PFP #86 - Mandy starring Nic Cage! - PunchFarm Podcast

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Oh Feeling by Tacos, beer andBloody Mary's, The Only Show featuring Baby

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Jesus with a nail gun, ThePride of Pa and The Show with the
Eye of the Tiger, The Ladiesand Gentlemen, Punch Fire. Hey,
friends, welcome to Punch Farm.I'm Mark, I'm Militia, I'm Jeff,

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I'm Benny. And I had topause there for a second because I
was like, could you imagine ifwe were taking some serious acid that made
us trip our balls off so badand we made a movie like Mandy,
That's what it would take, becausethat's the movie we're talking about tonight,
Mandy Um starring the one and onlyLas Nicholas Cage, and it was a

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it was trippy. Yeah, Imean it was trippy before we get there.
Uh, Benny, welcome back.We missed you last time. Yeah,
you know, I feel like itwas mostly my faught. I forgot
to text you and we were talkingabout the summer before. You were reminiscent
about some crazy stuff from the eightiesand nineties in our childhood, and of

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course, uh, we're here,we are back again. Talk about Nicholas
Cage. Yeah, it is theNick Cage Show. That's a silent boycott
I've had. Unless it's Nicholas Cage, I don't show up. I get
it. I get it. Jeff, you went to North Carolina and got
home before the hurricane. Yeah,we got kicked out. Wow, I

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got you. Literally, yeah,they literally have to go. Yeah to
so Hurricane Florence. I'm sure everyone'sseen in the news. Tuesday morning,
they came out mandatory evacuations starting atTuesday at noon, and you have to
be off the island at pm Wednesday. So we figured that, no big

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deal. We'll leave early Wednesday morningand we're gonna party it up. Tuesday.
Well, we start drinking and whattime was it about one thirty quarter
till two in the morning. No, in the afternoon. The real estate
agent comes by and says the townis shutting off the power in the water.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, we'reon vacation. It started early.
They came by, said you haveto leave now, and it's like,
oh shit, so we I'm justglad it wasn't an hour or two later
because I wouldn't have been able todrive geez, I mean you wouldn't been
able to get out. No,I mean I would have been too drunk

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to drive, so we uh gotall the ship in the truck and everybody
loaded up. We left about quartertill four, so it took us a
little over an hour to pack allof our crab okay, and drove straight
through. Didn't get home until twothirty am Wednesday. That sucked. And

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a lot of people down there.Hey, you know, our hearts go
out to you. Man. Yeah, what you said that that one area
got thirty inches of rain and likethirty four inches of rain Swansboro, which
is right next door to Emerald Islewhere we were at. Man, I
do a lot of complaint about Pennsylvaniaright now. Yeah, thirty inches of
rain, thirty four inches of rainin what two days? That's incredible?

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Yeah, mind blowing. Do youknow how the house is or were you
not at the house. So myparents' house, they lived there in Hubert
and they're Inland a little bit.They left. They were down there too,
Okay, they left and went tomy sister's house who lives in Washington,
North Carolina. Okay, but wehad a we rented a house on

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the beach. Okay, okay,but my parents, um, they were
still down there. They could neverget back to the house because all the
roads were flooded. Yeah, butum, they were talking to their neighbors
and the neighbors said, the houseis fine, Okay. There they had
a tree out out front fall over, but that was it. Okay,

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so that's nothing. It's bad.Yeah. Yeah, a lot of the
pictures I'm seeing And I actually havea friend that lives down there, and
she she evacuated with her daughters toTennessee and um, but her husband stayed
because they have a farm, sohe had to stay with all the animals
and everything, and so like hewas giving updates to her, like they
they had damage to their roof oftheir house and then they had damage to

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some of their hogbarns and sucks.Yeah, so I was like, man,
and then they didn't have flooding perse where right where they're at,
but they couldn't get out of there, Like they couldn't leave their their property
because there was flooding all around them. Yeah, That's how it would have
been with my parents because there wasjust there's like two roads to get out

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of the area, and both ofthem were flooded out right, know,
like was it Asheville or one ofthem was like completely. You couldn't even
get to the town or Williams WilliamsBoard yeah, or Williamsburg Williamsburg. Yeah,
that one was completely like it wasturned into an island pretty much.
Yeah, but it's messed up crazy. But if you want to live along
the coast, that's a risk youhave to take. Like San Diego,

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they don't get them. See it'san East coast thing, like maybe I'm
going to move to sand hang outwith teal Benny. Did you get to
watch Summer of eighty four? Ididn't. Uh, I have it.
I bought it actually, or umbookmarked it. I haven't watched it yet,
And I'm well because I wasn't sureif I saw the title Summer of

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eighty four and remember that was somethingof eighties, and didn't want to watch
the wrong thing, so I can'twatch. Like about how valuable that toys
from your eighties? You yeah,right, but destroyed? When you said
it, I thought, oh good, I did bookmark it earlier. Okay,
that was the right thing. Yeah, check it out, man,
Uh great movie. Yeah. Andand then we also right after the episode,

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we had another episode where we talkedto Ashley V. Robinson about her
new comic book and she fully fundedit, Hernard Jason and now they're like
in the the extras, so they'rethey're they're kickstarters. Is going well,
Yeah, Ashley and Jason, Congratulations, I'm very excited to get the book
next year. Yeah. It takesa little bit to put a comt out,

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as we know, but next year, that's only three months away now.
And she also picked up our comicbooks. Yeah, don't talk about
it. I know, I don'teven she grabbed our comic book. So
thank you, Ashley, thank youfor me on the show. Congratulations and
uh, I hope you enjoy ourbook. Now keep it in tradition of

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the show, apparently, now wetalked about Nick Cage and Nick Cage his
new movie Mandy Is I don't onb O D. We watched it.
We're gonna talk about it. Iwould like to start off with the well,
one word has been in the trailertrailer, but the word crazy.
Yeah, I've been flipping around tonightat the bar a lot crazy and it

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was crazy. I think he evengot some of the music, by the
way, was fan. In fact, I'm going to trail that's tense,
right, Yeah, I read thatthe director asked the uh, the guy,

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what do you call that guy?The musician, composer, thank you.
He was looking for something like hereferenced van Halen's van Halen record and
something else. But he came backwith this and that was his last piece
or something. I know. Yeah, I don't know how he died.
I looked it up today because Iwas like, I'm curious because he was

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young. He was only in hisforties, I believe. Well, yeah,
um, he had an accidental overdosewith cocaine. Of course in prescription
medication. Any of the cocaine featuresthere was enough. Yeah, there was
a lot of drugs in this movie. Yeah, but in a but in

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a kind of like fantastic way,if that's not a word. Yeah,
it led to the story. AndI have a lot of theories and opinions
on that. I'm trying to bringup here. The correct name of the
director. Oh it's panos Cosmatos.Yeah, panos Cosmatos Panos. Hey,

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if we messed that up, byapologize. Um, So without further ado,
I say we jump into it becauseI cannot. I need to talk
to you guys about this movie.It was we get niccasion beginning like,
seriously, the movie opens is goot. I felt like it has this like

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eighties grindhouse type. Maybe grindhouse isthe wrong word, but it's got this
this flavor going on. Nick Nickis doing some lumberjacke and he gets in
this helicopter is very the cool scenekind of reminiscent of when they getting a
helicopter and Predator. Just the wayit was filmed and stuff like, oh,
it's gonna be insane. And thenand I said the listen like,

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I wonder where this is, uh, what era? What time period is
set? And all of a suddenthere's this gigantic title bash. It was
like something smoky mountains. Uh,I know, I haven't crystal mountains,
wasn't it uh flipping my notes?What doesn't matter mountains sta nineteen eighty three,

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But it was this really cool uhtypography work. It was I wasn't
sure if it was another h cardfor a production company, just the way
it took it over the entire Yeah, I thought it was super cool.
I liked that a lot too.That was the first time where I was
like, oh, I was infor this. Then other things happened,
but right then I'm in for this. Right, because I thought that was

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cool. Yeah, and then uhyeah, we get a little a little
bit of Nick, he's we getintroduced to Mandy, she's an artist.
Um, and then then we loseNick for like a good hour. Yeah
for a while. Yeah, nothinghappens. I disagree, you know.
And I thought it was a littleslow paced there for a while, but
we were setting things up because evenwe got to meet the the children at

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the Dawn and when then also ina big title, another different fund another
but another cool way, and thenwe get the Children at the Dawn,
which these cult like how I lookedat it was so like normally like a
like a slash or horror type movie, you gotta think like ninety minutes.
So there is usually something that happenedand that's unrelated to the plot, but

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just related to that murder in thefirst like five minutes, right, and
then you start developing the plot andyou can probably have like a half hour
until you reintroduced Michael Myers or Jasonor whoever it is that happened than this
too, except the first half hourhappened like a half hour in you were
introduced to it was and remember Isaid, I paused the movie and texted

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you, guys, is that itwas an hour and five minutes okay until
Nick came by. Yeah, buthour five minutes. Yeah. Well,
I mean, uh, you knowwhen they said, like the what is
it the Shadow Mountains? What wasit again? Shadow Mountains? Yeah?
Um, you know they're living outin this remote area. We're gonna do
the best without spoilers. I'll letyou know where we gotta get deep because
there's gonna be a point that Ijust need to know, point of no

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return. Uh. But you know, they got this really kick ass cabin
out in the middle of almost nowhere. Mandy's an outstanding artist. M just
got like she's a little weird,right, She's got this scar. This
is very unique scar going on almosttwo different color eyes, right, you

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guys. I was just trying toreally absorb everything and the scar because the
movie was called Mandy. So I'mlike, what, right, let me
uh try to what's so important aboutMandy? But at the end, it
was just more about, oh youdid this to Mandy right now that but
you said the scar. I didn'tnotice the scar until after she was drugged.

