Patriots Pregame Show 11/9: Patriots at Buccaneers Preview

Tune-in as Kwani, Paul and Deuce preview the Patriots Week 10 matchup against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They share their keys to the game, matchups to watch, and predictions as Drake Maye and Baker Mayfield attempt to solidify their running in the MVP race. Plus, they review each team's inactives reports, and its implications on the game.

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Speaker 7 (01:01):
So what are you two expecting from this game? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
I think an interesting challenge this week.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
No remondros Stevenson for second week in a row, and
now you have Keishan Bouti out as well, so some
challenges around Drake May. Like to see him, you know,
kind of regain the stride that he had in the
first half last week against the Falcons. Someone felt like
he got off kilter a little bit there and struggled
to get back on track.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
So you know, I think the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Need him, and of course on the midst of an
incredible season, hopefully he can get back on track. But
tough challenge today, good Bucks defense, a lot of experience there,
but that's what I'm watching today.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Let's get Drake back and rolling.

Speaker 8 (01:34):
Yeah, and the protection specifically, and I know a lot
of people have talked about how many of these sacks
have been on Drake May. Drake May himself has sort
of taking responsibility, which I think is another really positive
sign of your quarterback being the leader that.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
He needs to be.

Speaker 8 (01:48):
He's trying to deflect any attention off that offensive line
and put it on himself, which I think is a
good thing. But what I'm really interested in is, I
think so much of this success offensively guys. It's been
a result of Drake May being able to hold the
ball and extend some of these plays and make off
platform throws. There's a fine line there. I know Josh

(02:09):
McDaniels is searching for it. I know Drake May searching
for it. I hope that the offense doesn't take a
hit as a result of trying to drop the number
of sacks a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
So, you know, I think it comes with experience.

Speaker 8 (02:21):
I think Drake we'll learn it, and so far every
test that he's needed to pass along the way this season,
he's been able to do. So I'd be curious to
see if he can do that again today.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, a little bit of a longline with what Josh
McDaniels said this week of you you don't want to
restrict him. You want him to make plays and to
be comfortable, you know, doing the magic that makes Drake special.
But at the same time, I think when we really
saw him at his absolute peak of you know, over
the last few weeks, it's been staying in the pocket,
making a subtle move, delivering the ball to was second,
third option, and as we talked about this week on

(02:51):
Patriots Unfiltered, I think last week he got a little
bit sped up, a little bit away from that more. No,
it's not there, I'm going to tuck and run. So
you know, it's just it's a great check challenge because
not only are the Bucks defense experienced and you know,
throw a lot at you, there's not a lot of
keys to key off of with this defense. He's also
got to do it without Booty, who has been, you know,
not a high volume receiver but has come through with

(03:12):
some really big catches that have changed the complexion of games.
And you know, we talked about it so much, Paul
over the last few weeks. Of big part of this
win streak is the big plays, the plays down the
field that offset some of the mistakes.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Are they still going to have the.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Setting the sacks? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (03:25):
So everybody looks in this six and I'm not suggest
that this is ideal to be sacked six times, but
if you're taking a couple of sacks here and there,
but you're able to also hold the ball a little
longer and get a forty yard completion of Tamario Douglas
because on the one time that you held it.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
They didn't get this to the sack.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
That's been a big part I think of their success offensively,
and I think that that is something that I don't
want to lose from the offense. I don't know how
much they can just sort of line up and play traditionally.
You know, they've had some plays, you know, like the
thirty nine yard touchdown of Booty against Cleveland in the
second half was beautiful pocket right, you know, just gets

(04:10):
on his back foot, throw us up, bang touchdown. So
I'm not suggesting they haven't had any conventional offense this year.
They've had plenty of it, but a lot of those
explosive plays come when Drake may is moving around buying time,
extending plays and the receivers are adjusting accordingly downfield. I
don't want to lose that element of the offense. I
think that's been a big part of the success. Just

(04:30):
a piggyback on that.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know, been talking all season about Kyle Williams, been
waiting in the wings, seeing going back I think till
week one where people go back and look at his
five snaps and be like there's.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Some separation in there.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know, you get them under the microscope, trying to
like find if there's something there, and I do think
that he has that burst, but you've been seeing some
of the missing chemistry between him and Drake May, which
I don't think is uncommon. I mean, this is a
younger guy who's not getting the volume of reps that
any of the other receivers have gotten. But you might
look at this game today without caseh Booty is an
opportunity for Kyle Winn is playing on the outside a

(05:02):
little bit. You know, Paul said it no numerous times
that there's been various times you've seen Drake look his
way doesn't quite look right. It seems like, hey, he
wanted you to stop, or he wanted you to go.
Ball's going this way, the receiver's going the other way.
So I think Kyle WiM's definitely a guy to keep
an eye on today.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Yeah, to your point, we mentioned Booty being out with
that hamstring that's still aggravating him. But on the run
in the run game, who do you first see as
the number one target today?

Speaker 9 (05:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I think I like the way you put it number
one target because look, and Patriots are not the Detroit
Lions for sure.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
But we saw little.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Something with Traveon Henderson last week over the last few weeks,
we've seen a little bit from treveon getting in space,
attacking the edges of a defense. And you know, when
you look at that game against Detroit, they really had
a good time with Jamiir Gibbs getting him in space.
I don't know if the Patriots are able to reproduce that,
but it's hard to say, let's run right up the
middle at Vita Villa, who's just an absolute monster in

(05:55):
the middle of that defense. So I think it's one
of those weeks where you don't have Mondra Stevenson. You
got to figure out how to piece it together without him.
But getting Trevian Henderson out in space screen game, you know,
using him more as a receiver to attack the perimeter
of this defense, I think that could be a successful
way to go about it.

Speaker 8 (06:13):
And even if you're going to run the ball, that's
how you want to run because you don't want to
test him inside.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
You don't want to go at Vea. So this might
be one of those deals.

Speaker 8 (06:21):
Yeah, it's not ideal to be missing Rimondre Stevenson, but
this game really doesn't line up for his strengths anyway.
I think your point, Mike about getting Henderson off the
edges the way they did against say, Cleveland a couple.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Of weeks ago, might be the better way to go
about things.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah sure, all right, Well, no, no need to wait.
There's so many things that they're going to need to
do to win this game. So let's get into the keys.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
Of the game.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
You waited all week for.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
The whole team's in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're going to say.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Here are this week's keys to the game.

