Scott Frost BACK as UCF Head Coach

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
How's it going, guys, Hope you're doing well. Thanks for
tuning into this episode of the film Talk Sports podcast
solo edition coming at you today and a little bit
of an emergency pod. You can see by the title
of the video or on your podcast feed you can
see by the banner underneath me. Hell may not a
froze over, but it's definitely a little frostier there than
it was about a week ago. Somehow Someway Scott Frost

(00:38):
has returned to UCF to become their new head coach,
and it's been about two days since the announcement, two
and a half days since the press conference, which I'm
not usually a press conference guy. I don't usually get
a lot from those. If your team loses, the coach
just says, hey, we gotta do better. Your team wins,
they might have like one or two little anecdotes, but

(01:00):
I don't normally get a lot of information or enjoyment
out of press conferences typically, But this was one that
we had to watch, and more on that in a
little bit here. But first we need to backtrack on
how we got to this situation. Obviously, FOURGN eight this
year not good. Losing to Utah on Senior Night. The
only positive coming out of that is r. J. Harvey

(01:20):
breaking the all time touchdown record, passing Kevin Smith, which
is sparked the debate of Kevin Smith or RJ. Harvey
as the greatest player in UCF history. More on that
another time when I have a co host A quick
note here too. Blake really wanted to be here for this.
We couldn't quite get our schedules organized to do it together,
but do expect to have Blake on again soon and

(01:41):
we will expand on everything I'm going to talk about now.
I just wanted to get something out there because I
got a lot to say, as you can imagine. So
that was the only positive that came out of our
last game of the season this year, ending four and eight.
And there was some rumblings because if you guys watched
the show, we did a funnel exercise. Blake and I
that what if Gus retired, who would you want as

(02:02):
your next head coach? Thinking that was the only way
he wouldn't be our coach next year. I mean, he
was owed twelve million dollars if we let him go.
You guys know the story at this point, But the
news started rumbling around that he was gonna step down voluntarily,
giving us basically off the hook for the twelve million

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and in a move that shocked me anyway, because this
is not a move I expected to happen. He is
now the offensive coordinator at Florida State, and as far
as in state schools go outside of UCF, Florida State
is one that I hope does relatively well if they're
not playing US, you know, I hope they win most
of their games. A lot of friends went to Florida State,

(02:45):
had some of them on the show in the early
years too. Got to go check the early archives of
the podcast. A lot of my friends went to Florida
State that were part of this show. So like, I
do have some love for Florida State. Nowhere near the
level of UCF as you can imagine, but definitely a move.
I don't know that it makes sense for Florida State either.
I mean, who looked at Gus Melson's offensive output, maybe

(03:07):
not his whole tenure, but the last two years or so,
definitely this year, and said that's the guy I want.
It might it makes sense for Gus if that's truly
all he wants to do is call plays doesn't want
to be the general manager of a team. Only wants to,
you know, portal in the guys that he wants and
it might be helpful to he isn't the final decision
maker too. That could be something that benefits Florida State,

(03:29):
like you only take the good. You can say no
to him, whereas in the situation we were in, he's
the head coach who's saying no to the head coach nobody.
So again, more on him when I have Blake go
on later. But so that left us without a coach,
and there was a short list floated around. But when
we did the exercise in the last episode, I mentioned
that if there was a scenario that we needed to

(03:50):
coach in this cycle, I wanted Dj Kinney from Texas State,
former quarterback coach at UCF in twenty twenty one, I
believed or twenty two, one of the two. And there
was a moment there that it looked like that was
gonna happen. I was actually clipping that piece from the
last episode. I was ready to post it. So again
I was gonna feel really smart about everything, right. I

(04:10):
don't mind being wrong about anything. That's one of the
things that I think is important. If you're gonna have
a show that all your takes are out there for
everybody to see. You can't be afraid to be wrong.
And if you are going to be right, you want
it to be for the right reason. Right. So I know,
probably being wrong about that, but I thought it was
cool that the name that I just threw out there
was even relatively in the hunt. And I feel like,

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I don't know how deep it got, but the fact
that Scott Frost is now our coach and I do
mostly want to talk about that. I can't imagine that
was the first choice. Somebody would have had to have
said no at some point, maybe multiple somebodies. And that's
not to discredit Scott and Terry Mahadra, our athletic director,
has also stated like they spoke to a lot of people.

