Pedophilia OCD, Erotic Countertransference, and Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, deserve listeners. I thought I would answer some patron emails.
This email is from an anonymous patron. She says, thank
you so much for everything. You are always my favorite
podcast and it has helped me so much as an
adult who has had OCD since early childhood. Your confirmations

(00:21):
of just how severe OCD is have always been so
validating to me when few people understand. Yeah, just chiming
in well. As a person who suffers from anxiety and
OCD like traits, I have a personal interest in people

(00:42):
understanding how horrible it is and to stop using OCD
as a descriptor of people that are tidy. Going on
with your email, you say, listening to your recent episode
on pedophilia OCD, I have some questions and the best
way to determine the type of OCD you have is

(01:04):
to ask yourself what scares you the most. If you're
most afraid of being shame to your community and or
your religion, or you're most afraid of going to Hell,
you might lean towards scrupulosity OCD. Just tell me in Yeah.
People often obsess on the type of OCD that you have,

(01:28):
and they can look quite different, but the core features
are identical or at least very very similar, you know,
similar when people have all these different names for different
kinds of phobias, which I find to be kind of
silly because we can just use specific phobia and then say,
and my specific phobia manifests in worries about germs, or

(01:51):
worries about having to pee in public, or my worry
is on claustrophobia and that sort of thing. Anyway, going
on if you're most afraid of being oh sorry, So
an hotio's patron is just like, if you want to
know what kind of OCD you have, just ask yourself
what scares you the most. And some people worry about

(02:14):
going to hell, some people worry about being a pedophile,
some people worry about contamination. So then you say, most
folks with OCD have had several types in their lifetime.
So a good way to check if someone has pedophilia
themed OCD versus actual pedophilia is if they've had obsessive

(02:34):
and compulsive behaviors in the past. Is that something you've
noticed as well as a clinician and as an academic,
just chiming in, yeah, and that is something that I
do think about and will use an assessment, And if
I didn't talk about it in the pedophilia themed OCD episode,
I probably should have. In that people who have pedophilia

(02:56):
themed OCD, if they have legit OCD and all likelihood
they have had other obsessions or related kinds of anxieties
and it's just currently manifesting in pedophilia themed worries, you know,
whereas someone who is actually a pedophile might not show

(03:19):
other OCD types right now? Could someone have both? Could
someone be a Could someone suffer from pedophilic disorder and
have OCD? Yeah? Absolutely? Could someone who suffers from pedophilic
disorder be terrified of being a pedophile because they have empathy? Yeah?

(03:41):
Also true? So you know, And I went into the
nuances on that and said I believe in the episode
that it's hard to tell. Sometimes you can ask a
lot of questions and you can get a very honest
set of responses from a client and still not necessarily no,
you kind of have to wait for time to play out,
treatment to progress. But anyway, going on with the email, also,

(04:03):
how do you feel about OCD being removed from the
anxiety disorders chapter and into its own category in the
DSM five It rings true to me personally because it
emphasizes the huge differences between OCD and other disorders, and
other disorders is being grouped with historically. But what do
you think I'd love to know? Thank you again and
of email? End of email, Well, thank you and autonomous

(04:26):
pachon for that set of questions. It is a good one,
this last one. Yeah, I understand why OCD, so if
you don't know. In the DSM and the past, OCD
was in the anxiety disorder chapter, and then in DSM five,
published in twenty thirteen, it was put in its own

(04:49):
chapter of I can't remember the exact title, but it
is basically like obsessive compulsive disorders and other related disorders.
You know they have like tricotilin may you know hair
pulling compulsion disorders and body dysmorphia, I think hoarding disorders
and there too, you know, things that are more compulsive

(05:11):
in nature. And on one hand, I completely understand and
I agree with the justification to have it in its
own chapter because it is quite different in a lot
of ways than generalized anxiety or generalized anxiety, or panic
disorder or those kinds of classic anxiety disorders. Having said

(05:34):
that I have a hard time adjusting because I grew
up with it being in the same chapter. And there's
a reason why they were in the same chapters, because
they share a lot, a lot of qualities, like for myself,
who suffers from various different kinds of anxiety, in line
with what you're saying, anonymous patron, and I think I
talked about this. You know, if you suffer from anxiety,

(05:58):
generally you often have kind of a whack a mole
experience like I have, where your anxiety will manifest in claustrophobia,
and then in health anxiety, and then in some mild
OCD or full blown OCD or germ phobia or social
anxiety or panic. You know, it tends to either spread

(06:20):
or just crop up in different ways. And for me,
being a clinician and going to therapy and doing therapy
on myself, I've managed to whack them ole a lot
of these down, but then it crops up somewhere else.
But each time I do it, it gets better, it gets
easier to whack the next version. And I, generally speaking,

(06:41):
have had a lot of non anxious years over the
past I don't know ten years or so, so to
me and I think for a lot of clients, OCD
and generalized anxiety and phobias and the treatment of these
is shoes are all in the same camp. Having said that,

(07:04):
for some people with OCD, hoarding disorder, this kind of thing,
it can be very different from anxiety in that the
person just has kind of either the anxiety is denied
in their conscious mind or it's not really experienced as
anxiety anxiety the way that I might experience anxiety. When

(07:27):
they have OCD or when they have hoarding disorder or something,
it just feels more like an itch that they have
to itch, you know, almost like an addiction, and OCD
can definitely present like that, where they don't feel anxious,
but it's just this overwhelming desire to do a certain thing,

(07:48):
you know, to count the tiles or to flip the
light switch on and off. Now, as I've talked about
in previous episodes, often there's a tremendous amount of anxiety
that's driving the obstat you know, if I don't count
all the tiles, something bat'll happen. You know, There's just
this sense of doom. So sometimes I wonder if people

(08:09):
who report and frame OCD as not having actual anxiety
At times, I wonder if those individuals just aren't very
aware of the anxiety or they frame it differently, you know,
they frame it as an itch rather than terror. And
you know, when we talk about this kind of anxiety,
it's it's kind of weird, right because if you're not

(08:32):
actually afraid of, say, getting a disease, but you have
this thought in your mind, like you must turn the
lights on three times before you can move on with
your day, you know, is that anxiety? Is it distress
because the person often isn't specifically worried about a particular outcome.

(08:54):
You know, some people are some people will you know,
like I had a client that literally would not step
up on a crack because he thought that if he
stepped on a crack, he would break his mother's back,
like the childhood saying goes. He thought, not necessarily that
he'd break his mama's back, but that something bad would
happen to his mom. He consciously knew that that was ridiculous,

(09:16):
but what if, you know, and he obsessed on looking
down whenever he was outside and would never step on
a crack, you know, that kind of stuff. So it
is that So sometimes it is anxiety and it's very
known to people. But anyway, so overall, you know, whatever DSM.
But honestly, if I had it my way, OCD would

(09:36):
still be in the anxiety disorders and maybe just expanding
it a little bit like anxiety and compulsive disorders or
something in that chapter, because OCD is hard enough to
understand for clinicians that don't have anxiety or OCD, and
to have it in its own category. I see some clinicians,

(09:57):
some novice clinicians, thinking of OCD more as a compulsion
rather than an anxiety driven obsession that results in compulsion.
But I don't know. If it was in the anxiety chapter,
would that increase people's ability to understand it? You know
who knows? All right, take a break, all right, back

(10:20):
from the breaks. So I wanted to do an opp
patron shout out to those patrons who have the letter
L in their name, And we have Lily from Eugene, Oregon,
who has been a patron since twenty fifteen, which I

(10:41):
think I well October fourth, twenty fifteen specifically, and I
think I started Patreon in September, so Lily would be
one of the very first peep In fact, I think
I know Lily. I think Lily, you go by a
different name, and you came to one of our live events.
And then we have Liz, Liz from I think Liz

(11:04):
was from the Midwest and also joined in twenty fifteen
and also came to an event. I believe if you're
the same Liz. And we have Lewis from Rochester Hills,
Michigan and also twenty fifteen. And we have Leanne from
God knows where since twenty fifteen. We have Noah from
Gotten knows over twenty sixteen. We have Leanne from Spruce Pine, Alabama,

(11:28):
twenty seventeen. I wonder how many Alabama people we have
that doesn't usually come up. Karen from Hong Kong, twenty seventeen,
thank you so much. We have Lexi from New York,
New York, twenty seventeen. Lindsay from Bellevue, Washington, just near Seattle,
twenty seventeen. Bellvy is where Stacey grew up, which is
just near Assaquah, which is where I grew up. Linda

(11:49):
from Squim, Washington. Go to Old Squim the Banana Belt
as they call it. Twenty sixteen. If you watched ninety
Day Fiance that's where. Oh what were their names? Was it? Natalie?
Remember the guy that lived in the middle of the
woods and the woman from Ukraine anyway, that's near I

(12:10):
think that's that was swim right and Kat from Taylorsville, Georgia,
twenty seventeen. Jill good old Jill from Falmouth, Maine twenty wait,
I think we named Jill in a different opp Liz
good to Liz from Indianapolis, Lara or Lara I always

(12:32):
get that wrong. From Parma in Italy twenty seventeen. Tr
good old tr from Seattle, good old Seattle. So thank
you so much to you all for having an L
in your name and being a patron for so long,
I mean, you know, ten years for some of y'all, which,
uh you know I could not do this without you

(12:55):
throughout the years I mean, and please stay a patron
because I want to do this longer. So yeah, let's
go on to an email. This email is from anonymous listener.
She says, I fired my previous therapists for crossing some
boundaries with me. I fired my previous therapists for crossing

(13:18):
some boundaries with me. I'm sorry that that happened. Anonymous listener,
and when I started therapy with my current therapist, I
told him that one of my goals in therapy is
to heal from the trauma my previous therapist caused me,
and he was really helping me. Okay, well, I'm anonymous listener.
I'm glad that you gave therapy another shot going on.