Speaker 7 (06:55):
Already use a first.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Start us off, So my mind's little bit defensive focused,
and I don't want to you a defensive guy defens.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I also try to balance the keys out so we're
not all saying the same thing, because I think a
lot of times we have you know, especially Paul and I,
we talk all week about this and sometimes you know,
we have the same he.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Does, so I like to round it out. But this week,
I'd like.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
To see a little bit more man defense from the
Patriots defense. I think that's what we all thought it
was going to be when Carlton Davis signed here. You know,
you have Christian Gonzalez, Marcus Jones, hey se defensive player
of the Month that you know in November. So, uh,
the Patriots have to figure out a way to challenge
some of these quick throws. I think quarterbacks are completing
a lot of passes on them. You know, you look

(07:38):
at the overall stats that I like to keep track
of pressure rate, all that kind of stuff, and you know,
the Patriots defense looked pretty good, but I think that
there is some room in the margins for them to
improve and put a little bit more pressure on on offenses,
especially Baker Mayfield, who's such a difficult player, especially you
know on third down.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
He makes plays on the run. You know, he can
throw it late in the down.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
So I think the patriotsould love to see them just
really lean into their cornerback coverage with those top three
corners that they have.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Tampa Bay is very banged up at wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
You have to respect at BUCA at the top of
that list, But overall, I think the Patriots have the
horses this week to really play a heavy dough and
man defense, which they really haven't done over the past
few weeks. Might be fed into playing a lot of
young quarterbacks. This isn't a young quarterback, this is Baker Mayfield.
He knows how to win, So I'd like to see
more aggressive in the coverage this week.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
Man defense up.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
So I think that's a great one.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
And I think we talked a little bit when I
did my pregame hit on the Sports Hub about Abuca
and Christian Gonzales. You know, possibly you know, lining up
and matching up today. That would lend itself to what
you're saying, Mike is maybe get a little more aggressive
with your courage and go man. And and I do
worry a little bit about Baker Mayfield, you know, doing

(08:53):
that because that I think that you know, he's not
a great runner, he's a great sort.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Of gamer grambler. Yeah, he's a good.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Scrambler or he's not a great athlete, but he maximizes
his ability in those situations and he has success in them.
But I like Mike's key for me, this is going
to come on the other side of the ball again.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Mike and I talk.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yeah, So it's I think this is an opportunity for
Drake to you know, as I said earlier, you know
usually this season when there's been something that's been an issue,
maybe he's you know, first game of the year. Well,
it didn't seem like he was running with conviction. You know,
he wasn't making decisions. He was kind of tentative. The
next week, that's all gone against Miami, you know, and

(09:33):
then it's like, well, you know, I'd like to see
him maybe, you know, stay in the pocket a little
bit longer. And we've seen every step along the way
he's been able to adjust and address quote unquote the issues.
This is another opportunity. You've been sacked six times each
of the last two games, by all accounts, including his own,
some of them have been on him. So I assume

(09:56):
he's gonna he's gonna correct some of that stuff. Had
a tough second half against that Atlanta. I expect him
to bounce back and I'll play Mayfield, That's what you know,
just like Drake needs to bake. Yeah, you know, he
needs to be better than Baker Mayfield today. This isn't,
I think, an opportunity for him to show that progress
that he's done every step of the way continue that today.
This is going to come down to protection. In past protection,

(10:18):
he needs to help out his offensive line a little bit.
Tampa is getting after the passer, all passers, all rushes
have been getting after Drake May as of late. So
that's to me going to be the key to the
game is how well they're able to protect him. And
I think it comes down to May himself.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, and how does May. I mean, we've watched the
last few weeks. Last week, Atlanta very hungry to get
to Drake in the pocket. But what do you two
think he needs to do in order to just like
really avoid getting blitzed so much?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, well, I mean I think he's It's tough because
we I mean we had this like philosophical conversation like
what is the blitz really because Atlanta only rushed four
or five guys last week, so it wasn't like, you know,
these six and seven man blitz is that he's reading.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
It's you know, it's only the difference of one guy.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
So uh, for him, it's again it goes to me,
just subtle steps in the pocket, you know, by knowing
you have that extra time. What we saw this summer
was a Drake that was a little bit more like
we saw in the second half last week, where it
was you know, as Evan likes to say, Evan Lazar
one and run and you know he can't do that
there are guys open, and I think that if he

(11:22):
has the confidence in his offensive line, you know, sometimes it.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Just feels like he gets sped up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think that happens to a lot of young quarterbacks,
so I don't think it's you know, entirely out of
the norm. I'd like to see the return this week
to Paul's point of the cool, calm, collected drake in
the pocket, who can take a subtle step to his right,
get to his second read and hit the open receivers.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
I just like to see him throw the ball away
a little bit. I you know, I did, you know
the whole time I didn't.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Take it sacks right, like, just get down.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Sometimes the numbers are you know, unbelievable, you know, in
terms of completion percentage. I'd be more than happy if
it turned out to be, you know, sixty five percent
instead of seventy five percent. Only instead of six sacks,
it's two sacks. Just throw those balls away and live
to fight another down. And I know that a lot
of those sacks haven't been for big yardage, but I

(12:07):
do think the cumulative effect of the hits eventually is
gonna have an impact for sure. So yeah, I'd just
like to see some of that go down a little bit.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
But that's my biggest concern.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's just the cumulative effective hits and how sustainable is this.
But you know, it's the kind of thing where last
week you saw the strip sack and it's a fine line.
You walk with a quarterback like this who's big and
athletic and has confidence in his legs and that he
you know, we've seen him plenty of times get away
from would be tacklers this year. But you also have
to know on that edge when it's time to, hey,

(12:39):
get down, you're in risk of a turnover here, and
this is the point in the game where it's still
in the balance and we really don't need a turnover.
So look, the kid is still young man. He's twenty
two starts right now, so you know, it's part of
the process. But a little bit of a dip last week.
Like to see it back on the up and up
this week.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
Absolutely, so my key to the game.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
It's funny because technically this one should have been against
Atlanta because crime Mob is from Atlanta, so it's knuck
if you buck, mainly playing off the Buccaneers, but really
the song if you know it. It's really based off
of like that gritty like square up if you're ready
to fight. And I think this is going to be
a fight for the Patriots this week, obviously on both
sides of the ball. But we talk about they're running
a six game wins shape right now. They've proven that

(13:17):
they can be a confident, physical team under the coaching
of Mike Vrabel. But this is gonna be a battle
of the trenches, I think. And we talk about the
defense led by Veya and David. They've been stingy against
the run. We talk about getting offensively started early, allowing
just under ninety five rushing yards per game, So offensively,
what can you do to avoid that? But then also
on the other end of the ball, just understanding what

(13:39):
breaker Mayfield brings to the team and how their offense
has been running smoothly as well.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
Both sides of the ball. Is gonna be a.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Gritty fight, So not if you buck. The Patriots need
to really come out and be ready to fight this one.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah. I like to fight, I mean I do.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I feel like this game is going to come down
to a couple mistakes in the second half by one
of the teams that is probably going to be what
causes it. You know, just love to see the Patriots
not turn the ball over today, I think on the
road it's such a big key. I think they have
the pieces on defense to match up with what Mayfield
has left offensively, but it's still just a great chance.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
This is a good team. This is a tough place
to play.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You know, they're maybe not the pinnacle of the league
right now, but they are a very solid team with
a veteran quarterback, which is different than what we've seen,
you know what, the last month, it's been all kind.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Of first year starters, rookie quarterbacks, that kind of thing.
So get to see the Patriots defense.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Go up with a quarterback with a little bit of savvy,
admittedly missing a good chunk of his very good weapons.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, Bucky Irving's a guy we.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Should mention too, who you know, without him, they're going
to lean into Rashad White. Patriots run defense has been
really good. So signs to me are pointing it's going
to be a lot on Baker Mayfield and can they
force him into some mistakes?