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Really, I didn't notice there beforeit was I don't remember seeing it.
I feel like I was drugged watchingthis movie. So maybe I'm wrong.
Oh, okay, Now, no, I noticed the scar when she
was in the water. I didn'tnotice it before that. Yeah, when

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she was in the water like inthe oh and like staring at Nicholas Cage,
I was like, what is onher face? And I was like,
oh, I think that's a scar. That was the first time I
noticed it. Okay, And thatwas a weird scene. He's like sitting
at the campfire, She's kind ofin the water looking at him, just
looking at each other for like agood by now five minutes, I was
super creeped out, to be honestwith you, and I even though I

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looked at Mark and I was likebecause Nicholas Cage had a weird he had
a weird look on his face.And I was like, Isolas Cage And
I looked at Mark and I waslike, yeah, Nick Cage, I
think i'd be weirded out too withthe way that she's staring at me.
Were you excited? Like when hefinished up his day there and cutting down

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trees and gotten that chopper and hejust looked very badass. I was like,
man, I'm really looking forward towhat are you gonna do in this
movie? Yeah, there were acouple classic cage tropes that showed that all
right, oh we'll get to theone. Yeah, just the one.
Oh no, there's a bun Imean this movie. Look, this is

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like it couldn't beat without him,you know, And like there were any
other act I feel about now,but yeah, I wouldn't worked with that.
But no, there's no way,nobody, no other actor would have
the balls to just go fuck it. Yeah, that's a great way to

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put it in. Yeah, andthat's that's what he did for the last
hour, you know, yeah,the whole movie. Right, But you
know, I kept thinking though thatscene in the water, and then there
were I think at least two timeswhere it was like the two of them
in bed at night talking for everfive ten minutes. There was no context
for any of that. You know, I have no idea what they're talking

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about. I have no idea whatthey're were. It felt like they were
worried about because he said something like, I think we just need to get
out of here. There's something thatthey're uncomfortable about. There's something worried.
But there was no context for anything, right, there's there's no build up.
What I was getting from the beginningpart of the movie was, um,
we were getting a glimpse of theirlife and how happy they were together,

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and you know, they had avery peaceful existence and that was about
to not yeah almost I want toI don't want to use the word complacent,
but they were just very happy andin themselves in their relationship. Yeah,
they were just it's okay just tochill and watch them on TV and
not talk. Like, you know, he comes in, like after he's

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done a hard day of cutting downtrees. He comes home, she's drawn.
He stares drawn a little bit.He's very very nice, and he
was like, uh uh knock knock. He's like a stupid joke. Eric
Strata, Erica Strata, who Ericis Strata from Chips? That was mad.

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If you're not from the eighties,you don't get it, get that
one. But it just seemed veryI don't know, it made me laugh
in the fact. It was justso weird, right like and so like
if so of a time period,like maybe would be funny if Chips was
wicked popular right now And yeah,you're like, I get that, but

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I'm sure there's a lot of peoplewatching me were like, who's Eric Astrado
right? What chips? Chips chips? Yeah, ladies, But I just
his delivery. I was like,Okay, we're in for a really good
show because Nick Cage, isn't it. He went on all out but then
um, he's gone. It's Mandy. She's does she working like a grocery

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store? She was reading or somethinglike that. But we do get introduced
to a group called Children at theDawn and this is where when I saw
uh, she was on her wayto work. They were passing her in
a van and I said, thelist is like I thought, based on
the trailer, this was like sometype of uh cabin the woods, fighting
demons fighting zombies. As soon asthey saw when they showed the different people

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in this van when they passed,it was obvious. I was like,
Uh, this is a revenge movie. Ye is? And because I didn't
know anything going into this outside thatone trailer we talked about. Remember I
even said it that trailer is.Did that give you this sickly different than
what the movie? Well? No, the trailer yeah, not misleading,
but yeah, well you like,wow, I want to check something out.

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I think it's a movie that hasa foot and a lot of different
doors. Though, like I thinkit's mostly a revenge movie, but there's
a lot of I don't I don'tthink you can even go as far to
say paranormal. Ah see, Igot, but I got this whole.
It's more like fantasy. It's afantasy, that's yeah, I wanted to
ask you about. Yeah, it'salso an Italian horror movie though, and

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that's that's very familiar with. WellSPI is like the biggest one from the
late seventies or something, and thatalso was huge colors, huge amounts of
blood, which there were in this. Yeah, you know where it was.
It's just a different kind of solike every time, like I thought,

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I knew, oh it's just likea woods you're in the woods and
it's a revenge kind of thing.It just something else happened. And yeah,
well that's weird. I told Itold her, I was like,
I feel like this, like thisis She was like, what book is
she reading? Because it's supposed tobe she kept thinking a lish she yeah,
she kept thinking that baby, isthis all in her mind? What's
going I was like, I feellike this is at its core and I'm

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probably wrong because I enjoy movies.I don't, you know, sit around
and say, I know movie theory. It felt like a fantasy movie.
We had orcs. We had awizard, the guy making the the drugs.
He had a tiger. He seemedlike a like the wizard because he

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was giving people acid that was makinghim into orcs. Essentially much of the
backstory to this I didn't know.Just let me get my theory. We
had. We had the hero.He forged his own acts. I know,
he smelted down, made it surprising, and even when he went to

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fight the bad guys, he hadto go down into caverns, almost like
going into a dungeon. It waslike a fantasy move. Okay, yeah,
I see where we're going. Yeah, That's how I was could because
I kept feeling like these two,these two or three different things couldn't exist
on the same plane because there's onething with like the first guy he gets

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revenge on when he gets when theguy pulls the car over and he just
he just gets that guy. Butright at the end, it almost you
know, what it almost reminded meof was like um uh was at Bruce
Lee's Game of death when he keptgoing to the different lights of oh yeah,
so that kind of reminded me ofAnd then I actually read that a

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couple of those fights. Uh,Cage obviously can't do things that Bruce Lee
could do, but he wanted that'sfilmed the same way with like the like
you hear a hit and see likethe reaction of the guy that threw the
punch rather than the guy's face thatwas getting right, Like, there were
different things and like bruces fights,like he was really inspired by. That's

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cool, but that's what That's whatseemed like to me that it was kind
of he was going through levels too, kind of like a video game where
like Big Boss battles a certain levelsto get to the next level. Those
were lame ass levels. I don'tknow, man, there was all the
first the first level was lame,the one with the what I is the
orcs? No this okay? Thesecond level with in the van see like

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all right, let's take a stepback here. Here's where we might get
in a little bit of spoiler.Yeah, this is just gonna be all
spoiling, but we get introduced tothe Children of the Dawn. It's a
cult, yeah, right, oh, absolutely, but they have this little
horn thing he gives us. Hegives us to his his second in command
because he saw Mandy on the road. The leader was his name, Jeremiah.

