July 28, 2024 • 33 mins
Eric interviews Sabrina Stratford, a former global business manager who left her corporate career to fight human trafficking in Alaska. Sabrina shares her personal experiences that led to this dramatic career change, including childhood trauma and a growing awareness of trafficking issues. Sabrina provides insights into the realities of sex trafficking, the connection between pornography and exploitation, and the emerging threats posed by artificial intelligence in this realm.
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- Sabrina Stratford's transition from corporate IT to anti-human trafficking work in Alaska
- The connection between pornography and sex trafficking, including child exploitation
- Real-life experiences and challenges in combating sex trafficking in Anchorage
- The emotional and psychological impact of working in anti-trafficking efforts
- The role of artificial intelligence in facilitating and combating human trafficking
- "There is no little girl on this planet that grew up saying, I want to be in pornography when I grow up."
- "If you're watching pornography of any kind, just understand. You are contributing to child sexual abuse material and child sex trafficking. 100%. It's been proven."
- "Every day I had to lift that burden and just give it to Christ and let him carry it because I'm like, this is too much. I can't, but then once I prayed through it and could do that every day."
- "Artificial intelligence is defining our reality, right? I mean, it's, it's defining the movies. We watch the content we read, it's defining our new reality. And what's scary about that is obviously it can be used for powerful good, or it can be used for our demise."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And so if you're watching pornography of any kind, just
understand you are contributing to child sexual abuse material and
child sex trafficking. It's been proven.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I can show you the research.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Take control, control of your life, break the change in.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Ris normal, feeling powerless, normal, shame, and take your power.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Break out of the pain.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Because it's more than fortication, more than procreation.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's not just self stimulation.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Sex senergy is for creation, transformation.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And so a destination.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
This is poorn talk.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Pawns, send your life from the dons of life.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
This is porn talk. Get empowered. Right now, we have
an incredible guest with us today. Her name is Sabrina Stratford,
and for twenty five years she's forged powerful partnerships as
(01:43):
a global business manager in the world of it. But
then she made a courageous decision to leave it all
behind and take a stand against the harrowing reality of
sex trafficking right at the heart of it in Alaska. Today,
Sabrina is not just an abolitionist, but a beacon of hope,
(02:07):
a tetech speaker, and an unwavering advocate for the Human
Trafficking Hotline. Her boots on the ground experiences fuels her
mission to inform and shape corporate responsibility plans, creating a
ripple effect of change that resonates the worldwide. Welcome Sabrina
(02:28):
Stratford welcomes to Sabrina.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Thank you, Eric, I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, so what's your story? How do you go from
being in the corporate world to boots on the ground
fighting human trafficking?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, you know, career changes. It happened I think because
of COVID. I mean, certainly there's a lot of history
behind why it happened, but when it happened, it was
you know, we went into twenty twenty sitting in our
living rooms and I was no longer able to travel
(03:07):
the globe to do my job, and so I was
just talking to people all day, and I had lots
of time with myself, I'm sure like most of us did,
saying is this really what I want to be doing
with my life? Am I making the biggest impact that
I can? And I started asking myself these questions, and
just at that time, I met a woman who was
(03:29):
working for an NGO called Love Justice International, and they
fight human trafficking with a protocol called Transit monitoring. What'sng
a non government organization? Okay, so SELFF you know, they
raise their own funding to make an impact and they
(03:50):
do transit monitoring. So but they have been doing it internationally.
So just think of people getting off of a train
or a bus in India or in the Philippines. Those
people become big, big targets of traffickers. And so they've
made a worldwide impact in those areas. And they had
this idea that they wanted to bring that project and
(04:12):
that protocol to the United States. And so that's when
I learned of this organization, and as they were talking
through what they wanted to do, I just got struck
with the invitation. And like within two weeks of talking
to them, I had quit my career, put my home
up for lease, loaded up my car, and I thought
(04:34):
I was going to be going to like New York
or California or something, and sadly that the problem is
so big and Alaska. I ended up in Anchorage, Alaska
fighting human trafficking.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Wow. Wow, well that's certainly a bold courageous move. But
let's take it back a little, like what things resonate
with you, like closer to home, Like what experiences did
(05:05):
you have. I know you had some things happen when
you were very young in regard to porn and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, you know, it was I was thinking about the
first time that I'd actually heard the term human trafficking,
and I believe it was in about twenty sixteen. I
went to a fundraiser, and I know we all have
ideas about what human trafficking is, whether it comes from
a movie like Sound of Freedom, which is definitely accurate
but not what's happening in the United States, or whether
(05:35):
it comes from a movie like taking. You know, when
you think of Land Nisan going after somebody, or a
van pulling up and taking somebody, and while that does happen,
that's not what's really happening in the United States. But
this person on the stage in twenty sixteen talked about
being trafficked by a family member and how many times
a day she got right, And of course that stuck
(05:57):
with me. That you know, that really stuck with me.
And I was just constantly thinking about human trafficking and
doing research, but obviously didn't take any action to twenty twenty.
It wasn't eric until I got into Alaska and hearing
the stories from the women, and then actually going to
work with the Alaska Department of Safety and the Sex
(06:19):
Offender Registry when I was reading over their case files.
That was my job every day to read over these
case files and make determinations of what people were going
to do to register to come in the state of Alaska.
So I'm reading over these files and you know, I
don't know all of the psychological terms, but being triggered
or repressed stories, you know, our stories in my own
(06:42):
life that I had framed differently. It all bubbled up
and I figured out that, you know, the first time
this really hit me. I mean I was probably in
like third grade, and I had a girlfriend who was
a few years older than me, and she was mentally challenged.