(13:41):
But about a year and a half ago, there was
a weird moment where it seemed like he was looking
at my breasts and I felt like there was this
weird tension between us, which made me really uncomfortable. I
convinced myself that I was making it up and that
I was just being paranoid. But recently we talked about
that moment and he pretty much told me that although
he's trying not to bring his feelings into our therapy,

(14:04):
sometimes I can notice them and it doesn't have to
mean that I'm being paranoid. He said, he's not saying
he has feelings for me, but also he's not saying
that he doesn't have feelings for me. When we talked
about it later, he sort of implicitly said that he
did look at me the way I thought that he did,
just chiming in here. Yikes, going on. After my previous therapist,

(14:28):
I decided to choose another male therapist because I wanted
to repair the relational trauma I had towards men, which
is also connected to me being abused as a child. Okay,
so just chiming in here, you had a therapist that
crossed boundaries and harmed you, that was a man, and
then you chose another therapist because you're a strong person
and thought, well, I need to do some repair from

(14:51):
the previous therapist and from men in my childhood or
a man in my childhood. And so that was a
brave move. And then you have this second therapist that
is also having some trouble here going on. But now
I'm not sure if the current situation is helping me
to repair it or is it making it worse. But
I know my current therapist wouldn't cross the same boundaries

(15:12):
that my previous therapist did, So maybe the experience of
him not harming me, even though he might have some feelings,
can be helpful for my recovery. I'm not asking for
advice on what to do, but would be interested in
your thoughts on this type of situation. End of email. Yeah, well,
a lot of possibilities. One is that you're completely safe
and that yes, this is maybe the perfect sort of

(15:36):
therapeutic scenario for you to recover because he is maybe
having some level of countertransference or feelings towards you, but
will never act on it because he cares and is
a good person who can handle himself, you know, and

(15:57):
that would be the perfect thing to repair, you know.
Like if you had a woman therapist who never had
these kind of feelings towards you, maybe it wouldn't give
you an example of someone that resembles your past but
acts in a different way, you know, and so it
wouldn't have the sort of corrective experience punched that this would.

(16:20):
On the other hand. Oh, and to stay in that
camp of optimism, there are a lot of therapists out there.
I wouldn't say it's the majority, but a good number
of them that adhere to the philosophy that you should
never create a crazy making situation for your client, in
that if you have some kind of feeling, which is

(16:42):
normal and fine, you know, for a therapist to have
physical attraction to a client is human and there's nothing
wrong with that. And I would never shame a therapist
for having it. You can't help it. It just happens.
And for some therapists they adhere to to the philosophy
that to deny that would actually be harming the client

(17:05):
because the client will be picking up on it subconsciously,
and to create a double bind or a crazy making
situation where you deny it can really screw with a
client's head. And it's argued that if you actually confirm
that what they're picking up on is accurate, you're actually

(17:26):
reinforcing their judgment right. You're saying you are a good
judge of character, you are reading things right, and I
don't want to essentially gaslight you by acting like it's
not happening. So that's one philosophy. I don't adhere to
that philosophy in this situation personally, but you know, i'd

(17:49):
stand by someone that did. I personally think that if
you're going to introduce that, it really just creates this
complication for the client that you just don't need. You know,
if you're having a mild attraction, which it kind of
sounds like this therapist might be having, you know, where
the therapist just was noting her breasts and was like, oh,

(18:12):
those are attractive, or you know who knows I think
that what he should do. If I had a student
or a supervis that was asking me what to do,
you know, we'd have a long conversation about their sort
of philosophy, and as long as they weren't of that
philosophy to constantly be radically honest all the time, I

(18:33):
would say that they should definitely not tell the client.
They should definitely stop looking at the breasts. They should
definitely work on this stuff and talk with me about
it whenever they want to and figure out what's going
on with them. Because for a therapist to particularly have

(18:54):
intense feelings towards a client, it's ninety nine, if not
one hundred percent of the time because the therapist is
not getting their needs bet outside of therapy. You know,
that's my opinion that that is shown in a lot
of the data, and it's my experience in that I
feel pretty good about my life regarding getting my needs

(19:16):
bet in that way and have always been pretty good
about that, you know, just not being neglectful of all
my needs, including those needs. And therefore, when I'm sitting
down in front of a client, it's not going to
sneak out because I don't have unmet needs generally speaking,
you know, so I don't generally experience those kinds of

(19:38):
feelings towards a client, or if I do, it's so
fleeting and minor and more intellectual, like, oh, that person's
attractive anyway, moving on. And I have so much nurturing
energy in my heart for my clients that it completely
eclipses anything else that would be happening. I'm not saying
I'm better than other people, but I'm just saying that

(20:02):
it's not hard to have a well balanced life so
that it doesn't interfere with your work with clients. But
also as what's happening here, would it have been better
if the therapist one just didn't stare at the breasts
and two just said something else, you know, like you

(20:26):
could the therapists could say, like, oh, so you were
picking up on some energy with me. Huh, well, one,
I'll never cross any boundaries to I don't have those
kind of feelings for you. And you know, the therapists
could argue that they're not lying because how do you
define those feelings? You know? And would the client be

(20:48):
better off because of that? You know? I don't, I
think so, honestly, because introducing this question into the room.
It can really be distracting and and in itself is exploitative.
You know, like the client that's writing in here, you know,
the listener who's writing in a boundary has you know,

(21:10):
like an official boundary hasn't been crossed, but a sort
of boundary and violation has occurred. A boundary crossing has
occurred in a it can feel violating for the therapist
to admit it sounds like giving some kind of vague
impression or communication to the client that he was indeed

(21:30):
sexually attracted to her and was looking at her breasts.
It really throws a wrench in the trust in what's happening,
in the feeling that you get from a therapist. Everything
starts to get filtered through that. You know, is the
therapist really listening to me? Or is the therapist sexually

(21:51):
fantasy like what's happening? And again, like I said, there
there is an argument for being honest and real and
human while also having very firm boundaries and keeping the
frame of therapy and just admitting that humans are humans
and there's nothing wrong with sexual attraction. Yeah, you know,
so that could be happening. But unless you're really good

(22:12):
at it, and you really know what you're doing, and
you have a lot of consultation and experience and supervision
around this. I just I don't understand why therapists can't
just shut up about it and deal with it on
their own, you know, just keep it in your pants
and figure out how to get your needs met, and

(22:33):
you know, just stop anyways, take a break back from
the break. So I thought I would do another opp
this time with the letter n as in Nancy. We
have Veronica Needler from twenty fifteen, also from October, so

(22:53):
Veronica thinks for standing up right in the very very beginning.
We got Neil from twenty sixteen. We have NB from Pasco, Washington,
twenty sixteen, Nathan good Old Nathan from God Knows Where
twenty sixteen, Noah from twenty sixteen, Janelle from Montlake, Terras Wait.
I think we did Janelle because a different letter had
come up, maybe Jay or something. Nick from Kalamazoo, Michigan

(23:18):
from twenty seventeen, Michael from Canton, Georgia, Nick from twenty seventeen,
Nauri from Seattle, Nina from Edmonton, Alberta twenty eighteen, Nicool
from Monticello New York, twenty eighteen. Thank you so much
for becoming a patron and having the letter M in

(23:39):
your name. The next emails from patron Natcho from Southwest France.
He says, I'd like to know your opinion about the
insanity plea or insanity to defense in the US judicial system.
A penny for your thoughts, cheers and of email. Yeah, well, opinion.

