The Epstein Files: What Ghislaine Maxwell’s Transcripts Reveal and Why They’re Silencing Thomas Massie

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Kim Sleep I'm sorry, hello, and welcome to Investigator with podcast.
I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On

(00:34):
tonight's episode, we're taking a closer look at something most
of the media completely ignored. That is the recently released
Ghislaine Maxwell transcripts.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
They didn't exactly.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Make headlines, but they should have, and we'll talk about
what actually was said, what was redacted, and whether it
really answers the questions surrounding Epstein's network. Meanwhile, there's growing
tension inside the Republican Party. Some in leadership are now
talking about removing Representative Thomas Massey, not because of us,
but because he's pushing for a full public release of
the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
So why would anyone want to stop that.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's all connected the silence, the resistance, and the linkering
questions of who's really being protected. That's all on tonight's show. Guys, Welcome.
It is October the twenty first, although I think you're
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second when released in at twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3 (06:13):
We're actually getting a lot of videos over there to
go viral on Instagram. It's kind of weird because Instagram
used to censor and silence us to the UMP degree
of course, until Trump came in and Facebook is I
think they're doing a little better as far as not
censoring in silencing people. I still say that actually X
is the platform that silences us the most. We have

(06:34):
the least reach on X of any platform on the
Internet period, And yet X is supposed to be the
platform for freedom of speech. But it's like Elon Musk said,
it's not freedom of reach, it's freedom of speech.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, which means a big difference.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, He's like, we can, we can limit your reach.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
You know, if you have ten fifty one hundred thousand followers,
but only one hundred or two hundred of those people
see your post, then you don't really technically have freedom
of speech. So you know, there's We've always kind of
supported Elon taken over X, especially from Jack Dorsey and
the guys and people that used to own Twitter, which
heavily coordinated everything they did with our government, especially the

(07:12):
FBI and the Biden and Harris DOJ.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
But you know, Elon does own it.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I wish that that he did have better algorithms for
reach on X, but I don't even think it's necessarily us.
There are some accounts on there, and especially the accounts
that are paid influencers. I literally see these people on
a regular basis, just making sure that whatever narrative is
needs to be told, are the people that are really
getting their post scene. So whether it is the one

(07:39):
hundred percent pro Trump post so from people like cat
Turd and mister Patriot and all these others, or if
it's the one hundred percent pro Israel post, but you
also kind of have I mean, you will definitely see
the anti Israel post over there as well, so there
is somewhat of a balance there. But it just is
kind of interesting how you kind of see this almost
mass propaganda of influencers every time anything happens that it

(08:02):
will be flooded in your timeline and you'll just constantly
see people that are trying to discredit whatever someone maybe
say that someone's saying that, you know, they don't believe
the official narrative of the Charlie Kirk assassination. Guess what
you're gonna see, Well, you're gonna see your timeline flooded
with people saying that anyone that questions that theory or
that kind of angle on the Charlie kirkssassination are crazy,

(08:24):
they're lunatics or psycho all of that same thing. By
the way, that's going on right now with Thomas Massey,
and we're going to talk about Thomas Massey on this
podcast episode because Thomas Massey is very important in the
Epstein files. Cover up, and I say cover up because
it is one hundred percent still a cover up.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Donald Trump came into office with Cash Mattel and Pam
Bondi and basically everybody he could possibly assemble, you know,
in all of the highest of law enforcement agencies, and
yet we still have no Epstein files. We have been
told for months and months and months we're going to
get these files. And then Trump started to say that, hey,
these files are a hoax. There's nothing about this is

(09:07):
that is real. This is all some kind of Democrat
hopes hoax. You know, everything that you thought you thought
or thought you knew is just complete lie and it
was all just, you know, like another Russia collusion. But
I think we're all smart enough to know that it's
complete bs. Epstein was a sex trafficker. He was a
sex trafficker that we believe he trafficked these young girls

(09:31):
to the world's elites, and not just the world's elites,
but the world's most powerful politicians, the world's most powerful
bank banking or banking owners. We're even talking about royalty,
We're talking about everybody you could possibly imagine. And so
then you've got to ask yourself, well, why is it
that just recently according to many politicians and even people

(09:54):
on the right that say, look, you know, we have
the votes on the Democrat side to release the files,
but yet literally it sounds like most everybody on the
right is going to vote on party lines to say no,
do not release these files. Now, there are also theories
that why our government has actually shut down is a
lot bigger than just the things that the Republicans and
Democrats are fighting over. Thomas Massey actually recently has been

(10:17):
pushing for the release and for a vote on the
Epstein files to be officially released, which would then basically
compel the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the Trump
administration to have to release the files based on a
Congression or Senate vote. And so what it sounds like
right now is that the Democrats are on board for

(10:38):
allegedly voting for the release of the files, and the
Democrats are on board with not vote with not releasing
the files except for a few. So then you got
to ask yourself, well, why is that that just doesn't
make sense?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Trump obviously had come out and said, look, you know,
Saul hoax. But then he also said, you know, when
he was around the table and all the media was
in there with Pambonni Cash be on everybody else, he's
you know, look or Pam Bondi came out and said,
what we found is just nothing but child porn is
nothing else.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
There is no list, there is none of this.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
But if you go back, actually, and I want to
just quote Pam Bondy with a video and this is
her herself saying this. And this was when people are like,
oh yeah, we're about to see the truth. And literally
the ex post and this was on February twenty first
of twenty twenty five. The Maga Voice, which I believe
Maga Voice is yet another paid influencer account on X

(11:32):
said holy shit, it's happening. Attorney General Pam Bondy said
that this is about to happen. And listen what Pam
Bondi said on Fox News. She went on there she
hyped everybody up. She said, Hey, here's what's about to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Listen, Jay maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, that really happen.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
I'm reviewing that.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
I'm reviewing JFKA files, MLK files. That's all in the
process of being reviewed because that was done at the
Director of the President from all of these agencies.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
So there you go. And that was what Pambonni said
back in February. And of course we have yet to
receive anything on any of this. Now, I guess I
should start with the Gaslaine Maxwell transcripts for.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Those that do not know anything about this.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now, the Gazlaine Maxwell transcripts, and this is kind of
a we're going to kind of go through a breakdown
of what happened and who was there and so on
and so forth. So the clear breakdown is this is
about the DOJ interview where they shared this the transcripts
with Gaslaine Maxwell July twenty fourth through twenty fifth of
twenty twenty five, and the interview team was the Department

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of Justice, and the FBI. It was conducted at the
US State Department of Justice. The dates were as I
just said, the twenty fourth through twenty fifth of July
twenty twenty five. Now, the government articipants were Todd Blanche
the Deputy Attorney General. He was the eat interviewer. He
was the one as right under Pam Bondi. You also
had Diego Pastana, he is the acting Associate Deputy Attorney General.

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You also had Spencer Horne, Assistant Special Agent in charge
FBI New York. You also had a Mark Beard, a
Deputy US Marshall. And then for Gaslayin Maxwell, her defense
counsel was David Marcus defense attorney, Leah Sophion defense attorney,
and Melissa Madre Gaul defense attorney as well, and of
course Gaslayine Maxwell, which is who primarily they were or.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Asking the questions too.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Now, most of the names that we know that were
mentioned are of course Jeffrey Epstein. He was central to
the discussion financial ties. They talked about alleged recruiting recruitment
of young women and his social network. Les Wexner, identified
as Maxwell's by Maxwell's Epstein's closest friend during the nineteen
nineties to two thousands. Elon Musk Maxwell met him at

(13:56):
Sergey Brin's birthday event, and Caribbean claims no deeper link
with Epstein. So Elon Musk was mentioned, but she says
no big deal there, nothing happened. Sergey brand Google co founder,
host of the event where Maxwell met Elon Musk, and
then he also had Andrew and Chris Cuomo mentioned socially
via Carrie Kennedy. Maxwell denies any Epstein connections. You also

(14:19):
have John Carrey, Ted Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Maxwell
mentions knowing members of the Kennedy family, says she took
a nineteen nineties trip with RFK Junior and Epstein to
hunt dinosaur bones, but denies seeing any misconduct. You also
have Cheryl Mills, former White House lawyer in the Clinton era.
Maxwell met her through President Bill Clinton in the early

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two thousands and then also mentioned as Bill Clinton mentioned
as a correction point to Cheryl Mills and the philanthropic events.
No explicit wrongdoing described in these transcripts as well. Then
you also had Donald Trump, which is I think the
entire reason for this meeting.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
This is the entire reason.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That Donald Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi sent the
Deputy Attorney General to even interview Gislaine Maxwell. Is because
Donald Trump, especially because everybody was starting to say and
especially after Elon Musk came out and said, oh, Donald Trump,
just wait till your name comes out in the Epstein files.
That's why you don't want to release the files. Remember

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when they were having their fight. Well, it wasn't long
after this, Trump and Pam Bondi and all these got
together and said, hey, we got to send someone to
interview Ghislaine Maxwell so it can kind of clear our name.
So she mentioned briefly her interaction with Trump in the
nineteen nineties, and she mentioned it as acquaintances in New York.
Maxwell says that she may have met Donald Trump during

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her work with her father's New York Daily News operations
and then mar Alago. The mar A Lago SPA staff
discussed in relation to allegations that Maxwell recruited a woman
working there for Epstein. Maxwell denies he remember and or
recruiting anyone from mar A Lago. So, and by the way, guys,
I'm just bear with me here because we're trying to
go through there, like two or three hundred pages of transcripts,

(16:03):
and just so you know, out of those two or
three hundred pages, twenty percent of those pages were redacted.
And it seems like the redactions, which we'll get into
in just a moment, were probably the redactions of either
victims or very important names that they wanted to keep
quiet or private. And so Donald Trump referenced all the

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references of the Donald Trump thing.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The first meeting.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
In nineteen ninety, Maxwell stated that she may have met
Donald Trump while working in New York on the European
and New York Daily News under her father, Robert Maxwell.
This was years before she met Epstein, and the quote
was he was having some advertising issues with the New
York Daily News and in fact I met I may
have met Donald Trump at that time, she said. And
then number two mar A Lago allegations. DJ questioned her

