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Michael Carayannis and James Hooper join Braith & Gorden to discuss the breaking news of Des Hasler's contract clauses which may see him moved on at the end of the season. Where does David Fifita end up as the Titans forward goes down hurt after his reserve grade stint, the Brandon Smith saga continues as an immediate player swap may be on the cards and will the Roosters finally sign Daly Cherry-Evans.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to three sixty OPI League from every angle joining
me in the great good and talents. Let's bring the
Journal Australian James Hooper and Michael carry Ons and we
have breaking news in regards to Dez Hasler and you
broke the story meet, can you talk us through?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, massive news regarding des Hasler's future at the Gold
Coast Titans. He originally signed a three year deal. That's
what we all thought was a three year contract for
Dez to remain at the coach of the Titans until
at least the end of next season. But there's clauses
in his deal and one of those clauses includes a
top eight clause. So if he doesn't make the top
eight this year, the Titans are under no obligation to
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keep him at the club next year. And I think
we can all agree they are long odds to make
the top eighten. And then there's another element to it,
potentially that when they are mathematically no chance of playing
foot is footy Finals footy this year, they could split
ways immediately. So yeah, it's a fair bit to play
out there on the Gold Coast I reckon.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Secondly, the second thing won't happen. I think Desi will
finish the year, but that's that's a clause in the
club's favors.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
So he's got.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Seventeen more rounds to turn it around, and hopefully you
can do that.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, no one knew about the clause. Apparently needs ten
wins from the next seventeen. It will to probably make
the first. Yeah, will they pull the trigger on this
though the clause is there, and there's clauses in lots
of contracts these days.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But will they pull the trigger? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I think it's a bit premature to say they're brave,
but they're going to have the decision to make. We
didn't think it was going to be a decision because
he had that contract we all assume for next season.
But they will get an opportunity to make that call.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Only Dei has contracts in his favor right, So this
is that a bit unusual for Desert.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It is it is, but I think it's a sign
of where Dez was at the time when the Gold
Coast got him. And I think it's some shrewd management
from the Gold Coast Titus, because we've seen des Hasler
end up in the court room with his past two
clubs and it hasn't ended very well, but this is
a way to safeguard them and if they's had success
and he still might play finals footy as unlikely that
as that is, or he gets next year if not,
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or the decision the club has control, and that's not
something that's happened around Dez Hasle's future over the last
couple of clubs.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I liked as a coach, Mick. I think his track
record speaks for itself. I think he's had to deal
with some tough injuries in key positions this year. But
we've all been around long enough to know.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
How this radio goes. And if you try and read.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
The two leaves, it does appear as the Gold Coast
there are some rumblings there and they're probably gearing up
that they're going to make a tough decision.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Is it injuries or is it his performance as a coach.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I look at the injuries well, I look at the
injuries in key positions this year. Keanu kinn is a
young gun superstar. Right is one of the most lethal
attacking weapons. Kieran Forn has been there and done it
at all levels of the game. He's their number one
primary playmaker. Well, they've been missing both of them for
the majority of.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
They're performing nowhere near where they should. Yeah, to that point,
I understand, they've got major injuries and key positions, but
they've also got a damn good roster there that should
be doing a hell of a lot better than they are.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And to that point, breath, that's why I think that
the rumblings have been around for the last couple of
weeks now, and the losses mounting up and the magnitude
of the losses aren't helping. Now that this has been revealed,
that does have that clause. It does feel as though
that's the way it's headed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You said a few weeks ago you did think they
would be doing better than what they are.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I thought, you.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Know, signing someone like Desi has like he would have
an overhaul of your roster. You know, we sign another
front row, I think we're really lacking a half back.
But I thought we'd play that real gritty like I
played against Theirs. He was a gritty, no nonsense, resilient
type of player that you had to fight for everything.
And I thought that in the second year with the Titans,
we had a bit more optimism. Yeah, Kieren Forman hasn't played,
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Keanu Kinney has been injured, Tino has been unsuspended. But
I thought that we'd be in a higher position on
the field.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And to Gordy's point, they've leaked more than any other
Gold Coast team, So yeah, under a full time coach,
no coaches considered more points for the Gold Coast Titans.
And back to your point break around, you know, he
had two big question marks setting into when he took over.
Kenny Unlock David for feeder and what's the half situation
going to be like eighteen months later? Are we any
clear on either of those questions?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Just in comparison too, if you look at other teams,
and I look at a team like Seas who have
had a lot of injuries, and look, they've played really
well considering they've had those injuries. You know, like they've
got Wayne there obviously, but they've got nine out of
their top thirty that have been out. A lot of
those guys have been out from the majority of the year,
and he still has found a way for that team
to perform. You know. Yeah, they've had a tough couple
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of weeks and they're starting to slide a little bit
off the back of a heap of injuries. But if
you try and compare it to other sides, you know
it doesn't look good for des.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
No it's a results driven business and you knew when
you saw the headlines in the paper. I think it
was last weekend, mister twenty one percent or twenty two percent,
like he's winning strike rate in the duration of the
eight eight months that he's been there hasn't been great
for Desi. So I think the way that it's shaping
up and the way that people are talking around the game,
I think that the Titans are gearing up Break to
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make a toughness.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It seems that way.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
But is there an argument that Desi deserves more time
considering the injuries and where the club was that when
he took over.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's yeah, it's a tough call because they signed a
two time premiership winning coach and they haven't improved Break.
That's the concern out of everything around the injuries and
the like. Are they any better than when he took over?
I don't think they are. And as I go back
to my point around David Forfada, this has been ongoing
right the halves spot, what are their best hards. What
do they do with Jaden Campbell, what I do with
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Aj Brimson? How does that dynamic work? And we don't
have those solutions. So that's my concern for him is
they haven't made any progress since he took over.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
We'll say, Mick, it's unusual when Des gets to a
club that you don't see an immediate spike. When he
first took over at Manly, he built them into a
premiership winning roster. Then he goes to the Bulldogs, he
revolutionizes the side, Ben Barber wins the Dalian Medal and
they make the Grand Final that year. Okay, that ain't winner.
Then they make another Grand Final a couple of years later.
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Then he goes back to Manly and they finish up
in approving.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Very early doors.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
So I think that's why if on the Gold Coast,
I would be giving Des a little bit more time
because I do think he's got enough runs on the board.
But talking to people around the game over the last
few weeks, it does feel as though it is an issue.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As he's had a couple of messy exits. I think
that it ended up in court at both Mainly and
the Bulldogs.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's involved in both. So was this all about the
Titans protecting themselves in this club?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's a smart player from the Gold Coast Titans to
insert this clause and have control over des Hazla's future.
I think it's a massive win for the managements the club.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Really, I think you've got a safeguard to the club.
