Patriots Pregame Show 12/22: Bills Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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Speaker 1 (00:39):
This is the Patriots Pregame Show fueled by Dunky.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Touchdown to English.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
The Patriots Pregame Show is your source for all the
news and information before every game.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hey, tuk me to the house. Good?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Are we Contriots?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Take Believe with Matt Smith, Mike you So, Paul Parrilla
and Tamara Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm the Patriots have won.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
There's six super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Title Patriots Nation. Welcome to the Patriots Pregame Show fueled
by dunkys.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Arihann Are we live? Hey, I got a weird thing
happening here. Yeah, I'm in I'm in one ear over here.
I feel like John Wallack. I'm deaf in one ear.
Turn your other one up because he had that juicy tumor.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It was impressive how you managed to work a shot
at at Wallwick even a show Wallack is. No one knows,
you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm not even gonna mention it, because what are the
odds that anyone tuning in right now to the Patriots
Pregame knows who John Wallack is?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I won't.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Everybody knows he's calling the Celtics game tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
I'm very excited.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Hey, it's hardy. I am honored and thrilled to be
filling in for Matt Smith, who's actually going to be
joining us here in a little while. As we go
behind enemy lines, even though he's not the enemy, he's
an infiltrade at, he's a double agent. He's behind enemy
lines in Buffalo, does captured as the Patriots visit the
Bills here coming up in two and a half. Why

(02:12):
are we here now? It's like two and a half
hours from kickoff.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
I hope he's just warm.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Is it colder in Buffalo than it is here?

Speaker 6 (02:19):
Apparently according to our friend Mike Reese, it's thirteen degrees.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
It was, yeah, you know what, get it ready? Go ahead, Marie, Matt,
It's fine, thank you. Right, I knew now it was
coming nine degrees when I took the dog out this morning.
Nine wolf, not wolf, is right, that's what she said. Oh,
she is an adorable scam.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Does she have a sweater?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (02:42):
But we and we still went on the dog walk
this morning, and we did encounter a dog wearing a
sweater and she thought that dog foolish?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Oh they sweater?

Speaker 6 (02:51):
Oh sorry, you don't believe in dog clothing?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Not really?

Speaker 4 (02:55):
No Halloween costume. I'll show you a picture later, you know,
when we go into what do we got one forty
five second break scheduled hour and a half in such
a baby, Go ahead ahead and remind me in like
two hours from now, when we take a ten second
break to show you a picture of my dog in her.

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Halloween your dog should be in a sweater like Deuce.
Like Deuce has on a fabulous sweater right now, I'm
sure they have something for your dog like this, right give.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Me ten seconds on Mike Dussa's sweater.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
It stayed great.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So it's vintage mid eighties?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Is I think of Ray Berry when I see that sweater,
and I think of a lot of bad football.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Is it vintage or is it faux Vintino?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
This is a legit cliff Angle, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
You might put guartrail.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
What is that?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Cliff Engle is the name of these sweaterers. No, probably
more famous with Mike Dicka and the Bears version. That's
kind of what he was known for. But no, it's
a legit one.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's very old from the era.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's got some wool in it. It's a little hot.
I'm not gonna lie, it's a little toasty.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
So I really like the look, except for it's feeling
feeling very bilsy today because they're also right red.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
So I wanted a turtle neck with it. I thought
a turtle neck would really tie it together and give
the feeling. But I went with a little collar.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
So yeah, how about a dicky next time?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, the dickie would be good.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Because then I would be so hot it wouldn't be
the double levels of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I like how he has the collar of his shirt.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Was professional.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I do need you to rewar this tomorrow when we
record Patrioton on TV.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Okay, I can do that because Christmas, right.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, you think he's never done that.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
I only break it out like once a year.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's totally you know, he's hot.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
People get used to this thing.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I'm glad that Paul participated like twice already in the
few minutes because he has glued to that red zone.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
This is my element. We got the one o'clock window on.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Red Zone from It's just so weird to be able
to like watch games, and when we have a game
at four twenty five, I feel like we're usually home
watching the like five games. Now we have to watch
the one pm game.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah yeah, but that's wait, that's fine. Did you uh
did you watch the Patriots last week? Because the Bills
and Lions were on at the same time. I'm not
saying one game was more compelling than the other.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, but we watched it.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, we're here and that was a pre game show
rant for me last week? What was so the one
four to twenty five game that they the Patriots play?
You know, it has to be opposite Bills, Lions, Eagle,
Steelers Eagles steal two of the better games of the season.
We can get to watch any of them.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
But I am looking forward to Patriots Bills today because people,
whenever someone predicts, you know, something of a gigantic proportion
one way or the other, you can almost always bet
the opposite. Am I predicting a Patriots win today?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Am I predicting a representative effort?

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
So are you saying you were surprised to see fourteen
point dogs?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think it's too much.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
I really do, I really do. But we'll get into
all that first. We have to hear the keys to
the game.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
The whole tea's in the locker room right now, just
listening to this waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials, keys to the game.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Keys to the game. Without these keys, the Patriots are
destined and doomed to fail. Who is the current key holder?

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Cheeze Hardy.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
I think we've fox I don't think we've done it
since you were here last time.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I know, I know it's hanging right there. I mean
we could, we could do it.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Hey, Matt, I'm gonna get a second, only one that
really comes up with anything about the game. I gotta
get up.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I have to throw this key away because that's what
they think of it. They don't care.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Oh, it's it's usually right here.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Does it get awarded every week?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
It does not?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay, so I'll throw it a way.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
No.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Maybe maybe we're just saving it for you because you
came up.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Keep it in your memory.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, that's just a same I want it more often
than not.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Okay, let's do that.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
Let's see if you can on this piece.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I wasn't asked. I wasn't asked when I filled in
earlier this season. I'm on the pain. I'm on the
painal mind list.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Didn't care enough.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
It doesn't matter he could just read mats.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
How about he's got to read mats and come up
with something.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, you know what, I'll start off with, Matts, ignore
the noise.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's not bad.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I don't hate it. It kind of falls in line
with what I say about the fourteen fourteen and a
half points spread in today's game, like that's a little
that's a little too bombasket bombastic for me. That's a
little too much.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
You ignore that.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Now, Matt may be referring to the other noise surrounding
the team this week. It's it's a lot of noise.
It's a lot of something to talk about. I feel
for something where, all right, maybe you've disseing aged in
the actual outcomes of the game and has nothing to
do with necessarily what they're going to win or lose.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
By in the in the next three weeks.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
But when you're at three and this whole thank you,
all right, maybe the outcome doesn't matter as much and
you find other things to make noise about. But that's
largely what it is, noise. So I don't hate Matt's key.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's not gonna win. It's not gonna win.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I can tell you that right now.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
If that if that ends up being the key key
to the game.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
This week, this show is in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
So where does that rate on your hearty scale?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Out of twenty two, that is a seven point one.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's no, it's not bad. Though We've got much worse.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
I have had worse personally.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yes, let's got deuce. Yeah, why don't you hit.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Us up with the key to I didn't start really fast,
kind of like a music lyric, you know when they
put things in parentheses for some reason. You're a music
I right, you got this music show? Still, that's right?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
What do you doing those gees?

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Do you pay?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Play the music and then talk about it?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Talk about the music?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I just I think, you know, kind of going back
to what was the last year when Jalen Rager return
a kickoff and you know, kind of made the game
competitive right from the get go. Just I think the
Patriots need to come out and play well early on.
If the Bills are able to go out there, score
a touchdown score and you know, it gets rolling really
fast for the Patriots. So I think if you come out,
come out with a good start, set a little bit

(08:50):
of a tone that you're gonna hang in there, that
you're gonna make some plays, that you're gonna force some punts,
maybe you're gonna get off the field, you're gonna convert
some third downs, and maybe you're gonna even get in
the red zone and score some touchdowns. So I think
that's it for me. Just have a good start, get
off on the right foot, because that's the only real
way if you get behind. It's really hard to see
this Patriots seem climbing out of a points deficit and
trying to turn the game around from.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Well, I like the notion of like you said, you know,
kick off return, maybe a special a special teams play,
maybe maybe a pick six. I mean, I'm really really
you know, wishing here. But if you're expecting the Patriots
offense to take the field and you know, march down
and eight plays and and put together a scoring drive, Okay,

(09:32):
that's a nice thought. I think if it happens, if
they do start really fast, it'll be the result of
a special team's play or a defensive score.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, something like that. I mean, defensive score probably not.
Probably more surprising to me than the offense scoring, just
the way they haven't been able to take the ball
away enough but totally right. Just any way you need it,
get a fast start, force a punt, score some points.
Just let them know if from the game we're gonna come,
We're gonna play hard today.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Oh interesting, when I break ten, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Nine point nine. Damn it, that's pretty good something.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's not great though, all right, Paul, what is it?
What's your key?

Speaker 8 (10:07):
So?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I understand that the Patriots are probably going to try
to run the football against the kind of weak run
defense for Buffalo, But I think they need to open
the offense up a little bit, specifically the passing game.
When they do throw it, they need to throw it
downfield a little bit more often. They need to try
to get some chunk plays. I don't think the offense
is built to put ten twelve plays together for drives

(10:29):
without mistakes. We've seen the penalties have really derailed them,
you know, almost every week. So I think Drake may
kind of made a little bit of a plea for
that on Wednesday, saying you can't just check it down
all the time. Sometimes you have to go downfield a
little bit. So open up the offense. Take some shots
with the kid you're three and eleven. Let's see if

(10:49):
he can you know, operate in bad weather throwing the ball,
you know, sort of any way he wants even in
the bad weather, you know, see if he's affected by it.
And I think you can get the Mic do so
experience game out of the area. Mike is big on,
you know, having Drake May experience all these firsts. And
one of the things he's going to experience this this

(11:10):
week is how to dodge marital age that potentially could
be thrown onto the field during the game. See.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
I don't care for that. Number one, it's Sunday, number two,
it's so close to Christmas. Yeah, I just don't.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't care for that kind of open up the
passing game a little bit for Drake May. That's my
that's my key.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Do you have anything to say for yourself about that
other thing?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
What do you mean about my Drake May thing?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Never mind that fine, it's not great, Paul, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think you're want to throw the.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Ball down field a lot in inclement weather game and
you want.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
To Ohoa, it's cold, I'll watch it.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Score has already been decided. It's an eight point four, okay.
All right, Tamara, a chance to really really do something
here with your key to the game for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Visit to the Buffalo Bills. What is it?

Speaker 6 (11:59):
No backyard football? This offense, this Bill's offense. It previously
ran through Stefan Diggs, who now is a Houston Texan.
Now it's a more balanced attack. And when I look
at this Patriots defense, I think the biggest threat to
this defense is going to be the backfield of James
Cook and Josh Allen. They're going to run the ball
a lot more in this game. They've really balanced attack,
and this Patriots defense has had a really tough time

(12:22):
setting the edge. They've been inconsistent stopping the run. And
we know how Josh Allen likes to play hero ball.
He's looking to extend those plays. He might even run it,
he might throw it. And so I think that this
defense has to be on their p's and q's. They
cannot miss their assignments. They also cannot miss their tackles.
I feel like the consistent theme with this defense after
each game in the locker room, they're always saying, we
weren't on the same page. There was a miscommunication. We

(12:44):
just missed a few tackles there and that led to
a long run. No excuses today, no backyard football.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
It's pretty good. Listen, she laid it out.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't know if I'm still sore about the whole
key hanging, you know, off the webcam for.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
The really sore Wally.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, it's a twelve point eight and it's good enough
for the key to the week. Congratulations to the no
backyard football. It's spoke to job. It spoke to me
at a poetic level. It spoke to me at a
football level. It spoke to good beat. You can dance
to it. It spoke to me at a human level. Oh,
I thought it was really good. Thank you, Hardy, no

(13:21):
backyard football. Congratulations, good job, Tamara.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I think she's like the first birthday gift.

Speaker 9 (13:27):
It is.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
This is like the first compliment from Hardy.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I feel like I need to, like, right down, I've
been seen you in like two months, then fair. I
feel like it's probably overdue anyway. When is your birthday?

Speaker 6 (13:37):
By the way, Christmas?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
I think I knew that. I should have known that
over the last Remember last year we were Christmas.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
She almost never talks about it.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I remember working. Oh wait a second in the moment. Yeah, yes,
the phone calls from the family, that's a yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Days might be people around here just go crazy for it.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Well, happy early birthday, all right, very good. Later on
in the show, we'll get to all the other good stuff,
the over unders, and we'll get to the you know,
the pick six We got a Sunday six pack to
get to today.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Excellent.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
We'll go behind that many lines with the Matt Smith
here another minute or two and you can you can
go ahead and jam the phone lines up right now,
and if I can remember the phone there will be
in good shape to the tp X hotline. Nailed, nailed,
the Tango pop up x ray hotline eight five five
pats five hundred, eighty five five pats five hundred. You
can also email the show, which is now pod casts

(14:43):
plural at Patriots dot com. So we'll do that as
we get rolling the show.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't want to go to the phones yet though,
because well, Matt's gonna be like in a minute, right,
we'll wait and talk to Matt.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So you seem let me jump in for a second,
because you seem like you're a little bit more optimistic
about this game than most and I'm just curious as
to what has given you that optimism. Okay, you know,
part of it is just good facilitation right.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
There, Paul. It's like you should be on the radio
maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Even it's it's easy, yeah, I sleeping. It's easy to
look at the teams on paper and look at the
spread and say, yeah, that absolutely makes sense. And yeah,
from from that aspect of things, as we talk about
a lot with these spreads, it's all about, you know,
balancing out the action. But I just feel like the Patriots,

(15:36):
you know, we're so underwhelming in their return from the
bye week against Arizona last week, and I think if
they can clean up a couple of things, if they
can just clean up a couple of those false start penalties,
if they can clean up a couple of the things
that you were talking about on defense, about the you know,
the mist assignments or the you know, not being on this.

