Survivor 49 Episode 8 After Show with Special Guest Teeny Chirichillo - RAS - Reality After Show

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Speaker 1 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
We love you all the same.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Thank you so much for choosing this your night after
Survivor with us here. My name is Gabe Ortiz, joined
as always by producer Extraordinariy Bobby Goods, by Wayne Wayne Memma,
and we have a very special guest tonight, A very
special guest and a very dear friend of mine, the
one and only teeny from forty seven teeny.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
How we feel in the.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Night, I am feeling fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Gave you no I love nothing more than to hear
you talk about Survivor and what a great episode we
have to discuss in front of them.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh, a fantastic episode, and be sure to stick around.
We might have another special guest joining us when you
do not want to miss, so don't go anywhere in
anticipation of who that may be. So getting into tonight's episode,
it was a very interesting starting point, I thought, because
we come in we come off of last week's episode,

(01:49):
which we see the three people who have pretty much
been the main characters of the season so far in Blue,
Sophie Rizzo, and Savannah.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Riscot handedly on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, like as on the bottom as you could
possibly be.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Everybody at the first merge vote all voted for Nate
except for those three, and those have been the three
people we have far and away gotten the most screen
time and narration from. So the entire opening of the
episode was kind of just this like damage awkward damage
control of like everybody needs to kind of check in

(02:25):
with Rizzo, Sophie and Savannah and like teeny as somebody
and I don't mean to, you know, push any buttons
off jump who had been left out of votes before
when we played on forty seven. Can you just give
some insight onto how it feels to come home from
a tribal where you were blind sided but you weren't

(02:47):
the one that went home.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
It's a it's like an interesting like combo of feelings,
where for me it definitely was anger and frustration and
like humiliation because I hated being left out of the vote,
and so you want to be resentful of the folks
who like didn't include you, and you want to know
everything that happened. You want to know why you weren't

(03:11):
included on everything that happened. But you also, I think
there's no moment more in the game where you feel
more in danger than being left out of a vote.
The first time it happened to me was Kishan, and
all I remember thinking is just like if I thought
I knew it was going on, and I was that
in the wrong, Like how much else do I not know?

(03:32):
How jeopardized is my position in the game, And so
you feel almost like this lease on life that you're
still there, but this disorientation of being so wrong about
where you were at and a complete panic in trying
to figure out how to put the pieces together again.
And it's interesting to watch people's different approaches to composing

(03:54):
themselves in that reaction and to being able to like
pivot the moment. And I think all three of these
people did a really impeccable job of it. I thought
Rizzo's conversation with Juwan especially was like incredible, He did
not even a second of anger taking place, or he

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really did a really wonderful job of just like being
grateful for still being there and wanting to move forward,
which is I think, especially at this point in the game,
being blindsided which, let's be clear, at this point in
the game, I was still in the know. I think
he did a great job of just like being gracious
and curious and wanting to continue to make those relationships.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
In the conversation that he had with Savannah in that
same opening of the episode, where he's like, we cannot
be bitter, we cannot be upset, Like we need to
put on nice faces and move on and try to
reintegrate ourselves. That vision is like to have that presence
of mind in that moment where it's so easy, just

(04:55):
like you said, to be bitter and to be disoriented
and to be angry and to be confused, to be like,
we can't go at these people even though they just
in this you know, tiny world of Survivor and in
any given game you play, even though they just wronged
us as much as you possibly can without voting us
out of the game, Like we need to go be

(05:15):
their friends right now. And I think that was also
a good general read, but particularly I think it was
a good read on Savannah.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
My assumption is that Savannah really needed to hear that
in the moment and like that that to me is
such a good mark of a great Survivor player, somebody
who can be in a really disorienting situation like being
left out of a major vote, the first merge vote.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And still have the state of mind to say.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Like we need to take a breath, we can be better,
we need to be nice, we need to go I
think a word you used team he was great curious
to just be like it's gonna happen next. I'm still
with me, like it's all good. Like I thought that
was imp couple. But Wayne, when when you see Rizzo
moving through the early parts of this episode, like what

(06:08):
comes to mind for you?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I mean, first of all, like maturity that I did
not has not been edited to be shown from Rizzo
up until this point, Like that is not how old
is he?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like twenty five?

Speaker 5 (06:23):
I think, yeah, twenty five, twenty six, Like to have
that maturity to like be like you're on this like braggadocious,
like full of bravado, maybe false bravados sometimes like I'm
gonna go out and do whatever. But to be like no, no, no,
chill dog, like to be able to do that is
very difficult at a young age, and it's like, oh man,
he this might be part of that winner at it,

(06:44):
you know, like I don't know if he wins, but
it's like, oh, he's he's here. This is part of that.
Like this is the first story where it's like, oh, no,
Rizzo is going to be here probably till the last
episode of this season.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I thought that this was like a big, main character
energy episode for Orizzo and Savannah, and we'll get into
that in a minute.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Here.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
It stop me if I'm missing something, but I feel
like the next big thing that happened in this episode
was an idle hunt, a very brief idole hunt, and Christina,
who's been rather absent from this entire season, finds an
idol and she gets a moment where she finds an idol.
There was literally like two minutes dedicated to this idle hunt,
which is maybe the shortest idle hunt in the history.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
And dismissed it. I almost missed it, that's how short
it was. Like I went up to grab a drink
and talk to my wife and I was like, I
gotta go watch the show. And I got back and
I got to the very end of this time, I
was like, oh man, the whole thing happened all right.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
She's an idol and.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
She's with Steven and with Alex, who are with her
when she finds the idol and it's a straight up idol.
It's just hey, you found it and you get to
keep it, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Bobby, what what implications.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Do you think this has on the game, Like, I mean,
not only her having one, but also the fact that
it's just a straight up idol that she found.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
I think that this will somehow get back to Sof
in one way or another, and I think that's where
we see the Knowledge's power takeover. I think that this
is giving us this information because one person that found
out that information that was part of that three is Alex,
and who is Alex probably the closest with because of

(08:34):
his original tribe Sof, and so I think in some way,
some context, that's gonna get back to SOF, who's probably
the last person who he should tell. But I think
that that information is leading up to what Knowledge's power
is gonna be, because I think Sof will realize she
can't take rizzos. They're gonna need rizzos, especially since she
kind of put her eggs in that basket. Yes, we

(08:55):
saw this episode she tried to play multiple fields, tried
to play multiple cards to keep herself in the game,
which she did a very good job of. But I
think that that's a stepping stone to what we will
see down the line.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's a great shout.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
And I'm gonna be honest, I forgot Sophie had knowledge
is power this whole episode because she wasn't really in
this episode except for the very beginning, and obviously we
get to the form where she's a moot.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Wait, I can say I wish they would like have
on their chirons they do it an Australian Survivor where
it's like, this is the advantages that they are holding
right now, right, Yeah, I wish they did that up there,
you know, or even if it wasn't their names, because
they don't want to keep flashing their names all the time,
like oh, just a little marker that's like this is