Kevin Walters might have had that same clause in his
contract diseas just you know, because he's not coaching the Broncos,
he'd be gone by now.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Well, it's it's smart.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
But also the Gold Coast have run into trouble with
clauses over the years.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
If you look at the day for.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Fee to deal that ultimately Tina gotten them into a
bit of a scenario was similar.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
So this is one example where they have got it right.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Just hook Adam as well.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The meaning to a question now is if they do
get rid of Dares, who comes in?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
What happens?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, Well that's that's well, that's the question. Because they've
gone for rookie coaches justin Holdbrook, Karth Brennan, They've gone
for experience coaches in Neil Henry and obviously John Cartwright
started there and then they've gone for a premiership winner
and Dez. None of them except for John Cartright, i've
had any success there. So what's the formula for the
Gold Coast Titans run backyard?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Then?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm just thinking there has to be the management has
to take some accountability right because a lot of them
have made those appointments, there's no doubt about it. But
I'll give credit by safeguarding them long term with this
decision with the clause inserted in the contract. But who
the best coach is? I'm not sure that they go
for a veteran. I don't know. It's very difficult, it's
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very crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Someone will step off the roundabout.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
We're so lucky in a game that if we're in
any other business, you've got to go searching for a CEO.
You've got to go searching for a coach. In this business.
As soon as you sack one, there'll be a heap
of people put their cvs.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, the best young coaches at the moment that aren't
coaching head coaching in the NL. You've got you know,
Ben Hornby, Willy Peters, Matt King, Dean Young, these sort
of guys that have had experience in and around the game.
Willy Peter is obviously in the Super League doing some
good things over there, so that's probably where I would go.
Josh Hannay, you're looking at the next coaching waded and
hopefully they can unlock something that everyone before them hasn't
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been able to do.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Jumping before Perth with a Kevy Wilder was a Sam Burgess.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You could, you could. I don't know how far down
the past.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
People out there. You just it's whether they're ready to
pull the.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Tri keV.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And that is the name that automatically would spring him
on for me because he's a Coinslander.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We know how much that statements.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So looks a bit trigger because he works here at
Fox League now and I love the job that he's
doing in commentary. But if they were to draw up
a hit list, I'm thinking that his name would be
right at the top of it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Before the contract news broke just hours ago, des has
held a snap press conference to address the speculation around
David for THEA take a look, I.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Bet yourself, believe in yourself as a coach, K thank
you as your community A long term ah yes.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Yeah, I enjoy coaching and why I'm enjoying catching.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I'm continued to catch. There's what's the latest? Love Dave?
How'd he go with a specialist?
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Yeah? I know, I had a airpointment this morning went
really well, we'll go in. It's a keyhole surgeon to mine.
Probably three to four weeks.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I hopefully lean towards three weeks. How are you?
Speaker 6 (10:01):
And you know?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
How are they?
Speaker 8 (10:03):
Just fine?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Though? Everything every time? Well, we want to get better shoes.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
This was before the great Michael Carryanas broke his story
on the Dali Telegraph website, so he looked in decent
spirits and he was still comfortable with his coaching role
and happy with Dave and the situation there.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
But I think he.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Is he being shopped around?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well it's I don't know about who's but I've heard it,
but everyone denying the fact that he has been shopped around.
But he's a free agent come November one, so there's
no doubt. I'd say that, at the very least shopping
him the club of the manager, I think he'd be
his agent and reaching out the clubs to gauge an interest,
to see if there is any feelers out there. Nity.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It was the people at the Titans today they said
fake news, Cease and desist. They actually pointed out that
he's under contract, so you can't shop him at this
point in time. They might even want to legal if
they find out they.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Are adamant that they want Dave remaining.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Do you believe the Gold Coast after what happened in
the last few days weeks he's been dropped. He wanted
to play left side, they said, no, play reserve grade.
Now he's going in for ankle. But you think the
Titans want to think they want to they wouldn't be
happy for him to go somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Well, if they let him go somewhere else, they're going
to have to chip in money anyway, right, so they're
a little bit damned if they do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Damn if they say they don't want him to go
somewhere else and he's manager shops him around, they don't
chip in as much money.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
If it does have a game, that's the game, and
there's nothing stopping people from pulling out the feelers right
to to get a sense of is there a market
for David for feeda, because you know, twelve months ago
there was a massive market for David Feeder, but Obviously
that starts windled a lot bit.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No one else is going to play him a mean door.
So let's try and work out here if he does leave,
what's he on now and what would another club pay you?
What's it going to cost the Titans, what's going to
cost another club? The Getty services? We got any idea
around that?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Well, he's on close to not He's on nine hundred
plus at the moment at the Gold Coast Titans right
given his form and the fact that he's got a
game for surgery tomorrow. A rival club the Titans would
have to chip in at least I'd think three hundred thousand.
You're not going to pay more than on current market value,
on current form, I couldn't see anybody paying more than that. But,
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like I said, Brath, talking to people at the Titans today,
they're adamant they want Dave to work for their club.
They've invested a hell of a lot in him. They
signed him on one of the richest deals in history
at the time, dating back a number of years. He's
really probably only had one breakout season for them, so
I think they feel like they need to put the
work in try and get a little bit of return
on investment.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I can't argue with hops. I think that's probably where
the money will land. Well, if you know what coaches
are like, they think they can fix everyone, right, So
there will be a market for David Feto at that price.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And they're probably who whatever coach comes in next would
also believe they could if it des He's not there,
they could get the best out of day.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, these are ferrari right, I've watched players like this before.
It's up a Dave. It's not the coach. He's got
all the ability in the world. He's got a ticket.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like what would if you had a direct conversation with David,
what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Weight fitness, that is that is the easiest thing. If
you went and picked up a player and he's an
old school footy player. So now they get a really
good athlete who can run and do all that jump,
lift weight, and they turned him into a footy player.
There's a natural footy player that they got to turn
into a better athlete. And what I mean by athlete
is getting through the minutes, playing long quality minutes and
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time and what the team does.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Gord, he has to be said everyone in the game
wants the Gold Coast Titans to succeed, but.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
They just can't get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They've had a number of fresh starts, new beginnings and opportunities,
and they just continue to see they seem to continue
to face.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
If I knew like they signed on the Mortal and Melmonnenger,
they've had you know, they've got an amazing board, they
got great owners. You know they had justin Horbrooks they went.
They've had really experienced coaches. They've had coaches that have
been successful at other clubs. They've tried young coaches that
are successful in the UK. They've got Desi, a Premiership
winning coach. Come where you think that what the club
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I thought was lacking was the resilience was a Desi
has lost stylar coach?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Is it pathways and development? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Because if you I'm just listening to you, I haven't
done any research into the Titans. But you get Desi
on board, you got a good board today. You're telling
me that the leadership is really good.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
To make a.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Response, is a Gold Coast boy paying ass is a
Gold Coast boy. Xavier Coach is a Gold Coast boy.
