ATL Mass Shooting; Tucker Carlson’s racist texts; Andrew Young talks Harry Belafonte

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One hundred and eighty mass shootings so far this year alone,

(00:02):
as Republicans passed new laws to make it easier for
anybody to have a gun, to anybody who concealed carry
around the country. We're gonna have a discussion on what
exactly can be done to protect community, particularly communities of color,
from gun violence. Well, the president of the National African
American Gun Association, Phil Smith. Also Tucker Carlson is back
in the news. Just released today, we have seen unreadapted

(00:25):
text messages that were discovered during the dominion voting machine
discovery process. And guess what, Tucker sent some really racist
text messages. I'm sure you are shocked by this information,
but apparently the text messages were so shocking that is
what resulted in Fox News deciding to settle the case

(00:45):
instead of have Tucker on the stand and all this
go public. And also what results in Tucker being fired.
We're going to talk about that and what can be
done to get these people out of media before a
deposition is needed in the future. Also, South Carolina is
in another legislative clash overpassing the Clement of Hickney Hate
Crimes Bill in South Carolina. Now several times before this

(01:08):
bill has gone through the House, gone through the Senate,
and then stopped there. We're going to talk to South
Carolina's state senator about what can be done to push
this hate crimes law through that we protect African Americans
that are the minorities within the state of South Carolina.
South Carolina one of a few states that is not
having hate crimes law on the books. Also, in our
continually Remembrance of activist, actor and singer Cara Delafonte, we

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will be talking to Atlanta Ambassador Andrew Young to discuss
how he remembers the late icon. Also in our tech
Talk segment, we'll be talking to the founder of a
sustainable tech company, Pivot Plastic, which is looking to improve
the environment as environmental challenges are impacting the black community
or they're being talking about sustainability and the fact that
African American communities are far too often located in these

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Speaker 1 (02:57):
Mass shootings again. Rotten donations. Yes. Today, twenty four year
old Dion Patterson walked into a hospital in Atlanta, shooting
five women, killing one. Three remain in critical condition right now.
Mister Patterson is still on the run in the city
of Atlanta. Schools who are locked down distances were put
on lockdown. Authorities are asking that if you have any
information with regards to worry about mister Patterson and or

(03:20):
any information that can be turned over to police, please
contact law enforcement immediately. This man is still considered armed
and dangerous and on the loose in Atlanta currently. This
comes on the heels of Texas, where a three time
deported Netskon national fatally shot and killed five people, including
an eight year old boy. Just days earlier. He had
been asked to stop firing his rifle outside of his home.

(03:43):
Outside his home near a neighbor's yard, and now he
is still remaining on the loose. A Florida man who
is previous to be convicted of domestic violence shot and
killed his girlfriend and three children this week as part
of a mass shooting spree. And as we said, these
are eighteen man shootings in the last seven days in
the United States of America, over one hundred and eighty

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thus far this year, and we are May third of
this year. This does not happen in other industrialized countries.
This does not happen in other parts of the world
to the extent that it happens here. Politicians, activists, and
community members are all calling for immediate action to prevent
further gun violence and mass shootings. President Biden has urged
Congress to pass comprehensive gun reform legislation, including universal background

(04:26):
chips and a ban on assault weapons. Meanwhile, advocates and
gun rights groups argue that stricter gun laws nearly in
friends on their constitutional rights and do very little to
actually stop mass shootings. To this debate continues. The victims
and families are fited by these shootings and left to
mourn and wonder what could happen and we're simply continue

(04:48):
to be pushed these narratives of thoughts and prior from
our political officials. Joining us now to discuss this is
the president and founder of the National African American Gun Association,
mister Phil Smith. Phil, how are you doing this evening?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Doing good?

Speaker 6 (05:01):
And I'm glad to be here and.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Thank you so much for joining us now. I've been
a NAGA member since the beginning You've started coming on
my show on WAOK basically as soon as the organizations founded.
Why is it so important that we educate the black
community about the importance and necessity in this current environment
of gun ownership and personal protection.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
First of all, historically we have not had the opportunity
to enjoy fiums as most of our counterpartoon in the US.
So our history is very, very different from any other
organization or group of people in the US. So we've
been literally brainwashed the other way, run away every time
you see a gun.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Guns are bad, even though they can protect your family.
It's just been an.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
Indoctrination that really it is toxic in terms of African
americanss relating to a firem So that's the first point. Secondly,
we need to understand that it's our right as Americans,
particularly Black Americans, where we have fought for this country
and are the most patriotic of any other race in
this country. We did have fought and died for our

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are people to have that right to own a gun.
The Second Amendment is written to the Constitution for a reason,
because it allows us to grab a gun and protect
our families as someone brings in their own late at
night or during the day or whatever.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
It's something that should.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Not, I believe, and very obviously I'm very biased, but
should not be infringed on in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
You know, particularly for the Black community and in this case,
particularly shooting today in Atlanta, for black women. We talk
about the importance of gun safety and education for African
American women who are increasingly the targets of domestic violence,
the targets of shootings and robberies, et cetera. NAGA does
a lot of work in this space of both educating

(06:43):
and training women in firearms safety and use. You talk
about the importance of that.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Sure, Black people are the backbolt of our organization. They
are forty percent of our membership. At one point they
were literally sixty percent of our membership. So black women
have a very very important part of our organization, the
National ath American Go Association.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
It's critically important if you are a potential.

