August 11, 2023 • 49 mins
With five additional schools finding new destinations last week, the Pac-12 conference is officially dead. George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden get into why the Apple TV deal would never have hit the escalators that put it on par with the money other conferences are receiving from Fox and ESPN.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans, This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only
the truth lives here Packed twelve Apostles.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Ams and and this is
the Pack twelve Apostles. So, Ralph, I think it's I mean,
can we say it's for sure? I mean, we already
announced it last show that this was our last season.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
This will not be our last podcast. We just have.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To rebrand this whole joint because we attached our name
to a bunch of people who the namesake of this show,
to a bunch of people who mismanaged everything. We went
with our heart and not with our head. And look
at where we are right now. And we went over
it last show, and I think we were one hundred
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percent accurate. Ralph, when you asked me where did I
think everybody would end up? It was right you Cla
and obviously USC in the Big Ten, which was already announced,
Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten, and the Four
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Corner Schools to the Big twelve. And where there's smoke,
there's fire. So how long have we been hearing about
the Four Corner schools to the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Ralph me, are we eight nine months? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I mean I went back and I was like, you know,
what were our internal discussions because ever since USC and
UCLA made the jump, you said that it's over, You
said that the conference is dead. You didn't want for
it to be that way, but that's just a way
that it was. And then you know, I checked our
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text messages and you were like, Oregon is headed to
the Big ten. And that was like in September twenty
twenty two, so like you've you've you have seen this
for a while. We actually talked about this, you know,
back in uh twenty nineteen, when we fired this podcast
up for the first time, Like we were discussing if
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they didn't get their stuff together, what could end up happening?
And here we are, and it's just it's all of
our worst fears realized. But you know, I kind of
feel like we're done morning, and we have packed twelve
presidents out here acting like you know that this was
in some way a surprise or a shock to them,
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and I just don't even see how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Exactly exactly. And then you have people who have covered
the conference writing and I don't want to disparage them
because I understand that they were in a very.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Very unique situation.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And this is mainly like Wilner and Canzono right, because
they are a good man trying to do the right
thing right, But they also are getting information from They
have a lot of access to the PAC twelfth presidents,
to the Commissioner, and to people who had a vested
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interest in making things sound really really good in public. Yeah,
so they would get quotes, insider information, all of this
stuff from people who who wanted this to survive. And
the problem is is that from the outside, it was
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like nobody was paying attention to the perception from the
outside and how poorly that things have been mismanaged under
Larry Michael Scott, and it was obvious.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That not get Like like when the when.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The SEC signed that new media deal with ESPN, that
was the one that scared me. I was like, the
PAC twelve has to get to the table because CBS
and Fox are going to as soon as those spots
are taken up. There's gonna be no room except for
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that late window on ESPN. I was like, Bro, you
have to get back to the negotiating table. Asap and
that was the only way to save it. And did
Larry Scott do that? Nope, nodded all he was like, whoa, well,
we got to wait till the end of this thing.
But but but you saw you clearly didn't have to
wait to the end. At the SEC didn't wait till
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the end the pact. They Big twelve clearly didn't wait
till the end. So even after the mistakes were already made,
it was like that there was some sort of it
was like the sunk cost fallacy. Oh well, we've invested
so much into the PAC twelve and networks. We got
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to see this thing through. No you don't, No, you don't.
You can stop a reverse course. I've learned that in
my own damn life. Oh man, I've put so much
into that. No, throw that Throw that shit in the
trash bro It wasn't the right idea. And that's the
part that is troubling is that you have so many
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articles now about where did we go wrong, instead of
while it was going wrong, writing here's how it's going wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah. It reminds me of do you remember watching and Idol?
Some people still watch it, Maybe it's still on. I
don't know, but like for the first few seasons, that
was like twenty million people a week watching this show.
And one of the things that would happen on this
show a show that really made it look like you
went to a tryout, got in line and then got
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in front of like Simon col and Randy Jackson and
Paula Abduel. But that's not what it actually was. You
would go to a tryout, you would get in front
of some producers, and if they liked you, they'd put
you through some more rounds of producers to tell your
story and stuff like that, and then a week later, U,
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Simon cow Paula Abduell, Randy Jackson, they'd fly into town
and you'd come back yep. And what they made it
look like is U.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Show follow people around exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
That's how you get these shots of people at their
home and stuff like that. But to producers, there's a
bunch of different producers. They're gonna make a decision on
who gets through to talk to the Big three. The
TV show doesn't air like that, but in reality that's
what's happening, and the producers will hear somebody sing poorly,
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and if they believed that it was entertaining enough or
funny enough, or it would piss the judges off enough
to put this person through. Then they would let them through.
They'd come up with the whole backstory. And that's how
you end up with guys like William Hung singing she
bangs in front of you know, the judges, and then
becoming which is right, and then becoming like an international
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sensation for being so bad. But some of these people
they yeah, But some of these people they put through
the judges genuinely believed they could sing and and and
the producers had to do this like delicate balance of
not tipping them off, because nobody in their life ever
let them know that whatever they hear when they sing
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to themselves in the shower is actually terribly offensive to
the human ear. So you have these people walking in
in front of the judges and in full confidence, they'd
open up their mouth to sing Sam Cook, and then
Sam Cook would be rolling over in his grave from
how bad it was. Sometimes you'd have the judges laugh.
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Sometimes you have the judges try to let these people
down carefully, and then sometimes Simon cow would just be like, what,
why in the hell did you ever think that you
could come out here in front of us, you know.
But as the viewer at home, that's why I say this.
As a viewer at home, you have twenty million people watching,
and all twenty million people know that this person that's
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going to walk in front of the judges is headed
to the wood chipper. They all know it except for
that person. And that's what the PAC twelve negotiations felt
like to me. Everybody knew that the PAC twelve, based
on the landscape, was not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Viable, that they were headed to the wood chip. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, But then you had these PAC twelve presidents acting like,
oh my gosh, like what we came down to the
last minute and we had we had the chance, we
were in the room and we could have made it happen,
and it was Oregon's fault.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, and it was Oregon's fault. Dude.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Arizona had applied for admission to the Big twelve and
been accepted the night before, Like what what are we
And then they're like, well, we were gonna sign it.
What so you were going to back out after you
got voted in?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So it just it cracks me up, like knowing that
you have the PAC twelve presidents that like walked out
of the room, you know, having not been presented with
a solid deal for over a year after USC and
UCLA decided to leave, thinking like oh wow, we really
weren't able to save the conference. That it must just
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be a bad day. It must have just been a
bad bounce, Like no, no, no, no, well no, this
has been all bad all along.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And can we talk about the lead up to the
final Friday because.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was inevitable.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So so let's go back to the So Colorado leaves
and goes to the Big twelve PAC twelve realize like.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh snap, we gotta get on it, and then.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Arizona's thinking about going and then they're like, oh, we
got to present a deal today, okay, and that was
what Monday, And then you had either the previous Friday
or the Monday. You're like, okay, well they're leaving and okay,
so we got to present a deal. So they present
a deal that next day because Arizona was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So and then the deal that's been reported, so let's
talk about the details that have been reported that there
was a twenty three million dollars originally Lee it was
twenty million. Then there was going to be a twenty
three million dollar payment to each school every year from
Apple TV, which I'm a streamer. I love Apple TV.
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Got no problem with Apple TV. Love it right.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
However, the feel this deal would have saved me probably
six hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, but no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So it wouldn't have had to have Sling.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, but there were multiple problems with the with the deal.
First thing is is they were like, oh, there are
escalators based upon the number of subscribers. And it's been
reported that at a million subscribers they would have gotten
that thirty one point seven million dollars that that the
Big twelve was offering. But then at five million subscribers
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would have gotten over fifty million dollars. And you're like, wait,
but nobody knows how many subscribers is realistic. So you've
had people saying, well, the Pack twelve networks have fifteen
million subscribers. Know that's fifteen million, it's in fifteen million homes.
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That's different because those people aren't actively subscribing to the
PAC twelve. It's just the PAC twelve networks. It's just
part of their basic cable package. Whereas if people who
are court cutters, it's not part of their basic package.