Why aren't those guys staying and playing on the Gold Coast,
so the pathways is probably something that they've got to
work on. But I really do believe that we need
a better spine, and as I say a spine, I
reckon we need a seven.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
The challenge for them is, Gordy that it's been eight
in seasons and I think they've only made the finals
on a couple of occasions. That's very barren in terms
of success. And with two new clubs coming in. We
know the Perth Bear going to be in in twenty
twenty seven and then you've got P and G coming
in in twenty twenty eight, the player pool and the
depth of talent is being heavily stretched further and further
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all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
So look, I think everyone wants to.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
See the Titans successful because it's been a rough road
for them and it would be awesome to see them
up there and competing with the best teams, but it's
a long road ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Why take after all that, as Unity coach is going
to come in really invest in the Gold Coast Titans
into the community, really invest into their development and their pathways,
and I think then that will lead to further success
or longevity down the path because that seems to be
where they've dropped the ball a little bit over their
time in our game. A bit of rivals, bitter rivals
are at war over Brandon Smith's immediate switch to South. Now,
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how did this escalate so fast over the last twenty
four hours?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Shots fired broath. This is as messy as you'll see.
It's hilarious. It's like rival mob bosses trying to negotiate,
trying to negotiate a cease fire, and the level distrust
is really off the axis. The roosters are adamant it
didn't come out of them. Souths are adamant it hasn't
come out of their camp either. There's claim and counterclaim.
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When you strip it all back.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Whose person?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
When you strip it all back? What it's really about
is money.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So Souths have offered the roosters about one hundred and
sixty thousand dollars to take Brandon Smith off their hands
effective immediately. The roosters are saying, no, they're not going
to do that. It's got to be two hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
This is like the roosters want two hundred. Seouts are
off from one sixty. We're talking forty green and this
petty little like kids they hate each other so much,
forty thousand dollars over a key player in our game
of the NFL, we can't get to an agreement.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Well, it just shows you the level of middle guys.
It says a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
About the level of distrust and hatred that existed between
these two clubs dating back to nineteen our and you're
talking about, you know, some of the most powerful and
influential figures in the game who are involved in this.
I feel a little bit for Brandon because it seems
like he might have been blindsided a little bit, certainly
out of the Bunnies. Today, it was being pushed that
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Brandon had been told by the Roosters that he was
going to be playing reserve grade for the rest of
the season.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
In New South Wales.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Cup Reports fiercely denied that and said, absolutely, it's not
the case.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I just want to get through them. I want to
get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Is it who started this?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Is it the.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Bunnies?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Who's who started this?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But the other thing is is that South isn't in
a mad rush because he can't play for another six weeks.
So every week that goes on, the Rusters are still
paying his salary. Out, so that figure that they need
to keep. Well, it's an interesting time with Mamoizilla's getting injured,
but he's out for six weeks, six to eight weeks,
six weeks. But it's still because you look at the
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dummy half stocks They got Saliver he Villi playing there
and you know he's been a good utility off the bench,
but he's not going to play long minutes out of
dummy half. So there's a definite gap there that they
need to.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Fillus needy us need him, and the Roosters apparently don't
want him. But it's that forty thousand dollars just us
won't pay.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
How good is it? How good is it?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Brendan Smith addressed the shock development on the by Around
podcast earlier today.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
Something has happened overnight and my manager rang me this
morning and sort of just told me everything I've read
so far doesn't seem like I'm very wanted. Robert ranged
me just before, but on the way here it was
a good conversation, like it was nice and he's like, mate,
we're just trying to save some money. But he also
he was pretty surprised about like how it's come about today.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's going to be hard to go into training.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
And I still got to do that. We're meant to
have the week off. I'm playing some reserve I'm training
with the reserve grade side this week. So it's not
going to happen overnight. No one's answering their phone at
the moment as well.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So I had the chicks last couple days, told you
that you can play reserve grade for the rest of
the year if you do come back as well.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
I think the time I managed that, but I was
just guess, I didn't know if there were real words
or empty words.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, Brandon Smith, they're looking understandably flat, you know, a
little bit emotional, disappointed. You could see that his menorism
is the way that he spoke, and are disappointed. Really
He said that Robbo was surprised. Why would Robo be surprised?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, I can't work Yeah, I can't work out why
Trent Robinson would be surprised, because there's no way that
Roosters are getting rid of Brandon Smith before June thirty
without Trent and Robinson getting the okay, because the rooster
still believe they can play finals footy this year, and
you know Brandon would help them with that. So yeah,
look you can you can see the disappointment even in
a sense of embarrassment, I guess a little bit for Brandon,
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and that was tough to watch and listen to. So
the messages there were a little bit mixed because of
the emotion. I'd suggest, could they just.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Be that next to Boss and he just made the decision.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's a big call, Gordy for you know, Trent Robinson
not to have like Nick Wields the power right, no
doubt about that. But I don't see him releasing someone
before June thirty without Trent Robinson's okay, like dom Young,
you know, Trent Robinson would have had to have been
across the Dom Young situation.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
The reserve grade scenario is interesting, and Brandon's confirmed there
that he was told that he would be training with
reserve grade this week. The last time the Roosters did this,
I think it was Matt Lodge, and that was a
player that they were clearly looking to immediately push out
the door and they wanted him having no further involvement
with their NRL squad. So it feels as though there's
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a few pieces of this puzzle still missing.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Braith, how it all shakes out.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Look, I think Brandon will be at South's well before
June thirty, and he obviously isn't going to play in
the Rooster's jersey again.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Just on the reserve grade side. I'm assuming the NRL
players have it some time off because of the bias,
so maybe they've just asked him to do some extra
training with the reserve grades side. But he'll be at
Souths before June thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
All right, now, Dom Young gone, Brandon Smith gone?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Are we free?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Some money up and some space to finalize DCE?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Of course, are as much as the Roosters are pushing
the party line that they want to upgrade emerging players,
very good established players like Nafu White, Hugo Savala, the
next wave of talent coming through. We've all seen how
this unfolds previously, and clearly I think they didn't have
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enough money to be able to sign daily straight out
for next year available Jared.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Ni Ki Manu, Joey Spali, That's that's a fair bit
of talent. May now, Brandon Smith, that's a lot of
money a winger on five hundred.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's with Reese Robson's the only one that they've really
parachuted in there.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Yeah, but don't forget they're still going to have to
pay money towards Dominic Young going and towards Brandon Smith going.
And if you look at their rostar, it's star started
with internationals and also state of players. It still is
like it's still a damn good list. So I think
at the moment they are clearing the decks.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Could there be more casualties at the roosters.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, I think there will be.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I heard today that sand And Smith, who we obviously
saw was man a match in that standout ANZAC Day performance.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I've heard that his agent is also.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I said last night when we're talking about DC, I
said they probably couldn't cop or have four first grade
half half backs and I said if DC does go there,
they'll lose a half and you're here and whispers that
he's been shocked.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Around, well, I've heard that, yeah, his agent.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Other clubs have certainly been made aware of it because
they raised it today. And look, he's a damn good
emerging young player. Obviously the ANZAC Day was his breakout performance,
but I'd be thinking if I'm another club. But again,
it all just adds into the fact that all roads
for daily Cherry Evans. So that's what the Roosters are doing.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
So they would make a big.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Pins a half.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Is that a good decision a thirty seven year old
half back next year by the time he gets to
the finals taking a twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Year old like the future of the trick because three
good guys.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You've got two guys now that I think the Rusters
have turned the corner like that, been playing some pretty
good footage.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, you know, I think DC.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And Walker would be great combination and they can win
the premiership right and the russ have made that call.