(09:39):
what these people have ye to remind us, because I
think it matters, you know, for the for the for
the view strategy of it all.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, and when they were really getting crazy with advantages
and twists and everything early in the era, they did
do that where they would say what people had, and
I think they've kind of reeled back, but I agree
that would still be very helpful, especially for players in
the game that aren't a big part of the episode
but do get shown, like they would have been great
for Sophie, just as a reminder to everybody, Hey, she

(10:09):
has this. It's not going to play a big role
this episode, but just keep in mind she does have this.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
No, that's a great chop, Bobby, I didn't even think
about that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
But the fact that Alex is a piece of her
finding this idol, there is that you know, web that
could be weaved back to Sophie and she could use it. Man,
that would be good, So then go ahead.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I also just want to say about this, I miss
like old traditional idol hunts, but what I don't like
when they're like contrived like this, because I want them
to just I was thinking about this, like why aren't
they just like wandering through the woods, because there's no
reason for one of them through woods because they don't
have flint to make fire half of the episodes, so
like they can't like go collect firewood and there's only

(10:53):
so many times you can walk to the water well
or you know whatever, So like they couldn't put out
idols and that no one's going to find idols alone,
and that's like the most powerful thing, and that's the
most interesting thing for us to see as a viewer
is when this like unknown idol comes in and totally
swings the game and someone that everybody thinks is on
the bottom plays it for the right person or at

(11:15):
the right time, and the whole power dynamic of the
game changes.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
At that point.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know, last episode, everybody knew where both idols were at,
so it's like, you know, there was no element of surprise,
and the way that Rizzo handled it was still really exciting,
I thought, but it is something that's a bit.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Lost, yes, So then we get into the challenge.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
This challenge is one of my favorite challenges ever for
no reason in particular. It's an awesome, awesome, awesome challenge
named Chimney Sweep for people who are not putting the
puzzle pieces together. This is the one that I won
on forty seven to win individual immunity. It was awesome
and I went against teeny in this challenge and I

(11:54):
didn't even think about that during the episode until just
now give the people some insight into how difficult challenge was.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, well more difficult for some than others obviously, as
you what happened. Well, so I had the smallest feet,
but I also have a thing called Roman toes, which
means that my pinky toe and the toe that is
penultimate to my pinky toe, the one that's right next
to it, are smaller art there's a steep drop off,

(12:22):
so like that specific part of my foot that it's
going to be on those footholds is actually like really
small in a way that is detrimental to the game. So, yes,
I had small feet, but there was also a disadvantage
there in my specific anatomy.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
But in general, it's.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Just like, yeah, it's it's extremely painful, and honestly, for me,
the toughest part of like any one of these endurance
competitions is really just the mental part of it.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
You're really hot.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
For us, it was at the end of a really grueling,
long and intense challenge that we did, and so for
me it was like getting out of my own head
was the biggest obstacle, and like fighting off the feeling
of the pain on your feet. But yeah, it was
really hard, and I definitely made a lot of I
remember being next to Gabe and you always talk about

(13:11):
how just like I was moaning and growning in agony
the entire time.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, so when we got to that phase of the
challenge in forty seven, and for people don't remember, it
was me, Teeny, Saw and Kyle who were competing in
this portion of the challenge, the final portion of the challenge,
and I was like.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Saul has zero chance.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
He weighs a ton and he has straight hobbit feet,
Like if you've ever met Saul then you know Sauw
has a massive, massive feet.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And I was like, Saul does not stand a chance.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Kyle also has huge feet, but unlike Saul's, they're like
long and skinny. So I was like, you know, there's
he could be competitive in this, but I'm not worried
about him.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Teeny was the one I was the most worried about.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I was like, Teeny has the smallest feet I hear
of anybody that's gonna be the person to beat. And
we get down to like the second foothold, that's not Sue,
third foothold.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Third, Oh okay, okay, okay, if you're talking about like
me showing signs of weakness.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, So so we we get past the first phase,
and I like, and in my head, I'm still thinking like,
just beat teeny, just beat teeny. And then I hear Teeny,
who I think was in the like the post next
to me, start going just like ahh, and I was like,
this isn't even that hard yet, like whoa, Like am
I gonna win this thing?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Like?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And that's where I had the belief of like, oh,
I have to go win now, like if Teeny is
already kind of shaking, then like now I gotta go win.
And then Saul drops and Teeny drops right after him,
and then me and Kyle make it all the way
down to the end. And what I did this challenge
was I made Jeff force me to move down to

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the next wrong every time. So when he said time
to go, I wouldn't move and I would wait for
Jeff to be like, Gabe, you have to go now,
because I was like, if anybody falls on that transition,
like I'm gonna let them fall before I start moving.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, And then for the last.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Transition down, Jeff said, he was like, you have to
go when I say go this time. If you don't
move when I say go, you're gonna be eliminated, all right,
three two, one go, And then he looked at me
to make sure I was going. So I tried to
game that one as much as I could, even though
it didn't make a significant difference.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
You guys had me looking at my feet this entire
time when we're talking about I'm like, how would I do?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like not very well, Bobby.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Correct that like the size of your feet actually really
matters at all. I do think it, Like I think
it's like, yeah, it's all pain tolerance and like endurance
and strength like and end willpower and like, Gabe, you
were in a pickle that round.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, I mean you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
It, but what do you mean.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
You the start of that episode is us trying to
for you? I don't know. I just am like, I.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
You're right, yeah, yeah, it's that you saw Genevieve conversation.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I just think awareness of like your position in the
game actually does like drive a deep strengthen people. And
we saw that tonight in Savannah, like Savannah like there
is and you see it, like I just remember you
even see it and like you could just see it
in people like Jawan, like you can actually see him
just like fighting every second to like actually hang on.
And there's just some people who like don't have that
same insecurity about their position in the game, who I

(16:28):
think like the pain tolerance combined with that can make
you drop a little bit easier.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, that's that's a that's a great point actually, just
like that extra kind of hit of adrenaline to just
be like, this is life or death right now, you know,
and we go through this kind of what I think
is contribe split tribe situation where half of the people,
five of the ten people left go to one side,
five of the ten people left go to the other side,

(16:54):
and you're all competing as individuals. But whoever is on
the side that win, that has the individual that wins,
they are safe from tribal Bobby, what do you think,
because it's not the first time you've seen this, It
happened on forty seven, just with a different challenge, But
what do you make of this game format?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Do you like it? Do you hate it?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Are you indifferent for this challenge just for the format
of having ten people putting sorry five the last person
standing ins immunity.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I don't normally like it.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
I like it for what it gave us for the
drama for this episode, because this could have been a
YadA YadA episode had this not played out. So I
try to be optimistic whenever it comes for each season.
I don't like it naturally as a normal twist, right,
And it's a or format. I guess you would say,
because I don't think we're this far into the game.