We lived out in the country and the Panhandle of Texas,
and we got to go everywhere and do everything, and
(07:03):
it was wonderful. But we made a decision to go
in a boarded up house and play tea party and
a bad man saw us go in there. Well, I say, man,
he was I think he was probably a senior in
high school. I know he had been held back a
couple of times. And Terry broke into the house, you know,
(07:24):
behind us, and I didn't understand at the time what
actually happened, but obviously later I figured out that Terry
brutally raped my girlfriend, you know, in front of me,
and as a child, not being able to do anything,
I think is what really put that I need to
go fix injustice, you know, and make things right, especially
(07:46):
when it comes to sexual injustice. So that was the
first thing. A few years later I figured out what
he did to her because my next door neighbor locked
me in his bedroom and showed me a magazine that
was now what I understand to be very hardcore pornography.
And it was through those images that I went, oh,
(08:09):
that's what happened to my girlfriend that day. And I
put it all together, and you know, you just lock
that all down or you've tried to forget about it,
but it never goes away. You know, something's going to
happen with that kind of thing, and that's what happened
to me.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Wow. How old were you at the time about.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
When he locked me in his bedroom. I was probably
seventh grade. Whenever that right happened, I was in about
third grade.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So in your your TED talk you talk about porn
not being a victimless crime. Can you expand on that?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, that statement, I get
a lot of pushback on it because people will say, well,
porn isn't a crime, And what I mean by that
is it is at crome against humanity. It is proven
and all I do all day is research this kind
of information, Eric, But it is proven that pornography isn't
(09:11):
built around empowered women. It's built around victims and whether they're.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Smart laughing, it's just when you put it that way,
it's like, yeah, it's not embowering them, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
No, I mean, haven't you heard that before. Haven't you
heard people say, oh, you know, women are making a
choice to take their sexuality back and make money from it.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
There is no little girl on this planet that grew
up saying I want to be in pornography when I
grow up, you know. I mean, so it comes from
being in a victimized place, you know, like maybe they
made that decision on their own because they're addicted to
drugs or because they feel like they have no way out.
(09:59):
I mean that best case scenario, but worst case scenario
is is that they are victims of sex trafficking. The
vast majority of people online are victims of sex trafficking.
And I know you've heard the term see SAM, which
is child sexual abuse material. We used to call it
child pornography, and that just really wasn't accurate enough. So
(10:21):
there's been a lot of work to get it changed
to child sexual abuse material because no child is agreeing
to be in pornography, and so one hundred percent of
children in pornography are victims of sexual abuse. And it
is just it starts with free porn you know. I
(10:41):
think of this in like an endless cycle. There's free
pornography that everybody has access to on their phones, and
so you get on there and then pretty soon the
algorithm knows what you're liking, and it starts pushing you
something more abusive, something more aggressive, and typically with somebody
more young, younger and younger, so that you'll click more.
(11:04):
And that's what the algorithm feeds on. And so if
you're watching pornography of any kind, just understand you are
contributing to child sexual abuse material and child sex trafficking.
It's been proven.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I can show you the research.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That's what I mean, and I wholeheartedly agree However, there
is an effort being made to separate trafficking from porn
And this is what I mean. On Netflix right now,
there's a quote unquote documentary which I believe that is
(11:42):
funded by one of the big porn to sites. If
you watch that documentary, you'll come away thinking, Oh, sex
trafficking is over there and porn is over here. These
have nothing to do with each other. And so there's
(12:04):
a there's a an effort being put out to convince
the public that sex trafficking has nothing to do with pornography.
That oh, the actors in pornography, these are all warning
participants in the They're just in the the Uh, they're
(12:25):
sex workers. They're all just set sex workers that all
want to be there. And that's what this documentary shows
on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, yeah, I mean we're messing with their money, right,
just having this conversation, We're messing with their money.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And I think I know what organization you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So what is some of the like you're really like
on the front lines there, like when you when you
go to Alaska, what is some of the things that
you experience or what are the some of the things
that you do or are some of the the you know,
tragic things maybe that you've heard.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, you know, I can go on and on, so
feel free to interrupt me, Eric if I just start
carrying on too much. When I got up to Anchorage,
you know, it was for this protocol called transit monitoring,
and so we worked with state officials, with TSA, with
the chief of Security at the Anchorage International Airport, and
(13:24):
the idea was to execute this protocol at the airport.
The problem, one of the main problems that Alaska has,
is that Indigenous women are being trafficked at an alarming rate.
Because whenever you think of all of the things that
go into victims of trafficking, its vulnerabilities, well, you don't
get much more vulnerable than a woman in a remote
(13:46):
village surrounded by men with money, you know. So they
are trafficked at a very very high rate. And so
we had this wonderful plan to execute at the airport.
Sixteen volunteers we had trained up in ready to go.
And as soon as I got out there and just
had like a couple of shifts to even observe the airport,
(14:06):
I soon got a letter from the Alaska Attorney General
to cease and desist and get out of the airport.
What I have lots of opinions on why they were afraid.
You know that since we were associated with TSA that well,
they have their reasons. But my thought is is that
I read a lot of articles that whenever somebody from
(14:29):
an airport or from an airline rather questions somebody about
human trafficking, there's always backlash. They'll say, how dare you?
How dare you hold up my day to ask me
questions about this kid I'm traveling with. Of course, it's
my step kid, and you know, most of the time
it does turn out to be that, but the question
has to be asked because so many times it's not right.
(14:52):
But there is so much backlash from the general public
about how dare you that airline? Our airports don't want
to take on the responsibility of you know, I could
potentially be sued if I asked the wrong questions. And
that's my biggest insight is to the problems.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That we have.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We have to get over ourselves. You know that if
somebody in security or a police officer or from the
airport wants to hold us up in our travels a
little bit to ask us some questions. Let them do that,
you know, get over yourself, because you might be saving
a child from being trafficked and being raped several times
a day. So what is the big deal about being
(15:33):
held up? Okay, so that's the first thing got kicked
out of the airport. Now, as you can imagine, I
had quit my job, put my home up.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
For police, and I'm in Alaska with no program, Like
what is going on?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I am a big woman of faith, you know, just
prayed through it, and thankfully I was introduced to a
woman at the Downtown Hope Center, which is the Anchorage
emergency women shelter, and the executive director, this powerhouse woman
named Sherry Laurie. I just introduced myself to her because
(16:10):
my goal was to understand what she was doing with
the women, but also to let her know that I
needed housing and that you know, she has a very
philanthropic community around her. And I said, you know, I'm
up here self supported and now I don't have a
program and I need a place to live. And she
was like, oh, come with me. They had just purchased
(16:30):
the apartment complex across the street from the emergency shelter
to make it kind of like interim housing for women
coming out of the shelter and getting jobs. And they,
you know, kind of had this idea of what they
wanted to do, and God stepped me right into that.