(16:00):
Getting on the same page and cleaning up a couple
of those penalties is probably good. I don't think I'm
exaggerating here. For a ten point swing, and whether it's
putting another touchdown on the board for you, or preventing
a touchdown or a field goal for the opponent, and
I think for that reason alone. Now, if it doesn't

(16:21):
happen and they're still not on the same page and
this stuff hasn't been cleaned up, well, yeah, unfortunately. I
think a lot of the noise we heard last week
is going to get even easier. But I think everybody
knows what the score is. I think they know what
you know, what is you know at hand here in
the final weeks of the season, And if the team
is is truly together on this and nobody has lost

(16:42):
the locker room or anything else, then yeah, it's gonna
it is going to, I guess, show itself today. It's
going to manifest today in a more professional football effort,
and that alone should be able to keep you within
two touchdowns. I would think you still got Drake May
out there. You've still got a couple of guys who
can run the ball for you, and you do have

(17:03):
a couple of players on defense that can that can
do the job if they just simply exercise the fundamentals
and and and and and get on the same page.
What are you commenting on the red zone zone?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
No, oh, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I was commenting to Mike about your optimism. I didn't
really expect it. But what what did you expect me
to say?

Speaker 4 (17:23):
They're going to do what everybody else?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, I haven't heard anybody.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean, you wanted me to be still be the biggest,
the biggest path in Mike and I had a nice
talk about this offer. The biggest path to sort of
competitives today is like Buffalo not really being all that.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Engaged, or if Buffalo just wants to wait, I.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Wouldn't wait for that a week eighteen.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
They're tired from scoring forty plus.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
The last two weeks sounds exhausting.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, forty eight points, you know last week that was
there's a lot of time out on the field. All right,
let's go behind enemy lines, but not really.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
You know, the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And that's why you're a favorite pregame show guest. Yeah,
every year, And know you tell everybody that I was
on with you guys at twenty eighteen Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 10 (18:11):
Yeah, and I was voted out with the favorite game.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
For the show.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
No time now to go behind enemy lines? My god,
it's gotta ride more.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Indeed, we go behind enemy lines and talk with the
host of the Patriots pre game in the post game show.
His name is Matt Smith. He has infiltrated the enemy.
He is behind any lines in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Matt, how are you?

Speaker 11 (18:33):
I am dynamite, Rob. Thank you very much.

Speaker 12 (18:36):
Rob.

Speaker 11 (18:36):
Get things straight. Let's get things straight. Hardy, you are
the host. I am merely just trying to fill your
enormous sized sixteen shoes. Paul and Deuce? Did the red
carpet get in? Were the rose petals down on the
red carpet for anything? For Hardy? For his entrance to
I know we ordered it. I know we ordered it.

Speaker 8 (18:57):
No.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, he tried to bust in the back door we
had construction. He didn't know where he was going. I
think he got lost in the break room somewhere. We
had to go find him. It's not easy here without you, Matt.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
What I requested, Matt was not necessarily rose petals to
be my people. I wanted the rose bearers to walk
in front of me and place the pedals as I walked,
coming to America's style.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But I don't it didn't happen to either.

Speaker 11 (19:18):
I don't think that that's unrealistic.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Hardy, Well, that's all right.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
How are things in Buffalo cold?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I hear they are.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
They are, But as on the elevator right up just
a second ago, our big blast, Red Kursh goes, it's
a state of mind. It's a state of mind.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
It's the air temperature.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So beyond beyond the temperature, Matt, like, what are the conditions?
Is it windy? Is there any precipitation or anything?

Speaker 11 (19:42):
No wind, It's clear blue sky now. Of course at
game time that's going to be over. It's just cold.
You know, it's in the mid teens, you know, so
air it out. You think, if you guys are probably
already discussed, this is a good opportunity to see if
you're a rookie quarterback who hasn't really played in these
kind of conditions before. I think he's looking forward to

(20:04):
playing in these kind of conditions. But single he does,
you know, it's a different hurdle for him to face,
different challenge this week.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
So, Matt, you bring up the rookie Drake may. I
was wondering if if you've seen him out there on
the field, does he look cold? Does he look like
he's ready to go? Tell us what you're seeing out there?

Speaker 11 (20:23):
We just arrived a couple of minutes ago, Samara. So
as I'm making my way here and looking there, you
know there honestly aren't a lot of players already out
in the field. There's only four. Okay, he's not out
there yet, So my guess is he'll do his usual
pregame routine whenever that is. I don't think he's going
to stay in longer. He probably did a and we

(20:46):
weren't on that bus, as you know. My guess is
he probably did a quick drive by when he got here,
just to take a look before he went in to
get dressed.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Wait, I have another question.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Has a follow up?

Speaker 6 (20:56):
I have a follow up. Since your boots on the
ground there and your key was to ignore the noise,
how are the Buffalo fans.

Speaker 11 (21:06):
The best fans in the National Football League? The bus
ride in to Paul? What's this called this week? Hallmark Stadium?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Also a good thing. No Patriots fans are listening and
watching this right now.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I would also say, do not share the opinion with
the boss, man Fred Kursh What exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Are we doing again? This is on Patriots dot com.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
I'm just curious because his keys ignored the noise, So
I want to know what the noise level is currently,
because usually that's a.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Lot of Miller lightes fired off the side of the
bus when you go into that stadium. Bunch of knee
and of thals.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
They were.

Speaker 11 (21:44):
The fans were greeting the buses with a lot of
year number one signs, you know, and I thought that
was good. Saw one bloke happened to drop his adult
beverage while he was trying to give us the one singer,
one finger salute, so he deserved that. But I say
that with the passion that they bring, that's what I
mean by the best fans like deer out in full

(22:06):
regalia here to support their team. They'd support them when
they're whatever their record is today a top the Acs,
And if they were similar records of Patriots, they'd be
here as loud and proud as well.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Madam, I'm assuming you went out last night and got,
you know, a little bit of a feel for the
town for you know, the Bills, the Bills fans, I mean,
Josh Allen, midst of an MVP season, did you get
kind of a vibe in Buffalo that they're really gearing
up for this to be the year for them.

Speaker 11 (22:31):
You hit the nail on the head, Deuse, you hit
the nail on the head. No excuses this year, no excuses.
I know our colleague Evan Lazar mentioned off the air
the other day, he goes, McDermott will get in the
way and find a way to mess things up. I
don't know. It feels to me, and I think the
people here there's a level of expectation that this is
their year.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I can't really blame them, Matt. I mean, you're you know,
they're in Buffalo right now, so it's, you know, easy,
I guess to kind of get caught up in a
little bit. But when you look at the best teams
in the league right now, for weeks and weeks I
was telling people and other people said it was the Lions,
but with all their injuries right now, I would hear
arguments on the Bills or the Eagles in terms of

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what team looks the best right now this weekend.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Do you think it's the Bills?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Do you think it's someone else?

Speaker 11 (23:19):
I know, I do agree, I think it is Buffalo.
As we're watching the raven Steelers game yesterday, I made
the point that I think there's two and a half
teams in the AFC and maybe one and a half
teams in the NFC with a team that's currently playing
in the NFC with the puncher's chance, and that's the Rams.
I mean, they're playing very well right now, certainly offensively

(23:40):
the Rams are. I don't know what the scores in
the Jets game. Okay, yeah, well, no surprise with Paul,
you know better than anybody West coast.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
To East coast game.

Speaker 11 (23:51):
And what a trap that is.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You know, they're in a nine to six game right
now with the Jets, right But not that I've been
paying attention to zone.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
You don't like that.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Put it this way, Matt.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
They haven't shown the game on red zone very much
at all because I don't think the teams are getting
to the red zone.

Speaker 11 (24:08):
Yeah, I think. I mean I saw that Hurts went
down concussion. I think the Eagles are playing better than
anybody right now. The Troits, I mean, if they can
continue to do the play the way they've done with
all these losses that they've had, especially on the defensive side,
power to them. But I would guess it's the Eagles
in the NFC, and I think it's Buffalo and Kansas
City in the AFC. You just don't which Ravens. You

(24:29):
tell me what this raven team is going to show up,
and then I'll let you know how that's going to go,
because if they play the way they did yesterday, they'll
be a factor.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah. I like the Ravens in the AFC, right with
those other two. It's one of those weird things like
when we do the picks and we always talk about
who owned too. You know, Baltimore crushed Buffalo, Buffalo b
Kansas City. Kansas City owns Baltimore. So those are the
three teams I agree with Matt that I would be
focusing on, even though it certainly looks like the Steelers
will win the division, which I think would be a

(25:00):
really bad blow for balt for a Buffalo, because that
would make them possible. I mean a good blow for
a Buffalo because that would mean that they wouldn't be
that in that three spot. And if it's two three,
then Baltimore comes to the two seed and that's not
a good matchup for Buffalo to have to play the Ravens.
So I think, but I agree with you, Matt. I

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think that those are the teams that are playing the best.
We'll see who's playing the best in you know, another
month or so. But right now, it's hard to argue
with Detroit, Philly, Kansas City, Flow, Baltimore if those are
the teams. Maybe maybe Green Bay trying to sneak into
that mixtep.

Speaker 11 (25:36):
That's a good one, Paul, that's a good one. Party.
Here's my question for you. Yeah, is it too much
to ask for these guys to be a pain in
the neck today?

Speaker 13 (25:45):
What do you think.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
To be a pain in the neck. Yeah, that's probably
too much to ask. What I'm asking for today and
what I'm kind of expecting today, Matt, is for them
to figure out a couple of things, clean up a
couple of things, play together like a professional football team,
because let's face it, that was kind of lacking against Arizona,
especially coming off the buy. Go out there and make
a representative effort and and you know, just show up

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as a team that you know on paper, on the field,
everything else. No, you're going up against, as we just said,
maybe the best team in the league right now, but
make a representative effort. I don't know that they're going
to get in the way all that much. I would
expect them to, and I think they do have the
ability to play much better than they have and that's
should keep it within a couple of touchdowns. Can it be,

(26:33):
you know, can it be a one or two score
game middle of the fourth quarter. I think it can be,
and don't I don't know if it's going to pose
that much of a problem. I don't know if you're
going to scare the Bills today, but I think you
can give them an honest effort, and sadly, I think
that has lacked, you know, a couple of times throughout
this four game losing streak.

Speaker 11 (26:53):
Yeah, and I think, you know, if you look back
at this year, which is just chuck full of disappointments,
I think that the trend, as Paul always likes to
try to follow, is when they put a clunker up,
they usually are representative. If that was the word that
g has just used, hardy, Yeah, they're usually representative the
next week. Buffalo certainly hasn't stoped anybody in the last

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couple of weeks. They're playing against much better offenses. So
you'd like to think from a Patriots' perspective that there's
a chance that they move the ball and score some points.

Speaker 14 (27:22):
Today.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
But you know, if they get down inside the twenty,
the fifteen of the ten, that's obviously where the problems
have occurred down the stat stretch here.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
All right, Matt Smith is in Buffalo. He is he
is serving as double agent today there with the Patriots,
but also has ingratiated himself to the fans of Buffalo
so much so that he calls them the best fans
in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's I mean standing by it.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
No, are we sure he didn't actually get captured by
I think.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
They've got Matt blink twice if you need help, say
it Smith, Matt, thank.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
You for letting me keep your seat warm here this week, and.

Speaker 15 (28:01):
Good luck you.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Thank you have the have a good rest of the trip.
What do you guys get back tonight? Are you gonna
Are you gonna be back here at Toillette? Stating before
we leave eleven.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
I think is when we're scheduled to arrive. All right,
back at you let skater.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, we'll be We'll be gone a little bit
before then, but safe travels back. Enjoy the game today, Matt,
Thanks party, and thank you for all you do.

Speaker 11 (28:23):
Great job as usual.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Thanks Matti are Matt? There he goes Matt Smith. I
cut him off right there mid salutations.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Can I can I throw a question to Paul? I
just thought of Paul. You've been in the reverse of
this a lot, Like you watched this Patriots team for
many years, get to late December, only couple losses, They've
got to play a division opponent that's struggling. Like, what
was you what's your thought for the Bills? Like if
you were the Bills, I know you've been in the
Patriots position, but what do you think the Bills are
looking at this game?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
And well, that's why I'm sort of in the back
of my mind. I'm not one hundred percent all in
on what everybody else is saying. This game is going
to be, you know, forty three to you know, to sell, Like,
I just don't know how human nature doesn't seep in.
We just went on the road. Really, look at the
last three games. They had an emotional Sunday night win

(29:10):
in the snow against San Francisco, and then they go
on the road for two games against the Rams and
the Lions that were sort of just epic track meets
where you're scoring forty you're.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Giving up forty.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Doesn't there kind of have to be an emotional letdown
eleven and three against three and eleven back home. I mean,
Buffalo probably looks at this game is we're not going
to lose it, but we don't need to be at
our best to win it. So I wouldn't be surprised
if it was a little bit of a slower start
for Buffalo, But at some point I think they just

(29:41):
kick it in. Now. The flip side of that is,
if you're a mature team and you've learned it all,
you know, as you've been trying to build to this
team to get to where you want to go, you
come down and you lay the hammer down in the
first half and get a three score lead and then
coach in the second half. That's why you know, not
that we're allowed to anyway, but that's why I wouldn't
put any money on these games, because who the hell

(30:03):
knows what the spread at the end of the game
is going to be, and you know how meaningless the
touchdowns are going to be both sides? Who knows?