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about recruiting a masseuse from mar A Lago, where Trump's
resort is located. Maxwell said she did not recall ever
recruiting anyone from mar O Lago to work for Epstein,
but conceded it was not possible that she had once
met Smat. It was not possible that she had once
met SPA staff, and the quote says, I've never recruited
a messuse from mar A Lago for that, as far

(17:10):
as I remember, I can't even recollect doing that. She
also later clarified that she had no memory of receiving
any treatment at mar A Lago or directly recruiting anyone
from there. There was no personal connection beyond that. She said,
there's no indication in these transcripts that Maxwell had a
direct her continue her relationship with Donald Trump beyond that
brief early nineteen nineties contact. Nor does she imply any

(17:32):
Epstein Trump collaboration or social cover up.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Now, this is just what the transcripts.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Say, right, this is obviously what the Deputy Attorney General
was talking to Epstein about, I mean Epstein, but Gazaine
Maxwell about.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
And so then why was there pictures taken with Trump
and both Epstein and Gasilin.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Well, I mean, because I think what this entire meeting
was about was to vindicate Trump.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think this that's literally what this meeting was about.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, but everyone is seeing pictures of them together, and
I know it was not in the nineteen nineties. It
had to be after that because she just said in
this transcript that she didn't even know Epstein at the
time when she had dealings with Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
But we do know for a fact that you know,
all these old pictures of Epstein and Gasline Maxwell at
mar A Lago are very old, likely you know, dating
back to the nineties, and there are potentially other photos
as well. Now listen, this is not a podcast to
try to incriminate Trump or try to say that Trump
had any direct connections or did any type of criminal

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activities with with minors.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But we're just we're laying all of this out.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
So, but I think it's important for people to know
and if the truth is that Trump had dealings with them,
then get it out there and release the files.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I mean, there are so many prestigious people and people
in government and people of a huge stature that just
get your name out there and say, look, yes, I
was on the jetar wasn't on the jet, or had
these dealings or I didn't. But just get it out there.
Because nobody believes the BS that is a hoax.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, and so the tone of these interviews, by the way,
the sessions read more like a controlled profer or fact
finding meeting than a hostile interrogation. This was definitely not
a fact finding interrogation. You know, Todd Blanche a deputy
AG and FBI a sax Spencer Horn mostly let Maxwell
talk and they were clarifying timelines, finances, relationships, pinning down

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whether she had ever been formally approached before, and getting
her version of events on record under limited immunity. And
so they didn't really press real hard on contradiction or
contradictions or missing details, probably because the purpose was to
record what she'd volunteer, not to corner her right. So
there's no new criminal bombshells in this. The money trail

(19:52):
section is murky but not explosive. I mean, she acknowledges
millions moving through accounts in her name, but claims that
they were Epstein controlled entsites or joint so they were
talking about real estate flips, vehicles, etc. The agents don't
challenge her with documentation and a transcript. They could mean
that they were simply preserving her statement for later comparison,
maybe but likely not. Even the high profile names you'll

(20:14):
gossip not evidence.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean they run through Clinton.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Musk, Cuomo's, Kennedy's Kerrie and even RFK junior and even
mention ends with I knew them socially. I never saw
anything inappropriate. She kept wanting to make that very clear.
But there was also a lot of leading questions here,
right Blanche, in my opinion on this entire interview led
Gisline Maxwell into exactly what she was supposed to say.

(20:38):
And you also have to understand Maxwell also had three
attorneys there as well, so the attorneys were coaching her.
And I also kind of believe that the Deputy Attorney
General was leading her into the the answers that they
wanted from her. So, you know, all the high profile
names didn't really amount to anything. Epstein's finances and intelligence rumors.
They touch on her father's allegen in Tel connections, bear Stearns,

(21:01):
Wexner's wealth, and Epstein's ring. Again, it's background, not confession.
She gives long narratives, but nothing verifiable or new. And
we're talking about, you know, with her father, which was
heavily tied to Masad and Israel and all of that,
which is why a lot of people thought that this
entire operation potentially was tied to Israel because of her father.

(21:22):
The government granted her a profer in twenty twenty five,
so just they were kind of re examining this. But
I think more so what they were trying to do
was clear names. I think they were trying to specifically
clear President Trump's name. And she repeatedly stressed that she
had been ignored for decades, which could imply that DOJ
wanted to document that oversight. Maybe maybe you could say

(21:43):
that she hemps Epstein told others to lie to her
and never loved me, confirming how manipulative he was. According
to her. She mentions in the nineteen nineties trip with
RFK Junior hunting dinosaur bones, which is a very odd
detail that she shows in this kind of like how
the elite social circles kind of roll like a let's
just go hunt dinosaur bones with Epstein and RFK Junior

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and whoever.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
There's really no mention of the.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Mysterious Epstein death except for when they ask her about, Hey,
how possible it is it that you think that he
killed himself. They didn't really go into too much detail,
did that in a minute. So this whole thing kind
of feels incomplete. I mean, they should have pushed harder,
but the ages didn't confront her with flight logs or
names of accusers, or explicit sex crime questions. Beyond generalities,

(22:29):
the transcript kind of entirely reads like a circle back
to what they wanted her to answer to anyway. So,
and then there's a lot of stuff that's redacted. Like
I said, twenty percent of these files are redacted. How
much of these documents are adacted? So across July twenty
fourth and twenty five transcripts, about fifteen to twenty percent
of the texts blacked out. There were victim specific sections, names, ages,

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and locations of alleged cruits or massuses. All of those
lines are replaced by dooj redactions in every ends. The
dialogue right before a blackout is either Max or Blanche
saying something like she worked at mar A Lago or
the allegation is that you met blank. And then so
the financial transfer tables a few pages in the second
day's interview where Blanche refers to specific wire amounts and

(23:15):
account numbers, those figures and bank names are fully blocked
and redacted. In my opinion, if you're going to have
a massive sex trafficking ring like Epstein did, and especially
if it's for blackmail, and especially if there is intelligence
that is linked to this. You have to have, in
my opinion, bank cooperation. You have to have the high

(23:36):
elites in the banks that are cooperating to run wires
through that ignore all the FDI SE stuff, everything that
is that is put in place to protect wire fraud,
to protect you know, criminal organizations from using wires. I mean,
I've done a lot of wires because of old businesses
I used to be in, and I understand how strict
that they are with wires, and you know how much

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they kind of you have to go through to make
make sure that you're even credible enough to wire certain
amounts of money. And so when where we're talking about
multi millions of dollars of wires, there had to have
been a bank that was possibly help inter coordinating with
this entire ring. And to be honest, from what we
have heard so far, there are some of the big
elites that are the tops of these banks that are

(24:21):
also likely on these lists.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
On that would make total sense as far as blackmailing
people with money. But what about the video cameras in
every single room and sometimes more than one video per room.
What happened to all the video that happened to all that.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that because it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And this is why I go into the transcripts, because
we're going to talk about Massy in just a second,
but the transcripts. In my opinion, this entire interview was
to try to dispel any conspiracy theory that has been
out there for so long, just like if you remember
how Trump said, this is all hoax, there's nothing to
see here, It's all a Democrat hoax, another Russia collusion.
I honestly think this whole thing was to dispel anything

(25:04):
to where they could keep the people that were really
on the list in anonymous. Yea, it is safe and
in a nominee. And so here's some of the blackouts
to contact Blanche raises a location mar Lago, Palm Beach,
New Mexico Ranch and the island, and so several lines vanished,
likely where they discuss individuals tied to that site. We're
talking about higher up names, the elitist, the globalists, that.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
People that are really on this list.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Every time it mentions mar Lago, Palm Beach, New Mexico Ranch,
the island, there are heavily redacted areas in that to
where they start to mention names, and we're talking about
names that were on or at these places, and I
think it mentions it in more than one place. Blanche
also introduces a financial question when five million was wired

(25:49):
and so one to three full lines were redacted. There
probably the banks or the people they were wired to,
That's likely where this redaction came from. The team begins
a rapid fire nameless musk Cuomo Kennedy. Each name after
that sequence though, which is the names we already talked about,
but each name after that sequence is heavily redacted. We're

(26:11):
talking about multiple, multiple, multiple lines of names that she
was naming off that they completely redacted. So obviously the
Department of Justice and the government are heavily covering up
whoever else she's naming there. Who are these people and
why are they so powerful that even the Trump administration
will redact those names? If I mean, if we're for

(26:31):
transparency here, if if Cash Mattel and the entire Trump
administration ran on truth and transparency, we're going to release
everything on day one.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Is what cash Hotel said.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
And also, you know, instead of Cash Mattel being here
deputy director of the FBI, or you had this other guy,
which was the Southern District of New York FBI, I guess,
or not Southern District, but the FBI from New York's
special senior agent. He's the guy that came along, not
Cash Mattel. I mean, if Cash Mattel is so adamant,
passionate about how much he wanted this stuff to be released,

(27:02):
why would they not send Cash Metel, especially since he
was on podcasts for two years previously talking about how
important this was to him. Would would would if I
was Cash Hotel and I was the director of the FBI,
I would be like, Hey, I want to go. I'm
going because I want to ask my questions.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
But I think he didn't go because he didn't want
to find out the answers, because he knew he was
not going to be able to be transparent about it,
and that's why he sent somebody else.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
But I also think it was already set up to
where this whole interview was going to They knew exactly
how it was going to take place.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
They probably were not going to be transparent, and they
weren't going to tell the truth about anything, because originally
they said they were just going to redact the victims'
names and let forward all the names of anybody that
went to the to the island.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean, you know, Pam Bondi and
all these people they kept saying, well, we got to
protect the victims, guys.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
This was the original. So right after.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Pambondiing and all of them were trying to hype up everybody,
say we got the names, we got the list, we
got all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's on my desk. We got truckloads of evidence. You know.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
The very first thing Pam Bonni started to do to
back away from all this, this is the first thing
she started to say, well, we have to protect the victims, guys.
I mean, you really just want us to expose the victims.
And everybody is like, you don't have to release the
victims' names, we just want the conspirators, right.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
But and you also have to remember the victims' names
have already been released because a lot of them have
already come forward. We already know their.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Names absolutely, yeah. And a lot of the victims wanted
to come forward, and there has been some victims that
have now been I think killed.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I mean we're talking about even Virginia Giuffridi, she.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Was one of the ones that was not going to
remain quiet after this, and especially you know, she was
killed months ago. But you know, supposedly this this bus
accident that she got into, that even all the witnesses
said it was a minor fender bender.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Nothing happened to her here.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But then she shows up in a hospital with bruises
all over, and she's just completely battered and bruised, and
they try to play this off that these injuries were
from a major car accident with a busy reach that.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, and then they changed it, does she had this
disease going on and that that was what was killing her.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
But the reason why they changed it was because that
because there were so many witnesses that started coming out
and saying, no, that's not what happened. It was a
minor fender benner, including the bus driver, right, And then
they even got their police reports out and said, look,
this is what happened. It was nothing. And so then,
like Sherry said, they had to change it to like,
now she has some kind of blood disease. It looked