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I mean, we heard Liberty's coach, right, We've heard a
little bit of Memphis. His coach, Barry Odom from UNLV
was it seemed to come down to him at the end.
The offensive coordinator for Penn State, Pat Summerl, has stayed
put Odam has gone to another school. I saw Charlie
Huff listed Marshall's head coach. They just won the conference.
He's off the southern myss now in a very head

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scratching move in my opinion. And then the name Scott
Frost came up and I immediately just shoot it. I
couldn't imagine that was even a possibility. And part of
that is me as a person, right, I hold grudges.
I am in the spectrum of how people love Scott Frost.
If all the way to the right is like wanted

(05:38):
him back immediately, and all the way to the left
is like never want to bring him again, I'm like
closer to that other side. But I've softened a little
bit over the years, but certainly not something I ever
thought i'd have to deal with, really, you know. But
as it turned out, that is what happened, and we
learned some some key information in this press conference that
you know that I watched that I don't normally watch these.

(06:01):
Scott has been closer to the program over the past
two seasons than any of us really thought. There was
whispers of this. He essentially to decode some of what
Terry said, has at least inquired about our offensive coordinator
job twice in as many years. So when I heard that,
I'm like Okay, maybe this isn't as far fetched as

(06:24):
as originally thought, right, Like, and there was that one
interview that came out last year. I think it was
just talking about our national championship season and Scott was
in it. He clearly was just like on his balcony
of his home or something, and he gave like twenty
minute sound clips that they threw throughout it and like
only had positive things to say about UCF and a

(06:45):
guy that's kind of ever since, you know, the whole
Nebraska thing fell through, he's kind of been shrouded in mystery.
We know he works for the Rams, but he's not
a guy that you like see on the sideline or anything.
So he's just kind of been like, you know where
he is. You know, he's working in football. I think
he worked the All American Game too. He was one
of the on that coaching staff for I think last year.
So he's been around football, but he's not in the

(07:05):
public eye the way you are as a head coach
of a D one program. Obviously, when I first heard it,
my you know, grudges were the first thing to come up.
Of course, the way he left, I understand why he left.
Everybody understands why he left. There was the story of
the recruiting database getting erased on his way out, Whether

(07:27):
he did that, whether he instructed someone else to do that,
maybe someone else just did that right. Stuff like that
is always stuck in my craw But when I saw
him at the press conference, it definitely seemed like a
guy that understood what a crazy situation this is. And

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when he interviewed for the offensive coordinator positions, I don't
even know if he interviews the right word when he
inquired about them. The final what came away from that
and I actually got this from a former quarterback, Kyle
Israel put out a video about his thoughts. And Kyle's
always been super nice to me. He's always made time
for me when I've attempted to like reach out him
about stuff, so like shout out to him. But he

(08:09):
basically said that Scott believed that moving to the Big
twelve was gonna there's gonna be growing pains, right. That
seemed pretty obvious, and he didn't want to necessarily be
in that transition coaching staff because if things go wrong,
the coordinators are the first to go to save the coach.
So he's while he was interested, he didn't think it

(08:30):
was the right time, and maybe going into this season,
third year in the Big twelve, maybe he would have
asked again, because you know, two coaching cycles have already
been fired worth of coordinators, so maybe would have fun
a little safe of like, all right, we got to
stick with somebody for a little while here. But then,
you know, it's not the coordinators job that came open.

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It became the head coaching job that he became open.
And it was a really unique situation that you kind
of had money to spend that you didn't think you
would because, like I'll say this about Gus, it's straight
up did not work out here. You know, the first
year was pretty good, beat the Gators all that, right,
and just to steady decline from there. It did not
work out here. But there's something to be said about

(09:11):
a guy that was okay walking away from all that
money and not completely screw over. He didn't leave here
the way he left Auburn. Auburn was not in a
good financial situation when he left. And that's a team
with SEC money, team that's had sec money for decades, right,
So because of that, I do want to give him

(09:31):
a little bit of props he left. I'm a big
self awareness guy. I know what I'm good at, I
know what I'm bad at, I know stuff that I
can't improve on, and I know stuff that that's basically
where I'm going to be in that aspect, right So
the self awareness of maybe I'm not the guy that
could put this program where it could be or should be.
My had if I had a hat on right now,