Prime example, the NFL networks. I'm sorry, the direct TV
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NFL Sunday Ticket. How many people do you think subscribe
to that?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Ralph?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Actually you know the answer because you're on Twitter and
you follow me, and I think you said it too.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, I actually I actually don't know. I'm about to
subscribe to Sunday Ticket for the first time in my life.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So when it was on DirecTV instead of being on
YouTube TV, okay, two point four million people to the
to the NFL Sunday Ticket. Two point four million people, the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Biggest American sports subscription, yes, model product.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And NFL games do fifteen to sixteen million people on average.
And that's a baby game, Like that's like a normal
Sunday one o'clock eastern ten am game that you know
that people are still in church, people are sleeping, all
of that, Like that's a normal game. Primetime games twenty
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million plus and only two point four million people subscribe
to direct TV Sunday Ticket. So and that's the biggest
American sport by far. So with the SEC already taking
up the oxygen in the room, the big ten. How
many people do you think have paid for an ad
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on every month to watch Pack twelve sports. Do you
think it would have been closer to the one million
or the five million, or do you have no idea?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It wouldn't be anywhere near one million.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I had this discussion with a lot of people
of like, hey, your favorite bar is probably not going
to subscribe to Apple if there are linear options.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Because they all have cable there, like you would have
to have a smart TV, which they probably do.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
All have smart t TV.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, but they're on a system and they all like
to use the remote all of this stuff, and you
think that they're going to instead use the regular TV
remote and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Sift through apps.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, granted that's gonna happen in the next five ten years,
but right now that's not where we're at.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Right Well, so we're still in a situation where where
it's hard in a Pack twelve city to find establishments
with PAC twelve network. Still it is still that way. Yeah,
And what was frustrating me about having this argument with
a lot of people because a lot of people were like,
what are you talking about, Like, you could get Apple
TV on your phone you could screencast at a tailgate
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bars have no problem, Like you could get Apple TV anywhere.
They could figure this out. And I'm like, those are
all nice, like they could do those things, except we're
more than a decade into PAC twelve network, and I
don't know if you go out to establishments to try
to watch Pack twelve games. I still do, so it
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is very hard to find someone with Pack twelve network.
If you find someone with Pack twelve network, you better
help hope there's not another linear option that's being taken up.
And you have to deal with the fact that, like
you better hope the host is knows how to change
the channel yep, or that they'll just hand you the remote.
They have a hard enough time changing the channel at
some of these bars, especially if they get even a
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little bit busy. Switching in and out of apps is
not going to happen yet. You pointed that out. It's
not going to happen yet. The linear option is the
one with the lowest barrier of entry. And moreover, they're
probably not going to give up these late kickoff times
because that's their best option to get away from other
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people's linear options. To actually make the subscription service have value.
Here's the deal. The bars that would spring for Apple
TV are not like clubs that stay open till two
in the morning, where two different time zones would have
to be in order to have you know, people out
watching watching these these pack ten pack nine games. They
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close it like midnight for eleven thirty and you know,
or a round kickoff. So it like this idea that
businesses were going to carry a good chunk of the
base of some of these subscriptions and then it would
be made up by individuals after that.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And we're talking about the West.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's been lucky to have one hundred thousand, yes, exactly,
because when you create additional barriers to entry, people will
will will.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Find something else to do. Because see now, if the
SEC or the Big Ten, which don't have a perception problem,
right and the SEC the biggest, baddest football conference, and
it just matters more, and the Big Big ten, which
has the biggest fan bases and which does the best
TV ratings, if they went on Apple TV, which is
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essentially like a black hole for right now in the
in the short term, they would have no problem getting
a million subscribers, no problem, no problem, gets probably two
million subscribers because they sell out one hundred thousand seat
stadiums no problem weekend week out. Stanford can't get forty
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five percent of their stadium field on a regular basis.
Cal can't get fifty five percent of their stadium field
on a regular basis. USC only has gotten their stadium
field since they got Lincoln Riley the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We've seen pictures of that recently.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And what's a big part of what's contributing to the
drop off. A huge part of what's contributing to the
drop off is the fact that these games have not
been readily available to keep people interested. That's a big
part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a and we've talked about that, it's an availability problem,
and when you're not available. It allowed ESPN and Fox,
who were partners of the SEC Network, the ACC Network,
and the Big Ten to talk about you, even though
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that you were like their second tier choice. They are
literally owners of the ESPN's owners of the ACC Network
and the SEC Network, and the Fox owners of the
Big Ten. So who do you think that they are
going to pump up and give the most attention to
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the people that they're in bed with. So and Oregon
would get a lot of coverage on game day and
all of that stuff, but they were still in Washington
when they're good USC but you see the slights that
you taw would get talked with. Even Oregon and USA
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are oh man, they gotta win every single game. There's
no margin for error, no margin for error. And you
say that on television enough times. Guess what people believe, Ralph?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well, of course, of course people people tend to believe that,
and a big part of that is people are not
seeing these teams in order to contrast those opinions.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The truth of the matter is, you know, there's a
lot of people watching Tennessee. Last year, a lot of
people watching Tennessee. Utah was on that level. They might
have lost to Florida, but they're on that level. Not
a lot of people watching Utah to be able to
see for themselves. Oh, Tennessee in Utah, like that's a
pretty even matchup. And people are talking about Tennessee's opportunity
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to play for a national championship. And then they're talking
about Utah needing to be perfect like no, like these
are really close.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
To the same team. Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so you know, here's here's one of the other
things that I want Pack twelve fans to wake up
to the reality of this idea. And Michael Crowe said it,
and there's a bunch of presidents that have spoken out
on this, But Michael crow said there were a lot
of forces at work, including the overlords of the media empire,
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that were driving a lot of this, and what he
means by this is the breaking up of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Oh it was. It was.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Sure, Sure, the TV networks drove some of this, But
here's the actual reality and the actual data that the
TV networks were looking at which would cause them to
not go deep into their pockets to keep the PAC
twelve alive. Last year, the highest rated game in each
conference that did not involve a team that's moving to
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a new conference this year. In the Big Ten it
was Michigan versus Ohio State seventeen point one four million
people watched that game. In the SEC, that was Tennessee
versus Georgia teen point zero six million people watched that game.
In the ACC it was NC State versus Clemson. Five
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million people tuned into that game. In the Big twelve,
where four PAC twelve schools are now headed TCU versus
Baylor pulled in four point three to five million. Do
you know what the highest rated PAC twelve game that
didn't involve UCLA or USC was last year?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
It was, for sure Oregon.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was Oregon versus Oregon State at three point five
to six million, which I believe happened on linear television. Yeah,
we're talking about the PAC twelve getting five million Apple subscribers,
when when the PAC twelve has not had a single
game in the last two years have five million viewers?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well a single Washington.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oregon twenty twenty one got close.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well a, you mean games amongst PAC twelve teams as
as opposed to them playing non conference games, because they
did have non conference games that rated higher than that.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
But that's what Apple would be buying, is PAC twelve
teams versus PAC twelve teams. For the most part, some
of these non cons will happen on linear and.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So and I think that answers the question that Jeff
Schwartz even put out. It was like, wait, so the
so ESPN and Fox essentially are paying more, We're willing
to pay more for the PAC twelve as parts than
the PAC twelve as a as a as a whole,
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so basically that they think the brands are.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Worth more individually than they are collectively.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That which is also a mistake, which is also in
my opinion, it's a big mistake on their part, because
the parts are worth what they're worth in conjunction with
how they function according to the other parts.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, but that shows perception problem though, Ralph, that shows
that it's a perception problem. If if if they say,
all right, uh, the the Pac twelve apostles, We'll pay
you twenty million dollars, twenty three million dollars a year
for the pack twelve apostles plus however many subscribers that
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you get blah blah blah. Right, But then another network says, listen,
we'll pay Ralph will give you thirty one point seven
million dollars. George will give you forty some million dollars.
