April 25, 2025 • 28 mins
Everyone talks about revival—but what does it really mean? In this eye-opening episode of Revival Radio TV, Dr. Gene Bailey sits down with Pastor Greg Stephens to unpack the heart of revival, how it's often misunderstood, and why it’s more than just a church service or emotional moment.
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In everygeneration there have been revivals,
massive moves of the spirit
that changed the course of history.
In every revival,there were believers like you
who chose to answer the call
to become the one in their generation.
Discover your call to be the one
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in your generation.
Welcome to Revival Radio TV.
I'm Gene Bailey and back with me, PastorGreg Stephens.
Good to see you, sir.
Good to see you.That's all from the news.
And you know all that you do.
And teaching in the school.
I mean, you got it.You're pretty busy, guy.
I try to stay busy. Yeah.
Keep you out of trouble.
Well, I don't know about that, but.
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All right, so we're going to talk.
This is youand I talk a lot of off the, off
camera, and we, you know, run things by,and we talk about revival.
And, you know,I always ask people, Greg, about revival.
What is revival? And everybody alwayshas a different answer.
So let me start with you.
What is what is in your in your mind?
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What is revival?
I used to think it wasI used to say I've met
and I've said this statementto you, revival begins
when you hear something from God you'venever heard before and you liked it.
Revival endswhen you hear something from God
that you've never heard beforeand you didn't like it.
It's it's but truehistorical revival, in my opinion,
is it's it changes a community even.
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It's not just about you personally,
but it literally changesthe community that you live in.
Reformation. Exactly. Yeah.
And I started studying thisa little earlier,
and I think somebody said this statement,and if you said it and I heard you say
it, I don't I don't remember who said it,but I'm going to say it.
EverywhereJesus went, there was a revival.
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Yes. And a riot.
And a riot, dependingon which side of the street you were on,
whether you were in cooperation with itor resisting it.
You know, we,we had Pastor John Kilpatrick on here
a few years ago, and we were talkingabout Pensacola revival.
Yeah.
And, he basically saidexactly what he talked about.
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What happenedthere made great moves of God.
And but it was messy.
But as through history, any timeyou saw a revival, it was big mess.
All the way around to everything from,you know, the,
the paper products in the bathroompeople were using,
you know, and you'd have things break down
and the carpet would wear outbecause you have so many.
I mean,but there's also the whole lot of people.
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There's this video that weshowed or I've shown before
that that Sunday in Pensacola,
where there's a point where Steve,
says something, you know, he's
calling people downand he says, that's it.
People come out Steve Hill, that's it.
People come down here.
This is what we've been praying for.
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And so there's this mass move,and there's this one camera in the back.
And, you see all these peoplego to the, to the altar, but you also see
these four other peoplestand up and walk out the door.
And I thought, that is revival.
Yeah. A great outpouring,a great departure
because they were like,it was Father's Day.
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I'm sure they were good people.
And they decided, well,we're going to go to lunch.
You hear so many people want fire.I want the fire.
God, but you've got a riskand but you can't control that.
No, pastors want don't want wildfire.
I want it on wildfire. Watch. What?All right.
We talk about that.
So we explain what you meanwhen you say, well, I mean, because
it's kind of things.
Things.
Unusual things will happen.
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I mean, people who aredemonically oppressed will get delivered,
start manifesting.
It's it's it's it can get messy.
I remember working for a ministrymany years ago over in Dallas, Texas,
and they had a Bible schooland in the Bible school chapel that day.
It's like this hush came
and they just worshipand and there was no more classes.
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And it went that way for days.
You know what we saw with Asbury? Yep.
Here in the United States,just what we're seeing at Texas A&M,
where there's just happeningand people are getting
baptized in water in the fountain,just whatever they can do.
And here's the deal.
Nobody's leading it, you know?
No, no church,no evangelist. Just come in.
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And I think we've cheapened revival in ain in regards
to this Gene that we've shed called them.
Oh yeah.
We're going to have a revival
and it's going to be April the 22nd,and it'll last 2 or 3 nights or two weeks.
Two weeks.We really want to get serious about it.
Yeah, yeah.But it's a three night revival, you know.
And I think that we've, we've cheapenedwhat revival actually is to where
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if you ask that questionto a lot of people,
they give you so many different answers.
Well, where I lived in Georgia,
it was where my father grew up,and it was a methodist church.
You know, I'm by no meansknocking the Methodist church,
but they had a campground,the Methodist campground there.
And revivalwas every summer for two weeks.
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And there was these little,they call them cottages, but they were
they weren'ttents and they weren't houses.
And some of them were
actually had wooden walls and everything,but they have sawdust floor.
Right.
So they were whateveryou want to call that.
And, everybody would come to send for two weeks
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and they would have guest minister
speak in the, it wasn't a tent anymore.
It was like a big wooden structure,but it sides were open.
It looked like a tent,but it was a wooden pavilion, I guess.
And,
they would
preach for two weeks and everybodygo home and talk about how great it was.
My grandfather and that.
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But that was there was no.
Yeah, signs and wonders.
It was justwe just moved church outside. Right.
My my grandfather got saved withhis brothers.
There were 13 children in that family.
They moved from Tennessee to Oklahoma,and he went to a brush arbor meeting.
Oh, yeah.
And they were actually makingfun of people at the brush Arbor meeting.
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That's what the and the boys were doingand throwing rocks and stuff like that.
And he got saved one night.
And when he got saved yet
filled with the Holy Spirit, they neverthey were good Baptists.
They had never heardanything of any of this.
And he became a revivalist.
I mean,I remember hearing stories of him where
he was.
He was preaching at a placesome kind of Creek revival.
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They all had names like that.
Yeah.
And, a little fireball fell.