Speaker 5 (30:10):
What do you remember about Patriots games still like this?
Like because I I kind of feel like it's I
don't get hurt.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I don't always think it one.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
It's kind of as a fan when I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It was a Monday night game in O four in
Miami where the Patriots were like thirteen and two and
the Dolphins were two and thirteen, and it was an
unbelievable loss to the Dolphins. I still remember the fourth
quarter collapsed right twenty nine, twenty eight something like that
at uh Darius Thompson the game winning touchdown.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Big night for Wes.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Welker, I believe for the Dolphins, maybe maybe setting the
stage he did not kick, but maybe setting the stage
for him becoming a Patriot.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That would be Sorry.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
I just saw Aaron Rodgers scramble for I don't know
what that was.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know, he ran for like forty yards last week.
It was like the most he's run for in like
three years.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Beyond the line of scrimmage or just running back and forth,
like those yards that they count with the tracks the.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Tracker right now. He actually ran three miles off of
can't move.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
He can't he can no longer move.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Be careful talking about him, ruggle on the pat mcafshew
and complain that you're talking about him.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
So that that would be my name.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Anyways, in general, the Patriots take care of business in
these games, especially late in the year. I throw Caleb.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Williams, all right, well, that's not great for Lions.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Try to put in almost thirty in the first half.
That's pretty good, is it. Yeah, it's a lot of
points a short period of time.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yes, especially when if you've, if you spend a lot
of time watching a team, let's say, let's just say,
for the sake of argument, through fourteen games, has not
scored more than twenty four points in an entire game.
Then yes, twenty seven points.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
In a half is a lot? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Pretty much?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Mostly?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
All right, let's go to the phones here eight five
to five, Pats five hundred. You can also email podcasts
plural at Patriots dot com.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Scored twenty five points? What scored twenty five? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Guy, come on you sure?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
They beat the Jets twenty five to twenty two. Oh okay,
all right, thank you.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
I've get your facts straight.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
If anyone, if anyone is locker, if anyone is going
to correct anyone on the final score of a game
or what was the final scoring play of that game?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Paul two point conversion. See my guy, he knows it's
going to be Paul Perillo. Let's talk with com Mandre.
If I'm not mistaken, is that right? I think they
threw a little swing pass there or more. Stevenson who
was uncovered two point conversion.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Cousin Patty Agam first up here on the show. Cousin Patty,
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Hello?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Oh no, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's an afternoon game. You never know what you're going
to get from. Cousin Patty get it?

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Oh you know what, I think I hit the wrong button.
I think that's on me. Let's try this.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, it was totally me, yes there the whole time.

Speaker 16 (32:53):
So what's going on everyone? I mean today, I'm kind
of with you, Paul.

Speaker 13 (32:57):
I could see that.

Speaker 16 (32:58):
I could see the Bills trying to shorten the game
and like run a little bit more and try, you know,
just like we saw back in the Dynasty era. Just
get off the field, get the win. But what I
want to see from our guys is I just want
to see them. I want to see them actually like
come out and compete, not like what they did last week,
and just don't don't beat yourself. I mean, you're the

(33:20):
talent disparag disparagy is there. You know, they're even if
they play a mistake free game, they're probably gonna get
beat by two scores. But either way, I just want
to see him play smart and discipline this week and
going forward.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
That's all I got, guys, Thanks Patty, Thanks Pett, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
He's right, there was a little Eldred nature to that.
I agree with you, like I'll really recall the Bills.
First of all, the Bills do run the ball more
than they they have. That started last year with Joe
Brady when he replaced Ken Dorsey as offensive coordinator. But
I don't I didn't advocate shortening the game.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I just think.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That the Bills should want to look at this game.
Let's get a lead. Let's you know, there are three
and eleven team, Let's get out in front. Don't give
them any hope. Let's end there, you know, and their
hope of an upset early, and then we can cruise
in the second half. You know, I'm not looking at
them trying to come out and run the ball forty
five times and shorten the game or anything like that.
I figured that's why you were giving me. I want

(34:16):
to I think it would be the opposite, like go
out and light it up early, get three scores in
the first quarter, and sort of end the game that way.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yeah, let's go to uh Todd here on the Patriots
pregame show, which is fueled by Duncan Todd and North
Carolina Bill Belichick's new home.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
What's up?

Speaker 17 (34:33):
Oh yeah, definitely going to go and see the Heels
play a little bit. I've been watching our Panthers play,
and I've been watching a little bit of Washington and
in the other games, and I've come to the conclusion
that a good coach can really elevate your team. But
man Canalis for Canalis for Us makes some wonky calls
and does some weird stuff, and he has similar press

(34:54):
conferences to Mayo. So my fear is that Mayo is
going to take a while to get to be to
that type of coach that can elevate people. How much
of a difference, how many points do you think you're
good coaching can really take this team up? And that's
my question for you guys, And well, go pack final.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Thanks to That's hard hard to say, all right.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
This kind of this kind of fuels something I was
thinking about this week, and I mentioned a couple of
times on the Sports Hub, which is, you know all
this talk of coaching and all these reports, you know this,
that and the other way? Would you say that you
know any one position or any one coordinator or the
head coach whatever it is, has been an absolute meltdown

(35:39):
disaster this season for the Patriots and spoiler alert, I
can't look at any aspect or facet of this team
and say, well, obviously this is, you know, a complete
dumpster fire. I don't feel that way. What I feel
it is it's a combination of some personnel. It's a
combination of some people kind of like growing into the

(36:02):
roles here. And if you could identify one thing, let's say,
in years past, you could look at let's say, okay,
special teams coaching that needs to change. Obviously there are
some issues there. Saw that a few seasons ago. This year,
I think it's more of a conversation. I think it's
a bit more ambiguous.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
I don't feel great about the wide receivers. I don't
feel great about that room. I don't feel great about
their consistency week in and week out. I just there
hasn't been a lot of development there. That's one room.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I would point out, as I don't feel great about
anything they've really done this year, and I.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Would agree with you, Kayshawan, but no element, no element
of the team.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
I mean, you know, Kayshawan. Booty was a nice story
early on because he was on the bubble, and I
mean he was as much in the mix as anybody
of I don't know what to expect. He could be cut,
he could be on the team. And I've said it
a couple of times, Like one of the things I
always liked about Booty was like his hands, Like I
just thought he was a good catcher like that. Like no,

(36:59):
not super hands, not super fast or anything like that,
but like, man, he just always seemed to catch the
ball when it went his way. And like what's frustrating
with the season is now he's unsure, you know, his
hands are not sure hinted anymore?

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Okay, you know, but this relates back to coaching. Okay,
And so is that a coaching issue?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Is it?

Speaker 14 (37:18):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Would you have some things be coached up differently in
the receiver room or is it a combination of personnel
and maybe not being on the same page. I'm not
saying anything is good Sarily, I just can't point at
one aspect of it sticking to the to the coaching
side of the team, and say, well, obviously that's a disaster.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's a problem that needs to change.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I feel like I have a problem getting myself there
that room.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Specifically, especially the first like eight, nine, even ten games
of the season, it's been like a Russian Roulette in
that room of like, Okay, this person's gonna be the
oddo man out this week, this person's hurt, this person
miscurfew whatever. It's like the it was like juggling wide receivers.
I feel like for a while where you didn't know
if someone was gonna play, how many reps they were

(38:03):
gonna get, Like who was going to be out there.
It just was very confusing. Where I feel like, is
now the last five games or so, it's very obvious
who the guys are going to be out there every
single week, unless you know, obviously they get hurt. I
feel like it was just tough to see when that room,
starting with training camp, We're like, how is this going
to play out? There's so many guys in that room.
Who's gonna be the odd man out who's gonna make

(38:24):
the roster. And we were still dealing with that until
like what last.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Week, we slowly came their room out. Yeah, as those
guys went. But I just I'm over the my bads,
I'm over the you know, oh I ran the wrong route,
I didn't run far enough. You know, it's a lot
of that stuff. It's details and that to me, you know,
points of coaching. I would say, though, I'll echo your
sentiment for you know, it's been tough. Tough for Scott Peters.
I mean I think that with the offensive line, with
what he's had to work with, with the injuries that

(38:50):
that group has experienced, that's tough. Same with the linebackers. Coaches,
you know, not a lot to work with injuries compounded
the problems. You know, the secondary play has been up
and down. Of course, Christian Zalez is having a great year.
So I mean there's a lot to kind of unpack there.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
But yeah, for safeties too, because I'm like, they probably
didn't expect to play del Pettis as much as he's.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Been with Dougger was heard and you know, I mean, look,
I don't want to make excuses because at a certain point,
like everybody's kind of hurt, and certain teams find a
way to overcome it and find ways to have guys
like del Pettis play serviceably. So we'll see how it
goes today. But you know, three games and just real quick,
like looking back I did a little looxie back see
over the last couple of days. I mean, after the bye,
last three seasons, after the by Patriots one and four,

(39:33):
three and five, two and five, you know, and that's
I don't want to connect this team to those teams,
but just this is generally a team that has not
played their best football at the end of the season,
unless it was you know, special circumstances like going against
you know, Jacksonville when they hung like fifty on them
in twenty one. So you know, they need something special today.
And you know Patty saying, oh, I just I want
to see them beyond their you know, beyond their game,

(39:55):
not make stupid mistakes like at a certain point, like
that's who they are, Like, that's what they've been doing weekend,
week out, and for the third to last week of
the season, for them to suddenly play air tight football,
it's it's a lot, a.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Lot last week.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Like, I understand that they didn't play well, but I
think they had four penalties. Yeah, I think they had
one turnover, like when the game was already sort of decided.
That's not why they lost. Like this, you know, they
need to play a clean game on you know, more discippline. Yeah, sure,

(40:27):
we all do. I mean, like the goal every week
is to be as mistake free as you possibly can.
But to Mike's point, they're not going to go through
these games not making mistakes or looking great like last week.
The defense, you know, back to your coaching question, Like,
the defense to me, doesn't make any adjustments when they're
not playing well. The tackling has been a problem. I

(40:50):
think the run defense has been a huge problem. So like,
to me, any and everything coaching wise should be on
the table. You know. The one thing that I think
everybody came into the season all in agreement. There's a
lot of newness, so a lot of guys doing something
for the first time, and it shows. It shows because
they haven't played consistently well really at any stage of

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the season.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
All Right, We're gonna go to Justin in Virginia, who
is on the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan justin
what's going on?

Speaker 18 (41:20):
What's going on?

Speaker 11 (41:21):
Real quick, Tamara.

Speaker 18 (41:22):
I saw your commercials on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
That's awesome.

Speaker 18 (41:26):
You commercial popped up and it was awesome, and I
was like, oh, that's America.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Hold on, one second place commercial for what.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
My migraine medication?

Speaker 18 (41:34):
I don't even remember what it was for, but.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
There you go, girl, I doesn't even remember what it
was for.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
But it's not great for the advertiser. No, your my,
do you have you created your own migraine medicine?

Speaker 6 (41:48):
Oh? No, So I suffer from migraine and the medication
that I take is who I did a commercial for.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Because I was going to say that is an impressive
side hustle. Yeah, I mean the FDA approval alone is
a full time job. But no, you you were contacted
by the maker of the medicine, said correct, yeah, right on,
and it's working. Yes, how are the migraines.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Not here currently? Because of that?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Great?

Speaker 6 (42:11):
So yeah, I've been taking it for a few years.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
In well, what else you got for us?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Justin?

Speaker 18 (42:16):
So, part of what I would be concerned about is
in this first year, I feel like, in hindsight, we
got a lot of these teams in like either the
worst version of the team or we realized they weren't
that good.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
Jets.

Speaker 18 (42:30):
We realized they weren't that good. The Texans in hindsight,
it's like I think Nico Collins wasn't playing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
The Texans blew the Patriots out? What the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (42:43):
The Texans blew the Patriots out.

Speaker 18 (42:46):
No, but I'm saying like, it's like we're still getting
beat by these teams, even though like you should in
theory at least have some kind of champ.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
But I just the Texans aren't one of those teams.
To me, Texans are much much better than the Patriots.
Like you want to say, like Jacksonville. I think Jacksonville
is an example.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Okay, well the Colts.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
We're watching the Colts, you know on the red zone
right now. You know those those are games that I
thought you should have been able to compete in, especially
the Jacksonville game. They probably should have beaten the Colts Jacksonville.
Jacksonville was in disarray when you went to London and
they ran the ball seventeen plays in a row against you.
That's embarrassing. I agree with Justin's point on that that's

(43:25):
a team you should have been able to to compete
better than that with.

Speaker 13 (43:30):
Justin.