So that's what happened next is I got to spend
every day with the seventy women coming through that emergency
(16:51):
shelter and then working at Sweet Hope, which was their
transitional housing, as property manager. And that was the job
that put me on a daily basis, toe to toe
with sex traffickers every day.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Wow. Wow, So what are some of the stories you
got with up with talking to sex traffickers?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, you know, just thinking of one. So the emergency
shelter they served soup and sandwich three hundred and sixty
five days a year out of their big kitchen. That's
part of the services that they have to the community.
And because of that, that's where the homeless community comes.
That's why it's a sex trafficking hub because that's where
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the vulnerable people are, so of course the sex traffickers
just circle the block looking for victims. It's also where
homeless camps are frequently set up because they can easily
go get their meal every day, and so caddy corner
to the property that I managed was a large homeless
camp and so all day I could just watch, you know,
what was happening. And so I knew who the drug
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dealers were. I knew the drug dealers that would pull
up and you know, get bags of drugs on their bicycles,
on their stolen bicycles, and then take them out. I
knew who the sex traffickers were because I would see
him pull up and grab a girl and throw her
a black dress and push her in the car. And
I saw all this happening, so I identified, Yeah, I
identified one, and I learned his first name because he
(18:19):
pulled up one day and got out of the car
and slapped this girl and she was, you know, a
homeless girl, and I knew that she had a drug problem,
and so she's cursing at him and she calls him David.
I'm like, noted his name is David. The next day,
we have what I call prayer warriors. They come out
(18:40):
and it was a bunch of women and they walk
up and down the homeless camp and around my property
and they literally just pray over what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The prayer warriors.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So here come the prayer warriors over the homeless camp.
They're praying. It's wonderful. Here comes David in his hoopti car,
you know, and I guess he's angry that we're there.
So he pulled up on the sidewalk and like basically
tried to run people over. And he's up on the
sidewalk and just kind of sitting there in his car,
and I just calmly walked over and just leaned in
(19:11):
towards this winter and I said, David. And he snaps
around because he's like, how do you know my name?
You know? And I just started leaning into him. You know,
this is not what God had intended for your life,
pushing drugs to the homeless, you know, just praying into him,
leaning into him. He gets out of the car. David's
(19:34):
a foot taller than me, you know, and he's just
sitting there and I just keep praying at him, keep
praying at him. And finally Eric, he just kind of
like he just fell. He just kind of fell on
his butt and his head's hanging and I keep praying,
and he was like.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'm not comfortable with this, You're not you know, he
finally gets in his car and I said, and pull
your pants up, because he was one of these saggers,
you know. He pulled his pants up, got in his car,
takes and he never returned to the neighborhood again.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Ever, I don't know where he went next, but he
did not return to the neighborhood again. So that's the
kind of stuff that was happening at Second in Cordova
in Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Wow. Just think that one interaction you had there could
have saved how many girls women like Wow?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know, we can only pray so because they have
stories where they did not in so in so well.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, yeah, yeah, and you know we're still talking
about some of the challenges and some of the what
are some of the things that happened that maybe didn't
end so well?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, the black dress story that I that I referenced,
there was this beautiful young girl and I guess and
she was probably the youngest in the shelter. We only
accepted adults. You know, children go through a different system.
So you had twenty one and over to come into
the emergency shelter and she was just barely but she
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was drug addicted. As by the way. That's typically what
a sex trafficker does is if you're not addicted to drugs,
they quickly get them addicted to drugs because that's their
method of control. So if I can get you on myth,
you know, now you're mind, because you're gonna come to me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
For that next hit.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And they may start out with something more comfortable like heroin,
but then quickly get them on meth and fentanyl, and
of course the death rate is just through the roof
up there on fentanyl. But this particular young lady you know,
got in the truck with this trafficker, and we didn't
hear from her from a cup for a couple of days,
and sure enough they found her body buried in a
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snow drift a couple of blocks down from us. And
the stories that came from the girls, you know, I
didn't obviously see her, but that she had strangle marks
on her neck, and so just trying to understand what
her last minutes, you know, might have been like. Now,
one that survived was another young lady, and I got
(22:10):
a call to come pick her up and take her
to the hospital. She had been returned to us by
the Alaska's Department of Safety and they found her three
hours from anchorage in this little village, So she had
been taken from us. And she said she didn't take
any drug she wasn't a drug user, but she drank
(22:31):
a beer with them. Well, obviously they put something in
her beer, because she woke up three days later, three
hours away from us, naked in somebody's house and ran
out naked, and the Department of Safety picked her up
and brought her back to us, and then I had
to take her to the hospital. And of course she
had been brutally abused in any way you can imagine,
(22:52):
you know, and had to survive that. So that's how
they operate up there.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
How does that like, for example, when you saw the
the girl being you know, throwing the black dress and
pulled into the car, and then the woman that got strangled,
and then this other so other woman, Like, how does
that affect you? What? What's that like? I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, you know, the girl who got strangled. It was
really sad because her mother was also a guest of
the emergency shelter and had worked through to sobriety. They
were both staying at the shelter in this plan to
become sober, and even though the younger, you know, the daughter,
was working on it, the mother was sober, but then
(23:41):
had to face what happened to her daughter, you know.
So that was the hardest part, is watching the suffering
that it caused. But Eric, I can say that at
first I didn't handle it well because it was dark.