(29:26):
like she had been beaten pretty profusely, is what it
really looked like. And then not only that, not long
after that she dies.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, but we did dig into those files. There was
allegations that her husband could have been beating her and
that could be a possibility of why she had these
bruises all of her body and black eyes.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, but that's what they wanted you also to believe.
Because here's the thing. It was right after this is
when the Trump administration and all of this stuff started
really coming down the pipe. They started saying it's all
a lie, as a hoax, is this and that? And
I think that Virginia, and Virginia knew a lot she
wanted to speak out. She had already said in passed
interviews in a past post that Hey, I know everything

(30:05):
there is to know. I know there's a list, I
know all this stuff, and I want this to be
I want this to come to like it's not my place,
but I want the government to do what they're supposed
to do. And I trust that this government is going
to do this. And unfortunately it doesn't seem like this
government has done this.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
So the entire.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Conversation, obviously from the redactions, was really starting to head
into this more sensitive or I guess you can say
recognizable territory, right, So they had to start redacting things
that you know that they really wanted to protect for
whatever reason. And so you know, maybe you could say
it's ongoing investigations, victim privacy, grand jury, or financial record secrecy,

(30:44):
possible names of unchanged individuals who are still alive and
politically prominent. That's the most likely scenario here. But you know,
these files were huge. And so here's the thing too.
They also talk about the Epstein death and there's a
specific section where Gaslen Maxwell is asked directly about Jeffrey

(31:06):
Epstein's death, and it goes Todd Blanche said, did you
ever think that there was something that could have, you know,
caused him to be killed on the inside, And Gazilien
Maxwell responds by saying, quote, I think that's I don't
see that.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is it possible?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
A question of course it's possible, but I don't know
if any reason why.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
And I don't believe in the blackmail or any of this.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I don't think Epstein had a hit on on like
that it is indeed murder. I believe it was an
internal situation. She quotes Todd Blanche says, so you don't
have any reason or even speculation to think he was
killed to silence him or to keep him from going
public about people he knew. Islaen Maxwell says, I don't know,
because I think that's just part of a story that's

(31:50):
been created since two thousand and eight and two thousand
and nine.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
It's all conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Todd Blanche says, the idea that he was murdered to
keep him quiet, do you have any reason to believe
that's true, He's ling. Maxwell says, quote, I do not
have any reason to believe that, And I also think
it's ludicrous because if that's what they wanted, they would
have had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in jail.
If anyone wanted him dead because of Blackmoor, seekerts, he

(32:16):
would have been a very easy target long before.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
That's what she says. Now, I don't believe that because.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
The reality of this is is that I think a
lot of the people that really probably wanted him dead
after he was in custody, thought they had full control
that that he would never be arrested in the beginning.
So they were like, look, he's not going to be
arrested as long as he just keeps his damn mouse
shut and keeps doing what we want him to do,
then we're fine. But somehow, in some way he got arrested.

(32:42):
He was then put in prison, and then someone said,
oh shit, he's going to have a court case. We
have to kill him.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
And you got to remember where she lives now. She
lives behind bars in the same vicinity where he was,
where he was killed, or where he was murdered. She
just said that she believed that he was murdered, but
he could have had there could have been people that
were murdering him before at the time he went to jail.
But I guess what my point is is that you

(33:09):
got to remember where she is right now.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, well, I mean for sure, but also it's just
the whole The bigger concept of this is that it
sounds like that she's trying to already talk about this
narrative very similar to what Trump said. It's all big hoax.
It's all that Maxwell is saying the exact same thing. Now,
although I can promise you all the victims that have
come forward is definitely not saying this as a hoax,
and they're definitely not saying any of this. We know

(33:33):
that are ties to the black mal thing. We know
that for sure, we know that every single room in
this house was set up with cameras.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
We know that for sure.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
But yet she's also asked about this, and we're going
to get into that in just a second. But Maxwell
rejects both theories, right, which is the Epstein was murdered
to silence him and that there was a broader blackmail
network targeting powerful men. She does a lot of the
possibility that he was killed inside, though she frames it
vaguely as an internal situation, implying maybe a prison related

(34:02):
cause rather than an external hit. And she had even
talked about in the interview as well. She said, well,
if you know anything about prison, you know you can
be killed over twenty five dollars a commissary. So it's like,
you know, the fact that Epstein was in prison and
got killed, I mean, that shouldn't be that surprising. But
what people fell to remember is that he was in

(34:22):
solitary confinement. He was in a padded cell on suicide watch,
and he was literally let out of his cell one
hour a day, and he was under intense watch, and
especially someone as high profile as he was, that was
connected to all the political figures that he was and
all the elites in the world, and that he had
probably one of the most major trials coming up in
the history of trials when it comes to sex trafficking,

(34:43):
and you're telling me that he's just randomly getting killed
by people over twenty five dollars, Commissary, this was the
first point when I was thinking in the Gislaine Maxwell
response and answer to like how prison works, that I
knew that it was complete bullshit, right, I just knew it,
you know, Gislaine Maxwell. For anybody that that has followed this,
I mean, yes, she did go to trial. There were

(35:03):
four witnesses that came forward. They basically skaped gooded her
into putting her in prisons.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Every found very careful when they were on trial, and
they made sure they did not bring up any of
the assailants, just the victims.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, there was no names. There was no suspects. They
didn't mention any list, They didn't mention any of the people.
It was all about the victims and it was all
John Doe or this person or this person. They never
mentioned names. They were protecting the people that were literally
raping young children in the in even the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
So and it likely would have been the same case
with Epstein. But the reality is is that Epstein probably

(35:38):
would have felt like, if he would have made it
to trial, that hey, you know what, I was kind
of sculpted and brought into this whole hierarchy of the
elites for the blackmail purposes and the intelligence. So I'm
going to have to say something because I'm not going
to spend the rest of my life behind bars. And
that's what they were likely worried about, which is why
they would have wanted him dead.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Well, And that's kind of like p Diddy in his
whole trial, Like he went to trial, they spent two weeks,
three weeks on trial, and came forth with all this
evidence and he had like eight months.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, and now it's about to be commuted, by the
way by Trump. So and that's what we're hearing by
the way inside of the White House. A close White
House official now says that as early as this week,
Trump could commute the sentence and did he could be
out of jail, which is pretty damn shameful. And I'll
tell you why is because there are victims in this
case that are still still fearful of PDAs.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yes they are, and it's just crazy when you think
about the two different men, they both were kind of
doing the same thing, and a lot of people say
they were being groomed b by the CIA or some
kind of special agency to blackmail others.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, and there's a lot of this blackmail stuff that
goes on. I mean, a lot of people believe that
rap music in general was actually created by the CIA.
I mean a lot of people believe that to basically
disrupt and corrupt the black community back in the seventies
and eighties and especially the eighties. But so this kind
of the testimony so far, it kind of shows that

(37:04):
it was one of the few unguarded parts of the transcript,
especially when she talks about the you know, Epstein death.
I mean, it shows the DOJ testing conspiracy narratives about
Epstein's death, but she quickly downplays them. I think that
this was literally just their way to dispel any conspiracy
theories by saying, look is Lane Maxwell, the madame that

(37:24):
was by Jeffrey Epstein's side for so many years, completely
dispels the conspiracy narrative, and especially when she claims no
knowledge of any silence and motive yet fully endorses she
doesn't fully endorse suicide either. She doesn't say I think
he killed himself, but her comments are very cautious, like
they were lawyer advised, like they confirmed that even she

(37:45):
thought the official story didn't entirely add up, but she
couldn't say what she wanted to say.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
It sounds like to me that she was trying to
portray a story that she was in love with Jeffrey
Epstein and they were partners, they were lovers, and there
was nothing else going on, and if there was something
going on, she had no clue. Yeah, this is what
she's trying to portray.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Well so, and even reading these transcripts as a whole,
it feels much more like a guided narrative exercise than
a probing interrogation or something. They really wanted to find
out facts, right that. They didn't really bring Ghislaine Maxwell
here to find out more facts. They didn't get the
FBI special Agent in New York and the Deputy AG

(38:26):
and the deputy under the Deputy Ag. They didn't get
all these people here to actually find out real facts
about anything. They wanted to control and complete a narrative,
and so the style of the conversation wasn't investigative. Ton
Blanche rarely challenged her answers at all. He asked long,
open ended questions that often contained the framing for her response.