Speaker 7 (07:03):
Gun owner to know how to handle that gun, to
know how to shoot the gun, to know how to
have muscle memory built up over practice and practice with
the gun. And oh, by the way, you need to
have a certified instructor to teach you how to handle
that gun. Just don't go out and think you've bought
a gun and you're all of a sudden, you know,
James Bond, You're not. You need to understand the intimacies,

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the rules, the regulations, the fundamentals of.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
That firearm and our community.

Speaker 7 (07:29):
That is a needed skill set that we try to
place to all of our folks that come through the door.
And we do that by constant education, constant training, and
more education and more training, and we do it over
and over and over, and we never have enough of
that that particular process for our people as they come
through the door. And we're slowly getting some traction on
a national level where our folks are starting to understand

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and more importantly, get the skill set to protect themselves.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
And I think that's a great thing for our community.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Absolutely, and talk a little about the Every time we
see these mass shootings, it's always a call for gun reform.
They're the call for assault weapons bands or stricter gun requirements.
You know, we've seen cities like Chicago, New York, Baltimore
have very strict laws that were struck down by the courts.
Is there any legislation that would help bring it into
these mass shootings.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
I'm going to say this, and I want everybody to
really listen to me as best you can.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
I'm very biased, but I'm going to.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Try to say this without being too over the top.
You can throw every gun law you can think in
your head at the wall, and tomorrow there's still going
to be a shooting. The key is that we need
to step back and look at the root cause. Why
are people shooting other people now? And such high amounts
are supposedly high amounts. I think mental health is the key,

(08:48):
and that's where the conversation I think can start and
should start, because you look at a lot of these shootings, they're.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Mental health related.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Somebody used to be in the service there, they're coming
back home with PTA, or they have issues with themselves
and those folks around them. You might have other folks
that are angry at the world racists. This goes on
and on the list. But I think if we had
a connection or a closer connection with mental health agencies
or across the country.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
When I say we have.

Speaker 7 (09:15):
A connection, law enforcement had a connection to be notified
of those individuals that are out there that want to
do harm, we be in a better place.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
I'm a big advocate for conversation.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
I'm a big advocate for difficult conversations, and I'm also
an advocate for understanding someone else's perspective and as long
as they listen to my perspective, I'm wanting to get
a solution that helps the country, obviously, but we have
to have start that conversation, and that conversation oftentimes can
be very very tenset at a minimum.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Now and on the same point, and hopefully you can stick
on us for another segment so the panel can chime
in with the mental health crisis that we've seen exploding
since COVID. It seems strange and this is the time
where states like Georgia, Florida, this is about twenty other
states have passed constitutional carry laws basically say you don't
need to have any paperwork, You don't need to do

(10:07):
anything in order to constill carry. Basically, anyone can walk in,
buy a gun with just an ID, do a five
minute background check, and walk back out. Should there be
red flag laws? Should there be anything put in place
to at least put some barrier between individuals to the
ability to buy guns. Who saw the utilities people saying
we need to raise the age limit to purchase weapons
have a waiting period. Are there any sorts of legislation

(10:28):
that you would stand behind.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Let's start with red flag laws.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
I think that's as I said, where that's a starting point,
and just for our audience, red flag law is the
following those of that don't understand, I've never heard the
term red flag laws the following. It simply says that
if you have some in society that is a danger
to themselves or danger to the larger society at large,
law enforcement has the right to go out proactively to

(10:53):
contact that person and to secure their firearms and take
them away from them so they can't hurt themselves or
their folks, or their neighbors, or the community that in
which they live in. In theory, that sounds great. I'm
a big advocate of that in theory. The problem is
the following. Oftentimes for black folks like myself and in
my community, the red flag law is weaponized and weaponized

(11:15):
in a way in which people that are totally innocent
get their guns taken away from them, and once their
guns are taken away from them, it's very.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Very difficult to get those firearms back.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
You have to go through a legal process, it's expensive,
you have to get an attorney, you got to go
to court, and a lot of times in our community
that our budgets are limited. We have so much money
that has to be allocated for certain things. So once
the guns are taken, they're gone.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
What I feel avocated. Go ahead, Phil, just do.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Let's put a pen in there right there. We're going
to go to a break. I'm gonna let you continue
on the other side and then bring the panel and
also to ask you some questions because I think we
want to come to a solution, because this is severely
in fitting our community. We always talk about assault weapons.
Most gun crimes are not committed with AR fifteens. They're
committed with pistols. So even if you ban every AR
and ak in the country. We're still going to have
hundreds of people die every every day because of gun violence.

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Speaker 1 (14:14):
We're still talking to Phil Smith, the president, founder of
the National African American Gun Association, about this string of
mass shootings that we've seen nationally. Update on the case
in Atlanta, police believe that they have the suspect Deon
Patterson located in an apartment complex off of cop Parkway.
Will bring you any updates to that case as they
become available. We're gonna bring our panel in shortly out.

