Patriots Pregame Show 12/1: Cardinals Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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Speaker 3 (01:38):
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here imke, Good afternoon, everybody, Week fifteen in the National
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New England Patriots. Three and ten, losers of three in

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a row, traveled to the desert in Arizona to take
on the six and seven Arizona Cardinals, also losers of
three in a row, two games behind and on the
periphery of a playoff game. I must win for Arizona.
We think this is a must play hard and look
good in doing so game for the Patriots. Is that

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a good way to characterize it?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean that's what we heard from them this week.
Getting a week off and a chance to reset. A
lot of the guys talked about going back and looking
at their previous performances and finding things that they need
to do individually to improve here on the final four games.
And I mean even watching a little of the AFC
North hard knocks this week, similar some teams in similar positions.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Cleveland, you know, saying.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
This is about everybody's watching you like, it's not just
about this team, it's also about your future opportunity. So
I think the Patriots are in that boat as well,
with some of their guys that you know who wants
to prove they they're going to stick around, They're going
to be part of this thing going forward. And I
think we're all, you know, very interested to see the
young guys Cole Strange, who gets increased opportunities.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's not ever been a question of effort. I don't
think anybody sees here but tomorrow. You're in the locker
room a lot and talking to players frequently, do you
get the sense, as what Mike just said, that they're
aware that the world is watching, and whether it's the
Patriots with their future lives or another team with the
future lives, that they understand that this is These games
are important. There's no such thing as a meaningless game.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Absolutely. I think Devon Godchas says it well every single week,
He's like, we get paid to do this, this is
our job. We get paid to do our job. Well.
They always talk about playing for the name on the
back of their jersey, playing for the name on their helmet,
and that never stops despite what your record is. You
can't just hang up your cleat. So it sounds like
all of them are all in for you know, taking
these last four games seriously and not just hanging it

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up because they're not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Paul, I'm going to crush this person if this factoid
is incorrect. But I was told a factoid today that
the Arizona Cardinals have defeated thirty one National Football League
teams in Glendale, Arizona. There's only one they haven't defeated.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
I have no idea if that's true. I can't.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
My number one son, Game gave me that little factoid today,
and I will crush him. If he's one I didn't
fact check him with.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Well, I'm gonna take it as gospel then if it
came if it came from that source, Yeah, I know
the Patriots haven't lost.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know there you lost one game that I recall,
there was one.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I don't remember that game. I blocked that one out.
Have a loss of the Cardinal.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Two thousand and eight seven? Where was I no?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Right? That twenty two game? The last time they played
there was kind of a tracta pull the Monday Night game,
wasn't it when.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
In the first series and I stopped watching it.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
That's just great little scoop and score by Ray Kwan McMillan.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Correct, that's just great. Well, thanks thanks for doing the
postgame show for us. Yeah, it was the game. DeAndre
Hopkins had the ball like this, Oh yeah, the ball
out like this, he's running and then there's like, that's
my bad when I fumbled. What would you think was
gonna happen? Ball like it was nuclear waste. Like take

(05:11):
this from me, somebody, please.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Paul, you said something earlier in the week where you
thought that this game looked different to you than it
might have been a couple of weeks ago, because where
Arizona is in the scheme of things, having lost three
in a row. Expand on that, if you would.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Please, Well, they're in a free fall and they haven't
played well in a and this is kind of them
for the Cardinals, and it's been different coaching staffs, you know,
some different personnel, but this sort of Kyler Murray iteration
of the Cardinals has tended to drop off dramatically down
the stretch, and it looks like they're doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mentioned at the top. They are in the periphery
of the playoff race. They're six and seven, two games
behind the Rams and the Sea Puppies, and so it
means something to them, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Oh, No, absolutely means something. I just think they're playing poorly. Yeah,
that's all.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I think.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
That's why it's the it's the immovable force versus the
you know that that old cliche that are they.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Gonna be able to turn it around at home?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Usually I would default to a team that needs a
win and is still in the playoff conversation. More likely
they have a little bit of the edge, especially at home.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Tangibles.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, you know, so that's something that the Patriots have
to be aware of that they're going to have to counter.
They've been off for a.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Couple of weeks, so it just had a long flight
two days ago, or they rusty. I mean, there's it's
it's kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I think the Patriots need a good start today to
put some doubt in the mind of the Cardinals and
maybe start to let them work against themselves a little bit,
and that might be a route to victory for the Also.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
I feel like the Patriots have been like everybody's get
right game as of lately, and I just for once
want them to not let the team get right and
have a great rest of the season, but maybe snatch
one away from the Cardinals today, who think this is
their get right game and they've.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Got such opportunity hero of the four games, and I mean,
I know they're out of the playoff race, but this
is a team that needs to win. You've got the
Chargers in a couple of weeks. I mean, Buffalo is
scrambling up atop the AFC.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So it's more than just about wanting to see the
current Patriots players and see Drake may continue to progress
over his bye week and see you know how they've
kind of tweaked things a little bit.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Maybe for him, it's more than that.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I think it's more about, you know, hey, you've got
a chance to ruin some team seasons. I go back
to that you know, Miami game back in twenty nineteen
when I was here with with Ryan Fitzpatcher coming and
they had nothing to play for, and you know, they
ended up really hurting the Patriots with that with that win.
So yeah, it's something that some teams do that you know,
what does it mean in the grand scheme to things
I'm not sure, but to show some fight, I think

(07:34):
that would buy, you know, jirob Mail, a little bit
of credit, a little bit more buying from the guys
here down the.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
End that those two comments by Tamara and Mike, I
think leads us perfectly into the Keys to the Game.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
The whole teams in the locker room right now just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials Keys to the Game.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And only because I'm the host, allegedly, I'm gonna lead
off with this. Not because it's oppression or anything like that,
but I think, Mike, I just stand by something that
you said six weeks ago, eight weeks ago, and to
me it just rings so true. And my key is
be a pain in the neck. You've turned to being
a pain in the ass. I think we're okay with
saying that on this program here, but pain in the butt.

(08:19):
I just want to say, like, show me some vinegar
and some you know what out of this team. I'm
not advocating violence, but if you want to get into
a scrap, that's fine. Show me your care. I don't
question the effort, but show me some things to go. Wow,
there being a real pain in the neck to play.
They're making it hard on the Cardinals here. That's when
I see when we you know, the unfortunately, the last

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thing in our minds is the ninety seven play drive
that the Colts took, you know, to go down and
win the game. Like, you'd like to see something a
little bit different than that. That's what I mean. He'd
be a pain in the neck. Yeah, you know, and
there's a thousand different ways to show that in every
phase of the game. Show me that you're a pain
in the neck. Run the ball down their throat. If

(09:01):
you can do that, be the more physical team on
the offense, you know, take it to dictate terms instead
of having terms dictated to you. That's what I'd like
to say.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I like it, man, I like it on the really
on the defensive side of the ball too. This week,
you know, we heard from DeMarcus Covington, and I think
Paul would back me up on this. Just felt a
little bit of a tone shift from him. He's very
confident throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
We've heard from him.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You wouldn't really realize that during that time the Patriots
defense statistically was kind of in a free fall, and
after the bye, it just seems he seemed a little
bit more. I don't know, Paul, I don't know how
what were to put a little.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Unsure maybe just not quite just wasn't exuding this.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
And I heard the same thing.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I hope not resigned.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, I don't think resigned, but I mean I I
just his energy. He always just brings the energy. And
I felt it a little bit of a dip. Let's
just say that to be fair. But you know, how's
the defense going to going to react? I interpreted as
DeMarcus coming can spend these last week going through all
his games in realm, like, man, it's whack.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Them all with this team, it's consistency.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's if it's not this, it's this, it's always one
problem popping up where you know it's it's there's nothing.
And I've said it many times on this show. There's
nothing for this defense to hang their hat on. And
that's what I want to say. I want to see
your thing. I want to see this defense just come
out and play with energy, play like you looked at
the last two weeks. And said, man, that was embarrassing
some of those games we put on film. Let's come
out here with something to prove against this Cardinals offense.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think this is kind of JV stuff. I hate
to say it. I see that Nick Sirianni is getting
you know, accolades across the globe because he had the
foresight to show clips of his team, you know, celebrating
together and being a team where Hurts and Brown are
pointing fingers at each other and anything like that. It
just seems so juvenile to me that that's what you're

(10:42):
going to have to do to resort to motivate these guys.
But I'd like to see a little bit more of
rather than just picking a guy up after the play.
And I know that they all get like a Tonka
toy or something like that when they do that. Show
some exuberance, get excited when you make a play, get
excited for your teammate when you do something like that.
That's all part of being a pain in the neck.
I think you know, absolutely, so next up, then why

(11:05):
don't you go, mister dou.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
So, sure, I'll go.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I mean, we heard all week the stress about the
red zone and stress about penalties, and that was a
recurring theme from the coaches. That's, you know, red zone
on both sides of the coin. Specifically though in the offense.
I think that's a little bit of the final frontier
for Drake. May certainly a very hard place to execute
and to score points. But that's I want to see
if that's what they're telling us some shir it's what
they're telling the players too, So you guys have great

(11:29):
keys too, trying to round things out. But that's something
the coaches have been stressing. Let's see if they can
execute those things. Let's see if they can be better
in the red zone. What can Alex van Pelt pull
out of his hat. We've seen a little bit of
expanded creativity over recent weeks. What does he have again,
What does DeMarcus Covington have with his defense? What can
he reach into his bag of tricks and try to
get some stops inside the red zone?

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Try to get some turnovers.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know they've had a few here popping up, you know,
not overwhelming amount, but it's been better in the last
couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
I think they need more.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
They need to give a spark to the offense and
show you know, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna help you
guys out. That tastes from like you said, Indy, that
long drive, that bad taste is still in my mouth.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think that's one thing that Gerard has kind of
harped on post by when he had a chance to
sit without a test to have to prepare for and
look at the previous week's games. I think turnovers really
caught his attention, that they turn it over and they're
not turning it over. And I'm not trying to sit
here and tell you if you flip f off that, Paul.
I'm not trying to make this into an eight win
team or anything like that. But I do think if

(12:27):
those turnover numbers were different, maybe some of the results
would be and it could be just as simple as
protecting the ball better and doing a better job there.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, I mean they don't take it away. That's the
biggest problem to me. I don't think that their giveaways
are that out of whack for a three and ten team,
but they don't take it away ever at all. So
that yeah, I mean, obviously, if you have a good
turnover ratio, you have better chances to win the games.
There's a lot of that stuff, you know, the close

(12:55):
game stuff that people talk about. That's those are that
that's where you win and lose the games.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, yeah, they're all close, Tamar.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
My key is play your cards right. I figured this
out like two weeks ago because I was like, ooh, cardinals,
cards Okay, but enough about them, and that's my whole point.
Play your cards right. Don't lean over look into deuce.
His hand and Matt Smith's hand and Paul's hand, well.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
That could help you though in a game of cards.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
They could.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
She could cheating.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
But bills at North.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Carol, play your cards right. There's so many things when
you look at this team and they've had a week
to self scout, do sprought it up the red zone
two and six in the red zone the last game.
Clean it up and maybe you could win the game.
Twenty five yard field goal, don't miss those, those are
too easy to be missing. Clean it up and maybe
you could win the game. Defense so many miscommunications, mistackles,

(13:46):
clean that up. Maybe you could win the game. So
I think the Patriots, they had a week to look
internally at themselves. They need to come out today and
play their cards right and not be so focused about
what the Cardinals are doing, but control what they can control.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I like it. I like it a lot with the
kicker specifically, and I'm sure you guys delved into this
a nauseum during the week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. What's
the move? Mike Rease and I just hypothesizing a little
bit here that they're bringing them in for the weather,
like to give them some relief in kicking in weather
or anything like that. I would feel a little bit

(14:21):
more comfortable if somebody says, no, you're on notice, we're
bringing somebody else into take a look at it, because
quite honestly, we're not good enough to have our kicker
missed twenty five yard kicks.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, yeah, he's unacceptable. Yeah No.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I think I was there for Springer when Mike asked
him that on Friday afternoon. And I definitely think competition
is part of it as well, And like he did say,
limiting the kicks and you know, trying to take a
little bit of the wear and tear.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
But you've got to be right.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, he's been way too inconsistent, and certainly last
week with missing the short or two weeks ago missing
the short one.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
You know that like, this is the NFL. You know
you missed that kick. You shouldn't be surprised if somebody's
coming in.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Then I'm seven to one score games. If you look
at these games, and I'm not saying that, you know,
he misses a kick every game, but when you look
at the games that the Patriots have lost, he has
missed a kick. So it's like, whether it's twenty five yards,
I'm not going to put the sixty yarder against him,
but if it's twenty five yarder, I expect that to
be a no brainer.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yep. Yeah, that's what he's paid to do. And on
the competition part, might it be that because uh slide
did so well this summer in competition literally Mano Amano
during training camp that they said maybe this is a
way to try to bring out the best of him.
His the person who he beats out for the Paul.
How would you say he's doing so far this year?