How does that make sense? We will pay you to
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break up. We will pay you more if you break up.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It doesn't, I do. I think it's short sighted on
the network's part. Not keeping the rivalries together is going
to diminish the value of your product because rivalries are
what people tune in for if they're casuals.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't think so. I think that people want to
see good quality. I think that there's a well, see,
it's tough because the rivalries do matter, right, but people
want to see and it's going to rate better on
television Oregon versus Michigan State, Oregon versus Ohio State, Oregon
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versus USC than it is Oregon versus Oregon State, even
though that that game actually means more to a lot
more people.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
If that makes sense, I.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Guess, I guess. All I know is college football is
made up of some of the biggest diehard fans you'll
ever meet, and then a bunch of people who have
degrees and families and lives and aren't dedicated to going
out to tailgates painting their face following recruiting rankings, who
just check in rivalry week around Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh, are we are headed to where college football is
jumping the shark? I just want to let everybody know
college football is about to jump the shark, because the
issue is now that it's become so dog eat dog
that every conference in every team is trying to be
the number one right that they that they want to
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get the most money, the most is the most that
the problem is is that this is the entertainment business.
And what has the NFL figured out.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We have thirty two teams, and if they each negotiated
their rights individually, the Cowboys would be by far, would be.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Georgia right in the SEC. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's like the Cowboys, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Patriots, the Bears,
all negotiating their TV rights together, right yea.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And then you have.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
The smaller market teams Jacksonville where you have Jacksonville, Carolina,
you know, and whatever, the Houston Texans and another team
all negotiating their rights together.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Right, one is going to get way more than the other.
But the problem that that creates.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Is is that even though the Cowboys, still in the NFL,
are more valuable, they figured out, oh, if we work
together and negotiate our rights together, Yes, it does create
more parody and make it harder for the most valuable
team to win every single year. What it does is
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it creates a level playing field, which creates more parity,
which creates more interest in our sport. So the answer
is twofold. Chip Kelly had right when he talked about
it this week that football needs to break off from
every other sport that football needs to have its own
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independent situation, and then all the rest of the sports,
the Olympic sports can play regional ball for the most part.
And then of course like basketball. Of course people want
to see Gonzaga North Carolina in one off games, Duke
versus you know, Houston in one or Arizona and one
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off games. Everybody wants to see those days. But the
thing that we have to get to football being independent
that conference affiliation. Throw that out the window for the
entire school because football is unique to everything. It's got
way more scholarships, got travel is less everything because people
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talk about, oh my god, do you know how far
these football teams are going to be traveling?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dude, it doesn't matter. It's like six times a year.
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But for all the rest of the sports, all the
jimmy rigging that's gonna have to be done for the
student athletes.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's not cool.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, it's not. And you're in your and I guess
you're right, and Chip Kelly's right in that like having
football be the driver of where every other where, every
other sport ends up having to travel to play really
seems close to bumping up against the Title nine issue
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to me like a peripheral Title nine issue of like
football is getting money to be on TV. Therefore Oregon
softball has to go to Rutgers.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Why then, but but then football also pays for softball
to go to Rutgers.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Right right, But they don't want to go to Rutgers.
So it's like, thank you for being you know, you know,
thank you for funding this thing over funding this thing
that we that we don't even want to participate in.
So I do understand the appeal of having football being
broken off from everything else. I am personally a proponent
of revenue sports being broken off from everything else while
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still funding uh, non revenue sports for the simple purposes
of being That's what I'm saying, is revenue sports off,
then you can pay the players. If you break revenue
sports off, then you can actually have players share in
the revenue and also kick revenue way too big a
piece piece of this pie goes back to administrators that
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don't need it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And and and I want to point that part out
is can we stop with the bs about complaining about
the transfer portal and NIL ruining sports?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
How can you complain about those things? Ruining sports.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How can you complain about those things ruining sports when
these conferences they move whenever they want to.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And so do your coaches, and so to your assistant coaches.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, but it's the players that are ruining everything. No,
they are just following suit.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yes, I learned it from watching you, dad, I learned
it from watching you.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes, why are you smoking weed? Sude? What are you
talking about? Dad?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You own a cannabis farm and you s talk weed
in the garage every single night.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
You know what? You know.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
One of the things that's most frustrating to me is
that the TV networks are treating college football like it's
the stock market. Stocks are not always reflective of the
value of the company. Stocks are reflective of what traders
are willing to pay and supply and demand.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So Texas is appealing to the SEC, not based on
what's been happening for the last decadeatly, but because of
their brand. Yep, because of their brand. That's why they're
appealing to the SEC.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yes, because Texas. Because Utah football has been better than
Texas football for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, overall, post Vince Young, the burnt Orange has just
been burnt Yeah, that twenty years is actually coming up. Yeah,
they're like eighteen years since the National championship, So in
two more years that statement I just said, it will
be a fact. If you were a baby in a
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diaper shitting yourself when Texas won the National championship, you
then got to grow up watching Texas put your diaper
on and shit itself for eighteen years. Like they've not
been good, but it doesn't matter because of the work
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they did already.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like what it's like USC, What is USC done since
Pete Carroll left?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Not a lot? They got a Heisman last year, but
that's you know what, Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
The last last year was like the the We're back
season for USC and Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
How many times does Texas had.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
A We're back season where where when they're at the
end of the year at the bowl game like we're back,
and then the next year there you're like, oh, they're
not back.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Uh. They have it every season, just like Nebraska. Just
like Nebraska, who the Big Ten wanted for their brand
value and who has not brought anything of value to
the Big Ten besides the loyalty of their fans, who
are getting screwed by being in appropriately placed in a conference,
which is can kept their athletic programs from functioning at
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the level that they used to function at. This is
one of the reasons why Notre Dame stays on their own.
That's why they stayed doing what worked for them.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Like it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
If you do risk for increasing your bottom line, you
do risk removing yourself from what made you successful, from
your identity. You risk those things. Now, when I look
at the teams that have moved, things were already bad
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enough in the Pac twelve that you know, I think
I said this on a couple other podcasts, and maybe
I said on Packed twelve Apostles last week. It's not
very often that your life raft is a yacht. And
for Washington, Oregon, UCLA, and USC that's exactly what this is.
Their life raft is. Yeah, they're going into a better situation,
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and I do believe that the teams will be able
to compete in the Big ten. But I also think
there's definitely gonna be it's gonna be a pretty it's
gonna be a pretty big shakeup.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh did you see the recruiting rankings?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So so twenty four to seven finally moved this week.
On Wednesday, they moved the twenty twenty four rankings from
the PAC twelve to the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Oh that makes it feel real, yeah, and to the
Big ten.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So Oregon, who was number one in the PAC twelve,
now Stanford is number one in the PAC twelve Oregon
States to Washington's three and cows four.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
In the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In the Big twelve, guess who has the highest recruiting
class on twenty four to seven. It's UCF because they
have nine four stars, and you have Arizona. Arizona has
the second highest rated class fascinating at with twenty commits
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at two point at two oh seven. And then the
next highest back twelve team so Texas Tech, Cincinnati, West Virginia,
and Kansas all have all have and Kansas with less
commits has a higher score than Arizona State. And then
you got to go all the way down. Colorado is
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number twelve, number twelve with Dion, and Utah is number thirteen.
I'm less worried about Utah because they do this literally
every single year where they're never at the top and
then they figure something. So I'm less concerned about Utah.
And then you go to the Big ten. These big
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brands go to the Big ten. Now, Oregon is the
highest rated Pac twelve team right now, and they are
number four behind Michigan State. I'm sorry, no excuse me,
behind Ohio State, who's number one and one of the
top in the country. Michigan number two, Penn State number three,
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Oregon four. Now, Penn State does have twenty four commits
versus Oregon's twenty two commits, so and Oregon has a
higher average, so technically if they had the same amount
of recruits, they would probably be higher. Oregon has fifteen
four star players and is in the running for a
couple of five stars, and USC is five with but
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does have a higher average with fifteen recruits. And then
you gotta go all the way down because remember we
gotta find UCLA and wash Washington's fifteen because remember Washington
was like their fans believe that they should be recruiting
in the top twenty five every single year. Ucla is sixteen.