(14:35):
But Phil, before the break, you were talking about red
flag laws and kind of this concept of access to firearms.
You know, the individual in Texas is a three times
reported Mexican national who is undocumented here in the United
States of America who's very easily able to get a
hold of a AR fifteen. We have seen many mass
shooting with illegal guns being used. Even the Mexican cartel

(14:57):
right now is using American guns that are shipped across
the bord or as opposed to the other way around.
How can we give this issue of access to guns
in America.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
Guns are without dodging the question, guns are an integral
part of America. I mean, the country is founded on
the access of having guns to.

Speaker 6 (15:14):
Fight for liberty.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
There are a lot of people out there, and I
want to make sure people understand that that are intent
on causing harm to other folks in society that have
no connection to them. What we need to do is
start taking our communities, our cities, our synagogues, our moss
our churches, and turning them into what I call hard
targets instead of soft targets. Because right now everyone in society,

(15:40):
not everyone, but just about every place you go, you
can walk in, you can have a gun and have
evil intent, and you're not able to have any kind
of barriers protecting those folks that are in that and
that building. We need to make sure that we have
that mindset change because currently right now in America, I.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Believe that the folks that we have for the masses
think of.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
Everything being a very safe and serene place, and it's
just not that way. When you walk out late at night,
you need to protect yourself. When you're downtown in any
major city, you need to protect yourself. So why not
take that mindset and internalize it and make sure that
when you are going around, have situational awareness in your mindset,
looking at various buildings and people that you're talking to.

(16:25):
To ignore the idea or to the problem, it's only
going to stay the same way. You need to have
buildings protected, you need to have people protected. And I
think we're starting to come to that reality starting with
the schools, and I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm going to bring our panel and we have Rebecca Caruthers,
vice President Fair Election Centers watching in DC. A Scott Bolden,
attorney and former chairman of the National Bar Association, DC
Chamber of Commerce pack and also doctor Larry Walker, Assistant Professor,
University of Florida in Florida. Scott, I'm going to go
to you first. You have a question for mister Smith.

Speaker 13 (16:58):
Well, I got a lot of state as I disagree
with him more. I don't know if I have a question,
but here it goes. You know, I'd love to hear
Phil's response to this issue or argument.

Speaker 14 (17:13):
The Second Amendment says that if you're in America the militia,
you're entitled to a gun.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
Last time I checked, and I'm a gun owner. I
own ten guns. I'm not a member of the militia.

Speaker 14 (17:26):
Supreme Court has bastardized the Second Amendment that allows us
to own guns and to be as least restrictive as possible,
and yet the mass killings continue.

Speaker 13 (17:40):
I understand about the mental health and about bad actors,
but at this point, with one.

Speaker 14 (17:45):
Hundred and ninety incidents in twenty twenty three alone, would
you agree that limiting access to guns, having a red
flag law.

Speaker 13 (17:55):
Anything we can do.

Speaker 14 (17:57):
It may not be a panacea, but anything that we
can do, especially with weapons of mass destruction.

Speaker 13 (18:04):
Gun violence is.

Speaker 15 (18:05):
Committed by nine millimeters and pistols, but mass shootings are
committed by AR forty sevens or AKC forty sevens and
our fifteens. Wouldn't all of those gun reform legislative initiatives,
Wouldn't they at least help as opposed to being a panacea.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
First of all, thank you for the question. I appreciate
the perspective. I understand your passion behind what you're saying.
It's an emotional I think reaction sometimes when people think
that some of the laws that are being proposed are
going to stop mass killings, because most of the legislation,
if not all, is just a waste of time. You're
pandering to the base of their constituency. Politicians when I

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say that, and you're really not helping out if you're
really serious about stopping gun shootings. And don't get it twisted.
I'm a black man first in his country. I've got children,
I've got a wife, I've got a mother, I've got sisters,
I've got brothers, I want all of them safe. But
I also understand as a black man, the reality of
what laws work and what don't work, and a lot
of the laws that are being proposed by politicians, And

(19:13):
I'm not going to try to demonize all of them,
but for the most part, they just aren't doing anything.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
They just okay.

Speaker 13 (19:19):
So then okay, let me if I may.

Speaker 16 (19:22):
If that's the case, and you disagree with my proposition
or suppositions, then tell me what you would do to
end this gun violence. Then if it's not through gun reform,
then tell me what would what would work in your
opinion without telling me more guns and protecting our soft targets,

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because that connotes more violence.

Speaker 13 (19:44):
So what would you run? Top Three things would.

Speaker 16 (19:46):
You propose to end gun violence and mass killings in America?

Speaker 7 (19:50):
First thing I would do is loose enough the hippologs
that they have right now where you cannot access someone's
mental health records, so law enforcement can literally go on
and look at that person's profile after being prompted by
a psychiatrist or psychologist for one.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
That's the first thing I would do.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
Secondly, and I know you don't probably want to hear this,
but I would definitely re educate those folks are allowed,
those folks that want to purchase a gun to get
a gun to protect themselves. The worst thing you can
do in a scenario where someone's trying to kill you,
to me, is to be unable to protect yourself or
your family, or your loved ones, or your property. And
as Americans were, unfortunately, we're stuck on this concept that

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if I get a gun a lot of us, something
bad is going to happen by.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Me purchasing purchasing that gun. And that's just not true
to me. Just the opposite happens.