Speaker 8 (14:45):
Yeah, Mike and I kind of are envisioning more of
a lower scoring game, a lot of people have talked
about this being a shootout.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'd be surprised if if they.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
Got, say, both teams got over twenty five, which to
me represents shootout stata. You know, once you start getting
to the thirties, that that's a high scoring game. But
I'm looking twenty four to twenty, you know, twenty one seventeen,
something like that, you know, And I agree with Mike.
I think it's going to come down to a couple
of plays late. This game could go either way.

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Welcome back into the Patriots Pregame Show fueled by Duncan.
Before the break, we asked the question what exactly do
the Patriots need to do to win? So I pose
it to you both, but all so in the same
vein what matchups are you looking forward to in this one?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, I'd start with Trevian Henderson and what kind of
life they're able to get in the run game.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
I mean, I think Paul made a good point of
it can't all be the Drake Show a little bit,
it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
They need to round things out a little bit, and
it's not easy when you're missing arguably you know, your
two best weapons this season. So I'd like to see
what they're able to get going in that run game.
Are they you know, do they test the middle of
the field with Terrell Jennings try to get some movement inside,
or do they you know, do what they did last
week and have kind of a game plan specific approach.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
So you know, for me, it starts with the with
that and just trying to take some of the pressure
off of Drake.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I just you know, you love that he's like an
MVP candidate, but at the same time, MVP candidates are
the ones doing it all themselves without the extra parts
to really help them along the way. So, you know,
I don't have high expectations that they're going to find
like a second gear in this particular game. But if
they somehow were able to find that and not have
to lean on Drake, it's not going to come down
we all right, Drake, it's all on you today.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
I think that'd be a great sign for this yah.

Speaker 8 (18:56):
You know, the inactives that were you know, most of
the meaningful actives were already announced on Friday, so you know,
you know about the Patriots, but there's an important one
on the Bucks side that hasn't really been talked about.
That's a Son Reddick And you know all those sacks
that the Bucks have been racking up fifteen in the
last three games. That's their best pass rusher and he's

(19:17):
he's not part of this equation. I do think that's
the key matchup that I that I would have my
eye on is the ability for that Patriots offensive line
to give Drake enough time. But I think that's a
that's an issue. You know, when you give up six
sacks and consecutive games. The other team that you plays
got fifteen sacks in the last three, no.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Fewer than four in any of those three games.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
So it's not like they had, you know, ten in
one game and it excus the numbers. It was like six,
four and five or something like that.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's going to be a key.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
If the Patriots, you know, get sacked constantly in this game,
it's going to be hard to maintain any kind of
offensive continuity.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
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Speaker 7 (20:16):
Caller, Patty and Agawam, how are you? We don't pick favorites, nobody, No, that's.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
For sure, Patty, I don't have favorite.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I just wanted to go for a couple of things
for me, like the biggest, The biggest matchup has to
be Stefan Diggs against the Buck secondary because, like much
like the last big game that we played this year,
I think if you want to have any sort of
downfield game, it has to go through Digs. Just because
he's our he's our best receiver, he's our most probably

(20:49):
our most consistent, and our most experienced guy. To ask
Williams to have a big you know, have a big
game downfield, I think is asking a little bit too
much for a rookie. Spotlight is probably like getting the
most snaps that he's going to have in a game
this season. Paul, you talked about spots during the week
and to me, I think this is I think this

(21:12):
is a good spot for the past because you look
at the injury report, the Bucks are super banged up,
and I think a sneaky, low key thing that's flying
under the radar is Baker with his oblique injury and
the last game that we saw him play.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, he's not even on the injury report anymore. Though
I don't think that's a factor. That's an injury that
he had before the bye, and I think he might
come out and play a terrible game today, I don't
think it's going to be because of any injuries.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
He's had two weeks to rest.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
I agree with you, Patty, that there's been a lot
of focus and right we saw. I mean, we focus
on our local team, the Patriots, and they have three guys,
you know, three starters that are out, but there's been
very little focus on the amount of Bucks injuries. But
I feel like they've they've dealt with that all year.
They've had a lot of injuries all season. They haven't
really been healthy for most of the year. The difference

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being the Patriots are just starting to deal with that.
And Jonathan Taylor looks like you just took one about
eighty yards to put the Colts I had with about
six minutes left, and as a great high school announcer
one said, and there ain't no flags eighty three yards
to be exact.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
My last thing is I love Mike's key to the game.
We can't just be great at stopping the run. At
some point, like the Buffebo game, we have to see
the marriage of the past rush and the secondary, like
you know, kind of congeal and and work is won
because it's it hasn't been great. It hasn't been consistent

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so far this year. And I think, like even with
this banged up Bucks offensive crew, you know, I think
if the Bucks were fully healthy, I would definitely pick
them to win. But with all the guys being out,
I just I just think we're catching the Bucks at
the right time. And Paul, it always works out for
the path.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, I love. I love your point there, Patty.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
The coverage in the in the rush, I think that's
something that's been lacking.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I think Rabe's sort of alluded to it. They haven't.

Speaker 8 (23:12):
They've had times where they've rushed it reasonably well, and
they've had times where they've covered it reasonably well, and
they haven't seemed to been able to do that together.
I think that is a good, good key to the game.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, it's one of those things where the stats point
one direction, but when you watch the games and you
have a feel for the games, it just feels like
quarterbacks are not.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Uncomfortable with this defense when they throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know, running backs are uncomfortable, but the quarterbacks are not.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Quarterbacks just seem even when there's solid pressure rate and
all that kind of you know, stat mumbo jumbo, it's
just it never feels like they're not you know, forcing
a lot of takeaways. It just seems like the young
quarterbacks and maybe that's a function of they're more content
over the last month to play zone against these guys
and sit back and challenge them to execute consistently without mistakes.

