October 23, 2025 • 3 mins
[Rerun] Dr. Kirk Honda interviews Bob about his schemas. (This is part 2 of a two-part series.)(Intro) The full episode is available to patrons of the podcast.
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October 16, 2019
The Psychology In Seattle Podcast ®
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October 16, 2019
The Psychology In Seattle Podcast ®
Trigger Warning: This episode may include topics such as assault, trauma, and discrimination. If necessary, listeners are encouraged to refrain from listening and care for their safety and well-being.
Disclaimer: The content provided is for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only. Nothing here constitutes personal or professional consultation, therapy, diagnosis, or creates a counselor-client relationship. Topics discussed may generate differing points of view. If you participate (by being a guest, submitting a question, or commenting) you must do so with the knowledge that we cannot control reactions or responses from others, which may not agree with you or feel unfair. Your participation on this site is at your own risk, accepting full responsibility for any liability or harm that may result. Anything you write here may be used for discussion or endorsement of the podcast. Opinions and views expressed by the host and guest hosts are personal views. Although, we take precautions and fact check, they should not be considered facts and the opinions may change. Opinions posted by participants (such as comments) are not those of the hosts. Readers should not rely on any information found here and should perform due diligence before taking any action. For a more extensive description of factors for you to consider, please see www.psychologyinseattle.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Psychology in Hey Deserving Listeners. Today we have Bob back
on the podcast to talk about his schemas. So this
is going to be part two in which I interview
Bob about his schemas and his emotional needs and how
(00:24):
he grew up and the schemas he developed and the
maladaptive coping styles that he engages in that all we
all engage in in relation to our schemas, and what
he's done in therapy and his own personal work to
overcome that, to not fall into certain holes, certain pitfalls,
(00:46):
certain situations that are self destructive and deny Bob the
ability to get his needs met, which we all need.
And for those of you who maybe don't know this,
but I've been doing a series of episodes on Scheme
(01:07):
of Therapy. I did. A lot of people have been
asking me to do a deep dive on Scheme of Therapy.
I did that. I didn't really know the model that well,
but after doing the deep dive, I discovered that I
really liked it, and for a lot of reasons, one
of which is that it solidifies, so to speak, the
way I've been thinking about people for the last fifteen
(01:30):
years into a understandable model. That has a language and
a system that is kind of provides a formula, I guess,
for solidifying the thoughts about why people are the way
they are and why we all have certain repetitive foibles
(01:51):
and repetitive sensitivities.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Sort of an accurate description of how people are with
the basis and attachment.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Right, and instead of it just being general attachment theory,
it actually tries to describe these different kinds of conditions.
It also moves away from the regular personality disorder model,
which is fine, but it's kind of limited in its
(02:20):
way as well, And so I find it to be
very helpful and part of my effort to further my
understanding is to interview people about their schemas, to get
the stories of what it feels like, what it actually is,
what the lived experience is of having one of the
(02:42):
eighteen schemas that are proposed by schema therapy. So let's
get into a bop.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is the psychology and see out of podcast. I'm
your host, doctor Kirkanda. I'm a therapist and a professor.
Who are you, Bob?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I'm personal some fucked up schemas.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Aren't we all are?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We all, yeah's a therapist in practice here in Seattle
and your old friend from one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And this episode is just for patrons of the podcast.
So if you want to hear this episode as well
as here part one of Bob and all the other
interviews that I'm doing with people about scheme of Therapy,
you have to become a patron of the podcast by
going to patreon dot com. When you become a patron,
you get access to arguably all of our best episodes.
(03:27):
So do so now, go to Patreon dot com become
a patron. It's also the way we know that you
actually care about this podcast is to become a patron,
so please do so. Also, if you're a patron and
you email me a question, you're much more likely to
have that question answered on the air. So become a
patron of the podcast. Do it now,
Psychology in Hey Deserving Listeners. Today we have Bob back
on the podcast to talk about his schemas. So this
is going to be part two in which I interview
Bob about his schemas and his emotional needs and how
(00:24):
he grew up and the schemas he developed and the
maladaptive coping styles that he engages in that all we
all engage in in relation to our schemas, and what
he's done in therapy and his own personal work to
overcome that, to not fall into certain holes, certain pitfalls,
(00:46):
certain situations that are self destructive and deny Bob the
ability to get his needs met, which we all need.
And for those of you who maybe don't know this,
but I've been doing a series of episodes on Scheme
(01:07):
of Therapy. I did. A lot of people have been
asking me to do a deep dive on Scheme of Therapy.
I did that. I didn't really know the model that well,
but after doing the deep dive, I discovered that I
really liked it, and for a lot of reasons, one
of which is that it solidifies, so to speak, the
way I've been thinking about people for the last fifteen
(01:30):
years into a understandable model. That has a language and
a system that is kind of provides a formula, I guess,
for solidifying the thoughts about why people are the way
they are and why we all have certain repetitive foibles
(01:51):
and repetitive sensitivities.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Sort of an accurate description of how people are with
the basis and attachment.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Right, and instead of it just being general attachment theory,
it actually tries to describe these different kinds of conditions.
It also moves away from the regular personality disorder model,
which is fine, but it's kind of limited in its
(02:20):
way as well, And so I find it to be
very helpful and part of my effort to further my
understanding is to interview people about their schemas, to get
the stories of what it feels like, what it actually is,
what the lived experience is of having one of the
(02:42):
eighteen schemas that are proposed by schema therapy. So let's
get into a bop.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is the psychology and see out of podcast. I'm
your host, doctor Kirkanda. I'm a therapist and a professor.
Who are you, Bob?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I'm personal some fucked up schemas.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Aren't we all are?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We all, yeah's a therapist in practice here in Seattle
and your old friend from one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And this episode is just for patrons of the podcast.
So if you want to hear this episode as well
as here part one of Bob and all the other
interviews that I'm doing with people about scheme of Therapy,
you have to become a patron of the podcast by
going to patreon dot com. When you become a patron,
you get access to arguably all of our best episodes.
(03:27):
So do so now, go to Patreon dot com become
a patron. It's also the way we know that you
actually care about this podcast is to become a patron,
so please do so. Also, if you're a patron and
you email me a question, you're much more likely to
have that question answered on the air. So become a
patron of the podcast. Do it now,
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