Speaker 7 (20:38):
You have now engaged with the gun, you know how
to use the gun, you're taking lessons, and you can
protect yourself and your family. And that's just how I
see it. And I know it's very different from your perspective,
but I think that's the way.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
All right, you want to Rebecca, I want to get
one in on the panel, Rebecca, Do you have a
comment or a statement for mister Smith?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Sure? You know, I find to talk about mental health
very interesting. According to Columbia University School Psychiatry, only five
percent of those who with severe mental illness account for
mass shootings in this country. So trying to say that
mass shootings in this country is largely attributed to mental

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health is inaccurate based upon psychiatrists, and I think psychiatrists
are the ones who could probably determine if someone is
severely mentally ill. So my question is, is it your
belief that we already have too many guns in the
United States for there are to actually be restrictions to
reduce guns. I'm really trying to understand your argument. If

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you're saying that there's so many people who are armed,
that's why the rest of us should be armed, is
that the crux of your core belief here.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
No, I'm saying that if you look at countries where
are not country but mindset of protecting yourself, people look
for easy targets or soft targets if you.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Are someone out there trying to harm someone.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
There's a reason why people don't run into a police
station to start robbing and trying to shoot people because
they know they're gonna die. There's a reason why people
don't run into the federal reserve and trying to shoot
people because they know they're going to die. There's a
reason why you don't walk into some neighborhoods in some
communities in this country because they have excellent, excellent security
that have people walking around and watching you as you
enter and everything that you do. And you know if

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you go into those communities and I've been a kid
driving with my friends and we've been told, hey, don't
go in that area because they're going to stop, they're
gonna rest you, and they're gonna take you home.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
That's the mindset that we need to take.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Larry, I wanted to give you an opportunity before we
run out of time to asking questions or comments with
regards to mister Smith.

Speaker 17 (22:43):
Yeah, I think there are a couple of things.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know, I'm a researcher.

Speaker 17 (22:46):
So first of all, we know that the assault weapons
band that sunset in two thousand and four, we know
they had an impact on violence in America. So I
think from a policy perspective, my colleague also also talked
about the misconception that a lot of these shootings have
to do with mental health. That's not accurate. I think
the third point we have to really consider and talk
about here is we've seen incidents into look at the

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shooting and Tennessee at the school in which individuals are armed,
teachers were armed, but they didn't engage the shooter. So
this this is a myth that this idea that more
people who were armed are more likely to engage shooters.
We saw in Texas that law enforcement don't even engage
individuals who were armed and killing civilians. So this idea
that this more guns will lead to some kind of

(23:29):
you know, countering some of the violence in America is
not is not true. Per capital of the United States
leads all nations in terms of guns that are available,
and like I said, comparison to other countries in the world.
So what we have is we have a gun, and
we have a violence. We have a culture problem. So
I think those some of the issues we have to
talk about. We'll talk about sexism, racism among other issues,
and also economic challenges among others when it comes to

(23:50):
gun violence.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Fail the of a response.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yeah, I agree with what he said on that last
point in terms of the economic issues. And I'll say this,
if you have economic solutions for those folks that are
in a bad way, if you take away the lifetime
ban of a felony on someone who committed a crime
at the age twenty, you allow them to get re
engaged in society. You're not putting them off in a
corner where the pressures of not being able to generate

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any money for their family or themselves and there and
their loved ones overcomes them. We have to start thinking
intuitively long term, what's the best thing for society, and
that is when you have jobs for folks that are
allowed to engage in society, violence goes down dramatically. Let's
make sure we allow those folks that are in those
places to have jobs. Jobs is a solution to me

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of a lot of the stuff that's going on right now.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Absolutely, And so before we go for people who are
interested and want to work towards protecting themselves, protecting their families,
such for particularly women, because in the Atlanta shooting today
we saw that this individual specifically targeted women and a
waiter room ages twenty to seventy. How can they gain
contact with NAG and how can they learn about training

(25:02):
in their own local areas.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Sure, we have over one hundred and thirty chapters nationwide
over fifty thousand members.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Go to our website a NAAGA dot Co.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Click on chapters and you'll see a local chapter in
your area, and easily you can contact that particular chapter
president and start getting engaged with that particular group of
folks in your area. Also, I want to mention that
we are having our national convention in July twenty eight,
twenty nine and threeeth It will be the first time
in the history of the US that a black farms
organization is having a national convention. I encourage everyone, and

(25:34):
including those folks on the panel. You know, you might
have a different perspective to come and see three to
eight thousand black folks who are well behaved gun owners
and talk about guns, and get into that room and
into that space and see a different perspective. It's very,
very easy to lash out when you are emotionally charged.
But we need solutions right now. And as I said before,

(25:55):
economics I think is the first step toward helping ease
that that this country is going through right now, because
a lot of.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Folks are in a very very bad way emotionally, you.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Know, I think there's a macro discussion, and in a
micro discussion, the macro discussion is what do we do
societally to stop gun violence? How can we bring up
the people who are impoverished, How can we help people
mental health challenges? How can we secure these targets that
are solved, How can we put restrictions on firearms and
sure that the people who don't need them don't get them.
That's the macro conversation. The micro conversation is, if it's

(26:27):
down to you and you staying alive, we have to
make sure that you are trained, that you are armed,
and you can protect yourself from your family, and you
can worry about the macro problems later. Phil Smith, the
president and founder in the National African American Ganization, thank
you so much for joining us. We will be back
after the break. You're watching Roland mord Than Unfiltered extremly
live on the Black Store Network.