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Yep, he has to have Mandy. And immediately, like once you're
introducing these characters, you know they'reit's a cult. They're all aft up.
It's not good. But when hedoes, when the second command goes
out and blows this whistle, waslike a it sounds very mystical from Jurassic
Park. And then but then theseguys on four wheelers come out right uh

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after, like what like they waitlike a forty five seconds a minute.
Yeah, but they're all aft up. So I thought maybe possibly they did
call something from hell. You don'thave to ride a a dark horse,
a zombie horse just because you're inHell. Like they you know, modernize
it, the demons from Hell theyride four wheelers. I was I was

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like, I'm down with that.Not quite the case, but I was
like, I'm interested because if theyreally summoned these demons from hell and it's
got I thought for second had aHell razor vibe because the way they were
dressed and the one dude had spikesall out of his stuff and the mass
and the weirdness. Yeah, Iforgot about that, right, Yeah,

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that was bizarre, right, Yeah, And I didn't know. I was
like, okay, so maybe thismovie he has got it. He has
to find demons, right. Sothe thing I read online this came vaguely
from the director and writer. Um, they're not demons, they're just so
the wizard, the guy that wasmade him, right, So he hated

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these guys for one reason or anotherand purposefully made bad acid to give to
them. Right, So then theystarted acting that way, almost like gimps
or something. Yeah, kind of, but you know, I kind of
like I was just thinking about inLord of the Rings when Saron Uh made
Orcs. He raised him out bythe mud and made him. Yeah,
it's kind of like, okay,so he made these works. They're very

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wild, crazy, they need moreacid. They do really bad things.
And I wasn't sure, like,but by blowing the whistle they came out,
I know, Yeah, to doone thing. When at the bad
guy's lair, at the orc asI'm referring to his orcs or they had
like a ton of takeout Chinese cartonseverywhere. Yeah, I'm like, like,

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so are you going in picking thatup at the Chinese restaurant because or
are they calling a different Chinese restaurantplace every time? Is it like in
Home Alone where he just says,you know, leave it outside. He
puts the money through the slot andjust plays like that video like leave it
there because I mean, like,if you were a delivery driver you showed

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up there, I sue, you'renot right ever seen again? Who?
Yeah, I just thought that wasweird, like Hardy getting delivery without me.
I mean, somebody calling the cops. I know in that one house,
in the house that they were in, um, there was like a
dead couple in the one bedroom.You just a glimpse of. Yeah.
I wasn't sure if like maybe theywere I don't know, maybe shocking out

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there and making that couple do theirbidding. Yeah, and then and then
they weren't anymore they killed them orI don't know. I had so many
thoughts running through my hat. Ikind of think it was their house and
they killed on the end over Yeah, just kind of yeah. That was
another thing about the movie. Ihad like a million thoughts going through my

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head because I didn't understand necessarily,it doesn't make it a bad thing.
No, I think it could haveused more context on like every level.
Yeah, like there was never andnot that I want somebody to take a
break from the moving. So what'shappening is these people? I don't need
that, but like there was neverI guess this is a good thing to

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say about it too. There wasnever a point where you could take a
breath and say, Okay, soNick is over here and these people are
Like there was never a moment,but they could have taken a break from
staring into each other for five minutesand for a little context in or anything,
right, I agree? Yeah,Well, how what did you guys
think of when something bad happens toMandy Nick's love? I didn't think it

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was because the children have done onthis call. The drugs are the other
one, Uh, the worst thingthat but anyway, yeah, because he
because they take Mandy, but theykind of just stake him up outside,
Yeah, just to let him.He's gonna die. But like Nick Cage

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fashion, you can't stop him now, he's unstoppable. I just assumed that,
you know, she would be thereat the end of the movie because
the movie's named after her. She'sthe namesake of the movie. So I
was like, oh, but itreally did. It was for Mandy,
true, I know, but Ididn't get that when this bad thing happens
to Mandy and he gets himself freeof the barbed wire here like barbed wire,

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they put barbed wire in his mouth, yeah, as a gag when
he goes inside his house. BecauseI didn't realize at first that they were
doing this all at their house.I thought maybe they took her back to
their lary. But they were doingbecause they gave Mandy drugs and and and
the cult leader was trying to dohis penis on her. So before we
jump, which we got a lotof that, yeah, a little bit.

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So when they felt like it wasI felt it was the right amount
of yea and one second longer withit just it was still art. At
five minutes, it's still art.Yeah, five oh one. That a
lot of Yeah, I'm not thatimpressive of one, really know. I

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said that. She was like,oh my god, like, what do
you think that's big? And Iwas like, no, not busting.
Don't I don't sound like a buston that guy's petis. It was fine.
It was just like fine, justit was just there for so figurative
balls are bigger than his real onesbecause the balls to show that until she
laughed at him, then his ballstrong. Yeah, he could hand in

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that scene when he got down,and again I don't even know what the
hell that dude was talking about.Well, it was like that close up
on his face for thirty minutes.Yeah, see lasted long. Did his
face morphed with hers? Yeah?Okay, yeah I did, because right
when I noticed it is when itwent away kind of like I kept thinking
it's happening, was happening, butthen it kept stopping and morphing again,

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because when they stopping once they pulledaway, I'm like, oh shit,
they just looked very similar huge eyesand they have they did eye dropped on
landy dropping. So I unders thenthe giant weird. That's what I wanted
to ask you. That doesn't existon Earth. Yeah, sticking to her
in the neck. Yeah, shesaid, oh, this is the cherry

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on top. That's why again,I'm like a fantasy world. I think
this the whole movie in general,was like an alternate dimension fantasy world because
if you look at this description ofthe movie, it says it's set in
the um upper the northwest of theUS, like Seattle, Washington. You

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would assume man out in the middleof all this everything. It would have
been awesome. But there's so manythings in the movie that it's obviously not
in our reality right now. Um, that's why I thought. That's why

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I'm like, this is kind oflike this is like, this is like
a Lord of the Rings, buton acid kind of. You had all
those players in Lord of the Rings. You had the Orcs, you had
the Wizard, you had somebody thatneeded well, who the hell was Frodo?
Well, we had no front onthis one. So little maybe,
but a fantasy movie with evil andthen good oh you know it just popped

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in my head. You said Protherearlier, that guy that gives him the
question of my head. Yeah hewas. I also thought that scene was
extremely weird because it's now next time. Okay, Before Nick went to the
Predator, dude, he had ascene where once he got through the barb
wire, he went into his houseinto the bathroom. He's in his tidy

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whities seventies the bottom of vodka,but the baca was in the bathroom,
right. Yeah, it was likehe was supposed to be like a recovering
alcoholic. Ye didn't know that.Well, oh he did tell that guy
to begin like that very yeah nope, oh yeah, yeah, I didn't
bring that up. I didn't knowthat many was recovering alcohol That's what I

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think, Like at the beginning ofthe movie, it they're just they're trying
to live this very calm life becauseshe grew up in a family that was
smoking weed. Okay, but thenhe's an alcoholic, so he knows he
has problems too, So like theyboth have problems and they're trying to,
you know, create their own littlecalm world of peace. And uh like

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I think that's what the beginning wassupposed to be. Brought out the weed,
like, well, he's recovering alcoholic, but she's you know, when
we first see Mandy, it's itstarts at the bowl, the bottom of
the bowl where she's lightening it up, and then it kind of pans up
to her face, right, solike Nick doesn't want to beer, but
she's smoking some weed. I don'tknow. I was just didn't I didn't

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think he was recovering alcoholic. Neverthought that he hid the bottom of uck
in the bathroom Yeah, that's whatI got from it. I didn't now
think that makes more sense to me. Yeah, and that that bathroom part,
that was a part where I checkedback in after like a while of
thinking taking a Yeah, this isweird. I loved the wall I mean,
I love but I loved the wallpaperin the ball. Yeah, it

(31:04):
was just so familiar. That mademe feel like the shining kind of thing,
you know, like it was justbecause the shining is another one where
it's like another kind of weird dimensionalkind of like what are you really seeing?
What argue seeing? Like that's whatthat bathroom rind of the crazy wallpaper,
him losing his shit? Did youI thought he was going to turn

(31:25):
in the Hawk the way he was, so I didn't wall he was screamers,
like if he chears in the Hawk. I'm okay now, Right before
that, didn't he see that commercialfor Oh my God, the Cheddar Goblin
Cheddar Goblin. Oh my god,it was hilarious. I don't want to
like this might sound negative. I'llsay it was the best part of the

(31:49):
entire movie, not only because Iwant to see the commercial. It's entirety,
I know. So it has itsown Twitter account, now it's Cheddar
goblin. Yes. Oh so inthe background, there's this TV and there's
this as everybody starts like a yeah, it's like a mac It's like a
macaroni and cheese commercial. Yeah.These kids are all excited and the Cheddar

(32:10):
Goblin is like barfing cheddar into theirball mac and cheese, Mac and cheese.
Yeah, not cheddar, cheddars barfeesebow and they're like yeah. I'm
like, I don't know this isbut this is the best thing I've ever
seen. Yeah, it was amazing. It was actually directed by um somebody
else and put in there and Ican't remember who it was. I'm sorry

(32:31):
I didn't write it down. Hewas like that for me made the movie.
Like there's more to this movie thanI could ever possibly understand, right
because and also that's those are cooltouches too, because I don't know or
think that that's a real product.But everybody in the area you have,
you know what was like a regionalproduct to you, and you remember these
weird commercials that nobody else in therights of the country remembers, and right,

(32:52):
that just adds legitimacy to Yeah,would you eat a bowl of mac
and cheese after it was vomiting downthe goblin's mouth. When that happened,
I looked it up because the thedirector is he Danish or no, I'm
it was filmed in Finland or oneof the Scandinavian countries. So as soon

(33:16):
as I saw that, I thought, oh, maybe it's one of those
weird ash European commercials. It's actuallyleg That's where I was. Yeah,
but it's not. It was filmedby or direct The commercial was directed by
Chris Asper Kelly and he did adultswim shorts. Boy, that makes so

