Survivor 49 Draft Update

Join Phillip Solomon from Deal or No Deal Island Season 2, Reality After Show Podcaster Lauren Pratt, and Jake Jermyn as they give a Survivor 49 Draft Update!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's going on. We are back.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We are talking Survivor forty nine, giving you a draft
update today, and as always, I'm joined by Philip from
Dondie and then I have Jake in the house with me.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
How are y'all today?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I mean, we're here, we're black, we're blessed, We're ready
to go to the merge finally. Please. But as a whole,
as long as we're here, and I'm here, you're here,
everyone's here, let's get it going.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
You know, I can't top that. I'm just gonna say
what he said, but like parts of it.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, he's just as black and blessed.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So I'm just gonna put it straight here. Aside from
the episode last night, all the rest of them could
have been an email, right.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I I okay, because I would have talked a lot
of shit like a year ago. But now that I've
been on the other end, there are so many things
that I'm like seeing online and seeing people blaming the
players for that. I'm like, that is a producer thing,
that is an edit thing that has nothing to do
with them per se. So there are a lot of

(01:09):
things that I want to kind of debunk, denystify, right now, please, right?
Are these emotional players with heartfelt stories? Yes, when you
get to the island, however, do you have a one
on one interview for about two to three hours in
which they ask you to tell all those stories that
they can use at their own disposal. Also, yes, So

(01:32):
I will say that, like as many stories as I
had on my show, I didn't tell them while they
were happening. They just chose to include them as they
wanted to to make it feel more relevant. So I
will also say that, like, although these are emotional players,
I don't want you to think that, like all of
a sudden, it's so hot and so hungry, you'll be
like and then this one time in third grade, Like,

(01:54):
that's not how it happens. You do tell all these
stories in a row, and they kind of use them
as they want. So I want to get that off
the table. These are emotional people, but they're also like
very rational people, so understand that, Like the producers are
pretty heavy handed.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
In this, Jake, what do you think I mean?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
I I've known this for a long time when I
started getting more involved in like watching these shows and
like caring more than.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Just like, oh, this is it I've known.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Like, in the same way that everyone makes fun of
what people are wearing, they have no say on that thing.
On those things like Cochrane's famous sweater vest he didn't
want to wear on an island. Obviously, there's certain things
that you just get there. I think it's like they
just give you a clothes you give them a clothes
package and they come back with and cool, you're wearing these,
and so like, I've known that ultimately, at the end

(02:43):
of the day, you are a character at a TV
show and production is going to put the story that
they want to put forward. And I mean I've I
think we've talked a little bit back and forth Lauren
on this. Like the only two episodes I think could
have been an email realistically were the two swap episodes
the last two weeks, mostly due to the fact that

(03:04):
they were foregone conclusions due to unfortunate swap members. Now well,
I also say at the same time, thank you Survivor
for not fixing it to a point where it's very
clear that they wanted an interesting swap, because that was
objectively not fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
But it still helps me.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Make the confidence that the game is going the way
it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
So here's my only thing.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I actually really enjoy the cast of people that we have.
I just think some of the ways, as Philip you mentioned,
it has been edited this season is what is causing
it to be a little bit lowered down for me
because I'm not as excited about it, if that makes sense.
This last episode gave me everything we had, the personality.
I enjoyed the twist. I thought it was fun that

(03:46):
they did it this way. It wasn't predictable going into
it because the cast was thinking one way and they
said nope, we're doing this, and said I was fine
with it. And then I also think we got the
whole turnaround of the vote the way the vote went.
So I really enjoyed this past episode. This is the
survivor that I'm looking for. And as you said, Jake,
it's very difficult the two previous ones where we just

(04:08):
know the predictability of it all. There was nothing where
I knew that another person was potentially going home on
those two boats.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
It just was never happening.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So hot take.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I think I'm only retroactively okay with the twist this
time around, and it's only because the odd man out
didn't go home, like the swap of it all like
everything where hey we have three and one all three tribes,
it's like, okay the MC, we can get to the
MC situation where that would have been messy.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
But like the like Stephen EMC.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
And who was it Alex, No, it wasn't Alex.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It was.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
On Red, Nate, Nate, Nate. Those three were the sitting ducks,
just waiting to go home. And so I am glad
that ultimately it didn't happen that way. And I do
agree with you from the personality standpoint. We watch these
people actually act as humans played the game of survivor.
It didn't feel like it was just a oh, we're
just waiting until tribal till we go to tribal to

(05:12):
nine and then we just vote out the obvious person
right there and then we come back and rinse, repeat
and hope first of all like that.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, So for me, I think the show formula is
what's broken, not necessarily the cast. Don't get me wrong.
There are some duds, some people that we've seen speak
maybe twice ever, Sophie. But like the thing is, I
think you know you know that when I watch these

(05:44):
shows I go. They had to make it through eight
to ten zoom interviews and in person interviews and whatever,
so something about them had to pop. The edit just
isn't allowing them to pop, and so like, I can't
say they're a boring person. I just have to be like, no,
I wish their edit was better and stronger to really
show us why they got on the cast, Like it's

(06:05):
a hard it's one of the hardest cast on television
to get on. And so in turn, I'm not trying
to say that, like there are boring people, but I
just want to really know what they saw in them,
because there's a few that I was like, I don't
get it. I think the formula of the show is
a little broken. I think starting in three tribes instead

(06:28):
of two, your numbers are too small, and so I
think that even though it has the same outcome, it's
not the same play of the game. With three tribes,
you're playing to not go home. With two tribes, you're
playing to win, if that makes sense. And so in turn,
like numerically speaking, you can't just play to not go

(06:50):
home because then no one ever makes a move. They're
just like as long as there's not like you and
then no one ever does anything. But in two there
are so many people there used to be like okay,
who could I align with law term Like now we're
playing like a real game instead of just not me tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
There's like that weird level of like like I think
it was I think it was Sage who said it,
maybe two weeks ago or something. It's like, you want
to make the move, but the person who makes it
was actually last night. It was like you when you
make the move, then the target then goes on your back.
When there's two few people, everyone sees what has been done.
But when you start with like and I know it's hard.
From an editing like, there's probably a level of it's

(07:26):
easy to edit three tribes of six a lot easier
than it is two tribes of ten, But like from
an editing stamp or from a gameplay standpoint, if you're
on a tribe of ten, you can get a bunch
of people together and then the entire inner dynamics of
that tribe can swap in a minute, because you can
also obfuscate what you actually did to make that move,
get what you need done, and then go back into

(07:47):
the shadows and.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
That's what Australia does so much better. With those two tribes.
There are people that you don't even hear from till
episode twelve, but somehow they have played that as such
a long term game that then in their final tribal
council speech they can bring you back to episode one
and be like, oh, that's like they really have something
to discuss. But in a group of four or five,

(08:11):
your cards have to be on the table at all times,
which you're like, it doesn't really make for a very
triumphant ending, if you will, because I feel like everyone
knows your path than what you did to get here.
I do love the more consistent switching. That's another thing
that I think Australia does better than America because by

(08:31):
the time we get to the merge, every Australian player
has met every other one, which in America does not
always happen. Sometimes at them are just like the very
first time they've even shook cancer said hello, and you're like, well,
this is weird now, And so they do stay in
those tribe. The tribal lines are a little bit more
clearly defined when they don't meet each other, but when
you're constantly moving and switching. You can't really do that anymore.