(17:45):
We just got to the merge. Why do we need
to be splitting people up again after we just had
one week of a full merge. Like, it doesn't mean
it doesn't make sense to do it this far in
and then to have half the tribe safe and half
the tribe not safe. It really doesn't add to the
dynamics of where people are. Like, And I've always said this,
and I've said this every single season. I said, your guys,

(18:07):
this season, whoever is on that losing group, if you
have an idol one thousand percent, always play that idol.
I think this might be the first time that we've
seen it work out for the person that they don't
use it in this scenario. And I'll just be honest
with you, I'm shocked that he didn't use.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Teeny didn't Sue have one and she got away with it.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh yeah, well Sue did have an idol.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yes, that's a relevant point, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, so we we see the division happen.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
The losing side of the challenge is Yellow Sophie, MC, Rizzo,
Stage and Juwan. Very very bad scenario for Rizzo. He
is the sole person alone on a voting block of
people that all blindsided last week when Nate went home.
Very very bad for Rizzo. But he has the idol
in his pocket, and you have to assume he's going

(19:07):
to play the idol and be safe, and whoever he
throws a vote on is probably gonna get voted out.
But then Sophie, Yellow Sophie presents an interesting idea to MC,
and she says, hey, I'm going to throw a vote
on Juan just in case Rizzo does play his idol,
and you can't tell Juwan that, but I'm gonna do that,

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so that if Rizzo plays his idol, whoever he decides
to throw a vote on isn't the person that automatically
goes home. And if it's you, MC, then potentially you
can be safe.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
MC takes this information and she goes to Juwan and
she says I know that you're upset that I played
my idol last week because you thought I couldn't trust
you that you were going to vote out Nate like
you said you were, Well, how about this, Sophie's throwing
a hinky vote on you just in case Rizzo plays
his idol.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
What do you make of this move? Tiny?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Is this a good mo for MC to build trust
with Juwan? Is it fine in a vacuum or is
it just bad all across the board.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I just think it's bad because it didn't seem like
it was really fully thought out. Even as she was
talking to Juan about it, it felt like she didn't
even really understand the implications that it would have, because
she even said she was like, yeah, like and then
you know the votes might end up on you, and
I don't want you to go home, but I also
don't want Sophie to go home. And it's like, you

(20:29):
also shouldn't even be saying that part, Like, if you're
going to come to him with this information, you should
probably have a much more clear idea in your head
of like why you want to do it. But honestly, Gabe,
I'm really curious to hear what you think about it,
because the whole time I was watching it, I was like,
I just want to hear other people's takes on this
because it it also is like why why did Sophie

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feel the need to have to tell him?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
See that? At the same time, like sometimes it's like.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Ideas that will work, Like that was a good idea
on it, like would have played out, like can just
work if you do them the same way that like
having an idol you don't need to tell people about.
Like sometimes information is the same thing, Like you can
just hear it, receive it, or think of it on
your own and best keep it to yourself or at
least have the patience to like think through what you
actually want to do with it.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
And I feel like there was just a deep impatience.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
In the game here, or like just a black and
white thinking of like, oh, I broke your trust here,
so I want to provide you with this new information
without actually reading through what that would reveal about her
as a player and how that might get back to
another person, especially on a try that's as small as
five people.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Five, right, That's yeah, that's my biggest problem with this
whole thing is that there's no room for secrets. There's
no room for deception. There's no room for game of
telephone where well I heard this from them, who heard
it from them? It's no, it's five people. It's five
people to walk off and one comes back and says, hey,
this guy just told me this or what you know.

(21:59):
It's like, that's like there's no room for air on that,
and it's harder to lie. And that's like the most
fun part about this game is the lying and the deception.
There's less room for it with this, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that the best play would
have been exactly what you said, teeny, which is just
do it.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Don't tell anybody about it. Just just throw.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
The vote on Juan and a nobody knows if it's
you who did it, so you can play around with
hiding the fact that it was you who wrote his
name down and also be you don't leave any room
for it to get out there. Now, I would say
from Sophie's perspective, at least everything that we've been shown,
she probably had no reason to believe.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
That EMC would do that.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like episode one, we saw MC go to Sophie and say, hey,
the majority on Hina wants to vote you out and
they want to bring me in as the fourth but
I don't want to do that, so I'm coming to
you with this information. So we've seen from the very
early days of this game that those two have had
a connection. So Sophie was probably like, if there's anybody
out on this beach that I had to be stuck with,

(23:04):
MC is like the best person for that to happen to.
But what I think we've seen an overarching theme of
Sophie's personality in this game is that in patience, like
just down to the way she speaks, like she's always
like very eager to speak up.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
She's always very eager to say something.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And I think that we saw her be very eager
with this move of like I have this idea, I
just gotta get it out. Someone's got to hear that
I'm thinking about this, you know. And I think that
that is like a pitfall for a lot of Survivor players.
And there are some things to your point again, TEENI,
that are better left just unset and held in your mind.

(23:46):
And it's tough when you're out there because when you're
playing the game, it's like you want people to know
you're playing the game. That's one of the best parts
about it is when you go up to somebody and
they have that like, oh my god, oh we really
gonna do this, like that reaction and is fun, you know,
and so I can get it on a human level.
What I also think is strange was MC going to

(24:07):
Juan and saying, like, this is happening, and I think
that you need to focus more than anything on getting
out alive, like getting out of a weird tribal situation
like this, Getting out alive should be the priority.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
And if you're in a place where you.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Have a plan that's in place to go get out,
rizzio a the primary plan and somebody came to you
with a secret backup plan, Like all of those things
benefit you. All of those things benefit you, and the
page that everybody is on is benefiting you. And once
you decide to share that information with somebody who's a target,

(24:51):
all of a sudden, those plans don't benefit you anymore
and you can't predict where they're gonna go. So when
I saw her walk up to Juwan and share that information,
my first thought was like, you're taking the power out
of your hands, Like you're giving the power and the
information of what's happening tonight to somebody else who is
a potential target that isn't you. And like that is

(25:13):
where I took a lot of issue with it. Is
if you have information nobody else has, you should want
to keep it that way for as long as possible,
and wanting to work with Juwan long term.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
If that's your goal, that's fine. I get that, but
it's about getting that a lot.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
It also is like you have a situation here where Sophie,
who you have a history and relationship of trust with,
is coming to you to include you in a plan,
which is an inherent show of more trust.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Yeah, the plan that she's explaining is, as you said,
a backup to another plan that has both of you
pretty much safe and if and as Sophie explained to
her so like articulately, like this is if everything goes haywire,
just so we know for an insurance.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Policy, like we have Juwan out.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
And as MC has gone up and like shown us
that she's aware that there is trust now missing between
her and Juwan, she should be excited about that. She
should feel one, I'm getting the trust of like my
close alliance partner to be included in this plan. And two,
this plan works out for me both ways. It goes
down if Rizzo goes out perfect. I'm also not the