(33:36):
much more. Yeah, but Nickgoes he's just kind of like screaming and
pounding vodka in his underwear, pouringit all over himself. But I thought
that Woo would take more out ofNick. But a little bit of vodka
on the wood. He was theonly thing I didn't get. Whenever he
was he would start to scream andthen he'd start to chug the vodka and

(33:59):
grab his throat. Well, maybehe didn't want to drink the vibe he
recovering alcohol. I don't know therewas a method. Nick has a reason
why he didn't. I don't.That's one thought that he was drinking it
to dull the pain when on himselfwas that was all I thought. I
just didn't understand the throat grabbing him. Nick, he knows. Yeah,

(34:23):
I'm sure he's done it before questionhis methods, all right. I actually,
just earlier today, I was watchingsome video on him where it was
taking him through all of his mostpopular characters or something and ended with this
one. And he was actually originallythat because ma Thos or whatever came to
him to be the Jeremiah the culteither interest. I don't want to do

(34:46):
that, but I want to bekilling people. You know, he would
have actually made a good Jeremiah.That character was very crazy. I don't
think Nick would have stood there forfive minutes with this dick. Now that
CG or what was that the actualactors, I don't know. I assumed

(35:09):
I would assume CG would be moregenerous than that was. If I have
a down to my knee. Jeremiahsand the guy with his dick. UM,
he was somebody that we all know. UM. He played a character

(35:31):
on a movie that we really liked. UM. I so when I typed
this up on my UM tablet todayand we were talking about this earlier today
at the bar how autocract just likeyou know, changes me. Yeah,
it says Nathan's dad, and Iwas like, Nathan's dad, I know,
it's not what I was trying towrite. Why did it change it?

(35:52):
It was Batman's dad in um ohBatman begins, yes dad yeah,
a cult leader, yeah, thecult leader. It was like sport.
When I saw that to it,I was like, oh my god,
that's amazing. Wow. Yeah thatwas because he looked familiar to me,
and I was like, I don'tknow the Jeremiah the cult leader, yes,

(36:16):
played he played Batman's dad in TheChristian Bale one yes, okay.
Because I was confused, R Iwas like, wait no, um uh,
the Winchester guy played in ben Afflex. I got confused. Yeah,

(36:37):
that's not his real name, buthe was the Winchester's dad. I can't
remember his real name. Supernatural Yeahoh yeah. He also was the comedian
and the Watchman. He was alsoNigan. What's what's his name? Thanks?
Yeah, I'm drawn a blank.So yeah, you you named all

(36:59):
those different things and my brain justwent blank. Um all right, So
but in the Christian Bale Batman yeah, okay, interest, Yes, I'm
sure he's done more than that.I was about to look it up because
I was like, that's not JefferDan morg. Yeah. Yeah, he's
done a bunch of other stuff,but um, that one like stood out

(37:21):
to me because I was like,oh my god, that was his that
was Bruce's dad. Well, let'stake his penis out of the conversation.
I thought he was. I thoughthe was a great bill definitely more well
hung but yeah, yeah, Ithought he was a great villain. Yeah,
he was batshit crazy just to keepthe bad thing going. Yeah,

(37:45):
I definitely wanted, like, especiallyas you met some of his followers though,
I wanted them to be a littlebit more powerful or charismatic. Yeah,
they were all kind of just throwaway followers. Yeah, I wanted
to know more about them. Ithink, yeah, maybe they could have
spent some more time on them insteadof staring and just being creepy. Yeah

(38:09):
yeah they Yeah they didn't. Yeah, they didn't offer anything else. But
but he was good as a villain. Um, I did. Like,
again, I can't say one hundredpercent understand but after Nick got over his
vodka thing and screaming, he neverturned into the hawk. Um, but
he did go down and met upwith the dude from the Predator and obviously

(38:32):
they knew each other and he wasthere. The guy was holding on to
his crossbow. What did they callit? He had a name for his
crossbow, like the Reaper. Ithink it might have been called the Reaper.
Yeah, here for the Reaper.He's like, I wonder you to
come back for that, and itwas just like so like okay, so
wait so Nick Cage's character also usedto right, I didn't get any of

(38:58):
that. Yeah. Well to methough, why does somebody holding onto that
unless you were using him for thingshe shouldn't have been used and it wasn't.
It was called I thought he maybepull out less high powered sniper,
right, yeah, something. Itwas a weird weapon. I'm like,
well, this ain't gonna get youfire now, because did you see those
weirdos on their motorcycles? You needsomething a little bit. He didn't kill
a single one of them with thecrossbow. No he didn't, did he

(39:21):
ever? No? No, heshot it a few times one and they
pulled him right back out. Yeah, he didn't kill anybody with the crossbow.
After the dude from the Predator,I wish we got his real name
Bill do thank you? UM said, like, uh, something special for
you. These I made these tipsmyself. They'll cut through bone or yeah,

(39:42):
but they didn't didn't do shit unlesshe didn't use it. Maybe he
didn't use them. No he did. They did cut through. But these
whatever these creatures were, these orcs, they were like wicked, super powerful.
But that was the acid. Yeah, it can't feel pain or anything
right there, Like you hear aboout cops when they go against people that
are so hopped up on drugs,Like yeah, they shoot him twenty times

(40:05):
and they keep coming right, Itell you one of the one of my
favorite parts. But parts I waslike, I don't even know anymore.
It's when he was making some thatcrazy ass at I did. Even all
of a sudden, he has thebilly, he has a whole forge.
That's that's a lot of metal too. To bat Mel, I finally surrendered

(40:29):
and just said, whatever's gonna I'mnot gonna understand one more thing. Also
that I was like, this isdefinitely a fantasy movie, only in a
fantasy novel, because the main guyall of a sudden make what I'm assuming
is kind of like a magical ax. Yeah right, I mean it was
an epic It was an It wasan epic scene too. You got killer

(40:52):
music. He's melting down. Eventhe shape of the acts like this is
a practical at all. I stillthink it looks like the one the cling
On Fighting Stever. Yeah. Ithink I read on IMDb that it was
the shape of it or the designof it was mirrored off of I don't

(41:13):
know if it was a band nameor something like Molly Hatchett. I don't
know. I don't know the artistformerly known as Prince or something. The
symbol it is sort of like that, isn't it. Dang on that note,
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(43:32):
Benny, we were just talking aboutthe Rotten Tomatoes score, which take
it as it is. It's rottentomades, right if you if you're into
that whatever. But you said thecritics were coming in like a ninety seven.
It's not I thought, right now, the audience score is seventy two
and the critics score is ninety three. Wow, wow, unreal. It's

(43:54):
it's it's I am dB is similarbecause it when I was reading a bunch
of reviews about this and it waslike, you know, there was like
three hundred reviews and it was gettinga nine, nine stars or whatever on
IMDb. I looked earlier today.Now it's up to like three thousand reviews

(44:17):
and it's down to seven and eventhis one, and I it's well documented
on this podcast how much I loveIn a Cage. It says that this
takes full advantage of Cage's greatness,and then some then that's from Roger Thieber
dot com, which obviously isn't whatdo they mean by and then like it's
like as great as Nick Cage isall of that plus something else, which

(44:43):
I'm not going to call this thebest performance of Nick Cage's career, no,
but it's one of the most interestingone and it's memorable. It's cool
that people feel that way, andI'm happy they do. I guess I
wish I was more convinced of thatmyself. I think I'm still just con
used by the movie. Yeah.Yeah, there's a lot of questions that

(45:04):
I don't think forever resolved. Idon't think we managed to. I think
we managed to not do spoilers,so right, someone, I guess you
know people are going to die andthat's really yeah yeah, oh yeah.
Judging by the trailer, if youjust watch the trailer, you know Nick
Cage is going to go full outsome shit up. Oh, he goes

(45:27):
full Cage. This is the hedoes cocane. He just goes to a
pile. Yeah. Yeah, becausehe fights the Orcs, the Weird Motorcycle
Gang. Yeah. And even whenthe dude from Bill Dukes, Yeah,
the guy from Predator Bill Dukes,um, when he explains a little bit

(45:49):
what do you call him? Thedark Riders for the Black Skull ye gang.
Even then it made zero sense becausehe was explaining about the bad acid
and it caused uh, the thesethis gang like serious pain, but they
seem to love it. I waslike, I still don't even though what's

(46:15):
going on? And why is NickCage just your trailer getting his weapons and
you have a bunch of weapons,and again, I still have no idea,
even though I loved it. Oneof my favorite parts is when he
made an axe. I still don'tunderstand how and why he made an axe
for revenge. Hey, but hedidn't done this before. Well he went

(46:37):
to Bill Bill Dukes seemed to havelike weapons, right, yeah, like,
well he had his crossbow, that'sall we saw. But he gave
oh he made he made some bro'sLike, maybe he has some weapons.
I could just and this whole thingpretty fast. He went and made an
axe and then immediately lost it.Yeah yeah, but then he got it

(46:59):
bad and it did come into playa little bit, but not well enough.
I thought that scene was really cool. When he was making the acts,
I thought, this thing is,this thing is going to be like
something out of D and D.When you get light Bringer and you can
now cleave everybody down in a hardbeat. It kind of made me think

(47:22):
of like evil Death or Army ofDarkness or something, you know, when
he's dash was putting the chainsaw onor something. And that's when I started
thinking, I wonder if there's partsof this like I'm supposed to be kind
of chuckling at because some of it'sso ridiculous. It's also extremely dark,
so I wouldn't feel comfortable. Someof it's like not not even when he's
like pouring voc on himself. ButI think like some of like some of

(47:45):
the killings are so insane. Yeah, Like I wonder if there's like some
kind of weird humor to this,or if it's all just kind of like
art. Well, like when hewas fighting, when he was fighting the
big strong guy that had no linesin the movie. He was big and
buff, the one with a giantyeah, penis no no, the one

(48:07):
of Jeremiah's troops. Oh the chainsawchainsaw guy. When Nick gets a chainsaw,
he can't start the thing at all. Yeah, but it's a it's
a regular size chainsa right, andthis guy kind of looks at him.
He has I was like, oh, I've been looking for a fight.
He behind him, he grabs outthe biggest chainsaw a lot of chainsaw universe.