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But what we've seen is that they have been able
to execute consistently in the games have maybe been a
little bit you know.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
More close than you would think. So love to see that.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I also just like to you know, you mentioned Diggs
and you know Jamal deanis is really having a great
season to somebody who you know, three interceptions in the
last five games to force fumbles in the last five games.
He's a really active cornerback, so you know, keep an
eye out for him on Stefan.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
So I want to ask the key question that I
can't believe Mike hasn't even brought up yet. As we
get our look at the warm ups, you're all blue,
mic change.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Out the road.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, okay, are you all right against Buffalo on the
war broad You will win, so I like, you know
when they win, You like any any uniform works for
me when they're winning.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yeah, we have a live look right now Drake May
on the field. Josh McDaniel's just had a little chat
with him ahead of this one. We got an email
from Kakar and Jackson the car with Booty al what's
more likely? We talked about this a little bit already.
Pop Douglas has his best game as a Patriot again,
which was last week obviously, Or Kyle Williams has an
average wide receiver game. Average game is not objected, but

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you know it when you see it.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, that's what you said. Kyle Willams having an average
game picking up a couple of catches.

Speaker 8 (25:04):
You know, I would say Pop Douglas having another uh breakout,
another big game, would be more likely.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Which one of those two things is more likely? I
would say Douglas.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
All right, up next, we have another email related Kyle
Williams breakout from Steven and Fort Drum, New York. So
I'm calling it now, Kyle Williams will catch a thirty
plus pass game for a TD. He's overdue with booty out.
Now is his day to get started with no complicated
go route.

Speaker 7 (25:32):
So it seems like the consensus.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, no, he's sure.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
You know he'll get an opportunity today and break out
those and that's what you hope for these This is
you know.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Players talk about it all the time.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I remember Tom Brady talking about when I got my chance,
I wasn't gonna let go of it.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
So that's how the NFL works.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
You get an opportunity to get out there and show
what you can do, and you know, maybe it is
Kyle Williams today. He gets out there and you know
the chemistry is better with him and Drake May and
you know, you start to get excited about you know
what's next you're going to hold for Kyle Williams.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
What what kind of role can he continue to grow
into by it?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
You know, I just I love his speed and I
think it's something that they really need, and I'd love
to just, you know, not so.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Much the deep pass.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'd love to just see him catch a little a
little slant and then just take off.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's something that I think is missing a little bit
from this Patriots offense is the run after catchability. Not
gonna lie see Kendrick Bourne a couple of times this year,
and I'm like, you know, you know, there's a couple
of plays here and there where You're like, man, Kendrick
Bourne is pretty good with the ball in his hands.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Like to see a little bit more.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
But you're right that Kyle Williams will get some opportunities
today and I wouldn't be surprised if he came away
with a few catches.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I mean, it's just not big expectations.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
But yeah, I'm not telling you he's gonna you know,
catch eight for for a buck fifty and three touchdowns,
but I think he's I think he's going to have
an opportunity to make some plays today. And the way
that Drake has been sort of spreading it around, you
never know. Yeah, I mean I would be shocked if
he didn't at least get a couple of opportunities chouts.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
Our camera crew in Tampa Bay, they every time we
mentioned someone, they find them on the screen.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
Kyle Williams. Yeah, just doing some drills to the other receivers.
All right, let's get back to the calls. Nate is
in Connecticut.

Speaker 9 (27:05):
Hi, Nate, you can get here.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Well, yes, it sound good.

Speaker 13 (27:09):
So, uh, my opinion or my thought for the game
is a big key that's gonna help us a lot.
I think is us being very aggressive, you know, considering
Tampa they're a really good team, and considering you know,
we're we're a good team. It's just we're a couple
levels below Tampa. In my opinion, I believe I read yeah,

(27:32):
well I'm being honest here, okay, And I think we're
probably gonna.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Have to rely.

Speaker 13 (27:40):
I wouldn't say rely, but I think we're gonna probably
have to ask Mike Rabel or Josh McDaniels to know,
draw something up, or you know, be more aggressive out there.
You know, take a couple more deep shots, go forward
on fourth, fourth down more often. Not that not saying
that we haven't gone for it a lot, just you know,
this is this is a good game that No, I
got to do a lot to come out.

Speaker 14 (28:00):
With the win.

Speaker 13 (28:01):
But that's what I think.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, thanks Neat. So it's a good team. I'm excited
for the game today.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
This is not like Buffalo, Like they went to Buffalo
and they were like clearly underdogs.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
This is kind of a toss up game.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
Yeah, you know, and maybe that's maybe Patty's right, Maybe
that's because of all the guys that Tampa is missing
in the personnel. Maybe at full strength, you know, we
wouldn't be looking at it the same way. But I
don't look at Tampa as being a significant step up
from the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I don't know, it's a big difference if it was
Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Bucket and that's you know,
three pieces. Yeah, of course, I mean Evans is out
for the year after the big injury a couple weeks ago.
But yeah, I mean you just wonder what I mean
that somehow they are always finding receivers down there. I mean,
we didn't talk about like Jayleen McMillan, like waiting, you know,
he's hurt too. I mean, they they just they seem
to really pay attention to always making sure that position

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group is stocked, even though they've been leading on Evans
and Godwin for the past like what six seven years?

Speaker 6 (28:59):
So Chad, and it has the same sentiment. He says,
part of me is tempering my expectations, thinking things are
too good to be true this season and preparing for
a loss today. However, there's another part of me that
sees the Bucks are not one hundred percent healthy, and
that's gassing me up to be as obnoxious as possible after.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
This easy win.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
But like he asked, should we temper expectations or is
this real?

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Well? No, enjoy it as long as you can. Yeah,
exactly take a week to we know, I'll say something.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I mean, look, I know each year is its own year,
and we've had a couple of different coaches here over
the last couple of years. But you know, one characteristic
of this team really going back since they took the
year after they won the Super Bowl is a team
that kind of fades down the stretch. So, you know,
I don't think that that's crazy to say. You look
at some of the matchups they've had earlier in this season,
that it's going to be a harder grind here in
November and December and these last eight games. You're really

(29:46):
kind of at the halfway point right now, But would
love to see a Patriots team start to really play
their best football at the end of the year. It
hasn't happened the last few year. I mean, you know,
really again going back to twenty nineteen, when after that
Baltimore loss, it felt like really kind of lost their mojo.
So it'd be great to see them not I don't
want to come out of the season and felt like, yeah,
it was great when you know that October and you know,

(30:07):
end of September stretch where they were racking up wins
against young quarterbacks, and then that and then when when
you got to have to face Mayfield and Josh.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Allen again and Lamar and then and then it didn't
look quite so good. So I just I hope that this.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Team is continuing to build and we're gonna we haven't
seen the best yet, what I'm hoping.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
And we're looking at Diggs right now. We talked about,
you know, like.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
We're looking at mac hollins ripped abs.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
But with Diggs specifically, what are you two looking forward?