(15:33):
He's doing okay, okay, yeah, you got off to a
really good you got off to a really really good start.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
He had some big field goals that he made for
the Cardinals. Lately he's missed a couple. So I think
those two guys are very much the same. I thought
they were very similar in camp. I thought they were
both pretty inconsistent. I thought toward the end, Slide was
a little more consistent and that's why you won the job.
But I didn't think either one of them lit it
up in camp, you know, in terms of in terms
of their performance.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Every day it felt like a real competition almost the
entire way, and then Slide just kind of pulled away
a little bit, a.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Little bit at the end.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Nobody's carrying a flag for Rylan.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
No, but I wouldn't have carried I didn't make an
argument for the other guy. I don't think. I don't
think either one of them necessarily went out and won
the job. I thought every day they closed practice, and
I would say my conservatively, like four out of five
practices closed with field goals right.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
The psych out session where they're all yelling out.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
And I would say that both of them missed one
pretty much every day. I mean, whether it was at
the very end or during the course of you know,
we're gonna do two minute drill and then we're going
to do you know, field goals, they missed one all
the time. So I didn't think either one of them
was was terribly you know, consistent.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
And I want to say one more thing too, with
playing your cards right. I know we harped on DeMarcus Covington,
you know, and him his self scouting, but a VP,
It's like when I look back at that last game,
specifically when the Patriots got the ball back after was
it the Gonzo interception?

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yes, the.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Play calling right there, It's like I wonder how many
games he went back and looked at and was like, okay,
I could have done this better here, so that maybe
the Patriots could have gotten a first down, you know,
eat eating the clock and not give it back to
the other team. So if that happens again today, I
hope that's that situation where let's run Remandre three times
and get one yard and have to put it back

(17:24):
to the other team. So I'm hoping that the coaches
too can play their cards right.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Love it finishings off, please, sir.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
To me, this is about two guys for Arizona, because
you want to make sure that you you don't allow
Arizona to play on their terms, James Connor and Kyler Murray.
And in both of them, in terms of running Connor,
I think when he gets going, the offense is different
and they're able.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
To a good year, isn't Yeah he's he's, yeah, he's.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
He's played pretty well at over four yards of carry,
He's played pretty well for them, But you can contain him.
He's not one of these guys that's going to get
his no matter what. So the run defense needs to
be better. And then you need to contain Kyler Murray
in the pocket because if you allow him to sort
of get out of the pocket and and do his thing,
he's a tough guy to deal with.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Can I add one more person to that list that
I think they need to be wary of, which is Uh,
it just seems like for my lifetime, they've always struggled
against this position. The kid McBride, a tight ends having
a pretty good game.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
He's tremendous, you know, a tremendous player.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Just to Patriots struggle against, you know, covering tight ends
and I don't struggle.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
To cover everybody. That's why they last and DVOA like
that they struggled.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I forgot to look at my Devo stuff this week.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
But I think the McBride thing is right on, and
this is like, if they can run and then they
can throw when they want to, and McBride's going to
be a dangerous guy. I think that's a good you know,
with the way that Douggner has struggled lately, and Peppers
isn't exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
A big coverage guy either, right, No.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
I think you say that in front of mine.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, be careful, No, But I do think they'll lean
more towards putting Kyle Dugger on him. That's a little
bit how they you know, I think divide it up more.
They'd rather have Peppers when they killer passing downs. We're gonna,
you know, divide our safeties up into man coverage. Usually
Peppers is the guy who is on the back end.
Limited sample size admittedly this year with him, But watch
Kyle Dugger today. I think he sees had a rough
couple of weeks. He had a bye week to maybe

(19:15):
try to get right with his dock. I think his
struggles have been well documented over the last couple of weeks.
So just he's another player in the spotlight today. Can
he turn the page and and and put an author
of strong finish to this season as a captain, as
a guy who signed a long term contract, who you know,
for all intents and purposes, should be part of the
long term building plan and a leader on this.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Team because they identified him as sorry, just they identified
him as that this first off season. This is a
guy we want to have as a program guy, right.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, And I mean, you know, be fair. He's had
an ankle injury. That's that's that's part of it. You
want to at least acknowledge that. But at the same time,
you want these guys that to play well and the
ones that you gave those contracts to. Now you're getting
a chance to see Christian Barmore get out there. Maybe
he can start to improve a little bit. Peppers knocking
some rust off getting back in there. Another guy who
got a long term contract this offseason.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
So I really think other.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Than Hunter Henry, it's it's it's been kind of touch
and go with a lot of those guys who signed
multi year extensions this offseason.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Sorry, tomarraw No.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Another thing I wanted to acknowledge to you, especially with
the defense, is the illnesses this week.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, a lot of masks in the locker room, I hear.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, So I'm wondering, if you know, maybe that could
be an issue today too, with you know, Hawkins was ill,
Marcus Jones was ill, Devon godchaw was ill. Kyle Duggart
also with a mask in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I guy Barbore, I think is sick as well, right.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, And so I think that that's something to pay
attention to today too with you could see some shuffling
there too, depending on you know, maybe people aren't physically
feeling well enough to be playing all the snaps that
they would have if they weren't sick.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Nothing better to do when you're not feeling well. This
is to get on a plane and travel five or
six hours in that aluminum can. That should help, right, Ye?

Speaker 6 (20:49):
See.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I want to go back to Barmore for a second
because I saw people rightly so saying that since he's
been back, Barboa really hasn't you know, stood out or
done anything of note for them on the field. I
don't want to sit there and see it's impossible for
that to happen. But is he so far behind because
of what has transpired this year that just getting on

(21:11):
the field is good enough or is it feared to
expect over these last four games that you start to see, oh,
this is why they signed him to that deal.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
I can't believe people were expecting him to just play
the first game and be the bar Moore that he
was last year, especially when you saw like how he
was handled handled in practice, like he would practice one
day not practice the next. So it's like you really
expect him to be full Barmore again after one two games,
like it's gonna take time.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, Mayo was asked about this this week. I think
it was Friday as well, you.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Know, and I mean he I think it's hard.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
He didn't want to put expectations down either on bar Moore,
and that's uh, you know. I think it's the kind
of the dance you do right now of what's reasonable
to expect from a guy coming back from something serious
like that. But at the same time, I want him
to play well. I want to see some flashes here
down the end. I know he's been through a lot,
but he's gonna play a little bit.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Let's let's see something month, you know, let's yeah, let's
carry something over.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Is it too soon now to say, well, now we're
gonna expect to see maybe let's see you make some plays.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, I don't. I don't expect it, but I'd like
to see it.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's I mean, I don't want to hold it over
his head, but look, if he gets through the rest
of this season, it doesn't show anything for a defense
that's been really disappointing. He's one guy that you would
look at as an opportunity to show something to give
you a little bit of a boost here at the end,
a little bit. I mean, it's it's not going to
change the whole narrative.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
It's a Matt smithism, you know, it's two things can
be true. You know, absolutely the biggest store and the
better story is that that that he's back.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
But I think at this point, you know, we understood
it was going to be slow, but you'd like to
see a little bit more flash of the old and
we saw like a player or two I think in
the Colts game where you're like, oh, there's there's there's
bar Moore. That's the guy we remember. So yeah, I
think that at this point this will be what is
fourth or fifth game?

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, run there.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
So yeah, I mean I think you should be able to,
you know, start to expect to see a little bit
from him. Yeah, why not?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, it would I think leave people with a better
taste in their mouth and this defense, because I think
people are looking at this team as a whole, as
the quarterback, the cornerback, and a lot of a lot
of open roster spots.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yeah yeah, this will be his uh, his fourth game
in this fourth game. Yeah, so I think it's you know,
it's time to expect to see something from him. You know.
I don't think that's asking too much, right.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's just a cacophony of it is in the one
o'clock window, as they like to say, it looks like
there's not a lot of great football out there.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
Paul red zone mask.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I like it. I just see the ball bounce
around on the field at that point.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Here's one for you. Maybe somebody can help me on
this one. There's two great, great matchups today at four
twenty five. It's the Bills and the Lions.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
It's the Lucky, Yes we're twenty five today, it's the
Eagles and the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
My question, if someone knows this and I don't, why
are the Patriots playing at four to twenty five rather
than four o'clock or four to oh five.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
I think that's a broadcast thing with the do the
double headers. I think that's a rule. Whatever the rule is, Okay,
it's not about the game, it's about the market and
the window. Why why am I trying to answer this?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, because I shouldn't You have this, guys, I know,
but they change it every single time, you know, between
you know the it used to be obviously that there's
no rhyme or reason as to who does the games anymore.
You know, CBS will televise Dallas Washington.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
And you sit there and go, what, Yeah, I bring
that up the win because Washington, Mike, you might remember this, Mike,
you might know this. So I think someone called this
week and said that it's a rarity where both networks
are having double horror games. So there's four games on today,
so two one o'clock's on one on CBS, one on Fox, two,

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four twenty five's whatever on CBS and Fox. That generally
doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
No, it doesn't. And so when you sit there and going,
how do you not know a genius? It's because I
think they change the rules every week about this.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
You know, I didn't call you a genius. I just
said you know more about this than I do.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I'm paraphras nice touchdown catch there by a future Patriot
angle T Higgins.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Yeah, that's the way it looks. It's funny how that's worked.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
When I did that, What do you mean, do you
think they have the coin?

Speaker 6 (25:28):
Do you think that that's you think he's a resigned
A lot of people have starting to say that it
looks like he's going to be back. And since then,
since Anatis.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Some of the scuttle butt has been really because they're
gonna wheel Chase.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Oh no no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
No no, I just know respected scuttle but respected scuttle
But I.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Think yeah, over the last like two weeks, right, the
last two weeks, everybody, because everybody thought he was conference, Yeah,
Burrow has been saying it in people. People in in
the h in Cincinnati and on that bead have been
starting to say they could see him being back. They're
not calling it a lock or anything, but they could
see him being back, whereas a month ago it was
a foregone conclusion that he was gone.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah I am, I'm going to go anti scuttle butt
and the until the Bengals change their stripes, I think
they're going to be grudgingly pay for Burrow because they
have to they will begrudgingly pay for Chase because they
have to. But that's about it. You know, they'll draft
somebody and feel like that their evaluators can get a
second round, third round wide receiver and he'll be great, uh,

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opposite Chase.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's a good philosophical question to have because we you know,
it's so hard to talk. We talk all the time
of getting a number one here, But what happens if
you get kind of a one and that to one
be kind of guy like how much should the organization
stretch to keep both those guys? Like does it make
sense or does it you know, philosophically to say, look,
we got it. We can't keep two of these guys
for pay structure. We got to you know, invest a

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little bit on the defensive side of the ball. We
can't load up too much on.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
What's their record they have. They can't stop a nose
please in South Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Right. I personally would keep both because I'm like, I
want another team to have their hands full, like.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
To have to worry about I agree with Tamara.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Because I'm like, Okay, I say, if we do have
our number one and they double teaming him, I want
to have a guy just as good as him on
the opposite side.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So it's just I mean, I think it just goes
back to you can't pay everybody at every position, so
you have to selectively choose. Look, we're gonna put a
little bit more towards this.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
You can if you want to. I agree with Matt
that the Bengals have traditionally been one of the teams
that choose is not to.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Fiscally responsible, correct, And I would think that they are
going to be fiscally responsible.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
They what are they projecting it now? Two hundred and
seventy five million, two hundred and eighty five million in
the cap. Don't let don't listen to these people. Somehow
the owners of the these multi billionaires have convinced people
that you need to worry about who gets paid and
you can't have a tea like it's the greatest.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's like the usual suspect, a baseline of just budgeting
and like you just think, pay everybody everything, Like I
don't know what that that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
You can do, you can do whatever it is you
want to do, and you can structure the contracts however
you want. That's why it's a FACCTA cap with the
void years and all the other mechanisms that are in
place for you to get around the rules basically like
it's but it but it requires, you know, biting the
bullet and paying money, Like it costs real money to

(28:23):
do that. And you can make an argument, well, the
teams that do that don't win, you know, Okay, I'll
take your word for it. I'd like to you know, like,
you know, should the Celtics not have like resigned all
their players like and paid like four hundred million over
the cap because they're the best team in basketball? Or
can you not win doing it that way?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Do you put anything though?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
When having a pay structure, having like we don't we
want to pay Brady the highest and we're not going
to go over him or is it? T Higgins now
makes you know like like like that's the hard thing, right.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
I personally would care. I would personally try to do
the best I could to put the best team on
the field that I could possibly feel.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
All right, so let's make you, Mike Brown, Paul Pirillo,
I would sign T. You'd sign Higgins?

Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Okay, who is a good one.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I hope they do because I don't want to see
T Higgins in a Patriot uniform next year. I know
that's probably not.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
A popular Uh wait, why why don't you?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Because I think the Patriots need a number one receiver
and I don't think Higgins is.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
A number one receiver. Doesn't like guys that.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
No, Matt likes good players, talented okay, players like Higgins.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Wow, okay, Right.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
He's okay, he's a little bit better than okay.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
So one of the things that I learned from Matt
in his first year is the hostess mattest. What I mean, no,
very high bar. I was going to actually give you
a compliment. You have a very high bar of talent.
So what you think is talented?