(26:24):
one who threw the vote on Juwan, so I don't
have to take that.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Heat for it. Yeah, if it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
And three like if it, if it does happen, so
happen that uh Rizzio plays is idle.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I'm in on the plan. I know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
We can get Juwan out and there already wasn't trust there,
but instead she tries to do this like reparation and
it obviously backfires completely and it's an overplay in a
situation like you said, where you need to just sometimes
chill out, hear what you're being told, and like make
really focused decisions that an't going to cause more chaos.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
And perhaps the EDA didn't show this to us, or
perhaps there was some reason that we didn't see in
the edit why this wasn't an option for EMC. Why
not try to shift the Hinky vote to Sage. If
you really want to keep Jowan that bad, why don't
you tell Sophie Hey, instead of voting for Joan tonight,
throw your vote on Sage, Like I want to keep
Juwan Joan will work with us. He's an important ally

(27:19):
to me, Like let's just get stage out instead, Like
who cares?

Speaker 5 (27:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
And it makes me think that there's something we missed
in the editing there, because that feels like too easy
of a decision to make to achieve everything MC wants
to achieve in this tribal council without having a potential
backfire on her, which is exactly what we saw. I'm curious, Bobby,
what do you make of this kind of information dump

(27:44):
that MC gives to Juwan.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
I mean, it was a lot, right, and it was
a lot to throw on anyone.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Honestly, why do it? It does?

Speaker 6 (27:53):
I understand when you're at the part where you have
five people and there's not a lot of places to hide,
you're trying to use any information you can against those
other people, But all of you are in a situation
where you have someone that has a known idol there
that should be something that you should flush out that
was on the other side of the vote a week ago,

(28:15):
and the fact that the vote went completely away from
that in like one fail swoop when he had the
balls to just say he wasn't gonna play it in general,
and like they could have completely We could all be
talking about riz flop right now. We really could. We
could absolutely be doing that, but we're not. Because people
went crazy. People got paranoid, which happens in these smaller tribes,

(28:40):
and that's the thing that the show loves, right They
love the fact that these people are getting paranoid and
going against their better wishes and their better ideas of
what they should be doing, the fact that MC, at
the beginning of like you said, gave episode one, went
up to Sophie and shared with her that she's on
the out.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, nothing from that storyline.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
It still kind of baffles me that that was included
when nothing comes to that and they end up turning
on each other at the very end.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I just think that they should have been.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
Smart enough to rise above that situation and work together.
I don't think it was beneficial for Sophie to tell EMC,
and I really don't think it was beneficial for EMC
to then relay that information. I guess I would say
I understand EMC was doing it because she was in
a position where the numbers are already slim and you

(29:32):
gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself, but
it was still just sloppy gameplay all the way around.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, and looking at it, you know, kind of to
put a button on this, Wayne, What do you make
of the power that EMC and Sophie seemed to have
at the beginning of this portion of the episode when
they split up the tribes versus where they ended up
going into tribal, Like that swing of power was intense.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Wait, I'm sorry, what what was that question again?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
When they when they split off into five and five
right the beginning of that, MC and Sophie were at
the top. Oh yeah, they were the one in the shots,
and by the time they're going to tribal, they're like
on the bottom with nowhere else to go.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah, because this is like and this is kind of
one of the biggest I guess maybe my critique of
the New Era is like something that a wise friend
once told me that their mom always said, has never
missed a good chance to shut the fuck up, and
a New Era likes to brag. That's the same thing.
Like everyone's like I found this idol. Everybody look at
my idol.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I just found it.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
It's like, oh cool, and I found a useless target.
That's all it is. It's just useless to you, and
we're going to target you until you play that and
then we can go back to playing the game. And
it's like always happening. And that's the same thing. Everything
was overplayed because they're just trying to talk because they
haven't been able to play a game. Really they're playing.
They're playing Werewolf with three other friends on a Saturday

(30:56):
night at their parents' house in the basement. Because none
of them are rolling up to draink like they're not this.
This isn't like, you know, the full on deceit that
we're kind of used to, uh, you know and Survivor
and that. And that's what happened to their power swing
is that they just they they overtalked, they overplayed, and

(31:17):
we must have missed something about Juwan because I just
have seen him as like a kind of perpetually on
the bottom of the top, you know, like he's just
kind of like as soon as they have to get
rid of somebody, they kind of all have in their
mind that Juan and that people keep trying to like
like actively play with him, and like this episode kind
of kind of sort of wreck their whole game because

(31:40):
of him and so and I and maybe it's something
that I'm not seeing or whatever, but.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Well, and that's that's a good shot too, because the
reason that Shannon goes home is because she wanted to
vote out Juwan and that barak him through stage. And
then the reason that MC goes home is because Sophie
wanted to vote out Juwan and that got leaked to
him through. So it's like, what, having Juwan be the
person you want to get out seems to be kind
of a kiss of death.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
But I mean so then my question is, and this
is more for the people that have played Survivor or whatever,
it's like, is this like again overplaying meta, do people
have him targeted as a goat that that that no
one's going to vote for? Is there like somewhere along
the way that they like, even if they haven't said
it in the episode, that that would anybody be thinking

(32:28):
about that where it's like, oh, I want to protect
Juwan because there's no one going to vote for him
to win over me this because it's way too early
to really plan that.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
I think this specific vote and this specific scenario is
really circumstantial to a lot of different moving parts that
like happened here and has a lot less to do
with like any sort of situation of protecting Juwan than
it does Rizzo and Savannah sort of combining forces relationships

(33:00):
that are strong, like between Juwan and Sage and Sage
not wanting to like press too hard about Rizzo because
Rizzo's also there and he's we can't take anything away
from how Rizzo played here, like this was like incredible
work on him, which is observation and putting it onto MC,
which I think is less about Juwan and more about

(33:20):
Rizzo being able to get through the ute title.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
I think it's more just about the chaos that these
two women caused in terms of being sloppy with the
information they were sharing. And I think in MC's case, Gabe,
I know that we did this is just a uniquely
fascinating part of Survivor for me, and we did a
podcast about it, which is like your relationship to watching
the show impacts how you play. And MC is someone

(33:47):
who famously started watching Survivor during our season GAMEE. So like,
I think not having an extremely broad knowledge or repertoire
of exactly how to move through certain situations like this
does give you a bit more of the bug of
like I just want to play, and I just want

(34:08):
to like yeah yeah, but and I just like make
a move. And there's also the other aspect of like, hey,
season fifties being dangled over all of their heads. So
anything that feels safe to them probably also feels unattractive
because it's like actively being told to them that they
should be making big moves and doing crazy things. And