Yeah. And hit the altar.
I mean, everybody saw it,and every saint in the place was slain,
and every sinner came running forward,you know, to get saved.
But so he would tell stories about thingslike that.
And I'm like, I've never seen any of this.
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Yeah.
And why do we not see that?
He you know, I don't know.
And I think maybe it's maybe wewe don't have faith for it.
Maybe we don't understand what faithfor that is.
Maybe we don't understandthe dedication it took
for the peopleto to do those kind of meetings.
Well, and let's in yourthat brings up another point.
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We don't have that sort ofyou said dedication
commitment level isn'tyou know, we were busy.
We would bombard gates of heavenwhen the heaven's gates were wide open.
And so we, you know, there was a lotof misdirection or not misdirection, false
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things, but yet God still showed up.
Because He honors His word. Yeah.
He doesn't honor the person.
There were revivalist and healing people, healing ministers
during the great healing move. Yeah.
That had
pretty bad stuff in their,in their personal life.
But isn't that the way it's always isI think so I mean, not
I'm not saying everybody's got bad stuff,but I mean, none of us are perfect.
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So God didn't honorthe actions that that man or woman,
he honored his word, the giftsand callings and, and and the people that
were putting a demand on that, you know,and so that's a flawed
human up there, that'sthat's leading or hosting this meeting.
Do you think that's the whole pointthat we've messed up
is that we've startedlooking to men as stars or celebrities?
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Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt.
So then that then then we're rocked.
When we found outthey're not Jesus resisted that.
Yeah.
When they wanted to make him thisor make him that,
he would always pull awayand withdraw from the crowd.
I'll give you an example of messiness.
When he went across the Sea of Galileeand he gets to there
and he meets the mad men in that areathere who had the legion of demons in him.
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That was messy. Sure was.
And the pigs went into theor the demons went into the pigs.
Remember this.
And he wants to go with Jesus.
He says, no,you go back to your town and show them.
The people of that towndidn't want Jesus around there.
That was the riot part of a revival. Yeah.
You know, the pigs were part of the riot,the revival.
So in the front about the farmerwith the pigs, who's going what did I do?
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, no,
the thing is,
if you know a little bit about historythere, and I know Revival Radio
teaches history,if you know anything about history,
that was a large part of wherethe Roman legions were, were based.
That was food supply.
And so this is why they got andthey were concerned because now all of the
all of the food, the prosciutto just ranto the, into the Sea of Galilee, you know.
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So I think that was probablyeconomic was probably part of it.
But maybe that's something that happenswith us too.
It's an inconvenience to to our job orto our economy, you know, and a revival.
Revival cost something,you know, to keep the building open.
And I remember a revival when I was a kidthat lasted an entire summer.
It transformed my father and our familyand the direction of my life had it.
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And tell me about that.
What happened?
We were good little Pentecostal people.
We do our little three point sermons,
and we would goand we we preach on what we don't do.
But we actually startedwe went to this meeting at a larger
would have been a megachurch, you know,and that standard,
Assembly of God Church called FaithTabernacle is a homeless city.
And this evangelist that come in thereand they extended and they kept extending
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and kept extending to the pointthat the local news Gene started
showing up at the meetings becauseso many things were were happening.
Council members
were coming in and getting healed,and there was healings happening.
And the local news guy was there.
I mean, people were coveringwhat is happening at this church.
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And so it transformed a city.
It wasn't just a series of meetings.
It literally was making an impact.
It was in Oklahoma City, in Oklahoma City.
And I rememberit made an impact on our family
because for the first time,you saw a miracle happen, you know?
Whoa.
And you, you sensed a presencethat you didn't sense on Sunday mornings.
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This was a
the guy who was was the evangelistfor that knew how to host the Holy Spirit.
And I think that made a difference.
Jesus went to places with peoplewho knew how to host the Holy Spirit.
I think that's where we've lost it.
I think so why have we done that?
How have we?
How have we forgotten to host,how to host his presence?
Do you and I talk about this only here,which you.
Jesus, never stayed in Jerusalem
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for much.
I mean that we we have a record of.
He stayed with Lazarus and Mary Marthaat their house
in Bethany, just a few miles awayfrom the suburbs of Jerusalem.
They knew how to host him.
David knewhow to host the presence of God.
He did its entire reignwhen he moved the ark out from a building,
and he made a tabernacle outside,and Jew and Gentile alike
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could get into the presence of God.
You couldn't touch the ark,but you could chat.
You could sit in the shadow of the arkand the wings of the Almighty.
You know,that's where those songs came from.
It's about an openness
to his presence and about an interruption.
Every miracle Jesus did,
for the
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most part,was an interruption to his schedule.
And I think that's our problemin churches in general.
We don't allow an interruptionto the schedule.
Let me take a step back,and then I want to get to your point.
There are some big churches that have likethree services on a Sunday, right?
They have like a 9:00 at 1030and a, you know, a 1230.
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Well, you got to get this group outto get in the parking lots, got to empty
so the next group can get in.
And so there's, you know,if you don't end on time,
you have a mess in your parking lot.
And it seems to me
that sometimes not not every churchthat has three services
does this, but sometimes thatseems to be the very thing
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that doesn'tallow the Holy Spirit to move,
because we gotta clean out the parking lotto get the next group in here.
How sad is that?
It is that we, we reducewhat the Holy Spirit's
doing down to clearing out the parking lotin time for the next service
because we, you know, we've got a buildingprogram and we got, we got to raise,
we got to get some funds in here,you know, tithes.
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And I'm really talkingtithes and offerings.
You know, and I'm not sayingevery megachurch does that,
but if we're not careful,even our own lives, we can impart
a control over what God's doingbecause we have our own ideas.