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Who else is on Jamar Chase level to you right now?

Speaker 6 (29:41):
In the justin jeffersons as total not of us? That's
it it. No, I mean, he's okay. Quote, he's okay,
He's okay. He has a very high bar, and he's
very I know this probably sounds like I'm snarky Paul
right now. This is how Matt feels. He's very consistent
with it. And it's like Fred and I when we

(30:02):
talk about the Hall of Fame and how no one
will be in it, that's how Matt is with talents
when there's like five guys in the league that are
really talented and the rest of them.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Where Tyreek Kill and Debill is.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I mean, Tyreek Kill is upper echelon amongst the best receivers.
He was, he could have been and should have been
the most valuable player last year in the National Football Like,
that's how good Tyreek Kill is. He's getting older and
therefore I think this is just a guess. I don't
play a trainer. I don't All my guess is his
speed and plus he's been nicked a little bit this year.
You know, that dynamic part of his play hasn't been around,

(30:40):
and I think that's effective. Wattle's been in and out
to obviously been in and out. They just haven't been
able to find a rhythm. But Hill's at the upper
upper upper eche line. Who is the other one you
asked about?

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Debo?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
No? Thanks, no, thanks, No.

Speaker 6 (30:53):
You don't gas.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'll tell you he's really good, the kid for the Commanders. McLaren. Yeah,
that's I like that.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
What about George Pickens minus the minus the you would.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Not take George Pickens? Wow?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
No, you got you got a lunatic. You gotta find
I don't want that on my team.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
That's what that's how I build the team. You go
pay everybody everything and take anybody here's good. Here we go,
and I'm gonna be hanging some guys that I'm going
to be selective about.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
I'm with you, but you gave me a good reason.
You didn't say it. At first. I thought you didn't
think he was any good. Then you said he's a lunatic.
So that's why you wouldn't take him, right, that's fine?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
No, And I don't you know that's that's part of I.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Thought he was suggesting, like Matt that he's not any good.
Oh no, I didn't see t Higgins like thousand yard
receiver without Jamar Chase against a rookie.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
He's not any good. Always putting words in my mouth.
I think Higgins is a.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Good he's man man. I don't think he's man.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I don't think he's thirty two million a year player.
That's all.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
But that's what receivers cost. So I don't want to
pay him. I understand. And I told Mike, Mike is
right with you.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, but that's what players cost.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
If you don't want to pay them, then don't I
want to pay have the receiving core that you have
now no one on that receiving core makes thirty two million,
and you also don't have anybody in the receiving corp
that can catch the ball cannot fall down.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah, well there's there's a minder, glum.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I will say, watching you know, behind the scenes with
Pickens and hearing how other teams talk about him about it.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
All goes through this guy.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
But also seeing what Mike Tomlin has to go to
to manage him, like it's fine, like that.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Are you want to sign up for the ride?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Good?

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Oh no, you totally totally explain yourself.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Totally totally.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I'm saying though, like I have a different Like I've
kind of had this opinion of Pickens for a while now,
and but then to see the behind the scenes when
it's hard to maintain that opinion when you see the
Cleveland Browns, the Cincinnati Bengals talking about George Pickens, being like,
this is the guy like you hear of all the
things we hear not about the Patriots. But that's you know,
my personal book of the team. That's that's not for me,

(32:52):
that's not you know, spending time having to keep somebody.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
I would just respectfully disagree. But that's a very logical argument. Well,
I just and I said, I argue with Matt about
the wide receivers all the time, but he's got a
very like sound argument.

Speaker 8 (33:06):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
The hard thing is just splitting the hairs with t
Higgins of how good, how good is he? How good
do you think he is? How good will he? It's
not something separate of like, look, he's like yours as
much kind of heart.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
I just think the guy cannon. I would look at
it and say, I'll take Antonio Brown in Pittsburgh and say, Okay,
he's a loose cannon, but I might get five or
six years out of him.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Well, and I would take that chance.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
As we go behind enemy line and we're gonna be joined.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side?

Speaker 6 (33:36):
And that's why you're our favorite pregame show guests.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah every year and yours.

Speaker 9 (33:40):
Now you tell everybody that I was on about.

Speaker 10 (33:43):
You guys at twenty eighteenth Thursday Night football.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Yeah, and I was blowed out with the favorite game
for the show.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
No time now to go behind enemy lines.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
My god, it's got a ride by. And as we
go behind enemy lines, we are speaking with Darren Urban
of Arizona Cardinals dot Com. That is a team that
doesn't have to worry about who their number one wide
receiver is because they drafted him this year and Marvin
Harrison Junior. And how has the dividends or the benefits
of having Marvin Harrison Junior in the lineup been for

(34:11):
the Arizona Cardinals Darren.

Speaker 11 (34:14):
Well, I think at this point there's still a little
bit of a learning curve there for Harrison. I mean,
I think as they got into the year, there was
obviously tremendous expectations when you're talking about the fourth overall pick,
but it's shown up sometimes, it's shown up not other times.
And I think as a passing game as a whole,

(34:34):
they're still trying to figure some things out.

Speaker 10 (34:37):
You know.

Speaker 11 (34:37):
Obviously the Patriots have had some issues with their receiving core,
and the Cardinals haven't had a ton more production from
their wide receivers this season themselves. Their top pass catcher
is going to be tight end Trey McBride. So I mean,
I think Marvin Harrison gets there, but I think there
were people that thought, Okay, you're talking about a rookie

(34:59):
season like Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, and it never
hasn't quite happened. He's certainly been effective at times. He
does have seven touchdowns, so it's not like he hasn't
been a weapon. But I think there's still some growing
to do, and I think next year is going to
show a lot more of what Marvin Harrison be overall.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Darren just coming off three straight losses seems like, you know,
Cardinals a little bit one of these late seasons swoons. Again,
what's the energy around the team and what kind of
vibe do you get from them coming out today? What
kind of en do you think they'll bring.

Speaker 11 (35:33):
Well, I mean, they were in control of what they
had in front of them, and they let that go
in a big way. You know. They they went to
the buy, they were playing really good football. They lost
in Seattle. Okay, they played really well in Minnesota and
let that one get away from them at the end
of the game. But everything was still in front of them.

(35:53):
If they were able to beat Seattle last week, and
not only did they lose at home, but for the
first time Jonathan Gannon kind of mentioned the fact that
he was disappointed in there in their motor, as he
calls it, which is essentially their effort. And when you're
talking about a game where you have to have to
stay in control of the division, it's a disappointing turn

(36:16):
of events. I do think they're going to play well today.
I think everybody looks at, with all due respect to
the Patriots, if you're truly a team that still wants
to talk about potentially being in the playoffs or even
making a step forward as a team this year, this
is a game you need to win at home, and
you need to do it in a decent fashion. And

(36:37):
I know the Patriots have been playing better football, and
I know that the message to the Cardinals from the
coaching staff this week has been, Hey, last year, we
were a three win team, a two win team at
this time of year, and we went to Pittsburgh and
we went to Philadelphia and we won games. And this
is kind of where the Patriots are right now. They're

(36:57):
playing better football even though they only have so many wins,
and they can be dangerous, but you got to show
it on the field. I do think they're going to
perform well today because if they do win out, they
could still pootentially have some kind of hope. But I
think this is a very, very much a bell Weather
game for them, because when you're playing a team like this,
if you truly are a playoff team, this is when

(37:19):
you have to play Darren.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
What's been the common denominator in all three of the
Cardinals losses from the past three weeks.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
I think if you're gonna go with a common denominate,
it's the fact that the offense has been not as
effective as it should against In the two Seattle games,
it just wasn't good. They weren't scoring touchdowns enough. And
Kyler Murray has been throwing interceptions. I mean, Kyler Murray
had three interceptions in ten games before the buy. He's

(37:50):
throwing five interceptions in three games since the buy. So
that's a big part of it. But offensively, they need
to be more consistent. It got a little bit weird
because against Minnesota they had over four hundred yards of offense,
but every time they got near the goal line, they
couldn't push it over and they end up losing by
a point. So it hasn't been completely consistent over all

(38:13):
three games Seattle they just weren't doing it off offensively,
and I think again, can they do that to day
against the Patriots? Can they run the ball like they
normally can? Can their passing games be I hate to
keep using the word consistent, but it's just not there.
Like there are times when they make nice plays, when
Marvin Harrison makes a nice play, when they go to

(38:35):
Trey McBride, he's the dominating tight end that should be,
and then there's other times where it just gets lost
and they got to get to a point where it's
not as up and down as as asthmen.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Speaking of getting those touchdowns down Urban, how has Trey
McBride caught so many passes and not been able to
score a single one.

Speaker 11 (38:55):
You know what's funny about Trey mc bride is he
does have two touchdowns this year. He just happened to
do one on an end around and another one on
a fumble recovery that James Connor had.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yes, his fantasy owners are happy for those, but yeah,
I'm sure kind of looking for others.

Speaker 11 (39:10):
They've they've targeted him. He's been targeted in the end
zone a handful of times. He just hasn't come up with.
I mean, there was. There was at least one or
two where Kyler Murray just missed them, like he was
opening the end zone and he just missed them. There
was another time that, quite frankly, Trey probably could have
come down with the past man zone. It didn't quite
do it. Actually, he thinks two times in that regard,

(39:32):
like last week against Seattle, he was he was opening
the end zone and Kyler just was way high with
the path. So it's a weird combination. I do think
he's gonna get a touchdown catcher two before the seams over.
Who knows, maybe that today, but it does feel strange.
But again, a lot of that goes back to what

(39:53):
we were talking about before, which is they get close
to the end zone, they do not consistently score enough touchdowns.
And you know, if they were, I'm assuming Trey McBride
would be more involved in that.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
As I'm listening to your analysis, Darren, I'm hearing some
code words that coach called out the team for their efforts.
You know that this is a spot where you've got
to win the games that you're supposed to win. And
as I'm listening to you say that, my guess is
that you feel that this is a get right game
for Arizona today.

Speaker 11 (40:27):
Well, let me put it this way, it better be
a game right, with all due respect to the Patriots, Like,
I mean, you don't. I mean, no nobody, no coach
or players ever gonna say that. But when you're when
you're looking at it, Like again, if you're a playoff
team and you're at home against a team with three wins, like,

(40:48):
how do you not see that as a game and
a team that, while it's playing better, struggles in some
key areas, you know, like pass protection and and and
rushing the pastor I'd like you you have to capitalize
on those. The good teams capitalize on those and and
and to be frank, like, those are the game. These
are the games the Cardinals have one this year, like

(41:09):
they when when the Bears came in here and the
Jets team in here, Uh, the Cardinals dominated. Now I'm
not saying that's gonna happen today, but that's what's happening.
And in fact, one of the issues with the post
buys for this team is they played a Seattle team
that I think is is getting right with the first
year head coach, and a Minnesota team that's very good. Uh,
and that might be part of it is that they

(41:30):
just started playing more difficult teams here in that stretch
over the last three games. Well, the Patriots not one
of those teams. So you know, whether whether it is
a good, get right game or not, you know, sometimes
you've got to you got to take care of the
business that you've got to take care of if you
want to be that team that you think you are.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Darren.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Everybody sees Budda Baker's all over the place, But is
there anyone else on the defense you could highlight maybe
as a potential impact player today against the Patriots.

Speaker 11 (42:00):
Uh, Well, you guys will enjoy this one, I think. Uh.
You know, Mac Wilson Senior signed as a as a
free agent from the Patriots. He got a little bit
or run last year from Bill Belichick as a pass
rusher and that was enough that convinced the Cardinals that
he could be this jack of all trade linebacker and
they wanted to sign him as a free agent. And

(42:20):
for the most part, Uh, he's been that guy. He's
played really good football. He's played both off ball linebacker
and as as you rusher. At times, he's teams Kaisier
White kind of in the front seven to do some
nice things. You know. I don't know if he's necessarily
going to the Pro Bowl or anything, but for a

(42:41):
guy that quite frankly, has been under the radar most
of his NFL career, I think they they really hit
on him in free agency, and he's a guy that
I'm sure in fact, I talked to him, so I
know this. He's anxious to play this game today and
have a good game against this spot.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Really well. Put Darren Mack and Gerard Mayo was talking
about him earlier this week. So let's put you on
the spot, Darren, and give us a pick, please, sir.

Speaker 11 (43:06):
Well, I just talked all that mess, so I might
as well pick the Cardinals here. I think they're gonna
find a way to get in the end zone. Maybe
not as much as they'd like, but I think they
win this game twenty seven to fourteen and at least
keep their flight playoff hopes a lot.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
His name is Darren Urban of Arizona Cardinals dot Com.
Follow him, read him. He does a great job in
covering the Cardinals. Thanks you time today, enjoy the game,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Thanks for having me, Thanks Darren. Thanks Darren.