(08:55):
And I do love that.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
This is making me wonder if the extra switching they've
done here, because they haven't done this in a while.
Is was a like litmus test to see what fifty
was going to look like, knowing that they were probably
gonna have more than eighteen people, because they can have
twenty four as a couple of fun numbers when you
get down to board swap like twenty four, twenty eighteen, sixteen,

(09:18):
and then hell even fifteen and now to twelve. Like
I could see them going to four trips of four.
I could see them doing some really wacky shit.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
The opportunities are endless, and that is what I'm looking
forward to, because I think what we were running into
the formula in the format has gotten stale. It's predictable
every single New Era season. This is exactly when we're merging.
This is exactly what we're doing. We're going down to
the two tribes of ten, all this and that, And
that is why I enjoyed this episode so much, because

(09:47):
we did something different which then sets you up, as
you said, for a future season. They have a prime opportunity.
I don't know where they're playing for fifty but prime
opportunity to come in fifty one.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay, people were happy about the two tribes. Let's start
in the two trips.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Then we can get the five to four potential vote,
then we can get the four to three vote as
it continues to dwindle on. So I am enjoying that
they're at least dabbling into this now, for giving it
an opportunity to then be something for the future.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Hell, they even like Jeff played into it. Jeff literally
is like, is this the mergatory challenge? Is like, they
know that they've kind of set it up, so I
do appreciate that they're like, this is what we've done.
It's different, Buckle up, what's that fun?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
The only thing that I think could have made last
night better was an individual immunity challenge that would send
all three tribes to tribal at the end, get rid
of one from each, make a sweep. And you're like, whoa,
that turned the entire game on its tip, because then
numbers don't matter anymore. So for me, that means that
we all go to the merge, go into travel at

(10:48):
least one time, and that's awesome to me. Ooh, that'd
be terrifying. Send everybody in. I don't care send them
all in.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I mean that was the thing too, is because like
the previous showed the three trips, right, and I think
I spent the entire week thinking, how is this gonna work?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Is it gonna be?

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Are they really just gonna send four people to tribal?
Which is rough because the thought process of like, oh,
I'm I'm completely dependent on the swap, like what the
swap looks like could screw me or make me and
that's no questions asked. But then there's also the idea of,
like I kind of thought it would be like some
weird pseudomergatory where hey, four the tribe that wins the

(11:26):
challenge is safe and doesn't go to tribal, and then
the other dude do go to tribal, and then either
they're together they're separate something like that.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
But who know.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, I'm just happy, like maybe they'll get a
real merge fiecet this next week. They all get to eat, right.
I think Sophie might die if she doesn't need something else.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
My girl, my girl is is suffering. I talked to
her on Instagram, probably like every week and I was like,
tell me that you have some kind of like retribution coming.
She's like slowly but surely. I was like, thank you,
because like I'm like, guys, can we start to go
hun me to get this girl a snack? Like what's happened?
Give me too expressive? To a pizza? From here to Fiji?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Like she has had the worst first what is that?
Like eleven days in the history of survivment. I'm like,
oh this.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
And on the flip side, I mean she went to
not like other like she only didn't go to one tribal.
On the flip side, Sophie, Christina and MC have all
not gone a travel.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yet, which is crazy. But I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
What you said she a shoe, which to me is
the equivalent of you know, when you're really mad and
you storm out of the room and you catch the
loop from your belt on the and you like like
that to me is like I'm hungry, I'm tired, like
and then I lost my shoe like like what I'm like,

(12:48):
oh my girl, Oh no.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
So tough.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
And the fact of that matter is I am enjoying
her storyline.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
You do root for those people because you want to
see it. Finally, come to.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Light for them because they've had it so rough for
so long. And I'm not trying to knock on this
season because what I If it starts poor and ends
really well, I am all here for that. And I
think we are going to go in with an awesome
merge and options. It is not going to be predictable, folks,
because there's people that have meant almost everybody. They're going

(13:22):
to work with different people.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
We saw the vote.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That happened tonight, and I think that's going to be
a huge game changer going in because guess who's going
to be pissed.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Savannah and Rizzo are going to be.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
So angry, and I cannot wait to see that fallout.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
So they kind of set it up.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
That Savannah looked at Shannon like her number one, and
I'm sure that probably had changed after the last four
rounds of her being with Rizzo and not having it
being with Rizzo and Nate and not having or Shannon
at all. But like, I don't know, it's gonna be
interesting just the fallout of effectively friendly fire.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Also too, she doesn't Savannah does not enjoy Juwan. So
that's what I'm saying because think about it. Joan shows
up to this with a smile on his face, and
I want to see Savannah's reactions because she's not going
to be happy. They're all going and expecting Stephen to
be the one going home. They're probably thinking it's a

(14:25):
no brainer, nothing's going to go wrong, and then the
shot that they're going to receive, it's going to be
pretty epic.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I'm sure to an extent though, mc probably gave Rizzo
and Savannah and Sophie a heads up on what the
dynamics of that tribe were like when they were in
the twos because like the very clear it was going
to be saved or Sophie probably was very open, especially
given the fact that Savannah and Rizzo just cut the

(14:54):
neck of like slit Matt and Jason's throat like it
was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I'm interested it's gonna be I hope it gets more fun.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I think that savan has proven herself to be a
very good judge of character. So was she working with Channon, Yes,
but from episode one, was she like I don't know
how long I can do this bullshit?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
She was just like I called out chat in the
least pretentious way possible. I have never been so spot
on about a cast from their initial interviews to like
normally right right now. I was like, you, guys, I
was so wrong about all the thing. And I was like, Nope,
every single one I could hold. I could hold every opinion. Again,
I stand ten does down on everything I did six

(15:38):
weeks ago. Where did they find her?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Boston?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
She's here, Here's where I am.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
The greatest wearing shoes. I don't know where they found her?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Can I can I tell y'all something though?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
What speaking of not wearing shoes, when I went to
the viewing party, Annie wasn't wearing shoes. Ann, it's just
walking around Boston shoeless.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Andy, Andy, and any Anny.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
From this season completely shoeless, just walking around Boston, completely
shoeless in the Greatest Bar.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It was something you know.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
As someone who's also from Austin, I can't claim that behavior.
We don't do that around here. I don't know where
she learned that, but like, it's not here, don't come
to If you're coming here, throw on some shoes, please,
thank you, and good night.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Philp's like, and that's a wrap. But let's talk about
some of our draft teams here.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
So I'll let Jake take it away because we all
have people still in. We've lost people, we've maybe teared
up about those people, going. I don't know, but Jake's
gonna take it away.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
What am I doing here? I'm just saying who's got who?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Will just say yes, just say who has who?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yes, Lauren, You've got EMC and this is in draft orders,
so I'm gonna read them from like top to that. Lauren,
you still have MC Sophie, Juwan and Sophie, so both Sophie's. Ironically,
your last two picks are the only two you've lost,
so Jeremiah and Matt.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So I feel pretty good about that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
So at least I was getting some inclination that potentially
this was not going to go well for those folks.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Uh, Philip, you have Savannah, Sage and Nate. You lost
Nicole and Shannon, and then because Shannon was the last
pick of the night, and and then we uh, you
lost Jake to a secret and I still that snake. Uh.

