March 15, 2025 • 28 mins
In a time when society feels divided and uncertain, Revival Radio TV dives deep into the roots of revival, uncovering the power of faith and history to bring transformation. Hosts Gene Bailey and Greg Stephens explore the significance of re-digging the spiritual wells that once shaped nations, drawing from biblical principles and historical revivals to ignite a new move of God. They ask a critical question: Is there not a cause? As the world drifts further from truth, believers are called to stand up, reclaim what was lost, and become catalysts for revival in their generation. If you’re seeking a fresh move of God, this episode is a must-watch!
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In every generation,there have been revivals,
massive moves of the Spirit
that changed thecourse of history.
In every revival, therewere believers like you
who chose to answer the call
to become the one intheir generation.
Discover your callto be the one
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in your generation.
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Welcome to Revival Radio TV,I'm your host Gene Bailey
here with Greg Stephens.
Welcome back, Greg.
- Thank you.
It's an honor to be here.
- Thanks, Greg. Goodto have you here.
You know, we were talkingabout some things,
and I think this would be agreat program for us to kind
of dive into a little morehistory and a little more
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roots in the cause.
You know, we know thecause for Revival Radio TV,
our scriptures, Genesis 26:18.
Isaac dug again the wells ofwater which had been dug
in the days ofAbraham, his father,
for thePhilistines had stopped them up
after the death of Abraham,and he gave them the names
of which hisfather had called them.
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Now, usually when wego down this path,
when I go down this path,I talk about the fact
that it wasn't easyto build a well.
It wasn't easy to dig a well.
You know, it wasn't likeyou did it this afternoon
and you had a well tomorrow.
You know, it took along time to dig it,
then you had to line it withstones to get clean water.
And so they filledin these wells,
which was shutting down so muchof what, you know, the life,
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the sustenance was the water.
Everything, you know,survived around water
and around these wells.
So talk about the cause.
Is there not a cause?
And relate that back to ushere at Revival Radio TV.
- You know, we seethings on the news.
We see things on FlashPoint.
We hear the headlines.
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We see what'shappening with riots,
whether they're BlackLives Matter or Antifa,
college campuses nowsupporting Hamas.
And you see all of thisstuff and you think, God,
where are you?
And once again, it's becausewe were starting to re-dig
those wells of Revival andthose things from our founders.
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We've talked about theConstitution here
on this program, re-diggingthat well and learning about
where we camefrom.
The Constitutionis a covenant.
It's a compact.
It's a partnershipwhere we, the people,
partner with the peoplewe elect to govern us,
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but not to control us.
And so your partnershipbreaks down
when you no longer havethe same goal.
God started thatwhen he created man,
let us make man in our image.
They made a partnershiptogether to make us.
And then he saw that manwas alone and he said,
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"He can't do what I'masking him to do because
he doesn't have a partner."
So he made Eve.
That was the first partnership.
Now we've seen marriage attack.
And so we want these things.
We pray to God for thesethings, but we haven't realized
that the secret to it all, Ireally believe, is a cause.
That's what we had withour founding fathers.
I would dare say thatmost every Revival,
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there was a cause thatpeople were fasting for.
There was something that theywere meeting every day
and began to pray about.
- Well, you know, asyou're saying that,
I'm thinking aboutthe Welsh Revival.
Listen to this.
Their system ofgovernment was corrupt.
They were in the middle ofan election season
and it was horrible.
The economy was badand crime was up.
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Is any of thissounded familiar yet?
You know, that was the cause.
And in the middleof that, you know,
Evan Roberts and the great WelshRevival is born because
of where they were in thatsection of history.
There was a lot ofdisaster in the economy.
So they were looking to God.
You know, the times were tough.
They startedlooking back to God.
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- Somebody called somebodyinto remembrance.
Somebody said, "Ifwe'll go and seek God,"
if we'll begin to...somebody's re-digging a well
is what they're doing, Gene.
So you see the samething when Jesus is born.
When he came to the earth,there's a Roman government,
occupied Israel iswhat's happening.
You have a King Herod who'snot legitimate sitting
on the throne.
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The priesthood is not legitimatein the order of the priests.
So once again, you've got a mannamed Simeon and a woman named
Anna who were dailyin the temple praying.
So they prayed him in.
They prayed a revival in.
So I think the best example,Ecclesiastes 4:9 says,
"Two are better than one."
When we get together and beginto realize these things,
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and that's why I want to thankyou for doing Revival Radio,
because it's remindingus of where we came from.
There's a story that'sone of my favorites.
When a little boywatching sheep,
his father's name is Jesse.
His name is David.
He sends him on an errand.
He says, David, I want you totake these 10 loaves of bread,
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and I want you totake some corn,
and I want you to take thecheese to their officer
that's over whereyour brothers,
and take it to the front.
Gene, they'd been in battle,one side here and one side here
in a valley between themwith the Philistines
for 40 days in a standoff,nothing happening.
And little David shows upand he rides up there
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and he gives the gifts.
Jesse became a partner rightthen with the Israeli
Defense Forces.
And he brings this and hesends him on an errand,
not knowing that that errandhe ran is going to change
the course of history.
You and I are sittinghere today as Christians,
as believers in Jesus, becauseDavid will kill Goliath that day
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and he'll start the--
- Yeah, and it's interesting.
David didn't know thatwas about to happen.
- No, he had no clue.
- He didn't go with that intent.
- And his brotheraccused him of that.
And he said, "No, I'm not that".
But David makes a statement.
It's in 1 Samuel 17.
He says, "Is there not a cause?"
And he said that to hisbrothers and he said that
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to everybody around them.
And he realized there wassomething different
about this little guy.
There's gotta be a cause.
I'll submit to you and to theaudience with us today
that what we see with youngpeople on college campuses
is they want a cause.
They want somethingto believe in.