(24:00):
It's complicated, and I studied forensic psychology and a fair
amount of that involves the insanity defense. And you know,
I'm forgetting all my terminology. It's been a while, but
so okay, where do I begin? The principle I absolutely

(24:26):
stand behind, stand behind in that due to mental illness
and episodes of mental illness, individuals can be very very different,
be in a very very different state of mind, and
or believe things that are so out of the ordinary

(24:50):
and disjointed from reality that they don't really know what
they're doing, you know. So imagine that you have someone
who's schizophrenic and fully delusional. And by the way, this
is not typical of people with schizophrenia, but it does
happen at times where someone is completely delusional and they
believe that their neighbor is literally the devil, and that

(25:13):
their neighbor is trying to kill them and their family
and is going to do so at midnight tonight unless
they do something about it. Well, if that were a
real situation, we could understand that the person with schizophrenia
is acting out of self defense when they attack their neighbor. Right,

(25:33):
but they're delusional. So let's say that they get treatment
and after the crime, they get treatment and they're no
longer delusional. How culpable are they now? We could ask
other questions like did they know they had schizophrenia and
did they go off their medication six months prior and

(25:54):
risk having that delusional episode? Or was this the very
first episode they've ever had, Or did they have the
episode because they were strung out on meth or did
they have the episode because they had a traumatic brain
injury or something. You know, there's a lot of different
questions to ask, and all those questions are explored when

(26:15):
you are seeking that you know, determination by the try
or fact in court. So it's complicated and I absolutely
stand by it because if we're trying to reduce crime,
then we have to understand why someone committed the crime,
and if someone commits a crime while they are having

(26:39):
a break from reality, then that should be recognized in
court and the sentence should reflect that. Should they go
to prison or should they go to a mental health
institution so that they can get the treatment, and maybe
even post you know, incarceration or post hospitalization, maybe they'll
be required to check in with a probation person to

(27:01):
make sure that they're compliant with medication, you know what
I mean. So we're addressing a specific factor that leads
to crime that is more suitable to why it happened.
I'm a little distracted because the neighbor's dogs are barking,
which is sort of triggering my dogs to bark, and

(27:22):
it's driving me nuts. It's really distracting. I don't think
you can hear it, but we have these new neighbors
that have these really barking dogs, and the neighbors don't
do anything about It drives me nuts. I mean, my
dog's bark God bless, but you know, just leaving them
outside to bark for an hour a day straight, just
constant fucking barking, it's just so fucking ag Just bring

(27:44):
your dogs inside. That's what we do. Anyway, where was
I so with the insanity defense, there's another Most people
think of the insanity defense as a way to get
away with something, but that is not the case. If anything,

(28:06):
if you are found to be insane at the time
of the crime and convicted of that, and say it
was murder, and if it wasn't found that you were
insane at the time of the crime, then you would
have served you know, let's say fifteen years. There's a
chance that being determined insaying at the time of the crime,

(28:28):
you will be in you know, you'll be behind bars
for the rest of your life. Because when it comes
to the insanity defense, it works differently, typically depending on
the state and the jurisdiction and the ruling and the
crime and stuff. But often what that means is that
at a certain point in time, the psychiatrist or a

(28:49):
team of psychiatrists have to sign off that you are
safe to leave. And culturally or the way that it
works among these assessors is that they have a very
high bar to release someone into the public. I don't

(29:09):
know exactly why that is, but I could speculate as
to why that would be so for a lot of
people if they're found insane at the time of the
crime that is not just excusing it or letting them
go in a lot of ways means that they are
perhaps being treated unfairly by the justice system. And so sometimes,

(29:33):
you know, like if I had a friend who was
thinking about claiming to be insane at the time of
the crime, I would caution them against it, because they
might end up in prison forever. Having said that, there
are some people that are viably released very early even
though they committed murder, because they are compliant with medication,

(29:54):
and there's enough reason to believe that if they are
monitored regarding medication and checking in with their professionals, that
they won't become delusion delusional and therefore are very low
risk of pricidivization. You know. That's anyway, so I'm sort
of rambling. The other thing I'll say is that it

(30:15):
can be kind of hard to determine insanity at the
time of the crime, because a lot of the assessment
has to do with asking the you know, the defendant
about their state of mind, and people can fake things.
And although a lot of people in my profession, you know,
in forensic psychology, whenever I would raise this topic, I

(30:40):
would say things like, well, you know, someone could be
lying really well, particularly today with the Internet giving them
some guidance about how to answer certain questions to get
to act like they're insane at the time of the crime,
are insane at the time of the trial, you know,
incompetent to stand trial. I would get a lot of pushback.

(31:01):
I don't know if it's just my circle or something,
but particularly from professionals, you know, people that were actually
working in forensic psychology. They would clap back very quickly
against me and say, no, no, no, we have ways,
we know how to figure out if someone is malingering
or faking or feigning. We have various different tests, and

(31:22):
you know, I was trained and used a lot of
the same tests, and you know, they're pretty good, but
they're not perfect. And particularly if you have a you know,
if you have an individual who is very good at lying,
they absolutely can get away with it. So it's an
imperfect system and hard to know sometimes. You know, Plus

(31:45):
you can suffer from delusions and schizophrenia and psychosis and
still know the difference between right and wrong. You know,
just because you think that your neighbor is the devil
doesn't necessarily mean that you don't understand that killing someone
is wrong, you know, and how do you answer those questions?

(32:05):
And again you have to go off of not only
what the defendant claims. You know, they would claim on
the stand I was delusion all the time, and can
you believe them or not? And that's not the only
thing that you look at. You look at a pattern.
You ask what other people saw. You know, there's certain
ways that delusional people will act in the moments and

(32:30):
will say things, you know, and particularly once they get
picked up by law enforcement, that kind of thing. You know,
it's complicated. But so you're asking. What my opinion is
is that generally speaking, contrary to popular belief, it's a
pretty good system. If anything the system does is not

(32:50):
flexible enough. If anything, the system doesn't allow the defense
to work as much as it probably should. Very very
few people will even use it in a defense, and
of the people that use it, very few actually are
granted it. So I think that it's reacted against unfairly,

(33:20):
if I'm making any sense. Anyway, Let's read another email,
all right. This next emails from annual patron and YouTube
member Tiffany from Nevada. She says, Dear doctor Kirk, I
am a longtime listener, and I have a question about terminology.
I know that you have said the term codependent is
not the same as enmeshment. Just chiming in. Yeah, they're overlapping,

(33:43):
I suppose, but quite different things going on. If a
person had a parent growing up, sorry, overlapping meaning that
you can have both and they often are related, but
you can have one without the other, and not everyone
who is codependent is enmeshed. Anyway. Without getting into the

(34:05):
weeds on this, let's move on. If a person had
a parent growing up that had struggles with substance abuse
then gets into a relationship with someone who does not
use substances but has similar patterns of interaction. Okay, so
just chiming in here the scenario, the hypothetical if a
person had a parent growing up that had struggles with
substance abuse. Okay, so first of all, First of all,

(34:27):
if you have a parent that has substance abuse, that
does not mean that you are going to be codependent
or unmeshed. It doesn't even necessarily mean that you'll have
any kind of complex at all around it. But and
it's an oversimplification that people will have that. If you
have an alcoholic parent that you automatically will be codependent

(34:48):
or u messed or something. That's just definitely not the
case according to research and my experience. But anyway, so
if a person had a parent growing up that had
struggles with substance abuse, okay, and then gets in to
relationship with someone who does not use substances but has
similar patterns of interaction, okay, just timing in so that
similar patterns of interaction meaning that they are rageful or

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I don't know it just or they're underfunctioning in some way,
or they're addicted to a behavior like gambling. I don't
know exactly. There's a lot of different things you could
slot in there, But would that person be labeled as
codependent or unmessed? Thank you? And of email? It completely depends.
So if someone well, it wouldn't matter what the I mean,

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It obviously matters what the childhood is. But you can
grow up with a parent who struggles with substance abuse
and like I said, not have any noticeable effects growing up,
depending on the protective factors and therapy and all that
kind of stuff. So really what we're asking is what
terminology do we use for someone who is in a

(36:03):
relationship with someone that has behaviors that are like someone
who suffers from addiction but is an addicted to substances,
which it really depends on what sort of thing you're
referring to. But yeah, generally speaking, in the past, we
might call that person codependent because you have a dependent

(36:25):
like person and then you have the co dependent, which
is the copilot to the dependency. But today we wouldn't
necessarily use that language because we don't know, you know,
we don't know if their partner is a copilot in
the problem. And also in today's language, in the language

(36:49):
I like to use, we like to use the word
codependent as a form of a personality disorder that's oriented
towards overfunctioning and finding an underfunct to match up with.
So there are too many other questions. Is the person
who has addiction like behaviors are they underfunctioning in general

(37:12):
personality wise, because in all likelihood their partner is codependent,
but we don't know. You know, you can have an
underfunctioner who pushes someone to be sort of overfunctioning, but
that person is anyway, listen to my whole deep dive
on codependency because I kind of go into that you know.
So the other thing I wanted to do today is
something that I've wanted to do for a long time.