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They're sitting right there right nestled up next to Indiana
and Northwestern. No coach Northwestern. So that means Rutgers, Maryland,
and Illinois right now are in front of Washington and UCLA.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
And remember.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
In the Pac twelve, their fans will tell you recruiting
rankings don't matter. They don't in the micro because you
can you can develop kids and all of that. However,
if you don't fit, if you don't have a blue
Chip rating over fifty percent, history shows you cannot win
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the national championship.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So you can talk to me about all of this,
and that means that your coaches are really good. You
can win games.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But if you want to talk about winning national championships,
you better talk about recruiting rankings.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, and you you can get in the door. You can.
You can get in the door TCU, TCU Cincinnati. You know,
you can get in the door without but you got
to have everything come together. You've got to have really
good players. And then it just so happens when you
do go up against the team that has thirty five
stars over a five class period, it's gonna be tough
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on you.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yep, but.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Are you ready for this, George? Yeah, In twenty twenty four,
the Big Twelve will have sixteen teams.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Okay, right, no, no, have eighteen teams?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
The Big twelve?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh no no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, sorry sorry,
these these these tens and twelves. When the math doesn't
add up is confusing sometimes I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
So if the Big twelve has sixteen teams in twenty
twenty four h it will be considered a power for
conference because I'm assuming even if Stanford and cal and
Washington State and Oregon State stay together, they bring up
the Mountain West, people aren't going to consider that a
power conference. So we we're currently in a situation where,
(40:17):
for the time being, we have a power for correct Yeah. Okay,
four major conferences. Four one of them has sixteen teams.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
How many two of them have sixteen teams? Because you
have right right now, the.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
SEC still has the sixteen teams.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Okay, how many five star recruits from the twenty twenty
three class, So this class that is just showing up
at school right now will be in that sixteen team
Big four conference. I want you to guess, give me
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a number. How many five star recruits?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And there are thirty two five star recruits in the
last class.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
For anybody who doesn't know, there are usually thirty two
five star recruits in every class. It is the rankings
companies rivals twenty four to seven on three. It's their
projection of who will eventually be a first round NFL
Draft pick. That's what five star means, doesn't mean greatest
high school player, doesn't mean going to be the greatest
college player of all time. There are projections to who
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they believe will eventually be a first round pick in
the NFL draft. Yes, So, how many from the class
of twenty twenty three amongst these sixteen teams in a
major power for college conference.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So just so everybody is clear, I mean, obviously everybody
knows that that's like UCF, Arizona, Utah. Well, there are
zero in the twenty twenty three class in any of
the teams that went to.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
The Big twelve out of the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
So between Kansas State, Kansas is, Texas Tech, Baylor, Uh,
you know that whole crew TCU, the answer is zero, Ralph.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
According to rivals, the answer is one where Cormani McClain
at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Oh way, Colorado. God dang it, I forgot about him.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Only flipped from Florida because of Dion yep so one
a major conference, And I think this will explain some
of the reason why some of the presidents were a
little bit hesitant on going to the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yes, because they were like we're back in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
The Yeah, the remaining Big twelve schools without Texas and
Oklahoma do not recruit blue chips. The schools that are
leaving the Pac twelve for the Big twelve are few
and far between on landing a blue chip.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yes, Arizona just landed their first. Well they they haven't
signed them yet, but they got a commitment from the
first five.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Star ever, right, Elijah Rushing.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Right, So this is first five star ever ever if
they if they sign him ever.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Right, And that means that somebody back in the day
messed up on Gronk. I'm gonna throw that out there,
but like the idea, and I pointed this out and
I was like, this is no.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
They didn't because he wasn't he wasn't a five star recruit.
I'm sorry, he wasn't a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Oh that's true. Yeah, he was hurt a lot too, right.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
But so the way, the way that I've been looking
at this is like, all right, so these these TV
networks are throwing a bunch of mid together and trying
to package them is something that that isn't isn't mid, right,
Like I think the viewership will be there and there's
still a huge appetite for for college football twelve ball
(44:01):
for sure. Do you remember that movie The Big Short yep,
Like where that where Ryan Gosling's character explains, like how
they bundle together these bad loans and then sell them
off and you should bet against them. Well, I pointed
that out and somebody on Twitter just had the most
awesome tweet. They said, Yeah, this is the big sport,
Like we're being served this thing and being told that
(44:27):
it's great when the truth is, it's still not on
the level of like of the sec or of the
Big Ten when it comes to the Big twelve, and
it's gonna it's gonna be really really interesting to see
if if you can convince recruits to be part of this,
to try to make it a more premier thing. But
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the idea that it's sixteen schools with one five star
recruit from the twenty twenty three class and maybe one
from the twenty twenty four class moving forward, like it's
still gonna be good football. But at you know, at
the end of the year, we're probably still gonna be
dealing with the teams that are bringing in you know,
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four to five five stars every single time and that's
why I'm not necessarily worried about Oregon in the Big Ten.
UCLA and you see, USC will be interesting because they're
going to potentially be the only way for a California athlete,
which is a top three high school recruiting ground in America,
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maybe top two. If you want to play in a
major conference in the state of California, you're only gonna
have two options.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yep, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
And in the thirty nine million person state, you're only
gonna have two options to play major college football as
part of a power conference, for sure, because Cal. You know,
Cal could find a home in the ACC, it doesn't
look like that's gonna happen. Stanford could find a home somewhere,
but you only have two choices. So I I think
I might have been selling UCLA short just based on
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that alone. I think these teams coming over will be competitive.
I think Washington will be as well. I think the
four teams going to the Big Ten will all be
in the top half of the Big Ten. I believe.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Now before we get out of here, we've got to
get get out of here quickly. But the let's talk
about quickly. Where the where col Stanford, Oregon State, and
Washington State land. Because Washington State is sad right now,
Oregon State is sad. There have been rumors floated about
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Washington State and Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
To the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Cal and Stafford to the acc where they're going to
have to do some sort of time travel to like
to like make the map work, because that map is
worse than the Big ten map.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Because at least they're fortunate.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Of Washington State President Pat Chun to call out Larry Scott.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Now, oh yeah, yeah, exact where where where where were
you when he was around here screwing everything up?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, that would have been a good time to speak up, Pat. Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
So, so, uh so, where do you think that? And
and we'll talk more about this at the beginning of
next week. But where do you think that they that
those schools end up.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Stanford's never going to be part of the Mountain West.
And I don't blame.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Them, nope, uh no, that doesn't fit.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, everybody else should jump in.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Jumping to jump into the Mountain West. Yes, oh no, bro,
I am trying to get into the if I am
Oregon State in Washington State, I am trying to get
into the big sport. I'm doing everything I can to
get into the big sport. I mean, I mean, I
know that they don't have SMU money. Where SMU is like,
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we will take a distribution for five years if you'll
take us. Do you realize how desperate that is?
Speaker 4 (48:06):
That's pretty wide.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
But but SMU would turn into a powerhouse quick. But
this is Oregon State. In Washington State's only hope. I
think Stanford ends up independent book it?
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, do you think so? Do you think Stanford would
be able to negotiate its own deal? I guess the
frustrating thing for me is, you're a high school football dad.
I'm a high school football dad. I'm a high school
football reporter. For twenty thousand dollars, you could stream your
athletic event on NFHS. Well could like this idea that
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like all these all.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
These and then produce your own stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, and most of these, most of these schools have
journalism schools. Yeah, a lot of the journalism students are
already the ones helping produce the content for stuff like
PAC twelve network. Like, there's nothing stopping Stanford from just
being like here's the Stanford Channel. Yeah, twenty three hours
of people arguing about climate science, followed by an hour
(49:10):
of volleyball.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well, we will pick this conversation up at the beginning
of next week.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I'm glad you guys are happy that PAC.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Twelve Apostles is back for its final season to be
reborn as something else. And you guys make sure that
you guys leave five star reviews wherever you listen to
your podcast and send us an email I'm mad at
unafraidshow dot com. And yeah, and you can text us.
I got to remember the phone number because it's been
a while, but peace out, Catch you guys later.