(09:52):
I would take it off in that aspect, that like
the self awareness to be like, I'm not the guy here.
I respect that a lot, honestly. So there's a lot
of negative to say about Gus's time here. A few
positives sprinkled in, and that's gonna be one of them.
Like you gotta admit when it's time to go, when
it's time to hold him, fold and walk away. And
he walked away, and he walked away in the most

(10:13):
painless way possible. If you saw his you know, it
took a couple of days to come out. That bothered
some people, but it is his like speech on Twitter,
I still call it Twitter. It was it seemed pretty
hard felt. I mean, he spent half of it talking
about the people at Orlando Health because his wife had
some serious health issues. Think last year or twenty twenty two,
and half of it was just about like the community

(10:34):
of Orlando. So that's how you know it wasn't just
a cookie cutter like, hey, thanks for all the you know,
great times and go to Night's charge on that that
whole thing. So with Gus out of the picture, Terry
Mahadger and his staff, you know, expand on a coaching search.
Pat Summerl from Tulane seemed like the number one choice, uh. TJ. Kenny,

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as I mentioned kind of earlier in the video, seemed
like a guy in the running. Jamie Chadwell from Liberty
was talked about that looked really promising there for a
little bit. And you don't know who we walked away from.
You don't know who we said no to. We don't
know who said no to us. As I mentioned, summer
All has got another contract extension. TJ. Kenney got two

(11:21):
contract extensions in like the point of like three months.
They expanded on the extension to keep him there. So
you can imagine those are guys that maybe said thanks,
but no thanks. I think Odum was ready to come here.
It did appear that way right. I liked the wild
card idea of like a Brian Silverfield from Memphis that
seemed like a guy that just runs a tight ship,

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and it could have been something that we were looking for.
And that was only you know, proven when Terry Mahaddra
mentioned like I talked to our players of like what
do they want in a new coach, and a lot
of them the overlying themes was disappointed and structure. So
Silverfield seemed like a guy that would that would embody
those sort of things my opinion. But this caught fire

(12:05):
I think pretty quick. They didn't meet until Friday night.
Apparently somewhere, you know, he left La, our group left Florida.
They met somewhere in the middle. My guess is Indianapolis,
because they were gonna meet with the offensive coordinator of
Penn State. Because I think, what what did tie this
up a little bit is I think Terry eventually knew
where he wanted to go. But he did promise and
give his word that he would hear out these candidates

(12:27):
and he said we'll meet on this day. So he
wasn't going to do it prior to that. So I know,
not everybody is in love with Terry Mahadgra these days.
But like, I like what he does as a businessman.
I like that he keeps his word. Some people thinks
he's a little too emotional at times, Like I don't know,
I kind of I'm a hard on my sleeve kind
of guy too, so I understand where that comes from,
especially in like a high profile position like that. So

(12:50):
Terry's all right by me in my opinion, Like I've
only met him maybe twice, very quickly, so it's not
a matter of like he's done something for me or
you know, anything like that, but a good person, you know,
you want a good person and then you hope they
can fill the role. And the first part is checked
in my opinion, so you know, he's on on this
this job. And I do think because because a lot
of the information was phil with Scott, like we would

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have announced him like four days ago, and that was
my opinion there for a while. And I do think
the only reason that didn't happen is because there was
other opportunities that like, Okay, we said we'll talk to
you after the Big ten Championship, we're gonna we're gonna
uphold that still, So I think that's the only reason
it took longer than it did, which which how you
treat people is gonna matter in the future. It's gonna

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matter to other coordinators in interview hopefully ten years from
now another when another coach comes around, you know, like
it's it's similar to with the recruits, right, like if
they don't pick you, you don't bash him too much
because like the portal's the thing now, they can come
back around. You might still get that player in a
year or two from now. So how you treat, you know, everyone,
is how you treat anyone, in my opinion, So I

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think that was the proper way to handle that. So
that brings us to the press conference. Scott shows up
with his wife and his kids, and you know, Scott
is he's fifty now, which is it's like where is
the time gone? Or it'll be fifty when the season starts.
But a guy that walked in, he understood, he didn't
have to say a whole lot to get like how