(37:35):
I often want to do it with Burdo, but I
never get around to it, so I just thought I
would tack it at the end of this episode. So
I'm going to end this episode by just talking about
the various different TV shows and movies that I've watched lately,
because I don't know, I just have to get a

(37:57):
lot of things off my chest, and you know, maybe
you'll be into and from the onset, I'll say that
TV shows and movies are art, and like any art,
whether it's a painting or a song or a musical
artist or whatever, is experienced by people in different ways.
So if you like something that I didn't like, that's

(38:20):
normal and doesn't mean that you're a bad person or
I'm a bad person or we couldn't get along, and
vice versa. If I like something that you hated, it
doesn't mean I'm stupid. It's actually kind of astonishing to me,
you know, Like when I hear that someone loves country music,
I just think, Okay, yeah, a lot of people like

(38:41):
country music. I hate country music, but you know, it's
just the product of my upbringing. Literally, no one I
knew listen to country music growing up, and I don't
know if I know a single person. I think I
have a friend who might listen to country sometime, but

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I don't know anyone who listens to country music. In fact,
most people I know hate it as well. And you know,
and so I just grew out of that culture. But
I also understand that a lot of people at country music,
which is fine, and there's very different kinds of country music.
So if I like, if someone likes a TV show
that I hate, Like if someone liked episode nine Rise

(39:25):
of Skywalker Star Wars, that's fine. You know my parents
liked it. Does that mean that they're stupid or wrong
or something. No, So just understand that. Everyone take a breath.
So I am looking at my IMDb ratings, and I'm
just going to look at the things that I've rated recently.

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So I last night I watched I rewatched Black Panther
from twenty eighteen, and originally I gave it an eight
out of ten, but I bumped it down to a
seven because although seven is a pretty high number for me,
I preserve seven's for a solidly good recommend movie it.
I think I was just swept up in the magic

(40:06):
of the movie at the time. Rewatching it, it did
not have any of that magic anymore, you know, and
God bless the actor who died. But yeah, so I
you know, took it down from an eight to or seven.
I also watched a Minecraft movie, and although I liked
the beginning, throughout the you know, it's not made for me.

(40:30):
It's made for tweens who like Minecraft, and from my understanding,
they loved it, chicken Jockey the whole thing. But as
a movie, just as a movie, it had a pretty
weird structure, and there were scenes that I was actually
fast forwarding through basically whenever they did minecrafty things. I

(40:52):
like Minecraft. I've played it. I liked the characters. I
liked the five people that you know, the cast. I
like it when they were interacting and having their character
story arcs, which were pretty minimal, but I like that.
But whenever they were fighting and flying through CGI landscapes,
I was completely bored. It wasn't very exciting. So I

(41:17):
gave it a three out of ten. But you know,
that movie's not made for me. I've been watching It's
always sunny in Philadelphia the new season, and although I
liked the first couple episodes, the third episode, the one
with all the peppers and the EMT and stuff, I
thought that episode was pretty bad honestly, which is hard
to say, so I gave it a four out of ten.

(41:37):
The Penguin TV Show on HBO Max I rated that
at eight out of ten. The first half is very
different from the second half of that season. The first
half I thought was some of the best TV we've
ever seen, or I've ever seen. The second half, I
don't know. It felt like rust Or but eight out
of ten good. And Or of course season two I

(41:58):
just love that show, and Or season one. Season two
plus Rogue one is some of the most fantastic just
you know, TV and movies of all time, but also
in the Star Wars universes by far the best stuff
to me, but you know, you can have your own opinion.
I watched Alien Romulus, which is the most recent Alien

(42:20):
movie from last year, and I liked it. I gave
it a six out of ten. I really liked the beginning.
It's very classic Alien. I liked all the characters and
it had none of that sort of Ridley Scott silliness
of everyone acting like an idiot. But the second half
it just seemed like that it just became real action y,
and I don't like long, boring action scenes, as what

(42:43):
I'm trying to say. Although I love I rewatched the
Dungeons and Dragons movie Honor among Thieves I have, I'm
finding myself watching that movie like every month, once a month,
and every time I laugh and I cry, and I'm
just I don't know, I'm a D and D nerd.
But I think it's also just a really good movie.
I think it's really well written. It moves fast, it

(43:07):
has a lot of action scenes right, but it's but
the action has story to it, and it's not drawn
out the way that a lot of these movies have
really drawn out long sequences of just massive cgi and
there's no story arc to it. You know, like in
the Dungeons of Dragons movie, they meet up with this

(43:28):
very overweight red dragon, which has its own comedy but
absolute peril to it. You know, you're really worried about everybody,
and the way they get out of it is very
much story oriented in that you have Chris Pine telling
the Sorcerer to do something I don't know it just
and the Paladin is like, I'm seeing a Harper step

(43:53):
into his shoes again. You know, It's it's just I
just think it's one of the most satisfying rich And
they have this whole storyline where Holga meets up with
her ex husband played by Bradley Cooper, and it's very
touching and very sweet but also story oriented, and I

(44:15):
don't know, it's just amazing. I went and saw Superman
in movie theaters, the new one, twenty twenty five. I
liked it. I gave it an eight out of ten.
Maybe I was just in that mood. The ending kind
of has that long, drawn out cgi fight, but the
whole thing. People are criticizing it, and I was worried
about having too many characters, like it just has so

(44:38):
many characters that you're trying to introduce for the first time.
But I thought that James Gunn wrote it in a
way that it didn't feel bloated, but it was. It
was so nice. You know, I'm a fan of the
Christopher Reeves first two movies. The you know, Superman three
and four and eighties are horrible, especially for so let's

(45:01):
not make let's not venerate all of those movies. But
and you know, I didn't mind Man of Steel, the
Zach Snyder version, but it's not my Superman. This is
my Superman, and the actor who plays Superman is great,
and the colors and the style and the saving of
the people, and it was goofy. There's definitely some real

(45:25):
goofy campiness to it, but I enjoyed it. One Night
in Idaho is a documentary about the Idaho college murderers
that happened. I don't It's a documentary that came out
in twenty twenty five and it's on Prime and I

(45:45):
don't know why. I think I saw some new story about,
you know, these college kids that were murdered kind of
randomly by this guy who was a graduate student in
kind of weirdo and stuff, and I decided to watch
this documentary and it's it's it's I gave it a
five out of ten because they kind of strung it

(46:10):
out a lot. There was a lot of and you know,
I respect that. So the documentary was good and I
support it because it really focused on the victims. You know,
it wasn't just about the salacious murders and the blood
and the true you know, it It really focused on
the community and the family members and the victims and

(46:31):
showed a lot of pictures and talked about, you know,
their good qualities, and so instead of glorifying the murderer,
it's glorifying the victims, which should be done. But it's
not very compelling, very compelling to me to just watch
hours and hours of people talking about how great the

(46:52):
victims were, you know, and I found that they seemingly
were stringing out the story. I guess I was wondering, Okay,
so what happened? You know. I was halfway through I
don't know, like four or five episodes, and I still
wasn't clear what the crime was exactly, you know, so
you know it's worth the while. I recently rewatched The

(47:19):
Suicide Squad Wait, right, so from twenty twenty one, you know,
the second one, the one with the guy who shoots
out the polka dots and stuff. I gave it a
seven I think is that a James Gunn I think so?
And seven out of ten fun, you know, not amazing.
I recently watched Kunk on Life, you know, I think

(47:43):
her full character name is Philamina. Kunk gave it a
seven out of ten. I find her humor to be funny.
Some people find her humor to not be funny, but
I find it to be funny. Some people think she's
being real, which I find to be interesting. I recently

(48:05):
rewatched My Blue Heaven from nineteen ninety with Rick Moranison
Steve Martin, very goofy movie, but I liked it seven
out of ten. I recently watched Man of Steel again,
and well, yeah, I guess I gave it a three
out of ten. So I've fluctuate. I think I've watched
Man of Steel the Superman movie from twenty thirteen, oh

(48:28):
that long ago. I think I've watched it three times
in overtime, and I think the first time I was like, yeah, fine.
I think the second time I was like, oh, maybe
it's better than I thought it was. But recently rewatching
it in the lead up to the more recent Superman movie,
I was like, actually, this movie has a lot at
the beginning I liked, but as the movie progresses, it

(48:51):
just it's so, I don't know, just kind of boring. Honestly,
I recently watched the movie Day from twenty or from
nineteen ninety five. Basically, the plot of this movie is
that Kevin Klein looks like the President and has called

(49:13):
in to be a body double for the president. And
then the president falls ill, and this look alike stands
in for the president and acts a lot different, right,
He's more real, And I thought it'd be a I
remember liking it, and I watched it and liked it again.
I gave a some ten Mission Impossible. I watched that

(49:36):
in the theater. It came out twenty twenty five. I
think it's like Mission Impossible eight is another way to
say it. It's the eighth movie with Tom Cruise. And
I went in with very low expectations because the last
few Mission Impossible movies I find to be overly dramatic
and melodramatic and talkie and exposition y and confusing. It time,

(50:00):
and I was delighted. I gave it a seven out
of ten. I thought that this most recent one did
not suffer from what the previous iteration of Mission Impossible.
And I thought it, you know, delivered on what it
was trying to do. It's you know, it's not it's
a fun popcorn movie. It is a thing, you know.