Savala to me has impressed me a lot. His maturity,
he's kicking game, he's defense and he could partner Walker
as soon as DC leaves and be a really good combination.
They've got Rodwell coming through. He won SG ball ground
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fin on the weekend. He got me of the match
Sat and Smith and I said it before end Zact
Day he hadn't stood up in the absence of Walker,
and then he come out and had his best performance
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
By a long way in that Endzact Day game.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But was that enough to secure his secure at the
Roosters And they probably must mustn't think so, So he'll
be the fall guy from this. Whether it's a good
decision or not, we'll find out in eight eight months,
twenty four months. Right, you've got to take risk in
this game, and they're willing to do that and get
a top line on one of the best halfbacks in
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the game and over the last ten or fifteen years
to win a camp.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Well, just on that.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What about some of the best judges said that'll knock
back the development of Sam Walker.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He'll just take him back. How's that going to knock
his development?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like he's got one of the best experienced halves that
he's also a Queenslander who can take him under his wing,
and he can watch DC and realize, how do you
get to this level? How do you get to Origin?
How do you win the Origin series?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
How do you win a premiership?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't buy into that. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think it seems like DC is a great leader
and he's I mean, he handles himself well on and
off the field. I just don't see how that's the case.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Alet other very good judges say breath that they think
DC's arrival will actually benefit the emergence not only of
like Sid has already established, but then the emergence of
players locks of all but particularly Toby Rodwell. You touched
on him moments ago. I think this is a big
part of why sand and Smith has now been mentioned
with rival clubs is because this young blake he got
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Man of the match in the SG Ball Grand Final.
There are huge raps on him. I think given time,
he will develop into an absolute standout NRL player and
DC can help him on his journey.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, I just don't see him like what what how
it could he.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Can't Sam Walk and look at the the rugby league
knowledge that Sam Walker has been surrounded by Obviously he
grew up in a rugby league household. Kober Krong's been
in and around the Ruses, he played alongside Luke Key.
Now he gets an opportunity to potentially play with daily
Cherry Evans. Very few number sevens would ever have that
ground in.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
DC said that he's not leaving for money or more money.
What's what's the go here with the with the roosters
and what do we think he's been offered and all
that sort of thing, because last night I think Crawle
said it was me a meal.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Is that the case?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, mainly on this show made that offer that. I
think it was seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars this season.
I think it's definitely going to be more than that.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Breath.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I think it will be around the million dollar mark.
I hadn't heard that it'll get to one point too,
But I'm not privy to the exact fine detail of
the negotiations. But definitely I think it's closer to the
million dollar mark than it is the other way.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Because it's for the year, you know, and they've moved
these players on. It's not going to hurt them too
much in the back pocket?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Is it for the one year?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
That's right, Yeah, it makes well, that's why it all
if you look at it objectively from an outside point
of view. As much as the roosters are trying to
hose it and deny it and throw off to a degree,
we can all see.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
We can all see what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, all right now, This Saturday, two thirty pm, Live
and exclusive on Fox Lead the Raiders take on the
Bulldogs in a sold out top of the table clash
no one saw coming.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
How come we all hated history?
Speaker 10 (27:02):
Lessons of school, But when history is written in a
game of footing, absolutely loved.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
If you had a great jump rock, that's balmurt Inger
and he's Rand paging picks.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
It's like nothing else matters, and the grand fucking was
up the way. I think back to nineteen ninety four,
to Big Male's farewell match, long before we made him
the thirteenth of mortals. Jesus, wait till they came, Melmaninger,
(27:36):
how are you gotta stop that?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Can you believe?
Speaker 10 (27:39):
Nineteen ninety four was the last one the Boards and
Raiders lay when placed first and second on the ladder,
and you know, over time there's never been much between them.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Head ahead, the Raiders are on thirty seven wins, the
Bulldogs thirty eighth, and when they come together for the
match of the this Super Saturday, it'll be the best
game of foot He sits, well, it's his last weekends,
but actually create.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
What have found that?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't you just love Rudney League? Yep, we love it.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Oh my goodness, three o'clock Super Saturday, prepare to celebrate
history in the making.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
It's the Raiders and the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's what they wanted to say right here on Fox
League one v. Two. No one saw this coming, and
I mean no one, the Raiders taking on the Bulldogs,
and the only place that you can see it is
right here on Fox League exclusively on Super Saturday.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And when I say no one.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Saw this coming, I saw Buzz give me up the
other night.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Where did you tip the Raiders to come this year?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Last stinker?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
It hurts.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, he threw me straight under the bus. Threw me
straight under the bus, Buzz, don't worry that be it
gets as a rock. I've definitely got that one wrong,
and I apologize a.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Life for me.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I don't think you're the lone Ranger. A couple other
people certainly did as well. But if you look at
what the Raider has been able to do this season,
it's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Broth.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Then they've got a bit of a moneyball system going
on with their roster, where yes, Joe Tarpenhay is an
established superstar international, Yes Josh Papal has played Origin and
played in national football. But aside from that, they've gone
and found a lot of players who are unwanted or
unloved at other clubs and they've brought them to the
Raiders and they've built the club around those senior established
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guys and then this emerging wave of youth coming through
and it's work for them.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's a credit to the club the way that they've done.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
They haven't second thoughts about Bradley. Tommy Starling has been
absolutely outstanding against the Titans. He come up with three
plays early before halftime, got them back in the plan
and they got young Paddy.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, Starling has been outstanding all season. Good going back
to Vegas and he was brilliant over there. They have
resigned Starling as well, so it's going to be a
balancing act for them next year. And Patty off the bench, yeah,
I know they've got extremely big wraps on him as well.
I think we'll see him really kick on in the
next couple of seasons.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
All right, Press, then out for Canna Breed. Did anyone
think they had a chance of beating that charge at
the Judiciary?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
You know what down there last night, Braith, when I
got there and I saw Cameron Sraldo, their chairman Adam Drewissi,
their CEO, Aaron Warburton, they went and got this hot
shot lawyer Paul McGirr, who we haven't seen down at
NRL headquarters in a judiciary case or I hadn't seen him.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
There previous week.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I don't think we have, and it was actually quite
a quite a fascinating case. I thought he mounted a
very strong argument. Then he gave tena little spray on
the way out without naming him as such, by saying
players need to be careful about taking dives. But I
think it was worth a risk given that he was
(30:57):
looking at three weeks anyway, it was only one more
he got it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I would have done the same.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You would have challenge that. Yeah, I was taking the
three weeks. That's carry I thought it was. I thought
it was a definition of lost his feet, put pressure
on the neck.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Done fair enough, all right? Could judge you right, Joe?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
What do you you?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Playing match ups?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Thanks to Ozzie Broadbing for this weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
We are the West Tigers and the Melbourne Storm Breaks
Stefano obviously walked out on the Tigers last year ago
and try and win a premiership with Melbourne's up against
one of the informed props into roll mate.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I want pumped to watch my Raiders go around breath
Kile Weeks up against Connor Tracy, the two informed number.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Ones you never leave that down with.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Sticky at all.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Maybe Sticky he loves it. He's just throwing it out there.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
We're going to get you to
Speaker 1 (32:00):
My
Welcome to three sixty OPI League from every angle joining
me in the great good and talents. Let's bring the
Journal Australian James Hooper and Michael carry Ons and we
have breaking news in regards to Dez Hasler and you
broke the story meet, can you talk us through?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, massive news regarding des Hasler's future at the Gold
Coast Titans. He originally signed a three year deal. That's
what we all thought was a three year contract for
Dez to remain at the coach of the Titans until
at least the end of next season. But there's clauses
in his deal and one of those clauses includes a
top eight clause. So if he doesn't make the top
eight this year, the Titans are under no obligation to
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keep him at the club next year. And I think
we can all agree they are long odds to make
the top eighten. And then there's another element to it,
potentially that when they are mathematically no chance of playing
foot is footy Finals footy this year, they could split
ways immediately. So yeah, it's a fair bit to play
out there on the Gold Coast I reckon.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Secondly, the second thing won't happen. I think Desi will
finish the year, but that's that's a clause in the
club's favors.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
So he's got.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Seventeen more rounds to turn it around, and hopefully you
can do that.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, no one knew about the clause. Apparently needs ten
wins from the next seventeen. It will to probably make
the first. Yeah, will they pull the trigger on this
though the clause is there, and there's clauses in lots
of contracts these days.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But will they pull the trigger? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I think it's a bit premature to say they're brave,
but they're going to have the decision to make. We
didn't think it was going to be a decision because
he had that contract we all assume for next season.