That's what theRevolutionary War was about.
That's what people prayingfor revival was about.
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They were believing for a cause.
You can get people torally around a cause
quicker than you can an object.
But if there's acause, you'll fight.
You'll give your sacredhonor, your fortune.
You'll sign a document thatwill label you as a treason,
which our founding fathers did.
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So David asked the simple littlequestion, is there not a cause?
And I'll say to you,I think there is.
Jesus will come and answerthat, the son of David.
He'll say, "Yeah,there is a cause. It's you."
And so we were calledto do what he did.
"Greater things shall you dobecause I go to my Father."
And I think it's vitallyimportant that the body
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of Christ get in a cause.
Now you asked me a long timeago when Revival Radio first
started, what is revival?
And how does revival end?
And I remember I didn't have areally good answer for you
and I've thought about itmany times since then.
Partnership is wehave the same cause.
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We have the same goal.
It breaks down becauseit's relational.
We're relational beings.
God created us to berelational one for another.
It breaks down when we nolonger share the same goal.
So if they can come in andrefill our wells to where
we don't have the samegoal that we once had,
I don't have the goal forAmerica that the founders had.
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I see a different America.
I have a differentgoal for church.
I have a differentgoal for revival.
I'll submit to you thatthat's how revival ends.
When we no longershare the same goals,
when it's no longerabout winning the lost
or seeing signs,wonders, and miracles.
When it becomesabout, okay, well,
while we're in this revivaland things are flowing,
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let's build the new building.
- Well, man has, it seems,especially when we don't...
we haven't seemed to havelearned this lesson
that we want to control it.
We want to steer it.
I think the heart may bepure and like, hey, well,
let's do this becausethat's the way God's moving.
So therefore overnight itbecomes a format or a standard.
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This is the way it'sgoing to work
and this is what'sgoing to happen.
- And it will for a while.
- And it will actually,and you think, well,
this is what we're doing.
- The greatest resistance,
I used to go to thebeach all the time.
I lived in Southern Californiaand I would watch the waves.
I know that sounds likea boring thing to do,
but it was actuallyvery relaxing.
The greatest resistance to anew wave that was coming in
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was the previouswave going out.
And I think that ifwe're not careful,
that's what we'll do in thechurch, in the body of Christ.
- We must open oureyes and see that.
But this cause thing,let's go back to that.
Because I'm thinking of what'sgoing on in America right now
on our college campuses.
You can't help when youlook at some of the video,
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although the quality isbetter now, back in 1968,
it's almost the same look.
If you could equalize,- It's the same source.
- If you could equalize thequality of the footage,
I don't think you would realizeit's any different because
you had at the beginning of1968, everything was great.
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There was a dress code.
Guys wore ties andjackets to class.
By the end, there's long hair,burning in the streets and riots
and free love andeverything had blown up.
And that cause for the war.
And so now we've got this thingwith Palestine versus Israel,
which I gotta say, Greg,is so bizarre to me.
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People inerrantly cometogether for a cause
that they may not even know.
- There's something about agroup and a mob. We're relational.
- And the mob mentality.
- And that's exactlywhat they're doing.
But it's nothing new.
- No, it's not new.
- It's been around sinceRoman days and even before
all the way to theTower of Babel,
if you wanna goback that far.
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It's not a new thing. There'snothing new under the sun.
It's what Solomon wrote.
And the enemy, he onlyhas that one thing.
I mean, that's what he does.
It's deception.
And so he takes deceptionand packages it.
When he said, when Davidsaid to his brother,
is there not a cause?
It was an indictmenton his brother's fear,
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on his lack of faith, on thewrong motive, on being passive.
And while that happened in68, what was right behind it?
We had the Jesus movementhit in the early 70s,
right behind that thing.
Where sin abounds, gracedoes much more bound.
And I would submit toyou, you've seen it
with your very own eyes.
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There are tens of thousandsof young college age,
patriotic kids that are goingto turning point events.
And they're out there.
- They are out there.
And it's almost shocking tous because they don't get
the airplay from themainstream media.
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So you're like, whoa,look at this kid reciting,
eloquently passages ofthe Constitution
and the Declaration ofIndependence.
These are great things.
But you know, going back toDavid, Greg, I've also wondered,
here comes this David, thiskid to the front lines,
who's bold as a lion.
And he comes in there and hewants to know what is going on.
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And you're right, hisbrothers, it was an indictment
on his brothers.
But what abouteverybody else there?
They were all cowering in fear.
They didn't know what to do.
So they're just as agroup, their cause was,
let's be in fear together andlet's stay in protect.
- Well, the comment was made,what happens to the guy
who kills him?
- Yeah, what do I get?
- Yeah, and that'stheir mentality.
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What do I get?
Well, you get to marrythe king's daughter
and no taxes for life andda, da, da, da, da, da, da.
And David didn'tcare about all that.
His thing was, isthere not a cause?
I mean, it's notabout what we get.
It's this guy, these guys aresquatters on Judah's land.
You know, that's whathe was upset about.
And he will speak covenant.
Who is that uncircumcisedPhilistine?
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You know what I mean?
It's just because he hada boldness about him.
Now, the same thing hadhappened when they came
into their promised land.
Remember, they weredelayed for 40 years.
They had to walk in thewilderness because 10 guys
came back with their giants inthe land and walled cities
and were like grasshoppersin their eyes.
And two guys said, "No,we're well able to do this."
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And so that same pattern,see, that's the same pattern.
I will submit this to you.
You can re-dig wellsthat are not good wells.
They're bitter wells.
And that's what we'reseeing play out a lot.
I think that's whatthese men did that day.
They re-dug that bitterwell instead of good wells.
And David is a guywho came and shook...
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There has to be some revivalist,you call it being the one.
There has to be that personthat will come along and just
say something bold andspark you into action.
I think that's whatDavid did that day.