Speaker 18 (43:30):
Yeah, I just felt like we went through a stretch
where it's felt like every.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Weed on the down well.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
There, yeah, yeah, look, there have been I would say
this season could best be described and thanks for the
College Justin, as a series of bad stretches. You've had
a couple of you know, you had the six.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Game losing streak and they're currently on a four game
losing streak.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, you you you know you had that. I don't
want to know if I call it if I want
to call it false hope in Week one, but you
give a team and a bunch of engage players a
couple few weeks to prepare for one game, which I
now feels exactly what they were doing during training camp.
They were preparing for the Bengals in Week one, as

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opposed to preparing for an entire season, which good teams
can afford to do if you're a new team with
a lot of newness.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
As you said, Paul, can I be really negative about
the about the opener for a second? I mean, in retrospect,
do you think that little something to do with the
fact that the Bengals were on a wildcat strike. You know,
they were all pissed off that T. Higgins didn't get
a contract, Jamar Chase didn't get a contract. They didn't
take part in any of a training camp. They weren't
ready to go. They always start slow to begin with.

(44:45):
They weren't playing like and you know, with with fourteen
games now to sort of base it on, I'm gonna
look at that game and say it if the Patriots
were playing the Bengals like two weeks ago, oh no,
they're nobly would have given up forty five points.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
But that's why I say, you give you some false
hoping you want out there, and this is this is
a team. We've talked about it a lot here as
we look at these last few games of the season, like, well,
what could the Patriots finish out? What would Buffalo do?
This is something I've heard a lot, you know, in
Week eighteen, you know, if Buffalo's not playing for anything,
what you know, what does that mean? And the notion

(45:19):
is nothing in terms of the actual outcome of the game. Right,
you know, the Bills could probably go out there with
a bunch of you know, nons I already even care
and still they win if they don't need the game then,
you know what I mean, Like they're just sort of
waiting to get ready for the next week. Like, let's
say that Kansas City wins their next game.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, so the number one seeds out Buffalo, even if
they play Josh Allen and those guys, they're going to
be out there with nothing to play for.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Like, even that wouldn't matter to me.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
They would still you know, still, you would still pick
the Bills to win.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Oh I would. Yeah, I'm saying if the Patriots won.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying that at this point
in this season, I would. I would still expect the
Bills to win that game. So all right, Week one,
all those things about you know, Cincinnati may have been true,
but you still have to go out there and put
together some kind of a game, and they did. My
only point is this, aside from that, aside from another
win or two, this season has been.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
About bad stretches.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
It's been about the stretches of things not being fixed
from week to week. I think we're due for at
least a few things to be fixed this week. That's
all not not to the point where they get a
win in Buffalo today, but we're.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Just like any bit better.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I like it because in all seriousness and you know,
the three of us are here every week with Matt
and we've like we're working like we're trying to find
those Yeah, we're working hard to try to find you know,
like that path or some kind of opening.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Uh, you know we you know other than Drake May.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yes, and it's really hard to find. Could you imagine,
you know, watching this team and trying to stay engaged
with this team without Drake May being a part of
the conversation and we can get into describe the Jets
win well, yeah, you know, get into the nuance of
Drake May, and we will in terms of, you know,
how good he's actually been, but without dissecting it too much.

(47:10):
I can't imagine being invested in this team this season
if it weren't for Drake May's play.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:15):
No.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
And another kick on that was Christian Barmore going back
on I R this week. Unfortunately with the point with
blood cloths. I mean, he's a big part of the defense,
and I mean that's just unfortunate. You know, I don't
want to paint that and that's that's kind of a
unique case. But I just I struggle to find that
hope for the defense. So I just I haven't seen
anything out of them all year. Offensively. I have a
little bit more hope that Drake can kind of lead them,

(47:37):
Romandre can get going, but defensively for them to slow
down Josh Allen. Today we've seen much better defenses. Patriots
defenses go to Buffalo and get rolled by this this offense,
maybe even lesser versions of this Bill offense. So really
interested to see what the Patriots defense brings today because
it's it's a huge challenge in every team in the NFL.
It's a huge challenge to stop this guy.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
All right, let's speak with Deshaun in Virginia here on
the Patriots pre game show eight five five Pats five hundred.
That's the TPX hotline. Deshaun, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (48:07):
I love.

Speaker 15 (48:11):
Are good.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
To talk that might this guy like if if we
get blown out of these last days, I look at
that probably get along with John Ray Daniels to lay that,
you know, and because I heard you were talking about
like coaching media is a different and give yourself on
a point though, but you can't be better that they

(48:35):
can bomb.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
They can't.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
They can't that's the way I guys stop like that
the right direction. That's all I would say.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
All right, thanks to Sean.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
I caught some of that based on calling from the
other side of an empty container of some kind. I'm
like a shipping container.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I know Mike probably will disagree.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I'm not like hugely clamoring for Mike rabele to be
the next coach, but that's.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Just me defense well in generally, you know, just kind.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Of think he's been average. Like I don't think he's
been good as good as people think he has. That's it.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
That way.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I wish I wish her. I wish he were as
good a coach as people's rade over.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yep, right, that's a good point. And by the way,
I'm not suggesting that like Mayo has been great. I mean,
that's not my point. I'm just looking here. Six and
eleven is last year, seven and ten the year before that,
and I want to say he's he's eight and twenty

(49:40):
four in like his last last thirty two games or
something like that, like it's been bad yea, And yeah,
I think people sort of remember that team that kind
of surprised everyone and got to the AFC Championship. They
hadn't been that. Even the team that one got the
number one seed was just kind of like they lost
their first game at home with that number one seed.

(50:03):
I think Vrabel's a good coach, and I really am
intrigued by him spending the year trying to focus more
on the offensive side. I think that was a really
smart move by Mike. I personally like Mike a lot,
so I mean I can understand, you know, like if
that was the next guy, it's always good to have,
you know, somewhat of a relationship with the head coach.
But I just I'm not sure it's like this magic

(50:25):
fix that a lot of people are sort of making
it out to be.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yeah, I mean, my only thing would be give them
Drake May instead of Ryan Tannehill. You know that. Yeah,
you got an upgrade.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Drake are going to play as well as Ryan Tannehill
did that year that they went to the AFC Championship.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Giam, he's gonna be way better. Wait, think so, I do.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Because that was one of the best years that you
can have.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Still he's limited, but and is Arthur Smith coming with him? No,
Joshack Daniels, Because that's what it took. I'll just say this.
You know, something I thought of is that, you know, Mayo,
assuming Mayo's back, the Patriots can be forced to do
hard Knocks this summer and they've never done it before.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Oh so you got to have a new coach so
you don't have to do it.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Well, I'm saying I love that hard Knocks theory. Well, no,
that's not I'm making the other point. The point is
that that was a total Yeah. The point is that
Mayo stage, you might have to open up everything to
show this summer what they're doing here. So you know
what I mean. It's just it's just something to consider.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Uh, Okay, Number one, there's a real reason to root
against Hard Knocks because I'll have to watch it. Well,
because you got number one part of your job.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Then who's still watching Hard Knocks? Like religious Mike watches
it all the time.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
I have watched that season one, which is tapered off
by the way, Rich Perillo tapered off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Rich My brother he watches all the time. He loves it.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I have kind of given.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Up on it. Okay, So your your fear would be
that they have to open up and show everything that
they do.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
I mean, you know, we all know what the criticism
is right now about this team, and you know, I'm
sure they'll have edited some editorial input. It's not going
to be but you know, it's been tough for Mail
this year with the media and you know, not really.
I mean, I'm sure he'll be better in year two.
But it's just something to think about. I'm not saying, oh,
we got to fire the coach because we don't want
it to be on a knocks but but there's a
very good chance that you line up with the criteria

(52:06):
that you a team that has never done Hard Knocks
can be forced to do it absolutely and look, Rex Ryan,
let's go get a snack. I mean, it's behind the scenes,
so maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's a good thing,
but then you're going to put it on display and say,
look this this team really does know the direction they're going.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And it's not a bad thing at all for a
team like that that's been proven. There's many teams that
have been on Hard Knocks that made the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
That year, there was not like it, and there were
a ton of players watching Rex Ryan do in that
season of Hard Knocks. It said I want to go
play for him. They loved it, They love the culture,
they love the atmosphere there. Yeah, that was something that
they gravitated toward. But my question for you is what
would you be afraid of getting revealed here on a
hard knocks or what would the Patriots be afraid of

(52:47):
being revealed?

Speaker 5 (52:49):
I'd be afraid that you're showing people that it doesn't
look like a smooth operation. That's what I thought you
were don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Is there anyone that still thinks it's like a perfectly
smooth or that you think it?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It's another thing to see it.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
And Mike's points and if these three games are losses,
like and Mayo comes back, what what kind of leash
does he have going into next season? So now you're
gonna set the stage for a season where he's probably
going to be on a tight leash in terms of,
you know, how the team does, and you're going to
open up the doors and see if this is this
is what it looks like behind the scenes. Maybe it's great,

(53:21):
maybe like wow, like I I you know, like you said,
there's play for that guy. But it's also a little
bit risky.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I think now you know what they say out worrying duce.
It's like paying interest on money you'll never borrow.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Okay, so I don't even worry.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
I don't worry about it, don't even do it. I'm
a little worried about the game. But that's it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Do they say that, I just say do.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
I've heard worry is a down payment on a problem
you may never even have. I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I like my version better.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I heard of either one.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
I've heard one that says, don't worry, be happy.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I heard that one.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
And and coincidentally, Bobby McFerrin on the phone from South Carolina. Oh, no,
it's Derek. Sorry, go ahead, Derek.

Speaker 13 (54:03):
Hey guys, how y'all doing Now?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
We're doing well? Rick, Yeah, you're you're driving up?

Speaker 10 (54:08):
Yeah, I'm driving real quick.

Speaker 13 (54:11):
I've bet a Patriots fans the days of Grogan and
Cunningham and Vegas, Ferguson, Stanley, Morgan, the whole crew right
seen the opposite, damn.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Sure of seeing it down these things.

Speaker 13 (54:23):
They changed the offense, the scheme of the offense to
this wide zone of the zone run the offensive. The
personnel number one didn't really fit it, including the running
back Yep, Stevenson is a power guy. This you know, this,
this cut and everything else that's more Gibson and Gibson
has done pretty well, yep. But the kicker is well

(54:46):
is in my opinion, is the one that needs to
go because he lifted on the draft.

Speaker 11 (54:52):
I get it.

Speaker 13 (54:52):
It is what it is, right, paulk has been a
huge disappointment when there are other opportunities could have traded to,
tried to trade up in the first rould re look
at whatever. Outside of Drake May, no one from this
draft has really had any sort of contribution, whether it
be from talent or injury. And the players that have
resigned has when you played like a nineteen million dollar
offensive lineman, no, you know. So there's so many question

(55:17):
marks going into the offseason. And the one thing I
wonder about is when they showed the Crafts in Arizona
visibly upset with the play calling and probably everything that
had to.

Speaker 10 (55:28):
Do with that game.

Speaker 13 (55:29):
When the offseason hits, are they going to turn a
little more Jerry Jones and start to make some changes
and decisions that would have never happened under their previous regime.
I'll take it off the air.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Guys, thank you very much, all right, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Thanks Derek. Well, I mean I would I would just
say it would never happen under the previous regime, except
for it just did. Like two years ago, the Matt Patricia,
you know, disaster offensive coordinator scheme immediately went to Bill O'Brien,
and the vast majority of the reports out of that
came that that was an edict from above. So they

(56:03):
just did that when Bill, when Bill Belichick was still here.
So I think there'll be changes on the coaching staff.
I don't know exactly what they'll be, but to go
three and eleven and expect, well, everything's great, we have
everything in place, Well, there won't be any change. Can
we also naive there's going to be changes.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Can we also draw a distinction between ownership getting involved
and in the decisions that greatly affect the football team
and Jerry Jones, who I mean, there's yeah, there's there's
something in between between a hands off owner.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And Jerry Jones.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I would expect an owner to be involved and have
something to say about who's being hired and how the
team looks, and you know, what things are happening to
the to the naked eye, to what anybody watching the team,
what you know, the questions that you have. Yeah, I
think it's not only fair, but it's I agree it's
expected for ownership to have questions and input on some

(56:59):
of these matters. You don't have to be, you know,
be a GM and do a weekly radio show and
you know, talk about things in minutia. So no, I
think here's the point. I think there is involvement. There
will be involvement, and it doesn't have to be meddling involvement.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah. Like, just because like this there's involvement doesn't mean
it has to be a negative connotation.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I totally agree with party on that.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
It's their team, they should be involved.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
You have to meet with your boss.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
How about John? Now, John, are we gonna say and
I've asked you this before, John, A, we're gonna say
on South Beach or in South Beach references?

Speaker 15 (57:41):
In yes, Johnny, South Beach is the is the number
one freverence. Sure, it's a it's just kind of stuck, John,
in South Beach is the second. Since you're not currently
lounging and in fact, I will be taking the American
Airlines flight to Bradley International Airport at eight pm today,
So A big, a big.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Switch for me is coming all right, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 10 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (58:05):
And you made me laugh before. My mom whenever my
siblings and I would say something or do something untowards
on a Sunday, she would plead with us that it
was the Lord's Day and we need to scale back
on that kind of that kind of talking behavior.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
It's good, lady.