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans, This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only
the truth lives here Packed twelve Apostles.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Ams and and this is
the Pack twelve Apostles. So, Ralph, I think it's I mean,
can we say it's for sure? I mean, we already
announced it last show that this was our last season.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
This will not be our last podcast. We just have.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To rebrand this whole joint because we attached our name
to a bunch of people who the namesake of this show,
to a bunch of people who mismanaged everything. We went
with our heart and not with our head. And look
at where we are right now. And we went over
it last show, and I think we were one hundred
(01:05):
percent accurate. Ralph, when you asked me where did I
think everybody would end up? It was right you Cla
and obviously USC in the Big Ten, which was already announced,
Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten, and the Four
(01:26):
Corner Schools to the Big twelve. And where there's smoke,
there's fire. So how long have we been hearing about
the Four Corner schools to the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Ralph me, are we eight nine months? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I mean I went back and I was like, you know,
what were our internal discussions because ever since USC and
UCLA made the jump, you said that it's over, You
said that the conference is dead. You didn't want for
it to be that way, but that's just a way
that it was. And then you know, I checked our
(02:04):
text messages and you were like, Oregon is headed to
the Big ten. And that was like in September twenty
twenty two, so like you've you've you have seen this
for a while. We actually talked about this, you know,
back in uh twenty nineteen, when we fired this podcast
up for the first time, Like we were discussing if
(02:28):
they didn't get their stuff together, what could end up happening?
And here we are, and it's just it's all of
our worst fears realized. But you know, I kind of
feel like we're done morning, and we have packed twelve
presidents out here acting like you know that this was
in some way a surprise or a shock to them,
(02:51):
and I just don't even see how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Exactly exactly. And then you have people who have covered
the conference writing and I don't want to disparage them
because I understand that they were in a very.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Very unique situation.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
And this is mainly like Wilner and Canzono right, because
they are a good man trying to do the right
thing right, But they also are getting information from They
have a lot of access to the PAC twelfth presidents,
to the Commissioner, and to people who had a vested
(03:31):
interest in making things sound really really good in public. Yeah,
so they would get quotes, insider information, all of this
stuff from people who who wanted this to survive. And
the problem is is that from the outside, it was
(03:53):
like nobody was paying attention to the perception from the
outside and how poorly that things have been mismanaged under
Larry Michael Scott, and it was obvious.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That not get Like like when the when.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The SEC signed that new media deal with ESPN, that
was the one that scared me. I was like, the
PAC twelve has to get to the table because CBS
and Fox are going to as soon as those spots
are taken up. There's gonna be no room except for
(04:36):
that late window on ESPN. I was like, Bro, you
have to get back to the negotiating table. Asap and
that was the only way to save it. And did
Larry Scott do that? Nope, nodded all he was like, whoa, well,
we got to wait till the end of this thing.
But but but you saw you clearly didn't have to
wait to the end. At the SEC didn't wait till
(04:59):
the end the pact. They Big twelve clearly didn't wait
till the end. So even after the mistakes were already made,
it was like that there was some sort of it
was like the sunk cost fallacy. Oh well, we've invested
so much into the PAC twelve and networks. We got
(05:20):
to see this thing through. No you don't, No, you don't.
You can stop a reverse course. I've learned that in
my own damn life. Oh man, I've put so much
into that. No, throw that Throw that shit in the
trash bro It wasn't the right idea. And that's the
part that is troubling is that you have so many
(05:43):
articles now about where did we go wrong, instead of
while it was going wrong, writing here's how it's going wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yeah. It reminds me of do you remember watching and Idol?
Some people still watch it, Maybe it's still on. I
don't know, but like for the first few seasons, that
was like twenty million people a week watching this show.
And one of the things that would happen on this
show a show that really made it look like you
went to a tryout, got in line and then got
(06:16):
in front of like Simon col and Randy Jackson and
Paula Abduel. But that's not what it actually was. You
would go to a tryout, you would get in front
of some producers, and if they liked you, they'd put
you through some more rounds of producers to tell your
story and stuff like that, and then a week later, U,
(06:40):
Simon cow Paula Abduell, Randy Jackson, they'd fly into town
and you'd come back yep. And what they made it
look like is U.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Show follow people around exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
That's how you get these shots of people at their
home and stuff like that. But to producers, there's a
bunch of different producers. They're gonna make a decision on
who gets through to talk to the Big three. The
TV show doesn't air like that, but in reality that's
what's happening, and the producers will hear somebody sing poorly,
(07:14):
and if they believed that it was entertaining enough or
funny enough, or it would piss the judges off enough
to put this person through. Then they would let them through.
They'd come up with the whole backstory. And that's how
you end up with guys like William Hung singing she
bangs in front of you know, the judges, and then
becoming which is right, and then becoming like an international
(07:35):
sensation for being so bad. But some of these people
they yeah, But some of these people they put through
the judges genuinely believed they could sing and and and
the producers had to do this like delicate balance of
not tipping them off, because nobody in their life ever
let them know that whatever they hear when they sing
(07:58):
to themselves in the shower is actually terribly offensive to
the human ear. So you have these people walking in
in front of the judges and in full confidence, they'd
open up their mouth to sing Sam Cook, and then
Sam Cook would be rolling over in his grave from
how bad it was. Sometimes you'd have the judges laugh.
(08:18):
Sometimes you have the judges try to let these people
down carefully, and then sometimes Simon cow would just be like, what,
why in the hell did you ever think that you
could come out here in front of us, you know.
But as the viewer at home, that's why I say this.
As a viewer at home, you have twenty million people watching,
and all twenty million people know that this person that's
(08:42):
going to walk in front of the judges is headed
to the wood chipper. They all know it except for
that person. And that's what the PAC twelve negotiations felt
like to me. Everybody knew that the PAC twelve, based
on the landscape, was not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Viable, that they were headed to the wood chip. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, But then you had these PAC twelve presidents acting like,
oh my gosh, like what we came down to the
last minute and we had we had the chance, we
were in the room and we could have made it happen,
and it was Oregon's fault.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, and it was Oregon's fault. Dude.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Arizona had applied for admission to the Big twelve and
been accepted the night before, Like what what are we
And then they're like, well, we were gonna sign it.
What so you were going to back out after you
got voted in?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
So it just it cracks me up, like knowing that
you have the PAC twelve presidents that like walked out
of the room, you know, having not been presented with
a solid deal for over a year after USC and
UCLA decided to leave, thinking like oh wow, we really
weren't able to save the conference. That it must just
(10:04):
be a bad day. It must have just been a
bad bounce, Like no, no, no, no, well no, this
has been all bad all along.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And can we talk about the lead up to the
final Friday because.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was inevitable.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So so let's go back to the So Colorado leaves
and goes to the Big twelve PAC twelve realize like.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh snap, we gotta get on it, and then.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Arizona's thinking about going and then they're like, oh, we
got to present a deal today, okay, and that was
what Monday, And then you had either the previous Friday
or the Monday. You're like, okay, well they're leaving and okay,
so we got to present a deal. So they present
a deal that next day because Arizona was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So and then the deal that's been reported, so let's
talk about the details that have been reported that there
was a twenty three million dollars originally Lee it was
twenty million. Then there was going to be a twenty
three million dollar payment to each school every year from
Apple TV, which I'm a streamer. I love Apple TV.
(11:24):
Got no problem with Apple TV. Love it right.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
However, the feel this deal would have saved me probably
six hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, but no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So it wouldn't have had to have Sling.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, but there were multiple problems with the with the deal.
First thing is is they were like, oh, there are
escalators based upon the number of subscribers. And it's been
reported that at a million subscribers they would have gotten
that thirty one point seven million dollars that that the
Big twelve was offering. But then at five million subscribers
(12:00):
would have gotten over fifty million dollars. And you're like, wait,
but nobody knows how many subscribers is realistic. So you've
had people saying, well, the Pack twelve networks have fifteen
million subscribers. Know that's fifteen million, it's in fifteen million homes.