(17:33):
And I still have Rizzo, Alex, Christina, and Stephen.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So mixed bag.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay, but if you would have asked me when we
did our draft picks to name my like top eight,
it probably would be who's left right now. Like, I
feel like we had a pretty good handle on this
where I feel like even I was like, Yo, Nicole's

(18:05):
gonna be hilarious, but she's going home early. But I
won her on my spot anyway, cool, great Shennon needs
to come back down to earth because people are gonna
hate like it's gonna get old quickly. And when she
was like Jesus got high on God, I was like,
we're not doing this out bye. So like I think
that all this we said we're gonna happen happened, even
though he were like he's probably a great player, but

(18:28):
they're gonna see him go old send him home, which
we're like, okay, whether that's hair or not, we know
how Survivor works. And so in turn, if you would
have asked me to pick the ones that we thought
we're gonna still here, I agree with that that's fair. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I think the only real one that we would all
probably guess would still be in the game is Jake
mm hmm. And I mean even then, they just lost
everything because they couldn't do a puzzle to save their life.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
So I talked to Jake. Do you want the insider
information on See Great? Whatever the hell that is?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, So I talked to Jake pretty often, and it
was like the day after the episode, I was like,
can you really like walk me through this?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I was like, because I just need I'm a visual learner.
Also talk to me like I'm eight years old? How
did this all happen? And he goes, all right, my guy,
my dude, And I was like, anyway, So he goes,
what happened is every morning he went down to the
water and he closed his eyes and talked to his

(19:40):
wife and his son who wasn't there yet, and said,
I hope you can hear me wherever you are and
all and all of my other stuff. So they would
very rarely record it because it happened every day. I also,
on my ield, did the same thing where I would
just like be the first one awake and we'd go
out to the water and just stare because I'd be like,
I have no idea what's going to happen on day.

(20:00):
Dear Lord, but don't let me drown in front of
all of America, because Lord knows I can't swim anyway.
So he was like, so, my eyes were closed, and
I heard the water come up, and I felt like
a sharp like something on my toe. You go. So
that's when I immediately opened my eyes. And by the
time I had opened my eyes, the snake had already
slithered away in the water. The water had already left

(20:20):
my legs, and that's why he was like, that's why
I had no idea. And I was like, I think
this just happened, but I'm not really sure. He was like,
my eyes were closed, and so in turn, I was like, yeah,
because the edit makes it look like there's a snake
in my boot and I don't know what's happening. And
I'm like, yeah, So, like I swear to you, he's
a normal, intelligent man. He just had his eyes closed

(20:41):
and so when the water came up, he literally didn't
see it happen. I mean, it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
It's just oh no, I totally get it. It's just
such a like I mean what like Stephen Jeff said it.
He's like, we have Fijians who run production with us,
and they've lived here their entire life, and they don't
know anyone who's been bitten by a secret like it
is one of those holy hell, wrong place, wrong time,

(21:09):
because like even if he was just sitting back like
an extra two feet sitting on the sand not the water, like,
it sucks, and I feel for the man.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, he did not want to go home at all.
In fact, they couldn't even take care of him in
heg at all. Yeah in Australia, right, Yeah, he had
to go to a hospital in Australia to keep views
on him for the next like forty eight to seventy
two hours before they could send him home. So, like
I think, with everyone being like he wanted to leave
the game to go home, I go he didn't even

(21:38):
go home immediately. They physically could not allow him to
go back onto the island because they couldn't monitor him
how they needed to, and so in turn, he didn't
really have an option. But just so that you know,
I spoke to him, and the situation is way more
normal and natural than it looked on national television.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm glad you clarified that too, because obviously everyone's going,
how is this not being filmed?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Why did we not see this?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
There's cameras on them twenty four to seven. So the
fact of the matter is if someone's doing a routine
that why would we be filming? But now I think
we're filming all the time no matter what.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, definitely, I just I just know that, Like even
for me, I swore it was like twenty four hour
surveillance or one whatever else. And then I realized that,
like cameras never came up to me unless there was
someone else with me. If you're just alone eating or
alone staring off into space or whatever else, they're not
recording you because nobody cares. They have more than enough
information of no one wants to watch me stare at water,

(22:36):
especially if I do it every morning for hours at
a time, because you don't want to. They can use
it whenever they need to, right, And so in turn
they do it for day like one or two if
they ever need it for like a background shot or
whatever else. But like as a whole, why would cameras
be there? And so it's not until he was like,
uh oh, someone was like happened to be shooting something
in the area and turned around and saw him, and

(22:58):
that's why we didn't actually.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
See Okay, But I love the break of the fourth wall.
Getting to see the safety book that was super cool,
Like cool. I love that, like that they in the
same way shitty situations that make it happen. But like
the Caleeb thing too, where they kind of drop the
whole this is a show and let you see everything
in the background and showing them that, like, yeah, they
get a book that shows them what they can eat,

(23:21):
what they should stay away from, what should what they
should avoid Like this, it makes more sense because you
wouldn't expect these people to get a crash course of
like here's Fiji and wildlife that you can trust while
also simultaneously shitting their pants and Ponderosa waiting to start
the game because no one's even paying attention. Hell, we're
talking to each other the entire time.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I love Alex's reaction of Blake. He goes, Hey, the
only poison this thing that you need to worry about
is a secret black white shirt. I think you're gonna
be good, Jake. This is mad. This is really bad.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I think he was trying to be super calm in
a moment for him. But how would you have approached that,
Jake and Philip?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Would you have gone there freaking out? Or how would
you have gone about that?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Whatever I tell you right now will not be accurate.
I can sit here and say I'd be calm, cool
and collected. I think Alex did a great job of
helping Jake not freak out at the moment. But I
think all of that facade went away as soon as
the guy the producer on the boat was screaming?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Is he breathing as the boat was pulling up?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
But like I'd like to think that I'd be more cool,
But I think at the end of the day, like
I know how I am with disasters and the potential
death of someone right in front of.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Me, not well, not good. Oddly enough, I think I'd
handle it pretty well, only because of my occupational history.
I think when you teach in middle school, as long
as you do, you learn how again god forbid, medical emergency, school, shooting,
or whatever else, you learned to take in the information
and not let that information or at least that heightened

(25:04):
anxiety and being scared translate to the rest of the room,
because it's your job to hold it all together. So
even like working where I work, if someone falls off
a treadmill or whatever else, we have protocol to keep
the class going and attend to the person that's injured.
All the stats like we're not allowed to like everybody's
not No, that isn't a thing. And so in turn,