Speaker 15 (58:25):
You know, I've got very basic take for what I
think is about to happen. I think this is a
really bad spot for the Patriots. I think we're getting
set up to get potentially a little bit embarrassed here
because Ara A McDermott I think takes the unique pleasure in,
you know, banking us, and I don't think they have

(58:46):
to try very hard to hang twenty eight to thirty five.
But you know I will be I'll be on my
NFL app, I will be listening to the call, and
I've kind of relinquished myself to it.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Sure, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Okay, See, you're you're just giving giving yourself over to embarrassment,
and preemptive embarrassment will make the actual embarrassment less likely.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Look, it's possible.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
It's kind of silly to say no, they won't get
embarrassed today. Of course they're gonna go out there and
they're gonna, you know, give them a good game, and
they're gonna, you know, right, a few of the wrongs
that have taken place in the last few weeks. I
just think we've seen this, you know, cyclical pattern out
of the Patriots, where all right, you get a couple
few bad games in a row, you get that one
that pops up, and why not against a divisional opponent

(59:33):
today on the road, when everyone expects one thing, that's
when I tend to lean the opposite and go the
other way. So that's what I'm doing today.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I don't want to spoil anything. But the Bills are
missing some will be missing some defensive starters today. So yeah,
the inactors are coming shortly.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
All right, Oh they are out, They're out, they're out.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
All right, you want to hit him with us? Hit
Go ahead, get ahead, Let's hear the inactives.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
Tamara out Buffalo Bills wide receiver Curtis Samuel, Damar Hamlin,
Taylor Rapp Rasul Douglas, Matt Milano, Tyland Grabble, Dwayne Carter
for the Patriots, Jabrill Peppers, Marcus Jones, Jamichael Hasty. I
don't want to promuns his name wrong, is it? Like
Lasita Smith, Tyres Robinson? And then of course Joe Milton

(01:00:19):
is the emergency quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Okay, So I was not expecting Milano. I didn't know
he was injured. Everybody else was hurt. Douglas didn't play
last week. Rapp has been hurt. I didn't know about
Milano's problem.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Yeah, same, Well he was out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
For a while, right, and Hamlin's been hurt too, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Yeah. And just in terms of the Patriots, Gibil Peppers,
a little bit of a surprise there, Marte Mapu back
in and Alex Erickson signing to the practice squad. He
was elevated yesterday, so maybe he'll handle some part return
duties if the Patriots defense forces some punts and Cole
Strains is active, so.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
Huge as to risk, we're going to see Jennings, Terrell Jennings.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Terrel Jennings as well. So yeah, with Tasty being out, Yeah,
and then Paul and I really were intrigued like Jennings
this year runs hard tackle breaker. I think in the
end of the year. Good to get him an opportunity
see what he has.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Maybe fresh legs, fresh legs, because I think that that
your your path to competitiveness is running the ball. The
Bills don't allow a ton of running yards like overall,
but the average per carry is high, and my you know,
thirty thousand foot view of that is that they're almost
always ahead, so the other team can't continue to run

(01:01:31):
the ball. But I think the Patriots should be able
to have some success trying to establish the run early
in the game. Whether or not they stay competitive long
enough for it to be a real factor, we'll see.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
I'm curious with cold Strange being active, you know where
we'll see him in the offensive line and how much especially.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It's trying to be center center.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Yeah, especially Scott Peters.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's what he said on I Guess Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I have a little bit of an update on that,
if you guys want so. Scott Peters talked about he
was asked a lot of questions about Ben Brown and
the snaps last game and beautiful in case, if anybody's
watching and you see already accosting me, Sam Lporter just
caught a touchdown right in the Brett basket.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Thirty four to fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Guys are falling down.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
What was that Was that a low snap?

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Well, yeah, golf likes to fall down sometimes sometimes when
they're going for it on fourth and inches after they
get stuffed out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Which part of that was just though they were both Yeah, anyway,
so the snaps, I guess there was a problem that
you know, obviously the planing at Arizona, desert heat and
all that, a lot of a lot of sweat perspiration,
and there was a towel involved that ended up leading
to some of those those bad snaps, and they removed

(01:02:49):
that towwel and that's why you didn't see any bad
snaps in the second half. I don't know if it
was tucked into the pants a little bit too much
and it was affecting the snap. But Scott Peters talked
about that and he actually said, Cole strange, is it's
been almost all at center deuce?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Do you have some a nanimous is it? Is it anatomically.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Related towards the South Park Towley joke? But I couldn't
come up with it fast enough, So we'll just let
it ride.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Well, let's let's let that ride.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
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Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Get it, go, Go, go show. It's your birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
It's Tamara's birthday and three days right. Not really a
shorty though, No, I mean I'm kind of short in
terms of the usage of the term shorty in the slang.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
It is a It is a catch all term for
the female shorty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
That's you am? I right?

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
I speak young person, I do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Do you know what low taper fade is out? I
speak middle school? Do you like my fresh I tell
you man?

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Do you like my game day fit?

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
No? I like deuces game day fit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Oh it's really hot. I'm sweating. I'm not gonna lie.
It might not make it the postcas.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
There's another one that I just figured out the other day,
and it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Is it Riz?

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
Yeah? The Riz the rizzler.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Hold on a second, now, I forgot RIZ was short
for something else. Thank you, Riz, that's what it means.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
As you said it, I knew.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
I don't. You got it in the dictionary to talk
to these kids now, I don't know kids today.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
I tell you talk and talk to your face turns
blue eight five five pats five hundred. That's the TPX hotline.
What do you got, Tamara?

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
So I want to go back to the anactors for
a second. Marcus Jones. Not having him as a returner,
I think it's gonna hurt, especially.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Like if they punt.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
If they punt, you're right because the there was a period.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Of time where they didn't punt for may not present
as a problem at all. Yeah, against the against the Bills, Uh, specifically,
it's only a couple of years ago where you didn't
force out of them once in two games in a row,
got ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
Yeah, not having him as a returner is kind of
scary because I'm like, who's gonna be just I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
To piggyback with you though, I think he's an underrated.
Solid season for Marcus Jones in all aspects, playing on defense, Uh,
getting some offensive work. Love to see a little bit
more of that. And as you said, every time he
touches the ball on a return like you come out
of your seat a little bit. And that's there's not
a lot of guys like that on the team right now,
and they you know, and when you look at pieces
to build around, he's a piece. I think, you know,

(01:11:09):
I'd love to keep him around. I mean he's got
it is his second third year, so I mean he's
got another year or two under contract, but he's he's
got real dynamic movement skills and that's just something this
team needs in all aspects. And the more they can
get him involved.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
The better, and also as a in the secondary with
him not out, does that more time for like Alex Austin.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Yeah, I mean Isaiah Bolden as well. Maybe maybe Marcellus
Dial moves up from getting some time just primarily on
special teams, but certainly somebody in the slot. And I
think it's it's it's gonna be a good challenge for
these guys today, you know, especially Khalil Shakiraz, the leading
receiver kind of does most of his work from the slot.
But I mean another aspect of that too that that

(01:11:49):
hurts is not having peppers just more because it affects
your depth and these guys have two really good tight
ends that you know are gonna be coverage problems, and
Kyle Dugger continues to be on the injury report. We
know he hasn't had a great season, so it's gonna
put a lot of pressure on him. Jalen Hawkins, your
guy Del Pettis, and we'll see Martim up who gets
back in the lineup. He's been in and out all year.
Love to see him be able to get some momentum

(01:12:10):
here at the end of the season. But yeah, be
challenged those guys covering slot.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
It's weird because it's like you would think that with
Diggs no longer in the picture, that it would be
air quote easier, because that's usually the biggest challenge for
this Patriots defense going up against the Bills, obviously outside
of Josh Allen, but not having him, it's like they're
still just as good, maybe even better, especially now that
they can actually run the football with James Cook. It's

(01:12:35):
it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Well, I mean, I think you got to give the
Bills a lot of credit because a lot of these
guys that are stepping up now are guys that they drafted.
And Shakir was you know, real quiet. His first couple
of years, he wasn't You didn't see him becoming the
leading leading scorer like this, and you know then it
just gives you the ability to go out and get
them Mari Cooper and you don't need a Marii Cooper
to come in and be your savior and you know,
do everything Beasta font Diggs. It's just like they'll be
playing the game and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah,

(01:12:57):
Amary Cooper's on this team. Exactly, you forget about him,
and I mean it's just across the board.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
With the ironically makes them more dangerous, right when yet
when he's not relied upon and you're not expecting him,
it is one of those as you just said, oh yeah,
they have Cooper Arnold Marie Cooper rats.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
From the not again.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Dang it very quickly here. I just want to remind
you that this Patriots pregame fueled by Duncan. If your
team runs on their fans, what do the fans run on?
We should ask Matt Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
That this holds true for the Buffalo Bills fans, which
he says, so think they're Buffalo Wings for this problem.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
When you kick off your day with Duncan. We're with
you all the way to the end zone. Make a
run to Duncan. Official coffee run of the Patriots. Tony
in Canada, jennin Us here on the TPX hotline eight
five to five Pats five hundred, Tony, what's going on?

Speaker 22 (01:13:46):
Hey, Hearty. Good to hear from me again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Good to hear from you, Tony. How are things good?

Speaker 22 (01:13:51):
Glad to see you on the show. Well, so I
calling you to give you my two cents worth.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Question?

Speaker 22 (01:13:58):
Do you know it would have even more of an
effect if we were to get one person that could
make more than a receiver, a first round you know,
an all Star all receiver. Do you know what would
make even more of an effect?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
What's that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
Is?

Speaker 22 (01:14:13):
Signing someone like Vrabel. But Craft's not going to do
it because he made his promise to Mayo, and plus
I think it makes him look really bad if he
fires him. If I was Craft, That's what I would do.
And the other thing is that I think we're all
hoping that Mayo can be come the kind of coach
that Vrabel would be. Why don't we just get the

(01:14:34):
guy Rabel?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
But I would if you have.

Speaker 22 (01:14:38):
A rookie quarterback first year and you have all these
young players. The last thing you need is uh is
the same in your coaching staff. If you're gonna have
a lot of a rookie quarterback and rookie players and
you're hoping you need develop him. I want to see
someone with experience. So I don't think that gets talked
about enough. More about that more. I think there should

(01:15:00):
be more blame on craft. Craft won't do it. And
that's my two cents worth.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Okay, thanks to hear from you again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
All right, Yeah, good to hear from you too. I
myself would aim higher if I'm projecting toward what I
wish for Drod maol call me crazy. How about a
coach that's even projects to be or I would want
to be better than Mike Rabel.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Mike Rabel.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
Mike Rabel's a good coach, and he'll coach again, and
I'm sure he'll be fine or even better than fine.
But is he he is as high as you dare
yourself dream?

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
I think I can dream a little higher than Mike
Rabel in terms of what your head coach ends up being.

Speaker 5 (01:15:40):
I think when you hire a coach who's never really
coached before, you have to have a little bit of flexibility.
I mean, that's I don't know where the line is,
but you have to acknowledge when you gave jirob Mao
the job that you hadn't really done it before, and
so you know it's there has to be some kind
You can't say, all right, good luck, you're gonna coach now,
and it better be perfect or else like that. And

(01:16:01):
I know we can sit here and debate about what
the line is and how the team should look and
you know what they should have a identity and all
those kind of things. But at the same time, like
you hired a guy who hadn't coached before, so you
have to have a little bit of flexibility in your thinking.
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Let me ask you guys this. You know, we're just
playing a little catch up here. By the way, how'd
your chinway go with the sports?

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
It must have been exciting?

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
It was fine. It was fine, nothing, nothing too outstanding.
Most of the stuff that we had already talked about
with Cole Strange and things like that, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Of course, because we covered all here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
We cover how much was made around here inside the
walls of Gillette Stadium about Drod Mayo's postgame comments about
Drake may running the football and you said it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
I didn't a little bit. Talked about it on Tuesday
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
What'd you make of it, Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
I mean, I know he clarified it and sort of
indicated that he wasn't, But I mean it's hard to
it's hard to come away from that comment and not
think he's emotionally talking right after a loss, yep, and
lamenting the fact that they didn't go with a quarterback sneak. Now,
I kind of look at it differently, Like to me,

(01:17:10):
the story was whether or not he's you know, upset
with his offensive coordinator, not whether or not that they
ran a quarterback sneak. Yeah, which this whole thing like
mat Now, magically you would have gotten it if you
had just gone with a quarterback sneak. No, So those
guys that didn't get blocked on third and fourth in
inches would have suddenly been blocked if you were gone
with a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
So that kind of irritated me by But these are
the things that Mayo and you know, he's even joking
about it. It's like walk it back, you know, and
I'll just you know, I'll walk that back, like no,
stop like stop saying things that you have to walk back. Yeah,
you know, And I just would like to see some
signs I understand what Mike's saying, and I'm on board

(01:17:49):
with Mike a thousand percent. Like you knew there was
a lot of inexperience with your coaching staff, so you
had to know that you were going to experience a
season kind of like this. But let's learn from it,
let's get better from it. Let's start doing things less
that we were doing earlier in the season. And really,
I haven't seen a lot of examples of things that
are sort of improving, including that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
It's hard when you keep saying things and you keep
becoming the storyline, and you know, it's not just about
the team even it's about what the coach said, and
you want to step out of that and let's let
everyone focus on the team for better or worse. Right,
don't make the problem worse by you know, stepping in it. That's,
you know, one thing that he needs to continue to improve.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
All right, let's grab some of these emails here too
that are rolling into a podcasts at Patriots dot Com.
This is from Jay in Maryland Hardy. Why do I
hate Josh Allen so much? Is it the diving or
just his face? I do diving, I do not Josh
Allen train.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
It's like a truck.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Maybe diving forward for extra yards is what he.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Means, diving over a linebacker to his hand maybe of
the season, Maybe that's what he means.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
I do not like the new Madam Madden NFL QBS.
I prefer just an old school pocket passer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Thanks to Merry Christmas, Jay Clark and Maryland real happy
for you. Welcome to nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Somebody, I've heard this too plenty of times leading up
to this Buffalo game, that if kind of on the
heels of what Tony and Canada said about the drawd Mayos,
some day morphing into Mike rabel Is Drake may maybe
project to be something along the lines of Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
I mean, that's the confidence that was part of Chinawag,
you know. I mean, I think everybody you know wants
to pump the brakes on all these comparisons, and I mean,
Josh Allen's a special player. And what's my favorite saying
comparison is the thief of joy? Right, everything has to be.
He's like this, He's like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Why do I feel like I have no idea what
anybody is?