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wild this is. He did seem gracious to be back.
One of the first things he said is, you know,
I hope everyone doesn't expect us to go undefeated again
because this is a process. And I think that's true.
And I will say the positives of Scott is low risk,
high reward in the sense of, like it doesn't work out.
We were four and eighth this year. It's not like

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there's very little to go back down. This is it's
very similar to the oh to twelve year, right, Like
if we kick the field goal against FIU it doesn't
yet blocked and we beat Furman and we're two and ten,
is that season any better? Not really, it's just it
looks worse with the goose egg, right. So to there
was some positives. Obviously, the Space game win, the come

(15:03):
back from TCU, there was things to be happy about
this year. RJ. Harvey as a human as a football player, right,
that was a huge positive and we're all looking forward
to seeing him on Sundays now. But the overlying factor
is it's low risk, ky reward with Scott because one
other thing we get with him is something our fan

(15:23):
base hasn't had in a long time, at least a
little bit of patience. I think this is someone that
if we're six and six next year and win a
Bowl or lose a tight one, people will see that
as progress, right, because this is as close to a
ground floor rebuild as you can get without really doing it.
So where do I stand on the Scott thing is

(15:44):
like when all the grudges come up, but when the
guy is standing in front of you and he admits,
you know. I think the quote was when you're trying
to climb the ladder of success, sometimes you need to
stop while you're happy. That spoke a lot, and it
really affirmed a lot of things that we've all known that,
Like he didn't want to go to Nebraska. He felt
obligated to go to Nebraska. His dad wasn't in good

(16:05):
health and was still you know, still with us and
living in Nebraska. We knew all that, but like for
him to really affirm that, like I was never not never,
but he had no real desire to go when he did.
And I think part of the reason, one of the
many reasons he didn't work out in Nebraska, his heart
wasn't truly in it. You're when you're when you only

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feel obligated to do something, you're only gonna do it
so well. And I think that happens to all of
us in our daily lives. Like you still have pride
in your profession and your job, so you're gonna give
it X amount of effort and and stuff. But if
you if you don't love it in a job, that
you have to love it to be successful, Like nobody
just begrudguingly he becomes a great coach. I mean, I
guess Nick Saban kind of did right, because that guy's

(16:46):
never happy. But in general, I don't think his heart
was in it. I thought it was a different level
of stress and you know, just the the true opinion
of everything in the town. And like he left once
before that people didn't love right when he went to
Stanford right out of high school before transferring to Nebraska
in an era that you didn't really transfer. So he's

(17:07):
dealt with that before. He knows what it's like to
have that area, you know, behind you and against you,
and I think he was worried about that happening again.
The way it all went down, the meeting in Philly
during the Temple game, the whole recruiting database deletion that
I talked about already, There's there's bits and pieces that
like if you if you were one hundred percent on,

(17:28):
you just choose to ignore, which I don't think is smart.
I think you need to take everything as a whole
and express it, and a part of me wanted, like
a mic Biyonki to bring it up, like, yeah, I didn't.
I don't think he was gonna do it then, but like,
so what happened there? You're here, you can tell us
the whole story now, right, you're back. What wouldn't have
like And obviously he probably was gonna do that because

(17:49):
he wants to be invited back to more press conferences.
So I feel better about it than I ever thought
I would because I went. I never thought it would happen, right.
I think the overall positive is it gives our fan
base some patience or it forces him to have some
patients because this next year is going to be really

(18:10):
interesting on who our quarterback is going to be. He mentioned,
he said all the right things. He won the press conference.
In my opinion, he mentioned that like, I'd rather use
resources to keep kids to stay here and go out
and get a new team every year. Slight jab at
like a Gus what Gus has done in the past
two years, I think, But that's that's everybody lately, right,
everybody but Dabo Sweeney basically reloads their entire team and

(18:33):
there's already offers to guys in the portal. There's like
a receiver from North Texas that he's our first Scott
Frost transfer portal offer hasn't picked us yet or anything,
but so he's gonna play the portal game, especially this year. Right,
there are going to be holes that need to be filled.
But the big thing with Scott, and it's been said
by like former players, Kylie has Reel mentioned it, Mark

(18:55):
Daniels might Bianci mentioned on their show, it's the culture.
And you can't deny that for two thirds of a year,
or all of twenty sixteen and two thirds of twenty seventeen,
the culture was at an all time highs to the
point that when Hypel came here twenty eighteen, the culture stuck.