(34:29):
I think that probably loomed large on all of these players,
especially the ones you at this point haven't been main
characters and haven't gone to many tribal councils, And so
all of these factors combined to work together and kind
of back these back MC into a position where she
feels like the best thinking that she can do is more,

(34:50):
when sometimes the best thing that you can do is less.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It's like yeah, yeah, and I you know, I think
that's a fantastic point because so many people who are
viewers to the show kind of get hooked through the
big moments of the show, and people who have been
watching it on a weekly basis for years and years
and years, they get hooked more on like the slow

(35:14):
burn of it. All, you know, like kind of like
seeing all the small dominoes that fall for the big
one to fall versus A lot of people who discover
this show through bin through binge watching in recent years
are probably hooked on like the clips that they see
on Instagram and YouTube of like these big oh my
god moments and kind of this, Oh, I'm gonna hop
around through the seasons and just watch all the ones

(35:35):
I want to watch that have the most crazy characters.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
And the biggest way. You know, people do that exactly
and like like that.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I think when those people get cast on the show,
find themselves in a position where that guides their decision making,
where it's like I just I want to make something happen.
I want to have that clip. And even if they're
not thinking specifically like I want to have that.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Clip, it's subconsciously.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
What good players in Survivor do in their mind is
have these big moves, these clippable moments.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
But those are very difficult to do successfully.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
And my dear dear friend and Teene's dear friend, Caroline
Vidmar always loves to say, I love big smart moves,
I hate big dumb moves. And I think a lot
of New era players like to try to make big
dumb moves because they're like, I'm flipping the whole thing
on its head. But you don't realize how many things
out of your control need to swing your way for

(36:34):
a big move to be a big smart move. And
I think MC did not make a big smart move tonight.
I think that shows in the vote as well. And
we haven't even gotten in to the savannah of it
all yet.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I actually enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I thought that was a nice little addendum to this
format that they have of like what if we take
the person that's immune that won immunity and drop them
on the loser team.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I thought that was fun. Bobby, what did you make
of that? Yeah, no, I liked it.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
I thought that if you're gonna have a twist there,
I enjoy that twist. I think that her having a
vote at the tribal Council was gonna be interesting, especially
since she could hide it the entire time and then
hey boom, I change things right now. I think it
was a great move for her not to use it,
especially now that she has basically an extra vote throughout

(37:22):
the season. But I think that's because Rizzo was safe
and I think that it was very telling to see
Savannah's reaction to Rizzo when he's basically saying to her,
and I'm sure he said it at some point that
he wasn't going to use the idol because he felt
like he was in a good position. If you're someone's
strongest ally and you clearly know you're on the outs

(37:44):
and that other person you can't afford to go home
has the idol and they're saying they're not gonna play it,
that should be instant like panic. Butd well, at least
I have this extra vote. We can use that, you know,
in this if we need to. At any point, the
fact that she didn't use it, Rizzo didn't use his idol,
they must have known pretty solidly that the votes weren't

(38:05):
going on Rizzo that night, because I think she would
have used that extra vote to save him what she
needs in this game to continue her game more than
anything else at this moment. I think that said a
lot about Rizzo spot also to and I don't want
to get away from the Savannah of it all, but
I do want to mention this Sage was flawless in
this episode as well.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yes, not everything went her way, but once.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Again confessionals, knowledge of where she's at in the game,
knowledge of like the gameplay at hand and where the
votes are gonna fall. Sage was really on it. So
I want to give her her kudos because yes, she
didn't get a big edit in this, but what we
did see of her I really enjoyed, yeah, and Loveage.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I thought Sage was great and we can kind of
get a little bit deeper into her game in just
a minute here. I thought the shot of Savannah on
the boat leaving the first tribe and showing up like
the creative England on that.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Boat, it was just like just perfect posture.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Waving the people with the necklace on like that was
like it was like a member of royalty was showing up.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I thought the shot was great.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I thought she owned it great and like, how can
you not, like, you know, being in the place she
was in versus being in the place she was at
at that point in the episode was like she was
on top of the world.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
The hot Grim Reaper in the check was a great line.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I don't think it's her, but it was a great line.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And my favorite moment of season forty nine happened in
this episode, and it was when Savannah told Rizzo that
she had a vote tonight, and instantly.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
You see Rizzo have his wheels start turning in his head.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Like as soon as she says that, he goes, oh
my god, and he just sits there and he takes
a second and he's just thinking and like that that
right there, that's riz riz God was born from me
and that that scene because he just snaps into game
mode and he goes from do I play my idol?
Do I not play my idol? To oh my god,

(40:08):
the possibilities are endless of what I can do right now.
And to have that again state of mind and to
be able to calm yourself and just start thinking, like
that's a game. That's a survivor player right there, that's
ri I Z g O D. The Man, the myth,
the legend, riz God Baby. Like that was such a

(40:28):
great moment for Rizzo and it showed what kind of
player he is, because I think I think somebody's had him,
maybe before we were on air, but for so long,
Rizzo has kind of been shown as like this dorky
super fan that like is really into himself, and you know,
he's got the corny name and whatever. But this showed

(40:50):
like a lot of dimension to his game and to
his thinking, and a lot of complexity to his strategy.
And I just I loved that scene. I thought it
was great. I thought it was badass. Right away. His
wheels start turning of like, I owe so many more
options now than what I had five minutes ago, and
he's thinking about how he can utilize that to save

(41:11):
his idol and get somebody out tonight that he wants
to get out, and that's what he ends up achieving.
I mean, it's it's a complete masterclass. Fantastic episode for Rizzo.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
So this is more credit toward Rizzo, but less credit
toward this is another episode that was kind of like
we've said it like three times or two times already,
where it's boy, it's lucky it worked out this way.
Boy it's lucky worked out with the tribe where Rizzo's
on the bottom with an eyebol, with four other people

(41:43):
that should just vote him out to flush the idol
like everybody has ever done on Survivor, and then Savannah
wins the immunity, his really only real ally who happens
to then get this thing that lets her come over
and kind of jumpstart Rizzo's game and this like kind
of fail situation that gives us this wonderful episode. Boy,

(42:05):
they're real lucky this all happened, and you know, so,
I'm just it's a lot of luck that's happening, or
you know, it's a lot of luck that's happening. I
don't have enough on the back end of it to.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like nobody survivor has ever just completely skilled their way
through the game.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Like, I'm not talking about luck for the players. I'm
talking about luck for the television show that we got,
the episode that we got. Boy, it's it's certainly I'm
not talking about lucky that Savannah won. And I'm not
saying they fixed Savannah to win, so Rizzo has this
ally or whatever. I'm just saying, boy, they're real lucky.
This could have been a real fucking boring episode. You know,

(42:45):
this could have just been straight up and down this
They are very lucky. And part of that's on the casting.
We've always said the cast is awesome. We've liked this
whole cast since day one. I'm just I just want
as many people to play so that we can explore
these like two three, one two voting block type situations

(43:07):
that we see in other versions of Survivor that also
make the game fun as well.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
So sorry, real quick, I just want to say just
the Wayne's point. I think that if Savannah loses in
the immunity, I think that we get one of those
YadA YadA episodes where Savannah is just instantly gone.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I totally agree, I totally yeah. I want to get
into the stage.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Of this episode.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
But before we do, nice little visitor, the one and
only Stephanie Berger joining us season forty eight Survivor, A
fan favorite, especially here on the Reality after show.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
We love Stephanie Berger. Thank you for the hope you me?