But they will get an opportunity to make that call.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Only Dei has contracts in his favor right, So this
is that a bit unusual for Desert.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It is it is, but I think it's a sign
of where Dez was at the time when the Gold
Coast got him. And I think it's some shrewd management
from the Gold Coast Titus, because we've seen des Hasler
end up in the court room with his past two
clubs and it hasn't ended very well, but this is
a way to safeguard them and if they's had success
and he still might play finals footy as unlikely that
as that is, or he gets next year if not,
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or the decision the club has control, and that's not
something that's happened around Dez Hasle's future over the last
couple of clubs.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I liked as a coach, Mick. I think his track
record speaks for itself. I think he's had to deal
with some tough injuries in key positions this year. But
we've all been around long enough to know.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
How this radio goes. And if you try and read.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
The two leaves, it does appear as the Gold Coast
there are some rumblings there and they're probably gearing up
that they're going to make a tough decision.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Is it injuries or is it his performance as a coach.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I look at the injuries well, I look at the
injuries in key positions this year. Keanu kinn is a
young gun superstar. Right is one of the most lethal
attacking weapons. Kieran Forn has been there and done it
at all levels of the game. He's their number one
primary playmaker. Well, they've been missing both of them for
the majority of.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
They're performing nowhere near where they should. Yeah, to that point,
I understand, they've got major injuries and key positions, but
they've also got a damn good roster there that should
be doing a hell of a lot better than they are.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And to that point, breath, that's why I think that
the rumblings have been around for the last couple of
weeks now, and the losses mounting up and the magnitude
of the losses aren't helping. Now that this has been revealed,
that does have that clause. It does feel as though
that's the way it's headed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You said a few weeks ago you did think they
would be doing better than what they are.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I thought, you.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Know, signing someone like Desi has like he would have
an overhaul of your roster. You know, we sign another
front row, I think we're really lacking a half back.
But I thought we'd play that real gritty like I
played against Theirs. He was a gritty, no nonsense, resilient
type of player that you had to fight for everything.
And I thought that in the second year with the Titans,
we had a bit more optimism. Yeah, Kieren Forman hasn't played,
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Keanu Kinney has been injured, Tino has been unsuspended. But
I thought that we'd be in a higher position on
the field.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And to Gordy's point, they've leaked more than any other
Gold Coast team, So yeah, under a full time coach,
no coaches considered more points for the Gold Coast Titans.
And back to your point break around, you know, he
had two big question marks setting into when he took over.
Kenny Unlock David for feeder and what's the half situation
going to be like eighteen months later? Are we any
clear on either of those questions?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Just in comparison too, if you look at other teams,
and I look at a team like Seas who have
had a lot of injuries, and look, they've played really
well considering they've had those injuries. You know, like they've
got Wayne there obviously, but they've got nine out of
their top thirty that have been out. A lot of
those guys have been out from the majority of the year,
and he still has found a way for that team
to perform. You know. Yeah, they've had a tough couple
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of weeks and they're starting to slide a little bit
off the back of a heap of injuries. But if
you try and compare it to other sides, you know
it doesn't look good for des.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
No it's a results driven business and you knew when
you saw the headlines in the paper. I think it
was last weekend, mister twenty one percent or twenty two percent,
like he's winning strike rate in the duration of the
eight eight months that he's been there hasn't been great
for Desi. So I think the way that it's shaping
up and the way that people are talking around the game,
I think that the Titans are gearing up Break to
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make a toughness.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It seems that way.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
But is there an argument that Desi deserves more time
considering the injuries and where the club was that when
he took over.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's yeah, it's a tough call because they signed a
two time premiership winning coach and they haven't improved Break.
That's the concern out of everything around the injuries and
the like. Are they any better than when he took over?
I don't think they are. And as I go back
to my point around David Forfada, this has been ongoing
right the halves spot, what are their best hards. What
do they do with Jaden Campbell, what I do with
(05:44):
Aj Brimson? How does that dynamic work? And we don't
have those solutions. So that's my concern for him is
they haven't made any progress since he took over.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
We'll say, Mick, it's unusual when Des gets to a
club that you don't see an immediate spike. When he
first took over at Manly, he built them into a
premiership winning roster. Then he goes to the Bulldogs, he
revolutionizes the side, Ben Barber wins the Dalian Medal and
they make the Grand Final that year. Okay, that ain't winner.
Then they make another Grand Final a couple of years later.
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Then he goes back to Manly and they finish up
in approving.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Very early doors.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
So I think that's why if on the Gold Coast,
I would be giving Des a little bit more time
because I do think he's got enough runs on the board.
But talking to people around the game over the last
few weeks, it does feel as though it is an issue.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As he's had a couple of messy exits. I think
that it ended up in court at both Mainly and
the Bulldogs.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's involved in both. So was this all about the
Titans protecting themselves in this club?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's a smart player from the Gold Coast Titans to
insert this clause and have control over des Hazla's future.
I think it's a massive win for the managements the club.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Really, I think you've got a safeguard to the club.
Kevin Walters might have had that same clause in his
contract diseas just you know, because he's not coaching the Broncos,
he'd be gone by now.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Well, it's it's smart.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
But also the Gold Coast have run into trouble with
clauses over the years.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
If you look at the day for.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Fee to deal that ultimately Tina gotten them into a
bit of a scenario was similar.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
So this is one example where they have got it right.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Just hook Adam as well.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The meaning to a question now is if they do
get rid of Dares, who comes in?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
What happens?