I know that the Holy Spiritdoes everything decently in order,
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so he knows the time constraints.
Yeah, and situationsthat we have in a church service.
I found because we had multiple servicesin California
where we were at at the church out there,and I found that,
the greatest moves happenedin that later one.
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And we actually made room for that.
Yeah. Now,there were times that things happened.
Here's here's the deal.
There were times that things happenedin that earlier service.
And you've got to be I learned
that you got a thankful for BrotherHagan on this.
I learned that, okay, I don't need topreach this message to this group in here.
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Let's just go with thisfor the remainder of this hour.
Yeah.
And then that's being willing
to just back up and say, sir,you have your way in this.
But a lot of timeswe don't realize the greatest miracle is,
that you've everexperienced was salvation.
Sure.We don't even do that anymore much, Gene.
Yeah.
That's the greatest miracle.
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Everything behind that is the simple.
Yeah, easy compared to that. But
some peopledon't think you have to move of God today.
If if.
Well, just a couple of people got to say,you know, that was a great move of God I.
Yeah.
But the deal is, ishe does everything decently in order,
but we have to be available to him to,
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to let him do what he wants to do.
We can't control the Spirit of God.
Let's say you and Iare the Ark of the covenant right now.
This is the mercy seat.
The Spirit of God would hover betweenthe two seraphim,
meaning that neither one of us control it.
It says that he is in the midst of us.
If any two of you agree togethertouching anything, he is in the.
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He's in the middle of this, meaning Genedoesn't control him, and I don't control.
Yeah.
And it says the spirit wills.
I think we've kind of lost that
in that.
I'm still in love.
I'm so in love with my notesand my message.
Yeah, that I have to get my notes out.
We can become so civilized
that we we format the Holy Spiritright out of this.
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Well, like I said while ago, Jesuswas interrupted on most of the miracles
he was headed somewhere else.
That was part of the schedule I can't find
this is a little sarcasticand I repent if I offend anybody.
I can't find where Jesus in his disciples
and found that woman
with the issue of blood and said,now he's going to land at the boat
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at about one, about 105, he'll greetsome of the Pharisees at the shore.
He's going to come up here pastPeter's house on his way to the synagogue.
Jairus will be with him.
If you could stand about hereat about 115, about 120, he'll pass by.
You'll have a chance to touch him.
It seems
we'vegrown so massively in church in America.
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We we've had greater revelation.
Let's talk about just,you know, here on the Victory Channel
when, Brother Hagan,as you know, you worked with him
the revelation and Brother Copelandand the revelation
and what we've learned about loveand about faith.
And you're like, whoa.And you get all of that.
There's been in the church as a whole,there's been a greater revelation
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that we've walked into.
But in the midst of this greaterrevelation,
we seem to have lost a lot
the other side of it, you know,
and this is I've been in churches
where there's been so much wordpreached, there's no room for Holy Spirit.
And and that's just as wrong as allHoly Spirit in.
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Right. Never mind.
You don't understandthe biblical foundation.
So let me tell you, behind the sceneswith Brother Hagan.
Yeah, here's what would happenon every single night of a meeting
that he would have or camp meeting,
or, winter Bible, any of the big eventsthat they had or services
that he was only the singing teamand video
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I was part of thatwe would get together before service.
We had pre-service, we would go over,we had a print it up
kind of what was going to do.
They're going to sing this, we'regoing to do this, we're going to do that.
And it was all printed up.
We knew what we were going to do,but here's what we did.
We prayed for the Holy Spirit
before that, an hour or so before
we would pray together as a team.
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You know whatthe Lord wants to do in this meeting?
What what you want said what you want song
and Brother Hagan would be doingthe same thing at the same time.
Maybe not with us, sometimes with us, but
we would pray about knowingthat everything's written down.
But this is going to go out the window.
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If all of a sudden Brother Hagan says,
I think we ought to sing something else,I think this ought to happen right here.
Hey, come up here.I think you've got the word for it.
He was so willing to to do thatthat we learned.
Yes, we've got a formatand this is a plan.
But at any given second,
if the Lord wants to heal somebody,we're not going to stop him
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from doing thatbecause it's not the time for that.
That's what they did with Jesus.
You can't heal on the Sabbathin the synagogue.
And just to show them, he would healon the Sabbath in the synagogue,
just to just to see what they would do,because he would know what they would do.
And those are manmade rulesthat have limited the Spirit of God.
And I submit that we have thosesame kind of traditions that have limited
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the Spirit of God.
I, it's a corporation gene.
And I don't mean thatI know that sounds so cold and calloused,
but once you start down
the path of, we've got to raisea certain amount of money every year
and this and that and the otherand do this, then that becomes the driver.
Yeah, if you will, for the minister.
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And they don't intend to be that way.That's not the way.
That's not why they went to Bible school.Sure.
It's not why the church was formed.
That's not how this church was birthed.
But sadly,that became the reality in the end.
And I think a revival would look like
for that church,a revival for that church would look like,
we're not going to go.
We're not going to be concernedabout how the money comes in.
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Or do
you think we're going to be concernedmostly about you pointing people to you?
It's all about you see, Gene, here'sthe deal.
It's his faith.
It's his righteousness.
It's his blood. It's his name.
It's his body. Right?
And not me.
It's not about us.
The, you know, I was you were talking.
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I was thinking about the Azusaof street revival.
And we love to talk about the signs,wonders and miracles.
And they were wonderful.
But let's in the natural look,we have a black man
son of, you know, he's blind in one eye.
The son of a sharecropper comesacross, goes to the west coast,
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and he goes to a churchto preach and teach on something.
He does not have the revelationof in his own
body. Yet he doesn't.
He doesn't speak in tongues yet,but he knows this.
So he gets there.
The church is locked.