Speaker 6 (30:33):
We talk about every week about whether or not they
should settle the expectation for him or get him more reps.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
But what are you hoping in this one?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Well, I think, you know, Paul's had some good points
this week of you know, there is I think an
element of managing him a little bit. And you know,
without Booty you do look a little bit more toward
Diggs in the key moments, but you don't want to
over rely on him and let teams key on him.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I'd love to see like another big Digs game, And
you know, I think he's at his best one.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
He's brilliantvolved.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
I think it's another one of the points that Patty
made when he called, and I could see it they
might need to lean on him a little more, Like
you said, without Booty, it could be anybody. They've shown
the ability to have a different guy sort of lead
the way. You know, Hollins did it a couple of
weeks ago, Douglas did it last week. I think in
a bigger game on the road, the guy that I

(31:21):
would have the most confidence and would be Stefan Diggs. Sure,
he's been their most reliable guy now lately it's been
you know, smaller doses, three catches. I think in four
of the last five games three catches each in those games.
I think today they might need him a little more
than that.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, definitely in the third you know, the third down,
the got to have it moments.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Those are the plays. If I was any opponent of
the Patriots, I would be saying.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Third down, we gotta know where Diggs is, and you know,
maybe they put somebody like Jamal Deane on him.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
I feel the last week he's hungry as well for
that energies in this one.

Speaker 8 (31:56):
All right, well, no Falcons have moved into the red
zone in case anybody's well, of course you're gonna have
a first and ten at the nineteen down by five
because the Colts missed their second extra point of the day.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I mean, it is funny now because you know, in
the past couple of years it's not only the Patriots
aren't really winning games, but it's also you don't really
care as much about the other games, and now, well
you're a little more invested in this.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
Is potentially I mean, I don't really care, like how
how the seeding you know, unfolds when you have you know,
eight games to play. But you know, the Colts right
now have the number one seed in the AFC in
danger of losing, which is a game that if you
look on paper, they have no right being in danger
of losing with four hundred and forty yards of total offense,

(32:40):
and they suddenly find themselves with the other team with
the ball with two minutes left, you know, needing a
touchdown to take the lead, all because of sloppiness and
bad kicking by the Colts. But you have a chance
to be the number one seed or you know, the worst,
if you can win the game, you're going to stay
tied at the top with Nver because Denver won their

(33:01):
game already, you know, and tie breakers are different, you know,
depending on what happens around the league, strength to victory
and all that kind of stuff. But uh yeah, and
now the now the Falcons are inside the ten, They're
going to have first and goal from about the eight.
You know, plenty of time. If I were the Colts,
I'd let him score, to be honest with you, Yeah,
and just have the ball have a chance to go

(33:22):
down and either get a tying field goal if Atlanta
gets the two, or winning field goal if they missed
the two.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Because they're going to go for two.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
They ask you're gonna go for two if you're if
you're Atlanta.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
Yeah, I mean that's it would be twenty three twenty two,
you go for two to try to make it three.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
So I know we joke a lot about you watching
red Zone during these games, but I think this was
and no, of course, but.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
I think this is actually pretty relevant.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
You talk about if India is able to win, they
get that number one seed in the AFC, but also
the Patriots right behind them right now at this point
in the standing. So what do you two make of
not only the back of the Pats are so high
up in the rankings, but like you said, we have
to actually keep our eyes on these other games too.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
A little bit. I don't make of it yet.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I mean, it's it's fun to at least feel still
invested and involved, but so much is gonna happen and
over and like we're literally I know, there's seventeen games now,
but I used to like it when it was eight
and eight and sixteen, and you know, so eight.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Games left to go.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Patriots are gonna have two games in the next what
four days here, so you know they're they're certainly gonna
make some some We're gonna learn a lot more about
this team over in the next week or so. But
it's just fun to be in the mix. That to
me right now is what it's all about. And being
able to still look at the scoreboard and care and
look at division battles and you know, be interested to
see how Buffalo does and you know the rest of

(34:34):
the AFC. But you know, Patriots have a great, a
great opportunity over the next four or five days to mean, geeze,
to think you could get two wins and get to
nine and you've got a winning season already, so you know,
I don't want to get ahead of yourselves.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
But it's just it's just makes it more fun.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's more fun when you're interested to watch the Patriots
go against another team. It's interesting to watch the results
of the other AFC teams as it comes down here
to the nitty gritty for the for the Colts. So yeah,
that's where I'm at, and you know, check in about
fifteen then we'll really start walking in on you know,
playoff seating and what they possibly be because right now, look,
there's so much parody in the league.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
You know, it's it's it's not like you know, maybe past.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Years where the Colts are the Chiefs were undefeated at
the top, and et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
Any men's game.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
All right, I'm looking at the call lines, and one
location I did not expect to see is Haiti. So
we're gonna take it from Ralph, who's in Haiti right now.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Wow, Hey, Ralph, Hi Ralph.

Speaker 14 (35:26):
Hey guys, you guys don't know the proms. I had
the grease to get them connections and to get to
you guys.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
I'm sure thanks for calling in.

Speaker 14 (35:34):
You listen, man, listen, I got the hottest take that
you guys haven't heard.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
Okay, do you know the more the more.

Speaker 14 (35:40):
Things change, the more they stayed the same. The last
time a team was had a losing record and then
went on a run like this with a similar fashion
where they were and two and two at the first
four weeks of the season was the two thousand and
one Patriots and then we went straight to the Super Bowl.
I'm seeing a lot of similarities right now. Know the

(36:01):
strip of schedule helps us a lot, but I like
the dream.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
Well, thanks for calling in, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Thanks Ralph.

Speaker 14 (36:10):
I appreciate you. I prayed for my country because we're
going through it right now.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Absolutely, I went to you. My parents were born in
Haiti as well, so that I was like, no, I
don't know, Ralph.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's what I calls from California, the Haitian Patriots fans.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
But now we have a lot.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
That's amazing sensation, Ralph.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
All right, Brian's in Phoenix. Let's see what he has
to say.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And there it is, and they get the two.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
So now you can miss the field goal that.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Oh yes, yes, this is Brian Phoenix. I'm disappointed far
as Farster Patriots fans saying that if Tampa Bay was
fully loaded, we wouldn't have a chance. It said the
same thing about Buffalo Any went into their home and
beat them. So I'm kind of disappointed in there. But
I think the keys for the game. Let's just make
Baker think, make him where he's not comfortable. We definitely

(37:10):
need a defense to step up, as far as Drake may.
Just do what you do, don't force anything, see what
the defense is giving you and take it. And I
think we can win this game.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
Of course they can win the game. It's a toss up.
The two and a half points spread.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, I mean even with those guys. I don't know,
I necessarily give them no chance to play, but well.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I'd have to see it.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
But they haven't had that, Like those guys haven't played,
you know, like if they were playing and Tampa was rolling,
then I might think about this game differently.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Tampa has it.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
I know, Tampa six and two. They're not rolling like
the last two weeks, not all year, like they needed
like a game winning drive and in the last thirty
seconds like four times in the first four wins. Like,
they're not rolling. But I haven't seen them fully loaded.
I haven't seen them with all their players. Godwin hasn't
hardly played at all them. Jalen McMillan has been on

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the uh wow Colts pick kick return forty nine yard
kick return for the Colts, which is gonna, you know,
sort of almost set them the shop, almost already in
field goal range, but they'll need the field goal only
ties it because Atlanta did get the two point conversion.