(38:47):
So let me give you an example. Here's example patterns.
He would say often in throughout these two hundred pages
of transcripts, would it be fair to say dot dot dot?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Question mark? Right, So he's already given her.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
The answer what he wants her to say, Or so
you never saw anything inappropriate? Correct, question mark. That's a
leading question. And in court, in the court of law,
you can't say stuff like that. It's called leading, leading
the witness. There's a reason why you can't do that
because it literally shows the jury or it doesn't even know.
The jury's not smart enough necessarily know that that's what

(39:22):
the lawyer's doing. And so the court has a responsibility
to say that, hey, you cannot lead the witness into
this question and into her answer or his answer, because
then the jury may not understand that that's what you
just did, and neither may the witness understand that's what
you did. And there's other things where he says, so

(39:42):
just to be clear, you didn't know about that until later. Correct.
So there's all of these very leading questions. Each one
gives her a safe lane to confirm rather than to confront, right,
So just confirm it.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
I'm not confronting you. Just confirm what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Right, And so when she makes sweeping denials like I
never saw any man behave improperly, he moves on. Instead
of pressing for contradictions with testimony or victims or logs
or any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
He's like, Okay, cool, awesome, let's move on.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
So it's like got her answer, good to go, and
then the guided towards like the expulsory content. So instead
of testing her claims, Blanche often helps her explain them.
So when she says Epstein paid her millions, he doesn't
demand documentation. He volunteers a plausible reason. So some of
that might have been for business ventures, right, I mean
you know, right, his name say it. Go ahead, say

(40:31):
say that's exactly what it is supposed to be. When
she calls her father's Intelligence Ties informal, he simply knowes, oh, yeah,
that makes sense. That's literally what he said to the
Intelligence Ties aspect on mar Lago. He reminds her that
the allegation was and lets her deny it or what
the allegation was and then lets her deny it and
then thanks her for clarifying. So he reminds her, hey,

(40:53):
here's the alligation. Oh thank you for clarifying. So it
reads very similarly to like he's insuring her statements fit
this record, not promoting a other like another narrative or
an investigative cause. And so this is kind of framing
around immunity. The session begins with Blanche and emphasizing her
profit protection and saying we're just talking. That sets a

(41:15):
cooperative tone. She's not under threat and there's no promise
in action. A setup typical when prosecutors mainly want to
record a version of a story, not a conversation. And
what I believe they wanted to do here was they
just wanted to get answers that would vindicate some people,
you know, whether it be the people like rfk Elon Cuomos, whoever.
But in specific I think Trump because kind of after

(41:38):
these transcripts released, there was these regular these usual suspects,
I guess I should say, of the of the right
wing influencers that came out and they posted everywhere.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Trump is vindicated.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
He had zero to do with Jeffrey Epstein he barely
even knew Jeffrey Epstein, he never even met Gislien Maxwell.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I've been seeing this over the past three weeks.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Well, I think it's our backfiring because it is not
in mainstream news. Nobody's talking about the interview. I remember
when the Deputy ag Ag went out to interview her,
and I was like, Oh, I wonder what's going to happen,
and why is he interviewing and why isn't it not
cash Betel. But let's see what comes out of this.

(42:20):
But we've not even heard anything about it. It's nowhere
to be found. And to me, that tells me it's
already backfiring.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Absolutely, I agree. And you know, even with the Epstein
death segment like that that exchanges especially revealing Blanche feeds.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Her kind of both theories.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I mean, you know, he quotes killed on the inside
quote to silence him and then steps back once she
rejects them. So there's no follow ups about the camera's guards, timeline,
none of that. And it feels scrypted. I mean, it
kind of feels like the doj acknowledges the public suspicion,
gives her a chance to distance herself from it, and
then just wants to move on, just to kind of say, hey,

(42:55):
this is what the public's saying. Go ahead and say
what you're supposed to say, and then let's move on. Right,
This was the That's where we wanted, you know, so
you know, you can think about it. Is it politically
sensitive too many famous names. Lawyers may have insisted on
a light touch, do not talk.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
About these names. We cannot do that.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Not just lawyers, but the DOJ themselves, you know, this
information gathering.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
They may have just been wanted to get information on
what she wanted.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I think that's not the case, because you have to
understand there are two hundred and something pages of transcripts
and if you guys don't think that. The DJ and
the FBI and her attorneys all set down and talked
with her before this meeting ever even happened, and also
probably right before the meeting happened. They said, here's the deal.
This is what's not going to be said, and this

(43:38):
is what is going to be said. If this is said,
then you're you're done. If this isn't said, then we
could potentially pardon you or give you some type of
something special, you know, special treatment. And listen, we have
heard recently that Trump is considering a pardon, a full
pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Well, and if you think about the first day of
these disfinitions going on, you got to think the whole
day was redacted. That was probably when they were going
through this is, you know, the legalities of all this,
This is what's going to happen, this is what you're
to say, this is what we're going to say. We're
going to tell you this, and you know, I guess
kind of grooming her.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, of course, I mean, that's exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
They're just making sure that everything is on the up
and up of what they want and what.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
They're going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
The transcripts also go into her explicit denial of the
Epstein client list and the broader blackmail network theory that
fueled the public speculation. And so here is what it
says directly from the July twenty fourth day, So on
the so called client list, Gislaene Maxwell, that list was created.
The massuses that were on that list, I have never
heard of some of them, not even from the civil

(44:46):
suits that came up since I've seen it. Alfredo Rodriguez.
So there's a metamorphosis of the list. The original statement
is that it's pieces of paper that Alfredo has. It
then morphs into a book that Alfredo took for Epstein's computer.
Then it morphed into my civil case, and then it
morphed into a southern district of New York as a
combination of list of mine and Epstein's. Todd Blanche says,

(45:08):
so in your mind there is a list, It's just manufactured, correct.
Gizlaine Maxwell says, I haven't seen it all. This story
is basically controlled by five people. There's four alleged victims,
and the lawyers are now and now the prosecutors. None
of these stories carry from any of the forty four
alleged original victims. They never ever say that they were
framed or sorry farmed out to anybody.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
There is no list.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And so then on the blackmail and surveillance, David Marcus says,
did you ever see him blackmail a client or a
friend or acquaintance?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Gislinge. Maxwell says never.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Todd Blanche says, there are a lot of allegations about
him and the fact that he abused young women, but
as it relates to blackmail, was there any sexual contact
that would have allowed him to blackmail them.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Say, I've got this video of you.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Gislaine Maxwell says, if you don't have a video or photograph,
you can't blackmail you.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Said.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I built those houses, I decorated them, I put the
electricians in for hiring. I never wired nor saw a
single house that had any type of inappropriate video surveillance. Sorry,
I mean it's hilarious because we know for a fact,
one hundred percent that his residences were wired to the

(46:21):
teeth with every single camera imaginable, including even into the bathrooms.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Yeah, and we also know that she participated in some
of these sexual acts.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
With him, Yes for sure, and then only that.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
You know, what also is kind of sounds somewhat familiar
is P Diddy's case, right, P Diddy? We know that
his houses were completely wired and also surveiled with video
cameras in almost every room as well.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Sounds very similar, right, So that was her thing? Right?

Speaker 3 (46:48):
So she caused the client list a complete fabrication, saying
it mutated from Alfredo Rodriguez's old notes into a myth
about through lawsuits and media. She insists no hidden cameras,
no black mal material, no powerful men being a compromise
ever existed. And then she claims that the narrative was
driven by five people, a few alleged victims. They're lawyers
and prosecutors, rather than dozens of victims that have already

(47:09):
been named publicly. So she's just basically saying, these are
all lawyers making all this up. This is nothing to this.
And so Maxwell's tone here matches her responses about Epstein's death.
She's defensive but polished, framing the declient list and black
Man ring as media interventions born after two thousand and eight,
and this is all complete conspiracy and nonsense. So that
is essentially what the transcripts say, and it's very troubling

(47:32):
because when you read through these and you kind of
get to the way these questions were being led and
the responses, it sounds very coached, and it sounds like
they went there on a mission to make sure that, hey,
we want to vindicate not only President Trump some other names,
but we just want to kind of vindicate everything. We
want this whole thing to go away. We want to

(47:52):
protect every single elitist that was a part of this
sex trafficking ring. We want to protect them. And there's
reasons why they want to protect them well.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
And also if she wants to be vindicated too and
pardoned by President Trump, she certainly doesn't want to come
in and say she knows this stuff or she even
role played in this stuff either. No, because why as
a president would he ever pardon her knowing that she
actually helped commit these crimes but were also a part

(48:23):
of these crimes.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
With all that being said, you know, there was an
Epstein survivor that alleged Trump was one of Epstein's top boasts.
And so I want to play this quick clip. Like
I said, we're not accusing Trump. This is just one
of the Epstein victims or survivors. I guess she can say.
And this is what she had to say. When she
went to Capitol Hill where she spoke out.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Epstein surrounded himself. I'm sorry with the most powerful leaders
of our country and the world. He abused not only me,
but countless others, and everyone seemed to look away. The
truth is Epstein had a free pass. He bragged about
his powerful friends, including our current president Donald Trump. It
was his biggest brag actually, And while what I endured

(49:05):
will haunt me forever, I live every day with PTSD.
I live as a mother trying to raise my child
while distrusting a world that has betrayed me. This kind
of trauma never leaves you. It breaks families apart. It
shapes the way we see everyone around us. But one
thing is certain. Unless we learn from this.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
History, monsters like Epstein will rise again.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
There are files, government files that hold the truth about Epstein.
Who he knew, who owed him, who protected him, and
why he was allowed to operate for so long without consequence.
Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable when so
many others played a role. Why does the government hide
this information from the public. This secrecy is not protection,

(49:50):
it's complicity. And as long as the truth is buried,
just as remain out of reach. That is why this
bill matters. Passing it will bless you, endure, ensure that
the suffering of survivors is not in vain. Passing it
will bring accountability, transparency, and prevention. It will help protect
the next generation of predators who seek to place themselves

(50:11):
above the law through wealth.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Influence, and connections.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
This is not just my story. It is about every
survivor who carries invisible scars. It's about the way we
live with daily It is about the famili's broken and
the future stolen. So I ask you, President Trump and
members of Congress, why do we continue to cover up
sexual abuse and assault? Who are we covering for? Let

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the public know the truth. We cannot heal without justice.
We cannot protect the future if we refuse to confront
the past.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Thank you, all Right, there you go. And that was
one of the victims.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
And you know she said that, you know, in this statement,
she said Trump was one of his biggest boasts. It
was it was something that he always bragged about, was
his connection to Trump and so on. Now, I'm not
saying that this could not be politicized in some way,
even with the victims. I'm not even saying that could
not be the case, because we know how evil the

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politics are. I mean, we know that if Democrats have anything,
they're going to use it, and if Republicans have anything,
they're going to use it. And one thing that I
do question about this entire narrative is that if the
Democrats had all of the evidence on Trump, if Trump
was so heavily involved in this the entire time, they
would have for certain used this before the twenty twenty

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four election, right, I mean but that also leads me
to the point where I don't even think the Democrats
had the files.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I don't think the Democrats nor the Republicans necessarily have
the files. I think there is this faction or group
of probably intelligence assets that have these files, and these
are the people that are controlling the narrative, and they
have to still have these files to be able to
control them.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
So when you look at like maybe political figures right
now that are being controlled, that are being kind of
steered in certain directions, you may ask yourself why and
how is this possible. We may be because that they
still are the ones that have the files, the people that.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Are really in control black Melt.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, there absolutely still being black mounted. This is a
huge intelligence operation.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
So I was just reading the other day Prince Andrew
has been stripped of his title and it is because
of the Epstein files that have not been released.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Well yes, I mean, and there's been many of them
that have or not many of them. I mean, there's
been a couple. But the reality is we just do
not know the gauntlet of people that were involved in this,
and so, you know, not long ago, Thomas Massey, a
couple of weeks ago, said the government is shut down,
but the House refuses to go back in session. Why
are we in recess because the days we go back

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into session, I have two hundred and eighteen votes for
the discharge petition to force a vote on releasing the
Epstein files. And he tags Speaker Johnson doesn't want that
to be the news. And so I also want to
play this quick clip as well. Ian from X if
you go look up when I wind stir is his

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actual act. He says, while we were all distracted, Thomas
Massey dropped an Epstein bomb thirteen very specific individuals. So
listen to this clip. I'm going to play it. Go
follow Ian and check his ex account out. Listen.