(25:25):
I think only because of my employment experience would I
kind of have the same views that Alex would. But
like if I was any normal American, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm the same as Philip because I also work in
education as well. You are basically trained to be able
to multitask various different ways and also stay in the
moment and be calm for everybody else, because then if
the whole entire room explodes, it's just an even bigger disaster.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
No, not my appitation.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So I want to start one person. Can we talk
the stage of it all?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Please?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Oh? I love her.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
If I'm nervous, she's not gonna be as fun now.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Though I think she was a.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Great Shannon Foil, But I'm nervous she's not unless she
finds someone else to kind of like have that reaction to.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I don't know it'll be Juste because I already like
they worked real well together. They seem to like each other.
I don't want it. I don't want it. He makes me,
he makes me. I'm manifesting.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
This is it coming in the vibes in the area
of the podcast, or.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
He makes me either want to punch him or punch me.
I don't even know. It's just it's hard to watch.
And him and Steven last night, I was like, this
is gross. I hate everything that's happening right now. We're
like it was giving like weird that you know, that
scene and step brothers when they were starting to get
along and he's like, do you want to go do

(26:58):
karate in the Basem's like yeah, man, And I'm like,
I hate this. I hate this. I need you to
go play Survivor instead of whatever the hell you're doing
right now.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You didn't want the gummy bears.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Who's your favorite Marvel superhero? Big Marvel gut here? I
was like, I don't get the picture. I just don't
want it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I Juwan for me.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
My biggest problem is John was so surprised that Shannon
would even think of turning on him, even think it
was a possibility.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Juwan's read so off, has been off the entire season.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Is not aware whatsoever that Savannah doesn't like him.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Has no clue. I mean, we've seen it. How do
you take.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Someone else's bag and put items in their bag?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And not know how does this happen? Folks?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I mean, you could make the mistake, but for me,
it's not about the mistake, it's about the remorse. After
he didn't have any he was like, oh, all right,
cool bye, and you're like it again. Now we're gonna
cin it out. Now we're gonna do all the things
to make up for it and do better, because apologies
don't mean anything without change behavior, and as we saw,
the behavior didn't change. And so for me, I think

(28:11):
I can classify him as an educator as someone that
has a reading disability. Not when it comes to the book,
but when it comes to the room. He can't do it.
He can't read any social situation. And I'm like, that's
a big problem in survivor, because that's how you win.
You win by like being like not only knowing what's happening,
but what's going happen if to use that information to

(28:32):
be like, here's the next step. And I don't think
he has that.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I also think it's like self perception, right, because like
I think, like put myself on the island, you're mortified
of what people are thinking about you. And so the
fact that like there was a point where he was like, oh,
I'm going to uh like I use Savannah's bag. Oh shit,
And then it happens again, like how are you not
like quadruple checking it's your stuff? Because also what happens

(28:57):
when you actually when you do find something and then
you accidentally put it in Savannah's bag and is that
considered giving it to her?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Like it's her bag, her property? I would be I
would say it's her, it's in her bag.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
That is a game of Survivor lawyer, and I don't
want to play. Yeah, it's it's weird. He I maybe
he'll be interested. I'm just nervous he's gonna get draggeds
a goat.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
He's not a true millennial to me because he's just
not anxious enough. I was like, you don't want like
you are not consistently apologizing about everything that has nothing
to do with you. You're not anxious enough, You're not
like what does everyone think about me? I was like,
you're not a true millennial. Sorry, we we grew up
on we made a generation out of this, and so
in turn, I was like, no, this isn't it, This

(29:44):
is not it.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I will say I was happy that Steven did stay though,
because I think there, I think there's more to him,
and I think his story's building up as well, and
I love his energy. I think he could bring a
ton to the merge if he plays it strategically. Because
now what numbers is Stephen going with? That's really what
the question is. Because these two people just saved you.

(30:09):
Are you able to then pick these two people up
and potentially bring them over and work with your now grouping.
It's going to be very interesting what happens with that
because Sage Sage is realizing a little hmm. Maybe I'm
not fully in with everyone from my OG, but I
think Juwan's going straight back. Juwan's going, oh they love me,
We're going straight back to them. I think Juan actually

(30:32):
could mess this entire thing up for Sage.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think he could mess up this entires he's in
for all of us. Stephen is great because he is
if a Golden Retriever was a person. He just follows
directions real well. He smiles, he makes you happy, doesn't
rock the boat too much, seems to have a pretty
good read on things and people who go to him

(30:57):
with information. He's loyal, his hair is nice, and so
in turn, Golden Retriever, Sure have it.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
We love a good Golden Retriever.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's that's your family dog. That is exactly what you
want with the kids, with the adults, with the cousins,
the extended family.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Everyone loves a golden I.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Dare you to talk shit on a Golden Retriever. Can't
do it.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's exactly you can't. Other dogs, yes, other breeds.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Oh wait, I've ever had.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, Now that's interesting because that is pulled. I wrote
down what the original tribe numbers were, and it's I mean,
it's five for five four two, but like realistically it's Rizzo, Rizzo,
Savannah on Nate, and then you've got MC and Steven.
I have no idea where Christina and Sophie are gonna fall,
but they seem to be kind of with each other
after the whole throw each other's names out, and then

(31:49):
Alex and Sophie, and no idea what Alex is gonna do,
But Sophie seems to be pretty close with Rizzio and
Savannah at this point. So, I mean, there's a world
were Sage and Juwan could be swings.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
There's a world where.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
If they go back to original travel lines, otherwise this
could just get real messy, real quick.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I mean, what's weird about this season is that we
don't have a Joe Hunter or a David, or even
a Coach or even an Ozzie, Like are our most
athletic men. It's probably Alex and Stephen. Yeah, yeah, that's

(32:32):
what we had.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
One it was then a snake took him out right.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Well, yes, like as a whole. I think that even
just in looking at the game like that, I'm not
here to like stereotype and be judgmental or whatever else.
But the idea that in this cast we don't have
that archetype, that this cast must know that they're playing
a different game than a lot of other years have,
where like when it comes down to individual immunities and stuff,

(32:58):
almost everyone has shot here depending on what it is,
And so there are no big meat heads to take
out now.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
And and I wouldn't call her a meathead, but I
think MC is barn on the strongest person on the
Castle girl, even adjusting for genders, that is literally just
straight up she is. She made Nate look yeah during bad.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Well, come on, it's MC's crushing. I love watching MC
in any challenge.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
She will definitely one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
If the Challenge does not call her for the future,
they are in the wrong. That would be my number
one draft pick to move over to MTVS the Challenge,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
So that's how messy she wants to get because I love.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Does she no, no, But I think that she is
the strongest ultimate we've ever had on the show. I
was on from the jump like she should have been
there from the beginning. I'm just afraid that she's gonna
get these Hidney yeah of the whole like muscular black

(34:10):
woman that they take as far as they can. Then
one day she doesn't do anything and they just go,
it's your tone now because you're strong and you're like, okay,
I guess. But like, I'd really love to see like
some actual reasoning here. I feel like, and this is
just kind of like my eyes on it. I feel
like not a lot of players are going out of

(34:31):
their way to meet her. They know her, but are
they really going out of their way to meet her?
And I'm going to tell you why. There haven't been
a lot of conversations in which she got to share
who she is or what she does or kind of
what she's about And I don't know if it's the
edit or if other people aren't asking, but I just
know again in like looking how I look, people assume