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Like, I've heard that comparison is a shortcut to thinking
that's that's a.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Good one too. I just I can't grasp my brain
around something unique and interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
That's a Robbie Roadsteamer.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Oh okay, Josh Allen's a super special player, and I
mean I think it takes away from from both those guys.
And look, they have some similar traits. And Alex Van
Pelt walked through the same thing this week in his
press conference of you know, certainly there are when you're
scouting the guys. They have good size, they good arm.
But Josh Allen is, like we said, a freight train.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
I mean he like, so do we not like Drake
May's style because he's not a pure pocket passer? Like
this is the way these guys play. Now, I understand,
like Brady and Manning, you know, aren't that old? You
know they they both left the game, what you know,
within the last five years, But who, like, give me
more of those? Yeah, you know, it's it's mahomes, it's out,

(01:20:38):
it's hurts, it's you know, Lamar Jackson like, these are
the guys that are winning MVPs. Yeah, these are the
guys that are advancing in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Now, I think you I'm not telling you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
You absolutely have to have that that kind of ability,
but I think it's really hard in this era to
just succeed purely from the pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
I know, and whether it's Brady or Manning or Aaron
Rodgers in his prime, those guys who were just so
accurate and so good at passing the football, that would
be great. What's wrong with having somebody who can pick
up yards with his feet and also bulldoze some some
linebackers and absolutely make a mockery out of safeties to
trying and tackle them. That's fun. I have no problem

(01:21:21):
watching that' style of football. The only problem I have
with it is if they get injured. Josh Allen, it
didn't get hurt a whole lot. If you can, if
you can continue to play that way, yeah, good for him,
bad for you as a Patriots fan, but good for
Buffalo and good for Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Now, I think that's a great point. Hardy and you know,
I know Are McDermott wants to sort of limit those hits,
and they keep talking about it every offseason, and then
literally in the very first game of the year, he's
jumping over a linebacker into the end zone, land on
his hand and broke it. He's played the whole season
with a fractured hand, so you just can't stop him

(01:21:55):
from playing the way he wants to play.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
That's how players are. I mean, that's you see it
in Drake. I mean, even after you know he got concussed,
he still came back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
He's not going to hooks lots.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
Still going to be aggressive. I think there's some nuance
to this discussion though, where you can say, and we
talked about it a lot with running read option in
the red zone or you know, limiting the hits but
using his legs and not you know, we're not running
him in the middle of the field and you know,
letting him do what Lamar does. I mean, he's not
that kind of runner, but I think it's excellent to have, especially,
I mean, nobody hates it more than me. On a

(01:22:23):
third and long, everybody's covered and all of a sudden,
Drake may just goes and you know, picks up a
first down. That's that's a great skill to have on
third down and but I don't need to see designed
runs or anything like that in the middle of the field.
Use it short yardage situations, limit the hits. But at
the end of the day, he's gonna Drake's gonna do
what Drake doesn't It makes him great. And so you
can't tell him like don't run, don't run like he's

(01:22:43):
got to play the game. He's he he knows how
to play.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Especially in the red zone.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
You know they've had so short What were you trying
to indicate to me?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Just just you know, your boy just went for a
signals your boy just went for another fourth down, you
know inside like the fifteen Just kick the field goal.
Make it a twenty point game, Like what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Well, it's fourth and three, so it's only it's only
nine feetball, you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Not a lot on like that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
I mean, yeah feet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Well, they didn't get any of them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
You know what I liked. I liked last week the
on side kick with twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Another egregiously bad over aggressive plays.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
That scary was the Lions field going in the playoffs,
that he's gonna have like one of these.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I'm with them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I'm I'm rooting for Hardy so much that you can't
even believe it. But I just feel like he's gonna
do it again, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
You know what scares me as much as I think
I'm used to it, Dan Campbell keeps coming up with
new ways to scare me. That's what scares me. I
did not have on side kick with twelve minutes left
in the fourth on my bingo card for the for
this season. But oh, they're it popped up, especially now
with the new rules on the kickoffs, Like you could

(01:23:52):
you could talk me into that with twelve minutes left
under the old the old way, Well, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
The other team's not quite prepared for it. Now you
have to declare that you're on side kicking, so it's
not even the element of surprise.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Right, yeah, and you could. I mean, this one is
not a new fear. This was not a new fear unlocked.
But perhaps he decided to do that because he thought,
you know, statistically, odds are better of us recovering this
on side kick than of our defense stopping the Bills
from scoring another touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
So that's what are the odds of the guy returning
it for a touchdown? Because isn't that what happened? Didn't
Mac Collins return that one for a touchdown? The onside kick,
It wasn't that didn't happen. No, you sure, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
I don't watch those games.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Well it was not. At the same time, the only pouts,
he only pouts. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Although, Paul, I'm curious about the fair catch. What what
do you call it that the Chargers game, Like I
didn't even know that existed in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
So the from fair catch free kick, Yeah, it's a
fairly And I'm not trying to be as like the
amount of people that lost their minds over that, like
it just happened like a couple of years ago. I mean,
they haven't made the kick in a long time. I
think it was like the mid seventies was the last
time someone actually made the kick. But people try it

(01:25:09):
all the time, including Jim Harbaugh. Come on, Harball, he
tried it when he was in San Francisco. The amount
of people that just go crazy on those plays, Like
I always get a huge kick out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Fred's texting me like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
He's he's sending me tweets of other people, like if
these people ever watched football before.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Well, it's just the circumstances to be so it's a
que a unique situation. Yeah, where you're going to be
in a field, you know, in field position to actually
attempt that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
But I mean I had heard of it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
I can't remember the one that happened a couple of
years ago, but I knew that it was a possibility,
Like I didn't know that rule.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
It's like now.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Somewhere in my head, I knew that you could do that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
I did a free kick. I always think as Paul
being like, just so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
You know you could do that. You could do that
on any play. Just do it, like if if you
fair catch, like in the middle of the first quarter,
you can try a free kick after that. Now, obviously
you wouldn't do it unless there was no time left
at you know, at a time, and people were even
messing that part of it up because there was like
the offensive penalty it was an untimed down, I mean,

(01:26:15):
the coverage penalty on time down. That had nothing to
do with it. If there was four seconds left, they
could still do it, you know, like it doesn't have
to be no time left, Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Like you know, oh, I'm sure And if you were
here the entirety.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Of Bill, Like, what's your thinks?

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I can't I can't even imagine what Bill. Bill must
have been so mad that someone else was able to do.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh god, well Jim, Jim Harboss
seems like he was very excited he finally got to do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Let's go to London. Who is in Pittsfield?

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
London? Thanks?

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
I London?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
No, I am London.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
He is London in Pittsfield.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 10 (01:26:57):
Hey guys?

Speaker 23 (01:26:58):
Yeah, you guys were talking about colms, so I just
wanted to like give you something that they belongs with,
you know, the four o'clock games coming up and uh,
you know, uh the Buccaneers and stuff like that. Because
there's a lot of chatter about t Higgins. I just
don't think we're gonna get it done for some reason.
But I'm thinking maybe what what's his name? The injury

(01:27:19):
receiver to the number two?

Speaker 14 (01:27:20):
What is it?

Speaker 23 (01:27:21):
Godwin? Yeah, I feel like that might be the play,
you know, maybe going after te Ted McMillan and then
maybe re re embulating what the Bucks have got, you know,
going on, because there's a whole comp with tet being
like Mike Evans and uh, you know, Mike Evans is
going for that record at the four o'clock game. So
I just wanted to give you guys something like that
to ni belong because I feel like the main objective,

(01:27:43):
if we're not gonna get Higgins, should be going after
those offensive linemen Tray Smith and Cam Robinson. So I mean,
we won't see how good Wolf is as a GM,
you know, like if we do end up getting Higgins,
Like what's it going to take to get him? Like
are we going to trade a draft picks? So I mean,
I just want to give you guys something to live
along with games round up.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Yeah, I think I think it's a little bit intriguing there.
I mean, we've talked about it. T Higgins gonna have
a lot of a lot of suitors. He's the He's
clearly the prime guy who you know we're guessing is
gonna hit free agency. I don't. I don't hate the Godwin.
I don't hate the Godwin.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Moving I do. I don't. I don't want another guy
coming off a town like can we just have it,
like a healthy player who might be able to contribute
like all of OTAs and like into training camp and
not have to try to see if we can, like
you know, circumvent paying the money that it's costs to
get a good player and see if we you know
that's Red Sox, that the Red Sox do that all
the time. They just did it again on Friday with

(01:28:37):
that Patrick Sandoval. Stop like going after Tommy John surgery
guys and get guys that are actually healthy and ready.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
To play fair enough. I just don't know who the
guys are. I don't know who, but if it's nothigans,
who I mean, Hollywood brown, A Cooper, Rondelle Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I would rather have any of those guys than Chris
god who's not going to be able to play when
you need him to play. Like so, I don't care
how good or bad those guys are compared to Chris Godwin.
They'll be on the field so they'll at least have
a chance to contribute when the season starts. I don't
really envision god wouldn't being ready at the start of

(01:29:15):
the season like Kendrick Bown this year.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
The greatest ability which is availability.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
And I just wanted to correct my mistake because Mike, really,
Mike expects a lot out of me sure. So the
the on side kick that that last week, that happened
with twelve minutes left in the game, as Hardy points out,
was returned thirty eight yards to the to the Lion five, right,
but so not not return for a touchdown, not a touchdown,

(01:29:41):
just return.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
By Mac Collins to the five.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
You saw how how low I was to disagree with
Paul because he remembers plays that he didn't even see.
And I know you weren't watching that one live, but
I'm like, I don't remember that, But my gut tells
me he's right, because you're never wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
That's got to be your default.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
And just to just to clarify the whole Chris Godwin thing,
If Chris god when we're healthy, I'd be one thousand
percent on board with, you know. And so if you're
telling me he's going to be ready to go by
like training camp, not the first reguacy, but he can
have a full training camp, I'm on board with Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
He's a he's a good solid option. Right with t Higgins.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I'd rather have Higgins, but I'll take god When if
he's ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
But why why, why what's the rush?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Because Kendrick Boyne gave you nothing this year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Well, but that's what you hate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
But that's receivers coming off twenty acls. That's what they're
going to give. They're gonna miss half the year and
be a shell of themselves for the rest of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
But it's like even.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Welker didn't have a Oh no, Chris Godwin.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
I mean, I'm saying Chris god No, I know, but
two three years, if you lose the first six months
of a three year deal, the guy can still Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I don't I don't know if I'm I don't know
if I can expect Chris god want to be around
in three years. A lot of injuries, there, a lot
of wear and tear.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
Well, he's just I'm just what interests me is you
seem like you're really hell bent on getting out of
the gate. Well next year is that is that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Well, not necessarily like getting out of again. I just
want him to be available, like yeah, and that part
of it is, yeah, you kind of did, Like you're right,
Like I do think the start next year is going
to be important because they're going to be those coaches
are going to be on the hot seat to start
the season, and you need to have some success, and
you need to give Drake may someone that he can
work with, so he's not gonna be able to work

(01:31:20):
with him more than likely now if I'm wrong and
he's going to be healthy and you can get like
a full training camp out of him. All But because
Chris Godwin's a good player, I just want to make
sure people don't think that I'm like comparing born in
Godwin players because god Win's much better than born No.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
I mean, I understand the point of wanting to get
guys right in with Drake and I just the thing
I'm struggling with is there just isn't after everyone's gonna
just say what about T Higgins? What about T Higgins?
Like what if T Higgins just resigns with the Bengals,
you know you're gonna have to sign somebody that probably
a good chunk of the fan base is gonna be like, Eh,
he's too old, or you know he's coming heard, or
there's gonna be every single other guy on there, like

(01:31:57):
Amari Cooper, which you know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
I be open to that one too, Now, that one
I would take.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Yeah, if I can't get T Higgins, I'd be very
much interested in in Amari Cooper. Well, I think that'd
be a good kind of veteran receiver to put with
with Drake.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
I'm just glad that the conversation about wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Three year difference too, between t Higgins and Godwin. Okay, six, yeah, okay,
that's real.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
I'm just glad the conversations focused on trades and free
agent acquisitions because in the draft, the Patriots need to
get tackle, thank you. Just so we're all on the
same page.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
They need everything, I mean, they really, what do they
need first?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
What I would want first in a perfect world is
a left tackle, thank you, That's all. But unfortunately the
world the a I'm perfect, and there's no left tackle
worthy of taken it in the top five. That that
kid from LSU's got short arms, so what and a
lot of people think he's a guard.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Put yeah, put big gloves on him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
You know you can extend the big gloves. But you
know me well enough to know that I have absolutely
no research on the draft. Oh no, you know that
I'm the offensive line, especially in the words of Michael Felger,
do the do O line talk on your own time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
But I look at the old line and I know, oh,
he's only going to be a really good guard. Okay,
we'll take him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
We'll take him.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
I mean, the caller mentioned Cam Robinson as a potential,
and I think, if I'm not mistaken, believe Ronnie Staley's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Meean you mean, those kinds of guys you can sign.
Why do you want to do that, Mike, you didn't
want like you didn't think Joana William's not you. I'm
not talking to you personally if you'l attacked like you know,
that's a bad teams to Mike. They draft these these
these they signed these guys. They are not that good. Absolutely,
absolutely be interesting in Cam Robinson. If I can't get
a stud that I know, I'm gonna plug in day one.