Well, if you're notgonna do it, I'll do it.
They tried to give him armor.
- Yeah, and you're right.
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What we're seeing atAmerica's Ivy League schools,
universities, as well as acrossthe nation is we're seeing
the re-digging ofthe Marxist well
and the socialism wells
that we thought, ourgeneration thought,
man, that'll never happen here.
We'll never go down that pathagain because we were old enough
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to remember, but young enough totake it to the next generation.
We know what happens down there.
And yet here's a wholegeneration frantically digging
the well because thisis the best thing ever.
And it's not, history'sproved it that way.
So yeah, here we are.
So the church is overlaid.
So let's go down this path.
I know you got more notes,but I wanna ask you this.
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The church isoverlaid current day.
And we want the revival.
We want God to show up and wewanna pray and see God move.
How do we do that, Greg?
Because there's alot of good people,
but they've been inchurch the whole time.
They never got outof the building.
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So really, they've become,I submit this to you
that I believe the church, thedevil's been fine with us
being in our four walls.
- Oh, he'll let youhave a megachurch.
- Yeah, even a megachurch,just don't get out of there.
Don't affect your city.
- Don't take it outside.
And I think that'swhere we've messed up.
And if you look at the Jesusmovement, I mentioned it's 71,
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72 in that range.
Where was it?
Baptizing in the ocean,out on the city streets.
It was out in the marketplace.
That's what Jesus ministry was.
It was out in the marketplace.
And we've been asking God todo what he told us to go do
so many times.
And then we wonder, whyis it taking so long?
Why is it not happening?
We didn't realize that Godwill take college professors
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or teachers, he'll takefull-time ministers
and disguise them as collegeprofessors or teachers
and put them in a classroom.
We didn't see thatwhat we do is ministry.
We have ministers andthen the rest of us.
There's been a separation.
- Never really has.
- And that can't be, because thework of the ministry happens
out there, not in the church.
Church is where wecome to mend our nets,
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to get ourselves prepared to goback out into the harvest field.
Jesus said it a long time ago.
Look, the harvestis ready right now.
Pray for laborers.
That's been our problem.
We've not equipped people to goout and be Him in a courtroom,
be Him in a police department,be Him whatever, an astronaut,
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whatever it is.
We've looked for professionalpreachers, if you will.
And then we pray forrevival all the time.
Well, revival usually startedsometimes not by a preacher.
- Yeah, in fact, Seth Joshua,in going back to Wales,
prayed for God to do somethingin Wales and let it not come
through a member of the clergy.
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- Why would he say that?
- Because he knew, infact, there's some...
I don't remember theverbiage, but he said,
because it willbecome tarnished.
It will be manipulated.
It must be pure.
You know, let it come fromsomebody not through the church
so that it will be pure,unadulterated move of God.
- And Jesus willmodel that for us.
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He's not a Levite.
- No, he's not.
- When he was on the earth, hecould not go into the holy place
to the temple wherehis presence was.
He couldn't go in there
because he was of thewrong tribe, right?
He didn't have choice seats inhis own synagogue because
that was for the Pharisees.
And when you thinkof it that way,
his cousin though was a Levite.
And I'll say this to you, whenJesus came to the Jordan River
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that day and John,a Levite priest,
anointed by the Holy Ghost,anointed Jesus from Judah,
the son of David, Lionof the tribe of Judah,
I believe that the anointingchanged because it says
the Holy Spirit descendedon him like a dove.
You know, he wasn't a dove,but it descended like a dove.
That the anointing transferfrom the Levite to Judah
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happened right then.
So we have adifferent priest now.
We have a different covenant.
Each of us, Revelationchapter one, two, three
says are kings and priests.
And we are to gosubdue kingdoms.
We're to go minister to people.
So when the priesthood changed,the anointing changed.
And we haven't taught people.
I'm just going to say,I've been a pastor.
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I was a pastor for 14 years.
We didn't teach people wellenough that it's not about us.
It's about you.
My job is to equip you togo minister to people
that you're cutting their hair.
I told a guy who's a hair guy.
I don't know. Theycall him barber.
I don't know whatyou call him anymore.
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But I said, "You have yourhands on more heads in a week
than I ever will.
I won't lay that many handson heads praying for people,
but you do, and youcan minister to them."
That's what wehaven't taught people.
That changes America, Gene.
That's a revival.
It's not just a revival.
That's a revolution.
- It leads to a reformation.
Of a reformation, exactly.
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One guy got a revelationfrom the Word,
"The just shall live by faith."
And if you read it inthe original Hebrew,
it doesn't say that.
And if you read it inthe original Greek,
it doesn't say, "The justshall live by faith."
It says, "The just byfaith shall live."
I'm justified by faith.
Now I live.
It puts all of thething back on him.
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I'm doing this for him.
It's his faith.
It's not my faith.
It's his faith.
- Explain how we gofrom here, Greg.
How do we get thisin our daily life?
- Amos 3:3 says,
"How can two walk together,excepts they be agreed?"
That means the streams have tocome together into one stream.
How can two walk togetherlest they be agreed?
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So we're not gonna agree onevery single thing, doctrinally.
We're not called to do that.
But we can agree on onething, that Jesus is Lord.
That God is our Father.
That he died, he rose.
I'm crucified with him.
I was buried with him.
I rose with him. I'mseated with him.
And I reign with him in life.
So we can agree on that.
It says, "People perishfor a lack of knowledge."
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We've gotta teachpeople these things.
God elects humans aspartners in implementing
his plan on the earth.
That was his choicefrom the beginning.
And we've gotta see thatI am called to do that.
Now, I'm called to dothat as a news anchor.
I'm called to dothat as a teacher.
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I'm called to implement hisplan as a college professor.
I'm called toimplement his plan.
We used to think only preachers,only pastors, evangelists,
missionaries, those are theonly people called of God.