(34:53):
that like this is it, but when you actually like
speak to me, you're like, oh, he got two master's
degrees by twenty two. He he was a middle school
educated for twelve. Like, there's so much there, and I
just feel like no one's asking her about it, and
so it's weird that it's like even as an audience,
we don't know that much about her other than she's
a shining light on screen and she has leadership qualities

(35:15):
and she's very strong. But again we're just using our eyes.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I mean, I think she falls into that same She's
gotten more screen time than Christina and Sophie, but they're
the three who haven't gone to tribal and like, realistically,
I think MC's been looped into more things because she's
just been involved, Like she won the journey, she found
if you Wear Advantage really interested to see what they're
gonna do about that, because there's no opportunity for her

(35:40):
to lose a challenge and go get her her vote back.
So I don't know unless she's like forced to lose
the first community challenge to get her vote back, which
is weird.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I don't know, we'll see that.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
That's gonna be an interesting dynamic because we haven't seen
it before, so I hope hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I almost would be okay.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
If they did it that way where she had to
decide do I compete for this immunity or not. But
let's be clear, you need your vote when it comes
to the merging. There are so many close votes that
you run into and if you don't have that, you
could be really screwing yourself over.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
I'd almost rather than just give her her vote back
and say you've lost the opportunity to get the idol,
because and I think that's what they were gonna do
with Bruce on forty six when he was him and
Jake were like digging through the camp the literally the shelter,
trying to find his idol right before the boat picked
him up. Like I think it was the same situation
where like, hey, if you've lost the opportunity to get

(36:36):
your idol because you're going to a different camp, there's
absolutely nothing you can do about it. Your vote is back,
but you've lost the opportunity to get an Idol.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, I think I would. I would love to see
them say you would have to lose this individual immunity
in order to get your vote back, because it would
just prove to me that they're trying to stay present
in the game. I feel like so much of the
game feels I understand that this reality show has been

(37:05):
around more than longer than any of the other ones,
but at this point, other than Rizzo has been alive
mind you yes, but and so it feels like almost
too well oiled of a machine, where like I love
when they have to be like, uh oh, this did
not work as planned, because they'd be like, oh, we
always had that plan, we hired the secret Like there
are so many weird things. I'm like, you, you guys

(37:26):
did not control that. Stop pretending like you did. And
so I would love if they were like, okay, new plan,
and I'm like all right, cool, great, So like we
are staying present based on the game that we're playing,
not the game that we planned for.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, I lied is like six months older than Survivor.
But one thought experiment that brings them MC back in
this because I'm really curious and it comes into that,
so we can assume that probably every four person tribe
had some kind of hidden advantage like Blue or like
Sophie Rizzo MCS did. But let's go back to that

(38:02):
Rizzo has an idol. Yep, Sophie has now knowledge without power.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, let's say they lose that.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Challenge somehow, someone else can throw frisbees better than Rizzo.
Rizzo assuming MC can get her idol in secret, because
I'm assuming she would not be able to, but assuming
she could, that means even if Sophie Rizzo and uh
Savannah decide to put all her votes on MC, She's

(38:29):
not gonna feel comfortable. She's gonna stand up and play
the idol she just tried to get. And because Sophie
won't be able to take MC's idol because she doesn't
know it exists, she's gonna go, oh shit, pull the
piece of paper out, go Rizzo, give me your idol,
play it for her, and then it's gonna be one
of the two fifty years who were going home.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I mean, I I don't hate that, I'd be interested
in it. I like, at this point I'll take anything
to be interesting. Like I'm no longer rooting for players
now I'm rooting for this he'son as a whole that.
I'm like, you, guys, how do we dig ourselves out
of this? How do we get to a good season? Right? Like?
You know it's bad when like you're not rooting for

(39:12):
people anymore, You're like, I'm on team TBS. How can
we help? How can we help? Right now? They just
get this where it needs to go?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeahful, didn't Jeff say that this is going to be
an interesting great merge because.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Listen, the forty eight was his favorite season all time?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh oh okay, so let me comment on that real quick.
You can say I believe that you enjoyed the storyline
that it provided. But if you're sitting here telling me
that that is your all time favorite season, no, I'm
okay with as I said, you saying I enjoyed the
storyline that came up it because everyone enjoyed the storyline

(39:52):
that became of it. That is completely fine. I'm a
huge fan of it as well, But forty eight is
not my favorite season, not even near close to my favorites.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I don't even think the people on forty eight would
claim that forty eight was their favorite season. So that's there,
all right. My question just based on where we started
draft picks. If you had to name one winner, one
MVP that you still have on your list, pick your
top who would it be?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
And why, Jake, do you want to go? You want
me to go?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
You go first.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
So my first pick was EMC, and I was super
excited to get EMC. But I'm not going that direction.
I'm going in the Sophie B direction simply because well,
but you're talking about how I think could go progressively better, right, Okay,
So I'm going so for one of two reasons, because
I believe the swap worked out excellent for her, because
she has gotten in with the Savannah and Rizzo of

(40:50):
it all, who are two players that have been very
strong thus far in terms of controlling their OG tribe.
So that's a perfect way to slot in there. I
also feel as though Savannah is now maybe leaning towards
potentially Sophie could then go over to be her number one,
And so Sophie has a storyline. I believe she gets

(41:13):
to the end of this game. I started on this
particular tribe, I was able to survive this. Y'all had
the opportunity where you could have easily eliminated me from
the game.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Chose not to.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I was able to integrate myself in with people that
were running it, and now I have a strong core alliance.
She has so many things that she could say at
the end of this game from where she started to
where she finished. Now do is she still have to do.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Things in between? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
But she has the good base where she can say
something right now. MC, for example, doesn't necessarily have that
hasn't had to go to a tribal council shoe. She
doesn't even have a start. I think the game starts
truly when you have that first vote at tribal council,
because then you know where people stand, you know where
people are aligned.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And so I'm going with Sophie b as my pick
for that.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
That is smart. We had to have a final tribal tomorrow,
Sophie might be one of the only ones that actually
would have a speech right now. Again, it wouldn't be great,
but you would at least be one of the only
ones that had any leg to stand on as to
why she should win this game if we stopped the
game right now. Sure, yes, agreed, final travel tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
I mean, I'm between, I don't even know like I think,
like I have Rizzo obviously, and like kid's a character.
And I also loved hearing his whole like the realization
last night He's like I'm gonna go have my Aussie moment.
I'm like, brother, you're about to go play with Ozzie
in about like three weeks.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Uh, which is.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Cool, But I have a hard time imagining him being
taken seriously at final travel. Yes, and like even like
even from the whole idea of like, hey, I did this,
I have this like let's go lock in talk kind
of thing, like I haven't seen the non goofball side
of him, and I again recognize that production has definitely

(43:05):
made him say I am the riz g O d
H through a snorkel.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
But Philip does not enjoy I could tell the.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Not a fan.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I just I just in living in Austin. It's like
a big influencer city where like you know, y'all you
follow me on social media. I love a good photo,
I love a good video, I love all the things.
But the moment you set up a tripod in a
public place, I'm like, I'm out where no, Like like
that's the line for me. And he's giving cartoon character