(01:33:44):
Like old Fashanu for the Jets. Was a top ten
pick and he's been really good for them. He's got
some penalties once in a while, but he's been really
good for the Jets. He didn't start week one. He
wasn't ready to just like plug and play. Even when
you get the blue Chipper, he's not always like just
put him in. Oh wow, big fumble by Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow on a third and goal play. That's not good,

(01:34:06):
not a good turnover there. So it's it's hard to
just plug and play a left tackle and I get that,
so why not cover your bases? And then what's the
you know is if Cam Robinson, if you don't have
to play him, so what then you don't have to
play him?

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Oh jeez, I mean I can't even imagine having that problem.
But to come out of free agency with at least
one of those tackle spots where you're like, we have
an NFL starter this spot, hopefully on the left side.
But I think it's a huge, huge need.

Speaker 13 (01:34:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Kendall is in North Carolina. Oh so is Eldred. Two
calls from North Carolina and North Caroldred, you've been holding longer, Eldred.
I always want to talk to you anyway, you and Kendall,
but Eldred especially.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
What's up, buddy?

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
What's up?

Speaker 24 (01:34:48):
Mister Hardy? Long time to hear it from.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
It's great to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
What's up, big ee?

Speaker 11 (01:34:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:34:56):
What's up?

Speaker 24 (01:34:56):
Paul?

Speaker 11 (01:34:56):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (01:34:57):
Y'all have again one name like I want him into nineteen,
but we gotta confound Harry dk Metcalf. I'll do money
at him and go get him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Yeah, well, you got a trade for.

Speaker 11 (01:35:07):
Him, keep it.

Speaker 24 (01:35:08):
I don't give it done.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
So now you got to give up. Now you got
to give up draft picks and money like that's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 24 (01:35:16):
Give up a one. You probably give up a two, yeah,
you know, or maybe give up a two for him, Yes, yes, yes,
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Okay, So now you don't have.

Speaker 24 (01:35:25):
The receiver, you still got to one and try to
found attack.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
You know who just caught that pass with the cardinal. Oh,
I'm sorry that we got bread zone. We got bread zone, everybody,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, I I don't think that's a I
don't think that's a bad plan. So that's when you
want to know the over the top aggressive Andy Hart
plan that you know, Andy and I talked about on
his uh his lame podcast, that I had to do
Micah Micah Parsons and DK Metcalf in trades. So he

(01:35:57):
just wants to like forfeit all the draft everybody, Yeah, trade.

Speaker 24 (01:36:00):
You a going nowhere?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Get rid of him. I agree, I agree, And I
do think to your point, Biggie, I do think there's
a chance that DK Metcalf will be available. I think
he could probably be had for the right price.

Speaker 24 (01:36:16):
Yeah, big with this. The nanty dam't breaking up the trio.
I don't feel I don't know break.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
I would keep it together if I would them, but
I don't know if they'll be able to because they're
gonna have to pay Chase to.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Elijah Moore, right, damn, Mike, I'll take him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Eldred.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Good talking to you, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Thanks for checking the dirty pants with the white today.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
Indeed, indeed, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Yes, the Patriots in their depression era orphanage.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Thank you, thank you. I'm the only one I get
paid fun of every week. The pants are dirty, the
gray pants with the word.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
I don't think Drake looks that cold. I'm pretty impressed.
Initial impression. Drake may freezing cold. Doesn't look that coold,
doesn't look doesn't have the scuba hood on, and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
He just like he does not have the mac Jones look. No,
but he is putting those hands right in the pouch.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
After every throw.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
I'd rather he do that than be wearing that skull
of hoodie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
I'm like, Brady, Yeah, what he doing that? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Exactly right?

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
It looks ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
He wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Kind of like a man in his reposition can't afford
to be made to look ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
I might be misremembering this. I'm sure you guys will
have it. But remember in splash, Yeah, of course with
going to the island, and he just looks ridiculous like
that's I don't know, back memories.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Let's pee down his air holes.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Kendall in North Carolina, Hello Kendall.

Speaker 10 (01:37:45):
Hey, Hey, how you guys doing?

Speaker 24 (01:37:46):
Hey good?

Speaker 10 (01:37:49):
My question is for Paul, But you know you all
y'all can stare chime man. I would like to have
all your opinions too.

Speaker 5 (01:37:55):
Now I'm gonna take a power I will take a break,
let a smoke break.

Speaker 10 (01:37:58):
But I like the wide receiver position. What wide receiver
you think? O? The roster currently going into next year
is like automately guaranteed the spot and number.

Speaker 15 (01:38:08):
Two with Pop?

Speaker 10 (01:38:09):
Does do y'all think we could? I mean, what y'all
think he's stilling it? You think we can do better
than him? I like Pop, But do y'all think we
could do better than him? Because I think he's like
a three maybe maybe a high too, But I said
three four he could do better than him?

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Yeah, I think you could do better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
And in terms of who is definitely going to be
on the roster next year. I would say, I don't
have anybody, can I tak probably well, I mean, you're
gonna ask me who I think will be around. Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think they'll get rid of
like Jalen Polk now. But that's a good call.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
I mean, I agree with the Brookie thing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
But I don't have anybody that I'm going to tell
you right now is definitely on the team next year.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I would in that room, I would say Douglas. I
would say Douglas. I mean, and I agree with what
Paul said.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Again, I think they knew, and you're asking me if
I think I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
He can get open, and he's got quickness, he's got traits.
Is he perfect? No, But I think with a couple
of players above him that are really moving the needle,
that he could be even more effective. So you can
only fill so many holes, there's so much to do.
You look at Pop Douglas as your slot receiver. I'm
fine with him for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
So this is where Mike and I are like luckstep
because if you get a couple of guys that are
above him, now, he can be that gadget guy is
like the complimentary piece.

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Fine, yeah, fine, I mean I don't think he's tanked
l I mean, you know when I take Dell is Okay,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Have that explosive, you know, I know everybody wants him
to be that Tyreek Hill Dollis Door Tyreek Hill. I mean,
he does not have that kind of explosives to his game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Twitch email here from Brendan Clinton, Great, dorch Dorge.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
That's what he is, free agent. I think put him
on the list. Right, we're scorching him with door.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Well, the doorge Dorchman.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
Wait, what was the other one you have from Jacksonville?
Was that other receiver that you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
What's with you? In the weird Cooper.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Got away with this? They think they solved that though
didn't they.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
There's a pretty good chance.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
The History Channel has like and does new evidence proved
d B. Cooper.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
There's a couple of really good stuff time.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Don't you guys have conversations. I don't even know what
was going on.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
You don't know who DBI Cooper is. Oh my god, guy.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
It's not the guy in what's the topic? What's the
what's that? What's that? Cooper?

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
dB Sweeney that's d B.

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
Sweeney. This is dB Cooper, the alleged.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Jack hijacker, and he jumped out of a seven forty
seven or something crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Oh, I know the story.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
I just did never to be found again.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Yes, now I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 14 (01:40:41):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
I didn't know the name Brandon Clinton. Mass says, I
would like to see AVP take chances early and off,
and conservative play calling needs to go over the rest
of the season. Play actually be bigger part of the game.
AVP needs to risk turn. Here's something I would not
one that agrees with me. Here was something I would
wish for if we could go back in time, and
that is just being more aggressive in the play calling

(01:41:02):
and the overall philosophy of the team. From let's go
back to week three. All right, you gotta win in
week one. Maybe water found its level a little bit
in week two. Right then from the jump, take a
little bit of the Dan Campbell philosophy. Say, you know what,
We're just gonna be nuts. We're gonna be crazy crazy,
We're gonna go it on fourth down when we shouldn't.
We're gonna do all this stuff and have that as

(01:41:26):
part of your mentality and part of your identity going
forward for the rest of the season, because now we
can all go back and we can find certain plays
in certain circumstances where it would have been nice had
they been more aggressive. Just be that way all the time.
In hindsight, what did you have to lose? And it
would have been a fun way to watch this team
and see them build a bit of an identity and

(01:41:47):
then when you do get better with some new personnel
and some changes and some additions and whatever for next year.
Now you got a little bit of this crazy built
in too, and it makes them and it makes them
a more dangerous football team.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
We're crazy, We'll do anything. We don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Outside of Drake may of the furthest thing from dangerous
right now, it would be it would be fun to
have that as part of your DNA, But it's too
late now.

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
So I'm feeling a little dangerous today. It's this Christmas week.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Oh, yes, that you feel dangerous during Christmas?

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
It's crazy and weirdo he is? It really is below
you know what's meant for stalking shopping by the way, He's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Great, He's a great fella, but he is Yeah, great,
felt to.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
Be a little crazy to survive, you sent.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Me sometimes and he has these like crazy eyes going.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
You know what I did last year at five below
and I thought this was a really I went and
bought a total of five gifts at five below and
I put them in a I did the Yankee swap,
shopping for the entire family, for the four of us
and my mother in law. I said, we're all, you know,
gonna just you know, you pick a gift and we're

(01:42:58):
going to do it. And they could not have been
less interested in my five below Yankee swap.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
So, you know what, just like the Christmas No, no,
there were great gifts, just like the Christmas lights this
year where Blondie told me she thought there were two
different color whites in the different lights that I had
out there's somewhere l.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
A led a temperature guest.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Yeah, So she wanted a maybe to hire somebody to
come do lights this year. I said, why don't you
just tell me you were leaving me and the kids
for the mailman while you're at it and be oh,
you don't like my light design after all these years,
Well now you don't get anything.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
I got it with that hurt extra if you left
like for the mailman, because I'm sure that you like
around the first name basis with.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Well number one. Stevie would not do that to me
or their family.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
But I knew it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
I gotta quit Christmas light story this year, so I
take them all out. You know, every year it's an
adventure which ones are gonna work, which ones aren't. I
left with like three strings, two white, one with the colors,
which I like the color personally, Like what am I
gonna do? I don't have enough to do the whole
front of the house, so I'm just gonna wrap them
around the tree. And I went like, you know, tight
wrap white and then our tree split. So I did
white up the first one, then colors to one side
and way to the other right, and I'm like, right,

(01:44:10):
it looks fine. And they told my wife, you know,
and she loves Christmas lights, and she was like, so
they're just gonna they're gonna have the two colors there,
They're just gonna split up at the I was like, yeah,
that that all right. Sorry. She didn't care for my choice.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
As somebody who has a bit of an art you know,
artistic side to him, I'm surprised you made.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
That choice color like color on the bottom and then
white up. Probably that's probably what I should.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
Either colored lights or especially on one tree. Yeah, you
had whites and one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
At the risk of bringing this back to the you know,
the game, you know briefly, which came just seeing some
of the shots of the just saw a click of
Javon Baker, who I thought was interesting that Mike Reese
this morning had sort of a tweet that seemed to
indicate that maybe you'll see a little bit of him
today instead of jail and Pulk sort of surmised that

(01:45:10):
that might be a possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
And then we saw a shot of Alex Erickson.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I get that right, Alex Erickson, Yeah, who I would
assume will be returning punts today with no if Marcus
Jones available A good point, good point by you. But
he's wearing number fourteen. Steve Steve Grogan, so Ericson's been around.
He's a veteran of eight or nine seasons. Cincinnati, Carolina, Yeah, Washington,

(01:45:40):
he's been around for a while. Despite the fact that
one local paper called him an interesting prospect this morning
at thirty two year old prospect, how about that, it's
quite a quite a feet if he could pull it off.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
Matt, Just just to clarify, we are not taking another break, okay,
all right, because they were too less down the sheet.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I looked at my prep.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Okay, that's the fake break.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
I throw in the extra in case somebody needs a peek.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
Oh okay, all right, Well there's none of that here,
so instead, let's get to this Sunday six pack.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Here, it's time for this week's edition of over unders.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
For that, let's get to the overs and the unders,
and we will find out who's been doing what this season.
In the over unders, let me take a look here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Oh oh my, how about this?

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Hi? You want to you want to rattle them off here,
Marie Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
So last week everybody went four and two on the season.
You got Paul fifty five twenty nine on jocks forty
nine to thirty five, and Mike forty seven thirty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
This is the contest. It is the race for second
place between Mike and Matt.