I went up there in the winter, and then I
had to face my own trauma as that was, and
so obviously I ended up in therapy. I ended up depressed,
(24:04):
but worked through it. But then once I worked through that,
you know, it's just daily again, I'm gonna have to
reference my faith because there's no way to talk about
my story without it. Every day I had to lift
that burden and just give it to Christ and let
him care it because I'm like, this is too much.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But then once I prayed through it and could do
that every day. And that's what I even did at
the Sex offender Registry. I would read through a case
and I would start to get sick, you know, reading
what happened to these kids, and then I would go,
but wait, God's not in time, so I can actually
pray for that child right now, And I would just
stop and pray. And that's how I got through it.
You know, you have to have a support system and
(24:43):
an understanding of a higher power and in my case, God,
our creator, you know, to get through it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So that's how I did it.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I you know, with something like that, I don't
know how else you would do it like that. That
is just so yeah heavy. I mean, so you've experienced
those things, even though I would imagine they're really they're
they're traumas. I mean, even though it didn't happen to you,
(25:10):
but you were right there and you know these people.
That's a trauma that you have to work through. So again,
you're an incredible human being for you know, voluntarily leaving
the corporate world and putting your boots on the ground
there and anchorage.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
You know, I appreciate you saying that, but really, I
mean I did it for fourteen months and now I'm
up here trying to do it from a different angle,
which is staying informed on things like artificial intelligence and
what's happening online, you know, and we can talk about that,
but there heroes, and I want to bring attention to
this is think of the women working at that emergency
(25:51):
shelter day in and day out, and I know several
of the women who have been there since its inception,
and that they, you know, have become mother to these girls.
Those are the heroes. Those are the women who just
stick it out and stay in there, and day after
day after day get attacked verbally, physically abused, but they
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just stay in there and stay with these women, and
then they get to watch as the women who survive,
the women who go through the program and go through
the plan and accept Christ and make a better life,
get to see that the fruit of their labors. And
so I cannot stress enough that if you want to
do something for human trafficking, look to your local community,
find out where the shelters are, find out who the
(26:35):
women are or the organizations that are fighting behind the scenes,
and that's where you want to volunteer or spend your money.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, so you had mentioned artificial intelligence. Yeah, oh boy, Yeah, Like,
where do we even start with that? I've got a
lot of and fro about that. What's what do you
know about artificial intelligence and porn?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And oh god, So artificial intelligence is defining our reality, right,
I mean, it's it's defining the movies we watch the
content we read. It's defining our new reality. And what's
scary about that is obviously it can be used for
powerful good or it can be used for our demise,
(27:24):
because there are individuals behind it setting the filters of
how artificial intelligence works. So, for example, I've got two
different artificial intelligence engines that I use a lot of
times to help with my research, and in one I
can put what is pedophilia and it will give me
a reasonable answer, and the other one it will say
(27:47):
pedophilia is minor attracted persons, Oh my god, and that
they can't help it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So it's feeding into define this reality of making it okay.
And it's just like you're saying about fix, trying to
separate it and making us think that it's okay if
we put different words around it. So that's the horrible
scary part. But then secondly, some sex trafficking groups and
gangs are so sophisticated that they're using artificial intelligence just
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like you know, a corporation would in that. I can
show you there's an app called Whisper, and it's just
you know, you post these little pictures and you can
put a little phrase with it and if you put
something that indicates you're underage and vulnerable, Like if I'll
put I'm lonely or something like that, I'll get ten
(28:40):
responses from artificial intelligence chatbots that we're smart enough to know, oh,
this looks underage, you're vulnerable, and start saying, hey, do
you need a sugar daddy, or do you want to
make ten thousand dollars a week?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Just like that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Boom, boom boom.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That's artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So the bad guys have figured out, you know, already,
how to use and how to run their businesses with it.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, and unfortunately it's only just begun. For example, if
a family is posting pictures of their kids online, a
pornographer now can take that picture of your kid. Yeah,
they scan it in and they can put that face
on any other kid or person and it looks just
(29:27):
like them. Looks you could not tell that it was
not that person within minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, they can do that within minutes. The software
is just so smart and so easy to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Use for them.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
They can do that within minutes, and then it's put
into files that are sold and then they communicate on
signal and on telegraph and these different chat methods to
share files and then it's currency. So you know everybody
is always wondering, well, how do you even get child
sexual abuse material? Well, on these platforms, you have to
earn the trust by bringing them something. And so somebody
(30:02):
will take a picture of their daughter or their stepdaughter
or their son or something in their pajamas or something
that seems almost harmless. But that's step one just.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To get in.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And then once you share that, then you can go
on to the next level and you can get more
degrading and more abusive and younger kids. And then to
get in deeper, you have to share more from your
own world. And so then you're convincing or blackmailing somebody. Well,
now I need you to do this sex act on camera,
or I'm going to you know it's sex stortion, or
(30:35):
I'm going to tell everybody at your school and your
parents and your teachers if you don't. And that's how
they're trading this currency like baseball cards on these platforms.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And speaking of school, just yesterday I saw an article
about a young girl that one of her fellow male
students had used artificial intelligence to put her face on
some naked or pornographic pictures and they were they were
(31:06):
spreading them around the school and you know that's underage porn, right, Like,
so they these boys are you know, like this is
going to trial, you know, so like this and like
I said, this is only just begun. Like if artificial
(31:27):
intelligence were a person, it would be barely an.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Infant, right right.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's going to grow up and get unruly in a heartbeat.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know the demographic of who listens to this,
but I would tell anybody under eighteen or if you
if you have kids, they need to understand. Now that
I've been able to talk more and more to kids
in different schools and things like that, one of the
big things now is they're sending pictures to each other
constantly of you know, it's like send me your boob,
(32:01):
send me your butt, send a dick pic. Whatever. They
need to understand that is child sexual abuse material and
you can be charged. So if somebody decided to charge
another person, it doesn't matter that who you're sending it
to is underage or that the person. It's like two
fifteen year olds sharing that they're both guilty, and I
don't think they understand that. But that's see Sam and
(32:24):
they're spreading it and it can be charged.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yes, and it does, it does well, Sabrina. For this portion,
we are need to call it quits for here for
a minute, so I appreciate you being here. Sabrina will
be back in the next episode. In this portion, we
(32:47):
talked a lot of the challenges with sex trafficking and
poor and artificial intelligence and such. But when she comes back,
she's gonna tell us some of the more of the
positive things and things that we can do with about
to prevent sex trafficking and uh why perhaps even to
(33:09):
get off porn. So anyway, Sabrina, thanks for being here
and I'll see you in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Eric sounds good.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Are you struggling with porn or sex addiction?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Then apply for a free strategy call with Eric today
at powerfuleric dot com.