(48:29):
Yeah, and uh, of coursethat chainsaw starts on one poll.
Yeah, he still can't do thathim and he has a fighting him briefly
with a chainsaw. I can't getstarted. It was kind of a cool
fight though. That was a coolfight. But when there was a scene,
Now this is a bit of aspoiler, but he does knock the
guy down and he falls on thatchainsaw. But chainsaw's don't run unless you

(48:51):
got your finger on the trigger.Yeah. Right, So that was a
little bit of a but I guessthat spend disbelief because it's it's gory and
it's also seen a seven foot longchains Okay, yeah, thank you,
I'm glad somebody else Now you weretalking about humor um, so like he's

(49:16):
chained up or well with the umwhat's it called barbier around his neck outside
watches his love burned to death.That's uh. And then he goes inside
and then watches that commercial for thecheddar Goblet. And I feel like what

(49:38):
the director was trying to say tous was this movie's ridiculous me to laugh,
you know what I mean, Likeyou are, It's okay if you
laugh at this point because that wasso horrific. I'm going to give you
some humor now or something like,you know what I mean. Like,
I feel like there was some kindof mixed message going on just one in

(50:00):
the room I read. I mighthave read that still, because it does
feel that that way in this movie. But I know like other times,
um, like Last House on theLeft or something, you know, when
like the killers are going and justdoing horrible things, dismembering stuff and have

(50:21):
like the lamest country western music onthere. To me, that's to me
like in something like that, it'smore like you're familiar with this shit,
You're not familiar with what they're doing. Yeah, it's supposed to like that's
telling you you're you are in thisworld and these horrible things you couldn't ever
even imagine they're happening in your worldor something. Yeah, the movie opens

(50:42):
up with like King Crimson song,which yeah, very King of the Crimson
Ship. Yeah, but it wasnow but it was a very I mean,
it didn't seem to fit the movie. Then maybe that's it's kind of
like hey, yeah, but thatto be ending, there was There was
that text before the movie even started. It was said something about like it

(51:04):
was like a rock roll murder orsomething, you know, when I die,
put headphones on me so I canrock and roll to the song Court
of the Crimson King. It wasnot, but it was the name of
the song. I don't think itwas the Court of the Crimson King.
I'm almost positive. Okay, well, the band is definitely. Can't argue
with you. Yeah, I don'tknow what the song, but the band

(51:25):
is definitely King Crimson. But yeah, said that right in the title the
titles like opening song by King Crimson. And then I even said to her,
I'm like, oh wow, becauseI was I'm familiar with the band
a little bit, but I'm likeit just seemed weird and out of place
with all the other The movie openswith this like this guitar, like,

(51:46):
so it's got this Wait, we'regetting a heavy metal vibe and then man,
he's wearing a Moley Crew T shirt. Like, man, we were
in the eighties. But then wehave that King Crimson song. It's like
prog rock almost yeah, and itdoesn't fit. Maybe I just didn't get
it. Maybe that song had adifferent meaning. Then I was just like

(52:10):
for me, I was like,weird, it's set in a really weird
tone for me with this song.As we watched Nick get off a shift
for how Jacket, the beginning ofthe movie was all those delicate, quiet
conversations they were having to start onthat kind of rock and roll note.

(52:30):
It's very bizarre. Yeah, well, I mean the whole thing for me
was it made no sense. ButI couldn't help. I couldn't turn away,
right and not in a train wreckway, in a boy boy I
really messed that up, not ina train wreck way, and you know

(52:55):
what I mean, Like, andthis is such a visual treatment right that
I cannot help but watch because theywent to uh sometimes Nick was has some
like things going on his head andit would be animation. Yeah, so
like, wow, I think thatwas I felt like that was more like
he was tripping a little bit.I think so too. I was thinking

(53:17):
it was like him on drugs alittle bit, like these were some of
his fantasies or I don't know,I felt like some of that was like
the only exposition you were gathering forlike half hour periods of time. Maybe.
But the one scene where you seeMandy over that beast thing reaches inside
of it and then holds up likea glowing sphere, Yeah, I didn't

(53:39):
understand, Like, yeah, thatcertainly has zero that when he kind of
came back, not to life,but kind of like all right, I'm
getting out of my barbed wire.No, that was the second one when
yeah, like right after that,yeah, yeah, see I didn't understand
the damn thing. No, Ineed to watch the game. But vision,

(54:00):
really I was treated to something amazing, right, like it real,
It really was amazing, And itdoesn't matter that I didn't get it.
It doesn't matter that I didn't understandsome of the references or whatever. It
was unique. I've never seen thiskind of movie. I can't. I

(54:20):
can't genuinely say that, oh it'skind of like this or was no manage
of this. I watched something,in my opinion, freaking original. Yeah,
and with and with that, I'mlike geeze, and he can't knock
it for like being like wickedly originalthe whole way through, like even from
the get go when he's in thatcanoe and just like the weird way that

(54:42):
water looks. Yeah, that wasso strange. And then for like even
when they would pan off the skieslike nothing was it was surreal those blue
and purple and red tones like almostthroughout the whole thing. And there was
a scene where at the very endU it was like there was like moons
and it was like not even onthe same planet. That's why I said,

(55:05):
I wonder that whole discussion about aboutplanets. Yeah, well, and
that's what I felt like, thatchurch or whatever, ah, wherever he
went to at the end, Ifelt like that couldn't be a real place,
whether that's fantasy or what was builton top of some weird right,
there's none way that there's just noway that that exists, And not like

(55:25):
in any kind of plot hole kindof way like this, there's no way
there can be this enormous church inthe middle of the four It just there's
no way that that wasn't Mandy saidthat when they were talking about planets.
Of course, Nick case drew ina comic book reference because they were plants,
and he was like, oh wait, my favorite planet is Glackness.
That's not a planet, but heeats planets like way he got in a

(55:51):
comic book. I said at theend, because she was talking about her
favorite planet was a Jupiter, becausethe eye of Jupiter is a storm that's
been raging for centuries. And thenI felt like at the end of the
moment, they panned up and wesee like, like, wait, are
we even on Earth? What's goingon? Right? I was like,

(56:13):
all right, so Nick Cage ishe Jupiter, He's a he's a raging
storm. Yeah. Yeah, Iwas just trying to throw in like like
then they told us that for areason, but then don't tell us what
mountain range you're in. I know. Yeah. It was almost like a
sci fi horror movie in a way. Yeah, for sure, but they

(56:34):
had things in our our reality,but most of it wasn't in our reality.
I don't know. But you couldlook at me, you could look
at it as another way. Allthese trippy things started happening after Nick took
the acid, so this might bebefore any of that. Yeah, but

(56:57):
he wasn't seeing planets, all theseother weird things going on so much.
It was the acid that's making himthis is his uh, this is his
real how he's seeing reality. Okay, So like I thought, maybe this
might be in her mind. Whatif it was in his mind? Right
when they blew the whistle, wewere seeing that through the eyes of the

(57:19):
children of the Dawn and they stillcalled those weird dudes on their motorcycle.
Right, But you didn't see multipleplanets in the sky. You didn't see
the Mountain Brene the way it himand Mandy were talking. There was a
scene where they cut up and like, that's not a natural sky. It
was very oh yeah, yeah,I know which one it was, the
Aurora borealis. Oh, but Idon't remember it well enough. Okay,

(57:45):
maybe I feel and I get thatthere's a before and after you take the
acid and how you view things,But prior to that, I feel like
there isn't a consistent enough POV andthe movie for that to hold a lot,
like unless you're and this movie alot of roles, because right,
but that's if that's what they're sayingis from this point forward, it's a

(58:06):
POV kind of movie, which couldbe you don't often see that for somebody
that isn't in the movie for fortyfive minutes, you know. But maybe
I'm confused. Yeah, yeah,I mean I'll stand by that that I'm
with you, Benny, I'm confused. But man, was it so interesting