Speaker 9 (53:21):
She didn't see this.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
So while everybody's been distracted, our boy, Thomas Massey, quite
possibly the only patriot left in Congress, he kind of
sort of revealed an Epstein list without most people knowing it.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Check this out, you replied.

Speaker 11 (53:36):
According to the transcript, there is no credible information that
he trafficked them to anyone else. According to victims who
cooperated with the FBI and that investigation, these documents in
FBI Possession your possession detail at least twenty men, including
mister Jess Staley, CEO of Barclay's Bank, who Jeffrey Epstein

(53:59):
traffickedctoms too. That list also includes at least nineteen other individuals,
one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, one
royal prince, one high profile individual in the music industry,
one very prominent banker, one high profile government official, one
high profile former politician, one owner of a car company

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in Italy, one rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires,
including a billionaire from Canada.

Speaker 10 (54:27):
So listen, I'm not here to blame anybody or you know,
name anybody specific, but like, based on those stipulations, one
might be able to narrow down that list pretty well.
But anyway, let's see what our speaker has to say
about this.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Mister speaker, good morning, Thank you. You said last week
that you would swear in Adoli to Roholva whenever she wants.

Speaker 9 (54:49):
She's written a letter to your office.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
You've not sworn her in.

Speaker 7 (54:52):
I understand about pro forma sessions.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Yes, does it your resistance to not swear her in
at fuel of the fire that this is about.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
The FDA though?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
No, let's talk.

Speaker 12 (55:01):
About let's talk about let's talk about Rohalva and Epstein. Okay,
once more for everybody, everybody in Congress, I think is
for maximum transparency of the Epstein files that is underway
right now.

Speaker 9 (55:15):
Maximum transparency.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
Yeah, you guys have definitely been all about maximum transparency
with the Epstein files for sure.

Speaker 12 (55:21):
Let me point out, but go before we go forward further,
all of the files were in the possession of the
Biden Harris Department of Justice for four years.

Speaker 10 (55:29):
Okay, And what does that mean. It means that all
of you are in on it. Cool, Like this whole
placing blame on the other party thing, It doesn't work anymore.

Speaker 9 (55:39):
That doesn't work with us anymore. But please continue.

Speaker 12 (55:42):
Every single thing that we're talking about right now was
in their sole possession.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
They could have released it, they could have done anything, Rocanna.
All the Democrats who are jumping.

Speaker 12 (55:50):
Up and down making noise about this didn't say a
peep about it for four years.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
I don't know why. But this is another partisan manufactured thing.
Is it a serious problem yet, I've sat with the victims.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
Is it a serious problem? Yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
I'd say that not knowing who the most prolific pedophile
and human trafficker in modern history, not knowing who he
trafficked kids and underage girls and people to. And the
fact that we know for a fact that they are
high level politicians and elites and athletes and celebrities and

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bankers and politicians.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
Like the fact that we know all of that but
we don't know who it is.

Speaker 10 (56:31):
I'd say it's a pretty serious issue. But continue, please,
some of the ladies who bravely have come forward and
talked about the horrors that they sustain because of traffickers
on him. Wait wait, wait, did you guys catch that?
Let me rewind that because of traffickers. Traffickers, traffickers. So

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he's admitting here that there was more than one. In
other words, he's talking about more traffickers than just him
and Gallan.

Speaker 9 (57:00):
Interesting. Okay, keep going involved.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
In that should have the full weight of justice descend
upon their head. And we're all for that. We want
every single person who had anything to do with that
to be exposed. But there's as many as.

Speaker 12 (57:11):
A thousand victims estimated, that's what the victims said.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
It maybe a thousand women who were who were made.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
To suffer these unspeakable harms because of this, many of
them were under age at the time. They have not
all chosen to come forward like some of these other
great women had.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Wait a minute, I thought there was this is all
hoax though, right, I mean, was the Epstein list and
just the Epstein the entire saga of Epstein's sex trafficking?
Wasn't that all a hoax? According to Trump, it was
all a hoax. It was all democratic hopes said. But
apparently not. I mean, and not only are there forty,
which is what Gislaine Maxwell said in the transcript.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Mind johns thousands.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So there you go.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
For obvious reasons. And we have to make sure that when.

Speaker 12 (57:55):
The files are released, their names are redacted so they
don't suffer further harm.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
We have a responsibility.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
By the way, they have zero problem redacting files at all.
I mean, that's one of the things that the government
is best at. I mean, they are best at redactions.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
So they're yeah, let's just underline all of these lines.
Let's underline the whole page.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Actually, yeah, like page one through ninety and there's ninety
four pages. Let's just react one through ninety.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
It will show like ten words.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, I mean, they're best at this and so, and
they're going back to the same talking points to say, well,
we got to look out for the victims.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Guys. This is all about the victims.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
It's not about the people that we want to hold,
you know, accountable. This is about the victims. We don't
want to expose the victims. Although so many victims are
coming out on their own behalf saying look, we want justice,
we want the government to release their freaking biles. Quit quit,
you know, bullshitting us. And of course they're just still
going back to the same points, wave.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
A want and just you know, open the flood at you.

Speaker 10 (58:58):
Sure you can again, but you guys don't want to,
but you absolutely can. And we're to the point now
where I think the American public deserves the magic wand
flick and just floodgates. Tell us who's in the files,
tell us who these people are, period, end of story.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
And they're all.

Speaker 12 (59:16):
Joined together in a bipartisan fashion, dating through and releasing
documents thirty four thousand documents so far and more on
the way.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
In fact, as I noted.

Speaker 10 (59:23):
A couple of days ago, I think it's hilarious thirty
four thousand documents yet before it was they're on my desk.

Speaker 9 (59:30):
We're going through them. There's a truckload.

Speaker 10 (59:32):
Then there's no files, there's no list, there's no documents.
It's just a Democrat hoax. YadA, YadA, YadA. And now
now there's thirty four thousand plus files that we're going
through to make sure that the victims' names aren't there
and they're redacted.

Speaker 12 (59:46):
Okay, the attorneys for the House Overtech Committee during the
shutdown are still doing work.

Speaker 7 (59:52):
They were in New York City coming through the Epstein
estate files.

Speaker 12 (59:56):
By the way, that was never even mentioned or anticipated
in the discharge petition.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
For those of you your following all the details of this,
so the.

Speaker 12 (01:00:02):
More is coming out, We're for all of it coming
out as soon as possible. The only thing we want to.

Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
Make sure of is that I'm sure you are just
like those binders.

Speaker 12 (01:00:11):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
This is going to be phase two. We already had
phase one with the binders, and now comes phase two.
But you know what, let's just let's just get down
to the bottom of this. Let's just talk about the
main reason why these files are not coming out. Let's
talk about the main reason why we're never going to
find out who these people were because it was a
massive blackmail operation, and it was a blackmail operation perpetrated

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on the world, on the world's elites and powerful individuals,
specifically by intelligence agencies, one of which was absolutely that
country that we can't talk about on any social media
platform because of course it's just defending them and it's
just protecting them, and there's too much anti Semitism going on. Yeah, anyway,

(01:00:55):
here's an Israeli intelligence officer Ari ben Manashi literally talking
about how this is a reality.

Speaker 13 (01:01:03):
I believe that the American government is sort of trapped
by the Israelise. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools
to trap them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
And what do you think of Dushevitz's denial.

Speaker 13 (01:01:19):
Hold on a second, I want to give you an example,
Bill Clinton, President Bill Clinton, ahoot Bach mett Arafat in
the nineties and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein.

(01:01:42):
They were being blackmailed by Epstein. Aehut Barack was also
a friend of Epstein, that the Prime Minister of Israel
at the time, but he was being blackmailed by Israeli
right wing as well, and they stopped, stopped, and the

(01:02:04):
agreement without a fault. They were about to reach an
agreement there for a two state solution, but that was
stopped because.

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Isn't it so interesting?

Speaker 10 (01:02:15):
Isn't it so interesting that this blackmail operation and the
releasing of these files, these Epstein files, just always seem
to coincidentally revolve around the times when there is being
a two state solution or a ceasefire or a peace deal.
Isn't it just a weird coincidence?

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
I thought so too.

Speaker 13 (01:02:31):
Anyway, watch A trapped a number of US presidents by
using Jeffrey Epstein, and it wasn't only about sex. It
was also the money issue. Where was the money coming from?

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
So this just further confirms that we are in fact occupied,
that we are in fact that our government and our
leaders are in fact being blackmailed, and that this is
being held over their heads, and that is why, for
some reason, we continue to support their absolutely horrific acts.

Speaker 9 (01:03:06):
So yeah, while.

Speaker 10 (01:03:07):
Everything's going on, that's going on, and while you're being
distracted with everything else, just a friendly reminder that we
still don't have the Epstein files.

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
We still have no clue who.