And so if you're watching pornography of any kind, just
understand you are contributing to child sexual abuse material and
child sex trafficking. It's been proven.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I can show you the research.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Take control, control of your life, break the change in.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Ris normal, feeling powerless, normal, shame, and take your power.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Break out of the pain.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Because it's more than fortication, more than procreation.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's not just self stimulation.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Sex senergy is for creation, transformation.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
And so a destination.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:22):
This is porn talk. Get empowered. Right now, we have
an incredible guest with us today. Her name is Sabrina Stratford,
and for twenty five years she's forged powerful partnerships as
(01:43):
a global business manager in the world of it. But
then she made a courageous decision to leave it all
behind and take a stand against the harrowing reality of
sex trafficking right at the heart of it in Alaska. Today,
Sabrina is not just an abolitionist, but a beacon of hope,
(02:07):
a tetech speaker, and an unwavering advocate for the Human
Trafficking Hotline. Her boots on the ground experiences fuels her
mission to inform and shape corporate responsibility plans, creating a
ripple effect of change that resonates the worldwide. Welcome Sabrina
(02:28):
Stratford welcomes to Sabrina.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Thank you, Eric, I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, so what's your story? How do you go from
being in the corporate world to boots on the ground
fighting human trafficking?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, you know, career changes. It happened I think because
of COVID. I mean, certainly there's a lot of history
behind why it happened, but when it happened, it was
you know, we went into twenty twenty sitting in our
living rooms and I was no longer able to travel
(03:07):
the globe to do my job, and so I was
just talking to people all day, and I had lots
of time with myself, I'm sure like most of us did,
saying is this really what I want to be doing
with my life? Am I making the biggest impact that
I can? And I started asking myself these questions, and
just at that time, I met a woman who was
(03:29):
working for an NGO called Love Justice International, and they
fight human trafficking with a protocol called Transit monitoring. What'sng
a non government organization? Okay, so SELFF you know, they
raise their own funding to make an impact and they
(03:50):
do transit monitoring. So but they have been doing it internationally.
So just think of people getting off of a train
or a bus in India or in the Philippines. Those
people become big, big targets of traffickers. And so they've
made a worldwide impact in those areas. And they had
this idea that they wanted to bring that project and
(04:12):
that protocol to the United States. And so that's when
I learned of this organization, and as they were talking
through what they wanted to do, I just got struck
with the invitation. And like within two weeks of talking
to them, I had quit my career, put my home
up for lease, loaded up my car, and I thought
(04:34):
I was going to be going to like New York
or California or something, and sadly that the problem is
so big and Alaska. I ended up in Anchorage, Alaska
fighting human trafficking.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Wow. Wow, well that's certainly a bold courageous move. But
let's take it back a little, like what things resonate
with you, like closer to home, Like what experiences did
(05:05):
you have. I know you had some things happen when
you were very young in regard to porn and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, you know, it was I was thinking about the
first time that I'd actually heard the term human trafficking,
and I believe it was in about twenty sixteen. I
went to a fundraiser, and I know we all have
ideas about what human trafficking is, whether it comes from
a movie like Sound of Freedom, which is definitely accurate
but not what's happening in the United States, or whether
(05:35):
it comes from a movie like taking. You know, when
you think of Land Nisan going after somebody, or a
van pulling up and taking somebody, and while that does happen,
that's not what's really happening in the United States. But
this person on the stage in twenty sixteen talked about
being trafficked by a family member and how many times
a day she got right, And of course that stuck
(05:57):
with me. That you know, that really stuck with me.
And I was just constantly thinking about human trafficking and
doing research, but obviously didn't take any action to twenty twenty.
It wasn't eric until I got into Alaska and hearing
the stories from the women, and then actually going to
work with the Alaska Department of Safety and the Sex
(06:19):
Offender Registry when I was reading over their case files.
That was my job every day to read over these
case files and make determinations of what people were going
to do to register to come in the state of Alaska.
So I'm reading over these files and you know, I
don't know all of the psychological terms, but being triggered
or repressed stories, you know, our stories in my own
(06:42):
life that I had framed differently. It all bubbled up
and I figured out that, you know, the first time
this really hit me. I mean I was probably in
like third grade, and I had a girlfriend who was
a few years older than me, and she was mentally challenged.
We lived out in the country and the Panhandle of Texas,
and we got to go everywhere and do everything, and
(07:03):
it was wonderful. But we made a decision to go
in a boarded up house and play tea party and
a bad man saw us go in there. Well, I say, man,
he was I think he was probably a senior in
high school. I know he had been held back a
couple of times. And Terry broke into the house, you know,
(07:24):
behind us, and I didn't understand at the time what
actually happened, but obviously later I figured out that Terry
brutally raped my girlfriend, you know, in front of me,
and as a child, not being able to do anything,
I think is what really put that I need to
go fix injustice, you know, and make things right, especially
(07:46):
when it comes to sexual injustice. So that was the
first thing. A few years later I figured out what
he did to her because my next door neighbor locked
me in his bedroom and showed me a magazine that
was now what I understand to be very hardcore pornography.