(58:29):
and wonder what is going on?Um now? And I said, absolutely
a visual treaty like this movie,um is one of the coolest things I've
seen in a very very long time, right, Um. Yeah, I
mean there's not a lot of moviesthat could even say they're in this kind

(58:50):
of weird. It's just so powerful. Yeah. But like I said,
but the color of the gore,the animation, the trippiness, like,
yeah, if Panos wanted to makesure that his movie stood out and couldn't
be compared to a lot of things, that the only movie I can compare
to the way it's going trippy,throwing in the animation, going back and

(59:14):
forth and everything was Natural Born Killers. Yeah. Yeah, kill Bill did
it too a little bit, andthey had some animation going on. Yeah,
but not for the same reason.I don't think that out bro,
Yeah, but I think Natural BornKillers kind of went that same direction.
Yeah, I haven't seen that fora good ten years. Okay, so

(59:36):
I can't. Yeah, I don'tknow. Now on the cage level,
where do you guys put this inthe pantheon of cage movies, cage acting?
USh, What do you think whyhe's starting with movie Betty? What
do you think that's tough? Ihave, like my top five or six

(01:00:00):
are pretty firm with him. Butit's up. I mean, it's not
what I love of him, youknow, Like my favorite cage isn't like
Wickerman where he's just fucking crazy,Like that's not that's not my favorite.
But I think that he was fuckingcrazy in this, but there was more
validity to the craziness, you know. Like so like I get it because

(01:00:22):
like if I watch my wife orwhomever get burned up in front of me,
I don't know what my screen willbe as I'm pouring vodka all over
myself. I tell you what,somebody does that to my wife, I'm
gonna smelt down an ass. I'llI'll tell you where I'll put it.
Though, as far as just kindof badass cool things he does, I

(01:00:42):
would put it in that subgenre ofcage probably second to con Air, just
because not second overall, but tojust like cool, badass killing kind of
ways. Because one of my favoritethings I've ever seen in the movie,
I think as when he let thatcigarette on the burning skull. That was
so I knew but I knew hewas gonna do that. Yeah, but

(01:01:04):
I'm okay that. I was like, he's gonna do that. But I
was like, that's one. Nowlook at the cage at one of his
most outrageous moments face Off. Yeah, that was off. Yeah, when
he came out like in the chapelafter he set the exactly when he was

(01:01:24):
rocking to the course singing and hewent behind and grabbed that girl's ass,
and I was like, that waslike him probably one of his most outrageous
acting moments, right, oh yeah, this is dialed down, Yeah,
I think from his Face Off.But at the same time, he has
some really good scenes. It's rampedout, like, but the movie is

(01:01:46):
so it's hard to that same videoI was watching or today we were talking
about his characters. You're talking aboutFace Off and said how he's still upset
that he only got to play thatcharacter for like a couple of minutes because
then they switched face the original character. Yeah, and it became somebody else
that he still wants to do awhole movie of just being just that guy.

(01:02:07):
Crazy guy. That would be I'dwatch it. Did you ever see
a Bad Lieutenant? Oh? Yeah, I think it's like that port call.
Is it good? Uh No,I think it's a different genres.
It's along the same lines as this, where it's completely ridiculous and involving drugs

(01:02:28):
as well, because there's there's onescene that's become pretty famous on the internet,
I think where he's I forget whatdrug he's using, but he blasts
off on something around all these drugdealers and then just there's minutes of him
just watching this fake iguana dance aroundon this of this desk. But it's
pretty silly. This is the BadLieutenant. Yeah, oh my god,

(01:02:50):
I had to see this movie.Should watch the original one with hard he
gets Harvard gets his dick out?Now? Oh yeah, just Nick get
his dick out there? Well it'sout, you don't see it. But
he gets to the alcup. Imean, it's not like I want to
see his dick. I'm saying,this dude's dick. And knowing that Nick
could have played that part, Ohman, the world would might have been

(01:03:13):
a better place. I don't thinkhe would have done it. Maybe everything
in the movie, all of thesudden, would have made sense if we
all saw his dick, the moviewould have made better sense. Nick.
Oh boy, maybe that would betrue. Uh what is your top U
Nick Cage movie? As far asacting and not box off, it's just

(01:03:35):
the one you're like, man,this is the ship. It's hard,
Uh leave Las Vegas is really highup there for me. The weather Get
an oscar or want an oscarcar?Yeah, the weather Man. I don't
know if you've ever seen. That'sanother just kind of walk around. Yeah,
it's crazy. It's that's that's kindof the beginning of crazy Nick Cage,

(01:03:57):
where well, not that he's doneit for years, but that doesn't
make even make sense. But it'sjust a it's a dude that it was
a shitty husband, shitty dad andshitty sun and just trying to figure it
all out. His performance is great. But the other one that I love,
and I think I've talked about onhere before is Vampire's Kiss with Him
that everybody should watch, and it'sone of the most hilarious movies ever.
I've only seen clips and they allare hilarious. He thinks that he's becoming

(01:04:20):
a vampire because prostitute bites him,so he thinks he's heard they can too
a vampire. It's so funny.Oh my gosh, I have to see
that. It's we should talk aboutthat soon. Maybe maybe um being basic,
but I really like Benjamin Gates.I like that Nick Cage performance for

(01:04:44):
and maybe because National Treasure, Maybebecause it's kind of like Indiana Jones,
right, yeah, of course kNAir. Oh yeah, fantastic despite his
accent. I really enjoyed the heckout of that. Trying to think some
other one rock Rock is great.Rock is great, but I feel like
Sean Connery, he stole the show. Yeah, yeah, rock, I'm

(01:05:11):
sorry about that. What out?Did you ever see Snake Guys? I
think probably around when it first cameout, or maybe a few years after
I saw it, but not sinceI saw Leaving Las Vegas. What's great?
Again? Great? But I feellike some of the more action Nick
Cage movies they're the ones to standout more. Yeah for me too,
of Raising Arizone though, Raising aDog, Yeah, I love that movie.

(01:05:36):
One of my favorite things ever.Also, the funniest things ever,
is when he's fighting John Goodman anotherother dude, and he scrapes his knuckles
on the popcorn see like just thatscreen. Yeah that hurts. Hunched and
thrown in the toilets and hasn't madea sound, but scat, Yeah,

(01:05:57):
you knuckles across that. That washurt. Even I had somebody say to
me like they hope this movie bringsNick is like a return of Nick Caves.
Do you think he everyone away oryeah he did, because when he
had all those financial movies coming out, like he can't be in every single

(01:06:18):
one, but all of his realrecent stuff has been just kind of video
one demand didn't really pay the ghost. Yeah. I will say though that
there's a lot of shit in there. But still his batting average and ship
movies is higher than just about anybodyelse's. That's really decent ones in there.
Um, I mean you look atBruce Willis. Uh, it's not

(01:06:40):
like he's done a lot in thepast ten years have been awesome, Like,
but look, you just care tobe in every awesome movie. I
think Nick's put out his resume iswinning for sure, for sure, even
even though he hasn't been something wetalked about past maybe five years. But
look what's dominated the box off thepast five years or ten years, Marvel

(01:07:03):
movies, right, So that's notlike a Cage vehicle now. And so
for him to be in some ofthese big movies that everybody's talking about,
so the smaller movies like this oneis where he can kill it because he's
not tethered to any bullshit, likesomebody just asked him the other day and
then interview though about Henry Cavill leavingSuperman, like, oh are you interested?

(01:07:29):
Yes, yes, I want tosee that still a movie. I
wish you was. It would itwould still be on people's top ten called
movie list. That's what we've said. Before watching that documentary. I you
see those pictures, you think it'sgoing to be terrible. But after watching
that document I'm in I think thatthey will have pulled the law. Here's

(01:07:53):
a question, Benny. If you'reKevin Figium, the head of the Marvel
movie a cinematic world and crushed itum and they can't they keep making a
big movies, big hits. Ifyou had to put Nick Cage in a
movie, you're like, you knowwhat, Nick Cage gotta be in the

(01:08:15):
Marvel cinematic universe. He loves comicbooks. This guy probably knows more about
comic books than half the actors thathave been in our movies easily. Who
how would you cast? Who wouldyou cast him? I can see aunt
man for him, just because there'sstill like a snark and funniness to that
that he could pull off as anolder Scott Lang or okay with with without

(01:08:39):
being you know, he's not gonnalike he was pretty big and kN air
and ripped up and stuff. Buthe's not ever gonna be like Chris Evans
or Hemsworth or so. You know, that's he can't do. That's all
that's their lives. Yeah, I'llconstantly work out that would say. Uh
And actually I was just reading somethingthe other day about how little Chris Evans
got paid for the last last onethat he did really nothing. It was

(01:09:01):
like five hundred thousand dollars or something. But then he's got the America right,
But I can see that. Idon't know, um, I don't
know. Trying to think of likesome obscure comic that he would be amazing
in. First one that comes tomind is The Green Goblin. You would
want him as the gob I wouldwant him as a hero though one of
my favor I think he would.I think he'd kill it is because I