- Oh yeah.
And the rest of us, wejust have to support them.
- And the singing guy.
And the rest of you giveso they can do that.
Well, that goes backto the Levitical way.
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Levites never receivedan inheritance
in their promised land.
The rest of the tribesprovided for the Levites.
That's where we got that system.
But that's an old covenant way.
And it's the way it worked,that's the way God set it up
for that purpose.
And they lived in the cities andthey would bring the presence
of God back to the peoplebecause the people,
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when they came withMoses to Mount Sinai,
they backed awayfrom the presence.
They go, "No, no, no, no,you represent us now."
So God said, "Okay,I'm gonna give you,
we'll do Aaron right there.
And his sons willalways be those people
that will represent me to you."
And so they would gowork in the temple.
They would go back to theircities and they would bring
the presence back to themand the anointing back.
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But that all changedwith the new priesthood.
We've never realizedthat that changed.
We still have tried to liveby that Levitical method
in a new covenant, but wehave a new covenant.
So God elects humans as partnersin implementing his divine plan
on the earth, illustrating thatGod values a collaboration
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and a joint effort.
We are co-labors with him.
We're joint heirs with him.
Jesus said, "Greaterwork shall you do."
It was His plan thatthe disciples' church
would be bigger than His.
- Wow, Greg, but you andI both know that
you're getting into a lotof where people live
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and that we've seen it.
We've seen a lot of jealousyin the church and churches
between against each other.
And everybody will agreewith what you just said.
The streams of ministry.
Yeah, absolutely.
I can walk with you, butthen I have to walk it out.
- If you really want revival,
if you're really serious,
then you won't care.
- And that's my cause.
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That's why this program is here.
If you really want a revival,nothing can keep you from it.
If you really want it.
- No, he wants more revivalmore than we want revival
most of the time.
- It's almost like we're at aMartin Luther 95 thesis again,
time in history where we've gotto have somebody that goes,
no, this is not right.
Because we've lived.
I remember hearinga long time ago,
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pastors saying,
"Church was never meant tobe a bus terminal.
It's meant to be a bus station."
You come in, you get recharged.
You go back out.- That's right.
- It's not supposed to bewhere you just go and park
and you stay there.
But that has to take somematurity at every level.
At every level of parishioneras pastor, as teacher,
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all of those things have tounderstand their place
and not diminish the other one.
- When Jesus wascalling the disciples,
he was walking down the shore ofGalilee and he sees fishermen
who fished all night andthey have caught nothing.
And they're mending their nets.
They're tired.
Listen, if you've worked allnight and you didn't catch
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anything and you didn'tbring a paycheck home today
and you got to go back outtonight and do the same thing
because they fished at nightbecause of the braided line.
We'll do the nets later.
We didn't break thenets in any way.
So we'll do the nets later.
We'll come back earlyand do the nets.
Let's go sleep.
They didn't dothat. They stayed.
Jesus saw somethingin those guys.
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The same word in the originallanguage for mending the nets
is the same wordover in Ephesians
for equipping the saints.
It's the same Greek word.
My job, if I am anunder-shepherd as a pastor
of the great Shepherd Jesus,
my job is to look for people
who will mend nets to go fish.
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And Jesus, what'dhe say to them?
I'm going to makeyou fishers of men.
He partnered with them.
Now it's going to takethree years before
they start catching men.
But he's now training peoplethat he saw would be diligent
to mend the nets even thoughthey hadn't caught anything.
My job at the church,when I realized that,
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my job every Sunday is tomend nets and to prepare them
to go fishing.
That's all it is.
And so I saw myself thenas a servant to them,
a co-laborer to them.
It's like we havea bass club, Gene.
We're fishers of men, but wenever put our boat in the water.
We trailer our boats, thisabsurd analogy, but it fits.
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We trailer our boats toour church parking lot
and we talk about fishingand we pray about fishing
and we preach about fishing.
- We wear fishing clothes.
- We wear fishing clothes and wehave the most beautiful
bass boats you ever saw, but wenever put them in the water
because they could hit astump or something.
- Yeah, that's right.
- Well, they'resupposed to hit stumps
and that's supposed to happen.
But we're talking about,is there not a cause?
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So let me ask you, is therenot a cause to save America?
- Yeah.
- Is there not a causeto save our children
from being tormented totrans their gender?
Is there not a cause tosee people not go to hell
and go to heaven?
Is there not a causebigger than ourselves?
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And I think that's a cry today.
That's what youngpeople are looking for.
- Amen.
- If we can give them acause, they'll be there.
- Pray for us, Greg.
- Father, we thank You.
First of all, we repentfor seeking our own
and not the things of God.
And Lord, we willpick up Your cause.
You partnered with us from thevery beginning and You gave men
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a blessing to befruitful and multiply.
You gave us partnerships.
And Lord, we take up the causeof revival in this land.
Lord, let it be me.
Let it be Gene.
Let it be the people that arewatching us right now to light
a fire somewhere across Americathat it burns and takes hold
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of this land.
That we will be the UnitedStates of America and we will
walk in the covenant thatGeorge Washington proclaimed.
You will be our God andwe will be Your people.
May it be so.
In Your name we pray.
Amen.
- Amen and amen.
All right, so listen.
One of the things that youcan do, the partnership.
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You know, Greg, I haven'tdone a good job of this
in all these yearswe've been on.
We haven't really opened thisup for people to come alongside
what we're doing.
Yes, Revival Radio is a program
sponsored by theVictory Channel.
They pay our salariesand everything here.
Well, we wanna pay our own way.
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That's a good word.
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In every generation,there have been revivals,
massive moves of the Spirit
that changed thecourse of history.
In every revival, therewere believers like you
who chose to answer the call
to become the one intheir generation.
Discover your callto be the one
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in your generation.