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Speaker 3 (48:10):
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We'll kick things off with Charlie in Cyprus, who writes
great show. As always, I'm really hopeful that the coaches

(48:31):
have learned from their mistakes as much as the players have. Yes,
some players have played badly or softly, but the coaches
have coached scared and or stupid. There's nothing to lose
in this game, So no conservative play calling or trying
to run out the clock, who's seven minutes left? And
definitely no baffling end of half game management. Thank you,
says Charlie and Cyprus. I think we can get on

(48:52):
board with that. I don't agree with some of his
verbiage as far as that is concerned. However, with four
games left, roll the dice. Yeah, I'm not saying this
saying I'm looking for flee flickering from your own ten
or anything like that, but let caution be damn.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's funny listening to Darren.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I think what I've picked up over watching, you know,
back to back three four wins seasons here is is
that NFL teams will still make plays from time to time.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
It's just consistency. Like that's the good teams.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
They can do it for almost the whole game and
especially toward the NAC They're gonna do it almost consistently
through those games that you know, when they matter the most.
You know, with this Patriots team this year, that Patriots
team last year. Darren was talking about the Cardinals this year.
You see glimpses of it, but they just don't do
it consistently enough.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
And I put that with the coaching staff too.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You see they've had a couple games where the defense
looks good, a couple games, not a lot. You're seeing
some creativity from the offense. You've seen some At times
they're aggressive, other times they're not. You know, so I
agree with the point, but I think that this is
kind of a symptom of just when you're not a
good team, it's.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Hard to execute day in day out, play in play out.
That's just that's how it goes.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Sure, Jay Wright, I'm fifty one and have watched the
Patriots my entire life. Even when they suck, I still
watch the entire game. What's wrong with me? He asks,
and I would say, Jay, nothing. You're a fan. That's
what you do. When you're a fan, and you're a
loyal fan, keep watching your fiandom and loyalty will be rewarded.

(50:25):
I don't know when, but it will be rewarded. Let's
hit the phone lines at eight five five pets five
hundred and if I can figure out how to work
the mouse, Let's see if I can get to Patty
for Maguan to kick things off. Good afternoon, Patty, how
are you today, sir?

Speaker 15 (50:41):
What is gentlemen?

Speaker 8 (50:42):
Let's go?

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I like the energy Patty always brings it, but I
like it right out of just I was gonna might
have already had an adult libation in him already. Nothing
wrong with that, of course.

Speaker 15 (50:57):
Of course I do.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Mac.

Speaker 15 (50:58):
Come on, it's Sunday, and I got the next week
off of work.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Good for you, Good for you, indulge for me.

Speaker 15 (51:03):
Will you better believe I'm indulgent?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Good for you?

Speaker 15 (51:06):
So, Deuce, I got a couple things for you, and
I got a two part question for you, guys thing Yeah,
well no, I got I got two things for you.
First off, when you said on Thursday show the frequently
frequently asked questions what you proposed to call it? I
loved it, like I cracking up laugh And yeah, listen

(51:29):
if if you want to start a band, dude, I
am a musician and I'm a very good musician. I
can I can play rhythm, guitar, I could play keys,
I could play bass. Whatever you need you to do, bro,
let's do it. Let's make it happen.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
I love it. I love twenty twenty five is the
year I get serious about my music. Not that it's
going to happen.

Speaker 15 (51:45):
Yeah, me too, buddy, happen.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I don't know what it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Guitar, I'm I think I'm like Patty. I can strum
the rhythm guitar, I can. I can tickle the keys
a little bit, but that's like fourth grade poce ands.

Speaker 15 (51:59):
I could I could throw a little leads in there.
I don't know about leads singing, but I could sing backups.
And I could do pretty much everything but drums. So
it's too it's too tough. But I can't. I'm too
old to learn. So here's my two part question. You know,
from the nerd metrics, we all know that Kyler Murray's
is not good when you send six or more people

(52:22):
at him. But do we are we able to generate
a pass rush with just sending five, like three, four
or five guys, because I think that's going to be important.
And on that same note, you know, maybe you throwing
the long horn package. But on the same note, like
I'm one guy has been very disappointed with this year,
and you know, maybe it's just an off year, but

(52:46):
I think I think Kyle Dugger has been he's been
nikally bad this year and could you see and this
might be more of a PU question, but I just
want to get your guys opinion on it today, like
after the season's over, could you see us possibly moving
on from Kyle Dugger after after this year? And I'll
take it off here, guys, and I'm picking. I'm biking
a Patriots win like Fred, I'm taking a twenty seven

(53:08):
to twenty four win.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
Let's go, baby, Let's make it happen.

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Speaker 4 (53:28):
I don't think they move on from them this year.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Did do some contract deep dives the last couple of weeks,
just curious what the what the cap hit would be.
He wanted to bite the bullet on some of these
contracts he did last year. I think most of them
are here for this year, but after that it gets
a little easier. But it's I think it's obvious that
that Kyle's had had some struggles, certainly again the ankle injury,
but uh, I think what was a couple of weeks
ago we were talking he had a hand and kind

(53:51):
of all the touchdowns he could have said he was
kind of involved in them that they allowed. So yeah,
I don't know. It's it's a disappointing. It's really disappointing.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Here's one for you with regards to Kyle Dugger. Is
Kyle Dugger a second banana at safety as opposed to
the top dog at safety? Is she better when there's
a when there's a more well.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Rounded with a dev.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And I know Devin mccordy's don't grow on trees, okay,
but is that maybe where a guy like Dugger shines
and if he gets that sort of safety blanket, no
pun not intended there away that maybe some of the
things as to why he was in Division two and
stuff like that, maybe those short of flare up a
little bit. Is that a fear?

Speaker 4 (54:36):
I mean, I think what you're saying is can you
can hide him then? And that's I think just.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Don't mean hide him, but maybe you can blitz him
a little bit more. You know, he can be a
little bit more of a ballhawk, where now if he's
got to be, you know, kind of running things out
there that might not be in his that might not
play to his strength.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Maybe, I mean, I think you're in the area on it.
I just I think the disappointing thing is that you
drafted the guy in the second round and you want
him to be an all around it safety who's improving
every year and really starting to, you know, make plays.
And you think about Devin mccordy, like the how he
really excelled at safety and you know, became the glue
of that three man group that really ran things on

(55:14):
that back end for those championships, And I just I
think that's what's frustrating is you just haven't really seen
that development from Kyle Dugger. And it goes back to
what I was saying about consistency. Like he's made some
plays in the past, he's, no question, but there's a
lot that you're.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Like, man, that's Dugger and coverage just a step behind.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
Again. I don't think he's ever been a great coverage player.
I agree with that, but he's a playmaker and he
hasn't made many plays this year, right, it's you know,
has been hasn't been a good year for him.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
As we just hear from Paul. Travis writes in I
wanted to let Paul know he's got that quote quarter
pole thing backwards?

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Get ready?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
In horse racing, the quarter pole is a quarter mile
from the finish line. Thank you, says Travis in West Virginia.
Bob numaire here? Did you did you miss that on
the quarter pole?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Paul?

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Or no?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Might Travis be right?

Speaker 6 (56:03):
According to Travis, I missed it.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I thought that was Freddy.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
It was explained to me exactly the opposite way. But
I'll take Travis's word because I'm not a hot horse
horse racing officion.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Not a you're not a handicapper, I am not, Okay,
so I'll take Travis's word on that. Okay, We're coming
up close to the witching hour here, Tamara, and math,
among many things, is not my strong suit. But at
a little past five of the hour, when does the
inactive list get released for a four to twenty five game.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
I'm also really bad at math.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
It's a ninety minute mark, so wouldn't that be a
two fifty five?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Approximately?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Let me get my shoes off and start counting my toes.
But I got to believe that that's we're in the neighborhood, aren't.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
We We are, we are in the neighborhood. I'm sure
they'll be coming down the pike here in a minute,
but I think just to call out, you know, I
think Paul had a good observation last couple of weeks
of just talking some of the guys that have been
on the injury report. You know, who's active, who's able
to go? Tamara mentioned some of the sickness. Is that
going to hold some guys back? I think there are
some you know, questions today, not along the wide receiver group.

(57:08):
I think that's pretty much set in with with Jaymon
Baker and concussion protocol. But otherwise, you know, we'll see
if there's any any other surprises, and.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Sort of remind fans the Patriots are going into this
game with four wide outs. It's Booty, kb JP, Pop,
Douglas and Pop and Polk. You know, so if one
is looking to see Polk emerge, there's no better time
to do it than today, would wouldn't you say? But
there's gonna be opportunity.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
I feel like the opportunity really hasn't changed in my opinion,
because typically they've only had four actually playing yep so and.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
A lot of times season on like blocking downs, like
they want him to go block, you know, block guys downfield,
or you know, come across the middle and try to
Evan likes to say, dig out the three techniques.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
There you go a mesh contra.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It's maybe, but yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, I'd
love to see Polpe be able to go. It's been
one of the biggest head scratches of my career here
working for the team and watching a lot of training
camp practices and you see guys in the summer and
you get a pretty good sense of what they are,
and it almost has always carried over into the season.
And he's one that I really thought was on track

(58:16):
for going to be a solid year. Good hands, third down,
you know, third and six, he gets you seven with
a strong catch and gets down. Those are the kind
of plays I expected to see. I've mentioned it last
play of mini camp. Gets competitive down there back in
May before training camp. Maythrow's a fade to Jalen Polk.
They score a touchdown, big celebration, kind of put a

(58:37):
cap on OTA's and mini camp and all that, and
you left that point feeling like, all right, this this
second round kid's gonna come in and contribute, and it
is it. It's I mean, I guess disaster has got
to be the word. I mean, there are stats out there.
You know, PFF grades take them for with their worth,
but you know, just completely below production.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
That you would expect this kid to have. And it's
a head scratcher.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And I hope that if it doesn't happen over these
final four games, that he's able to get back on track.
He's been getting these questions constantly over the course of
the season as he's continued to fight it.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
But I would love it if he could have a
game where he all of a sudden five six catches.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It's not going to change how his rookie season went,
but at the same time, it will at least give
you a reminder and some reason for belief this offseason that,
you know, maybe he can be part of this wide
receiver mix goal.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
So I want to ask you this, Mike, if you're
scratching your head, what do you think Elliot Wolf Matt
grow But the wide receiver coach Tyler Hughes, who had
him in Washington. What must they be doing because somebody
got up on the table in April and said, this
is our guy, you know, and imagine the frustration that

(59:48):
these people who in some cases put their reputation on
the line. This is a guy. He's going to be fine.
What must they be thinking about this? Ezra in week
fifteen and this is what we're working with so far.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Especially to me, he's the kind of guy that doesn't
feel on paper like a hugely risky project. He felt
like he has a floor because he's strong. Yep, he's
fast enough, he's got good size there. It wasn't like, hey,
we're going to take a flyer on this one hundred
and seventy pound guy, and maybe he turns out to
be Tyreek Hill, but more likely than not, he's just
not going to have the size to be able to

(01:00:21):
compete in this league. I think Polk has all the
physical traits that he needs, not maybe not to get
to like a number one too, you know that, but
to be a really so the type of player. And
so I imagine I'm scratching my head. I imagine they're
scratching their head in their pounding the table of like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
How where did we miss on any of how did
this go wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And I'm not sure what the answer is, Like I said,
I just that's uncharted territory for me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I've never seen something quite like it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
I thought that, especially once Drake May got in and
started playing. I was like, Okay, great, this will be
Polke's chance because these two have been like attached at
the hip since they got here. They stay after practice
with each other, they have great chemistry. Once Drake starts,
everything will make sense for Polk And it hasn't quite
happened that way. So that's a bit surprising to me too,
is thinking like, Okay, this guy is going to be

(01:01:07):
his security blanket. He's going to be like a Jacobe
Myers for Mac Jones. But it hasn't shaken out the
way I thought it would.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Speaking of wide receivers, an email for you, Deuce from
Mike and Boca Raton. Did Deuce get to see number
eighty three yard end of half TD from undrafted Holy
Cross receiver JN.

Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
Koker?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
That one?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
No, I didn't see it, but thank you for Colin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
And I know he's been he's been having some success
down there with Carolina and he was an awesome player
to watch. Uh, you know, jumped out of the gym
and the combines. I'm always excited for one of these
these crusaders to go on to the NFL and then
have success. And he's a great kid. So thank you
for the shout out. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I'm pulling forward for more.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
So you got it? Yes, do we have a breaking
news sounder Marine Corps.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
I feel like it needs to be like Law and Order.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Okay, that needs to be sound Okay, yeah, we break it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
I feel like like officials should be like the Law
and Order, like done done, Okay, let us have it,
and actors are out and the highlight is cold strange.
We talked about at the top of the show with
him being added to the fifty fifty three man roster,
he is going to be inactive today. So it looks
like we were talking about the top of the show, how
much will he play today? Will you get him in

(01:02:18):
there at center? Will you get him in there at guard?
He's not going to play today. So it's very unfortunate
because you know, you would hope to start getting that
chemistry going with Drake May to see what do you
have in the last four games but looks like he
wasn't quite ready to go, and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Got to be what it is, that they just don't
think that he's ready to be put into action.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Yeah, simple, Yeah, and then the list Baker, we obviously
knew that Marte mapu Od met out at safety, Joel Milton,
you know, emergency quarterback, Tyrese Robinson, and then Cole Strange
short list.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Dude, should we getting into head scratching territory with mister
mapuh I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Don't know if I know what you're saying. I don't
know if I would call it head scratching.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I think it's more that this is the writing is
now on the wall that we're starting to realize that,
you know, Del Pettis, Jalen Hawkins, are you know, more
valuable I guess at this point in the coaching staff
size than than Marty maphu Is. So it's another disappointing
second round guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
We're talking about a healthy scratch here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
He scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I think I think he came off the I think
he came off the report, yeah, a couple of weeks ago.
So yeah, I mean he came back, remember, and he
played like a linebacker, and he played like every Snyer,
We're like, welcome to the party, Marte Mapu. Time to
get excited, and he had han't been able to maintain that.
Peppers came back, and you know, I mean just I
think the story really is pointing to like del pettis like,

(01:03:36):
you know, a young undrafted guy coming in and granted
there's some differentiation of the roles there, so it's you know,
they're different players. I think it's probably more a little
bit related to Jalen Hawkins whereas del pettit's a really
kind of a special teams player. But you know, nevertheless,
it's a guy that they drafted highly that you were
hoping could emerge. Talk about disappointment at the safety position

(01:03:57):
got hurt like the first day of practice in training camp,
missed all of training camp. You know, a ton of
credit for coming in, but again he's had a couple
months now to prove himself and to really cover out
that role full time amongst guys that are you know,
above him on the depth chart at least when the
season started, and he hasn't been able to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
So it's, yeah, it's disappointing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
And what's crazy is too is like with if say,
of the whole thing with Peppers didn't happen, those other
two safeties would never have played as much as they
did for the coaches to feel like, Okay, we can
do without Mapu. So it's interesting that, like just the
way this has played out. Obviously you can't expect injuries
and things like what happened with Peppers to happen, but

(01:04:35):
it's like if that would have never happened, if Dugger
wouldn't have hurt his ankle, if Peppers wouldn't have been out,
those other two wouldn't have gotten as much playing time
for the coaches to see, Okay, this is what we
have here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah, let me say one more thing on this mat too,
And I think really what's more disappointing to me is
just how hard it's been for them inside off the
ball linebacker, which is plenty of people gonna bring, plenty
of people probably watching right now who were pounding the
table for him to play linebacker, and you know it's
been tough. I mean, they've gone to Christianellis, who's been
probe primarily a special teams player, you know, Jilani Tavai

(01:05:06):
playing a little bit out out of position, and so
I think as much as it's on the surface, you're
looking at Marte Mapu is a safety.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
I think really it's a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Disappointing when you think, like they couldn't get him at
off football linebacker. They couldn't give him after he did
that cold off the bench from being injured. So I
like the coaches are watching it, so I'm sure that
he's just not quite a fit that they want inside
like that. But I think that's what more disappointing. I
think really that would be that would get me excited
if all of a sudden he's inside and playing just linebacker.

(01:05:36):
Let the other three guys with Hawkins worry about the
safety spot. So yeah, it's it's not shaping up to
a great year for Marti Mappo.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Unfortunately, I preface this Michael as a head scratcher, and
I think we've talked ourselves into it is a head scratcher.
It's a head scratcher.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Well, I think that the thing that's being scratches he's
just you know, he's not earning the opportunities over on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
You would hope that either it was a third round pick,
should be seeing if he's healthy. In my opinion should
be seeing significant time and isn't. So we wonder why
an emailer here, this is E from or L from Wisconsin.
Based on how Matt feels about wide receiver talent, I'd
love to hear how he evaluates the current Patriots wide
receiver group. I think they're a bunch of two three

(01:06:20):
four wide receivers at best. And I say that, you know,
I'm a big KB fan. P kb's not Kendrick Bourne
is not a number one wide receiver. I joke that
there is a scribe who commented about Pop Douglas and he's
a threat to score every single time he touches the ball.
I just think that's hyperbole at its at its worst

(01:06:42):
when you say something like that. I think Douglas has
a chance to be a decent slot receiver, but he
has shown no consistency to date. Booty as pleasant surprise
of anybody so far this year. But his consistency is
you know, up and down like everybody else. And who
am I missing that's playing today? Besides that? There you go, yeah, yeah,

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it's it's they're clearly crying for an alpha wide receiver.
So alpha wide receiver and free agency plus a very
high draft pick, and I would think then that the
other receivers, if let's let's say they all come back,
are slaughtered to maybe where they deserve to be, but
without any alpha right now, I think you're asking them

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to do things that they're just not it's not the
right fit.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Also to say, I don't really want you to draft
another high one because you haven't proved to me that
you can draft one and develop one. So I would
almost want you to get your one and then your
one b from like somewhere on the market, just because
I have not seen you be able to draft and
develop one or draft one that actually just pans out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
So I'm gonna put you on the spot, Tamara. The
Patriots wind up the twenty four season with the third
overall pick in the draft, as they did last year.
Number one in one way shape or form of the
Vegas Raiders, number two in one way shape or form
of the New York Football Giants. One of them takes Sanders,
the quarterback at Colorado one. The other one takes cam
Ward of Miami. Number two staring you in the face

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is the Heisman Trophy winner, one hundred and seventy pound
Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
What do you do cornerback, part time receiver, protect by quarterback,
even though that offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
And I probably haven't done your grades yet, Deuce.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
I'm going out do Carter. Yeah, Penn State. That's That's
where I'm at right now.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
At three, I gotta protect my quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
I would do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Uh, I mean, I would you do Micael Parsons at three?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
I would do?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I think that's I think that's the energy he brings
to a defense. I think right now, and look, I look,
and I'm just at least i'd make the call.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
I've looked at a lot of these guys, and that's
that's my feeling right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
This defense is wretched. You want to stare at the
wide receiver position all you want. You can't manufacture a
guy to be there. And you can talk about Travis Hunter,
but he might be a cornerback.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
So you know that's Is he the most explosive player?

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah, And that's intriguing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
And so when he was a full time receiver, and
we're talking about full time receiver, I'd be a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
That kind of talent perhaps, So I guess what do
you want that project?

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Well, here's what I want to say to Tamara is
when Tamara goes and I get it. Their track record
is not very good in developing wide receivers. The streets
are littered with Taekwon Thornton and people like that. But
this is a general is this? He's this guy a
generational player. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. Can you not
screw him up? If you just put him outside and

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he's your wide receiver and he's he's the focus point.
That seems like that wouldn't be That would be one
that might be fool proof. That's all I'm saying. He's
not Marvin Harrison because I don't think he's the route
runner and the tactician. Maybe that Marvin Harrison in and
great gems with Marvin Harrison, But this guy Hunter is
a generational kind of a talent.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
He is. But I think when I look at the
market for the offensive line, I just don't think the
Patriots are going to have that elite player available that
they can pay, especially because they are need to pay
for that wide receiver one. I need a really good
offensive line for Drake may for next year. I can't
have half of the offensive line that you pick up
in the offseason cut midway through the year because they

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didn't work out. I need an elite player, not a
Walmart brand offensive lineman, like I need like a really
really good player. So I think if it was me
with the third overall pick, I'd be picking something that
can protect.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Man like I'm gonna ask to repeat. So you're telling
me there's a guy at three. If you're three, there's
an offensive lineman that's worthy of that pick that you
would make at three and bypass Hunter.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Uh No, I well, I don't think there is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I mean, I think most most of the rankings right now,
if you're gonna pull Tamara's plan will be trade down
a little bit and take it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
You know that that will be the ideal. I think
right at that point there, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
That's maybe you could get some generation interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna poo poo Hunter. I'm
not gonna say no, I don't want that. He's he's
too talented. I just say, when I look at what
I've seen from this Abdul Carter kid from Penn State,
is I see a guy who is electric coming off
the edge and who has a who moves special And
I know what the needs are, But sometimes you got
to pick what's there. So if you ask me right

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now what I would do, I would take a guy
who's gonna instantly transform your pass rush and bring some
serious juice off the edge to your defense.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
So is there a way to trade down and get
two of these or is that impossible?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Well, you're looking for multiple picks if you're trading getting it,
But that's too good.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
But that's I think that's the question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Though, with the two quarterbacks you mentioned, Matt if they
go off the board and the Patriots are sitting at three,
is there still somebody? Is someone going to trade up
for Hunt? Travis Hunter, you know, or Tach McMillan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Okay, Carter, I actually took because I'm a literal guy, Mike,
I took you literally, and I apologize To say that
I've done no draft rep would be a great exaggeration.
When you said MICHAEH. Parsons. I actually believed you when
you said MIKEH. Partons, because there's a theory out there
that maybe Dallas and Micah Parsons can't come to terms

(01:12:06):
on a contract that they've spent their money on ceedee lamb,
they've spent their money on deck and maybe Mike is available.
I mean, would you trade the number three pick for
Micah Parsons?

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
Yep, Yeah, I think I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Would all back and he doesn't even hesitate off the
top right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Yeah, this was my thing that I put on the
PU Show about three weeks ago, and I would absolutely
do it. I don't think they would because I don't
think they have any interest in paying him what's going
to cost them have them. I would do that in
a blink.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I think it just shows Matt. I think some element
of creativity. And I mean, we're all we could talk
about t Higgins till we're blue in the face. There's
gonna be a lot of if he hits the market,
there's gonna be a lot of guys after T Higgins. Yes,
he can't be the end all be all. Our team
is not gonna make it if we don't get T Higgins.
So those kind of creative moves. Another you know thing
I'd point out to Gary Bowles was, you know, one
of the tackles that you looked.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
At in the market.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Now he's off the market. You see what Denver does.
They've got a young quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
It's like, there's no way they're gonna let this guy go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Uh, it's it's hard. It's hard, I mean everything, Tamara said,
needing an offensive line. I totally agree. But I think
they've got to be creative. Like you said, it's it's
it's not gonna be the simple paint by numbers like
all right, well this guy t Higgins and you know,
like they need to go outside of the box a
little bit. I think to try to get guys like that.
I know Evan Lazarre mentioned like a Christian Watson type guy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
I don't know if I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Necessarily agree with that, but he's a guy that's coming
into you know, his last year. He's he's that's the move,
like you traded with him a year early before he
hits the market. Green is always you know, down to
kind of re up their draft picks. Those kind of
creative things I think are with what they where, they
can really make some noise.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
He Higgins light.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Peter in Scotland has kind words for yours. Truly, did
Fred make a huge mistake when he hand picked Matt
after a trip to Duncan five years ago to replace
the goat Hardy? Should we be moving on with with
Rob Barth being on the market I don't know what
that means, just joking, Matt. I don't think so, Pete.
But that's okay. You're more than the titles of your opinion.

(01:13:59):
Drake Man the offense to look good today, Patriots thirty one,
Cardinals twenty. I like to pick Peter. I don't understand
his raw barth Alex Barth.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
I would assume that's supposed to be the yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
This is another Pats win today. This is from Johnny
in Madtown, who writes, I tend not to talk about
my successes in life, but today around noon, I graduated
from the University of Wisconsin, Madison with a BA in
communications with in digital studies. Deuce for a guy that
wants to get involved in as well as podcasting, how

(01:14:33):
did you get your start? Thanks for always being entertaining
and don't let Paul talk over you. Pat's win today,
win one for Johnny, says Johnny. Congratulations Johnny on your accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Oh well, I mean there ingrats Johnny. Congrats Johnny.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Uh find a niche somehow, that's how That's how I
would say. Whether you're if you're just gonna want to
be a screenwriter.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Right right, right right right. Have people read it, get it,
and you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Start a podcast about what you like, start talking about it,
start develop them a voice. I mean I kind of dabbled.
I was in entertainment and I was starting a Patriots blog.
I'm on the side and doing podcasts and all that.
So you know, follow your passion and and you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
You gotta you gotta do it though, you gotta get
the reps.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Whatever you're gonna do. I'd say that's that's my biggest advice.
Get on get on air, talk about stuff, write about stuff,
do over and over and over and over again, and
find your niche.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
I've made the masses unhappy. This is Andre from New Jersey.
Matt saying that t Higgins is not a number one
or limb is just okay, is absolutely ridiculous. It is
that you're nuts, And sign me up for Higgins to
the Patriots this upcoming off season.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Okay, Okay, Wait, Matt, I have one more question because
we're still on this topic and I forgot to ask
you about him. Great, what do you think of Devonte Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
On the down side of his career? Is in the
right situation, I think would be a pretty good player
to have on your team, a good receiver, but he's
no longer number one.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
So would you is he a one bee?

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
I don't think so anymore, So he's a two. I
think he's a two on a good team.

Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
I'd move him to another fencing position that I've never
said that I've never seen anybody do, other than to
Tonga Baila.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Who is that I'm asking on this team? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Right, but I mean but.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Okay, so okay, maybe I would say one bee. But
I'm asking you because he technically has not signed a
contract with the Jets for next season. That is that
is not done.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Right, So I would assume he's going to get cut
and that whoever comes into New York is going to
clean house a little bit with Rogers. With Adams, absolutely wizard.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
Would you try to get him plus like as your
one B plus another one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
I'd like Adams in a in a as a number
two receiver. And there's somebody like Higgins and DeVante Adams
on the same team. That's an interesting combination. I'd like that. Again,
I don't think Higgins is your true number one. He's
not on the team that he's on right now. But
him with Adams that's a decent parent.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
I would rather that than get T Higgins and then
draft a high wide receiver only because I don't know
if you can develop him, because you haven't proved me
that you can develop one. And also just we have
Polk and Baker already that are still on the roster.
You need to get them ready.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
I just yeah, you know what I want, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I want to spend a year here without spending all
my time covening other people's wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Yes, that's what I want, is.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
The best mind. I just like I can't might get
five years.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Five years, I mean being doing back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
To Terrell Owens back in like you know, twelve and
thirteen when he was done. Like it's just that's the
storyline that that just annoys me the most. And I
put it on the Patriots, like draft one, develop one,
so I please help me so I don't have to
spend all You're like, well, if we only had they
the DK metcal But you can't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
They can't do that though. You can't have no but
you can't say they didn't develop one last year, so
you can never draft one again because they haven't had success.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
You have to you got to keep late.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
You know, I'm old enough, as Matt likes to say,
to remember when they couldn't draft tight ends and then
they got Rob Gronkowski, Like they tried and tried and tried,
and they had average tight ends that they, you know,
thought were going to be more than that, and Daniel
Graham and Ben Watson and then they got you know,
the arguably the greatest tight end whoever played.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Who's the last wide receiver they developed?

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
I don't care, I don't like. So who was the
last quarterback they developed before Drake May Tom Brady? So
should they have not drafted Drake May because they hadn't
drafted a quarterback since two thousand that panned out? You
have to you have to try, is all I would say.
Like I think that Tamara is one thousand percent right

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that they failed with numerous second round draft picks, you know,
in wide receivers in Nikhil Harry's case, a first round pick.
But you can't just say, well, I can't do it
because you need tight and you need wide Receivers's.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
What's newly frustrating to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I agree with your point, is just that at least
in the past where you have like Jacoby Myers like,
all right, well, you know, like they don't have a
guy with elite talent, but at least this guy has
developed into a serviceable NFL player, Like this year, it's
been a battle to get serviceable NFL player out of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Any of these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I mean, the best story in this group is that
Kaishawan Boody emerged from training camp the dog a piece
to like playing every snap And I'm just saying playing
every snap.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
Yes, I also think Drake may may be able to
make these guys better. So maybe the next guy that
they draft doesn't have to be you know, as good
immediately because may is going to make him look a
little bit better. Maybe. Yeah, that's a lot. That's the
point putting a lot on Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I I agree, But yeah, and Tamar I made that
point about Polk, which is what you know, I thought too,
Like these guys are young, like you could just feel
like the desire for them to work together, like they
both want it to work out. They know they're here
in the same year. I mean they you know, they
had the little throwing sessions after practices, like you can see.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
That they want it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
But I just there's been a disconnect this year where
I you know, I didn't even feel in years past
where like I said, at least guys like Jacoby.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Myers, would you know, all right, well he's he's getting it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
You know, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Look, he's never going to be DeVante Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
But at the same time, you know, have you seen
that kind of development and that consistency for any of
these guys, Know, you hear.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
A lot of my thing the last couple of weeks.
My bad, Now that was my bad. I didn't I
didn't run quite to the sticks. Now that was my bad.
I didn't quite get the play.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
Communication like enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
If you do, my bads, that's you know, that's the
stuff that that I assume you're not hearing from elite
teams that win at the end of the season and
start to play their best football. There's not a lot
of I just didn't get the call on that one. Well, okay,
that was you know, the game to go to the
Suit Bowl was on the line.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
You just didn't get that. That doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Uh. SPI in Fresno has an interesting question about one
of our great sponsors. I know we've got a big
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Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
We got a croller? We got a strawberry frosted.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
We got a butternut butter crunch, maybe couple frosted. Maybe
that's a lemon powdered. Perhaps, Yeah, they look good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Let's go back to the phone.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
Make sure make sure you put that back together right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
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on the line. Kendall, good afternoon. You're with us now
on the Patriots pregame Social Fueled by Duncan, the aforementioned
Duncan by the bye, Hi Kendall, Kendall going once, going twice.
We'll say goodbye to Kendall. Call back if you would,

(01:21:42):
Dan and Colorado is next up on the Patriots pregame
Social fueld by Duncan, Hi, Dan, what do we got?

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
We got bugs Moreau, Mike, should you do it? Dan?
That's for Fred Ya. He's not listening all right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
And around things out. Let's try Justin in Virginia. Justin
is next on the Patriots pregame Social Fuel by Duncan.
What does blue mean? By the way in the call screen,
you got to know when to hit it again.

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
Just push away from the table.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Justin, are you there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Means you didn't hang up on the previous caller, you
put the next one on hold.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Thank you, hey, car you justin?

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:22:21):
Awesome?

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
Hey.

Speaker 10 (01:22:23):
So the piggyback off you guys is why receiver conversation liked.
What I really want him to do is just to
get the lay up because like coming up on our
second pick, I remember thinking like get Ladi Merconky's, for
the love of God, just get Lad McConkie. Don't do
Then they suddenly trade down and I'm like, oh God,
what the hell are we doing? Then they get they
it's like another continuation of like the George Pickens, Taekwan Thornton,

(01:22:48):
DK Metcalf, Nikhil, Harry keenan Ell and Aaron Dobson. Like
they got to stop this pattern of like there's an
obvious guy right there on the board to go try
to get. Then they like trade down and they get
a guy you probably shouldn't get.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Excellent, excellent.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
I'm not a big I'm not a big proponent of
trading down, you know, under the premise of well, I can't.
There's a group of guys there I can get that.
You know, they're the same, Like, identify the one that
you like and get them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
I got a good I got a good I got
a good tidbit for you. Actually that's something I dug
up there, but I can't share it on you. So
now we don't need to hear you about your tidbit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Just real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
So you know, Patriots re signed a lot of guys,
and I remember me the last couple of years being
like they need to establish a new core. Do you
know they have the eighth most guys under contract for
next year in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
So they forty three guys. It's it's I think the highest,
like forty nine. So they have a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
What do you think of it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
I think it's bad.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Couldn't agree more.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
It's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I know, no, And that's why I'm kind of you know,
calling myself out a little bit of talking about re establishing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
That that core.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Uh yeah, And certainly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
There are a number of players that are you know,
easily can get cut. But at the same time, it's
you know, you've got a lot of guys already on
the roster that you've added and not a lot of
firm answers. And I think that's that's the hard part.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Uh Okay, this is Speed with another email, who's chiming
in touch back?

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Paul's got a touch back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
This Bengals guy just fumbled the ball like walking into
the job.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
He fumbled it on a juts job anyway, that's what
does that mean? What was the guy who on the
end a round scored for the Jets and he started
to celebrate before the end line and they caught it back.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
Yeah to me, that's the Deshaun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Uh yeah, Jackson is Speed Rights?

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Why am I I thought the thing? I had a
brain far for a second or two. You're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Pronus to soft tissue injury plus declining production doth not
a number one make Matt is right. Additionally, Matt as
an underrated host, he's improved as an assertive contributor by
moving away from the interviewer style of hosting and just
waiting to hear him read my donut email. So we
had to get the gratuitous plug in there. That's all right,
I like it. I can live with that uh more
wide receiver talk. So the thing about them drafting a

(01:25:06):
wide receiver is that, with the exception of Thornton, they
just keep drafting the same guy. They continue to get
guys with the exact same skill set and it never
works out. Then they go and get the same guy again.
That's l from Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (01:25:18):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Do you agree with that you're going after the same guy?

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
I don't. I think they've had I think Nikhil Harry
is much different than the guys that you know, like
Jalen Polk.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
I don't know. Jlen Polk is half the size of like,
you know, in terms of you know, yeah, thickness, let's
put it that way, you know, I mean they might
be similar heights and weights, but you know, Nikhil Harry
was a bit ni kill. Harry looks like a tight end, right,
I don't think that's actually the same.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Is he really tried in there a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Paul, you were doing you're doing one of your other shows, and.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
I was disappointed about Cold Strange, but I had.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
This hypothetical came up that I addressed with Tamara. If
you the Patriots are sitting at three and the Giants
and or Raiders do some sort of combination of Sanders
one ward two, and you're sitting there at three, do
you take Travis Hunter?

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
I would, yeah, but I also need to know more
about the draft in general.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Well, this is December fifteen, you're married to it now,
but I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Like I think he's an amazing player, and I would
absolutely take him. But if you're telling me that there's
an edge rusher or a cornerback or a wide receiver
or whatever the position is that's as good as he is,
then I would take the other guy. Now. I think
that Travis Hunter is a tremendous cornerback. I think he

(01:26:47):
can play wide receiver. But I I mean, I haven't
done all the research that it takes for this. I'm
not qualified to make the actual pick. I just think
that they're in an enviable spot where they can take
literally any position but quarterback and be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
The other thing that feeds into it, and we've been
talking about this a little bit on PU is that
it's a strong class for cornerbacks. So if you go
and you spend some money on one of these guys
in free agency, to me, it kind of might you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Can load up on corner in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
It might take Travis Hunter as cornerback. It pumps them
down the list a little bit. Right now, if we
stand if they went through free agent, he didn't address cornerback.
There's some appeal to me of saying, all right, he's
really good. They just they need talent, they need an
electric player. They need somebody who's gonna put butts in seats,
and that's what he is. But I do think that
free agency could maybe have an effect on that if

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they went out and spent some money on a guy
to put across from Gonzales.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Good point eight five to five, Pats five hundred, host
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can right a wrong. Dan, You're next on the Patriots
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Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
Hey guys, And that was my fault before that was
not the host error, Thank.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
You, all right, customers, always right there. It was my fault.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Agree to disagree.

Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
So it's tough to not watch games this time of
year and just remember Patriots the years pass where this
time of year the offense is just cooking.

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
They're cruising.

Speaker 8 (01:28:18):
These teams they would play it late in the season,
are just sacrificial lamps before the playoffs. And I know
that's not this team this year, but what I'd like
to see in common with that is just I want
to see the consistency. I would like to see this
team to do its own version of cruising. I was like,
it's if it's if it's made a hunter, Henry, I
want to see that. I want to see that work
out really well today. I want to see Drake May

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you know, in the pocket making the right reads. I
want to see the consistency. I want to see them
cruising as much as they can cruise this time of year.
If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
To you, bet, yeah it does. And thanks for your
persistence and sticking with it, Dan, I do think that
that makes sense. And you know what, Mike, I'm going
to direct this one with you because I don't know
that Paul would share my feeling on this. But Dan
hinted on something there as he's talking about watching the games.
I think I'm over these four and thirteen, three and

(01:29:09):
fourteen kind of years that are going on now. Like
I remember, you know, I'm old enough to remember December
as where we're looking at playoff positioning and what the
other team's schedules are coming like down the like. Now
none of that is we're talking about. Can we get
a first round potential bust into the lineup to see
if he can play center? Those are the things we're

(01:29:29):
talking about now. It just reminds me me and were
we spoiled for such a long time? This is what
the rest of the league's going through. Can they get
their first round potential bust to you know, change positions
in fine someplace to utilize him because you spent some
decent capital on him. It's a different world we're living
in now, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Thank God for Drake May.

Speaker 6 (01:29:48):
We didn't have Drake May, it would be right and
because we would be talking about draft positioning and all
that stuff. If you know you did you didn't think
you had the guy? Yeah you know, so, yeah, it's
it does change it from last year. It makes it
a lot a lot more palatable than last year.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I just I said to Paul we were and Evan
we were walking over to one of the press conferences
this week, and I was just like, man, it's just
I can't remember the last time watching like a big game,
like a you know, a real like legit like good
team versus good team.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
There's some kind of ramifications to the game. It's you know,
it's been a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Of well, let's just try to put it together this week,
see if we can, if we can get some guys
playing right, and you know, it's been a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
It's it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
You're getting a little philosophical on me, So I'll go
in this direction. I don't think anybody here knew what
to expect when the season started. They go to Cincinnati
and clearly, by the base of the rest of their work,
they overperformed or outperformed to the mean in the Cincinnati game.
Where's it gone wrong? And it's in a lot of
different places that it has gone wrong since the Bengals game,

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hasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, just haven't been able to get consistent. I think
that's the bottom line really. I mean, there's obviously plenty
of elements and specifics that you can get into, but
they just haven't been able to eliminate the bad football
and play their best football.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
When the game is on the line consistently enough.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Not sexy, but it's the truth. Amber in Arizona is
going to the game today. It's my birthday. I'm attending
the Patriot's Cardinals game today and in caps. Give me
a little point of sisters here, Paul, if you would.
I'm so excited and I watched as someone from Arizona
who did some work with the Cards. I'm getting a
lot of shade from my family and friends and they're
all in Cardinals gear, but I'm proudly representing in my

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Patriots jersey. I'm also hoping they give me a maj
jersey for my birthday. Excited for hopefully a great game
and a good performance from Drake May. Always looking forward
to hearing your takes. Thanks for being a great listen.
That's Amber and Arizona. Have a great time at the
game today. Have we determined or not we? Have they determined?
Roof or no roof? We opened a close today.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
I believe Mike Res speculated it would be open.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Okay, nice weather open. According to Matt Morrell.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
You guys might know this as two gentlemen who have
had the privilege to go to Super Bowls in Arizona
were they was the cloven for that, both of them
close for both.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Right, Paul couldn't tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
You were close, focused on the feel. He wasn't looking
up at the ceiling.