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, Well that's that's well, that's the question. Because they've
gone for rookie coaches justin Holdbrook, Karth Brennan, They've gone
for experience coaches in Neil Henry and obviously John Cartwright
started there and then they've gone for a premiership winner
and Dez. None of them except for John Cartright, i've
had any success there. So what's the formula for the
Gold Coast Titans run backyard?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Then?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'm just thinking there has to be the management has
to take some accountability right because a lot of them
have made those appointments, there's no doubt about it. But
I'll give credit by safeguarding them long term with this
decision with the clause inserted in the contract. But who
the best coach is? I'm not sure that they go
for a veteran. I don't know. It's very difficult, it's
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very crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Someone will step off the roundabout.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
We're so lucky in a game that if we're in
any other business, you've got to go searching for a CEO.
You've got to go searching for a coach. In this business.
As soon as you sack one, there'll be a heap
of people put their cvs.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, the best young coaches at the moment that aren't
coaching head coaching in the NL. You've got you know,
Ben Hornby, Willy Peters, Matt King, Dean Young, these sort
of guys that have had experience in and around the game.
Willy Peter is obviously in the Super League doing some
good things over there, so that's probably where I would go.
Josh Hannay, you're looking at the next coaching waded and
hopefully they can unlock something that everyone before them hasn't
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been able to do.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Jumping before Perth with a Kevy Wilder was a Sam Burgess.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You could, you could. I don't know how far down
the past.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
People out there. You just it's whether they're ready to
pull the.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Tri keV.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And that is the name that automatically would spring him
on for me because he's a Coinslander.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We know how much that statements.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So looks a bit trigger because he works here at
Fox League now and I love the job that he's
doing in commentary. But if they were to draw up
a hit list, I'm thinking that his name would be
right at the top of it.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Before the contract news broke just hours ago, des has
held a snap press conference to address the speculation around
David for THEA take a look, I.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Bet yourself, believe in yourself as a coach, K thank
you as your community A long term ah yes.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Yeah, I enjoy coaching and why I'm enjoying catching.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I'm continued to catch. There's what's the latest? Love Dave?
How'd he go with a specialist?
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Yeah? I know, I had a airpointment this morning went
really well, we'll go in. It's a keyhole surgeon to mine.
Probably three to four weeks.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I hopefully lean towards three weeks. How are you?
Speaker 6 (10:01):
And you know?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
How are they?
Speaker 8 (10:03):
Just fine?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Though? Everything every time? Well, we want to get better shoes.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
This was before the great Michael Carryanas broke his story
on the Dali Telegraph website, so he looked in decent
spirits and he was still comfortable with his coaching role
and happy with Dave and the situation there.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
But I think he.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Is he being shopped around?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well it's I don't know about who's but I've heard it,
but everyone denying the fact that he has been shopped around.
But he's a free agent come November one, so there's
no doubt. I'd say that, at the very least shopping
him the club of the manager, I think he'd be
his agent and reaching out the clubs to gauge an interest,
to see if there is any feelers out there. Nity.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It was the people at the Titans today they said
fake news, Cease and desist. They actually pointed out that
he's under contract, so you can't shop him at this
point in time. They might even want to legal if
they find out they.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Are adamant that they want Dave remaining.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Do you believe the Gold Coast after what happened in
the last few days weeks he's been dropped. He wanted
to play left side, they said, no, play reserve grade.
Now he's going in for ankle. But you think the
Titans want to think they want to they wouldn't be
happy for him to go somewhere else.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Well, if they let him go somewhere else, they're going
to have to chip in money anyway, right, so they're
a little bit damned if they do.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Damn if they say they don't want him to go
somewhere else and he's manager shops him around, they don't
chip in as much money.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
If it does have a game, that's the game, and
there's nothing stopping people from pulling out the feelers right
to to get a sense of is there a market
for David for feeda, because you know, twelve months ago
there was a massive market for David Feeder, but Obviously
that starts windled a lot bit.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No one else is going to play him a mean door.
So let's try and work out here if he does leave,
what's he on now and what would another club pay you?
What's it going to cost the Titans, what's going to
cost another club? The Getty services? We got any idea
around that?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Well, he's on close to not He's on nine hundred
plus at the moment at the Gold Coast Titans right
given his form and the fact that he's got a
game for surgery tomorrow. A rival club the Titans would
have to chip in at least I'd think three hundred thousand.
You're not going to pay more than on current market value,
on current form, I couldn't see anybody paying more than that. But,
(12:19):
like I said, Brath, talking to people at the Titans today,
they're adamant they want Dave to work for their club.
They've invested a hell of a lot in him. They
signed him on one of the richest deals in history
at the time, dating back a number of years. He's
really probably only had one breakout season for them, so
I think they feel like they need to put the
work in try and get a little bit of return
on investment.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I can't argue with hops. I think that's probably where
the money will land. Well, if you know what coaches
are like, they think they can fix everyone, right, So
there will be a market for David Feto at that price.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And they're probably who whatever coach comes in next would
also believe they could if it des He's not there,
they could get the best out of day.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, these are ferrari right, I've watched players like this before.
It's up a Dave. It's not the coach. He's got
all the ability in the world. He's got a ticket.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like what would if you had a direct conversation with David,
what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Weight fitness, that is that is the easiest thing. If
you went and picked up a player and he's an
old school footy player. So now they get a really
good athlete who can run and do all that jump,
lift weight, and they turned him into a footy player.
There's a natural footy player that they got to turn
into a better athlete. And what I mean by athlete
is getting through the minutes, playing long quality minutes and
(13:34):
time and what the team does.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Gord, he has to be said everyone in the game
wants the Gold Coast Titans to succeed, but.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
They just can't get it right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They've had a number of fresh starts, new beginnings and opportunities,
and they just continue to see they seem to continue
to face.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
If I knew like they signed on the Mortal and Melmonnenger,
they've had you know, they've got an amazing board, they
got great owners. You know they had justin Horbrooks they went.
They've had really experienced coaches. They've had coaches that have
been successful at other clubs. They've tried young coaches that
are successful in the UK. They've got Desi, a Premiership
winning coach. Come where you think that what the club
(14:13):
I thought was lacking was the resilience was a Desi
has lost stylar coach?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Is it pathways and development? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Because if you I'm just listening to you, I haven't
done any research into the Titans. But you get Desi
on board, you got a good board today. You're telling
me that the leadership is really good.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
To make a.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Response, is a Gold Coast boy paying ass is a
Gold Coast boy. Xavier Coach is a Gold Coast boy.
Why aren't those guys staying and playing on the Gold Coast,
so the pathways is probably something that they've got to
work on. But I really do believe that we need
a better spine, and as I say a spine, I
reckon we need a seven.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
The challenge for them is, Gordy that it's been eight
in seasons and I think they've only made the finals
on a couple of occasions. That's very barren in terms
of success. And with two new clubs coming in. We
know the Perth Bear going to be in in twenty
twenty seven and then you've got P and G coming
in in twenty twenty eight, the player pool and the
depth of talent is being heavily stretched further and further
(15:10):
all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
So look, I think everyone wants to.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
See the Titans successful because it's been a rough road
for them and it would be awesome to see them
up there and competing with the best teams, but it's
a long road ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Why take after all that, as Unity coach is going
to come in really invest in the Gold Coast Titans
into the community, really invest into their development and their pathways,
and I think then that will lead to further success
or longevity down the path because that seems to be
where they've dropped the ball a little bit over their
time in our game. A bit of rivals, bitter rivals
are at war over Brandon Smith's immediate switch to South. Now,
(15:43):
how did this escalate so fast over the last twenty
four hours?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Shots fired broath. This is as messy as you'll see.