Speaker 12 (26:47):
Hatred on the Streets, a horrific scene white nationalist rally
that descended into deadly violent.

Speaker 8 (26:56):
White people are moving there there.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
As an angry proach.

Speaker 13 (27:01):
Trump mod storms to the US capital the Shop.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
We're about to see the lives of what I call
white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this
country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 14 (27:20):
Every time that people of color have made progress, whether
real or symbolic, there has been, but Carol Anderson, every
university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
Since the writhe of the Proud Boys and the Boogaaloo
Boys America.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 16 (27:36):
The This country is getting increasingly racist and its behaviors
and its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
The fee that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources,
they're taking out women. This is white beeing.

Speaker 18 (28:10):
We're all impacted by the culture, whether we know it
or not, from politics, from music and entertainment.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
It's a huge part of our lives.

Speaker 18 (28:17):
And we're going to talk about it every day right
here on the Culture with me, Baraji Muhammad only on
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 9 (28:33):
Hi, I'm Anthony Brown from Anthony Brown and Group.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
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Speaker 5 (28:35):
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Speaker 8 (28:37):
What's up.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
I'm Lance Grosson.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
More news on former Fox Smith's host Tucker Carlton. Tucker Carlson,
we found out today made some very disturbing comments through
text messages about the Jamie Ward Sist insurrection. According to
the text messages, released by the New York Times. Carlson
texted a producer saying he found himself rooting for a
mob of Trump supporters to kill an Antifa protester. Gonna

(29:10):
read the text mensage here. A couple of weeks ago,
I was watching video of people fighting on the streets
in Washington. A group of Trump guys surround an Antifa
kid and started pounding the living s out of him.
It was three against one at least. Jumping a guy
like that is dishonorable. Obviously, it's not how white men fight.
And say that again, it's not how white men fight.

(29:32):
Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against
the man, hoping they'd hit him harder kill him. I
really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it.
Then somewhere deep in my brain and alarm went off.
This isn't good for me. I'm becoming something I don't
want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being.
Much as I despise what he says and does, much
as I'm sure i'd hate him personally if I knew him,

(29:54):
I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered
by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves
this kid and would be crushed if he was killed.
If I don't care about those things, if I reduce
people to their politis how am I any better than
that kid? This is Tucker Carlson being remorseful and having

(30:15):
a rare point of self introspection. And I've described the
Maga movement often as the Maga mind virus. This is
the mind virus at work being spelled out in this
text message. Is how you can go from a normal
human being to someone who is part of this cult
that wants to overthrow the government, that will give your life,
your liberty, your future in service to the Maga mob.

(30:38):
We've seen this over and over again. People like Kanye West,
at one point in time was a normal human being.
He was infected with the Maga mind virus and lost
nearly everything. The message was sent hours after the insurrection
of the Capitol and was redacted in court folence. The
text message alarm Fox News board of directors and played
a role in Carlson's abrupt firing last month. The decision

(31:00):
to fire Carlson was made by corporation chief executive Lachlan Murdoch.
And Fox News chief chief executive Susan Scott, just one
week after the network agreed to pay seven hundred and
eighty seven point five million dollars to Dominion Voting Systems
over the network's dissemination of election lines. And if you
wonder why they settled for nearly eight hundred million dollars,

(31:21):
imagine Tucker Carlson on the stand having to answer to
that text message live and live on the evening News.
That's why they tried to settle. That's why they tried
to keep this out of the media. Let's bring the
panel in, Rebecca, What does this text message tell you
about one the nature of our news media and two
what exactly it tasts to get fired as a white

(31:42):
man in this country.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I mean, you see my face right, Like that text
is pretty tame in comparison to the things that Tucker
Carlson has said live on air. I mean, if anything,
it shows that he had a bloodlust for someone getting
beat up on the street group of people. And then
to even say, oh, it's dishonorable, that's not how white

(32:05):
men fight. I couldn't like, I don't know if you
heard me laughing as you were reading reading that comment.
I mean, it just doesn't make sense. I mean, as
a side, we know that white men don't always fight dishonorably.
You could just ask the Native Americans and you can
ask them about Christopher Columbus. But that aside, I don't
think this is the reason why Tucker Carlson was fired.

(32:28):
This is very tame compared to the other things that
he has said.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And Larry, I want you to pick up on that point.
What do you think he meant when he said, this
isn't how white men fight, this is dishonorable, So this
is just how other people who are less honorable fight.
What what do you think he was autd there?