(38:24):
So yeah, I mean, I don't think the Patriots have
no chance to win a game over Tampa Bay. Tampa
Bay is still Tampa Bay. They're not one of these
They're not one of the elite teams in the League.
They're a good team. Tampa's a good team, They're not
a great team. I don't look at the Patriots as
not being able to line up and play with the Bucks.
I mean, maybe I'm being obnoxiously arrogant with that.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I don't. I don't feel like Tampa is that kind
of team.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
No, I feel yeah, Miles is Atlanta. What do you think,
Miles Mouse?

Speaker 15 (38:53):
Hey, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
We're good.

Speaker 15 (38:57):
I just wanted to say I love your show. I'm
a Patriots phantom from Providence, Rhode Island. I wanted to
mention Paul Parillo when I was When I was in
my first year in college at the University of Rhode Island,
I did an interview with you. You were you were
one of the first people I ever interviewed as a
journalism student, and I just wanted to stay hi and

(39:20):
thank you again for that.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
Thanks great, Thanks, Miles, I actually did. I did a
college interview with the young lady from North Dakota State
just this week. So yeah, I mean, wow, I'm hoping
things are going better for you than me in the business, Miles,
but I appreciate you giving me a shout out of it.

Speaker 15 (39:44):
Jane Sane Donaldson, one of my U ri I professors connected.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
Me with you professors Shane Shane O Mack. One of
the all time greats. Shane used to work here Kwannie
with the Patriots and he was part of all these show.
Is most famous in two thousand and one at the
Super Bowl for falling asleep on the air and hitting
his head on the microphone.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
Very impressive.

Speaker 8 (40:07):
Yes, and that's a professor molding and shaping the young
minds of journalists today.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
Miles, thanks so much for the call.

Speaker 15 (40:17):
Yeah, And I was gonna say, this is a game
I really I just really want to see the defense
step up, you know, the mistackles. I want to see
them get to the quarterback and get some turnovers and
really pick over the game.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Absolutely, Yeah, good opportunity for them.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Good.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
You know, it's just it's going against the quarterback. We
haven't really seen it, what since Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Was that the last time we've actually seen a quarterback
with you know, some experience? Josh Allen Josh, but those
two really are mean Gino Smith and there in that
mix two. But you know, it's just a good chance
to see where this defense is at. And I agree,
like we've been talking about. There's just something missing for me.

Speaker 15 (40:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
I'm like, well, the real defense, please stand up. I
don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Maybe they are really good. I definitely believe in their
past in their run to run defense. You know that
they've made a believer out of me on the run defense,
no question. But I think, as we'll all agree, the
passing game that you need to shut down, you need
to get sacks. I mean, they've talked about them only
having twenty sacks this year, which isn't terrible, but you know,
just the lack of finish some of the key moments

(41:15):
they've had that finish. But I'd like to see it
a little bit more CONSISTENTLY'D love to just see them
again get quarterbacks out of their comfort zone.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
All right, let's get to one more before we get
to our favorite part of the show. Lenox in Springfield.

Speaker 16 (41:27):
Hello, Yes, Hello. I believe it's going to be a
very pass heavy type of game. We're definitely gonna need
Milton Williams Tonga, those big boys are definitely going to
need to get the bagger otherwise he's just going to
be letting that ball fly all over the field. Both

(41:48):
teams aren't really great at running the ball, but our
run defense holds up. Not really worried about their Bucky
Irvin or anything like that. But overall it's probably going
to be a very.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Pass tippy way, meaning today.

Speaker 16 (42:00):
May Drake May maybe two fifty to sixty, maybe two seven,
who knows. I think his yards are probably going to
be up there. But yeah, it's gonna be an exciting one,
but I think we're gonna be able to pull it out.
They got too many injuries for us not to be
able to really you know, take over over there in
Tampa Bay. So Gopats love the show.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Thanks Lennox, Thanks nice to sixty. I might need to
change our over unders here.

Speaker 8 (42:27):
We get into there and thought, I mean, I think
he's going to have to throw because I don't think
the Patriots are gonna have a great day running the ball.
You could see some Henderson you know, edge stuff, but
I can't imagine they're going to be able to pile
up a lot of yard. You know, I don't know
what Drake May is going to run for. I'm talking
about running backyard.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
It feels like one of those maybe one of those
games where it's like the short passing game is the
run game.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
It's some of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
It's not just drop back, handed off and run into
the wall.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
But yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I mean, you're shorthanded without the Mondrie Stevenson. So these
are the games you worried about, talked about early in
the season. They don't have a lot of running back death.
Gibson goes out. Now Stevenson's out. Can you survive another
game with just Trayvon Henderson? And you know Terrell Jennings
who's been primarily a practice squad player first first year
and a half in the league.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Exactly?

Speaker 6 (43:16):
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Speaker 7 (43:20):
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Speaker 6 (43:22):
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Speaker 8 (43:54):
I know last week everybody went four and two, right,
so the standings don't really move very much. Kwannie thirty
four and twenty Mike thirty two and twenty two, Paul,
twenty four.

Speaker 14 (44:08):
Sound for you.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Wah wah whah.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
So Kwannie maintains early, Mike, Yeah, it's time for you
to do something about it.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Eliminated so I really can't do anything about.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
It, all right, So first of this week, of course,
we have Drake may passing yards right now, the line
that two hundred and forty seven and a half yards,
but again we could change it to too sixty.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
If I like that number, I'm gonna go I'm gonna
go over on that one. But I think that's a
good number.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
I think I'm going over as well.