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Oh my god, I want to talk about the Residents.
I'm kind of late to the game with this. But
I have watched this show two and a half times
through now I'm watching it a third time. So if
you don't know, it's a Netflix mini series ten episodes
or eight episodes. Moves very quickly, just came out in

(50:43):
twenty twenty five, and it's it's a murder mystery in
the White House, and it's a comedy. And I so
often I'll be working late at night and I'll go
upstairs to get a you know, glass of water or something,
and I'll walk through the living room and I'll and
I'll see Stacey is watching something. Often she's watching ninety

(51:06):
Fiance or Love is Blinder or some other show like
what's the one with This Is Life? Or the one
that anyway that you know that one show, or she'll
be watching other kinds of dramas like that. But she
she was watching The Residents. And I will sometimes pause

(51:32):
and just watch TV for like a few seconds with her,
and I pause, and I started watching The Residence with her,
and it was like on the episode three or something,
and I didn't know what I was watching, but I
knew that it was good, like right away. I didn't
I didn't know what was happening. I was just like, Oh,
the writing and the editing and the acting and everything
is just I don't even know what's happening. And I'm entertained.

(51:56):
And so I quickly later that night decided to watch
that show and I binged the entire show in one evening.
It's eight episodes. I was up till like five in
the morning. I mean, because it you know, it's a
who done it? So you're like, oh, who done? But
it is also just so funny and so interesting, and

(52:20):
so it's edited so well, and the message is subtle
but powerful to me anyway, the protection of the American
institutions that are important and uphold the true American way,
which is to lead the way with freedom and equality,

(52:44):
you know. And it's not it doesn't have that explicit message,
but it has an adjacent message anyway. But the editing
and the acting and the and the comedy and the
characters and it's just so. And then towards the end
of the season, we learn about these two other characters

(53:05):
that have a connection, and we spend some time with them,
and we've only seen them in the background, and all
of a sudden we get to know them and it's
one of the most touching love stories I've ever seen,
you know, And it's just this side story of this
larger who done it? And you know, the whenever you
have these kind of murder mystery things, the reveal at

(53:29):
the end is never completely satisfying, you know, But that's
not the point. And I knew that watching it that
in all likelihood, as they presented suspects to us, you know,
like the pastry stuff and that kind of thing, I
was suspecting that none of these people are the murderer.
Because it's eight episodes, so there's a certain way that

(53:51):
they'll do a story arc about this sort of thing,
you know, And I just figured that I was not
going to be able to predict who did it. And
I don't know. I loved Al Franken and the story
with the other senator. I think her name was Bix.
She's sort of a better version of Marjorie Taylor Green,

(54:14):
I think. And I don't know just everything. So and
I'm watching a third time and there's things I didn't
notice the first time through. And I love the whole
birding kind of joke along the way, and I love
the fact that the detective is good but she's not
magical like the way that Sherlock Holmes is often portrayed

(54:39):
in movies and TV as essentially being like magical. She's
human and makes mistakes. She actually makes a number of
mistakes and even admits it. She's at some point later
in the season she's like, oh, I didn't Why didn't
I see that? Ah, I'm so stupid, And you're like, well,

(55:00):
I mean, how could you notice that thing? But at
the same time, it's just nice to not have a magical,
you know, all good, all knowing, omnipotent person at the
center of a story like this, you know, because typically
they'll they'll do that, and I don't know, it's just
a really you know, there'll be a season two, and

(55:23):
I'm guessing it'll suck, because you know, any successful show
will eventually catch the eye of the you know, the
people who hold the money, you know, the producers and
the studio, and once they get their hands on something,
they always ruin it. So I don't have high hopes
for season two. But season one I thought was great.

(55:47):
I recently rewatched Stuck on You from two thousand and three.
I think it's a fairly Brothers movie. Yeah, and it
stars Matt Damon and Greg Kinnear and it's not great.
I gave it a four out of ten. It's fine.
I also rewatched the movie from from ninety nine from

(56:09):
nineteen ninety six John Travolta in the movie Phenomenon, and
I gave it a three out of ten. It's you know,
it's fine for what it sets out to do, but
it's pretty boring and goofy. I finally watched Jack Black's
Goliver's Travels movie from twenty ten, and it's terrible. It

(56:31):
is so not funny and the script is awful. I
don't even understand the tone of the movie. I gave
it a three out of ten. I mean it's, you know,
it's not awful awful, but it's not like a one
out of ten to my mind. And I'll check in
again with y'all, like if you love Golver's Travels and
you are upset that I didn't like it, like you know,

(56:51):
just release that and say, you know, the chance of
us aligning on everything isn't going to be there. I
finally watched the movie Stay Tuned from nineteen ninety two
with John Ritter, in which they get sucked into cable
television or satellite television. It has some very funny moments,

(57:12):
particularly in the beginning. I gave it a five out
of ten, but overall it just kind of spins out
of control. Okay, I have to tell you about a
movie that I watch every year called Youth and Revolt
two thousand and nine with Michael Sarah. It is a
ten out of ten for me. I love this movie.
It's kind of like Wes Anderson. Oh, I want to

(57:33):
get back to the Residence. People are saying the Residence
is kind of like Wes Anderson, But I don't understand
why people are saying that, because it's I mean, I
guess kind of in its cartoony way. I guess it is.
But the only thing that's reminiscent of Wes Anderson are
the title screens, which have these sort of childish drawings

(57:54):
that kind of look like a Wes Anderson graphic, and
they will zoom out of the White House and show
it as like a dollhouse, you know, and Wes Anderson
will do that as well, like with Steve z Sue
Life Aquatic, right, they would pull out from the ship
and you could see all the different rooms or He'll

(58:15):
do that in other movies as well, like in a House,
he'll make it kind of look like a dollhouse, and
they do that with The White House, And yeah, I
guess that kind of is a thing that Wes Anderson does,
but it's certainly not Wes Anderson didn't invent it. And
I would not say The Residence is comedically or tonally
anything like a Wes Anderson movie. But anyway, but Youth

(58:36):
and Revolt is kind of Wes Anderson the if. It's
sort of like if you're a fan of Wes Anderson's
first movie, which is a Bullet something, right, what's the
it's the Luke and Owen Wilson and anyway, it what's

(58:56):
a bullet Anyway, it's the very first movie, and it's
darker and more and it doesn't have all that cutesiness
in it and so which I love, by the way,
I love the cuteseness of Wes Anderson, although I haven't
loved his more recent movies, although I understand he has
a movie coming out soon anyway, But Youth Revolts Michael Sarah.

(59:18):
It is I don't know, there's there's just it's I
could see how people would hate this movie, and I
think it got bad reviews, but I love it. It's
at a time in Michael Sarah's career where he could
do no wrong. I mean, there were so many great
movies that he was in around that time. I'm just
gonna look on IMDb and look at his the movies

(59:40):
he was making in the late aughts. Let's see here.
So if I do that and look at all of
this scrolled down on the list. Okay, so he is
first in super Bad, so you know, he's first in
Arrested Development, which is one of my favorite shows of

(01:00:01):
all time. Then he's cast as super Bad. I actually
rewatched some scenes from super Bad, and it doesn't age
well that movie. It still has some really funny moments,
but it's it's interesting to watch that movie from two
thousand and seven, you know, almost twenty years ago, and
just see it through a different lens and they're like, oh,

(01:00:21):
I don't know, the same year he's in JUNEO, which
to me, almost age is better as the years go
on in some ways. Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist, which
I enjoyed, gave us seven out of ten. I only
watched that one. I loved Year one with Jack Black.
I gave that at ten out I watched that once

(01:00:42):
a movie once a year. I understand people hate that movie,
which I can understand. Youth and Revolt ten out of ten.
Scott Scott Pilgrim, you know, eight or nine out of ten.
So in the span of just like a couple of years,
he made all those great movies and then he's he's
just in like some real duds like The Crystal Fairy

(01:01:04):
and The Magical Cactus was terrible. I think it was
a script thing, but I also think Michael Sarah was
starting to kind of go off off the deep end
some and some, and then he was in This is
the End, you know that sort of bro movie with
all those bro guys. I gave it a five out
of ten. It's funny, there are some funny moments, but
it's I don't know, it's a little I don't know,

(01:01:27):
a little goofy. He was a voice of The Sausage Party,
which I loved eight out of ten. Lego movie Batman.
He plays Robin Right, He's I love that eight out
of ten. Apparently he's in Twin Peaks. I couldn't watch
the reboot or the the you know this the next
version of Twin Peaks. I loved Twin Peaks at early nineties.