It's hilarious. It's like rival mob bosses trying to negotiate,
trying to negotiate a cease fire, and the level distrust
is really off the axis. The roosters are adamant it
didn't come out of them. Souths are adamant it hasn't
come out of their camp either. There's claim and counterclaim.
(16:11):
When you strip it all back.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Whose person?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
When you strip it all back? What it's really about
is money.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
So Souths have offered the roosters about one hundred and
sixty thousand dollars to take Brandon Smith off their hands
effective immediately. The roosters are saying, no, they're not going
to do that. It's got to be two hundred.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
This is like the roosters want two hundred. Seouts are
off from one sixty. We're talking forty green and this
petty little like kids they hate each other so much,
forty thousand dollars over a key player in our game
of the NFL, we can't get to an agreement.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Well, it just shows you the level of middle guys.
It says a lot.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
About the level of distrust and hatred that existed between
these two clubs dating back to nineteen our and you're
talking about, you know, some of the most powerful and
influential figures in the game who are involved in this.
I feel a little bit for Brandon because it seems
like he might have been blindsided a little bit, certainly
out of the Bunnies. Today, it was being pushed that
(17:14):
Brandon had been told by the Roosters that he was
going to be playing reserve grade for the rest of
the season.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
In New South Wales.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Cup Reports fiercely denied that and said, absolutely, it's not
the case.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I just want to get through them. I want to
get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Is it who started this?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Is it the.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Bunnies?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Who's who started this?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But the other thing is is that South isn't in
a mad rush because he can't play for another six weeks.
So every week that goes on, the Rusters are still
paying his salary. Out, so that figure that they need
to keep. Well, it's an interesting time with Mamoizilla's getting injured,
but he's out for six weeks, six to eight weeks,
six weeks. But it's still because you look at the
(18:00):
dummy half stocks They got Saliver he Villi playing there
and you know he's been a good utility off the bench,
but he's not going to play long minutes out of
dummy half. So there's a definite gap there that they
need to.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Fillus needy us need him, and the Roosters apparently don't
want him. But it's that forty thousand dollars just us
won't pay.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
How good is it? How good is it?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Brendan Smith addressed the shock development on the by Around
podcast earlier today.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
Something has happened overnight and my manager rang me this
morning and sort of just told me everything I've read
so far doesn't seem like I'm very wanted. Robert ranged
me just before, but on the way here it was
a good conversation, like it was nice and he's like, mate,
we're just trying to save some money. But he also
he was pretty surprised about like how it's come about today.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's going to be hard to go into training.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
And I still got to do that. We're meant to
have the week off. I'm playing some reserve I'm training
with the reserve grade side this week. So it's not
going to happen overnight. No one's answering their phone at
the moment as well.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So I had the chicks last couple days, told you
that you can play reserve grade for the rest of
the year if you do come back as well.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
I think the time I managed that, but I was
just guess, I didn't know if there were real words
or empty words.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, Brandon Smith, they're looking understandably flat, you know, a
little bit emotional, disappointed. You could see that his menorism
is the way that he spoke, and are disappointed. Really
He said that Robbo was surprised. Why would Robo be surprised?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, I can't work Yeah, I can't work out why
Trent Robinson would be surprised, because there's no way that
Roosters are getting rid of Brandon Smith before June thirty
without Trent and Robinson getting the okay, because the rooster
still believe they can play finals footy this year, and
you know Brandon would help them with that. So yeah,
look you can you can see the disappointment even in
a sense of embarrassment, I guess a little bit for Brandon,
(19:51):
and that was tough to watch and listen to. So
the messages there were a little bit mixed because of
the emotion. I'd suggest, could they just.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Be that next to Boss and he just made the decision.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's a big call, Gordy for you know, Trent Robinson
not to have like Nick Wields the power right, no
doubt about that. But I don't see him releasing someone
before June thirty without Trent Robinson's okay, like dom Young,
you know, Trent Robinson would have had to have been
across the Dom Young situation.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
The reserve grade scenario is interesting, and Brandon's confirmed there
that he was told that he would be training with
reserve grade this week. The last time the Roosters did this,
I think it was Matt Lodge, and that was a
player that they were clearly looking to immediately push out
the door and they wanted him having no further involvement
with their NRL squad. So it feels as though there's
(20:37):
a few pieces of this puzzle still missing.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Braith, how it all shakes out.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Look, I think Brandon will be at South's well before
June thirty, and he obviously isn't going to play in
the Rooster's jersey again.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Just on the reserve grade side. I'm assuming the NRL
players have it some time off because of the bias,
so maybe they've just asked him to do some extra
training with the reserve grades side. But he'll be at
Souths before June thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
All right, now, Dom Young gone, Brandon Smith gone?
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Are we free?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Some money up and some space to finalize DCE?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Of course, are as much as the Roosters are pushing
the party line that they want to upgrade emerging players,
very good established players like Nafu White, Hugo Savala, the
next wave of talent coming through. We've all seen how
this unfolds previously, and clearly I think they didn't have
(21:30):
enough money to be able to sign daily straight out
for next year available Jared.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Ni Ki Manu, Joey Spali, That's that's a fair bit
of talent. May now, Brandon Smith, that's a lot of
money a winger on five hundred.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's with Reese Robson's the only one that they've really
parachuted in there.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Yeah, but don't forget they're still going to have to
pay money towards Dominic Young going and towards Brandon Smith going.
And if you look at their rostar, it's star started
with internationals and also state of players. It still is
like it's still a damn good list. So I think
at the moment they are clearing the decks.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Could there be more casualties at the roosters.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah, I think there will be.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I heard today that sand And Smith, who we obviously
saw was man a match in that standout ANZAC Day performance.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I've heard that his agent is also.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I said last night when we're talking about DC, I
said they probably couldn't cop or have four first grade
half half backs and I said if DC does go there,
they'll lose a half and you're here and whispers that
he's been shocked.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Around, well, I've heard that, yeah, his agent.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Other clubs have certainly been made aware of it because
they raised it today. And look, he's a damn good
emerging young player. Obviously the ANZAC Day was his breakout performance,
but I'd be thinking if I'm another club. But again,
it all just adds into the fact that all roads
for daily Cherry Evans. So that's what the Roosters are doing.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
So they would make a big.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Pins a half.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Is that a good decision a thirty seven year old
half back next year by the time he gets to
the finals taking a twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Year old like the future of the trick because three
good guys.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You've got two guys now that I think the Rusters
have turned the corner like that, been playing some pretty
good footage.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, you know, I think DC.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And Walker would be great combination and they can win
the premiership right and the russ have made that call.
Savala to me has impressed me a lot. His maturity,
he's kicking game, he's defense and he could partner Walker
as soon as DC leaves and be a really good combination.