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Why was her thumbnail?

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Me?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
It's a what moment? What moment is that? Can you
recall hands over?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I know exactly where that is? That is, uh finding
out out that we made the merch?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Wow, okay, I believe that is.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I believe that's dropped. That's everybody dropped your buffs?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Hell, yeah, awesome you make that? Or was that liked?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
That's her?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Me?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Who I put it on the screen, but she she
typed it. No, But what about the photo the photope?

Speaker 6 (44:20):
That's her she put her Yeah, she knew was night
so teeny.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
As many people know, Sage was our alternate on forty seven.
She has been very kind to forty seven. There was
an article that came out where they asked all the
players before the game started, what's your favorite season? Sage
said forty seven Like she is a forty seven er
in our heart, and I'm curious of like, you know,
because this is the first time we've had you on

(44:48):
the show. What have you made of her game overall?

Speaker 7 (44:52):
To this point, I think that it's okay before I
talk about game, I just want to talk about her
as a person, and.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You learn, you know how to use a good enough
staff that it brought you.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
I want to talk about her as a character and
human on the show because something about her that I like,
that I relate to is that you absolutely cannot undo
Sage from her own gameplay because she is so herself
and her emotions are tied into it, but she does
it in a really measured way like she is.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Whole the whole situation of her reads about being on
the bottom of ULI were incredible because Jowan like wasn't
picking up on that the same way I think that
she was, And to the whole situation. Where As we
talked a lot about how like people were impatient in
this episode, I think the page on her side has

(45:58):
like a lot of patients like she had to live
with Shannon, who obviously drove her bananas and who she
knew was targeting her, and was able to maintain that
relationship and wait for the exact right times to strike
in initiating the conversations about getting Shannon out, she didn't
play too hard. She hasn't played way too hard at all.

(46:19):
I think she has really reads. I think she's doing
in a really, really amazing job of staying true to
herself when very clearly she feels in some ways ostracized
by these people, put on the bottom, discarded by these people.
And I am famously someone who had a really hard
time being able to keep composed in situations where I
felt on the bottom. So on a human to human level,

(46:40):
I'm just deeply impressed by her ability to stay true
to who she is, be able to package who she
is in a way that is so entertaining for us
to watch and to consume, and to do it all
while having good reads on the game and making really
smart decisions in who she does actually want to trust
and align with, like I think undoubted her out. Well, Okay,

(47:02):
I'm not actually gonna say that her and Juwan's connection
is the strongest in the game, but maybe it actually is.
I think that's a conversation we should be having, like
is there alliance actually the strongest in the game, because
we saw tonight, like, yeah, Savannah and Rizzo ended up
on the same side and really helped each other out,
but their decisions up to the start of this episode
got themselves in really hot water, a position that Stage

(47:25):
did not find herself in because of the choices she
made and the people she aligned with, and they found
themselves into hot water that like they all talked about like, hey,
if I need to go against Rizzo, I might have to.
If I need to go against Savanna, I might have to.
Whereas Stage right now has an alliance member who is
like really extremely loyal to her, who she's playing the
game in lockstep with, and I think that's a really

(47:48):
valuable thing to have at this stage in the game.
So I'm really impressed by her. I'm not surprised at
all to see how well she's doing. I think she's
an incredibly intuitive person. I think she's playing the game
with intuition, but with again just like really measured strategic
looks at the game board.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
And on top of all that, which I wholeheartedly agree with,
she's an entertainment machine.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
She is exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
She is funny, she is shocking.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
She is a great narrator, like she has played the heroes,
she has played the villain this season. Like she is
so genuine in a way that like both comforts you
and shocks you oftentimes at the same time. I mean,
she is just like this slam dunk casting. It makes

(48:37):
you wonder how she was ever an alternate, to be
honest with you, and like, I very selfishly wish that
she could have been on forty seven, but the fact
that she got her shot eventually is great. And on
tonight's episode, I think again she wasn't really the main
character like she quite was last week, but she.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Was so, so, so good.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
She was so good this episode in terms of her reads,
in terms of how she decided to move through this
very precarious situation of being split off into a five
person tribe, and thankfully she came into this for her
sake in a very powerful position, in a very advantageous
insulated position. But she kind of started off this episode

(49:23):
pretty gung ho, right, She was like, I just got
Nate out. I want to get Savannah out now. Yeah,
and I'm gonna start making Savannah feel uncomfortable. That to
me is not great Survivor gameplay, Like it's kind of like,
just let people vote themselves out of the game essentially,
you know, like if somebody has a target on their back,
let them grow that target. You don't need to lean
on them for that to happen, especially somebody like Savannah.

(49:45):
But then she gets into this you know, new voting
block of five people eventually six when Savannah joins, and
she pivots off of that and not necessarily in Savannah's
case because she was immune, but she pivots off this
like I'm calling shots here. It's kind of like information
is floating to me, and I'm just gonna go with
the water.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Wherever the water's going, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And to be able to come off of the high
of flipping on your original tribe, successfully executing a blianside
on a power player like Nate, turning the game over
on Sophie, Savannah, and Rizzo, like all of these things
that she accomplished flawlessly to then be able to kind
of calm yourself down and be like, you know what,

(50:27):
like this is a weird, unpredictable situation.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm not gonna be the center of this.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Let information come to me, let it go away from me,
and wherever the votes go, I'm just gonna flow with it.
And she ended up voting tonight with the people that
she's seeking to get out in Rizzo and Savannah. She
voted alongside them tonight when she really didn't want to
do that at the beginning of the episode. That's survivor maturity, yes,
that survivor presence. That's knowing where you're at in this

(50:56):
specific night and knowing And I think that this is
something that a lot of peop people kind of in life.
But you know, for the purposes of this conversation, survivor
struggle with that. I think people think that like whatever
they're doing, wherever they're at, whoever they're voting with, like
that's who I'm with for the rest of the game,
you know, like this is the thing I'm doing now

(51:16):
and this is where I'm going to be forever.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
But Stage has a very good way of.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Being like this is what I'm doing right now, and
whatever happens at the next tribal could be radically different
than what I'm doing now. She completely lied and blindsided
and stabbed in the back Nate Rizzo, Sophie and Savannah
and tonight, like she's like, oh, we're voting with them
to get MC out. Cool done, let's do it. Like
that is very difficult to do, and yet she has

(51:43):
now done it multiple times throughout this season with like
just such gusto and such ease and like that is
the hallmark of a great Survivor player, on top of
all the entertaining aspects of her that I talked about.
So we ended up getting to tribal and Sophie comes
out and says it in classic Sophie fashion. She loves

(52:04):
to just come out and say it right. She says
that it's either me or MC going tonight, which again
for her to be opening tribal with that versus where
they started after the challenge is just so mind boggling,
Like the power swing is just so extreme, and she says,
you know what, either me or EMC are going home tonight,

(52:25):
and that's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
And Jeff is, oh my god, well, and.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
We kind of get into this conversation of like how
that came about, and Sophie makes her case and MC
makes her case, and then we get into our first
live tribal of the season and Wayne, what's your take
on live tribals?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Do you love them? Do you hate them? Are you indifferent?