(43:39):
instead of just like an eccentric person with energy, if
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah, I still unfortunately think he has the most win
capital on my team, so I have to choose him
because I'm curious. Alex is interesting, but I don't know
what side of that war he's gonna fall on, because
he kind of faded into the blackness after like the
last three rounds of not having to go to Tribal
where he was the main character on Blue beforehand, and

(44:04):
then Steven Christina I know nothing about, and Steven is
I mean again great, I'm happy he stayed. I still
don't think he had unless this merge turns into a
blender and everyone comes out looking differently, like it's gonna
be completely there's people that are overshadowing him almost every step.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Can we talk about luck real quick, because in my
personal opinion, Savannah and Rizzou have had very good luck
so far in this game, with them being able to
stay together the entire time with each other, and so
that's why, Yes, I always say the game for sure
has skill, but when you hear people that make the
end of the game sometimes say I didn't get here

(44:47):
with any luck, is ridiculous. For this exact point right here,
with those two having that, because if you're going all
the way into the merge with someone that you have
been with from day one, huge advantage.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Huge, yes.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
And it's funny too because you can say that for
two other people, two other pairs. Right, So you have
the Riziman Savannah work together, trust each other. You have
Sophie and Christina who apparently don't trust each other right
now they were to get balloons. We're gonna let that be.
And then you have Shannon and Sage. So yeah, being

(45:26):
together is a good thing, but also not always a
good thing.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
For sure, it's worth That's why I'm saying it's lucky
for them because it's all working out in their favor
for sure, and.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Like they've gotten, they've been on the strong. I guess
they lost the two two tribe challenges, but they weren't.
But they were also on a swap. They were in
a swap situation where they were never gonna get voted out, right.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I wish we would have gotten a better swap when
it came to that, and I think I was like, yes,
two tribes, we're going to see it, and then it
just didn't land with the numbers in the way that
they did it. That's the only problem I had, And
I think that's why I wasn't enjoying the episode as
much because it was so predictable. But had we had
a mixed bag of everyone, oh who would have been

(46:09):
so good?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Three three ones across both tribes or a three two
two would have been awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
And yeah, I think that's the hard part about the
whole like drop your buffs, let's do it randomly. The
story producers must be shitting themselves because they're like, like,
there's so much of it that they can control and manipulate,
but things like that, they're like, this is out of
our hands. We just need to hope that it goes
in an interesting way. But let's just say they drop

(46:38):
their pupson do like a full switch, and let's just
say like accidentally all the tribes end up exactly the same.
Then what do you do? You go, oh, forget it,
Like it's weird things like that that like you can't
really control per se. And so yeah, I think a
lot of it does come down to the luck. Even
on my show, like we had challenges that we had

(46:58):
to do individually, and if I went person number one
or two, I didn't get to see anyone go before me,
and we would just randomly draw it out of my hat.
But like, still, a lot of that came down to
the luck the endurance challenges. A lot of people don't
know this, but we had an endurance challenge on my show.
People do know that because they watch. But the reason

(47:20):
we draw for spots for that is because as the
endurance challenge goes on, the sun the sky, everything moves around,
and so in turn, you might be in a spot
that is significantly hotter than the spot next to you,
or costs for me, or whatever else. But you never
want to say the producers were manipulating it so that
I was in a specific like spot. So you always

(47:42):
draw for spots on an endurance even though it has
nothing to do with the actual challenge itself. You're holding
something up in the air, so you're like, so, why
would it really matter who's where because they don't want
to be able to say the water was extra high
where I was standing and it wasn't over there, so
they try to make everything like very But a lot
of it really does come down to the luck of
the draw. I love how you just talked.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
All about the Dondee challenges and luck and completely ignored
the fact that at the end of the day, every
episode ends with someone playing dealer no deal, which is nothing.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I'm trying to make it a survivor relatable. No, I
get it, No, I totally get it. It is not
as funny.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I'm like sitting there like, hmmm, so higher or lower
than a million dollars this day?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
No, Well, they're just going to stick to drawing for spots.
That's it. You're just going to stick there, just the spots.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
You know what I wish they would have done for
the two tribe swap. Why not make Sophie Bee and
Alex captains.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yes, take the tribes.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
That would have been fabulous because they don't know any
of these people, so they're taking a risk for who
they're getting and that would have shook up the tribes completely.
It would have been a jumbled mess from there, because
if I put myself in their shoes, I'm probably.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Doing a mixture of boats.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I don't want a huge majority from one group or
a huge majority for the others, and then that gives
myself options on who I could work with. That would
have been so much better for the swap.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
You know who does that really well. Drag Race, they
normally take, let's say, if they're gonna do something like that,
they take whoever won the last challenge and lost the
last one, and they make them pick their groups for
the next one. And what that does is if the
group succeeds, a new leader emerges. If the group pales,

(49:30):
you get a new target out of nowhere. And so
it does really help as far as just like story
producing go the idea of like our all eyes on
you because we're praising you or because we're blaming you.
So I like things like that because it does kind
of make whoever chose the squads feel a little bit
more responsible. And so in going the way that you
said and having two people that really have no emotional

(49:52):
investment in everyone, that to me is really interesting.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
It's like a captaincy. It's just full on captain season.
I did that, like we kind of watched like the
final six of a Survivor season at the beginning of
the season, and then we watched a brand new game
with captains because we really didn't know anything about anybody.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Speaking of captains, my list, my MVP who I'm still
going with it game because she is just as rude
and just as obnoxious as I am, but she has
a much better poker face. She just holds it for
the confessionals only, and no one else knows that she
is as annoyed as she is all day, every day.

(50:35):
And that's the way to play it. I always think
it's so weird when people stay even keeled and happy
the whole time, and they're like, it's just the game,
it's whatever else, And she's like the audacity to use
my bad but like she but like the thing is,
Juan doesn't know that she's as as mad at him
as she is, and she's done a really good job
in restraining that and holding it but still giving us

(50:56):
a good show via confessionals, and so like, I love that.
I think that's the way you have to play the game.
I mean, stage two, I'm just gonna shake your hand.
It's to give you a hug. What are your views
on that? Because I was obsessed with it, She's like,
I don't want to do it till it's real or genuine,
and I was like, let's go okay.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
And the fact Shannon wasn't really taken aback by it either.
Shannon was like okay, Like with still the same personality
that she was trying to go in for the hug.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It was really the first person to not like Shannon.
Shannon's like, okay, so this is everyone in my high
school graduation, Like it's okay, okay. It was weird.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I've always wondered too. It's like, it's just like they
use the word blind side every week. That was the
only time this was a true blind side like Shannon,
like at least this season, like Shannon truly had no
idea it was her and that smile wiped off her
face real quick after vote number two was read and
it went like oh shit, And credit to her for

(51:58):
not being completely shell shown and being able to actually
be a good game. I'd be like, fuck all y'all
and just walk out the way and just like, okay,
out there she is.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Do you believe that was genuine, because I don't I
think that that when she has built up this persona
as a yogi and someone who's so spiritually and touch
she said, you know what, I'm just so grateful for
the experience. I'm the love that everyone could. Should we
say a prayer one more time? Should be like now allah?
And I'm like I'm not doing this with you. I