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Welcome to Revival Radio TV,I'm your host Gene Bailey
here with Greg Stephens.
Welcome back, Greg.
- Thank you.
It's an honor to be here.
- Thanks, Greg. Goodto have you here.
You know, we were talkingabout some things,
and I think this would be agreat program for us to kind
of dive into a little morehistory and a little more
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roots in the cause.
You know, we know thecause for Revival Radio TV,
our scriptures, Genesis 26:18.
Isaac dug again the wells ofwater which had been dug
in the days ofAbraham, his father,
for thePhilistines had stopped them up
after the death of Abraham,and he gave them the names
of which hisfather had called them.
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Now, usually when wego down this path,
when I go down this path,I talk about the fact
that it wasn't easyto build a well.
It wasn't easy to dig a well.
You know, it wasn't likeyou did it this afternoon
and you had a well tomorrow.
You know, it took along time to dig it,
then you had to line it withstones to get clean water.
And so they filledin these wells,
which was shutting down so muchof what, you know, the life,
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the sustenance was the water.
Everything, you know,survived around water
and around these wells.
So talk about the cause.
Is there not a cause?
And relate that back to ushere at Revival Radio TV.
- You know, we seethings on the news.
We see things on FlashPoint.
We hear the headlines.
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We see what'shappening with riots,
whether they're BlackLives Matter or Antifa,
college campuses nowsupporting Hamas.
And you see all of thisstuff and you think, God,
where are you?
And once again, it's becausewe were starting to re-dig
those wells of Revival andthose things from our founders.
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We've talked about theConstitution here
on this program, re-diggingthat well and learning about
where we camefrom.
The Constitutionis a covenant.
It's a compact.
It's a partnershipwhere we, the people,
partner with the peoplewe elect to govern us,
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but not to control us.
And so your partnershipbreaks down
when you no longer havethe same goal.
God started thatwhen he created man,
let us make man in our image.
They made a partnershiptogether to make us.
And then he saw that manwas alone and he said,
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"He can't do what I'masking him to do because
he doesn't have a partner."
So he made Eve.
That was the first partnership.
Now we've seen marriage attack.
And so we want these things.
We pray to God for thesethings, but we haven't realized
that the secret to it all, Ireally believe, is a cause.
That's what we had withour founding fathers.
I would dare say thatmost every Revival,
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there was a cause thatpeople were fasting for.
There was something that theywere meeting every day
and began to pray about.
- Well, you know, asyou're saying that,
I'm thinking aboutthe Welsh Revival.
Listen to this.
Their system ofgovernment was corrupt.
They were in the middle ofan election season
and it was horrible.
The economy was badand crime was up.
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Is any of thissounded familiar yet?
You know, that was the cause.
And in the middleof that, you know,
Evan Roberts and the great WelshRevival is born because
of where they were in thatsection of history.
There was a lot ofdisaster in the economy.
So they were looking to God.
You know, the times were tough.
They startedlooking back to God.
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- Somebody called somebodyinto remembrance.
Somebody said, "Ifwe'll go and seek God,"
if we'll begin to...somebody's re-digging a well
is what they're doing, Gene.
So you see the samething when Jesus is born.
When he came to the earth,there's a Roman government,
occupied Israel iswhat's happening.
You have a King Herod who'snot legitimate sitting
on the throne.
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The priesthood is not legitimatein the order of the priests.
So once again, you've got a mannamed Simeon and a woman named
Anna who were dailyin the temple praying.
So they prayed him in.
They prayed a revival in.
So I think the best example,Ecclesiastes 4:9 says,
"Two are better than one."
When we get together and beginto realize these things,
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and that's why I want to thankyou for doing Revival Radio,
because it's remindingus of where we came from.
There's a story that'sone of my favorites.
When a little boywatching sheep,
his father's name is Jesse.
His name is David.
He sends him on an errand.
He says, David, I want you totake these 10 loaves of bread,
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and I want you totake some corn,
and I want you to take thecheese to their officer
that's over whereyour brothers,
and take it to the front.
Gene, they'd been in battle,one side here and one side here
in a valley between themwith the Philistines
for 40 days in a standoff,nothing happening.
And little David shows upand he rides up there
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and he gives the gifts.
Jesse became a partner rightthen with the Israeli
Defense Forces.
And he brings this and hesends him on an errand,
not knowing that that errandhe ran is going to change
the course of history.
You and I are sittinghere today as Christians,
as believers in Jesus, becauseDavid will kill Goliath that day
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and he'll start the--
- Yeah, and it's interesting.
David didn't know thatwas about to happen.
- No, he had no clue.
- He didn't go with that intent.
- And his brotheraccused him of that.
And he said, "No, I'm not that".
But David makes a statement.
It's in 1 Samuel 17.
He says, "Is there not a cause?"
And he said that to hisbrothers and he said that
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to everybody around them.
And he realized there wassomething different
about this little guy.
There's gotta be a cause.
I'll submit to you and to theaudience with us today
that what we see with youngpeople on college campuses
is they want a cause.
They want somethingto believe in.
That's what theRevolutionary War was about.
That's what people prayingfor revival was about.
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They were believing for a cause.
You can get people torally around a cause
quicker than you can an object.
But if there's acause, you'll fight.
You'll give your sacredhonor, your fortune.
You'll sign a document thatwill label you as a treason,
which our founding fathers did.
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So David asked the simple littlequestion, is there not a cause?
And I'll say to you,I think there is.
Jesus will come and answerthat, the son of David.
He'll say, "Yeah,there is a cause. It's you."
And so we were calledto do what he did.
"Greater things shall you dobecause I go to my Father."
And I think it's vitallyimportant that the body
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of Christ get in a cause.
Now you asked me a long timeago when Revival Radio first
started, what is revival?
And how does revival end?
And I remember I didn't have areally good answer for you
and I've thought about itmany times since then.