Speaker 6 (01:32:09):
No, I just like it's beautiful there, so like the
weather's not an issue, so who cares? Yeah, I think
it was the same weather. It was open or close.
I didn't think it mattered. I vaguely remember it being
open in pregame, like because you're there for like Mike,
you wouldn't understand that, but you're there for like six
twelve six hours.

Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
Let anybody under the Super Bowl and.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Twelve do you remember mat that they were open a
lot of times, like at some point when we when we.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Arrived, and I don't now, I don't remember that. It
just seems like it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
I think Bill was pissy about it at one of
the Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Maybe yeah, I know it wasnta and they were like,
well they're gonna wait and then it's gonna be this delay.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
And he was all pissy about it. It was a
day that ended in day, so Bill was pissy here's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
A good one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
As people are listening, guys pulled it up, Dan Roach,
thanks for using his tweet.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Well, Matt Morow minutes ago had already confirmed that the
roof is on fire. Yeah it is, Yeah too. This
is Alexander who's writing. I know it's a pregame show,
but I had to write into with the Hunter conversation.
The Pats can't draft a corner at three, especially at
one hundred and seventy pound one. If they go defense,
it's Carter, But I would say protect protect, would maybe

(01:33:27):
take Campbell or Banks. If you want a receiver, it
has to be tet question, do you see, with Mayo
apparently coaching for his job a bigger role in the
defense down the stretch? And I would argue your premise, Alexander,
that Gerard Mayo is coaching for his job always subject
to change, meaning if the last four weeks I'm sure
this is a topic that you guys spent a great

(01:33:49):
deal of time about during the week, but if the
next four games are forty to nothing, forty to nothing,
forty to nothing, and forty to nothing, I guess his
ownership would reevaluate their position on bringing Mayo back. Well,
short of that, I don't think that Gerard Mayo was
coaching for his job, but I digress. Paul I whistling
past the grave there.

Speaker 6 (01:34:08):
I honestly don't know. I don't think he's going anywhere,
but I don't have that information. Travis Hunter is listed
anyway at one hundred and eighty five pounds. He gets
smaller every time someone that doesn't want to draft him,
he gets smaller. I don't know why you can't be
an elite player and just like be elite, why everybody
has to like pick pick pick pick. If you don't

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want a cornerback, I totally understand that you have Christian Gonzales.
You just used a first round pick on a cornerback
two years ago. That's a very solid rebuttal of taking
Travis Hunter. I also think someone mentioned I think Tamara
mentioned that he might be worthy of someone wanting to
move up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
I don't know what you're going to get for the
move up for a cornerback. I don't think that's going
to be as valuable as it is when you get that.
You know that the quarterback that becomes available for a
quarterback needy team. But if you don't want to take
Travis Hunter. I totally get it. I'm not completely sold.
I told you I don't have all the information on
these guys. And if there's an edge rusher, Mike, I

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know you're big on the edge rushes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
They need they badly need pass rush. So if it's
one of those guys, that's that's as good as Travis
Hunter take to take the edge guy. But let's not
kill Travis Hunter because he's one hundred and eighty five pounds.
Like this whole thing that he's too small. Six is
not too small.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
I would feel the size does worry me a little bit, Paul,
I've told you that before. But the size words me
less at three than it does it one. That's all.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
I can't make an argument for that. That's that's that's
that's right out of the Fred Kirsh manual.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
And and what the difference between one and three A
big difference? What what?

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
And he is an elite player? Are we He's an
elite player, no question about it? Right Hunter?

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean he's souped up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
That's I mean, that's really like I just want to
come out of the draft with somebody who's got some
juice and can affect the games. And that's why I
would never rule out Travis Hunter. I mean I think
a lot about when we go out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
To training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I mean, he's he would be a draw, no question.
So I wouldn't rule any of this out. Patriots need talent.
I just think you're not in the business of No,
we don't need that talented guy like we got me,
like right, they need just about anything.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Uh So wait one.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
Quick, dirty pants again?

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
So dirty pants for Paul, But you know that. You
know what's freaking me out a little bit, guys is
I don't know why they're wearing the blue jerseys here
in Arizona, but I would venture to guess that the
last time they wore the blue jerseys, unless they did
it in the twenty sixteen opener, would have to go
back to Super Bowl forty two when they took on
the Giants in their white uniforms. So for anybody who
wanted a little unfortunate Super Bowl forty two flashback, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Do we have a ruling on we like the blue
in the white hair?

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
I don't. I don't like those pants.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Yeah, Paul doesn't like them. I like, I just want
the stripes to match, that's all. I want the bottom
to match the top.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Not too much does The uniform issue in Super Bowl
forty two was the doing of the head coach in
the red Uh, well, that's a hoodie conversation mat that, right,
I am quite you need to talk about but many
to get into that, right, there's many a tree that
died over that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
But man, did everybody freak out when he came out
in that red hoodie?

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
For by everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
You mean you, well, my online you know, my online community.
I'd call it the hoodie community community, the people that
support you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
And you're George Pickens haters by.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Former Hooty tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
We we like coaches who have obscure garments, but we
don't care for players who are prone to prone to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
A little craziness.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
Now and there, you know who's pretty good at football,
elite neighbors, pretty good player on a very bad team.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Just help clear things up with for me on Pickens.
They drafted Thornton instead of Pickens.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Correct, correct, as well as instead of Alec Pierce and
sky Moore. Now, sky Moore has been pedestrian at best
with with the Chiefs, so which tells me that he's
not even you know, what would he be with the
Patriots if he was that bad with the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Okay, with regards as Patriots owner Robert Kraft making a
little appearance of the pregame social as you look at
the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Somebody asked about wide receiver corps and how would you
grade the Patriots wide receiver corps when you look at
the Chiefs receiving corps? Do they have an alpha on
that receiving corps?

Speaker 6 (01:38:26):
Not currently?

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
No, right.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
That their alfor is hurt? She rice?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Okay, what about the kid that they drafted worthy?

Speaker 6 (01:38:37):
Pretty good player, fast, he's really fast, gadget player, gadget guy. Okay,
so far, I mean he might he could turn into
something great.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Hopkins, good veteran Hopkins.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Yeah, on the backside.

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
On the backside, I put him with Adams. You can
keep them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Okay. So is it the generational quarterback that's making those guys?

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
You know? And it's why well, that's why they don't
have an offense. You just explain why they can't score.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I don't think they've cracked thirty either.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
We talked about the Peatriots having cracked thirty since mid
twenty twenty two. I don't think you have to go
quite that far back to the Chiefs, but they haven't
cracked it this year. And of course, Paul, it seems
like this is the oh well, yeah, this is the
this is the week I finally laid the points with
the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
And this is the week that they're gonna they're gonna screw.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
That's at least three I think for Jamis.

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Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Please, Matt, it's time for this week's edition of Over Unders.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Okay, Johnny Stats, let me just give a little read
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and with that we've got draft king numbers. Paul, why
don't you go through the standings pleaser, Hi.

Speaker 6 (01:40:09):
Last week Paul was five and one, Mike was four
and two. No socks two and four. So for the
season Paul fifty one and twenty seven, Matt forty five
and thirty three, Mike forty three and thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Is it time for you to go into a four
corners offense?

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
Paul, Yeah, that's pretty much nothing I can do to
lose that lead now right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Okay, we will begin at the beginning with Drake May
passing yards at two sixteen and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
Mike, I like that one. I'm gonna go over on
that one. Yeah, Drake coming out firing here after the bar, I'll.

Speaker 6 (01:40:47):
Concur with you over. Yeah, I'm gonna take the over
as well. I think the Patriots may be playing some
catch up.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Okay, next, if we're gonna do with Drake May's passing yards, next,
would make sense that we're gonna do Kyle Murray's passing yards.
He's ten yards more so on the number is Murray
at two twenty six and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
Paul, I am gonna take the under on two twenty
six and a half. I think they're gonna be running the.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Ball because you think the terminator is gonna chew up
some yards.

Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
James gone, well, I think he could run too, Kyler Murray.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Okay, technically that's John Connor and he is not a terminator.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
He is the resistance leader. Just so we get our
fact straight. Okay, I'm going under on the passing sets.

Speaker 6 (01:41:29):
He's such a geek. Three going under under police.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Three for three and I still I like it. It
sounds better with James Ghana. But in any event, Hunter
Henry receiving yards at forty three point five. Mike the
skipped one.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Oh don't forget.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Oh make it back to that. Don't worry about it.
I was just making sure you're paying attention.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Oh he's testing you, PAULI.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah, I like Hunter Henry. I think he's he's the
most reliable receiver they got. So I'll go over on
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
I'll go under.

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
I'll take the over, mister leader.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Okay, there we go, but one. Then I skipped over.
Drake Made's longest completion at thirty two and a half.
We survey the field here, I'm gonna go under to
kick things off.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
I'll follow you up with going under as well. I
think they'll they'll keep Drake going short.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
Yeah, my streak was broken the last time we did this,
so now I will take the under.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
And what were the trend?

Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
What was the trend was he was throwing one over
the yards like five weeks in a row, and I
just kept riding the trend and finally he didn't do it. Okay,
although we did miss by like two yards that day,
it was really close.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
Uh Okay, these two are pretty well tied together total
punts at eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
Mike, geez, I mean the Patriots defense doesn't force a
lot of punts.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
I'm gonna go under on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Chad Ryland will not be punting this week. True false.
I know we punted last week because of injury. Yeah, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
I don't believe he's punting. They have somebody they did
sign someone a Patriot, Michael Pollardi. I think they signed
had a cup of coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
Eloquently put Mike, the Patriots don't force a lot of punts.
That smells like under to me unless it's a busy
day for the pro bowler. Brian Barringer Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:43:15):
Yeah, I'll take the under also, okay, I think they're
coming out of the buy a lot of fourth down
pushing of the envelope for the Patriot.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
And last, but not least is the total score, which
is forty six.

Speaker 6 (01:43:31):
Keep getting them right around my scores. I'm gonna take
the over.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Yeah, what's twenty four plus twenty seven? Yeah, I'm going over.
I'm going over.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
That's your score for today?

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
Huh maybe?

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
Okay, stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
I think I'm gonna go under on that as well.
I think I'm gonna go under as that as well.
Don't ask me why, but I think so. Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
Not a lot of zip on those over runders right there.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
What do you mean by that running out of steam hare?

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Yeah, I think that's the kickoff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
No, come on, we're ready.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Oh no, I will say resemble that remark.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
I got one more comment here about I just always
hid bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I always recognize the Cardinal Stadium just the grass.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
For some reason. To me, it's rolled.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
It always looks a little neonto me. And I remember
in Super Bowl forty nine the grass getting all over
Brady's jersey, and just there's something about that stadium that
you know, good memories washed out on thousand and seven,
but twenty fourteen went in there like that electric green
kind of grass.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
It just always jumps out to me. That's all.

Speaker 6 (01:44:36):
Sorry, Okay, that's that Fred initiated the old you know,
they they roll it out on and then so it
goes out soft and it goes back in dry hard.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
I think my I think I can tell this story
now is probably the statute of limitations has passed us
by now, Paul uh Fred entrusted me who was on
the field with a.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Case that's a good story of.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Patriot Football weeklies with undefeated or some sort of verbiage
of the fact, and obviously that didn't happen after the game.
So knucklehead here took the case of Patriot on Patriot.

Speaker 6 (01:45:22):
Football Weekly, Patriots Weekly, like yeah, perfection, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
I took the case of the covers and threw him
in the garbage and was walking out of the field
and Paul, they had like a tent with the post
game and you were hugging with Mike Grabil, you were
hugging with Junior, and it was hugging.

Speaker 6 (01:45:43):
That was the party. That was the post game party.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
How Andy was hugging with Seyou, and all of a sudden,
Fred goes I don't know Fred said it or I
said it. I think I had a sense of regret
and I went, uh, oh, we are the undefeated posters.
And I said, I threw him in a barrel. I
traped back in. They were in the barrel where I
left him and brought him back. I gave them to

(01:46:06):
Andy and said, you deal with them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Did you start to break down a little sweat there?
I don't imagine as a.

Speaker 6 (01:46:13):
Credit. I actually have told that story many times, and
it was you holding that box. You threw it in
trash barrel, took about ten steps, stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
No, I was in the post game. You went to
like a thought to yourself, go back out.

Speaker 6 (01:46:25):
I'm going to go back, and you went back and
got them. That's that's how That's how I always understood
that story, like you had sort of made the realization like, yeah,
I probably should go and get those. Yes, and then
we brought them back to the hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Yes. Yeah. The people then were crying over them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
You weren't there, and No. Four, when Willie had the dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
I was there. I wasn't handing out that you weren't. Yah,
I was. I was handing them out for uh Seattle.
Where was the other Houston and Atlanta?