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Eighteen it only or nineteen it only barely started a wane,
and then COVID kind of shook everybody, so like things
could have been a little better if not for that year.
And then of course Hypel leaves and Mel's on comes in,
and the same way that people used to talk negative
about Hypel, the thing that I made the decision I
will never talk negatively about Josh Hippel. When Otis Anderson

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passed away and he immediately left Knoxville to speak at
his service at our Field. So that was a situation
where we're like, all right, he left, I get it,
but he had no true ties here. You know, he
was an sec guy from the get go, coming from
Missouri and everything. But like seeing him drop everything to
go to Otis's service was like, all right, I'm not

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gonna say anything negative about that. And that's the way
I kind of want to go about this. I want
to be firm but fair moving forward with Scott. I
think that's going to be easier to do than maybe
in the past, like because I have the bias for UCF,
but I have a little bit of like we need
to point out when this guy messes up because of
what he did to us in the past. And like
I said, Scott'll be fifty when the season starts. So

(20:23):
he got a five year contract. If he sees a
second contract, and I don't mean two years in he
gets an extension, I mean if he sees a sixth year. Here,
there had to have been some level of success and
at least stability if nothing else. And is that stability
eight and four seasons with the occasional nine to ten
win seasons. I'm the type of fan that would be

(20:43):
happy about that because I grew up with UCF not
you know, seven was the first conference championship, and then
in twenty ten when I graduated high school, winning a
conference and beating an SEC team in a bowl game,
beating Georgia and the Liberty Ball. I almost never thought
it'd be better than that. That was gonna be the
season we always talked about. Then I Festival happens and

(21:04):
I'll like, clearly, it'll never get any better than that,
And then seventeen happens, and a large part of eighteen
was the same way. Obviously, the McKenzie Milton injury, that's
a whole nother discussion too. With Mackenzie Milton. Should they
bring him back on the coaching staff. It'd be great
to see, of course, Like I don't think anyone would
not want to see it, But people that are calling

(21:24):
for him to be the OC I think it's a
bit much. I don't know how much in his coaching journey. Granted,
he's with a great offensive mind with Josh Heipel. He's
in an SEC locker room with SEC coaches at Tennessee.
They're gearing up for a college football playoff game. That's
valuable experience that he would bring anywhere. But the people
that are like KZ offensive coordinator, Shaqem Griffin defensive coordinator,

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if they don't have the experience as a coach, it's
not a great move. Now, I think Caz as a
quarterback coach is a more than fair place to start him,
or just an offensive analyst similar to what Scott was
doing at at the Rams recently. I think that's a
fair place to start. And that is in no way
saying like, don't give this guy the world like he

(22:08):
did a lot for us. He's someone that his reason
for leaving you can put more on Dylan Gabriel than
him leaving. He didn't want to be the shadow over Dylan,
which he was for a long time, even growing up
and playing in Hawaii and everything, so he left. He
gave the keys to Dylan, and then Dylan left, so
that I think harpard their friendship for a while. I

(22:28):
feel like it's relatively you know, back to normal now
and Dylan Gabriel, in his like sixth seventh year in
college football, is gearing up for a college football playoff
as a number one seed, so it'll be interested to
see how that goes, but I would love to see
KZ back. I think offensive coordinator is a bit of
a stretch, and that is in no way a hate
I would much rather see him as an offensive analyst

(22:50):
as a quarterback coach. Sean Beckton is the only really
confirmed guy on this coaching staff. Herb hand, our offensive
line coach who I really liked and was good at
recruiting and even better at developing, is off to Florida
State with Gus. I find it interesting that people coaches
would follow Gus anywhere given the past two years. I

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don't understand players that would, you know, join him, like
people mentioned like Thomas Costianos leaven Boston College could go
to Florida State like he left because he wanted to
get away from Gus. I can't imagine wanting to go
back to Gus, but it might happen some of these
Some of these guys are only at UCF because of GUS,
so I could see them moving. But it's not been

(23:34):
a great two years, which would be a lot of
these guys were in that timeframe, so it'd be really
shocking to me if how many of them follow Gus,
how many coaches follow gus, but if if that's your guy,
that's your guy. I guess right. So that'll be interesting
to see as the coaching staff take shape. Our pool
of money for off for coordinators in general is pretty