Partnership is wehave the same cause.
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We have the same goal.
It breaks down becauseit's relational.
We're relational beings.
God created us to berelational one for another.
It breaks down when we nolonger share the same goal.
So if they can come in andrefill our wells to where
we don't have the samegoal that we once had,
I don't have the goal forAmerica that the founders had.
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I see a different America.
I have a differentgoal for church.
I have a differentgoal for revival.
I'll submit to you thatthat's how revival ends.
When we no longershare the same goals,
when it's no longerabout winning the lost
or seeing signs,wonders, and miracles.
When it becomesabout, okay, well,
while we're in this revivaland things are flowing,
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let's build the new building.
- Well, man has, it seems,especially when we don't...
we haven't seemed to havelearned this lesson
that we want to control it.
We want to steer it.
I think the heart may bepure and like, hey, well,
let's do this becausethat's the way God's moving.
So therefore overnight itbecomes a format or a standard.
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This is the way it'sgoing to work
and this is what'sgoing to happen.
- And it will for a while.
- And it will actually,and you think, well,
this is what we're doing.
- The greatest resistance,
I used to go to thebeach all the time.
I lived in Southern Californiaand I would watch the waves.
I know that sounds likea boring thing to do,
but it was actuallyvery relaxing.
The greatest resistance to anew wave that was coming in
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was the previouswave going out.
And I think that ifwe're not careful,
that's what we'll do in thechurch, in the body of Christ.
- We must open oureyes and see that.
But this cause thing,let's go back to that.
Because I'm thinking of what'sgoing on in America right now
on our college campuses.
You can't help when youlook at some of the video,
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although the quality isbetter now, back in 1968,
it's almost the same look.
If you could equalize,- It's the same source.
- If you could equalize thequality of the footage,
I don't think you would realizeit's any different because
you had at the beginning of1968, everything was great.
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There was a dress code.
Guys wore ties andjackets to class.
By the end, there's long hair,burning in the streets and riots
and free love andeverything had blown up.
And that cause for the war.
And so now we've got this thingwith Palestine versus Israel,
which I gotta say, Greg,is so bizarre to me.
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People inerrantly cometogether for a cause
that they may not even know.
- There's something about agroup and a mob. We're relational.
- And the mob mentality.
- And that's exactlywhat they're doing.
But it's nothing new.
- No, it's not new.
- It's been around sinceRoman days and even before
all the way to theTower of Babel,
if you wanna goback that far.
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It's not a new thing. There'snothing new under the sun.
It's what Solomon wrote.
And the enemy, he onlyhas that one thing.
I mean, that's what he does.
It's deception.
And so he takes deceptionand packages it.
When he said, when Davidsaid to his brother,
is there not a cause?
It was an indictmenton his brother's fear,
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on his lack of faith, on thewrong motive, on being passive.
And while that happened in68, what was right behind it?
We had the Jesus movementhit in the early 70s,
right behind that thing.
Where sin abounds, gracedoes much more bound.
And I would submit toyou, you've seen it
with your very own eyes.
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There are tens of thousandsof young college age,
patriotic kids that are goingto turning point events.
And they're out there.
- They are out there.
And it's almost shocking tous because they don't get
the airplay from themainstream media.
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So you're like, whoa,look at this kid reciting,
eloquently passages ofthe Constitution
and the Declaration ofIndependence.
These are great things.
But you know, going back toDavid, Greg, I've also wondered,
here comes this David, thiskid to the front lines,
who's bold as a lion.
And he comes in there and hewants to know what is going on.
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And you're right, hisbrothers, it was an indictment
on his brothers.
But what abouteverybody else there?
They were all cowering in fear.
They didn't know what to do.
So they're just as agroup, their cause was,
let's be in fear together andlet's stay in protect.
- Well, the comment was made,what happens to the guy
who kills him?
- Yeah, what do I get?
- Yeah, and that'stheir mentality.
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What do I get?
Well, you get to marrythe king's daughter
and no taxes for life andda, da, da, da, da, da, da.
And David didn'tcare about all that.
His thing was, isthere not a cause?
I mean, it's notabout what we get.
It's this guy, these guys aresquatters on Judah's land.
You know, that's whathe was upset about.
And he will speak covenant.
Who is that uncircumcisedPhilistine?
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You know what I mean?
It's just because he hada boldness about him.
Now, the same thing hadhappened when they came
into their promised land.
Remember, they weredelayed for 40 years.
They had to walk in thewilderness because 10 guys
came back with their giants inthe land and walled cities
and were like grasshoppersin their eyes.
And two guys said, "No,we're well able to do this."
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And so that same pattern,see, that's the same pattern.
I will submit this to you.
You can re-dig wellsthat are not good wells.
They're bitter wells.
And that's what we'reseeing play out a lot.
I think that's whatthese men did that day.
They re-dug that bitterwell instead of good wells.
And David is a guywho came and shook...
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There has to be some revivalist,you call it being the one.
There has to be that personthat will come along and just
say something bold andspark you into action.
I think that's whatDavid did that day.
Well, if you're notgonna do it, I'll do it.
They tried to give him armor.
- Yeah, and you're right.
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What we're seeing atAmerica's Ivy League schools,
universities, as well as acrossthe nation is we're seeing
the re-digging ofthe Marxist well
and the socialism wells
that we thought, ourgeneration thought,
man, that'll never happen here.
We'll never go down that pathagain because we were old enough
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to remember, but young enough totake it to the next generation.
We know what happens down there.
And yet here's a wholegeneration frantically digging
the well because thisis the best thing ever.
And it's not, history'sproved it that way.
So yeah, here we are.
So the church is overlaid.
So let's go down this path.
I know you got more notes,but I wanna ask you this.
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The church isoverlaid current day.
And we want the revival.
We want God to show up and wewanna pray and see God move.