It's chained because they don't want him.
Somebody got to him.
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The heresy hunter got to him and said,hey, don't let you know he's not going.
So but and then we know what
happens on Bonnie Brae Street and thingsstart flowing in the middle of that.
There were other you got Charles Parham,you got some other ministers
who that gotlittle jealous of what was going on.
And started the messy part, got involved.
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And this is not a knock on anybody.
But there was this didn't all flow well.
And in the middle of all of this,
the great earthquake of 1906happens in Calcutta. Right?
So you've got disaster,disaster happening.
This was not the picture
perfect revival that we like to think ofbecause of what was going on
naturally, the physically, the,the great earthquake here
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where so many people died.
You've got a lot of death around youand you got a lot of destruction,
but you've got signs and wondersand miracles and healings
and the revelation of the baptism,the submit.
That's why you have signs and wondersand miracles
because ofwhat's happening in the natural.
Do you think is when we have thatin the natural that we're more open to it
or more desperate? Is that it?
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I think so, I think you realize maybe
in the earthquake in particular,you realize your humanity.
Well, I can tell you just from, you know,I lived in Southern California
for a while, and every time a rolling,
I learned very quickly determiningwhich type of earthquake
you're going through, the rockor a roller, you know, and so
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and but the first time I went through one,you know, we were in a restaurant and,
and the guys that have lived in Californiaall their lives just continue eating.
You maybe grab their water glassand pull it back over, you know.
But the ones that are just they're going,what's going on?
You know, they're diving under the tables,you know, but you,
you start being familiarwith what's going on and.
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Oh, that's good.
And then when that'shappening, you can miss,
you can
not be prepared because you go, oh, well,that's just we've seen this before.
Governmentsays in the United States on the secular
level,never waste a good disaster or crisis.
Yeah. Rob Emmanuel said that. Right.
No crisis, go to waste.
That's it.
Don't let a good crisis go to waste.
And they do that.
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Why haven't we learned that the church,
when there's a when there's a crisis
that happens,why aren't we the hands and feet of Jesus?
Why aren't we the ones on the scene now?
Some are unaware.
Samaritan's Purse and and differentorganization and Operation Blessing.
There are people on the ground. But.
But why are local churches?
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I remember the fires in San Diego.
Our church became a zoo.
We had a our parking lot was full of horsetrailers that came out of the mountains
to get all their horses out.
We had people sleeping allover the building.
Because
the city asked me, hey, we need help.
You've got the biggest parking lotright here on this, on this highway.
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And I remember, I remember one of ourour leader said, oh,
you think that's a good idea?
We just we just re carpeted all that.
We just redid all of that. Here it is.
There it is.
And I remember saying,no, let's open it up.
Let's open it up. Yeah.
And I think that's maybe in some wayswhere we miss it
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in the factthat, well, what who who are these people?
What are they going to be doing here?We're where we are. Put them.
Where are the bathroom?How is this going to work?
You know, showersand all that kind of thing.
Yeah, we'll worry about that later.
Right now, we need to feed these peoplelike Jesus did.
What do we have?
Maybe that's the answer. What do we have?
And he says, well,we got this little kids lunch here.
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That'll work.
Well, and maybe we need to look at Gene.
What did we have?What does your church have?
What do you have for your neighbors?
Yeah, that are in need or in crisis.
I'm telling you, those fires and in LAand I'm sure there were churches
that they got involved.
Oh yeah.
Cheyenne and others.
But yeah,but and dream centers doing a big relief.
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That's that was the perfect opportunity
to minister to people in a time of need,you know, two hands in front of Jesus,
like you said exactly thatbecause we're his body, right?
Right.
And it's one thing to tell himyou love him.
It's another thing to tell himyou love them and actually love them,
you know,and not want something from them.
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You know, we're going to talk aboutin the next show.
We're about out of time.
But I want to talk about relationshipand faith and how that works together.
But what you just said aboutthe fires is an example.
When we reach out
as the hands and feet of Jesus,as people that need help,
and we're offering to help,we actually foster a relationship.
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You're hungry. Here's something to eat.
You know, you need to.
He did. That's what he did.
And that opens the doorfor the of the gospel.
You know, we've been,
we've been trained, a lot of us that are older and like the,
the the Emmaus road or the Jesus Road,and this is how you do it.
And when people and the evangelismexplosion I went through that
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these 11 steps, you know, and you justit became a formula.
It became a formulainstead of a relationship.
So maybe that's a revival, maybe helping
my neighborwho's washing machine broke or whatever.
Maybe that's a revival.
That's right.
Let me tell you a quick story about that.
So I put
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in a really big generator at my house,
and I have an obviously a neighboron each side of me.
Well, recentlypower went out and our whole neighborhood,
and, my generator kicked on.
So it's real obvious who has power,
because, I mean, this engine's runningand all the lights are on, and.
But I knew
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they've got a freezer.
So I reached out and said,you know, Terry, let them know.
Run a extension cord over here.
We can plug in and keep their food cold.
That I mean, it was like,oh my gosh, thank you so much.
And you didn't tell them love.
You show them love. Yeah.
And Timothy Paul writes this.
It says in the last days.
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Yeah perilous or hard times will come.
And and because menwill be lovers of self.
And he goes on the other thing.
Selfish number one thing he said
he didn't say you couldyou could confess away hard times.
He said,hard times will come. That's right.
And the number onereal deal is selfishness.
Gene, if I selfish,this is about not giving money.
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It can be if I withholdwhat I have the power to give.
That's right.I open the door to hard times
and go.
All right, we're out of time.
Thank you for joining us today. Greg.You come back next week, I'll be here.
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Welcome to Revival Radio TV.
I'm Gene Bailey and back with me, PastorGreg Stephens.