(52:31):
need you to go home, baby.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Like, if she can do that, she can go from
Like if that was like the idea she has this
whole character built up in her head. She just got
voted out of Survivor, lost a chance in a million
dollars and can her first thought is need to say
in character, holy shit, that's terrifying.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I want to see some real Okay. My issue with
her was and is a law of vulnerability and authenticity.
I feel like she did a really good job of
like putting on a show and as a group fitness instructor,
I know when to turn it on. But if you
speak to me one on one, I'd be like, yo, listen,

(53:13):
it was not always this easy. I grew up overweight,
and so the reason I try and help other people
is because I didn't know where to turn or whatever.
We didn't We never got anything from her to the
point where like we don't know anything about her except
for how she serves other people, and that can't be real.
It just like that's not human nature per se. Although

(53:33):
she does serve others and help others, what about her?
And so like it's so weird that she's leaving, and
do we know anything other than what she does for
work and how she kind of just manipulates her story
slightly in order to support others.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
And here's my other issue. I have to the constant hugging.
Y'all smell bad, so bad, right right?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I just I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
And if I am a hugger person, even if I was,
I smell bad.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
They smell bad. I don't want to smell them like that.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yes, if we win a challenge, hoorah, we're jumping up
and down, you're excited, that is different. But the amount
that it was and then just the holding of the
hands down the beach, I'm still shocked Channing even let
that even happen that I it was just weird.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It was too much for me.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I think it's one of those levels of like you're
playing a game, and if you think that not letting
Shannon hold your hand will like jeopardize your plan or
make her get skithed out, you just gotta smile and wave.
It's the same reason why there were seven people sitting
on the beach with a yogi doing meditation and reality

(54:48):
I think half of them were sitting there going Holy shit,
let this be over and like you just gotta like
just gotta bear it through the pain.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
That is a major regret. It was like day four
doctor Will's first day on the island, and poverty was
like and we were all sitting around and Doctor Will,
who Povety can't stand, was like, do you want to
teach us some yoga or something? And she was like, no,
not really, I think you should teach us also some yoga,
and everyone did yoga. And I looked at that and

(55:19):
I went absolutely not and walked away and I was like,
you know what, I wasn't even doing a good job,
Like I need to learn to be a better Like
this is for the games, you up and stretch, But
in that moment, I was like I am not going
to down, dog. I'm gonna now stay my ass over here.
I don't want it. And in looking back at it,
down like you're stupid, Go do the yoga. But like

(55:41):
at that time, I just couldn't make myself do it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Tell me I can't remember the name because it's just
slipping my mind right now, but it gives me the
vibes of when Coach would be doing the praying and
you had the one person go, oh my goodness, why
are we doing this? I can't even fake it. There
was somebody that did that.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Who was it?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
It was Sophie.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, okay, it was Sophie. I didn't want to Yes,
it was Sophie.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Because wow, that.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Tires season made me so uncomfortable that, like, and I've
and like, I'm rarely uncomfortable watching Survivor, but that entire
season because if you weren't let's say, overly religious, you
were alienated on that tribe and so you almost had
to be in order to survive. Then I'm like, like,

(56:28):
it just felt icky and gross. And before every challenge,
the circle up and pray and I don't mean just
like pray we're all safe whatever it's gonna Jesus Christ
of Nazareth. Oh my god. I was like, this is
this is a lot. This is really heavy handed, And
I just I'm glad we never had a season like
that again, because again, as someone who like grew up

(56:50):
like Christian and believing in it, like that was heavy handed,
really really heavy handed.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
It was a lot.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And also that flashes me back to a tribe where
Coach wanted to go told everyone to stand up to
hug the person.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
The person like, I don't want your hug.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I would be doing the same thing you voted.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
You just voted me out. I don't want your hug.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Why are you standing up? If I get voted out
and I want to give someone a hug goodbye, I'm
doing it myself. I'm initiating it. But the fact that
he was trying to initiate it was insane?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Edna?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
When ed Naga voted out, it was curious. Now give me, yes,
give me who was on that tribe, because I'll know
the name for who it was.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
But I just.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
I mean, there's a lot of people and so but
I try to not think about the season. I'll find
it and tell you. I'll text you.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yes on the chest. Totally fine.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But yes, that was insane when that happened, because the
audacity that you have where you just voted somebody out
and I like Coach. Don't get me wrong, but that
scene was cringe and we're getting them back.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
That is my least favorite Coach season, I think him.
Oh yeah, as together. I was like, I hate all
of it, hated it all, and I just recently watched
it in the past six months, so like I had.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Just watched past six months ago. Within the last six months.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I caught up on everything after my show because I
was like, I don't know any of these people or
any of these things, so like I'm pretty new to
like all the survivor the lore, if you will. So
I went all the way back and like caught myself
up and like that season was uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
I mean it was weird live like and that was
so so pacific aired. That's what twenty three is that aired.
I think I was a freshman in high school. I
was so confused, Like I grew up in New England,
and Lauren, you could speak to this little bit like
New England's not a super overtly religious place, like people

(58:58):
are religious, but it's not like in your face move
the Idaho Learned. It's very much that there, but it's
like when you don't see it every day to then
just have it be like on your favorite TV show,
you're like, holy crap, holy crap, Like what is this? So,
I mean, yeah, it's a lot to take in.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
How do we think Coach is going to do on fifty?
I'm very curious because I am excited to see him
come back.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
They're smart. He's going home early because he's just.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
How many people in this season like, if they're smart?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Fuck if they're smart.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Coach goes home early, if they're smart, Joe goes home early,
Kyle goes home early, Camilla goes early. Get rid of
every freaking TREEO, get rid of Mike White, get rid
of like, get rid of and keep Angelina. I need
her for my teav Yes, but like it's such an
interesting I I don't you get rid of SyRI as

(01:00:01):
much as I want Suria on my TV and I
want her, I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Like, literally don't. I don't know if I what I am.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
If I get on that show and I look around
and I go Titans everywhere and I am this big
What do you do? Every new era is gonna look
walk onto that beach, look around at everyone pre forty
and go holy shit, Like none of us have a
chance to win unless they're all gone. Because of Jenna Lewis,

(01:00:29):
even though she's not a Titan, but she played season one,
makes it to the end. From a sheer storytelling standpoint,
she's getting votes. Agreed, like that that's true, You're not
like unless Jenna Lewis literally sleeps through the game and
gets dragged by like Jonathan Young and Joe Hunter. Jenna

(01:00:51):
Lewis is gonna get a vote like it is one
of those just Colby gets votes. Coley sits Dan, Colby
wins solely from the storyline, same idea, where like if
Sandra ever sits at the end again, she wins just
for being Santra, Like Si.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Gets every single vote if Suri makes it to the
end of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
And so that's what I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Sure we'll send my vote to Fiji.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Right, people are smart And I hate saying this because
everyone loves Suri and everyone roots for Sri. Sirrie on paper,
should one hundred percent be everyone's first boot, no doubt
about it. That's where everyone should go because everyone wants
to work with Siri. But Siri then gets her pick

(01:01:29):
of the litters say, and so if Seren doesn't want
to work with you, you are screwed.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
She gets the I mean we saw it on She
just gets to do what she wants to do. Everyone
has that level of agency. I'd be terrified of Chrissy,
like I think Chrissy is gonna I'm Chrissy's either goes
out earlier goes along, and I don't think there's a
middle ground.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Four. I'm stoked to see her back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
She's one of the people I've wanted to watch play
again for the longest time, and I still think she
should have won Heros, Hustles, Heelers. But this whole thing
is gonna be like I was excited for Winners, or
this is dare I say, weirdly more epic, just with
a more controversial cast. I'm excited for twenty four people.