Speaker 8 (44:43):
Yeah, I'm going to take the over this week because
of the uh, I think the lack of the running game.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think it's going to have to be on Drake May.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
And so on the opposite end of the ball for
the Patriots, Baker Mayfield passing yards two hundred and forty
three and a half? Can this defense stifle Baker to.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
The question, I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna say he
throws for two hundred and forty three. Uh, well, so
I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
I think I'm gonna take the over as well. It
looks like both of these I think these two quarterbacks are.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Yeah, I'm with you, guys. I think there'll be a
lot of passing yards today.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I'm gonna my same theory applies to Tampa.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
I don't think they're gonna be able to run the
ball against the Patriots, so it's going to be on
Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Okay, up next, we have Hunter Henry receiving yards thirty
six and a half.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
This is a good one. Yeah, last week we had
some action. Let's see.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
I'm gonna go with the Oh my god, this is
I'm gonna go with the under on this one.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
I don't know if Henry is going to get that.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Much's It's tough this because with this team, I feel
like you're always just kind of rolling the dice because
each you know, it could be a Hooper game. But
I just I think Hunter Henry is too consistent I'm
gonna go over with.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Yea, yeah, I'm going to take the over on that
as well. I like, yeah, I mean, I just Henry
has been a reliable guy. You're missing Booty someone you know.
We mentioned Diggs. I think Henry also some of the
old reliables and the Colts, by the way, tied the
game with twenty five seconds to go.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
We'll see how it ends, all right, up next, shortest
field goal made twenty seven and a half YEARK to.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Me, that's a that's a weird one short.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So I don't really understand.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
I guess the.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Shortest field goal is going to be longer.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm going to go over on this one.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm going to say the shortest field goal is longer
than twenty seven point five years.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Okay, so that's how we do it.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
No fields are made. Does that mean it's zero.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Shortest field goal? I'm going to say over.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
Yeah, I'm going to say over as well.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
I feel like, all you you're getting crazy on these.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
He had his hands in the air.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
The longest short field goal.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
In the middle of the field. All right, total New
England points twenty three and DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
It's a thing.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
It was the thing I just didn't understand it. It's
a complicated proposal and I really didn't understand it.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Shoot, all right, I guess that's all.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
You're up on the total point, I'm going to take
the under New England under.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
I'm going to take the New England that's doing this is.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Just the New England points.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, I took the under.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 8 (47:20):
If it was the total score at twenty three and
a half, I think it would have taken over on that.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Fair enough, I'll take I'll take the over on that one.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
I'm taking over. Finally, total score forty eight and a half. Dang.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
If I took the over on that, then it has
to be I'm gonna have to take the over on
this as well for the sake of New England.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I'm on the over on this one too, and
I will take the under on that as well.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
I do not think this is going to be a shootout.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
We'll see. This is the defining moment.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
You can see me at the bottom of the standings everywhere,
or you.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
Might jump to the top based off of the No
not that up.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
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Speaker 7 (48:30):
All right, Paul, how did we do last week in
this one?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Oh, let's let's let's go. Let's go to that page.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
We also the last week, we were all the same.
Everybody was two and four. So it's not a good
week for the six pack. Everybody finished two and four.
That means Kwannie is twenty eight and twenty two, Mike
is twenty four and twenty six, and poopy Pants is
twenty one and twenty nine, twenty one and twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I stink.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
It's okay, it's tough. It's not easy to be great.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
So first up, giants at the Chicago Bears. Chicago with
four and a half.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Yeah, that's uh, that sounds like a good number.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I know Chicago has been a little inconsistent, but I
think they're they're playing better lately.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
I am going to take the Bears, Paul.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
I am going to take Chicago as well. I think
that they are. I don't think they're quite there as
I mean, they're five and three, looks like they're a
good team. I don't think they're quite there yet. But
at home against the Giants, I think that they have enough.
I think Caleb Williams is starting to sort of buy
in a little bit to the Ben Johnson stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I'm going to take Chicago.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
I'm going to take Chicago. No, you know what, I'm
going to take the Giants.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Just sorry.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
I'm gonna take the Giants for the sake.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Of your fandom, giving them something.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
No at the fandom.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
I don't even know if it really for Jackson, for
the Jackson start.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
I up.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Next, we have the Cleveland b at the New York Jets.
Cleveland with one and a half.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Falls, game of the week right here.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
Yeah, this is as bad as it gets in the
NFL this year. I'm gonna take Cleveland. No real reason why,
just someone's got.

Speaker 7 (50:14):
To win, you said, Cleveland.

Speaker 8 (50:17):
Yeah, I'm a little worried about the the new coach
adjacent bump. When you lose all your good players, you
send them all out in the trade deadline. It's kind
of like, you know, firing your coach. Maybe they get
a But I'm gonna take Cleveland.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Is there any science behind that one? No, none, whatsoever. Shoot,
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Cleveland too.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
I just yeah, I think it's three. Yeah, we're on
the same page. Yeah, all three of us.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
All right.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
I'm next Buffalo at Miami Buffalo with nine and a half.
I think this kind of might be a common sense
when I'm gonna take Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah, I'm with you on Buffalo. I think Miami not
looking good offloading guys. Yeah, Buffalo.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm going to take I'm gonna take Buffalo too.
But this is a lot of points in a division game,
Road Division, Miami Road Division game.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
But I'm gonna take Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Thanks fair. All right?

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Up next, Baltimore Ravens at the Minnesota Vikings. Baltimore with
three and a half.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
That's a been on. Oh, I'll take the Vikings at home.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Vikings at home.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
JJ McCarthy, I am going to take Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
I think they.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
They're in the process of climbing out of that grave
that they built for themselves early on. And I think
this is a big one for them on the road
against Minnesota come Vikings coming off a huge win last week.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
This is a big game for the Ravens. I'm going
to take the Ravens.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Yeah, I'm with Paul Ife.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It feels like an inevitability that Lamar Jackson is gonna
round in form. They're gonna start playing better, their defense
has been playing better. I'm gonna take the Ravens over JJ.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Here we go, alrighty La the Rams at San Francisco,
the Rams five and a.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Half, Mac Jones, Mac Jones time, Matt and Roland.

Speaker 8 (52:03):
It's a big spread again on the road in the
division game. And we always talk about the NFC West stuff.
Mike Shanahan owns McVeigh. However, I'm still going. However, I'm
still going to take the ROMs.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I'm gonna get crazy. I'm going forty nine ers underdogs
at home. Uh, just dump it off.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Give it a Christian McCaffrey, you make magic happen. I
don't think Ma's that good. Well that way, Fred.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Oh Man, this is a good one. I'm gonna take
forty nine ers.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
At home as well.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
This is how I end up in the base.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
We'll see might be right, climb out of it.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Never happens that way, Mike.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
You can change if you like.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Finally, best for last New England Patriots out of Tampa
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay two and a half.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I guess I'll go lead us out. I'm gonna go
with the Patriots on this one. I think it's gonna
be really close game, though. I just I think, like
Paul said, coin flip game mistake down at the end.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Who's gonna make it that kind of game?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
But I'm gonna have the Patriots and gona stick with
what I said earlier this week. Patriots another one point win,
twenty eight, twenty seven.