Speaker 10 (01:03:18):
Epstein and Glane and other people trafficked underage women, kids
and other humans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Too, exactly right, Ian, good job on the video. Everybody
go follow Ian on X because he put together a
nice little video there, because we were going to put
together we had the same videos. But I figured we'd
just go ahead and play Ian and you guys can
go follow him. He does a lot of good investigative journalism,
and I do encourage you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
To follow him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I believe that he is one hundred percent correct right there.
We know that intelligence is involved with this, and we
absolutely likely know Masad is involved. We probably know CIA
is involved as well, because oftentimes both intelligence works together
other You know, a lot of people want to say,
oh my god, you're anti Israel, you're anti Semitic, or

(01:04:05):
your anti government if you call out something like right now,
for example, since this post from Thomas Massey, this is
when Trump really started to get getting heated. And I
don't even think necessarily in my opinion, you know, if
you think about like, how if there is intelligence holding
all this stuff over our politicians' heads, our politicians have

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no choice but to come out like they are. And
so when Thomas Massey says the government is shut down
because the House refuses to go back in session because
of we have two hundred and eighteen votes for a
discharge petition to force a vote on releasing Epstein files.
And Speaker Johnson doesn't want that to be the news.
And as you heard Speaker Johnson just now talk about that.

(01:04:47):
But then you also have Donald Trump and a lot
of this stuff Trump's been saying. Trump attacks the only
Republican congressman who wants the release of the Epstein files.
And so Trump recently just supposed this third rate Congressman,
Thomas mass a weak, empathetic rhino from the great Commonwealth
of Kentucky, a place I love and one big six times,
must be thrown out of office asap. The incredible people

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of Kentucky's fourth Congressional District gave us a mandate to
make America great again, and the person that will help
us do that is nav Seal Army ranger in fifth
generation Kentucky farmer, Captain ed Gal Gallerin, a true American
first patriot, even though likely this guy's not America first,
or he's about to not be America first if he
does get elected in because you cannot be America first

(01:05:33):
in our government anymore, he says. A brave combat veteran
Ed knows the wisdom and courage required to defend our country,
support our military veterans, and a sure peace through strength. Additionally,
as a very successful businessman, Ed knows how to create
great jobs, cut taxes and regulations, promote made in the USA,
support our amazing farmers and American agriculture.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Really, that's interesting Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Because, by the way, Trump is now also going to
source beef from Argentina. He's also now saying that he's
going to source eggs from Argentina because they really need
America's help. And he actually got pretty defensive when a
reporter asked him, like, what do you say to the
cattleman and the ranchers in America that are going to
really be hurt over this because the beef in America
has to be more expensive now because of everything that's

(01:06:15):
going on, and it has been going on for years.
Instead of helping American farmers, we're now going to help Argentina.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
We're going to import beef and eggs. That's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
But yet, you know, Trump wants to make sure that
he's talking about American agriculture here. He also talks about Unlesia,
American energy dominance, and champion our nation's Golden Age in Congress.
He will fight tirelessly to keep our now very secure
border secure. I hope Ed gets into the race against Massie,
who is now polling about nine percent, because of the
great people of Kentucky are wise to him. He only

(01:06:45):
votes against the Republican Party, making life very easy for
the radical left. Unlike lightweight Massie, a totally ineffective loser
who has felled us so badly, captain Ed Gallerin is
a winner who will not let you down should he
decides to challenge Massie. Captain Ed Gallerin has made complete
and total endorsement Run Ed Run Maga.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I was one of the posts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
And so you know and listen, I will be honest
with you Thomas Massey. If you are just a hardcore
conservative Republican, you may look at some of what Thomas
Massey says because he does call out Republicans also, now listen,
Thomas Massey calls out Democrats all the time, he has
for years, but he also calls out the bullshit in
Republican Party. And so if you look at someone like

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Thomas Massey, especially if you go on the social media
platforms and the narratives that are being created by likely
mostly the paid influencers, including people that we know personally.
I've been seeing people that are getting on board of
this train as well. Never been political, But.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Are they starting to go after a Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, because she's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Another one is like I want the Epstein files released,
and I want them released now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Well, they've been going after Marjorie because Marjorie is someone
like Thomas Massy. I don't I don't know who I
would trust more necessarily, you know, they're still politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
But I do think that for a large part, I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Think Marjorie Taylor Green has done her very best to
be transparent or to be just like you know, she
was a big supporter of Trump, and then there's a
lot of things that Trump has done or especially the
Epstein stuff and even Israel that Marjorie Taylor Green says,
this is not right, guys like I'm going to expose us.
I'm going to talk about it, and I'm going to
go on any platform I can to talk about it.

(01:08:28):
And so people have been criticizing Marjorie Taylor Green recently
because she had went on CNN, She's went on other
news platforms just talk about what, you know, what she's been.
She even went on a view I think, you know,
you just got to kind of know where to look
and who to trust. And and Thomas Massey is one
of those people. Obviously that seems like he's not financed
by APAK.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
He's definitely not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
But also in the other sense, when they started kind
of coming out against Thomas Massey, everyone has started to
create this conspiracy theory and I say this conspiracy theory
to say that he was funded by katar and some
of these other you know, Middle East. Well, then there
was a community note that came out because this was
like the MAGA group that started to come out and
say he's funded by Katara in the Middle East. Right,

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But the community note that came out that said, oh, well,
if you look at actually finances from Thomas Massey's campaign,
there is zero dollars that come from any Middle East
faction at all whatsoever. This is not proven on any
level at all. But yet MAGA and the right they're
doing this mass campaign to try to make you believe
that it is the anti Israel terrorist factions of Muslims.

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Is what they want you to believe is who's funding
Thomas Massey and why he's saying what he's saying, But
that is one hundred percent bullet and not true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
He is not being funded.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
By anyone in the Middle East that has any ties
to any anti Israel anything. He is literally just someone
in Congress that is calling out Bolt on both sides
as he sees it. And he is now trying to
force a vote to release the Epstein files, which he
has done and will happen once the government actually comes
back consession. And this is going to look really bad
on Republicans because Democrats are likely going to vote on

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that side and Republicans a vote on the other side,
at least from what we understand and know that we
don't one hundred percent understand how all that plays out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
But then also we have something else.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Ran Paul has kind of been going against this as well,
and he has been campaigning for the release of the
Epstein files, and him and Thomas Massey have been kind
of hanging out and talking and going on you know,
podcasts and so on. And Donald Trump also recently posted
three days ago, whatever happened to sentater Ran Paul? He
was never great, but he went really bad. I got
him elected twice in the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky, but

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he just never votes positively for Republican Party. He's a
nasty little guy, much like Congressman Thomas Massey aka Ran
Paul Junior, also of Kentucky, which I won three times
in a massive landslide. A sick wacka who refuses to
vote for our Great Republican Party MAGA or America first.
It's really weird, is what Trump says. So this again

(01:10:55):
is just trying to demonize someone that is calling out
the Republican Party, especially when it comes to Israel or
the Epstein files well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
And even Trump. And this is just to my opinion.
Trump has already been found guilty for thirty four felonies
against Stormy Daniels by trying to pay her off. They
found her guilty. I know the judges were corrupt whatever,
they found him guilty. Now he doesn't have to face
the punishment because he is president, but he was found guilty.

(01:11:24):
So if he paid off a girl because he had
an affair with her, you know, we all know that
Trump was a womanizer and is an aperneiser, and there
is many elites that are like that. When you have money,
money pays for you to get whatever you want or
do whatever you want, or do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, just for recordized, I think he just.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Wants his name completely out of the story. Why not say, okay, yeah,
I had, you know, relationships with Epstein, and we met
each other, we liked each other, and then I found
out what kind of guy he was. I want truth
and transparency, and I feel like people would be ready
to hear that then to hear lies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Well, I mean, I think the biggest problem is, like
I'm saying, I'm not saying that Trump is actually implicated
in having sex of minors, Like that's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Not at all what right, But having his name on
the list, well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
But even that, like what I'm essentially saying is that
how the Trump administration is responding and reacting to the
Epstein list makes it look guilty. Like regardless of what
I think, do I think that Trump went and had
underage girls? No, I don't think that. I don't think that.
I don't know, just like I don't know anybody else,
but I don't. I don't think that personally. But even

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if you know, even even in the reality that he didn't,
which is what I think, like your administration is doing
a horrible job to make you look innocent. I mean,
I'm talking about a really really bad job to make
you look like you have nothing to do with this.
If anything, the administration, how you guys have handled this
is making you look guilty and that is not good,

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especially if you're not guilty. And like, if this was
my administration, Pambondi, Cash, matel whoever else, and I was
Trump and I had nothing to do with any of this,
I would do anything. When there were news conferences and
I was sitting at this table, we're sitting there right now,
and there were reporters on the other side of the table,
and I was like, and someone asked me, Hey, what
do you think about Epstein files, I'd be like, Hey,

(01:13:18):
we need this shit released. By the way, Cash, Hotel
and Pambondi, when the hell is that happening. We have
to get this out now because number one, people are
trying to act like I'm on this list. Prove that,
release it, get it out, do your investigative work, show
the people that are actually on the list. We'll protect
the victims, obviously, but we're going to expose everybody that
is on this list. Don't matter who you are, politician, elite,

(01:13:41):
rock star, doesn't matter, athlete, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
We're going to expose everything.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
But I promise you I'm not on this list in
any way, shape or form that's going to implicate me
to do any wrongdoings. And if I was, and if
I was an acquaintance or a friend of Epstein for
a while, and say, look me and Epstein, we're friends
for a while until I figured.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
It out, it's just like that. They note that he
supposedly wrote that he said he didn't write yes to him.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah, and that was in the Washington Post that they
released that, which I think Trump said he's going to
sue the Washington Post. I don't know if he actually is,
but you know, either way, this whole thing is getting
a little weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Now. I do want to play this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
This is a clip from O'Keefe Media Group, and this
was his recent video. It's about a month ago, but
he actually talked with a speaker or sorry, with a
representative Massey talking about speaker Mike Johnson and then also
talking about James. O'Keeffe showed Massey a preview of OMG's
DOJ investigation that confirmed the pattern of obscation and that

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he had been seeing what was happening around the Epstein
Foule release, and he says Massey isn't back and down.
He says, the truth will come out, and when it does,
DC will have to choose between protecting the powerful or
standing with the survivors, because you have to choose one.
You cannot do both, because the survivors, especially once they
are starting to speak out, you're either going to have

(01:14:58):
to murder them all or you're going to have to
start getting some accountability for the people to actually these
people are traffic to these victims.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Yeah, and people are not going to let us go obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
So here's here's a great segment from the Thomas Massey
and James O'Keeffe interview.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Listen, we released a tape.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
We are about to release a tape as at the
time of this filming, it hasn't been released yet. And
I just want to get your reaction. This is a
guy named Joseph Schnitt, acting Deputy chief inside the DOJ
and I'm just going to play a clip here.