(12:22):
That's different because those people aren't actively subscribing to the
PAC twelve. It's just the PAC twelve networks. It's just
part of their basic cable package. Whereas if people who
are court cutters, it's not part of their basic package.
Prime example, the NFL networks. I'm sorry, the direct TV
(12:44):
NFL Sunday Ticket. How many people do you think subscribe
to that?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Ralph?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Actually you know the answer because you're on Twitter and
you follow me, and I think you said it too.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, I actually I actually don't know. I'm about to
subscribe to Sunday Ticket for the first time in my life.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So when it was on DirecTV instead of being on
YouTube TV, okay, two point four million people to the
to the NFL Sunday Ticket. Two point four million people, the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Biggest American sports subscription, yes, model product.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And NFL games do fifteen to sixteen million people on average.
And that's a baby game, Like that's like a normal
Sunday one o'clock eastern ten am game that you know
that people are still in church, people are sleeping, all
of that, Like that's a normal game. Primetime games twenty
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million plus and only two point four million people subscribe
to direct TV Sunday Ticket. So and that's the biggest
American sport by far. So with the SEC already taking
up the oxygen in the room, the big ten. How
many people do you think have paid for an ad
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on every month to watch Pack twelve sports. Do you
think it would have been closer to the one million
or the five million, or do you have no idea?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It wouldn't be anywhere near one million.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And I had this discussion with a lot of people
of like, hey, your favorite bar is probably not going
to subscribe to Apple if there are linear options.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Because they all have cable there, like you would have
to have a smart TV, which they probably do.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
All have smart t TV.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, but they're on a system and they all like
to use the remote all of this stuff, and you
think that they're going to instead use the regular TV
remote and.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Sift through apps.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, granted that's gonna happen in the next five ten years,
but right now that's not where we're at.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Right Well, so we're still in a situation where where
it's hard in a Pack twelve city to find establishments
with PAC twelve network. Still it is still that way. Yeah,
And what was frustrating me about having this argument with
a lot of people because a lot of people were like,
what are you talking about, Like, you could get Apple
TV on your phone you could screencast at a tailgate
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bars have no problem, Like you could get Apple TV anywhere.
They could figure this out. And I'm like, those are
all nice, like they could do those things, except we're
more than a decade into PAC twelve network, and I
don't know if you go out to establishments to try
to watch Pack twelve games. I still do, so it
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is very hard to find someone with Pack twelve network.
If you find someone with Pack twelve network, you better
help hope there's not another linear option that's being taken up.
And you have to deal with the fact that, like
you better hope the host is knows how to change
the channel yep, or that they'll just hand you the remote.
They have a hard enough time changing the channel at
some of these bars, especially if they get even a
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little bit busy. Switching in and out of apps is
not going to happen yet. You pointed that out. It's
not going to happen yet. The linear option is the
one with the lowest barrier of entry. And moreover, they're
probably not going to give up these late kickoff times
because that's their best option to get away from other
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people's linear options. To actually make the subscription service have value.
Here's the deal. The bars that would spring for Apple
TV are not like clubs that stay open till two
in the morning, where two different time zones would have
to be in order to have you know, people out
watching watching these these pack ten pack nine games. They
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close it like midnight for eleven thirty and you know,
or a round kickoff. So it like this idea that
businesses were going to carry a good chunk of the
base of some of these subscriptions and then it would
be made up by individuals after that.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And we're talking about the West.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's been lucky to have one hundred thousand, yes, exactly,
because when you create additional barriers to entry, people will
will will.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Find something else to do. Because see now, if the
SEC or the Big Ten, which don't have a perception problem,
right and the SEC the biggest, baddest football conference, and
it just matters more, and the Big Big ten, which
has the biggest fan bases and which does the best
TV ratings, if they went on Apple TV, which is
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essentially like a black hole for right now in the
in the short term, they would have no problem getting
a million subscribers, no problem, no problem, gets probably two
million subscribers because they sell out one hundred thousand seat
stadiums no problem weekend week out. Stanford can't get forty
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five percent of their stadium field on a regular basis.
Cal can't get fifty five percent of their stadium field
on a regular basis. USC only has gotten their stadium
field since they got Lincoln Riley the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We've seen pictures of that recently.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And what's a big part of what's contributing to the
drop off. A huge part of what's contributing to the
drop off is the fact that these games have not
been readily available to keep people interested. That's a big
part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a and we've talked about that, it's an availability problem,
and when you're not available. It allowed ESPN and Fox,
who were partners of the SEC Network, the ACC Network,
and the Big Ten to talk about you, even though
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that you were like their second tier choice. They are
literally owners of the ESPN's owners of the ACC Network
and the SEC Network, and the Fox owners of the
Big Ten. So who do you think that they are
going to pump up and give the most attention to
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the people that they're in bed with. So and Oregon
would get a lot of coverage on game day and
all of that stuff, but they were still in Washington
when they're good USC but you see the slights that
you taw would get talked with. Even Oregon and USA
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are oh man, they gotta win every single game. There's
no margin for error, no margin for error. And you
say that on television enough times. Guess what people believe, Ralph?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Well, of course, of course people people tend to believe that,
and a big part of that is people are not
seeing these teams in order to contrast those opinions.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The truth of the matter is, you know, there's a
lot of people watching Tennessee. Last year, a lot of
people watching Tennessee. Utah was on that level. They might
have lost to Florida, but they're on that level. Not
a lot of people watching Utah to be able to
see for themselves. Oh, Tennessee in Utah, like that's a
pretty even matchup. And people are talking about Tennessee's opportunity
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to play for a national championship. And then they're talking
about Utah needing to be perfect like no, like these
are really close.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
To the same team. Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so you know, here's here's one of the other
things that I want Pack twelve fans to wake up
to the reality of this idea. And Michael Crowe said it,
and there's a bunch of presidents that have spoken out
on this, But Michael crow said there were a lot
of forces at work, including the overlords of the media empire,
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that were driving a lot of this, and what he
means by this is the breaking up of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Oh it was. It was.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Sure, Sure, the TV networks drove some of this, But
here's the actual reality and the actual data that the
TV networks were looking at which would cause them to
not go deep into their pockets to keep the PAC
twelve alive. Last year, the highest rated game in each
conference that did not involve a team that's moving to
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a new conference this year. In the Big Ten it
was Michigan versus Ohio State seventeen point one four million
people watched that game. In the SEC, that was Tennessee
versus Georgia teen point zero six million people watched that game.
In the ACC it was NC State versus Clemson. Five
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million people tuned into that game. In the Big twelve,
where four PAC twelve schools are now headed TCU versus
Baylor pulled in four point three to five million. Do
you know what the highest rated PAC twelve game that
didn't involve UCLA or USC was last year?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
It was, for sure Oregon.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was Oregon versus Oregon State at three point five
to six million, which I believe happened on linear television. Yeah,
we're talking about the PAC twelve getting five million Apple subscribers,
when when the PAC twelve has not had a single
game in the last two years have five million viewers?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well a single Washington.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oregon twenty twenty one got close.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well a, you mean games amongst PAC twelve teams as
as opposed to them playing non conference games, because they
did have non conference games that rated higher than that.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
But that's what Apple would be buying, is PAC twelve
teams versus PAC twelve teams. For the most part, some
of these non cons will happen on linear and.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
So and I think that answers the question that Jeff
Schwartz even put out. It was like, wait, so the
so ESPN and Fox essentially are paying more, We're willing
to pay more for the PAC twelve as parts than
the PAC twelve as a as a as a whole,
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so basically that they think the brands are.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Worth more individually than they are collectively.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That which is also a mistake, which is also in
my opinion, it's a big mistake on their part, because
the parts are worth what they're worth in conjunction with
how they function according to the other parts.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, but that shows perception problem though, Ralph, that shows
that it's a perception problem. If if if they say,
all right, uh, the the Pac twelve apostles, We'll pay
you twenty million dollars, twenty three million dollars a year
for the pack twelve apostles plus however many subscribers that
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you get blah blah blah. Right, But then another network says, listen,
we'll pay Ralph will give you thirty one point seven
million dollars. George will give you forty some million dollars.