(01:01:49):
I was absolutely obsessed, but watching it in the more
recent iteration, David Lynch, you know recipes actually worked on it,
and I don't know, I just it was hard to
get through. Yeah. So that's Michael Sarah's filmography. If you're
still listening, God bless you. First, I rewatched Spies Like

(01:02:12):
Us from nineteen eighty five. It has Dan Aykroyd and
what's his face, what's his name? Chevy Chase, And I
remember this movie was very hyped because Chevy Chase was
such a big deal at the time, and it was

(01:02:34):
like everything he was in was considered to be the
best movie of all time. And dan Ackroyd was also
very loved at the time. But this movie, I remember
when I saw it when I was fourteen in the
theaters and thinking, oh, I guess these guys aren't automatically funny. Now.
I rewatched it, and I'm pretty sure Paul McCartney actually

(01:02:57):
sang a song for it, right, And I was really
into Paul McCartney when I was fourteen, you know, the Beatles,
and I just wanted to rewatch it, just to because
I totally forgot what it was about or and it
wasn't horrible, it wasn't great. Five out of ten. Bertoe
and I talked about Black Mirror, so I rated all

(01:03:20):
those episodes. I also recently rewatched the two thousand and
five Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and the beginning is
super funny. The second half is not. And that's the
way the book is. If you've read the book, it
starts out so good, but it becomes I don't know,

(01:03:43):
just a little wandering and not very funny or interesting,
and that's the way the movie is. I also recently
rewatched Old School from two thousand and three, another Bro movie.
Will Ferrell, you know, all those guys, Luke Wilson and
I demoted it probably from a seven to a six.

(01:04:04):
I don't remember. I remember I liked it more in
the past, and I think it's fine. I think it's
got some you know, the ear muffs, and it's got
some it's got a good storyline, and it's a lot
of it doesn't age well. But yeah, but I wasn't
laughing as much as I was back in the day.

(01:04:27):
I finally watched pop Star Never Stop, Never never stopped,
never stopping. In twenty sixteen, you know those guys with
what's his name? Adam Andy Sandberg and company, they made
a mockumentary about a pop star. And I always heard

(01:04:50):
that this movie was amazing, and I just never got
around to watching it. So I finally got around to
watching it twenty sixteen. Gave it a six out of ten. Again,
the beginning is strong, and then it just gets a
little like it should have been. Well, i'm looking now,
it's actually ninety minutes, less than ninety minutes. It felt
like longer than that. I feel like they had a

(01:05:11):
forty five minute idea that was stretched out to ninety minutes. Okay.
I finally watched mcgruber, the movie from twenty ten with
Will Forte right. Gave it a seven out of ten.
Solid movie, hilarious. There's very few sketches from SNL that
translate well into movies. Well, getting back to Al Franken,

(01:05:34):
I actually really like the Al Franken movie What's it called?
He plays a He plays a kind of like a
therapist y person. What's it called? You know? Gosh, darn it,
people love you anyway? That movie. I like that one.
There's some others, you know, like Blues Brothers and blah

(01:05:55):
blah blah. Anyway, I also let's see, let's see what's
the other. Oh. I watched for the second time the
movie that came out a few years ago called The
Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. So this is the movie
with Nicholas Cage and Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal plays this

(01:06:17):
really rich guy who is obsessed with movies in Nicholas Cage,
and he pays to have Nicholas Cage come out to
his resort on the Mediterranean and hijinks and Sue and
I don't know if it's just the gen x ness
of the whole movie, but it's hilarious, I find, and

(01:06:37):
the story is touching and it has some good action
in the end. I gave it an out of ten.
I thought it was like touching and funny and I
felt almost kind of like it could actually happen in
some ways. So yeah, I love that movie. I finally
watched g I Jane. I don't know why, maybe because

(01:07:01):
Demi Moore was, you know, being talked about from that
one movie she was in that was nominated for an Oscar.
Did you inin for what was that movie. I actually
did not watch that movie, you know, the one about
you inject yourself and you look young in because I
saw like three seconds of the scene in which Dennis

(01:07:25):
Quaid is eating shrimp and the sound and the camera
up his face, and people were saying it was really gross.
You know. I get the message, and I stand behind
all of that. And it sounds like Demi Moore was great,
wasn't she in the movie? But I, I just I

(01:07:48):
can't handle that, and Stacy really can't handle it. And
since I watched post of my movies with Stacy, I
kept putting it off and then I was just like, yeah,
I just don't. I don't. And it's weird because you know,
there's some movies like Existends if you you know, if
you remember what's his name, Oh, that director who made

(01:08:11):
a lot of really weird movies, you know, Naked Lunch
and all that kind of stuff. Like I'm into that stuff.
I can handle that. But anyway, I think because of that,
I rewatched. I finally watched Gijane. I never watched it
when it came out, and I thought it was actually
not as bad as I thought. I gave it a
five out of ten. It was fine. I could see
people really liking that movie because it has a feminist

(01:08:32):
message for sure, and Demi Moore does a great job,
I think, But the script is, I don't know, it
just didn't really have the omph that I was looking for.
I watched the NETFLI I think it's a Netflix movie, yeah,
called Electric State, the one with UH with Chris Pratt

(01:08:53):
and Millie Bobby Brown. And the thing about Electric State
is that I loved watching it, but the story was
so dumb. There were so many visuals that I thought
were something I'd never seen before, you know, like, wow,

(01:09:14):
that's a really interesting visual you know. A similar movie
was The Creator that came out a few years ago,
the one starring Denzel's Kid, that I similar. I just thought, man,
the visuals and the ideas that are being presented, you know,
similar to actually the TV show Three Body Problem. Some

(01:09:40):
of the ideas and the visuals and scenes are some
of the most interesting things I've ever seen. Same with
Electric States, same with The Creator. Maybe to a lesser
extent with the Electric State, But the script is like
hard to get through. Three Body Problem was easier because

(01:10:01):
it had fewer problems. In my mind, the creator had
more problems, but the Electric State is the script has
so many problems with it, Like I didn't care it
just it just yeah, yeah, I just I finally watched
Michael Clayton because you know, and Or was written and

(01:10:24):
directed by kill Kill Goy what's his name, the guy
who made and Or and wrote it, I think with
his brother and apparently he came on the scene with
Michael Clayton starring George Clooney right from two thousand and seven.
I gave it a seven out of ten. The beginning
again is really good. Later or no, actually reverse, so

(01:10:47):
the beginning is really boring and I'm like, when is
this movie gonna start up? And then about halfway through
it gets going. But even then, so I loved the style,
but I wish that and I respect it's pacing, you know,
I respect a movie that doesn't explain things to everyone.