Good to see you, sir.
Good to see you.That's all from the news.
And you know all that you do.
And teaching in the school.
I mean, you got it.You're pretty busy, guy.
I try to stay busy. Yeah.
Keep you out of trouble.
Well, I don't know about that, but.
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All right, so we're going to talk.
This is youand I talk a lot of off the, off
camera, and we, you know, run things by,and we talk about revival.
And, you know,I always ask people, Greg, about revival.
What is revival? And everybody alwayshas a different answer.
So let me start with you.
What is what is in your in your mind?
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What is revival?
I used to think it wasI used to say I've met
and I've said this statementto you, revival begins
when you hear something from God you'venever heard before and you liked it.
Revival endswhen you hear something from God
that you've never heard beforeand you didn't like it.
It's it's but truehistorical revival, in my opinion,
is it's it changes a community even.
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It's not just about you personally,
but it literally changesthe community that you live in.
Reformation. Exactly. Yeah.
And I started studying thisa little earlier,
and I think somebody said this statement,and if you said it and I heard you say
it, I don't I don't remember who said it,but I'm going to say it.
EverywhereJesus went, there was a revival.
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Yes. And a riot.
And a riot, dependingon which side of the street you were on,
whether you were in cooperation with itor resisting it.
You know, we,we had Pastor John Kilpatrick on here
a few years ago, and we were talkingabout Pensacola revival.
Yeah.
And, he basically saidexactly what he talked about.
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What happenedthere made great moves of God.
And but it was messy.
But as through history, any timeyou saw a revival, it was big mess.
All the way around to everything from,you know, the,
the paper products in the bathroompeople were using,
you know, and you'd have things break down
and the carpet would wear outbecause you have so many.
I mean,but there's also the whole lot of people.
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There's this video that weshowed or I've shown before
that that Sunday in Pensacola,
where there's a point where Steve,
says something, you know, he's
calling people downand he says, that's it.
People come out Steve Hill, that's it.
People come down here.
This is what we've been praying for.
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And so there's this mass move,and there's this one camera in the back.
And, you see all these peoplego to the, to the altar, but you also see
these four other peoplestand up and walk out the door.
And I thought, that is revival.
Yeah. A great outpouring,a great departure
because they were like,it was Father's Day.
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I'm sure they were good people.
And they decided, well,we're going to go to lunch.
You hear so many people want fire.I want the fire.
God, but you've got a riskand but you can't control that.
No, pastors want don't want wildfire.
I want it on wildfire. Watch. What?All right.
We talk about that.
So we explain what you meanwhen you say, well, I mean, because
it's kind of things.
Things.
Unusual things will happen.
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I mean, people who aredemonically oppressed will get delivered,
start manifesting.
It's it's it's it can get messy.
I remember working for a ministrymany years ago over in Dallas, Texas,
and they had a Bible schooland in the Bible school chapel that day.
It's like this hush came
and they just worshipand and there was no more classes.
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And it went that way for days.
You know what we saw with Asbury? Yep.
Here in the United States,just what we're seeing at Texas A&M,
where there's just happeningand people are getting
baptized in water in the fountain,just whatever they can do.
And here's the deal.
Nobody's leading it, you know?
No, no church,no evangelist. Just come in.
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And I think we've cheapened revival in ain in regards
to this Gene that we've shed called them.
Oh yeah.
We're going to have a revival
and it's going to be April the 22nd,and it'll last 2 or 3 nights or two weeks.
Two weeks.We really want to get serious about it.
Yeah, yeah.But it's a three night revival, you know.
And I think that we've, we've cheapenedwhat revival actually is to where
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if you ask that questionto a lot of people,
they give you so many different answers.
Well, where I lived in Georgia,
it was where my father grew up,and it was a methodist church.
You know, I'm by no meansknocking the Methodist church,
but they had a campground,the Methodist campground there.
And revivalwas every summer for two weeks.
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And there was these little,they call them cottages, but they were
they weren'ttents and they weren't houses.
And some of them were
actually had wooden walls and everything,but they have sawdust floor.
Right.
So they were whateveryou want to call that.
And, everybody would come to send for two weeks
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and they would have guest minister
speak in the, it wasn't a tent anymore.
It was like a big wooden structure,but it sides were open.
It looked like a tent,but it was a wooden pavilion, I guess.
And,
they would
preach for two weeks and everybodygo home and talk about how great it was.
My grandfather and that.
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But that was there was no.
Yeah, signs and wonders.
It was justwe just moved church outside. Right.
My my grandfather got saved withhis brothers.
There were 13 children in that family.
They moved from Tennessee to Oklahoma,and he went to a brush arbor meeting.
Oh, yeah.
And they were actually makingfun of people at the brush Arbor meeting.
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That's what the and the boys were doingand throwing rocks and stuff like that.
And he got saved one night.
And when he got saved yet
filled with the Holy Spirit, they neverthey were good Baptists.
They had never heardanything of any of this.
And he became a revivalist.
I mean,I remember hearing stories of him where
he was.
He was preaching at a placesome kind of Creek revival.
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They all had names like that.
Yeah.
And, a little fireball fell.
Yeah. And hit the altar.
I mean, everybody saw it,and every saint in the place was slain,
and every sinner came running forward,you know, to get saved.
But so he would tell stories about thingslike that.
And I'm like, I've never seen any of this.
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Yeah.
And why do we not see that?
He you know, I don't know.
And I think maybe it's maybe wewe don't have faith for it.
Maybe we don't understand what faithfor that is.
Maybe we don't understandthe dedication it took
for the peopleto to do those kind of meetings.
Well, and let's in yourthat brings up another point.
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We don't have that sort ofyou said dedication
commitment level isn'tyou know, we were busy.