Speaker 17 (32:48):
I think what he said is consistent what you saw
on the show. So everything is centered among within whiteness.
So when you when you behavior certainly violently, you know,
in savagery he was describing. That's the that's the way
that minoritized groups are supposed to behave. But listen, what
I want to say is, in terms of the comments
he made a I think Fox News was looking to

(33:08):
get rid of him because the thing what he said
in this text message is really tamed to some of
the crazy things he said on his show. I want
to highlight a couple other things when you talk about
white men in violence, the black folks who are the
victims who are murdered the Red Summer of nineteen nineteen,
or Rosewood or the Coey massacre or Tulsa massacre with
like a word, with the costs, and in terms of

(33:29):
white supremacy and violence in the United States, this country
has a long history of violence against black folks and
other minoritized groups. So this idea, like he said that,
you know, white men in particularly don't behave like that.
We saw that in January sixth. We see that in
terms of how law enforcement interacts with black folks, and
once again we continue to see it in terms of
way black people are treated for going through the movies

(33:51):
to the mall. They're just sitting in their car, they're
at home. So this violence perpetuated against us is ongoing,
and it's about as part of our seven sixty.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Five and Larry to that point. This is one of
those reasons I think Ron DeSantis is trying to ban
Crteam because much of that history. I feel like a
good portion of America, including white America, doesn't know. When
Tucker says this isn't how white men fight. That's exactly
how white men fight. If you look at the air
of lynching in America, it was always a group of
white men dragging fourteen year old boy like give it

(34:22):
tilloff to murder him. It was always a group ten
twenty people taking people to lynch them. If you look
at many of the many of the masters that took place,
they roll in groups to get an individual. Why do
you think that so much's education is missing from the
American zeitgeist? And what can we do to restore it?

Speaker 17 (34:45):
Larry Rose with which happened in the state of Florida.
You know, they don't want to talk about these issues,
and like I said, this is historical. I mean, we
could talk about contemporary violence, but this is historical issues
that happened. And once again black folks who are the
victims of these of these horrific, you know, crime, So
they don't want to talk about it. Because this country's
always struggled to self the reflect on its own evils,

(35:07):
whether it's internment camps, and in terms of Japanese internment
camps or the trail, the Trail of tears or Jim Crow.
When it comes to dealing with, you know, in terms
of how black people were treated. So we have a
long history of these issues, but we also have a
long history of ignoring any through.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I ration and Scott you know, both of us make
our rounds on cable news. And when I saw this
that this somehow was the vitiating fact to the result
in the terminations of Tucker Carlson, I chuckled a little
bit because we all know that if the producer have this,
they probably had hundreds of other text muchages like this,
and they could have turned it over to Fox executives
at any time if they actually had a problem. It

(35:46):
was the lawsuit and the money that they were afraid of,
not Tucker being a racist.

Speaker 13 (35:51):
Yeah, you know, you're not done, Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 16 (35:55):
They have live tapes and they don't need private text messages,
that's the first thing.

Speaker 13 (36:01):
But the lawsuit was settled for a lot of reasons,
not just Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 14 (36:06):
They probably had a lot of Texes and they had
a lot of anchors, and their testimony, including the owner's testimony.

Speaker 13 (36:12):
Wasn't going to be good.

Speaker 14 (36:13):
That was like winning a trial without even having to
spend the money trying the case.

Speaker 16 (36:18):
But Here's the thing about his texts. Pull his text
back up. He didn't apologize for feeling that way. He
lamented that he felt that way. He knew it was wrong,
but he never corrected himself or apologized or or.

Speaker 13 (36:37):
Did anything to take back the first half of his texts. Right, so,
he wants to kill the.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
ANIFA guy or TIFA individual, regardless of whether white men
fight that way. Now white people talk black people violence.
Let's not forget that. You want us to do better,
you do better. But he did not apologize for it
or retract it.

Speaker 13 (36:58):
He lamented that.

Speaker 20 (36:59):
He felt that way, but that didn't do anything to
take away the fact that he felt that way at
the end of his text. He felt that way at
the beginning of his text, he felt that way, and
right now, as we debate and talk about this issue.

Speaker 13 (37:13):
He feels that way. Don't get lost in what.

Speaker 16 (37:16):
He lamented at the second half of his text, because
the second half had nothing to do with the first half,
which was really how he felt and he felt comfortable
manifesting those feelings in writing a text to a producer
at Fox.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Think about that, and Scott on that point, how can
we as the community helped to push changes at Fox
because regardless of what you feel about them, they have
by far the largest news audience of any cable news outlet.
You know, the ratings came out I think today, showing
that Fox's primetime ratings are higher than seeing n and
MSNBC combined. And now Lawrence Jones, a black man, is

(37:53):
going to be sitting in for Tucker the kind of
guest hosting to see who he can get them full
time spot. But we should have some kind of voice
and being able to stop this type of racist messaging
being pumped into the minds of people around this country.
When I talk about that Maga mind virus, that is
how it is spread. How can we stop the spread
of this mind virus? Because we see many of these
white supremacist mass shootings, as we talked about in the

(38:15):
last segment, these people are often very loyal thoughts and
new viewers.

Speaker 13 (38:22):
Well, yeah, but it begins even before Fox. Why do
we have generational racism, perpetual racism. It's because people that.

Speaker 16 (38:30):
Don't look like us are teaching their children, their new children,
every generation, to hate black people based on the color
of their skin, to commit violence. Right now, Fox has
a really unique business strategy.

Speaker 13 (38:44):
They know they're not going to appeal to people that are.

Speaker 16 (38:48):
Intelligent, or who are balanced, or who are non racist,
or don't have these far right views.

Speaker 13 (38:55):
But there's so many of that audience.