Speaker 9 (01:15:30):
Hilly doctor.

Speaker 11 (01:15:31):
Every Republican or conservative person in those files evolved the
liberal Democratic people in those foles.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
I mean they.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
Visited that Maxwell person.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeah, and also got transferred to a minimum security personal series,
which is against bop Posey because she's she's a publicted
sexment of the offer or something to keeping ourselves. That
was the acting.

Speaker 14 (01:15:57):
Okay, So that was someone high up in the DOJ
saying they're offering Ghlaine Maxwell's something to keep her mouth shut,
saying the Epstein files do exist, saying there's thousands of
files and they'll redact every Republican person. This guy is
pretty credible because he works in the Office of Enforcement Operations.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
He's kind of an intel guy in the DOJ, which, by.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
The way, whoever that guy is, you're fired. I hate
to tell you, but he's definitely going to be fired.
This is the guy that works in DJ right now
that is kind of exposed in what they offered Ghislaine
Maxwell for being quiet and shutting the hell up, which
is exactly what I told you. Guys are ready. And
by the way, I haven't even watched this video yet
because I like to watch and listen and then reacts

(01:16:40):
as we watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
But this is exactly what I said.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Like when they went and sent the deputy ag to
Ghislaine Maxwell and then transferred her to a minimum security prison,
then even brought her out, and now they're even talking
about potentially pardoning her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
This was all for a sweetheart deal.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
They said, Hey, I promise you this if you just
shut the hell up and do we tell you to
do and say what we tell you to say. And
this just looks even worse on the Trump administration. I
hate to say this, but damn Like if I was
an advisor around Trump, would I ever like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
I would have stomped that thing down before it became
a mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, and it's a huge mountain right now. But they're
trying to make you think about everything else. But that's
why we're talking about it now. So here's what Thomas Massey,
you know, Keef talk about with this.

Speaker 14 (01:17:26):
The Bureau of Prisons. What's your reaction to that? When
was that filmed roughly about a month ago?

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Yeah? Well, he is right, I think, I mean, why
would he be lying, first of all if he didn't
know he was being taped. But it's turned out he's
right because the DOJ has released some files that first
the Attorney Journal said there's nothing left but child porn
in their possession. When you know after she released a

(01:17:55):
Phase one binders Pam BONDI Well, since then and just
recently in the last week, the dj has released thousands
of pages, but what they've done is to heavily redact
all of those pages, so they're taking out the names
as it seems like he predicts there. And also yesterday

(01:18:15):
we heard from survivors who said basically the same thing
about Maxwell, that she was getting a light sentence and
that you couldn't trust anything that she says because of that.
I think she is getting a light sentence. It's almost
as suspect as is Jeffrey Epstein killing himself in his cell.

(01:18:38):
This is even more suspect because it's not a conspiracy theory.
We know it's happening, and you've got somebody there inside
of the DOJ who's admitting that it's highly unusual and unprecedented.
One of the criticisms.

Speaker 14 (01:18:51):
I was watching the reaction to what you did yesterday,
and a lot of the people say, we have our
own list. Some of the victims said that, right we
have a we're going to release it our So I
was one of the questions people had was why why
wouldn't they just release that right away?

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Or even at your press conference. Yeah, they addressed that
at the press conference. Somebody asked them and their first
answer is, why do we have to release the list?
Why won't the government release it?

Speaker 14 (01:19:13):
On principled They're saying the government should do it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
On principle, the government should do it because they're responsible
for enforcing the law. The victims aren't responsible for enforcing
the law. But the biggest reason they're not releasing the list,
and I think I have a solution to this that
came up with the press conference yesterday. But the biggest
reason they're not releasing it is they could be sued
into a homelessness for defamation. So let's say they accuse

(01:19:39):
somebody of something and then the government doesn't prosecute it
and they can't get all of this materials and discovery
and whatnot, so then they get the counter suits happen,
which has happened to these victims, and then they get
blamed and they get defamed and it's not worth their time.
They also get at and they get followed by cars,

(01:20:02):
you know, around their neighborhoods. They get intimidated. So when
they said they're going to compile their own list, they
said we're not going we don't have plans to release it.
My colleague Marjorie Taylor Green stepped up through the microphone
and reminded America that members of Congress have something in
the Constitution called speech or debate immunity that's been rarely used,

(01:20:24):
but it's always in force, which is to say, we
can't be sued for anything we say on the floor
of the House. So Marjorie Taylor Green came up with
the idea of if the victims have a list, we'll
go to the floor and read the list, and we can.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
I want to stop for a second, because what Thomas
Massey is saying here is one hundred and ten million
percent true. If the victims release a list in front
of Capitol Hill or wherever it is, and let's just
say that we know, which I believe, we do know
that this is an intelligence operation. Whether it's with Masad

(01:21:01):
or because of Masad, or also CI or both. Imagine
they do this and the powerful forces that are literally
controlling the presidents of the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Can you imagine what happens to these victims.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I mean, we're talking about lawsuits, we're talking about everything that,
like Thomas Massey says they will be homeless or killed.
I mean, as he said, we know that they will
be followed, they will be intimidated, they will I mean
when you think about like movies we have seen in Hollywood,
or like Jason Bourne movies or just crazy stuff, this
shit really happens in real life. And you know, a

(01:21:37):
lot of people have been saying, hey, Thomas Massey for
president twenty twenty eight. And it's kind of interesting because
Jack Dorsey unfortunately like literally retweeted or reposted on X
one of Thomas Massey's posts. And I'm sure Thomas Massey
is like, damn, I wish you would not have posted
reposted my shit because that doesn't really help me because
you're Jack Dorsey, literally the CEO of Twitter during the

(01:21:59):
time that you were cooperating with the FBI, which they
were coming down on Twitter. Then to say you're gonna
either do this or this, you know, so, but it's
it's it's interesting because and Thomas Massey is like, I'm
not necessarily I'm not going to run for president. I
don't I don't think that's what I want to do.
I just want truth and transparency here. But Thomas Massey,
if he went into the presidency as he is right now,

(01:22:23):
literally as what I believe, and I look, I do.
I do trust Thomas Massey more than I trust.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
A lot of politicies.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Any politician that goes against the grain and wants the
truth and is standing on their you know alone, you
know they're telling.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
The truth, well yeah, many times for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
And when they're going against partisan lines, they're going against
the official narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
But what I would say is, like, if you think.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Trump was about to be assassinated and Thomas Massey ran, dude, like,
I don't think anybody would be able to protect him
to run for president, especially someone that is just completely
going against We're not We're not Democrat Republican here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
We are pro American. We're pro people were true.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
American a grain of like three letter agencies around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yeah, we don't give a shit about the Israeli government,
Russia government, Ukraine government, China government. We care about America,
our constitution, our founding fathers. What they wrote in a conversation,
that's what we care about. We don't care about all
this other bullshit that people are funding and blackmailing and corrupting.
Our government is corrupted, Our government is compromised. Our government
is everything that you could possibly imagine. But yet the

(01:23:29):
only thing that we see is the silver lining in
the US government is freedom. But freedom is the try rating,
and that is the scary thing. Let's listen to some
more of what Thomas Massey.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
Says here be sued or prosecuted for it, and I
talked to Marjorie about that at a conference, and we've
got some ideas for doing that.

Speaker 14 (01:23:48):
Do you think that a lot of me to speak
from a moment about the dynamic here, because this is
a weird dynamic.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
You're not anti Trump, or I suppose I endorsed him
for press, so but is it.

Speaker 14 (01:24:00):
The Republicans fear Trump so much but they agree with
you privately.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
They just talked you. Yeah for a minute. Yeah, is
that it? That's it? That's it in a nutshell. I
don't think my colleagues are happy about covering up for pedophiles,
but that's what's happening, and it's so sick and twisted.
The reason they're doing it is because they're terrified of
President Trump's political machine, not just his legislative affairs. Folks

(01:24:29):
are reaching out from the White House to every Republican
member of Congress who might think about co sponsoring this.
They're getting calls from the political machine that Donald Trump runs.
We've got members of Congress who have aspirations of running
for statewide office and they can't run. They can't win
a statewide office in a Republican primary with Donald Trump

(01:24:52):
on the other side, so they're terrified of him. With
three big exceptions, three women have co sponsored this resiume
Marjorie Taylorgreen, Lauren Bobert, and Nancy Why aren't they terrified
of I think number one, because they're women. They feel
obligated to take up for the women who've been abused.