We would bombard gates of heavenwhen the heaven's gates were wide open.
And so we, you know, there was a lotof misdirection or not misdirection, false
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things, but yet God still showed up.
Because He honors His word. Yeah.
He doesn't honor the person.
There were revivalist and healing people, healing ministers
during the great healing move. Yeah.
That had
pretty bad stuff in their,in their personal life.
But isn't that the way it's always isI think so I mean, not
I'm not saying everybody's got bad stuff,but I mean, none of us are perfect.
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So God didn't honorthe actions that that man or woman,
he honored his word, the giftsand callings and, and and the people that
were putting a demand on that, you know,and so that's a flawed
human up there, that'sthat's leading or hosting this meeting.
Do you think that's the whole pointthat we've messed up
is that we've startedlooking to men as stars or celebrities?
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Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt.
So then that then then we're rocked.
When we found outthey're not Jesus resisted that.
Yeah.
When they wanted to make him thisor make him that,
he would always pull awayand withdraw from the crowd.
I'll give you an example of messiness.
When he went across the Sea of Galileeand he gets to there
and he meets the mad men in that areathere who had the legion of demons in him.
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That was messy. Sure was.
And the pigs went into theor the demons went into the pigs.
Remember this.
And he wants to go with Jesus.
He says, no,you go back to your town and show them.
The people of that towndidn't want Jesus around there.
That was the riot part of a revival. Yeah.
You know, the pigs were part of the riot,the revival.
So in the front about the farmerwith the pigs, who's going what did I do?
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, no,
the thing is,
if you know a little bit about historythere, and I know Revival Radio
teaches history,if you know anything about history,
that was a large part of wherethe Roman legions were, were based.
That was food supply.
And so this is why they got andthey were concerned because now all of the
all of the food, the prosciutto just ranto the, into the Sea of Galilee, you know.
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So I think that was probablyeconomic was probably part of it.
But maybe that's something that happenswith us too.
It's an inconvenience to to our job orto our economy, you know, and a revival.
Revival cost something,you know, to keep the building open.
And I remember a revival when I was a kidthat lasted an entire summer.
It transformed my father and our familyand the direction of my life had it.
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And tell me about that.
What happened?
We were good little Pentecostal people.
We do our little three point sermons,
and we would goand we we preach on what we don't do.
But we actually startedwe went to this meeting at a larger
would have been a megachurch, you know,and that standard,
Assembly of God Church called FaithTabernacle is a homeless city.
And this evangelist that come in thereand they extended and they kept extending
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and kept extending to the pointthat the local news Gene started
showing up at the meetings becauseso many things were were happening.
Council members
were coming in and getting healed,and there was healings happening.
And the local news guy was there.
I mean, people were coveringwhat is happening at this church.
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And so it transformed a city.
It wasn't just a series of meetings.
It literally was making an impact.
It was in Oklahoma City, in Oklahoma City.
And I rememberit made an impact on our family
because for the first time,you saw a miracle happen, you know?
Whoa.
And you, you sensed a presencethat you didn't sense on Sunday mornings.
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This was a
the guy who was was the evangelistfor that knew how to host the Holy Spirit.
And I think that made a difference.
Jesus went to places with peoplewho knew how to host the Holy Spirit.
I think that's where we've lost it.
I think so why have we done that?
How have we?
How have we forgotten to host,how to host his presence?
Do you and I talk about this only here,which you.
Jesus, never stayed in Jerusalem
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for much.
I mean that we we have a record of.
He stayed with Lazarus and Mary Marthaat their house
in Bethany, just a few miles awayfrom the suburbs of Jerusalem.
They knew how to host him.
David knewhow to host the presence of God.
He did its entire reignwhen he moved the ark out from a building,
and he made a tabernacle outside,and Jew and Gentile alike
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could get into the presence of God.
You couldn't touch the ark,but you could chat.
You could sit in the shadow of the arkand the wings of the Almighty.
You know,that's where those songs came from.
It's about an openness
to his presence and about an interruption.
Every miracle Jesus did,
for the
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most part,was an interruption to his schedule.
And I think that's our problemin churches in general.
We don't allow an interruptionto the schedule.
Let me take a step back,and then I want to get to your point.
There are some big churches that have likethree services on a Sunday, right?
They have like a 9:00 at 1030and a, you know, a 1230.
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Well, you got to get this group outto get in the parking lots, got to empty
so the next group can get in.
And so there's, you know,if you don't end on time,
you have a mess in your parking lot.
And it seems to me
that sometimes not not every churchthat has three services
does this, but sometimes thatseems to be the very thing
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that doesn'tallow the Holy Spirit to move,
because we gotta clean out the parking lotto get the next group in here.
How sad is that?
It is that we, we reducewhat the Holy Spirit's
doing down to clearing out the parking lotin time for the next service
because we, you know, we've got a buildingprogram and we got, we got to raise,
we got to get some funds in here,you know, tithes.
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And I'm really talkingtithes and offerings.
You know, and I'm not sayingevery megachurch does that,
but if we're not careful,even our own lives, we can impart
a control over what God's doingbecause we have our own ideas.
I know that the Holy Spiritdoes everything decently in order,
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so he knows the time constraints.
Yeah, and situationsthat we have in a church service.
I found because we had multiple servicesin California
where we were at at the church out there,and I found that,
the greatest moves happenedin that later one.
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And we actually made room for that.
Yeah. Now,there were times that things happened.
Here's here's the deal.
There were times that things happenedin that earlier service.
And you've got to be I learned
that you got a thankful for BrotherHagan on this.
I learned that, okay, I don't need topreach this message to this group in here.
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Let's just go with thisfor the remainder of this hour.
Yeah.
And then that's being willing
to just back up and say, sir,you have your way in this.