They've got Rodwell coming through. He won SG ball ground
(23:42):
fin on the weekend. He got me of the match
Sat and Smith and I said it before end Zact
Day he hadn't stood up in the absence of Walker,
and then he come out and had his best performance
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
By a long way in that Endzact Day game.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But was that enough to secure his secure at the
Roosters And they probably must mustn't think so, So he'll
be the fall guy from this. Whether it's a good
decision or not, we'll find out in eight eight months,
twenty four months. Right, you've got to take risk in
this game, and they're willing to do that and get
a top line on one of the best halfbacks in
(24:17):
the game and over the last ten or fifteen years
to win a camp.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Well, just on that.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What about some of the best judges said that'll knock
back the development of Sam Walker.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
He'll just take him back. How's that going to knock
his development?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like he's got one of the best experienced halves that
he's also a Queenslander who can take him under his wing,
and he can watch DC and realize, how do you
get to this level? How do you get to Origin?
How do you win the Origin series?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
How do you win a premiership?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't buy into that. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think it seems like DC is a great leader
and he's I mean, he handles himself well on and
off the field. I just don't see how that's the case.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Alet other very good judges say breath that they think
DC's arrival will actually benefit the emergence not only of
like Sid has already established, but then the emergence of
players locks of all but particularly Toby Rodwell. You touched
on him moments ago. I think this is a big
part of why sand and Smith has now been mentioned
with rival clubs is because this young blake he got
(25:14):
Man of the match in the SG Ball Grand Final.
There are huge raps on him. I think given time,
he will develop into an absolute standout NRL player and
DC can help him on his journey.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, I just don't see him like what what how
it could he.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Can't Sam Walk and look at the the rugby league
knowledge that Sam Walker has been surrounded by Obviously he
grew up in a rugby league household. Kober Krong's been
in and around the Ruses, he played alongside Luke Key.
Now he gets an opportunity to potentially play with daily
Cherry Evans. Very few number sevens would ever have that
ground in.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
DC said that he's not leaving for money or more money.
What's what's the go here with the with the roosters
and what do we think he's been offered and all
that sort of thing, because last night I think Crawle
said it was me a meal.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Is that the case?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, mainly on this show made that offer that. I
think it was seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars this season.
I think it's definitely going to be more than that.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Breath.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I think it will be around the million dollar mark.
I hadn't heard that it'll get to one point too,
But I'm not privy to the exact fine detail of
the negotiations. But definitely I think it's closer to the
million dollar mark than it is the other way.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Because it's for the year, you know, and they've moved
these players on. It's not going to hurt them too
much in the back pocket?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Is it for the one year?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
That's right, Yeah, it makes well, that's why it all
if you look at it objectively from an outside point
of view. As much as the roosters are trying to
hose it and deny it and throw off to a degree,
we can all see.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
We can all see what's going on here.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, all right now, This Saturday, two thirty pm, Live
and exclusive on Fox Lead the Raiders take on the
Bulldogs in a sold out top of the table clash
no one saw coming.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
How come we all hated history?
Speaker 10 (27:02):
Lessons of school, But when history is written in a
game of footing, absolutely loved.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
If you had a great jump rock, that's balmurt Inger
and he's Rand paging picks.
Speaker 10 (27:11):
It's like nothing else matters, and the grand fucking was
up the way. I think back to nineteen ninety four,
to Big Male's farewell match, long before we made him
the thirteenth of mortals. Jesus, wait till they came, Melmaninger,
(27:36):
how are you gotta stop that?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Can you believe?
Speaker 10 (27:39):
Nineteen ninety four was the last one the Boards and
Raiders lay when placed first and second on the ladder,
and you know, over time there's never been much between them.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Head ahead, the Raiders are on thirty seven wins, the
Bulldogs thirty eighth, and when they come together for the
match of the this Super Saturday, it'll be the best
game of foot He sits, well, it's his last weekends,
but actually create.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
What have found that?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't you just love Rudney League? Yep, we love it.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
Oh my goodness, three o'clock Super Saturday, prepare to celebrate
history in the making.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
It's the Raiders and the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's what they wanted to say right here on Fox
League one v. Two. No one saw this coming, and
I mean no one, the Raiders taking on the Bulldogs,
and the only place that you can see it is
right here on Fox League exclusively on Super Saturday.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And when I say no one.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Saw this coming, I saw Buzz give me up the
other night.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Where did you tip the Raiders to come this year?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Last stinker?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
It hurts.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, he threw me straight under the bus. Threw me
straight under the bus, Buzz, don't worry that be it
gets as a rock. I've definitely got that one wrong,
and I apologize a.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Life for me.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I don't think you're the lone Ranger. A couple other
people certainly did as well. But if you look at
what the Raider has been able to do this season,
it's outstanding.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Broth.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Then they've got a bit of a moneyball system going
on with their roster, where yes, Joe Tarpenhay is an
established superstar international, Yes Josh Papal has played Origin and
played in national football. But aside from that, they've gone
and found a lot of players who are unwanted or
unloved at other clubs and they've brought them to the
Raiders and they've built the club around those senior established
(29:36):
guys and then this emerging wave of youth coming through
and it's work for them.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's a credit to the club the way that they've done.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
They haven't second thoughts about Bradley. Tommy Starling has been
absolutely outstanding against the Titans. He come up with three
plays early before halftime, got them back in the plan
and they got young Paddy.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, Starling has been outstanding all season. Good going back
to Vegas and he was brilliant over there. They have
resigned Starling as well, so it's going to be a
balancing act for them next year. And Patty off the bench, yeah,
I know they've got extremely big wraps on him as well.
I think we'll see him really kick on in the
next couple of seasons.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
All right, Press, then out for Canna Breed. Did anyone
think they had a chance of beating that charge at
the Judiciary?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
You know what down there last night, Braith, when I
got there and I saw Cameron Sraldo, their chairman Adam Drewissi,
their CEO, Aaron Warburton, they went and got this hot
shot lawyer Paul McGirr, who we haven't seen down at
NRL headquarters in a judiciary case or I hadn't seen him.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
There previous week.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I don't think we have, and it was actually quite
a quite a fascinating case. I thought he mounted a
very strong argument. Then he gave tena little spray on
the way out without naming him as such, by saying
players need to be careful about taking dives. But I
think it was worth a risk given that he was
(30:57):
looking at three weeks anyway, it was only one more
he got it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I would have done the same.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You would have challenge that. Yeah, I was taking the
three weeks. That's carry I thought it was. I thought
it was a definition of lost his feet, put pressure
on the neck.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Done fair enough, all right? Could judge you right, Joe?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
What do you you?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Playing match ups?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Thanks to Ozzie Broadbing for this weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
We are the West Tigers and the Melbourne Storm Breaks
Stefano obviously walked out on the Tigers last year ago
and try and win a premiership with Melbourne's up against
one of the informed props into roll mate.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I want pumped to watch my Raiders go around breath
Kile Weeks up against Connor Tracy, the two informed number.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Ones you never leave that down with.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Sticky at all.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Maybe Sticky he loves it. He's just throwing it out there.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
We're going to get you to
Speaker 1 (32:00):
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