Speaker 16 (38:58):
Who tunes into Fox who appreciate their messaging, don't care
about it being fair or balanced, if you will, and
that those advertisers who you would normally attack to shut
down a Fox News.

Speaker 13 (39:13):
Story or organization, you don't have that same.

Speaker 16 (39:17):
Leverage because the advertisers that either don't care about what
they're promoting, a lot of them do and they don't
advertise there, but they don't care because that Maga proud.
Those millions of viewers don't turn into NBC or CNN
for any type of balance.

Speaker 13 (39:37):
They tune into Fox because they're feeding They're feeding that group,
that massive group, on the rhetoric that they want to hear.

Speaker 16 (39:46):
So it's is it a real news organization in the
sense of what other organizations.

Speaker 14 (39:52):
Want to be fair and balanced? I'm not convinced that
they really do want to be fair and balanced.

Speaker 16 (39:58):
They serve a popular excuse, They serve a population, and
they make money on serving that population, not on being
fair and balanced.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Well, you know, the stop using that monark or fair
and balanced. About the time they fired Bill O'Reilly, they
no longer present all turned inside of the argument. Now
it is simply a propaganda machine to push right wing
conspiracy theories. The truth and reality do not matter. And
that's why so often when we have these conversations like
the conversation we had on Monday with the Black Conservative,
where they could seem unaware of reality as it exists

(40:31):
because they exist strictly within this right wing media silo.
So they don't understand the issues that avout real Americans
because they believe deep down in their minds, hearts, and souls.
And this is not an act that they put on.
These people are not joking. They believe these conspiracy theories
deep down within their souls. They think the hunter Biden's
laptop is the most important story facing the United States

(40:52):
of America in the international community. They actually believe Trump
did a really good job as president. They're not lying,
they say that as though they are completely surprised. Is
when they get information to the contrary. And that's what
makes them so diff so dangerous, because once you're infected
with this Maga mind virus, it's nearly impossible to shake.
We've seen people lose everything they have to the Maga movement.

(41:13):
There are people to be in prison right now because
they sold out and their brains have been corrupted by
that Maga mind virus. I don't care how much you
loved Obama. You weren't going to prison for Obama. There
are people in pre right now. Their love for doctor.

Speaker 19 (41:27):
We got.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
We gotta go, Scott. We'll hit on the other side
of the break. We gotta go to a break real quick.
We'll be back after the break. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered,
streaming live on the Black Star Network. Star Network.

Speaker 13 (41:44):
A real revolution there right.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Now, the voice of Black America, a moment that we
have now.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
We have to keep this going.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
The video looks phenomenal.

Speaker 21 (41:54):
Between Black Star Network and Black owned media and something
like seeingn You.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Can't be black own media and be scared.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
It's time to be smart.

Speaker 13 (42:04):
Bring your eyeballs home.

Speaker 16 (42:07):
You dig.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg called.

Speaker 21 (42:14):
We look at the history of emancipation around the including
right here in the United States, the so called end
of slavery. Trust me, it's a history lesson that bears
no resemblance to what you learned in school. Professor Chris Manjopra, author, scholar,
amazing teacher, joins us to talk about his latest book,
Black Ghost of Empire, The Death of Slavery and the

(42:36):
Failure of Emancipation. He explains why the end of slavery
was no end at all, but instead a collection of
laws and policies designed to preserve the status quo of
racial a question.

Speaker 22 (42:48):
The real problem is that the problems that slavery and
invented have continued over time, and what reparations are really
about is saying, how do we really transfer arm society
right and stop racial violence which is so endemic, what we.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Need to do about it.

Speaker 21 (43:06):
On the next installments of the Black Table, right here
on the Black Star.

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And you're watching Roland Martin unfiltered.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
South Carolina, the Palmetto State. They argue that they should
be the peach state of the Post of Georgia. Don't
believe that South Carolina also where the Civil War started,
where Tim Scott, Senator lost his presidential campaign right there
for Sumpter. But South Carolina is also one of only
two states in the nation without a hate crimes law
on the books. Lawmakers have tried to get the Clementency

(43:54):
Pickney Hate Crimes at passed for the last three years.
Pinckney was one of the nine worship's murdered at the
historic Mother Emanuel Amme Church and Charleston by white supremacists
in June twenty fifteen. Frustrations are overflowing at this point
for obvious reasons. Even in the state like my homestate
of Georgia. After the murder of Maud Aubrey, we were

(44:15):
able to push through a bill that got rid of
the Civil War air citizens arrest law that was the
basis of the detention of mister Aubrey. Now we've been
push through new laws that helped to prevent hate crimes
against African Americans, but South Carolina is a tough nut
to crack. Joining me now to discuss this is South
Carolina State Senator Kevin L. Johnson. Senator Johnson, how are

(44:38):
you doing this evening? You wanna find it's good to
see you, good to be with you. Thank you so
much for joining us. So talk a little bit about
this legislative process. You know, it seems like you've got
him through the House, through the Senate. Of what's stopping
this from going into law? Well, the bill passed.