But a lot of timeswe don't realize the greatest miracle is,
that you've everexperienced was salvation.
Sure.We don't even do that anymore much, Gene.
Yeah.
That's the greatest miracle.
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Everything behind that is the simple.
Yeah, easy compared to that. But
some peopledon't think you have to move of God today.
If if.
Well, just a couple of people got to say,you know, that was a great move of God I.
Yeah.
But the deal is, ishe does everything decently in order,
but we have to be available to him to,
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to let him do what he wants to do.
We can't control the Spirit of God.
Let's say you and Iare the Ark of the covenant right now.
This is the mercy seat.
The Spirit of God would hover betweenthe two seraphim,
meaning that neither one of us control it.
It says that he is in the midst of us.
If any two of you agree togethertouching anything, he is in the.
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He's in the middle of this, meaning Genedoesn't control him, and I don't control.
Yeah.
And it says the spirit wills.
I think we've kind of lost that
in that.
I'm still in love.
I'm so in love with my notesand my message.
Yeah, that I have to get my notes out.
We can become so civilized
that we we format the Holy Spiritright out of this.
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Well, like I said while ago, Jesuswas interrupted on most of the miracles
he was headed somewhere else.
That was part of the schedule I can't find
this is a little sarcasticand I repent if I offend anybody.
I can't find where Jesus in his disciples
and found that woman
with the issue of blood and said,now he's going to land at the boat
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at about one, about 105, he'll greetsome of the Pharisees at the shore.
He's going to come up here pastPeter's house on his way to the synagogue.
Jairus will be with him.
If you could stand about hereat about 115, about 120, he'll pass by.
You'll have a chance to touch him.
It seems
we'vegrown so massively in church in America.
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We we've had greater revelation.
Let's talk about just,you know, here on the Victory Channel
when, Brother Hagan,as you know, you worked with him
the revelation and Brother Copelandand the revelation
and what we've learned about loveand about faith.
And you're like, whoa.And you get all of that.
There's been in the church as a whole,there's been a greater revelation
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that we've walked into.
But in the midst of this greaterrevelation,
we seem to have lost a lot
the other side of it, you know,
and this is I've been in churches
where there's been so much wordpreached, there's no room for Holy Spirit.
And and that's just as wrong as allHoly Spirit in.
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Right. Never mind.
You don't understandthe biblical foundation.
So let me tell you, behind the sceneswith Brother Hagan.
Yeah, here's what would happenon every single night of a meeting
that he would have or camp meeting,
or, winter Bible, any of the big eventsthat they had or services
that he was only the singing teamand video
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I was part of thatwe would get together before service.
We had pre-service, we would go over,we had a print it up
kind of what was going to do.
They're going to sing this, we'regoing to do this, we're going to do that.
And it was all printed up.
We knew what we were going to do,but here's what we did.
We prayed for the Holy Spirit
before that, an hour or so before
we would pray together as a team.
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You know whatthe Lord wants to do in this meeting?
What what you want said what you want song
and Brother Hagan would be doingthe same thing at the same time.
Maybe not with us, sometimes with us, but
we would pray about knowingthat everything's written down.
But this is going to go out the window.
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If all of a sudden Brother Hagan says,
I think we ought to sing something else,I think this ought to happen right here.
Hey, come up here.I think you've got the word for it.
He was so willing to to do thatthat we learned.
Yes, we've got a formatand this is a plan.
But at any given second,
if the Lord wants to heal somebody,we're not going to stop him
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from doing thatbecause it's not the time for that.
That's what they did with Jesus.
You can't heal on the Sabbathin the synagogue.
And just to show them, he would healon the Sabbath in the synagogue,
just to just to see what they would do,because he would know what they would do.
And those are manmade rulesthat have limited the Spirit of God.
And I submit that we have thosesame kind of traditions that have limited
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the Spirit of God.
I, it's a corporation gene.
And I don't mean thatI know that sounds so cold and calloused,
but once you start down
the path of, we've got to raisea certain amount of money every year
and this and that and the otherand do this, then that becomes the driver.
Yeah, if you will, for the minister.
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And they don't intend to be that way.That's not the way.
That's not why they went to Bible school.Sure.
It's not why the church was formed.
That's not how this church was birthed.
But sadly,that became the reality in the end.
And I think a revival would look like
for that church,a revival for that church would look like,
we're not going to go.
We're not going to be concernedabout how the money comes in.
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Or do
you think we're going to be concernedmostly about you pointing people to you?
It's all about you see, Gene, here'sthe deal.
It's his faith.
It's his righteousness.
It's his blood. It's his name.
It's his body. Right?
And not me.
It's not about us.
The, you know, I was you were talking.
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I was thinking about the Azusaof street revival.
And we love to talk about the signs,wonders and miracles.
And they were wonderful.
But let's in the natural look,we have a black man
son of, you know, he's blind in one eye.
The son of a sharecropper comesacross, goes to the west coast,
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and he goes to a churchto preach and teach on something.
He does not have the revelationof in his own
body. Yet he doesn't.
He doesn't speak in tongues yet,but he knows this.
So he gets there.
The church is locked.
It's chained because they don't want him.
Somebody got to him.
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The heresy hunter got to him and said,hey, don't let you know he's not going.
So but and then we know what
happens on Bonnie Brae Street and thingsstart flowing in the middle of that.
There were other you got Charles Parham,you got some other ministers
who that gotlittle jealous of what was going on.
And started the messy part, got involved.
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And this is not a knock on anybody.
But there was this didn't all flow well.
And in the middle of all of this,
the great earthquake of 1906happens in Calcutta. Right?
So you've got disaster,disaster happening.