How do we do that, Greg?
Because there's alot of good people,
but they've been inchurch the whole time.
They never got outof the building.
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So really, they've become,I submit this to you
that I believe the church, thedevil's been fine with us
being in our four walls.
- Oh, he'll let youhave a megachurch.
- Yeah, even a megachurch,just don't get out of there.
Don't affect your city.
- Don't take it outside.
And I think that'swhere we've messed up.
And if you look at the Jesusmovement, I mentioned it's 71,
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72 in that range.
Where was it?
Baptizing in the ocean,out on the city streets.
It was out in the marketplace.
That's what Jesus ministry was.
It was out in the marketplace.
And we've been asking God todo what he told us to go do
so many times.
And then we wonder, whyis it taking so long?
Why is it not happening?
We didn't realize that Godwill take college professors
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or teachers, he'll takefull-time ministers
and disguise them as collegeprofessors or teachers
and put them in a classroom.
We didn't see thatwhat we do is ministry.
We have ministers andthen the rest of us.
There's been a separation.
- Never really has.
- And that can't be, because thework of the ministry happens
out there, not in the church.
Church is where wecome to mend our nets,
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to get ourselves prepared to goback out into the harvest field.
Jesus said it a long time ago.
Look, the harvestis ready right now.
Pray for laborers.
That's been our problem.
We've not equipped people to goout and be Him in a courtroom,
be Him in a police department,be Him whatever, an astronaut,
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whatever it is.
We've looked for professionalpreachers, if you will.
And then we pray forrevival all the time.
Well, revival usually startedsometimes not by a preacher.
- Yeah, in fact, Seth Joshua,in going back to Wales,
prayed for God to do somethingin Wales and let it not come
through a member of the clergy.
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- Why would he say that?
- Because he knew, infact, there's some...
I don't remember theverbiage, but he said,
because it willbecome tarnished.
It will be manipulated.
It must be pure.
You know, let it come fromsomebody not through the church
so that it will be pure,unadulterated move of God.
- And Jesus willmodel that for us.
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He's not a Levite.
- No, he's not.
- When he was on the earth, hecould not go into the holy place
to the temple wherehis presence was.
He couldn't go in there
because he was of thewrong tribe, right?
He didn't have choice seats inhis own synagogue because
that was for the Pharisees.
And when you thinkof it that way,
his cousin though was a Levite.
And I'll say this to you, whenJesus came to the Jordan River
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that day and John,a Levite priest,
anointed by the Holy Ghost,anointed Jesus from Judah,
the son of David, Lionof the tribe of Judah,
I believe that the anointingchanged because it says
the Holy Spirit descendedon him like a dove.
You know, he wasn't a dove,but it descended like a dove.
That the anointing transferfrom the Levite to Judah
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happened right then.
So we have adifferent priest now.
We have a different covenant.
Each of us, Revelationchapter one, two, three
says are kings and priests.
And we are to gosubdue kingdoms.
We're to go minister to people.
So when the priesthood changed,the anointing changed.
And we haven't taught people.
I'm just going to say,I've been a pastor.
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I was a pastor for 14 years.
We didn't teach people wellenough that it's not about us.
It's about you.
My job is to equip you togo minister to people
that you're cutting their hair.
I told a guy who's a hair guy.
I don't know. Theycall him barber.
I don't know whatyou call him anymore.
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But I said, "You have yourhands on more heads in a week
than I ever will.
I won't lay that many handson heads praying for people,
but you do, and youcan minister to them."
That's what wehaven't taught people.
That changes America, Gene.
That's a revival.
It's not just a revival.
That's a revolution.
- It leads to a reformation.
Of a reformation, exactly.
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One guy got a revelationfrom the Word,
"The just shall live by faith."
And if you read it inthe original Hebrew,
it doesn't say that.
And if you read it inthe original Greek,
it doesn't say, "The justshall live by faith."
It says, "The just byfaith shall live."
I'm justified by faith.
Now I live.
It puts all of thething back on him.
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I'm doing this for him.
It's his faith.
It's not my faith.
It's his faith.
- Explain how we gofrom here, Greg.
How do we get thisin our daily life?
- Amos 3:3 says,
"How can two walk together,excepts they be agreed?"
That means the streams have tocome together into one stream.
How can two walk togetherlest they be agreed?
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So we're not gonna agree onevery single thing, doctrinally.
We're not called to do that.
But we can agree on onething, that Jesus is Lord.
That God is our Father.
That he died, he rose.
I'm crucified with him.
I was buried with him.
I rose with him. I'mseated with him.
And I reign with him in life.
So we can agree on that.
It says, "People perishfor a lack of knowledge."
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We've gotta teachpeople these things.
God elects humans aspartners in implementing
his plan on the earth.
That was his choicefrom the beginning.
And we've gotta see thatI am called to do that.
Now, I'm called to dothat as a news anchor.
I'm called to dothat as a teacher.
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I'm called to implement hisplan as a college professor.
I'm called toimplement his plan.
We used to think only preachers,only pastors, evangelists,
missionaries, those are theonly people called of God.
- Oh yeah.
And the rest of us, wejust have to support them.
- And the singing guy.
And the rest of you giveso they can do that.
Well, that goes backto the Levitical way.
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Levites never receivedan inheritance
in their promised land.
The rest of the tribesprovided for the Levites.
That's where we got that system.
But that's an old covenant way.
And it's the way it worked,that's the way God set it up
for that purpose.
And they lived in the cities andthey would bring the presence
of God back to the peoplebecause the people,
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when they came withMoses to Mount Sinai,
they backed awayfrom the presence.
They go, "No, no, no, no,you represent us now."
So God said, "Okay,I'm gonna give you,
we'll do Aaron right there.
And his sons willalways be those people
that will represent me to you."
And so they would gowork in the temple.
They would go back to theircities and they would bring
the presence back to themand the anointing back.