And it was through those images that I went, oh,
(08:09):
that's what happened to my girlfriend that day. And I
put it all together, and you know, you just lock
that all down or you've tried to forget about it,
but it never goes away. You know, something's going to
happen with that kind of thing, and that's what happened
to me.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Wow. How old were you at the time about.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
When he locked me in his bedroom. I was probably
seventh grade. Whenever that right happened, I was in about
third grade.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So in your your TED talk you talk about porn
not being a victimless crime. Can you expand on that?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, that statement, I get
a lot of pushback on it because people will say, well,
porn isn't a crime, And what I mean by that
is it is at crome against humanity. It is proven
and all I do all day is research this kind
of information, Eric, But it is proven that pornography isn't
(09:11):
built around empowered women. It's built around victims and whether they're.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Smart laughing, it's just when you put it that way,
it's like, yeah, it's not embowering them, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
No, I mean, haven't you heard that before. Haven't you
heard people say, oh, you know, women are making a
choice to take their sexuality back and make money from it.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
There is no little girl on this planet that grew
up saying I want to be in pornography when I
grow up, you know. I mean, so it comes from
being in a victimized place, you know, like maybe they
made that decision on their own because they're addicted to
drugs or because they feel like they have no way out.
(09:59):
I mean that best case scenario, but worst case scenario
is is that they are victims of sex trafficking. The
vast majority of people online are victims of sex trafficking.
And I know you've heard the term see SAM, which
is child sexual abuse material. We used to call it
child pornography, and that just really wasn't accurate enough. So
(10:21):
there's been a lot of work to get it changed
to child sexual abuse material because no child is agreeing
to be in pornography, and so one hundred percent of
children in pornography are victims of sexual abuse. And it
is just it starts with free porn you know. I
(10:41):
think of this in like an endless cycle. There's free
pornography that everybody has access to on their phones, and
so you get on there and then pretty soon the
algorithm knows what you're liking, and it starts pushing you
something more abusive, something more aggressive, and typically with somebody
more young, younger and younger, so that you'll click more.
(11:04):
And that's what the algorithm feeds on. And so if
you're watching pornography of any kind, just understand you are
contributing to child sexual abuse material and child sex trafficking.
It's been proven.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I can show you the research.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That's what I mean, and I wholeheartedly agree However, there
is an effort being made to separate trafficking from porn
And this is what I mean. On Netflix right now,
there's a quote unquote documentary which I believe that is
(11:42):
funded by one of the big porn to sites. If
you watch that documentary, you'll come away thinking, Oh, sex
trafficking is over there and porn is over here. These
have nothing to do with each other. And so there's
(12:04):
a there's a an effort being put out to convince
the public that sex trafficking has nothing to do with pornography.
That oh, the actors in pornography, these are all warning
participants in the They're just in the the Uh, they're
(12:25):
sex workers. They're all just set sex workers that all
want to be there. And that's what this documentary shows
on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, yeah, I mean we're messing with their money, right,
just having this conversation, We're messing with their money.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And I think I know what organization you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So what is some of the like you're really like
on the front lines there, like when you when you
go to Alaska, what is some of the things that
you experience or what are the some of the things
that you do or are some of the the you know,
tragic things maybe that you've heard.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, you know, I can go on and on, so
feel free to interrupt me, Eric if I just start
carrying on too much. When I got up to Anchorage,
you know, it was for this protocol called transit monitoring,
and so we worked with state officials, with TSA, with
the chief of Security at the Anchorage International Airport, and
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the idea was to execute this protocol at the airport.
The problem, one of the main problems that Alaska has,
is that Indigenous women are being trafficked at an alarming rate.
Because whenever you think of all of the things that
go into victims of trafficking, its vulnerabilities, well, you don't
get much more vulnerable than a woman in a remote
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village surrounded by men with money, you know. So they
are trafficked at a very very high rate. And so
we had this wonderful plan to execute at the airport.
Sixteen volunteers we had trained up in ready to go.
And as soon as I got out there and just
had like a couple of shifts to even observe the airport,
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I soon got a letter from the Alaska Attorney General
to cease and desist and get out of the airport.
What I have lots of opinions on why they were afraid.
You know that since we were associated with TSA that well,
they have their reasons. But my thought is is that
I read a lot of articles that whenever somebody from
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an airport or from an airline rather questions somebody about
human trafficking, there's always backlash. They'll say, how dare you?
How dare you hold up my day to ask me
questions about this kid I'm traveling with. Of course, it's
my step kid, and you know, most of the time
it does turn out to be that, but the question
has to be asked because so many times it's not right.
(14:52):
But there is so much backlash from the general public
about how dare you that airline? Our airports don't want
to take on the responsibility of you know, I could
potentially be sued if I asked the wrong questions. And
that's my biggest insight is to the problems.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That we have.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
We have to get over ourselves. You know that if
somebody in security or a police officer or from the
airport wants to hold us up in our travels a
little bit to ask us some questions. Let them do that,
you know, get over yourself, because you might be saving
a child from being trafficked and being raped several times
a day. So what is the big deal about being
(15:33):
held up? Okay, so that's the first thing got kicked
out of the airport. Now, as you can imagine, I
had quit my job, put my home up.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
For police, and I'm in Alaska with no program, Like
what is going on?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I am a big woman of faith, you know, just
prayed through it, and thankfully I was introduced to a
woman at the Downtown Hope Center, which is the Anchorage
emergency women shelter, and the executive director, this powerhouse woman
named Sherry Laurie. I just introduced myself to her because
(16:10):
my goal was to understand what she was doing with
the women, but also to let her know that I
needed housing and that you know, she has a very
philanthropic community around her. And I said, you know, I'm
up here self supported and now I don't have a
program and I need a place to live. And she
was like, oh, come with me. They had just purchased
(16:30):
the apartment complex across the street from the emergency shelter
to make it kind of like interim housing for women
coming out of the shelter and getting jobs. And they,
you know, kind of had this idea of what they
wanted to do, and God stepped me right into that.