(01:11:09):
But but someven out of ten, you know, it's let's see,
you know. I watched The Menindez Brothers Netflix show, you know,
as we were purpping for the Deep Dive, and Monsters,
which was the show One Men and His Brothers was
the documentary and Monsters was the TV show. I gave

(01:11:29):
The Menandez Brothers documentary a four out of ten because
it felt a little bloated. And then Monsters the TV show?
Is that is that? Yeah? That's that's the one, right, Monsters?
Let me click on it. Yeah, that's the Menandez Brothers
TV show. I gave it a three out of ten.
I found it to be not very interesting as a

(01:11:50):
as a TV show. Let's see what else is on
my list here. I recently rewatched Deep Impact for some
reason from nineteen ninety eight. Gave it a six out
of ten. It's fine. Sinners okay, so y'all probably have
seen Sinners, the movie with what's his face? Playing two

(01:12:13):
different twins? Michael B. Jordan and I gave it a
six out of ten. I'm guessing y'all hate me for that.
I thought I loved the beginning, loved it. Then when
all the gore and the you know, the horror and
the killing and the blood and the stabbings and the eatings,

(01:12:34):
I was born out of my mind. I'm like, Okay,
everyone was getting killed, but you know, I'm just not
into that kind of movie. And the first half has
nothing to do with It's like it's similar to from
Dust Till Dawn, which is the first half was written
and directed I believe by Quentin Tarantino, and then the

(01:12:55):
second half is written and directed by what's his name,
Spy Kids guy. Anyway, loved the beginning, really don't like
the ending. And Sinners was like that. And Sinners had
a lot of really compelling visuals and story and felt
like I was watching, you know, a period piece, a

(01:13:17):
story that could have happened back in the day, you know,
a story that often isn't told. And you know, the
vampire stuff was compelling in the beginning, you know, like
when those Hillbillies show up. It was exciting and new
and interesting and gritty and felt like something I've never seen.
But then the ending, it felt like I'd seen a

(01:13:39):
lot of movies like that, where it's like everyone's dying.
I was bored out of my mind. Warfare another twenty
twenty five movie. Oh boy, I'm guessing most haven't seen
this movie. Seven out of ten. It's kind of like
Black Hawk Down if it was even more realistic. And
you know, having a friend of mine who died in

(01:14:02):
Afghanistan doing something very similar to this and hearing about
people being injured and from him, and also just being
an American keeping tabs on what our military is doing overseas,
particularly back then. This movie I've found to be one

(01:14:23):
of the most important war movies that's ever been made,
because it's it just is it. It's like a recreation
and there's enough drama in the real story that you
don't have to fictionalize it up. But I don't recommend
watching it honestly, because it's hard to watch and they

(01:14:43):
don't pull any punches, you know, the there's no you know,
the good guys that they're kind of focusing on the
American military guys. They treat the locals horribly, and they
don't pull any punches at all. Recently, we watched the
Untouchables movie with Robert de Niro and Kevin Costner Sean Connery.

(01:15:06):
So I have gone all over the board with the Untouchables.
So I'm right, I'm in the right category. I'm gen X,
I'm a dude, I'm straight, I'm sis. Of course I
like The Untouchables. But when I saw as a kid,
I liked it, and then I watched it again when
I was older, and I hated it. Then I rewatched
it again, and I've probably watched it, you know, a

(01:15:29):
handful of times, and the most recent watching, I gave
it an eight out of ten because I could part
of it, honestly, is that so many movies today don't
have great writing or try to do too much cgi
or something that the Untouchables felt like more I don't know,

(01:15:54):
like a reprieve from all that. But also I think
I just could appreciate what wasn't it Brian de Palma,
what they were trying to do with the movie. So yeah,
but maybe I'll watch it again in five years and
I'll hate it again. I let's see. Oh. I finally

(01:16:18):
watched Some Like It Hot from nineteen fifty nine with
Jack lemon right and Tony Curtis and Marilyn Monroe. Totally
famous movie, right, and everyone has seen it except for me,
and I watched it, and oh my god, it is
a funny ass movie. And I gave it a seven

(01:16:38):
out of ten. A little long, but funny. And that's
the thing, Like, it's two hours long, this movie. So
the idea that all movies are ninety minutes in the past,
I think that's an eighties thing, honestly. Adolescents, The TV
show four episodes I gave it a six out of ten.
Some people might be surprised by that, but I liked

(01:17:00):
the is it the third episode, right, yeah, the third episode,
the one where it's all the forensic assessment. I totally
respect the artistry and the message and the acting. It's
very respectable, you know, it's all one shot, that whole thing.
Very realistic, but not super entertaining, you know, and it's

(01:17:23):
not supposed to be so. I guess I don't know
how to rate it, but in terms of just like
a show that I watched to entertain myself, it was
a six out of ten. I for some reason. These
next movies I don't remember watching recently, but i'll mention
Coreline great movie, nine out of ten. Grave of the

(01:17:45):
Fireflies oof, great movie. Oh my god, Grave with the
Fireflies ten out of ten. Ralph Breaks the Internet Love
that movie eight out of ten. Star Wars A Clone
the Clone Wars TV show eight out of ten. That's
no one I could give like. Some episodes are ten
out of ten, Summer five in Osca, Value of the Wind,

(01:18:05):
you know, what's his face? Miyazaki ten out of ten,
Tangled the Disney, Isn't it Disney? Ten out of ten.
Love that movie. Oh my god. I probably watched Tangled
once a year and laugh my ass off and cry.
I even watch like the featurettes and stuff. There's this

(01:18:26):
featurette with the horse and the ring and anyway. I
recently rewatched The Iron Giant from nineteen ninety nine, ten
out of ten. Just a perfect movie. Akira or Aquita
nineteen eighty eight, perfect movie, ten out of ten. Very important,
Barefoot gen Oh my god, horrible but wonderful ten out
of ten. Similar to Grave with the Fireflies, very important movie.

(01:18:50):
For some reason. I rated over the Hedge the cartoon
from two thousand and six. I remember liking that movie
seven out of ten. Oh. I recently watched bale Wolf
from two thousand and seven. It was like the first
all cgi trying to look realistic movie, I think, and
I love that movie eight out of ten. I could
see how people would hate it, though, Okay. I went

(01:19:11):
on a jag of watching the Madagascar Penguins movies and
similar movies, you know, Kung Fu, Panda, Incredibles, Pengus of Madagascar,
and I gave them all anywhere from seven, eight nine ten.
Pengus of Madagascar from twenty fourteen. I gave ten out

(01:19:32):
of ten. I love that movie. Oh ar Kane. All
y'all might be wondering about my thoughts on Arcane. Okay,
so that's a cartoon. If you're not familiar in Netflix,
it's sort of anime ish, but not anime. I think
it's made by a French company, if I'm not mistaken.
And I was obsessed with the first season. A family

(01:19:58):
member of mine told me to that I might watch
that I might like it, and I started watching it
and I binged. You know, that's when you know you
really like something. You're just like, oh my god, I
don't I don't have to force myself to watch this.
I So the first season I thought was some of
the best TV that's ever been made. The second season
started off and this whole other kind of I don't know,

(01:20:21):
it just felt like a different show to me. They
the storylines changed, there were new characters. I just wanted
them to get back to the original people and to
keep it a little bit more grounded. And I know
that's controversial. There's a lot of fans out there in
the Love Sex season, I did not. I was bored.

(01:20:43):
Moonrise Kingdom. I always love that I watched that once
a year me and it's one of our favorite movies.
We actually went as them at Halloween on one time.
Ten out of ten oh. Stacy and I watched Twisters,
the Twister kind of reboots, if you will, about Hurricanes,
and I thought this was one of the most annoying,

(01:21:05):
stupidest movies I've ever seen. It was almost like the
writer director was trying to annoy me. They were trying
to make this one guy look cool, and all I
could think of was just like, he is a total
do fish d bag, And I know that was kind
of the point, but I don't think that was the

(01:21:26):
point point anyway. But it was also just boring and silly,
and you know that it just it was just so.
I think halfway through the movie, Stacy and I just
turned to each other and said, like, do we have
to watch the rest of this? I recently watched Gladiator
from two thousand, you know Ridley Scott, because I watched

(01:21:49):
Gladiator too and did not like it. I didn't hate it,
but I didn't like it, and I was wondering, you know,
it's the same writer director, so was Gladiator all that
everyone did? It deserve to be loved. Maybe it was
bad and I just didn't have good taste, and I
rewatched it. It's a good movie, but it's not amazing.
I rewatched Legally Blonde, the movie with What's her name?

(01:22:15):
What's her name? Resour Thisman two thousand and one. I
gave it an eight out of ten. I love that movie.
I think it's really funny. Blades of Glory saying ten
out of ten. I think Blade's a glory. I could
see how people would hate it. Will Ferrell and Napoleon
Dynamite guy. I that movie has made for me. I
just find it to be hilarious. Nodding Hill. I saw

(01:22:39):
it when it came out in nineteen ninety nine Julia
Roberts and What's His Face? From all those movies Hugh Grant,
and I remember liking it when it came out, but
rewatching it. I've rewatched it two or three times in
the past year, and I don't know if it just
needed time to grow on me, or if they just

(01:23:02):
don't make rom coms like this anymore. But I think
Notting Hill is a perfect movie ten out of ten.
Everything about it that the scene where Hugh Grant meets
up with his friends and they invite Julia Roberts, who
is this famous actress. You know, she plays a different
famous actress. She's kind of like playing herself in a way,

(01:23:22):
and she comes over for this date and all the
little interactions with the friends and the characters and the
humor and the heart that it has, and oh, I
just think it's a perfect movie. And the way that

(01:23:45):
it is kind of feminist, it's not kind of there's
a definite feminist angle to it that doesn't seem forced.
You know, it's good flow. The cartoon from last year
that I think won an Oscar and it has no dialogue.
It's just about a cat that is trying to survive.