How does that make sense? We will pay you to
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break up. We will pay you more if you break up.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It doesn't, I do. I think it's short sighted on
the network's part. Not keeping the rivalries together is going
to diminish the value of your product because rivalries are
what people tune in for if they're casuals.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't think so. I think that people want to
see good quality. I think that there's a well, see,
it's tough because the rivalries do matter, right, but people
want to see and it's going to rate better on
television Oregon versus Michigan State, Oregon versus Ohio State, Oregon
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versus USC than it is Oregon versus Oregon State, even
though that that game actually means more to a lot
more people.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
If that makes sense, I.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Guess, I guess. All I know is college football is
made up of some of the biggest diehard fans you'll
ever meet, and then a bunch of people who have
degrees and families and lives and aren't dedicated to going
out to tailgates painting their face following recruiting rankings, who
just check in rivalry week around Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh, are we are headed to where college football is
jumping the shark? I just want to let everybody know
college football is about to jump the shark, because the
issue is now that it's become so dog eat dog
that every conference in every team is trying to be
the number one right that they that they want to
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get the most money, the most is the most that
the problem is is that this is the entertainment business.
And what has the NFL figured out.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We have thirty two teams, and if they each negotiated
their rights individually, the Cowboys would be by far, would be.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Georgia right in the SEC. You know.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's like the Cowboys, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Patriots, the Bears,
all negotiating their TV rights together, right yea.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And then you have.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
The smaller market teams Jacksonville where you have Jacksonville, Carolina,
you know, and whatever, the Houston Texans and another team
all negotiating their rights together.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Right, one is going to get way more than the other.
But the problem that that creates.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Is is that even though the Cowboys, still in the NFL,
are more valuable, they figured out, oh, if we work
together and negotiate our rights together, Yes, it does create
more parody and make it harder for the most valuable
team to win every single year. What it does is
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it creates a level playing field, which creates more parity,
which creates more interest in our sport. So the answer
is twofold. Chip Kelly had right when he talked about
it this week that football needs to break off from
every other sport that football needs to have its own
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independent situation, and then all the rest of the sports,
the Olympic sports can play regional ball for the most part.
And then of course like basketball. Of course people want
to see Gonzaga North Carolina in one off games, Duke
versus you know, Houston in one or Arizona and one
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off games. Everybody wants to see those days. But the
thing that we have to get to football being independent
that conference affiliation. Throw that out the window for the
entire school because football is unique to everything. It's got
way more scholarships, got travel is less everything because people
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talk about, oh my god, do you know how far
these football teams are going to be traveling?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dude, it doesn't matter. It's like six times a year.
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But for all the rest of the sports, all the
jimmy rigging that's gonna have to be done for the
student athletes.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
That's not cool.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, it's not. And you're in your and I guess
you're right, and Chip Kelly's right in that like having
football be the driver of where every other where, every
other sport ends up having to travel to play really
seems close to bumping up against the Title nine issue
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to me like a peripheral Title nine issue of like
football is getting money to be on TV. Therefore Oregon
softball has to go to Rutgers.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Why then, but but then football also pays for softball
to go to Rutgers.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Right right, But they don't want to go to Rutgers.
So it's like, thank you for being you know, you know,
thank you for funding this thing over funding this thing
that we that we don't even want to participate in.
So I do understand the appeal of having football being
broken off from everything else. I am personally a proponent
of revenue sports being broken off from everything else while
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still funding uh, non revenue sports for the simple purposes
of being That's what I'm saying, is revenue sports off,
then you can pay the players. If you break revenue
sports off, then you can actually have players share in
the revenue and also kick revenue way too big a
piece piece of this pie goes back to administrators that
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don't need it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
And and and I want to point that part out
is can we stop with the bs about complaining about
the transfer portal and NIL ruining sports?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
How can you complain about those things? Ruining sports.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How can you complain about those things ruining sports when
these conferences they move whenever they want to.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And so do your coaches, and so to your assistant coaches.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh, but it's the players that are ruining everything. No,
they are just following suit.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yes, I learned it from watching you, dad, I learned
it from watching you.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes, why are you smoking weed? Sude? What are you
talking about? Dad?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You own a cannabis farm and you s talk weed
in the garage every single night.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
You know what? You know.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
One of the things that's most frustrating to me is
that the TV networks are treating college football like it's
the stock market. Stocks are not always reflective of the
value of the company. Stocks are reflective of what traders
are willing to pay and supply and demand.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
So Texas is appealing to the SEC, not based on
what's been happening for the last decadeatly, but because of
their brand. Yep, because of their brand. That's why they're
appealing to the SEC.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yes, because Texas. Because Utah football has been better than
Texas football for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, overall, post Vince Young, the burnt Orange has just
been burnt Yeah, that twenty years is actually coming up. Yeah,
they're like eighteen years since the National championship, So in
two more years that statement I just said, it will
be a fact. If you were a baby in a
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diaper shitting yourself when Texas won the National championship, you
then got to grow up watching Texas put your diaper
on and shit itself for eighteen years. Like they've not
been good, but it doesn't matter because of the work
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they did already.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like what it's like USC, What is USC done since
Pete Carroll left?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Not a lot? They got a Heisman last year, but
that's you know what, Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
The last last year was like the the We're back
season for USC and Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
How many times does Texas had.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
A We're back season where where when they're at the
end of the year at the bowl game like we're back,
and then the next year there you're like, oh, they're
not back.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Uh. They have it every season, just like Nebraska. Just
like Nebraska, who the Big Ten wanted for their brand
value and who has not brought anything of value to
the Big Ten besides the loyalty of their fans, who
are getting screwed by being in appropriately placed in a conference,
which is can kept their athletic programs from functioning at
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the level that they used to function at. This is
one of the reasons why Notre Dame stays on their own.
That's why they stayed doing what worked for them.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Like it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
If you do risk for increasing your bottom line, you
do risk removing yourself from what made you successful, from
your identity. You risk those things. Now, when I look
at the teams that have moved, things were already bad
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enough in the Pac twelve that you know, I think
I said this on a couple other podcasts, and maybe
I said on Packed twelve Apostles last week. It's not
very often that your life raft is a yacht. And
for Washington, Oregon, UCLA, and USC that's exactly what this is.
Their life raft is. Yeah, they're going into a better situation,
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and I do believe that the teams will be able
to compete in the Big ten. But I also think
there's definitely gonna be it's gonna be a pretty it's
gonna be a pretty big shakeup.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh did you see the recruiting rankings?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So so twenty four to seven finally moved this week.
On Wednesday, they moved the twenty twenty four rankings from
the PAC twelve to the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Oh that makes it feel real, yeah, and to the
Big ten.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So Oregon, who was number one in the PAC twelve,
now Stanford is number one in the PAC twelve Oregon
States to Washington's three and cows four.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
In the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In the Big twelve, guess who has the highest recruiting
class on twenty four to seven. It's UCF because they
have nine four stars, and you have Arizona. Arizona has
the second highest rated class fascinating at with twenty commits
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at two point at two oh seven. And then the
next highest back twelve team so Texas Tech, Cincinnati, West Virginia,
and Kansas all have all have and Kansas with less
commits has a higher score than Arizona State. And then
you got to go all the way down. Colorado is
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number twelve, number twelve with Dion, and Utah is number thirteen.
I'm less worried about Utah because they do this literally
every single year where they're never at the top and
then they figure something. So I'm less concerned about Utah.
And then you go to the Big ten. These big
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brands go to the Big ten. Now, Oregon is the
highest rated Pac twelve team right now, and they are
number four behind Michigan State. I'm sorry, no excuse me,
behind Ohio State, who's number one and one of the
top in the country. Michigan number two, Penn State number three,
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Oregon four. Now, Penn State does have twenty four commits
versus Oregon's twenty two commits, so and Oregon has a
higher average, so technically if they had the same amount
of recruits, they would probably be higher. Oregon has fifteen
four star players and is in the running for a
couple of five stars, and USC is five with but
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does have a higher average with fifteen recruits. And then
you gotta go all the way down because remember we
gotta find UCLA and wash Washington's fifteen because remember Washington
was like their fans believe that they should be recruiting
in the top twenty five every single year. Ucla is sixteen.