(01:25:14):
And number two, I think is harder for the president
to go after a woman who's taking up for women.
He's been able to intimidate the men into not taking
up for the survivors. There's something else going on here too,
which is the Speaker of the House is offering political
cover for everybody to be part of this ruse. Yesterday

(01:25:36):
we voted on a resolution that's meaningless, that does nothing,
but it supports basically what's already been happening in the
Oversight Committee. And he told all the Republicans in a
private meeting yesterday. This will give you political cover back
home when you don't support Massi's resolution, which is the

(01:25:57):
real one. By the way, I've got this placebo win.
Now he didn't call it a placebo, but I've got
this other one that you can vote for and you'll
have cover. So that is going on. Plus, you have
the Speaker of the House trying to use his bully
pulpit to convince members of Congress that there's something defective

(01:26:17):
about my legislation. Here's what's ironic about that. When the
Speaker created his fake version, he copied three pages directly
from my legislation that we wrote right here in this office.
So at the same time he's poo pooing the way
my legislation was drafted, he's copied it and taken the
teeth out of it. So that's that's giving a fig

(01:26:41):
leaf for the other members of Congress and a reason
they're saying, oh, it's a defective legislation. Here's he's also
gone as far as to say, oh, this could endanger
the survivors. But that's false because yesterday at my press conference,
every survivor was asked, do you support the Massy's legislation,

(01:27:01):
and they all raise their hand. Why would they support
my legislation if it's not good for them? They even
had their lawyers present, who's looked at our legislation? So
what's the next thing that needs to happen here? What
happens next? I need to get two hundred and eighteen
signatures I have right now. I have two hundred and fourteen.
I'll probably get two in the next week, and I

(01:27:25):
think I'll get two more in the next two weeks.
We'll get to two eighteen. At that point, there's seven
days legislative days that have to pass, and then on
the seventh day, Speaker Johnson has a two day window.
He can either bring it up then or he can
wait two days, but he's got to have a vote
on this. There's one trick he can do. He can

(01:27:46):
try to change the rules of the House. See I'm
using the rules as they are written, which says if
you can get two hundred and eighteen signatures on something,
you can bypass the Speaker. He could get the Rules
Committee to change the rules mid Congress, but if he
does that, he's got to get two hundred and eighteen
votes for that. Trickery that becomes the vote of record

(01:28:06):
of hiding the Epstein file. So he's kind of boxed
in here. Now. Another thing could happen is the Senate
could just refuse to pass this when it goes to
the Senate because to make this binding legislation, to make
it legally a law that the DOJ has to comply with,
it has to go through both chambers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
So the all right, We're going to stop there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
And I want to say this to kind of close
this episode, is that I hope that for everyone that's listening,
and I know that, like over eight years of the show,
that we have obviously primarily been conservative leaning on everything, right,
I mean, especially given the other side and because listen,

(01:28:50):
the other side is in a lot of ways there
are wackos and lunatics and whatever. I mean, that's what
I feel, at least the politicians that are supporting all
this crazy, uh stuff that you see going on in
society today.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
What do you mean communism and socialism.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Socialism, communism, just the you know, the castration of kids,
and you know, the the pushing the trans stuff on
our children and and all of this stuff. I mean,
just all of that crazy wacko stuff that that is
oftentimes the left, But that doesn't mean that the right
doesn't have their issues, because they do.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
And this is on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Yeah, And this isn't a political or or or.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
I mean, what I'm trying to say is that for
you guys that have followed us for a very long
time to where it's like, hey, you guys are conservatives,
you're Republicans, that's why you followed us, understand that we're
not trying to oust or call out conservatives or Republicans.
But what what our goal of this podcast has always
been is for truth and transparency.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Is is that if we.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Are more more conservative leaning or more right leaning, or
maybe we vote more right than left because of some
of our values and beliefs, Christian values in some ways whatever,
even though I don't even think that's the way you
can vote Republican or Democrat anymore, because that's not even
really a core foundational belief even for conservatives anymore. But

(01:30:14):
what I'm saying is is that have to start opening
your mind a little bit beyond party lines, and you
have to start looking more for truth. And that's something
that Sherry's had a hard time with, like with Israel,
even though it's not necessarily Republican or Democrat, it's just
that is a thing that Sheery's had to get passed
or or try to overcome, just based on biases. And
I've also had to overcome stuff based on biases, and

(01:30:37):
it has taken me. I've been on this journey, this
kind of long road of just trying to figure out
like what the truth really is, and it comes with
a cost.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
It comes with a cost because.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
There's gonna be people who listen to episodes like this
to where we call out the Republicans or conservatives, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
We do it because we have to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
We do it because, like it's not to say that
we know that like most people probably listen to this
episode or more servative Lane, they're more right Laning. We
know that, we know that you guys are mostly probably
more conservative. We know we have democrats and leftists also,
or more leftists or left of center.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
And we probably even have four left that listen to us.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
But what I'm saying is is that the only way
that civilization and humanity and people win in this world
anymore is to abandon the bullshit propaganda that is on
both sides. Both Democrat and Republican to abandon what the
media tells us, because it is media in all factions.
It's not just CNN and MSNBC, it's also Fox News

(01:31:35):
because when Fox News has propaganda or narratives to share
or to push, they will also do the same thing
to see an n in MSMBC. Do we're seeing I
think with Israel, we're seeing it with the Epstein files.
We're seeing it with so many of these things, even
with Fox News. So what I'm what we're trying to do.
What I'm trying to do is we're just trying to
be the most middle of the road we possibly can.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
We believe.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
I mean, there's definitely things that probably people that listen
to us that we will disagree with core foundational beliefs, right,
But those things that we may disagree with, which may
be which may have been very important eight or ten
years ago, they're still important, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
You know, just the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Things that typical Democrats or Republicans used to fight about,
you know, fifteen twenty years ago, things are far beyond
that now. Now we are literally fighting for truth, truth, transparency,
like reality. We're fighting for reality, We're fighting for freedom.
At this point, even on both sides, we're fighting for
anti censorship, anti totalitarianism, anti dictatorship, and a's on both sides.

(01:32:41):
And so it's always funny because the Republicans always wanted
to say the Democrats are going to become totalitarians and
dictators and we said that as well, and that Democrats
are saying the same thing. But where I think it's
all kind of leading is probably likely to the narrative
of what both sides are saying, which is likely a
totalitarian dictatorship state. I think the United States will get there.

(01:33:04):
I don't think we're going to be quote unquote free
as we think we are, and I don't even think
we're necessarily free now, don't get me wrong, but I
think that our vision of what we believe that we
are free today is going to be stark difference in
the next ten years. I think that we're going to
be closer to the Chinese surveillance system than we've ever been.

(01:33:26):
And I think that it doesn't matter who you vote for,
they're going to continue to use party lines to lead
us into slaughter. You know, It's like, no matter how
they get you there, no matter how they get you
into the salutes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
No matter how.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
They corral you up into those cages, they just got
to get you there, whether it is to divide you
and conquer or whatever it is. And I think, unfortunately
that both parties are corrupt, and I think both parties
are infiltrated now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
And I agree, And it is very hard for me
being a Republican. I think I am more Republican than
you are. I'm more leading right than you are. You're
more middle of the road. And me to come out
and say, look, you know, I don't agree with this
what's going on and what's happening, it's a very hard
thing to do to come out and say, listen, I

(01:34:18):
want the truth. You know, Trump, if you're there, just
freaking say it. Say you were on the flight log,
or say you met Epstein at this place or this
place or this place, and get it out on the table,
like it's better than being blackmailed.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Yeah, and if you're innocent, you're innocent, and call it
like it is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
But I think that we just don't. I think that
if you look at the whole situation, the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Only way that someone like Trump is going to be
controlled into narratives to where that you would literally say
that this whole thing is a hoax. You have to
imagine how big the scale of this thing actually is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Imagine that someone in an entire government came to him
and said, hey, Trump, listen, dude, this is a massive
intelligence operation, the Epstein thing. It's all tied to Israel,
Masad or Cia or whatever, and there's no way we
can come out with this. It's just not happening. So
I don't give a shit what you guys have to do.

(01:35:15):
You just got to do what you got to do
to make sure this never happens.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
And then he's doing it is making him look stupid.
Saying it's a hoax makes him look like a liar
and guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
And unfortunately, it's like it's kind of playing into Democrats' hands.
And by the way, I when when when people say,
and we've said this on the show, like when when
they say that, well, Democrats are all on board with
voting for this release. I think that Democrats are on
board with voting for this release. I think it's a
political move. It's not that they think this will ever
be released, because I think that they know this will

(01:35:48):
ever be released. But I think they're going to make
it look like they are on board with the release
because they know it will never be released again. Yeah,
and as Thomas Massey says, it still has to go
through Senate, which you'll never it probably will likely never
go through Senate. So they know that, like, look, let's
vote for this. Let's just pretend like we're on the
party lines of like, hey, let's vote for this. Thomas

(01:36:09):
Massey and others have already said like, you know, Democrats
are on board with this, Republicans are not. But then
there's others that said, look, you know, if like for example,
Speaker Mike Johnson said, look, if the Democrats really wanted
this out, where were they at the past four yearars, Well,
they weren't because it wasn't politically advantageous for them to
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
But now it is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
It would not advance where they were.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
No, but now it is because now Trump is looking
very guilty, and they're going to be like, hey, we'll
vote for it because they know that it's not going
to be released anyway, So they're going to look like
they're going to vote for it regardless because it's not
going to be released by the government and this thing
is likely going to be covered up forever, and listen,
I will be the first to apologize if somehow the

(01:36:54):
Trump administration comes out in full transparency and says, all right, guys,
here's all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
The view on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Here, here's the elites, here's the very rest of my name.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
And this is what I did, and this is what
I did not do. Like, this is transparency. This is
everything I had to do with Epstein. This is when
I went to the island or I didn't go to
the island, or whatever I did. Like, I am being transparent,
but I'm also going to show you everybody else on
the list. We're going to expose everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Yeah, And like I said, I'll be honest with you.
I don't think that Trump was involved on that level.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
No I know it either. But if you even think
about the JFK files or MK files or the alien
files for example, none of them have been transparent.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
No, it's all been redacted.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
And the thing is is this administration ran on releasing
all of this stuff, and then when they released it's
the same stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Yeah, and this wasn't back in the nineteen sixties like
a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
But when they released the new JFK files, it's all
the same. There are still so many files that have
yet to be released. They're all mostly redacted. It's all
a ruse. It's all complete hor shit. So let us
know what you think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
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Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
We've been playing it like every five minutes. Yeah, literally, Well, but.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
You know all the songs that we use on the
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Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Evil, all this stuff.

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And I think we did a pretty good job of
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I guess end this podcast with State of Dystopia by

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of Men and Wolves feature in Red revision until next time.

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Guys, we love you.

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Peace out, peace out.

Speaker 15 (01:39:54):
Guys winds across the congree, oh.

Speaker 16 (01:40:30):
Jellos, all my skins shape collars, and the dot man.
The wall doesn't keep us, say.

Speaker 7 (01:41:01):
The Booree.

Speaker 11 (01:41:22):
Song.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Wall guys on him. The gestas.

Speaker 16 (01:41:30):
Smell Burn named Thomason Gay. He bls in Abyan, stands
cooking every keep on dying in the land, go go married?

Speaker 7 (01:42:07):
Can't they ever in the state? A stool.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Side keep body.

Speaker 7 (01:43:18):
In the land wove and moves to read, live in
the state and snow meado

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