So that's what happened next is I got to spend
every day with the seventy women coming through that emergency
(16:51):
shelter and then working at Sweet Hope, which was their
transitional housing, as property manager. And that was the job
that put me on a daily basis, toe to toe
with sex traffickers every day.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Wow. Wow, So what are some of the stories you
got with up with talking to sex traffickers?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, you know, just thinking of one. So the emergency
shelter they served soup and sandwich three hundred and sixty
five days a year out of their big kitchen. That's
part of the services that they have to the community.
And because of that, that's where the homeless community comes.
That's why it's a sex trafficking hub because that's where
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the vulnerable people are, so of course the sex traffickers
just circle the block looking for victims. It's also where
homeless camps are frequently set up because they can easily
go get their meal every day, and so caddy corner
to the property that I managed was a large homeless
camp and so all day I could just watch, you know,
what was happening. And so I knew who the drug
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dealers were. I knew the drug dealers that would pull
up and you know, get bags of drugs on their bicycles,
on their stolen bicycles, and then take them out. I
knew who the sex traffickers were because I would see
him pull up and grab a girl and throw her
a black dress and push her in the car. And
I saw all this happening, so I identified, Yeah, I
identified one, and I learned his first name because he
(18:19):
pulled up one day and got out of the car
and slapped this girl and she was, you know, a
homeless girl, and I knew that she had a drug problem,
and so she's cursing at him and she calls him David.
I'm like, noted his name is David. The next day,
we have what I call prayer warriors. They come out
(18:40):
and it was a bunch of women and they walk
up and down the homeless camp and around my property
and they literally just pray over what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
The prayer warriors.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So here come the prayer warriors over the homeless camp.
They're praying. It's wonderful. Here comes David in his hoopti car,
you know, and I guess he's angry that we're there.
So he pulled up on the sidewalk and like basically
tried to run people over. And he's up on the
sidewalk and just kind of sitting there in his car,
and I just calmly walked over and just leaned in
(19:11):
towards this winter and I said, David. And he snaps
around because he's like, how do you know my name?
You know? And I just started leaning into him. You know,
this is not what God had intended for your life,
pushing drugs to the homeless, you know, just praying into him,
leaning into him. He gets out of the car. David's
(19:34):
a foot taller than me, you know, and he's just
sitting there and I just keep praying at him, keep
praying at him. And finally Eric, he just kind of
like he just fell. He just kind of fell on
his butt and his head's hanging and I keep praying,
and he was like.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'm not comfortable with this, You're not you know, he
finally gets in his car and I said, and pull
your pants up, because he was one of these saggers,
you know. He pulled his pants up, got in his car,
takes and he never returned to the neighborhood again.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Ever, I don't know where he went next, but he
did not return to the neighborhood again. So that's the
kind of stuff that was happening at Second in Cordova
in Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Wow. Just think that one interaction you had there could
have saved how many girls women like Wow?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You know, we can only pray so because they have
stories where they did not in so in so well.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, yeah, yeah, and you know we're still talking
about some of the challenges and some of the what
are some of the things that happened that maybe didn't
end so well?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, the black dress story that I that I referenced,
there was this beautiful young girl and I guess and
she was probably the youngest in the shelter. We only
accepted adults. You know, children go through a different system.
So you had twenty one and over to come into
the emergency shelter and she was just barely but she
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was drug addicted. As by the way. That's typically what
a sex trafficker does is if you're not addicted to drugs,
they quickly get them addicted to drugs because that's their
method of control. So if I can get you on myth,
you know, now you're mind, because you're gonna come to me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
For that next hit.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And they may start out with something more comfortable like heroin,
but then quickly get them on meth and fentanyl, and
of course the death rate is just through the roof
up there on fentanyl. But this particular young lady you know,
got in the truck with this trafficker, and we didn't
hear from her from a cup for a couple of days,
and sure enough they found her body buried in a
(21:49):
snow drift a couple of blocks down from us. And
the stories that came from the girls, you know, I
didn't obviously see her, but that she had strangle marks
on her neck, and so just trying to understand what
her last minutes, you know, might have been like. Now,
one that survived was another young lady, and I got
(22:10):
a call to come pick her up and take her
to the hospital. She had been returned to us by
the Alaska's Department of Safety and they found her three
hours from anchorage in this little village, So she had
been taken from us. And she said she didn't take
any drug she wasn't a drug user, but she drank
(22:31):
a beer with them. Well, obviously they put something in
her beer, because she woke up three days later, three
hours away from us, naked in somebody's house and ran
out naked, and the Department of Safety picked her up
and brought her back to us, and then I had
to take her to the hospital. And of course she
had been brutally abused in any way you can imagine,
(22:52):
you know, and had to survive that. So that's how
they operate up there.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
How does that like, for example, when you saw the
the girl being you know, throwing the black dress and
pulled into the car, and then the woman that got strangled,
and then this other so other woman, Like, how does
that affect you? What? What's that like? I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, you know, the girl who got strangled. It was
really sad because her mother was also a guest of
the emergency shelter and had worked through to sobriety. They
were both staying at the shelter in this plan to
become sober, and even though the younger, you know, the daughter,
was working on it, the mother was sober, but then
(23:41):
had to face what happened to her daughter, you know.
So that was the hardest part, is watching the suffering
that it caused. But Eric, I can say that at
first I didn't handle it well because it was dark.
I went up there in the winter, and then I
had to face my own trauma as that was, and
so obviously I ended up in therapy. I ended up depressed,
(24:04):
but worked through it. But then once I worked through that,
you know, it's just daily again, I'm gonna have to
reference my faith because there's no way to talk about
my story without it. Every day I had to lift
that burden and just give it to Christ and let
him care it because I'm like, this is too much.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But then once I prayed through it and could do
that every day. And that's what I even did at
the Sex offender Registry. I would read through a case
and I would start to get sick, you know, reading
what happened to these kids, and then I would go,
but wait, God's not in time, so I can actually
pray for that child right now, And I would just
stop and pray. And that's how I got through it.