This was not the picture
perfect revival that we like to think ofbecause of what was going on
naturally, the physically, the,the great earthquake here
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where so many people died.
You've got a lot of death around youand you got a lot of destruction,
but you've got signs and wondersand miracles and healings
and the revelation of the baptism,the submit.
That's why you have signs and wondersand miracles
because ofwhat's happening in the natural.
Do you think is when we have thatin the natural that we're more open to it
or more desperate? Is that it?
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I think so, I think you realize maybe
in the earthquake in particular,you realize your humanity.
Well, I can tell you just from, you know,I lived in Southern California
for a while, and every time a rolling,
I learned very quickly determiningwhich type of earthquake
you're going through, the rockor a roller, you know, and so
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and but the first time I went through one,you know, we were in a restaurant and,
and the guys that have lived in Californiaall their lives just continue eating.
You maybe grab their water glassand pull it back over, you know.
But the ones that are just they're going,what's going on?
You know, they're diving under the tables,you know, but you,
you start being familiarwith what's going on and.
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Oh, that's good.
And then when that'shappening, you can miss,
you can
not be prepared because you go, oh, well,that's just we've seen this before.
Governmentsays in the United States on the secular
level,never waste a good disaster or crisis.
Yeah. Rob Emmanuel said that. Right.
No crisis, go to waste.
That's it.
Don't let a good crisis go to waste.
And they do that.
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Why haven't we learned that the church,
when there's a when there's a crisis
that happens,why aren't we the hands and feet of Jesus?
Why aren't we the ones on the scene now?
Some are unaware.
Samaritan's Purse and and differentorganization and Operation Blessing.
There are people on the ground. But.
But why are local churches?
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I remember the fires in San Diego.
Our church became a zoo.
We had a our parking lot was full of horsetrailers that came out of the mountains
to get all their horses out.
We had people sleeping allover the building.
Because
the city asked me, hey, we need help.
You've got the biggest parking lotright here on this, on this highway.
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And I remember, I remember one of ourour leader said, oh,
you think that's a good idea?
We just we just re carpeted all that.
We just redid all of that. Here it is.
There it is.
And I remember saying,no, let's open it up.
Let's open it up. Yeah.
And I think that's maybe in some wayswhere we miss it
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in the factthat, well, what who who are these people?
What are they going to be doing here?We're where we are. Put them.
Where are the bathroom?How is this going to work?
You know, showersand all that kind of thing.
Yeah, we'll worry about that later.
Right now, we need to feed these peoplelike Jesus did.
What do we have?
Maybe that's the answer. What do we have?
And he says, well,we got this little kids lunch here.
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That'll work.
Well, and maybe we need to look at Gene.
What did we have?What does your church have?
What do you have for your neighbors?
Yeah, that are in need or in crisis.
I'm telling you, those fires and in LAand I'm sure there were churches
that they got involved.
Oh yeah.
Cheyenne and others.
But yeah,but and dream centers doing a big relief.
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That's that was the perfect opportunity
to minister to people in a time of need,you know, two hands in front of Jesus,
like you said exactly thatbecause we're his body, right?
Right.
And it's one thing to tell himyou love him.
It's another thing to tell himyou love them and actually love them,
you know,and not want something from them.
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You know, we're going to talk aboutin the next show.
We're about out of time.
But I want to talk about relationshipand faith and how that works together.
But what you just said aboutthe fires is an example.
When we reach out
as the hands and feet of Jesus,as people that need help,
and we're offering to help,we actually foster a relationship.
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You're hungry. Here's something to eat.
You know, you need to.
He did. That's what he did.
And that opens the doorfor the of the gospel.
You know, we've been,
we've been trained, a lot of us that are older and like the,
the the Emmaus road or the Jesus Road,and this is how you do it.
And when people and the evangelismexplosion I went through that
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these 11 steps, you know, and you justit became a formula.
It became a formulainstead of a relationship.
So maybe that's a revival, maybe helping
my neighborwho's washing machine broke or whatever.
Maybe that's a revival.
That's right.
Let me tell you a quick story about that.
So I put
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in a really big generator at my house,
and I have an obviously a neighboron each side of me.
Well, recentlypower went out and our whole neighborhood,
and, my generator kicked on.
So it's real obvious who has power,
because, I mean, this engine's runningand all the lights are on, and.
But I knew
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they've got a freezer.
So I reached out and said,you know, Terry, let them know.
Run a extension cord over here.
We can plug in and keep their food cold.
That I mean, it was like,oh my gosh, thank you so much.
And you didn't tell them love.
You show them love. Yeah.
And Timothy Paul writes this.
It says in the last days.
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Yeah perilous or hard times will come.
And and because menwill be lovers of self.
And he goes on the other thing.
Selfish number one thing he said
he didn't say you couldyou could confess away hard times.
He said,hard times will come. That's right.
And the number onereal deal is selfishness.
Gene, if I selfish,this is about not giving money.
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It can be if I withholdwhat I have the power to give.
That's right.I open the door to hard times
and go.
All right, we're out of time.
Thank you for joining us today. Greg.You come back next week, I'll be here.
All right. We gotwe got more to talk about. Revival.
Make sure you gocheck out the website revival radio TV.
Thank you to Brother Copeland
victory channel for keeping RevivalRadio on the air all these years.
(27:43):
It's been amazing what's happened.
We hear. I hear from you.
They talk to me about flashpointand talking about Revival Radio.
But there's always those people that go,and we love flashpoint, but
we really love revival radiobecause we learn about what God's doing.
So thank you for watching.Thank you, Greg, for being here.
And we'll see you next week.
(28:03):
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for supporting the mission of RevivalRadio TV.
Just follow the information on the screen
to join us in partnershiphere on the Victory Channel.
As we digdeep into the history of revival together.
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