Speaker 5 (52:45):
I love them. I think every tribal should be live.
We don't have live tribals because you can't hide when
there's four people out there. You can't like go off
and whisper because there's only Jeff and two other people.
They can hear you whisper quiet enough. You have to
walk so far away to actually like, you can't have
live tribals unless you have a certain amount of people

(53:08):
really there. So I love it. I think you should
be playing the game up until Jeff says, okay, everybody,
we actually have to go vote now, Like now you
have no more talk Like every top tribal it should
be people, you know, Twitter and around and all that stuff.
I understand why it's probably people don't like it because

(53:29):
you don't always catch what everything. Like tonight, there was
a lot we don't know. We have no idea what said.
They didn't caption it we don't know and how it
all fell out.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
And there's a moment where mc goes to Juan in
the live tribal and says, I have a really big
I have one more big ask for you, And then
they don't show us what that big ask was.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
What do you think that was?

Speaker 6 (53:52):
I think for me, I think the whole thing of
the ask was, Hey, I will give you whatever information
about he and I will give you whatever you need
in this game. I know who has idols. I might
be complete bullshit. I think that's why we didn't get
to see more of it, because she was probably just spewing.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Stuff to spew stuff to try to get saved.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
But I think that with the live tribal, like Wayne said,
at a five person tribal council, it really is like
there's no place to hide where it's already set in stone.
That majority of the time, right, like I'd say, eighty
percent of the time, nothing changes at tribal council. They
get up, they act like something's gonna happen, they kind

(54:35):
of talk, everyone mixing mingles.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Eighty percent of the time it.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
Stays the same because at that point it's just too
risky and then two, when it does happen that slim
twenty percent that I would say happens more on Australian
Survivor than it does on US Survivor, then it's completely
a shit show and everything goes hey wire. But that's
usually with like an idol involved. Something happens in that thing.
But I agree with Wayne's point. I woul I wish

(55:00):
we could have a live tribal every tribal council do
it at the first merge vote. It'd be great, It'd
be fantastic. Yeah, one last thing, because I didn't get
to say it earlier, to piggyback off of what Teini said,
and we'll go back to what you guys were saying here.
I just wanted to make sure I get this in there.
The whole thing about Sage with Juan, I think that
it's a marriage of convenience, right. I don't think Sage

(55:23):
ever intended to fully work with Juwan, but it's a
marriage of convenience. And Sage is so savvy enough in
the gameplay, and we kind of praised her all episode,
but she's savvy enough to realize that she needs Juwan
for this marriage of convenience.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
To get further in the game. And also, Juwan is
so much more of.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
The vocal I'm gonna get targeted first before Sage does that.
It's such a benefit for her to have him on
her side working with her. And she has Steven too,
let's not forget about that. Like that that trio is
a thing, they have an alliance name behind it. So

(56:04):
for her to let Juwan kind of take the lead
in this scenario, in this small tribal where it's like,
I'm gonna step back and let you do your thing.
And if you think this person's throwing out your name, great.
Whenever this gets back to the other people working with
you're the one who was threatened, not me. I just
did what everyone else was doing. But I didn't want
to take away from what we were talking about on

(56:25):
tribal Council. I just wanted to get that out there.
Like you said, Gabe, that was very savvy.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
No for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And as we wrap this thing up here, KINI, what
are your thoughts on MC as a player?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Is this somebody you enjoyed seeing?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You know, how would you characterize EMC's game And as
a survivor.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
I think MC was like a really classic Survivor can testing.
In so far as she was strong, she was obviously
impressive in challenges. She had a wonderful pre merge, was
very insulated and connected, but ultimately fell or because one
we didn't get a chance to see enough of her
gameplay flourish because she didn't tribal too much. And two,

(57:09):
where I stand on MC is I.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Think there there was a bit of.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Just inexperience in the fundamentals of Survivor, and when you
were talking about stage, I think what we see there
is somebody who has a very very core foundation of
the Survivor fundamentals and the patience to know when to
make a move, and the originality and realness to like

(57:38):
stay true to herself all throughout while doing it, and
to be honest with us about everything she feels in
the game, when she's happy about something and when she's not.
And sorry, I know the question was about MC. My
mind's still on stage. I'm obsessed, but I don't know.
I think EMC, with a bit more time soaking in

(58:00):
the true fundamentals of Survivor, could make a really impressive
player and is a really really prime person who anyone
would want to work with. But I just think the
way that the card shook out this season, she had
few opportunities to get some play in and some momentum
under her feet and some real like efficacy in her

(58:24):
own ability ability to pivot and to position herself, and
when she finally got the time to try it, it
was a little bit sloppy and then ultimately too late.
And it's sad to see because I thought she was
fun and again, I do think she has the potential
to be a great player. But when you're playing with

(58:45):
people who are doing four D chests, such as Rizzo,
who is holding onto this idol and see Savannah know
she has an advantage, you're just a little bit out
of your depth at a certain point.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
And that's so uh MC was the alternate, right, she
was one of the two alternates, So I think that's
got to play a lot into it is that, like
I can't imagine every I mean, look at Sage. She
was an alternate on forty seven. So when she just
lived in Fiji for like a year until she finally

(59:17):
got to play Survivor, like, what do they keep flying
her back and forth? Which she an alternate on forty
eight as well?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Or they she flew back to the United States, and
then a.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Year they cast her on forty nine. Okay, yeah, and
then so like EMC is like I think being the alternate,
You're going out there like I'm an alternate Survivor like
I'm ready, but you're not. You know, you're not ready,
And then they kicked the other two off and now
you're playing. I think she's the perfect candidate. I think, Tina,
you were saying this without saying it for a second

(59:50):
chance season, like, she is like the perfect candidate, like
a strong player, classic Survivor player, a little bit like
immature in the Survivor gameplay, can come back and watch this,
hopefully learn learn from other gameplay, and come back and
like really play a strong game a second chance Like,
she's the type of player that should have a second