Speaker 8 (53:13):
Yeah, I could see this game going either way. I
do think that the spot, you know, Patty and I
differ a little bit. I think Bucks coming off a
bye week, had a chance to rest a little bit,
and they're at home. Patriots sort of in a long
stretch here, you know that. I think they shortened some

(53:33):
practice times a little bit this week. I think they're
starting to feel a little the wear and tear. I
think this is a tough spot for the pair. I'm
not saying the Patriots can't win, because I would not
even bat an eye if the Patriots went down there
and won. I don't think Tampa's all that good. I
think they're good, not great, very similar teams. I'm gonna
take Tampa twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
There we go, all right, So we do have to close.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Out who are you taking?

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Oh sorry, I thought it was how you get in
first place. You know, it's funny.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
I think I'm New England all until they prove otherwise.
Every week I've been picking them, so I just assume
that my inter was locked in.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
I just real quick to a bit of news.

Speaker 15 (54:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Tag Liaboo passed away a long time NFL commissioner.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I've seen if you're watching on video years old.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Of course when I grew up, all the footballs that
I bought, when I bought the End of the day
had the Paul tag Lao pignature written on it. So
obviously it was a huge part of the NFL, and
you know, making the NFL into what it became after
his tenure and then into Roger Goodell's But that's you know,
that's definitely a pro football titan, right there, Paul Tagliaboo.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Absolutely seventeen years as a league commissioner. But also to
the point that you just made. The cause of death
was heart failure complicated by Parkinson's, as we can see
Adam Schefter reported earlier today.

Speaker 8 (54:52):
So, yeah, did you know he was an important commissioner
at the time of a lot of labor life. I'm
sort of you know, hushering in the free agency era.
I think he was, you know, he was more of
a lawyer background than a football background. I think he
was instrumental in helping in that regard. But yeah, that's

(55:13):
you know, pretty pretty important guy in in NFL history.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
All thoughts with his family.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Yeah, before we close out or we're gonna close out,
it's in the show.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
So thank you. Oh okay, sorry.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
We got calls.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
We're gonna take some calls before we go.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
So we're gonna go down to North Carolina where Eldred.

Speaker 17 (55:36):
Is, Hey, well's how you doing to hey? All right?
So b hey, two things is only two things were okay?
And then if I see that in the first part
of half the game, I'd be okay. Out line in
our backs against they blitzed and our linebackers in our
safeties because you know they're gonna target in the middle of
the field. You know they're gonna do that, right, Both.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Of those things are concerns. You know.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
Kate Attin is the guy we haven't really mentioned in
the show. I think that he would be a concern
against those linebackers and safeties across the middle of the field.
And that's a guy that Baker Mayfield leans on.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (56:12):
Yeah, and if we can get we can get Henderson
on outside half backs in the flat or whatever, because
then they have problem with But I tied you across
the middle days and they still good, uh linebackers, And
I take it up there and I have a good
one and go pack.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
Thanks, thank you. All right, let's go to Lewis in Florida.

Speaker 9 (56:37):
Hey, ladies and gents, thank you for having me most
time listener, appropiately everything you guys do every season. So
just the question and your thoughts on who has a
bigger point to prove for just kind of put putting
the league on unnoticed. Is it the offense or the defense?
Given that there's a lot of there's a lot of

(56:59):
more right that new England's back, New England's back who
has a bigger point of uh proof? And I'll take
it offline.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Thanks, God's go Pats.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
That's an interesting question.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I mean, I I mean, I lean the defense. I
would say the defense. I just said, you know, I
I think you know that Drake may is pretty good.
I don't know a lot else about the offense, and
I don't know how much more you really can learn
about the offense this year. But I just I have
questions about the defense, especially against you know, good quarterback
like Baker Mayfield. And you know, I just like I said,

(57:29):
stats tell one story.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
I tell you a little bit of a different story.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
But this is an opportunity today to you know, show
that you may be a little bit better than something
like the DVOA ranking might tell you what they are.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
Yeah, I mean I don't really, I don't know. I
don't really get the question like who has more?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I mean, yeah, it.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Doesn't feel like a it doesn't feel like a stakes
game to you.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
No, Yeah, I mean to me, it's just the next
game on the schedule. I don't really, I mean, I
don't know offense defense. I think they just want to
this is gonna sound lame, like I'm taking Mike Rabel.
This is what I got accused of on the Sports
Hub this week. I'm just taking like Mike Rabel's messages
and I'm trying to like it's just the next game,
like you're just trying to stack days and improve, keep

(58:18):
getting better, keep improving. I think that's what they should
be focused on right now, is just trying to get better.
And it's another opportunity. Yeah, it's it's a bigger I mean,
it's a tougher opponent than what you've seen the last month.
You know, it's not Cleveland, it's not Tennessee, it's not Atlanta,
but it ain't Buffalo either, and it ain't Baltimore that
you're going to be seeing in a few weeks. So

(58:40):
you know, just keep playing well, keep stacking days, keep improving. Yeah,
I don't know the league both sides of the ball.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Absolutely, the league generally preaches the you know, excuse mentality.
But one thing I did want to pose before we
go last week. The Bucks did get there bye week.
The Patriots on the other end preparing for a very
short week against the Jets on Thursday. So what role
do you foresee that if any playing in this matchup, play.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Suck it up, just suck it up over the next
five days. And nobody loves the Thursday night game. As
an NFL player, it's hard on you. But you know
you will get a little bit of a break next weekend,
and then you know, the schedule gets a little weird
with Monday night football, so it you know, they've been
kind of stuck in this grind. I think we feel
it to the one pm games over and over again.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
Whatever call Sunday at one grind Mike, Well, I mean,
you know what I mean, it's intended game.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Say you know, you're just you're on the treadmill right now,
and it's gonna it's gonna break up a little bit
coming up. So if they can just suck it up
and again somehow find a way to squeeze out two
more wins and get the nine wins before you know,
before the break, that's that's pretty impressive. But you know
it's uh, you just wonder, are the Patriots tired?

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Are the Bucks rusty?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You know, you never know what the storyline is for
teams coming out of the buy or teams that haven't
had to buy yet.

Speaker 8 (59:52):
I definitely feel that way. Then, I think that that's
the way that Mike has sort of been talking to
the team is it's you've got to fight through it.
We are on that tread mill right now, and the
buy's not really close. Still another you know, still another
three or four weeks away. Yeah, so this is this
is time you gotta I think that's why he shortened
practices a little bit this week. I think you tried

(01:00:13):
to lighten a load a little bit. Yeah, they're fighting through.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
It and they will keep doing that. We're going to
see how they do in Tampa Bay. We'll be right
back here after the game to give you all the
recap and analysis and of course postgame locker room sound
as well, so for Paul Rilo and Mike du So,
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