(23:57):
competitive within our conference nowadays, so that's going to be
Scott is, you know, wiser now than he was then.
I think. I think it's hard to not improve off
of the culture and the vibes alone. So going into
this year, me and Blake mentioned like an eight to
ten win season seem probable. Even with all the craft

(24:19):
that happened this year, we are like three plays away
from seven wins instead of four, So we are not
as far off as one would think, but we are
far we are off right, so I would be interested
to see. I'll have more of an opinion, and when
Blake comes back, we have more of an opinion because
by then I think we'll have heard at least a
handful of hires in the oci mate and got a

(24:41):
few guys in the portal. This team will start to
take shape. Based on what I see on Twitter, like
dealing Risk seems happy, looks like he's gonna stay. I
don't know about like Corey Brown and other people. A
few guys have already chosen to transfer out. We'll see
what who stays, who doesn't. We'll know more about this
roster move forward. But as far as Scott goes, maybe

(25:03):
it only works here, right We mentioned when he went
to Nebraskan didn't work. It's not always Thegresses, no as
Green or it's Green rewater it. UCF did okay without
him until Gus steadily declined it. Scolf Frost didn't do
good at all outside of UCF. But maybe that neither
of those matter, and maybe the combination of the two
is what truly makes the success. And I'm willing to

(25:26):
wait and see on that. I don't plan to be
overly negative about Scott. I do plan to be harsh
when necessary, but I don't plan to be overly harsh
when all that comes around. So it's gonna be a
really interesting take here for a long time. Obviously, this
offseason is gonna feel like forever because a lot of us,
some of us at least, have checked out of the season.

(25:49):
Probably they came back in for the Space game, right
and then back to the other stuff. So this is
gonna feel like the longest offseason ever. Obviously, we will
have college basketball to give us a little hand. I'm
really looking forward to college baseball this year. But that's
just me. But the Scott Frost era is back, and
we better buckle up because it's gonna be an adventure

(26:10):
one way or the other. I find it very hard
to believe this won't be a net positive. It's a
matter of how much of a positive it'll be. But
I felt like I needed to come on because I
had the opinion of not overly positive about everything. You know,
you can forget the past, you can't forget the past.

(26:31):
I felt like he did a good job at the
press conference, like acknowledging all of that. He didn't sweep
it under the rug, he didn't downplay it. I think
other people would have. I think it's really rare for
a coach to come back like this in a relatively
short amount of time. But it might happen, like rich
Rodriguez might go back to West Virginia. That's in the
whispers now, so like maybe it's gonna be a more
common thing than previously previously thought of. But I don't know.

(26:57):
It's exciting, it's terrifying. It gives you a weird pit
in your stomach because you spent I spent a lot
of years rooting against Scott because I was I was
one of those fans. I didn't want Nebraska to do well.
I didn't necessarily want to see him get fired, but
I guess if you don't do well, that's ultimately gonna happen.
I mean, I have past episodes on here of when

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it looked like it was gonna happen, when he lost
the game in Ireland. When he did get fired, I
think that was the last episode I got to record
before my house food and I didn't, you know, for
like a whole football season. Basically, he didn't get to
make episodes. One of my last takes was, you know,
the situation was Scott Frost. So it's all out there,
it's all documented. I stand by my words. I don't
care about being right. I care about getting it right.

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Quote from Colin Coward one of the few things you
can quote that guy for. But we will see moving forward.
I wanted to get something out here again. Blake really
wanted to be here, hopefully in the next week or two,
maybe even after Christmas at this rate, because let's be honest,
the holidays are crazy. That's when we will expand more
on the Scott Frost things. As far as the channel
looking ahead, I do have a few more movie reviews

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in the works, one with Hank, another Adam Sandlor movie.
Just gonna leave that hint there. You guys can decide
what you think the next one will be. And then
on top of that, Nick, we plan to come back
next week to talk college football, playoff bowl games and
all that great stuff. Sam, it's gonna do it for me.
A quicker episode than usual, but I just wanted to
get some thoughts out. I appreciate you guys listening, and

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I hope everyone has great holidays. Got more episodes in
the work, so hope you watch those go nights, Charge
on and happy holidays. See you next time.