(01:00:11):
chance season because she made one pretty critical mistake, I think,
and that was including Juwan in this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, I mean, I was a huge fan of MC.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I think that you know, she never went to Tribal
until we got to the merge, which sucks, and I
think that we would have really benefited if we got
to see more of her pre merge game, because I
really liked what we saw from her in the pre merge.
I loved when she was brought in as the bottom
member of the four majority on Heena and then decided, no,

(01:00:44):
I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna go rat
on you guys to the person you want to get
out and try to start an alliance with her. Like
that's that's what I did on Tuku, and like, so
I have a lot of respect for that. You know,
when she played her idol at the merge, Like I
have a lot to respect for that too, because the
two most dangerous tribal councils you're gonna have are the

(01:01:04):
very first one you go to and pre merge and
the very first merge at tribal because that's when you
don't know who's telling the truth and who's lying, because
it's the first time you've played with the people who
you're with. So I love the philosophy of playing an
idol to just get everybody's cards out there and get
a free pass to see who's lying and who's telling
the truth. So I saw a lot of overlap in

(01:01:25):
myself in MC in terms of just like some philosophies
and some mooth that she made.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
But I do agree with the point that I think
she is somebody who probably.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Got out played by people who just knew the game
a bit better than her. Yeah, And I think that's
an archetype that we're seeing more and more in the
new era of Survivor. So I think that there's a
lot of positive I think she has a lot of
raw talent and ability but socially and physically. But I
think that she just like needed a bit more Survivor

(01:01:56):
crash course to know when it's time to kind of recoil,
when it's time to show yourself, when it's time to
shut up, when it's time to spill information, and that balance.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's hard even for people who do know the game
very well, so it's even more difficult not only for
people who don't know the game very well, but are
playing against people who are really proper students of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Bobby, what did you make of MC?

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
I mean, I liked MC. I thought MC was a
strong player. I thought MC was a lot of fun.
I wish we would have got to see more of
old Heina when it was Old Heina, because then I
think we would have got a little bit more character
development that's the problem when you have a disaster tribe
where they take up the majority of the you know,
preseason or the early season screen time. But I think

(01:02:41):
that for MC to get as far as she did,
when obviously she was new to this game, new to Survivor,
I think it says a lot about her and her gameplay.
I think, like you guys have all said, we've kind
of reiterated, it's just a tough situation and she thought
she was doing the right move and it backfired, and
that we can say that about countless other survivors that
have played this game, that had knowledge about this game

(01:03:03):
and and just it just sometimes it doesn't work in
your favor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Let's be real, Survivor, there's a lot of it that's
about luck.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
Yes, some of it is strategic, some of it is
how you set yourself up, but some of us just
getting lucky too by getting there to the end. So
the fact that she got as far as she did
all the credit to her and being someone who was
a not a recruit, but someone new to Survivor, someone
who thought they were an alternate and then came on
at the last second. Like I give her a lot
of props and she played very well. One last thing,

(01:03:33):
I want to ask you two from Survivor forty seven.
If Sage would have been cast, and let's say she's
not replacing anyone, what tribe do you think she would
have done the best with?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Wowo though, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Put away what you know now though, like you own
no alchemy you've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Dude, I'll tell you right now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
I literally found out stage was an alter and snuck
into her tent and wrote her a note because that's
how good I felt about Really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Didn't know that you did it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
No, yeah, I snuck into let's not this isn't going
to get into the powers that be, but yeah, I
found it an alternate. I knew she was going home
and not playing the game, and so I found time
during the day and I wrote her a note being like,
I have felt such a kinship to you this entire time.
You've made me feel so safe and I wish that
I was playing with you, and I'm rooting for you.

(01:04:29):
Please find me after this, And I snuck into her
tent and I left it there. And then when I
got out of the game, I checked my suitcase and
I had a.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Note from her.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Oh wow, So like I Ultimately, she was the person
who I literally felt and she sat closest to me,
so we spent a lot of time like writing, proximity
to each other. But like I, from the minute I
saw the season forty seven cast for the first time,
she was the very first person who I felt really
connected to and really like, Okay, this is what I
was expecting from the pregame, is like this kind of

(01:04:57):
thing with people, and well, if you were the first example, Gabe,
who I did not famously like, you did not give
me much. And then I saw her and she was
so warm and laughed at similar things to me, And
so I say, lavo, just because I know that I
had very strong feelings about wanting to work with her.
I think that Saul would have been really keen to

(01:05:19):
work with her. I think that her in Asia would
have gotten along well, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Think she would have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I think she would have benefited from being on a
tribe with somebody like Rome, because like that's the lightning
Rod and I feel like he was kind of that
on her tribe, and to have somebody else who would
like so easily take that from her, I think it
would help her even more.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, for sure, yeap interesting. What do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
About her on Tuku game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I think I really wanted I think I really would
have wanted to work with her on Teko. I think
that I would have gone to her before I went
to Caroline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Sue always won one. That is always my number one ally.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I would always go to Sue in any universe, in
any season of Survivor, I am always going to Sue
smee first to be my number one ally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
But I think if she was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
On Tuku, and even if Caroline was there too, I
think I would have gone to stage first because I
wanted to like gather those outsiders.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
That was my goal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I wanted to gather those outsiders, and I wanted that
to be my alliance. So I think she would have
done quite well on Tucu because of that. I think
she would have been the power alliance with me and Sue,
and I think would have been part of that Gatta.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I don't think she would have done very well on Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah, I think it would have looked
a lot like her time on Uli in this season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, same, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Know, because Uli was kind of the cool kids Try
of forty nine, and Gotta was the cool kids trive
of forty seven, and I think she would have found
herself in a very similar position. But I think she
would have fared well on Tuku and Lavo for different reasons.
I think she would have fit in great on Lava,
and I think on Tuku she would have been a
part of the plans that made it to the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Mariche you know, is kind of the way perfect perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Any last notes on episode eight of season forty nine,
a Survivor or should we wrap this up?

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
No? I thought it was great. I you know, I'm
still waiting for this like mind blowing gameplay. I think
Rizzo kind of you know, showed a little bit of it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Like I said, riz God was born tonight for me,
he was so good. Alright, g O D baby he
was born.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
I think I think we're at the point where it's
like kind of fun to do this. Anyone got a
winter pick, like who they think, not who they want?
Just watching, just curious if anyone's got one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Mine doesn't change, I say, age, mind doesn't change. Mine's
always been so alri z g e O dpabeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Let's get it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Thank you so so so so so much for joining us.
This is so much fun. You are the absolute best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
When we get our special guest on, I promise you
will be on with us again to make that happen.
Thank you so much, so much fun for Bobby, for
teeny for Wayne. This has been the reality after show
recap in season forty nine of Survivor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Folks, We'll see you next week, Bobby, get us out
of here.

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