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They're sitting right there right nestled up next to Indiana
and Northwestern. No coach Northwestern. So that means Rutgers, Maryland,
and Illinois right now are in front of Washington and UCLA.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
And remember.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
In the Pac twelve, their fans will tell you recruiting
rankings don't matter. They don't in the micro because you
can you can develop kids and all of that. However,
if you don't fit, if you don't have a blue
Chip rating over fifty percent, history shows you cannot win
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the national championship.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So you can talk to me about all of this,
and that means that your coaches are really good. You
can win games.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
But if you want to talk about winning national championships,
you better talk about recruiting rankings.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah, and you you can get in the door. You can.
You can get in the door TCU, TCU Cincinnati. You know,
you can get in the door without but you got
to have everything come together. You've got to have really
good players. And then it just so happens when you
do go up against the team that has thirty five
stars over a five class period, it's gonna be tough
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on you.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yep, but.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Are you ready for this, George? Yeah, In twenty twenty four,
the Big Twelve will have sixteen teams.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Okay, right, no, no, have eighteen teams?
Speaker 4 (39:44):
The Big twelve?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh no no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, sorry sorry,
these these these tens and twelves. When the math doesn't
add up is confusing sometimes I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
So if the Big twelve has sixteen teams in twenty
twenty four h it will be considered a power for
conference because I'm assuming even if Stanford and cal and
Washington State and Oregon State stay together, they bring up
the Mountain West, people aren't going to consider that a
power conference. So we we're currently in a situation where,
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for the time being, we have a power for correct Yeah. Okay,
four major conferences. Four one of them has sixteen teams.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
How many two of them have sixteen teams? Because you
have right right now, the.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
SEC still has the sixteen teams.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Okay, how many five star recruits from the twenty twenty
three class, So this class that is just showing up
at school right now will be in that sixteen team
Big four conference. I want you to guess, give me
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a number. How many five star recruits?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And there are thirty two five star recruits in the
last class.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
For anybody who doesn't know, there are usually thirty two
five star recruits in every class. It is the rankings
companies rivals twenty four to seven on three. It's their
projection of who will eventually be a first round NFL
Draft pick. That's what five star means, doesn't mean greatest
high school player, doesn't mean going to be the greatest
college player of all time. There are projections to who
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they believe will eventually be a first round pick in
the NFL draft. Yes, So, how many from the class
of twenty twenty three amongst these sixteen teams in a
major power for college conference.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So just so everybody is clear, I mean, obviously everybody
knows that that's like UCF, Arizona, Utah. Well, there are
zero in the twenty twenty three class in any of
the teams that went to.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
The Big twelve out of the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
So between Kansas State, Kansas is, Texas Tech, Baylor, Uh,
you know that whole crew TCU, the answer is zero, Ralph.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
According to rivals, the answer is one where Cormani McClain
at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Oh way, Colorado. God dang it, I forgot about him.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Only flipped from Florida because of Dion yep so one
a major conference, And I think this will explain some
of the reason why some of the presidents were a
little bit hesitant on going to the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yes, because they were like we're back in the Pac twelve.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
The Yeah, the remaining Big twelve schools without Texas and
Oklahoma do not recruit blue chips. The schools that are
leaving the Pac twelve for the Big twelve are few
and far between on landing a blue chip.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yes, Arizona just landed their first. Well they they haven't
signed them yet, but they got a commitment from the
first five.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Star ever, right, Elijah Rushing.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Right, So this is first five star ever ever if
they if they sign him ever.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Right, And that means that somebody back in the day
messed up on Gronk. I'm gonna throw that out there,
but like the idea, and I pointed this out and
I was like, this is no.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
They didn't because he wasn't he wasn't a five star recruit.
I'm sorry, he wasn't a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Oh that's true. Yeah, he was hurt a lot too, right.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
But so the way, the way that I've been looking
at this is like, all right, so these these TV
networks are throwing a bunch of mid together and trying
to package them is something that that isn't isn't mid, right,
Like I think the viewership will be there and there's
still a huge appetite for for college football twelve ball
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for sure. Do you remember that movie The Big Short yep,
Like where that where Ryan Gosling's character explains, like how
they bundle together these bad loans and then sell them
off and you should bet against them. Well, I pointed
that out and somebody on Twitter just had the most
awesome tweet. They said, Yeah, this is the big sport,
Like we're being served this thing and being told that
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it's great when the truth is, it's still not on
the level of like of the sec or of the
Big Ten when it comes to the Big twelve, and
it's gonna it's gonna be really really interesting to see
if if you can convince recruits to be part of this,
to try to make it a more premier thing. But
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the idea that it's sixteen schools with one five star
recruit from the twenty twenty three class and maybe one
from the twenty twenty four class moving forward, like it's
still gonna be good football. But at you know, at
the end of the year, we're probably still gonna be
dealing with the teams that are bringing in you know,
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four to five five stars every single time and that's
why I'm not necessarily worried about Oregon in the Big Ten.
UCLA and you see, USC will be interesting because they're
going to potentially be the only way for a California athlete,
which is a top three high school recruiting ground in America,
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maybe top two. If you want to play in a
major conference in the state of California, you're only gonna
have two options.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yep, that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
And in the thirty nine million person state, you're only
gonna have two options to play major college football as
part of a power conference, for sure, because Cal. You know,
Cal could find a home in the ACC, it doesn't
look like that's gonna happen. Stanford could find a home somewhere,
but you only have two choices. So I I think
I might have been selling UCLA short just based on
(46:04):
that alone. I think these teams coming over will be competitive.
I think Washington will be as well. I think the
four teams going to the Big Ten will all be
in the top half of the Big Ten. I believe.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Now before we get out of here, we've got to
get get out of here quickly. But the let's talk
about quickly. Where the where col Stanford, Oregon State, and
Washington State land. Because Washington State is sad right now,
Oregon State is sad. There have been rumors floated about
(46:34):
Washington State and Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
To the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Cal and Stafford to the acc where they're going to
have to do some sort of time travel to like
to like make the map work, because that map is
worse than the Big ten map.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Because at least they're fortunate.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Of Washington State President Pat Chun to call out Larry Scott.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Now, oh yeah, yeah, exact where where where where were
you when he was around here screwing everything up?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, that would have been a good time to speak up, Pat. Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
So, so, uh so, where do you think that? And
and we'll talk more about this at the beginning of
next week. But where do you think that they that
those schools end up.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Stanford's never going to be part of the Mountain West.
And I don't blame.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Them, nope, uh no, that doesn't fit.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, everybody else should jump in.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Jumping to jump into the Mountain West. Yes, oh no, bro,
I am trying to get into the if I am
Oregon State in Washington State, I am trying to get
into the big sport. I'm doing everything I can to
get into the big sport. I mean, I mean, I
know that they don't have SMU money. Where SMU is like,
(47:59):
we will take a distribution for five years if you'll
take us. Do you realize how desperate that is?
Speaker 4 (48:06):
That's pretty wide.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
But but SMU would turn into a powerhouse quick. But
this is Oregon State. In Washington State's only hope. I
think Stanford ends up independent book it?
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, do you think so? Do you think Stanford would
be able to negotiate its own deal? I guess the
frustrating thing for me is, you're a high school football dad.
I'm a high school football dad. I'm a high school
football reporter. For twenty thousand dollars, you could stream your
athletic event on NFHS. Well could like this idea that
(48:44):
like all these all.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
These and then produce your own stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, and most of these, most of these schools have
journalism schools. Yeah, a lot of the journalism students are
already the ones helping produce the content for stuff like
PAC twelve network. Like, there's nothing stopping Stanford from just
being like here's the Stanford Channel. Yeah, twenty three hours
of people arguing about climate science, followed by an hour
(49:10):
of volleyball.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Well, we will pick this conversation up at the beginning
of next week.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
I'm glad you guys are happy that PAC.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Twelve Apostles is back for its final season to be
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a while, but peace out, Catch you guys later.
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