Speaker 7 (01:46:51):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:46:52):
Interesting, Okay, Paul's gotta feel for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I haven't in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
I have Matt's over unders here, so I will not
be participating. I will just be giving his answers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Okay, I'm free to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Give judgment on his answers.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Oh, h absolutely arts two four and a half. Drake
May passing yards two oh four and a half, Paul,
we start with you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
I will take the over on that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
That believe the Patriots will need to score some points today.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
Yeah, I'll throw the over on that too.

Speaker 8 (01:47:16):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Let it let drink, let it rip.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Make it unanimous. Matt also going over.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Josh Allen passing yards to thirty seven and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
Start with deuce.

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
It's amazing. I have a host that knows how this works.

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
The interim hosts really struggles with that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
It's a rotation. Do you ever play snake in Fantasy? No,
you know what, I'm gonna go. H he's the MVP.
I gotta go over, even if I don't think he's
gonna have to throw for a lot of yards today,
But I'm gonna go over just he's too good.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
No, Socks agrees with you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
He is also going over, and I'm gonna take the
under because I think if you look back at the
yards thrown for in some of these games, that they're
scoring a ton of points, it's not always as high
as you think. Yeah, a lot of running balanced.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Drake may pass attempts thirty one and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Thirty one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
It does sound high ish, definitely sounds high too. Mad
He is going under. I'm gonna take the over on that.

Speaker 11 (01:48:18):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
I think they're gonna need to score some points.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
Action.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Love the action.

Speaker 5 (01:48:22):
I'm gonna go over on that one too.

Speaker 24 (01:48:23):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
A lot of chucks, a lot of acts.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Chucking, Khalil shake here receiving yards fifty four and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Fall back to you interesting, uh oh, fifty four and
a half. I'm gonna take the over on that. I
think Shakira is developing nicely.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna take the over two. Although, uh,
you know, I wonder which is Marcus Jones out? Maybe
maybe the Patriots Y's gonzo on him a little bit
in key spots. But I'll go over for skre.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
A lot of overs this week. Matt also going over
on the Shakira.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Mike swings up a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I'll feel awfully different about that if I find out
that Gonzalez is covering him. I don't think that you will. Wow.
Good little comeback care by the Titans getting within a
score here thirty eight thirty it's still two to fifty
three left.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Well, Rudolph the week Christmas, I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
Say it was thirty eight to seven at one point
in this game.

Speaker 5 (01:49:08):
It's leading the sleigh through the night.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
Ramandre Stevenson rushing yards forty seven and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Dude, what do you got? Ah?

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
You know what? I think it's gonna be a game
where he does not go that high. So I'm gonna
go under on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
For whatever reason, no action out of no socks on
this He's also going under.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
I'll take the over.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Bill's struggle stopping the run.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
Total score six and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
I don't know what Matt's actual score prediction is, but
in terms of the total, he is going over.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Paul, I am going over as well.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
I'll go wonder make it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
Action is the juice?

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Just give me the juice?

Speaker 17 (01:49:48):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
Well, I like it the juice.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Well done.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Let's go to Joel in San Antonio here, let's see
what he has to say about today's game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Is the Patriots visit the Bills? Go ahead?

Speaker 25 (01:49:55):
Joel, Hey, guys, first of all, Merry Christmas. Good to
hear from you.

Speaker 13 (01:50:00):
Hardy again.

Speaker 25 (01:50:02):
I want to go and ask a question.

Speaker 24 (01:50:05):
Nothing about what's been.

Speaker 25 (01:50:07):
Said about the past. There's nothing much to say. We
all know what's going on and what not, So in
a spirit of curiosity. I'm more of a traditional, old
school kind of guy, and I don't like change that much.
So the question is, how do you guys feel about
the NFL games on Christmas Day when traditionally you have

(01:50:30):
NBA and Christmas New Year's Hockey for the July is baseball,
Thanksgiving its football. So how do you guys feel about
the Christmas Day football games? And go best? That's what
I got.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
Okay, this is good, This is a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I don't care for.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
Number One, I don't I don't mind having something on
TV other than a Christmas story or Christmas vacation, especially
as the kids get older, and especially when they're young.
Christmas is over by ten am exactly, Christmas is done,
and then it's just a lot of weight round and
at some point I would like a football game to watch.
What I do not care for, based on the Tyson

(01:51:12):
Jake Paul fight, is relying on a certain streaming platform
to show me all of the games.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
So is that a concern.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
There's a huge concern even I'm sure I'll have Netflix on, Like,
am I gonna have to worry about that?

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
I think, Well, I don't know if you want to
worry about it. But I mean, did you try and
watch that that fight? I did not, Well, you couldn't
watch it. I couldn't watch it. I ended up watching.
You know how I watched that fight. Antonio Brown was
live streaming it. He was at the fight and he
had it up on his live Instagram and he just

(01:51:48):
pointed his phone at the huge screen that hangs over
the middle of the stadium, and me, along with six
million people, watched the fight that way on my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
So ransom ads or something for Antonio Brown, I know,
the NF services or something.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
The NFL like conversations with Netflix immediately afterward, because they
were thinking the same thing, Oh, you guys are gonna
be able to handle all this, and oh said, sure, sure,
it was a glitch. We fixed the glitch.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
Wasn't there glitch during the Pall fight too? Wasn't that
that was a problem with them as well?

Speaker 15 (01:52:21):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
That was Yeah, that's the whole thing I.

Speaker 5 (01:52:22):
Thought you were talking about last night's the Tyson.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Oh no, no, no, it was Tyson Jake Paul YEA, yeah, yeah,
I thought you were talking.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
I only said it said Tyson, and you thought he
meant I thought, you know what, No, I said, I
said Tyson Jake Paul I hardy, I knew what you
were talking about. But it was And as you know,
I half the time I'm not even watching listening, I'm
watching the Red Sign.

Speaker 5 (01:52:46):
He's mentally logging every game that got played at one
o'clock so we can spit it back out at us
and we'll be like, what when did he see that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Now you know what bugs me to do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
So you guys have a lot in comment with Scott Hanson.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
That's why you don't understand what's going on. He does
a great job.

Speaker 5 (01:52:59):
It's a gift.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
This is what bugs me about the streaming games, whether
it's Amazon or Netflix. On Christmas Day, I like to
bounce back and forth between stuff I like to watch
other stuff. You can't exit out of the app.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
It's like, oh, well, hold out of Well that's my
big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
I would probably be more excited about watching the Christmas
Day games if it was just you know, like I
watched the games yesterday, the Kansas City game, and I
watched the Steelers Ravens game.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
As did I, but because I could watch other stuff too.
Because I'm talking going back and forth to the college games.
If the college games had been remotely competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I probably would have watched more of them, right, But
it just makes it really difficult to do that going
You can't go back and forth.

Speaker 5 (01:53:41):
And it's like they so muchould come up with something
that like brings all the channels into one place and
you can just kind of switch between anything you want
to watch. Yes, like on demand.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
It's called cable.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
Interesting. Interesting. He goes.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Put them all on that bad pick by Kyler Murray
right here down down a field goalie forces one. Yeah,
not a good play.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
I just want to say thank you about Light, by
the way, easy to drink, easy to enjoy, Bud Light,
the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. There
I said it, are we doing the six pack?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
This is the Sunday six pack, So kick back and
listen them up. POSI up getting to getting the pits back.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
You better bring a big sack, get mixed jack win again.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
This is the Sunday sixth bad.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
I have Matt's picks for the Sunday's six pack. But
where do you boys stand on your season long picks
right now?

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Pretty bad?

Speaker 11 (01:54:30):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yeah, we doo terrible in this.

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
This is not good. Although some of us more than others.
I'm the worst, right No, oh no not according to
this stats.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Last week No Socks four and two, Paul three and three,
Mike two and four. On the season, Mike and Paul
forty forty two in two, No Socks thirty nine forty
three intwo.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
So now here's you know, I always you know how
I can't stand to be considered to be get napped,
right Yeah, So here's the the real conundrum with this. Yeah,
we pick every single game with a spread. I am
one twenty five, ninety five and four. Mike is one
twenty three, ninety seven and four. But in these these

(01:55:15):
select six games, we're five hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
You're all, no, you're below full five hundred, you're all
sub five hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
We get so focused on the Patriots game right before
it that we're just we're not thinking straight.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
It happens, all right, We're gonna switch it up a
little bit. Deuce, You're gonna start first in the Sunday
six pack.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Here we go, twelve two Minnesota Vikings at the eight
and six Seattle Seahawks of Minnesota minus two and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:55:35):
Yeah, I usually I picked Seattle at home. I'm going
to Minnesota on the road. Sam Darnold's story continues.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
Madd is also going Minnesota in this first selection.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna make it unanimous. I think the Vikings.
Mikings has been a weird team that just finds a
way to win all the time. They don't always impress,
but twelve and two is a really good record.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
I'll go with the Vikings a good one right here.
Three and eleven Jacksonville Jaguars at the two and twelve
Las Vegas Raiders Vegas minus two and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
Vegas a favorite in this game. Have they won in
at home so far this year?

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
It's a good question.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
I do not want that they have. Out of their
two wins, I don't think either one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
They wont at Baltimore for one of those two wins.
I don't know if the other one.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Was for some reason madd is picking them and laying
the two and a half points.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
It's a tough choice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
So I'm a little angry that Matt included this game
among the six pack, even though there's only probably six
games have yet to be played. I would have gone
with five just out of pure principle.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
I will take Vegas as well.

Speaker 5 (01:56:37):
I'll go with Jacksonville because I can't pick Mac Jones.
I'm gonna pick Mac.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Can't do it, won't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
Let's do it. Mac on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Six and eight San Francisco forty nine ers at the
six and eight Miami Dolphins, San Francisco minus two.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Pauly Paul, I'll take the Dolphins home.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
Dog box loudest, Yes, I'll take them two. Sounds like
Tyreek's gonna play again.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Make it unanimous. Matt Smith taking the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Hate those Sunday Night Football eight and six Tampa Bay
Buccaneers at the six and eight Dallas Cowboys Tampa minus four.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
Woo, I'm gonna go Tampa Tampa scoring points.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
Speaking of teams that have not won at home, Matt
Smith obviously thinking about that, He's going with the Buccaneers.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the Bucks two.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
That offense has been very productive, all right with They
like third, third or fourth in the league in points scored.
Bakers and as Matt as Fred says, know if the
league is better when Baker.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
Mayfield, I mean, can't we all agree?

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Can we all agree on that? Who says that's that's
the proper face?

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Who says we made the proper face?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Fred, The league's better with Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Baker Mayfield, like the league is better.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
It's like it's like, you know, the league is better
with like you know, Lebron James.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Monday Night Football, the five and nine New Orleans Saints
at the ten and four Green Bay Packers green Bay
minus fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
Oh geez, wow.

Speaker 4 (01:57:57):
Matt Smith not afraid to lay those points, He says, Yeah,
I'll take the pack and lay the fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
I will as well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Wow, if they'll get Molly wopps.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Yeah, I think of three and then the three and
eleven New England Patriots at the eleven and three Buffalo
Bills Buffalo minus fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
That would be you, poly Paul. Oh yeah, I'm gonna
lay the points again. I do have some concerns if
I'm Buffalo about their you know, intensity level, but I'm
gonna lay the points. I just think there's too much
offense Drues.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Yeah, him, too much LA points.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
You guys are dumb. Me and Matt Smith were smot.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
We're wicked smot.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
No socks taking the pats plus fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
Do you know why they call him those socks?

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Hardy? He doesn't wear socks. Yeah, yeah, Oh, he doesn't
wear socks with shoes. He does wear them with sneakers.
What you heard me?

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
He doesn't wear socks with like dress shoves, loafers, No socks.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Was he socks?

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
He's I think he's some kind of nantucket fancy boy.
Maybe is that what he thinks he is?

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
No, I don't know. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Matt is the opposite of that, as you could get.

Speaker 4 (01:59:11):
I do find that to be unhygienic at best and
just kind of gross stinky with up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
That's oh you can't, yeah, you can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:21):
It was my roommate in college. I got to college.
You know, you meet your roommate freshman year, and he
was a, yeah, I just don't wear socks guy, And
I was like, dude, you got to put your shoes
outside of the door room. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
I think I finally shame Zolac into wearing socks because
he never wore socks. I'm like, dude, I can smell
your feet with your shoes on, and I mean it
went on for years. He just smelled and he wouldn't
wear socks, and he finally started wearing socks.

Speaker 5 (01:59:44):
Goold joke recently from Bill O'Brien on Julian Edelman's podcast,
talking about Belichick not wearing socks and at one point
they say, like, is that your feet?

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Bill?

Speaker 13 (01:59:51):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
Yeah, telling elmen to shut up? So that funny.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
Yeah, Oh, they're cutting it up. Bill's out there having
the time of his life. He really did end up
being good at that media thing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Huh, I take it all back. Yeah, he was really
good at us. Yeah, really good. All right.

Speaker 4 (02:00:07):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
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Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
Oh well, hey, listen, this has been fun. I didn't
tell you guys ahead of time. I can't stay for
the postgame, so you guys can take care of all
that on your own and enjoy and at Merry Christmas,
Happy Holidays.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
He doesn't even care. Paul doesn't even care. I'll be
back for the postgame.

Speaker 5 (02:00:40):
I heard you just they're playing our walkoff music.

Speaker 4 (02:00:43):
Huh, we're out of here?

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
Do we have to go?

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
We get a jump? Okay, all right, we'll talk in
the post game.

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