(01:09:25):
think of how William Dafoe did it. Yeah, and I think he would
just totally crush it. I cansee that till So you see, that's
the thing like Nick Cage at onetime in the nineties was the hero in
movies, so now you're casting himas the villain. Well, you said,
what would you think Nick Cage wouldbe in the Marvel Why am I?
Why am I questioning? You saidto Marvel, Yeah, it's a

(01:09:46):
Marvel universe. He didn't say hero, But just the first thing that comes
to mind is the Green Goblin andthe way Dafoe played that character. I
think Cage could have done that.I think that's that's a good one.
That sounds good to me. Ithink I've mentioned this to you guys before,
and I don't think either of youhave read it. But have you
read Full Killer? It was likeearly nineties. It was I think there's

(01:10:09):
only like seven or eight issues,but it's essentially just uh and then Marvel
said it was just too violent andthen stopped dealing it. There was like
a cab driver that had just hadenough and then just went out on like
rampages. He could do that aboutMoonnight. So the character mark Spencer Mark

(01:10:33):
spum he uh kind of. Ithink he has like a two personalities or
mental issues. So Nick Case couldplay like hero but also nut job.
Yeah yeah, but he's also Imean, Moonnight is a badass and can
just f stuff up. Also poweredby an Egyptian god. I think that

(01:11:00):
would be I don't know. Doeshe need to be like super young so
that Marvel could like, well,we're gonna give you, we need ten
years out of your bro or howabout one kick ass movie where we just
get all of Nick Cage. Idon't know. I would say Moonnight.
I would be interested seeing him playingMoonnight. I could almost see him playing
Loki. Oh man, that wouldbe interesting. But Tom Hittleston, he

(01:11:26):
does what if we if we goover to DC, Well, in fact,
DC just just hire Knick Cage andyou might have a hit because right
now character does he play? Hecould play him all all the characters.
No, but this is not right, but it would be interesting. Uh

(01:11:47):
Constantine, Yeah, I could seethat, but the current the guy playing
Constantine it was on the WB islike perfect, They should just give him
every I've never seen. Oh mygod, it's good. Yeah, what's
his faces? Um? But Ihonestly like letting the Cage be in an

(01:12:13):
older Batman. Yeah. I wasthinking Batman too, and just trying to
figure my way around to them whatkind of movie it would be because I'm
over Super Dark Batman. Yeah,seen here more like I love it was
great for a minute, but well, actually, did you see that Joaquin
Phoenix pictures as the Joker? Yeah? I like that they're going different direction.

(01:12:34):
I do think I hate you pullit off. I mean, he's
pretty weird as it is. Ihate Waquin Phoenix. Why I don't like
him? I don't know what itis. There's no here, It's just
it's just the movies he's been in. I just don't like the way he
please characters. What is it?Yeah? It just rubs me the wrong

(01:12:59):
way. Ye know, there isn't. I can't really in point it.
I think he's gonna for the characterhe might be. We'll see. He
has his moment, and I tellyou what, I would love to see
him as the Joker and Nick Cageis the Batman. That would be like
for that that'd be trippy. Ijust like that. I know that Joaquin

(01:13:20):
Phoenix isn't going to want to doit the same way that the last couple
of guys. You know you're gonnaget something because what's his face was dog
shit and suicide Squad j Yeah,waste somebody who did Dynamo caught up shitty
Joker. Yeah No, I thinkHeath Ledger did a fantastic job that he

(01:13:43):
was the Joker did, but that'sstill something I can't do over and over
again. Yeah, Like, I'mhappy that was a one movie and I
can say, Okay, I'll watchedthat movie every three year. I mean,
it would be a movie. Hedefinitely The Dark Knight Rises. Yeah,
and I still love jazz Back,you know, And like that's the
thing outside. Jack Nicholson's one ofthe biggest movie stories of all time.

(01:14:03):
You see that him and the TimBurton Batman movie, and you can tell
it's Jack Nicholson right the way.But it's crazy Jack Nicholson. I'm fine
with that. What about what aboutNick Cage is the Joker? No?
What about Nick Cage as the Riddler? Oh, you're just trying to shove
him in there. I just startedcharacter. It was up to me.

(01:14:28):
I get Nick Cage in DC orMark. So you didn't like Jim Carrey?
Uh, not even talking about thatmovie? You guys watch Gotham?
No, I have not How youlooking at me like that because it's actually
really good. Yeah, but didn'tstart off like dog shit? Yeah yeah,

(01:14:50):
but it picked up. Okay,um, but the guy that I
but here's you watch a penny No, I think I saw the first two
episodes. Okay, the I playedthe Joker in it was fantastic. Yeah,
he was very good. I guess. My only problem with that is
I don't really care about Batman beforehe was Batman. Yeah, but they

(01:15:10):
Joker before. I mean, Ijust I would like to watch a movie
where Batman's kicking ass well as alittle kids still growing into Batman. But
its just me. As the serieshas gone on, I haven't watched the
last season, it expands on thevillains a lot more and less on Batman,
I guess, but I got forme, it always like his origin
story is so defined anyway, Yeah, we don't need to go further,

(01:15:34):
and we know Joe Chill kill killhis parents. Maybe sometimes Joe Chill's the
Joker maybe sometimes he hasn't you know, like, well, however you want
to do it, but right Iguess, I guess I don't want it
to be where like Batman had tobecome Batman because Gotham was so corrupt with
all of these villas, Like thenwhat good is it? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:15:57):
Batman's gonna die sometime and it's gonnakeep happening anyway. You know,
I kind of want the villains tobe in response to him. Yeah,
but he breaks up a couple ofrobberies or something like that and saying,
fuck this, dude, I'm goingto take over this. And if they
do that. In Batman the animatedseries, there were a couple. What
you're saying is like the reason there'svillains is because yes, yeah, so

(01:16:20):
everything Batman is trying to do exactlyevery day, and that's war Batman.
Like I think it's different for Supermanbecause Superman isn't isn't uh um vigilante,
well, not like an intellectual,Like he just has these powers. He
has to do this kind of stuff. That the opportunity that you have with

(01:16:42):
Batman is that kind of introspection kindof where should I I don't want to
be doing this, should I evenbe doing this? I have the resources,
But are we better off today thanwhen I started fighting crime? No?
But also were here right now?Do I need to solve this?
And then Batman lives in the worldthe same as Superman, Like, don't

(01:17:03):
you think Superman could probably take careof crime everywhere? Perusua can literally just
go and hang out on the ocean, the beach and have a good time.
Yeah, because like even in themovies they have Superman just chilling above
Earth listening and he could, likehe could like he could take care of
Gotham too. Yeah, Batman doesn'tneed to jump over here. Every time

(01:17:27):
Batman gets his copy of the DailyPlanet and sees a story written by Clark
Kent, he's just fuming. Yougot Superman. But also in the DC,
you got Green Lantern. Like literallyBatman can just sit back and be
a millionaire. Yeah right, yeah, I mean, well, okay,
so if he's in Justice League alittle bit, so he has some pool,

(01:17:48):
he could just be like, hey, Green Lantern, Hey Superman,
Yeah, can you take care ofmy city? Because I really would like
to stop getting punched in the faceat night? Right he doesn't Yeah,
yeah, it doesn't hurt you.Yeah, that's always uh in the comic
books, and even like I feellike a ban afflag on screen when they
he takes his outfit off and yousee his back. Yeah, he's covered

(01:18:11):
in scars and bruises. Yeah,Green Lantern's not. No, he's protected
by the I'll just ask you that, like, dude, hook me up.
I'll be Yeah, Batman be adetective. You get stabbed less if
you just sit behind your computer andfigure shot out and then tell Green Lantern
alright, picked these dudes. Yeah, m that would make a very uninteresting
comic book obviously, right. Yeah, And everybody that loves Batman thinks I'm

(01:18:34):
a jerk for you even saying,but hey, oh Lisily has more deets.
She is not talked about Mandy sincewe got distracted. Yeah, I
was like, should we go backto what we were actually talking about?
Many details go ahead? All right? Well, uh so Jeremiah sand who
was the cult leader. They there'ssome people that think that their similarity between

(01:19:00):
him and Charles Manson. Oh that'sinteresting. Yeah, so Manson he was
a failed musician, right, whoalso took it very personally when his musician
musicianship was insulted musicianship. Musicianship.I know, I was like, I
can't even say it. Uh so, and then of course you know in

(01:19:24):
the movie and he he definitely gothe got offended when she was laughing and
well, I mean I think thatwas more. Yes, um, so
he got offended by that. Umsand refers to his victims as pigs,
as did Manson and his followers.Uh And then psychedelic drugs were also used

(01:19:46):
before And I bet that Jeremiah wasn'tdoing any of the killing himself. Yeah,
no, absolutely, because when NicholasCage confronted him at the end,
he started saying up, blow youand stuff like that immediately suck horrible.
So I don't know if if there'sa similarity, maybe he was, um
they used Manson as kind of likethat makes sense because wasn't his victims,

(01:20:13):
wasn't he wasn't capturing his own thatthat totally that totally works out. But
I don't know. I do lovethat kind of stuff though, Like I
I hate when movies give the opportunityfor like the bad guy, unless it's
like a badass bad dude for overlike a course of like a series.
When they gave that guy the opportunityto have like the last word and still
look like a tough guy. No, that my hero should be owning that.