You know, you have to have a support system and
(24:43):
an understanding of a higher power and in my case, God,
our creator, you know, to get through it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So that's how I did it.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, I you know, with something like that, I don't
know how else you would do it like that. That
is just so yeah heavy. I mean, so you've experienced
those things, even though I would imagine they're really they're
they're traumas. I mean, even though it didn't happen to you,
(25:10):
but you were right there and you know these people.
That's a trauma that you have to work through. So again,
you're an incredible human being for you know, voluntarily leaving
the corporate world and putting your boots on the ground
there and anchorage.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
You know, I appreciate you saying that, but really, I
mean I did it for fourteen months and now I'm
up here trying to do it from a different angle,
which is staying informed on things like artificial intelligence and
what's happening online, you know, and we can talk about that,
but there heroes, and I want to bring attention to
this is think of the women working at that emergency
(25:51):
shelter day in and day out, and I know several
of the women who have been there since its inception,
and that they, you know, have become mother to these girls.
Those are the heroes. Those are the women who just
stick it out and stay in there, and day after
day after day get attacked verbally, physically abused, but they
(26:13):
just stay in there and stay with these women, and
then they get to watch as the women who survive,
the women who go through the program and go through
the plan and accept Christ and make a better life,
get to see that the fruit of their labors. And
so I cannot stress enough that if you want to
do something for human trafficking, look to your local community,
find out where the shelters are, find out who the
(26:35):
women are or the organizations that are fighting behind the scenes,
and that's where you want to volunteer or spend your money.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, so you had mentioned artificial intelligence. Yeah, oh boy, Yeah, Like,
where do we even start with that? I've got a
lot of and fro about that. What's what do you
know about artificial intelligence and porn?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And oh god, So artificial intelligence is defining our reality, right,
I mean, it's it's defining the movies we watch the
content we read. It's defining our new reality. And what's
scary about that is obviously it can be used for
powerful good or it can be used for our demise,
(27:24):
because there are individuals behind it setting the filters of
how artificial intelligence works. So, for example, I've got two
different artificial intelligence engines that I use a lot of
times to help with my research, and in one I
can put what is pedophilia and it will give me
a reasonable answer, and the other one it will say
(27:47):
pedophilia is minor attracted persons, Oh my god, and that
they can't help it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So it's feeding into define this reality of making it okay.
And it's just like you're saying about fix, trying to
separate it and making us think that it's okay if
we put different words around it. So that's the horrible
scary part. But then secondly, some sex trafficking groups and
gangs are so sophisticated that they're using artificial intelligence just
(28:18):
like you know, a corporation would in that. I can
show you there's an app called Whisper, and it's just
you know, you post these little pictures and you can
put a little phrase with it and if you put
something that indicates you're underage and vulnerable, Like if I'll
put I'm lonely or something like that, I'll get ten
(28:40):
responses from artificial intelligence chatbots that we're smart enough to know, oh,
this looks underage, you're vulnerable, and start saying, hey, do
you need a sugar daddy, or do you want to
make ten thousand dollars a week?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Just like that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Boom, boom boom.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
That's artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So the bad guys have figured out, you know, already,
how to use and how to run their businesses with it.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah, and unfortunately it's only just begun. For example, if
a family is posting pictures of their kids online, a
pornographer now can take that picture of your kid. Yeah,
they scan it in and they can put that face
on any other kid or person and it looks just
(29:27):
like them. Looks you could not tell that it was
not that person within minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, they can do that within minutes. The software
is just so smart and so easy to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Use for them.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
They can do that within minutes, and then it's put
into files that are sold and then they communicate on
signal and on telegraph and these different chat methods to
share files and then it's currency. So you know everybody
is always wondering, well, how do you even get child
sexual abuse material? Well, on these platforms, you have to
earn the trust by bringing them something. And so somebody
(30:02):
will take a picture of their daughter or their stepdaughter
or their son or something in their pajamas or something
that seems almost harmless. But that's step one just.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
To get in.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And then once you share that, then you can go
on to the next level and you can get more
degrading and more abusive and younger kids. And then to
get in deeper, you have to share more from your
own world. And so then you're convincing or blackmailing somebody. Well,
now I need you to do this sex act on camera,
or I'm going to you know it's sex stortion, or
(30:35):
I'm going to tell everybody at your school and your
parents and your teachers if you don't. And that's how
they're trading this currency like baseball cards on these platforms.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And speaking of school, just yesterday I saw an article
about a young girl that one of her fellow male
students had used artificial intelligence to put her face on
some naked or pornographic pictures and they were they were
(31:06):
spreading them around the school and you know that's underage porn, right, Like,
so they these boys are you know, like this is
going to trial, you know, so like this and like
I said, this is only just begun. Like if artificial
(31:27):
intelligence were a person, it would be barely an.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Infant, right right.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's going to grow up and get unruly in a heartbeat.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know the demographic of who listens to this,
but I would tell anybody under eighteen or if you
if you have kids, they need to understand. Now that
I've been able to talk more and more to kids
in different schools and things like that, one of the
big things now is they're sending pictures to each other
constantly of you know, it's like send me your boob,
(32:01):
send me your butt, send a dick pic. Whatever. They
need to understand that is child sexual abuse material and
you can be charged. So if somebody decided to charge
another person, it doesn't matter that who you're sending it
to is underage or that the person. It's like two
fifteen year olds sharing that they're both guilty, and I
don't think they understand that. But that's see Sam and
(32:24):
they're spreading it and it can be charged.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yes, and it does, it does well, Sabrina. For this portion,
we are need to call it quits for here for
a minute, so I appreciate you being here. Sabrina will
be back in the next episode. In this portion, we
(32:47):
talked a lot of the challenges with sex trafficking and
poor and artificial intelligence and such. But when she comes back,
she's gonna tell us some of the more of the
positive things and things that we can do with about
to prevent sex trafficking and uh why perhaps even to
(33:09):
get off porn. So anyway, Sabrina, thanks for being here
and I'll see you in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Eric sounds good.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Are you struggling with porn or sex addiction?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Then apply for a free strategy call with Eric today
at powerfuleric dot com.
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