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But that all changedwith the new priesthood.
We've never realizedthat that changed.
We still have tried to liveby that Levitical method
in a new covenant, but wehave a new covenant.
So God elects humans as partnersin implementing his divine plan
on the earth, illustrating thatGod values a collaboration
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and a joint effort.
We are co-labors with him.
We're joint heirs with him.
Jesus said, "Greaterwork shall you do."
It was His plan thatthe disciples' church
would be bigger than His.
- Wow, Greg, but you andI both know that
you're getting into a lotof where people live
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and that we've seen it.
We've seen a lot of jealousyin the church and churches
between against each other.
And everybody will agreewith what you just said.
The streams of ministry.
Yeah, absolutely.
I can walk with you, butthen I have to walk it out.
- If you really want revival,
if you're really serious,
then you won't care.
- And that's my cause.
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That's why this program is here.
If you really want a revival,nothing can keep you from it.
If you really want it.
- No, he wants more revivalmore than we want revival
most of the time.
- It's almost like we're at aMartin Luther 95 thesis again,
time in history where we've gotto have somebody that goes,
no, this is not right.
Because we've lived.
I remember hearinga long time ago,
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pastors saying,
"Church was never meant tobe a bus terminal.
It's meant to be a bus station."
You come in, you get recharged.
You go back out.- That's right.
- It's not supposed to bewhere you just go and park
and you stay there.
But that has to take somematurity at every level.
At every level of parishioneras pastor, as teacher,
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all of those things have tounderstand their place
and not diminish the other one.
- When Jesus wascalling the disciples,
he was walking down the shore ofGalilee and he sees fishermen
who fished all night andthey have caught nothing.
And they're mending their nets.
They're tired.
Listen, if you've worked allnight and you didn't catch
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anything and you didn'tbring a paycheck home today
and you got to go back outtonight and do the same thing
because they fished at nightbecause of the braided line.
We'll do the nets later.
We didn't break thenets in any way.
So we'll do the nets later.
We'll come back earlyand do the nets.
Let's go sleep.
They didn't dothat. They stayed.
Jesus saw somethingin those guys.
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The same word in the originallanguage for mending the nets
is the same wordover in Ephesians
for equipping the saints.
It's the same Greek word.
My job, if I am anunder-shepherd as a pastor
of the great Shepherd Jesus,
my job is to look for people
who will mend nets to go fish.
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And Jesus, what'dhe say to them?
I'm going to makeyou fishers of men.
He partnered with them.
Now it's going to takethree years before
they start catching men.
But he's now training peoplethat he saw would be diligent
to mend the nets even thoughthey hadn't caught anything.
My job at the church,when I realized that,
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my job every Sunday is tomend nets and to prepare them
to go fishing.
That's all it is.
And so I saw myself thenas a servant to them,
a co-laborer to them.
It's like we havea bass club, Gene.
We're fishers of men, but wenever put our boat in the water.
We trailer our boats, thisabsurd analogy, but it fits.
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We trailer our boats toour church parking lot
and we talk about fishingand we pray about fishing
and we preach about fishing.
- We wear fishing clothes.
- We wear fishing clothes and wehave the most beautiful
bass boats you ever saw, but wenever put them in the water
because they could hit astump or something.
- Yeah, that's right.
- Well, they'resupposed to hit stumps
and that's supposed to happen.
But we're talking about,is there not a cause?
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So let me ask you, is therenot a cause to save America?
- Yeah.
- Is there not a causeto save our children
from being tormented totrans their gender?
Is there not a cause tosee people not go to hell
and go to heaven?
Is there not a causebigger than ourselves?
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And I think that's a cry today.
That's what youngpeople are looking for.
- Amen.
- If we can give them acause, they'll be there.
- Pray for us, Greg.
- Father, we thank You.
First of all, we repentfor seeking our own
and not the things of God.
And Lord, we willpick up Your cause.
You partnered with us from thevery beginning and You gave men
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a blessing to befruitful and multiply.
You gave us partnerships.
And Lord, we take up the causeof revival in this land.
Lord, let it be me.
Let it be Gene.
Let it be the people that arewatching us right now to light
a fire somewhere across Americathat it burns and takes hold
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of this land.
That we will be the UnitedStates of America and we will
walk in the covenant thatGeorge Washington proclaimed.
You will be our God andwe will be Your people.
May it be so.
In Your name we pray.
Amen.
- Amen and amen.
All right, so listen.
One of the things that youcan do, the partnership.
(26:52):
You know, Greg, I haven'tdone a good job of this
in all these yearswe've been on.
We haven't really opened thisup for people to come alongside
what we're doing.
Yes, Revival Radio is a program
sponsored by theVictory Channel.
They pay our salariesand everything here.
Well, we wanna pay our own way.
And the costs that are incurredwill be a blessing back
to the Victory Channel andBrother Copeland and KCM.
(27:14):
So if you wouldlike to be a part
and with your financialdonation,
it's very, very simple.
If you wanna mail a check,
just simply make it out
to Revival Radio, FortWorth, Texas.
Send it in the mail toRevival Radio,
Fort Worth, Texas, 76192,
that's all the address you need.
If you wanna text your gift,
just text it to 36609
(27:36):
with the code RRTV
and the dollar amount andwe'll get it.
And of course,
if you'd like to pick up thephone and call,
you can just call 877-281-6297
and tell them,
I wanna make a donation
to help Revival Radio TV
stay on the air and be a part,
not just stay on the air,
but to continue to expand
and continue to see God
(27:58):
do something in this world.
And of course, youcan always go online.
If you wanna use the website,
go to govictory.com/RRTV.
It's right there on your screen.
Thank you, Greg, forcoming here today.
That's a good word.
Let's be the partnersthat we need to be
and let's see God dosomething amazing.
Revival is here.
♪
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