(01:20:36):
Dude. I know, this onewent to depths I've never really seen
before because I actually, before heeven started saying I'll suck your day,
I thought, Wait, did hejust say I'll blow you? He did?
Yes, he did. Oh he'sgonna say it again, Okay,
And I actually did like kind oflike the back and forth he was having

(01:20:57):
um with himself, if I guessgoing from they don't do anything I can
to fuck you, I'm crazy,I'll do this. You should be kneeling
before me, and then you know, but that's the other thing though about
about that cult itself. There wasone point earlier where I think he was
saying it to Nick. He mighthave been saying it to Mandy where he

(01:21:19):
said something about you know what JesusChrist's flaw was? And then whatever he
said, so like he clearly sawhimself as the Messiah and then oh yeah
later, but like it still washow did these people find him? You
know, even when he pulled outthe when Nick was tied up on that
cross and that guy pulled out theblade, right I thought they were trying

(01:21:43):
to, like say, it wassort of like the spearhead that jah Jesus.
Oh. They were like, thisis the tainted blade of blah blah
blah, and then they stabbed withit and it was shaped like a spirit.
Like, Okay, there's some levelsof stuff going on that I don't
fully symbolism. Yeah, yeah,interesting, Yeah, so I don't I

(01:22:05):
don't know if they were using CharlesManson as like their their guide as far
as like to create this character.Nobody should do that. No, but
I'm saying, like, I don'tknow if they were using him as like,
this is what we're going to makethis character to be like, or
if he was just more like oris this a coincidence? Right? Part

(01:22:27):
of me hopes not, because thenif they did, then maybe some of
the other batshit crazy things have somekind of ground. Oh yeah. But
anyway, the last thing I wantto say about this movie is a quote
from an article I read today whichI thought was very succinct to like how
I think about it. Um.This is a half revenged thriller, half

(01:22:50):
trippy mural on the side of avan um. It's deliberately paced, ultra
violent outlandishly stylish delivery system for NicholasCage's wild eyed acting style, and a
thoughtful meditation about why death metal totallyrules. Well, we're gonna end our

(01:23:15):
Mandy conversation with little voice message fromour bud, Evil Corny Cornelius. Let's
see what he has to say.What up, Punch Farm. This is
Evil Corny. I'm calling to tellyou all about how much I liked Mandy.
I thought it was real dream like, and I think that I might

(01:23:36):
have been hallucinating during most of thefilm. Also, I want to really,
at some point get some of thatgoblin macaroni and cheese. That commercial
kind of threw me for a loopseeing that right after what happened with his
wife and everything, and I wasstill like saying to myself, damn,

(01:24:00):
guys, I've been loving the podcast. I'm glad you went back to the
original theme song, Evil Corny out. Oh thanks, Evil Corny, appreciate
it. Yeah, and we talkedabout that earlier. But yeah, you're
right after what happened to his wifeand then we get that commercial on the
TV. Yeah, they're like laugha little bit, Yeah, because it's

(01:24:23):
a We're you're in for a prettymassed up ride. So but that was
the most deliberate ye kind of chanceat some kind of levity too, Like
I don't know, like unless Iwas just supposed to assume him blasting off
off on the drugs was left.I don't know, but you know,
it was a while to ride.That movie is a while run. I'm

(01:24:44):
definitely, Uh, I'm gonna saywatch it, go see you. It's
on it's on Amazon. Uh,it's worth It's worth the Reynold because you
can't understand the single thing we talkedabout to It's really that Yeah, And
it makes me definitely want to watchhis other movie that was eight years ago,

(01:25:08):
Black Rainbow. Yeah, it's BlackRainbow. They're supposed to be pretty
not similar, but like they havethe kind of the same style, right,
you know what I mean? AndI saw I was watching some YouTube
stuff and the director said, ifthe Black Rainbow was like the Black Rainbow
was like an inhale, Mandy islike an exhale. And I'm like,
I don't even know what you're talkingabout. And that's just these movies.

(01:25:31):
His movies just must be very justthey're surreal, they're trippy. You get
out of them, what you yea, which you can get out of them.
Yeah, I thought it was avisual dessert from my eyes. I
loved it. I can't say Iunderstand what the hell happened, but it
was cool, right, Yeah,So you gotta watch it for yourself.

(01:25:53):
I highly recommend watching it. I'mnot saying you're gonna love it, but
you're gonna come away with something.Fuck. I couldn't even greater if I
tried it. I don't even know. I know, because I feel like
I loved it, but I hatedit too, like I didn't understand a
lot of things. So like Idon't know where to place it. Yeah,

(01:26:15):
I don't know. I want tomention here quick. I was trying
to look something on Facebook. EvilCorny the guy, he just left us
a message here. He also wason a podcast he's a co host of
from from the Canopy movie Massacre.So go check that out and thanks Corny,
thanks for listening to the show.Anything else, because we've just caged

(01:26:38):
the hell out, I'll tell youdeath metal Rules. Also got a message
from my boy just to be andhe thought it'd be cool if we talked
about some eighties cheese stuff. Andsince that seems to be where we're leaving
that. I think we might.Uh, there's a lot of great action
movies I'd love to talk about.We were talking about one of my favorite

(01:27:00):
moves in the eighties, Rocky three, Oh, simply because I think,
uh, I and the Tiger justis the best song ever U. So
yeah, we might start mixing thingsup with new and old. But with
Benny here, he's I've only watchedRocky three seven hundred times. Man,
we should do like a whole runof the Rocky movies because they do go

(01:27:23):
from Oscar Oscar winning movie too,almost as batshit crazy as the movie we're
talking about right now, because thinkabout it, No, they don't get
that bad. Oh all of asudden, Rocky's got to unite the United
States and Russia. If you likeit still wasn't do you don't think that's

(01:27:45):
wasn't that bad. That's straight forthem. At the end of Rocky five
is pretty batshit crazy. Oh withthe Tommy gunn which is like fight scene.
I love it, but it's it'salso like the worst Rocky movie in
the series, Oh my gosh.Yeah, because the one after that was
Balboa, right, yeah, withthat great a freaking movie made me crows
and then uh, technically Creed isin the series, right, and when

(01:28:11):
he did the whole thing about cancer, I know, I was like,
damn. I was like remember inthe eighties when he fought Clever Lang and
a Right, get back to thatbecause right now, the past two movies
you're just making me ball. Wellthis next one, that's Apollo Creed's son
fighting Ivan Drago's son. So thatshould be fun. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:28:32):
do you think they'll go uh?Is deep? Because I thought that Creed
was very emotional, very deep?Uh, Michael be killed it for sure.
Do you think they're gonna sis they'redoing like the Creed drag? You
think they're gonna be a little bitmore ham Fits, a little bit lighthearted,
like, hey, we know we'repaying a homage to the trailer.

(01:28:54):
Doesn't seem that way? Wait there'sa trailer? Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean this is coming out inlike a month and ano oh yeah wow,
why have I not seen anything aboutthat? Of course they're going to
use the theme song too. Ican't wait. Yeah, check it out,
you know, And I don't needthe movies to be is goofy as

(01:29:15):
Rocky three? Yeah, but itwas nice. Yeah, there's like a
lot of humor, a lot oflikeness to it. Well, yeah,
but that just shows I mean Stallone'syou know, like he did he write
this one? This one, Idon't know if he wrote it. I
know he's directing this one is init. Yeah, he's in it.
But I know that this the lastone that he was just a supporting actor.
That was it. He didn't haveanything else to deal with it.

(01:29:38):
And this one there's a lot moreStallone that's even as a supporting actor.
I thought he without him that movie, oh it doesn't work. Yeah,
No, I mean he was great. He I think he gave one of
the best performances of his life.I agree. He shot on an Oscar
for Yeah. When he was doingthat, they were in the hallway and
he was just talking to to Michaelb about, you know, his wife

(01:29:58):
having cancer and the whole thing.I'm like, geez, this is like,
yeah, you're right. He shouldat least got a nod. He
did, okay, well, butthey did not win. My bad.
Do you think I would pay attentionto the honest I go to my friends
Oscar party every year, but Idrink, so I don't really pay attention.
Wow, we definitely have to puta rocky movie into our our conversation.

(01:30:20):
Guys, this has been amazing.This has been a wacky movie to
discuss. You have to check itout for yourself. Yeah, that's all
I can say. Nick Cage forPresident. You guys are awesome. Check
you out next time. Then remember, keep on punching.

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