(01:24:05):
Seven out of ten, I don't It wasn't exciting. It
It's kind of boring at times. But the visuals and
you know, you got to watch on a big screen
TV or in the theater because it's it's so magical.
The it's art. Every every frame is like a painting

(01:24:26):
joker to foil a do or whatever. One out of
ten I hated that movie. I thought it was the
goofiest thing. I really wanted to like it. There are
some good scenes, but I just found it to be
all over the place, and it had definite potential. I mean,
the setup, the actors, you know, even at being kind

(01:24:46):
of a weird hallucinatory musical, could have worked on me.
But the it seemed like the script was just lazily,
you know, thrown together, the brutaliss It's first half loved,
second half hated or not hated, but just was like, Okay,
let's wrap this up. Six out of ten. Okay, Wicked,

(01:25:09):
some of you're gonna hate me, but I was meh
on Wicked part one, right, I gave it a five
out of ten. I loved certain parts of this movie.
There were some and I really wanted to. I've wanted to,
you know, I've seen the advertisements on you know, theaters
downtown Seattle, and I've always been like, oh, I got
to go to Wicked. It just seems like the sort

(01:25:31):
of thing I would like. And so finally a you know,
maybe my expectations were too high, but I don't know,
I just kind of felt like I didn't really understand
the storyline. Really. I don't know if I'm just too stupid,
but the involvement of the Wizard, I just I just
didn't really understand what everyone's motivation was, you know, maybe

(01:25:51):
it'll come out in part two. But and you know
the end of the movie when she's like, what's the
what's her life that she's it's not let it go,
but she sings this song and I'm thinking, Okay, yeah,
but why you know, I hear you that people have
been bullying you, which is uncool. But what's happening? I

(01:26:16):
don't know, Like I just was just a little confused.
I think I talked about a Nora. Did I not
talk about a nourra? I loved it ten out of ten.
I recently watched Mobsters from nineteen ninety one for you
Gen xers. You remember this Kristen Slater Patrick Dempsey vehicle
that was trying so hard to be like the Godfather

(01:26:38):
and it is so not It is so bad. It's
two out of ten. Recently we watched Old Brother, We're
Out There ten out of ten, perfect movie. Children of
Men with Clive Owen, perfect movie, ten out of ten.
I think it gets better every time I watch it.
Let's see, I watched Tremor's two. Isn't Kevin Bacon or

(01:27:02):
He's in the first one right? This one has Fred
Ward anyway, not great four out of ten. A real
pain the movie with Kieren Colkin and Jesse Eisenberg seven
out of ten. Great movie. I recently rewatched Troy with
Brad Pitt's two thousand and four six out of ten.

(01:27:25):
Not a horrible movie, not a great movie. I love
history and the legend slash history of Troy. I'm an
amateur kind of history guy, and have studied Homer and
all that Iliad and all that Agamemnon and ki Lee's
and Hector and Paris and all that stuff, and with

(01:27:50):
a greater appreciation of what they were trying to do.
I appreciate what they were trying to do. When I
saw it in two thousand and four, I didn't know
all that history, and so I think I was just
trying to be entertained. But you know, they actually tried
to recreate the original story, and they didn't, you know,
obviously follow it word for word at all. But there

(01:28:11):
are certain story beats, like when the king goes to
Achila Achilles and begs him like there's some you know,
and it's just and it's interesting to know that someone
or a group of people wrote this story thousands of
years before the ancient Greeks or at least hundreds of
years before the ancient Greeks, and how moving this story was,

(01:28:35):
I was passed down, you know, orally, and how it motivated,
motivating the ancient Greeks and then the ancient Romans and
then European you know, like it. This story had global
implications on what it motivated and what it elevated and
the themes of it anyway, it so, you know, sixcept

(01:28:58):
him Charlie Wilson's War. I recently rewatched the one with
Tom Hanks and Julie Roberts and Philip Seymore Hoffan. Oh
my god, Phillip Seamore Hoffman on YouTube. Sometimes I'll just
watch his scenes from this movie because he steals. He
steals the entire movie. And Julia robertson Tom Hanks are

(01:29:20):
great too. And it's a complicated kind of story, and
it's actually a kind of a biopic about I don't know.
It's an interesting kind of weird anomaly in Hollywood at
the time and especially post nine to eleven anyway, spy.
I recently watched twenty fifteen with Melissa McCarthy. I love

(01:29:42):
Melissa McCarthy. I love everything that she's in or that
I've seen This is Paul figu movie, and I love
this movie. Nine out of ten. I think it's hilarious.
I recently rewatched a movie from the eighties, nineteen eighty
just one of the guys. If you're gen X, you

(01:30:03):
might remember this movie. So it stars this or The
story is that you have this high school girl, right,
Let's see, Terry feels discriminated against when the summer jobs
at the Sun Tribune go to two guys. She decides
to do something about it. She dresses like a guy,

(01:30:24):
gets a haircut. Will students at the other high school notice? Yeah,
So it's it was kind of a big deal at
the time, and it's not a great movie. It's two
out of ten. It has some funny scenes. Let's see.
I recently watched a bunch of other movies. I won't

(01:30:46):
bother you with my Let's try to find oh, the
Darkest Hour. I rewatched that one you know about you
know Gary Oldman is playing Churchill, and I loved it
even more second time I watched. I think the first
time I watched that movie, I thought it was going
to be more World War two, but it's you know,
it's obviously very much about World War Two, but it's

(01:31:09):
very focused on on On Churchill. Now I understand that
there's some creative leeway that they're playing around with. You know,
they make Churchill look more of the people when he
was very much aristocratic and elitist. So you know that's

(01:31:31):
not great, but you're trying to sell to a modern audience.
But anyway, Gary Gary Oldman just nails it. I love him.
I was on the record early and Gary Oldman's career
in the mid nineties. I declared back then that Gary
Oldman was the best actor that had ever lived, and
he had yet to be in all of the things

(01:31:53):
that he has been in, and he's just so good.
Let's look at his filmography and then end the episode.
So I'm looking on IMDb and I have to scroll
down a ways. Actually I should just look on Wikipedia
because they'll separate out the movies from the TV shows

(01:32:14):
and all the shorts and stuff. So Wikipedia, Phil Magriffy,
I hate it when Wikipedia doesn't give that option. There
we go, okay, so all right, let's start from the beginning.
I'm just going to tell you the movies that I
remember him from the first movie I saw him in

(01:32:36):
was Sid and Nancy. He plays Sid Vicious. Nineteen eighty six,
perfect movie, so good. There's a bunch of Rosencrantz and
Guildensturn are dead. In nineteen ninety This was kind of
a big deal to me. It's a surreal movie and
it's sort of comedy slash Shakespeare and fan fiction. And

(01:32:59):
when I was nineteen years old and saw this in
the theater, it sort of blew my mind. I've recently
rewatched some scenes from it and find it to be
a little up its own asshole. But the movie I
really remember him from a State of Grace, which is

(01:33:19):
kind of like a crime drama, and it has Sean
Penn and Ed Harris and Robin Wright and John Taturerou
and people won't talk about this movie, but Carry Olden
plays a really great character. And then Henry and June
was also a big deal to me, and I won't
tell you why, but it was. He was in JFK.
He played Lee Harvey Oswald, but he wasn't. But then

(01:33:39):
he was in Bram Stoker's Dracula. He plays Dracula. That
was a big deal. He was in True Romance. He plays,
you know, kind of a funny character in that Romeo
is bleeding Leon, the professional. You know, he plays the
drug addicted bad guy. Mortal Beloved. Another great movie. Let's

(01:34:02):
see Basquiacht Fifth Element. He plays the bad guy air
Force one. He plays a good character in that. I
don't remember Lost in Space. Let's see what's another movie
I'm not gonna Oh he plays you know, a prisoner,
Harry Potter. He plays a serious black right, It's not

(01:34:22):
a huge role, but it's there. Batman begins, I don't
remember him, and oh he plays Yeah, he plays the
captain guy chief or whatever. And then and you know
that character isn't very prominent, but he nails it. You know,
a book of Eli. Let's see what Kung Fu Panda.

(01:34:47):
He plays a character you know is a voice Tiker Taylor, Soldier,
Spy the movie. I really like this. The movie I
wasn't really huge anyway, So uh yeah, let's it's a
The Darkest Hour mank right, which I wasn't a huge
fan of Oppenheimer. Yeah, so that's me rambling about the

(01:35:12):
things I've seen for a long time. If you're still listening,
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