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
See, I love that you guys talk about these Super
Bowls and it's where they were, not who they were playing.
And that's just that shows you guys were there. And uh,
you know we played letting anybody into these things.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
You know we played the Eagles twice, we played the
Rams twice. You got to be more more specific, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Excellent point. Uh, interesting email here from in truck e
wherever that is. It's when I lean on the by
the way, it's when I lean on the microphone bar. Matt.
Just fy, I haven't touched the button all day.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
Just don't lean on the bar. Sensitive.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Good point, Uh, tim Will texted me about it. Timothy
Wrights Tamara made a great point that the New England
Patriots have no ability to develop wide receiver offensive line positions.
Well stated, is that true about offensive line? But I digress.
Bring Logannikins to coach the line and a Wes Welker
like person to coach the wide receivers. I bet Julian
Edelman's dad could do better than their existing coach. Coaching

(01:47:49):
is a massive problem go Patriots. They went today fourteen thirteen,
says Tim from truck E. They can develop offensive lem me, can't.

Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
They They've done a good job of that over the years.
They've taken a lot of guy I mean, do you
have to like talk about Steven Neil, Like they've taken
a lot of guys that didn't have much pedigree, and
you know, David Andrews is an undrafted guy. They've gotten
a lot of quality play out of a variety of
different draft picks. You know, like they could be early picks,

(01:48:19):
they can be late picks. Yeah, they've missed you know,
Isaiah Win it was a miss right, you know, he
wasn't worthy of a first round pick. But they've had
a lot of you know, Michael Went, who's sixth round pick.
That's not drafting and developing a guy. Yeah, I just
I think they wide receiver, how argue, I'd like a
research across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
I'd like to feel a resurgence on the offensive line development.
I think they need it, and I would have hoped
it had been developed better this year given the guys
that they had. When they finally got some continuity, I
know there was a talent deficit there, But I just
I've been a little disappointed with with when you season
and you know, hoping that now, that was.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
A beautiful pass.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
That was Tamara's, Davante Adams, that was that was as
well thrown a ball as.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
You can get back from the dead.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
But I agree they left Mac, They left Mac Jones
too much off the field, too much time for Mac.

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
I gave you Patrick Mahomes got what cut it off
the field?

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
No limping off the field and no legitimately with two
guys helping him off.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
Was his head cocked to one side?

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Yes? And was he was?

Speaker 6 (01:49:18):
He was?

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
He was?

Speaker 7 (01:49:19):
He was?

Speaker 6 (01:49:19):
He telling everybody to huddle up the the offensive line
point Mike that you were making is is true? And
you know, maybe getting back toward what the email or
maybe more talking about than developing over the years is
maybe Dante Scarnekia deserves even more credit. I mean, I
don't know if he could get any more credit. He's,

(01:49:40):
you know, basically regarded as the greatest assistant around, but
he was probably more responsible for all of those guys
than it was anything else. And they don't have that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
Who's just gracing Gronkowski by wearing eighty seven today.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
This is the call u.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Yes, that's a call up Jack Westover, who's a rookie,
second call up tight end. Probably play mostly special teams.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
But I don't know. I do think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
I think it's another example of them given a young guy,
you know, our opportunity probably not much on offense, if
at all, But they don't getting an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Young guy Preston couldn't have found a different number.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, eighty seven. That stayed in the mix? Man, how
to stay in the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Don't love it? Don't love it?

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
All right, let's harden football though you don't have an endlessen, no.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Question about it. Let's hit the Sunday six pack please, Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
This is the Sunday sixth pack, So kick back. Listen
up positioning. I'm getting to getting the pit back. You
better bring a big stack. Get it mixed. Jack came
to win again. This is the Sunday sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Bad okay, Johnny. Stats looks like we've got somebody coming
hard from the outside right here now.

Speaker 6 (01:50:46):
Oh yeah, Mike was five and one, Paul and no
socks with three and three. So Mike has the lead
at thirty eight thirty eight and two you are perfectly
adequate in your adequacity made it. I am thirty seven,
thirty nine and two and Matt is thirty five forty
one and two.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
Yeah, darling, so uh Matt morel the yellow post. It
is the lines correct? Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Because I may have got the math right this week,
but I forgot to type it out.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Okay, not a problem. Let's start with none of the
one o'clock games, because they're already going on. It wouldn't
be fair to pick those games.

Speaker 6 (01:51:21):
Would it, Paul I would probably still find a way
to get one wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
That's same here.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
Although they look taping, it's not over another ankle, all right.
It's called an in game bet.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
The window open the four o'clock games. We're gonna kick
things off in Denver, where the eight and five Broncos
take on that horrific Indianapolis Colts team that beat the
Patriots at six and seven. Denver is a four and
a half point favorite.

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Paul, I will take the points. I don't think the
Courts will win the game, but I will take four
and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Michael, I will lay the points.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I think playing in Denver will be hard for them
and they will lose by more than four.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
I will follow the hot one, mister do so, and
I agree, I like Denver will lay the points in
that one. The Super Bowl preview that's coming up, the
ten and three Buffalo Bills go to Detroit to take
on Paul's darlings. Paul's been consistent. I give him credit.
He's liked them right out of the shoot the twelve
and one lines where Detroit is a two and a

(01:52:27):
half point favorite against the Bills, who suddenly don't have
a lock on the number two seed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Michael, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with Detroit at home.
I'm keeping one eye on this game though today for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:52:41):
Uh yeah, I'm taking Detroit as well. Just might to
give an adndum on Matt's irrelevance for all the talent
in the league. He also doesn't think a whole lot
of Buffalo or Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
No, I disagree. I think a lot about Buffalo. I'm
now getting war on the buff We saved that topic
for the Buffalo finale. But uh, you know, Paul, it's
only taking the six or seven years. But I think
Josh Allen's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:53:07):
I don't think Yeah, I don't think you've ever really
spoken disparage. Way about Josh Allen, But you think Buffalo's
math and just Detroit's math. Just to prove you wrong,
I'm gonna go and take the points with the Bills
because I think this is a hugely important game for Buffalo,
and I think Detroit could afford to let this one go.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
How about them?

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
The Apples making his move.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Also at four o'clock, the seven and six Tampa Bay
Buccaneers go to Los Angeles to take on Harbaugh and
the Chargers, who are eight and five.

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
Paul, I'm gonna take the Lack at home. Generally, the
visiting team in LA has a lot of fans. I
don't know if Tampa would.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
You don't think they travel.

Speaker 6 (01:53:48):
I don't think they would. And it wouldn't have to right,
and you don't exactly and you don't have to be
like a you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Know, a weather watch.

Speaker 6 (01:53:56):
Yeah, in the winter, I'm gonna I'm gonna winter out.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
In La find in Tampa and Tampa.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
So I'm gonna take the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
It's a three point spread in that game. That means
the Chargers are giving it three.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
Michael, Yeah, give me that Lack. I'll take them.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
I'm with the LAC I am with the lac. Lastly
at four o'clock, it's the other Super Bowl preview that
people are talking about the Battle of the State of
Pennsylvania where the ten and three Steelers travel to Philly
to take on the eleven and two Eagles, where dissension
is running rampant with the Eagles and a J. Brown

(01:54:32):
and Jalen hurts Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
So they had like a like a video with like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
So they showed friends are four and see when we're
all happy and nice to each other, we do good guys.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
I'm gonna take Pittsburgh, but I think Philly will win.
But I like the swings.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
It's five and a half. I should point these spreads out.
Thank you for providing them.

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Yes, uh five and a half point line the Steelers
against the Eagles.

Speaker 6 (01:54:54):
Paul not just laughing, looking it's a good bag. I'm
reading that's don Max oh no. That is as a
Giants fan with a paperback on his head. It says
we saw it eleven. I will I'm with Mike. I'm
locked up with Mike. I'm going to take the points.
I think the Eagles will find a way to win it,
but I'm concerned about that dissension, and I know Mike

(01:55:16):
would take a j Brown on his team, but it
seems like a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Of a wacko to me as well. Yeah, yeah, I'm
going to I'm going to go. So we are family.
Was was a song for the Pirates, not the Steelers
back in the day. I'm gonna believe, by the way,
I'm gonna believe we are family. In the Philadelphia Eagles.
I need to do something to make up my terrible records,
so I'll go with the Eagles laying the five and

(01:55:40):
a half. Give me the band on? Is that Sister Sledge,
Sister Sledge. I'm gonna go Sister Sledge and the Eagles
and take the Eagles on that one Sunday night football
at Seattle where the Seahawks are in first place in
the NFC West along with the Lambs. The eight and
five Seahawks are three point home dogs against the nine

(01:56:02):
and four Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
Michael, Yeah, I like this game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
What was the line on this one, officially Greeners at
three point.

Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
I'm gonna take green Bay a little bit off the
beaten path for me. Usually I go Seahawks at home
in close ones, but I like green Bay. I'm gonna
take them with a little.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Bit of I know it's not an upset, but I
think it's a little bit of an upset.

Speaker 6 (01:56:21):
Yeah, I'm gonna take green Bay as well. I think
Seattle is doing great to be, you know, in the
pitcher and have the lead in division, but I think
green Bay is better.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Three for three. Three people are taking the Pack as
the road favorite in that one and last, but certainly
not least as we've been talking about for a couple
of hours now. The three and ten New England Patriots,
losers of three straight, go to Arizona to take on
the six and seven Arizona Cardinals, also losers of three straight,
where Arizona is a whopping six point favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
Michael, Yeah, I got the Cardinals in this one. I
just I think they need the game more.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I need to see something new from the Patriots defense
to believe that they're gonna be able to hold the
Cardinals down under twenty, much less thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
But I think they do okay, But I've got the
Cardinals win. I'm gonna say twenty four to seventeen.

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
Paul, Yeah, I see a similar kind of game. I
think the Patriots would be playing from behind, which is
not a good recipe. I think the Cardinals like to
get after with blitzes, get after the passer, and I
think that's been problem for Drake May so far. So
I'm gonna say twenty seven Arizona, they need the game more.

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
And I'm not a believer in the Arizona Cardinals, but
I thought mister Urban did a very nice job and
painting a picture of where things stand with the home team.
And I will sadly coccur with you guys and go
with the Cards in that game. So is the Chiefs
backup quarterback Carson Wentz.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Looks at I just point out too, Joe Toney's playing
left tackle for the Chiefs right now going against Mile Scared.

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
Yeah, he poked him in the eye and knocked him
out of the game, I think earlier in the game, don't.
I don't know exactly what happened, but Garrett went down,
like threw his helmet off and was holding his face.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
We'll move there, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
I know you're not a I'm not gonna I shouldn't.
I shouldn't. Just guess he'd say he did it poke
him in the eye.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
For the game.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
What is letting Joe Tooney walk in free agency rank
in either the plus or the minus category on your ledger.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
A definite mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
But I don't like I kind of lamented. I just
feel like I do.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
You had a Hall of Famer in the building and
you let him walk, and and it also it's spurred
on all kinds of you know, other things trying to
then fix that hole, which ultimately ended up with Col
Strange getting drafted. I mean, I just it makes me sick.
That makes me sick. He's an ideal player. I mean,
that's that's the model you want to draft a guy.
Develop him.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
He's playing left tackle right now, shows his versatility. Uh,
he's a Hall of Fame player that you let walk.
What more is there to say?

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
I might quibble with the Hall of Fame tag that
you gave him, but he certainly stabilizes an offensive line.

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
With no way. He thinks he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
But I don't think guys who were in the Hall
of Famer or Hall of Famers, Brian or a Lacker,
you know, guys like that who was the last class
that they just a bunch.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
Of never missed the game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
And I don't know he's a good player, really good player.
I just don't know that he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 6 (01:59:14):
And all Pro means you're better than a good player. Yeah,
I agree, Like you know, not just like a one
time fluke thing. He I think he's multiple Pro pro.
Now I'm not talking Pro Bowl, I'm talking All Pro.

Speaker 4 (01:59:25):
Right, I can check it. I can check it. Just
to talk about yourself for one moment.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
Who whose last year's Hall of Fame? A Hall of
Fame of good last.

Speaker 6 (01:59:32):
Year, Paul, I don't know. I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
Like guys like Julius Pepper's good player, like a great player,
good player.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
Oh he's only a one time All Pro pol.

Speaker 6 (01:59:42):
Oh, then he's not a lock Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
Then what a surprise to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:59:48):
Not a lock Hall of Famer. If he's only a
one time program for.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Really good play, four time Super Bowl champ, that doesn't
And you know when you look at the games he's
played though, going back to his Patriots days sixteen sixteen, sixteen, sixteen, sixteen, seventeen,
fifteen seventeen, and he's up to thirteen this year, so
really he's missed two games in his career.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
The word of the day that you used multiple times,
Mike consistency and Joe Tooney is that in spades. Can
we get consistency out of the Patriots today? Can they
jump out to a lead as Paul said, they need
to play from ahead. Those are the things we will
talk about after the game, the Patriots and the Arizona Cardinals.
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