(01:02:14):
I think it's gonna be really interesting as.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Someone who just watched Winners at War don't come for
me in the comments. I didn't hate it. I know
that everyone hated it like while it was happening, But
I think we can all admit that there are certain
seasons that if you watch every episode in a row,
they're not bad for storyline and arc I don't think
I would have enjoyed it if I was waiting week

(01:02:38):
by week because there wasn't enough happening.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Consists also remind you that when all of us watch War,
it was COVID, right, and so now it's people. It's
like death destruction survivor, death disease survivor, like it was
just this weird middle ground of like you get excited
and then Ethan goes home and you get excited, and
then Sandra and Poverty go out in the same episode.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It's like, what the hell is this? Yes, I sat
down for seventy two hours and knocked out the entire
season in a row, and then it's not that well.
I will admit it probably would have been bad if
I watched it week by week, because it just would
have been me getting let down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
I think it's just one of those things that you
got everyone got excited for all these new school players
and then they just all effectively went home really quickly,
and it got or not new school for the old
school players, and everyone went home really quickly, and like it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Was still epic.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
No one can deny that they did a great job
hyping up and bringing eight twenty people that have won
the game to play a game that I mean, I
think everyone looked at like, oh, is winners up all
winners even possible? Hell? I think right now with Ashley's
winning big brother, they're finally looking at is this even possible?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Over there?

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
And they're never gonna get it unless they do a
shortened game, because no one can make the ninety day
games work anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
But like it's epic.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
This is going to be a very like this is
gonna be a different level of epic. And I think
it's mostly just because the bodies aren't even gonna be
cold and the game's gonna be over.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Okay, let's bring it around, yep,
wrap it up. Because I am a positive person, regardless
of anything that comes out of my mouth as a
positive person. Right now, we're at like a brief intermission
before we go into the merge. I need you to
dig deep, deep, scrape, and tell me one positive thing

(01:04:32):
that you are enjoying about this season. We're each gonna
do one, and we're gonna leave it on a positive note.
For forty nine, who.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Wants to start, I'll go first, right, You know what
I am enjoying. I am enjoying the characters of some
of these people. Granted we've talked about we haven't seen everyone,
but there are some interesting folks on this cast, and
I'm enjoying that. I don't have an issue with this
cast at all for this season. It's just the gameplay
felt has felt slow thus far until we got to

(01:05:03):
this episode and so this is going to be the
turnaround my favorite episode of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I think we, as I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Said, so more character development in some of these people,
So I'm not mad about it. And that was an
iconic vote that we just had, and I think it's
going to flip the script of the game. So I
have high hopes for the back half of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Sweet I got two.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
One is I think this might be in a long time,
the most normal cast. Everyone just seems like people. No
one is a like. Even Nate, who is a film
producer for one of the largest franchises in the ever,
seems like a guy. It seems like a dad hang out,
Like I'd get a beer with him, wouldn't feel weird
about it kind of thing. Everyone seems awesome fun to me,

(01:05:47):
absolutely down for that. Also, Survivor is doing things differently again,
and I think that is something to celebrate. Like, while yes,
we started with three, went to two for the first
time in the new era, went back to three, was the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Last time we did that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
I actually don't know if we have, but like that,
I'm excited to see how they build on that, because
I mean, if they're gonna go off these eras the
forties are about to be over, fifty's about to start,
and I'm excited to see what they do for the merge.
What are they going to do differently? What what what
are they gonna what kind of challenges are gonna be there?

(01:06:23):
What twists are they gonna throw at everybody? Because we
still have that double tribal that we typically expect. But
what are they gonna do now? Definitely excited to see
the new stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I think for me, I am really impressed with how
they have made the cast reflect different changes in contemporary
American society. But I think also that comes with like
me being the age that I am. So like when
so I had originally started, I watched like season one
and like m middle school or early high school and

(01:06:57):
stuff like that, and then so for me, the old
people always helt old. But like, I think this is
one of the first seasons where like I'm identifying with
the older half of the cast more than the younger half,
like people like rizs God anyway, No, but it's one

(01:07:18):
of those where, like you know, when you get to
that age where you're like, I can't hang out with
twenty one year olds when like you think you're still
twenty one. Then you go out to like a bar
or restaurant and you see like sorority girls out are
twenty one, and you're like, oh, I'm definitely not twenty
one anymore. Okay, cool, great, And I think that it
really does come with the evolution of the viewer. I
do think that they are really trying to evolve with

(01:07:40):
the viewer as far as casting is concerned. We don't
have these superhero Titan characters anymore. And yeah, we are
really dealing with normal people. So I do love the
fact that these people do seem approachable. They make me
feel empathy and compassion. I think sometimes yes doesn' get

(01:08:00):
a little heavy handed totally, but as a whole, these
are all people that I would meet in the real world,
that I would hang out with. And I think that
that is really a reflection of the show trying to
stay current instead of becoming a caricature of itself. Yeah.
I couldn't agree more. See, we all did it. We

(01:08:20):
said one good thing, look at us America and read it,
look at us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
We're not really dogging this season at all. Normally, when
people are dogging the season heavily, it's because the cast
isn't good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
The cast is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
It's just the predictability of it all. And that's why
seasons pick up at the merge, because most of them
are unpredictable unless you have those completely dominant groups that
just ride it all the way to the end. So
that's what I'm hoping for when it comes down to this.
But Philip and Jake, do y'all have any final thoughts
before we wrap this up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
I'm just excited to see what's about to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I mean, I want more showmance, I want more bikinis.
You know me, I'm like always that. I'm like, who
do we like a stafter? Like, who's the one where
you're like, that's the hot guy and that's the hot girl.
I'm like, what Savannah? Or is God? Is that it
right now? They are it right now? I'm like, I guess,

(01:09:24):
but I think that as a whole. I'm entertained. Am
I still putting in every week? Yes? Do I get
excited every Wednesday morning? Yes? Do I go to bed
at every Wednesday night last night? That's okay, that's okay,
I will eventually. I'm still showing up for the show

(01:09:46):
and my people and all of you done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
We love it well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
We'll be back again during the season, probably right before
going into the final six or so people doing another
update on the draft and talking everything in between. And
with that, everyone check out what's going on on the
reality after show. There's Survivor content ninety nine to Beat Content,
Squid Game. The Challenge season two is beginning November fourth,
and there will be lots of content when it comes

(01:10:12):
down to that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
And with that, Philip.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Jake once again, always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Thank you. If you're in the Texas area, I will
be doing an appearance at the Bryce and Win Survivor week,
so come out meet me. It's a good time. We
can hang out, we can talk shit, you caet hit
me in the face whatever you want. All years I
got you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Damn I gotta get a ticket to Texas, now do it.
We love it well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Everyone go check out Philip meet them there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Bye all by bye.