Speaker 23 (44:53):
The House, which was just flabbergast me because the House
is known to be more conservative than USU Carolina Senate.
But the bill did pass the House, and so I
try to tell people that forty eight states have passed
hate crime legislation in the South Carolina House, but the
Senate refused to even take the bill up, and that's

(45:14):
very disappointing.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So what are the roadblocks preventing this from being even
considered them the Senates? It's very similar to Hr. Forty,
the reparations law in Congress. It will get to Congress,
but never we've been taken up for a vote by
the US Senate. What is happening in South Carolina? They
are stopping the Sendate from so much as even having
a hearing on this other one the full vote.

Speaker 23 (45:37):
It basically comes down to a numbers game in South Carolina.
In the Senate, we have forty six members, thirty Republicans
and sixteen Democrats, and so the Republicans pretty much control
the calendar. And so although the bill has been filed
and I'm a coresponsor of the bill. If they don't
agree to take it up, assign it to a subcommittee,
and let us debate the bill, discuss it, and vote

(45:59):
on it. We can't get to it. And all we
ask them is just do that. Just let us debate
the bill and let us vote. And I think the
biggest fear from the leadership is that if it ever
comes to a vote, the votes are there to pass
hay crime legislation in South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
And with that, you know, it's one of those insane
things about the legislative process that we also face in
other states. Because South Carolina is nearly forty percent African
American based on the last census data, how exactly is
it that we only have sixteen senators in a state
that's almost two quarters black.

Speaker 23 (46:40):
That is a good point, and let me say this
before I answer that question. In the South Carolina House,
there are one hundred and twenty four members, eighty eight
Republican and thirty six Democrat. And we have to go
back and just re emphasize to South Carolina citizens the
importance of voting, and we just have too many people

(47:00):
are not going to the polls of voting, we have
some that actually go to the poland vote against their
own interests. Hence we have the numbers that we have,
and we're the minority party in the state where the
majority party pretty much controls the calendar, and so in
these in the House they have a supermajority, and then
South Carolina Senate we're one membership of them having a

(47:21):
supermajority in the Senate. But people have to understand the
big picture and understand that voting is important and it
does matter and it makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Can talk a little bit about the importance of these
state level on state and local races because on the
Democratic side of the aisle, pretty much since two thousand
and eight, when Obama was running, there's been a big
focus on the national party making sure you can win
those national elections, making sure you can progressive senators and
progressive governors and progressive presidents. But because of that, we

(47:55):
saw over a thousand seats which from Democrat to Republican
during that decade of Obama. It's kind of that period
of time, what can be done to rebuild these state
level parties so can actually have houses state houses that
reflect the demographics of their citizens.

Speaker 23 (48:12):
Well, we have to again re emphasize to the voters
in South Carolina. There's this mentality that presidential elections are
important what they call off your elections, which in my opinion,
no sort of thing as an off your election, they
don't understand that those are important. Also, as a matter
of fact, we have to make sure people understand once

(48:34):
again that every election is important. And so we have
too many people that either don't vote or they vote
against their own interests. But those are the ones who
complain most of the time. And then when they complain,
they complain to people like me who are up here
fighting and voting for what's in their best interests, and
they're giving the people who win the elections and who

(48:56):
vote against what they would like them to vote for
a free ride.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
We've got to go back and re educate our voters.

Speaker 23 (49:03):
They've just lost focus and they just can't see the
big picture that all of these elections are important. And
what's even more frustrating than in South Carolina, for the
first time ever, we now have a bill that we
fought for and finally got it passed where you can
vote two weeks early for any reason. We had absentee voting,

(49:23):
but you had to have a specific reason to vote absentee.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
But now we have early voting. You can vote early
two weeks prior to the election.

Speaker 23 (49:32):
And just like in twenty twenty two, in a lot
of places across South Carolina, the people didn't take advantage
of that convenience that we put in law for them.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Now in Georgia, we have a lot of groups like
Latasha Brown and Black Voters Matter, We have Helen Butler
and the People's Agenda. You have so many groups that
are out here really mobilizing people. Nowtoime the state went
from red to a light blue. What has to happen
organizationally in structure within the state to get these people
turning out for the mid term elections. Because when you

(50:04):
tell people that South Carolina is only one of two
states without the hate crime flaw, that seems like it
should be enough to motivate people, motivate clergy, motivate nonprofits
and civic organizations to get people out there. Because South
Carolina could be a purple or even a blue state
based on demographics. You just need the people to understand
that and get out to the polls.

Speaker 23 (50:22):
That's exactly writing you said a mouthful, But number one
is that we have to learn from the successes of
the hard work there was done in places like Georgia,
and we have to realize that Georgia can do it.
We can also, and we can be a purple or
blue state. We have areas like where I lived that
were there were just recently, just until until recently, solidly

(50:46):
blue like my counties. I live in a Crowning County,
the county that with the Briggs Versus Eliot school desegregation
lawsuit took effect that led to Brown versus Votive education.
But in twenty twenty in Clarinton County, which was always
a solidly blue county, Donald Trump won Clanning County and
that really woke up a sleeping giant. And so then

(51:10):
in twenty twenty two, although my congressman, who I have
a lot of admiration and respect for, Jim Clapburn, won
his election, but.

Speaker 9 (51:19):
He lost Clannon County, and nobody would have ever guessed that.

Speaker 23 (51:22):
So we have to look at places like Georgia and
see the hard work and the good work that they
put into and see the fruits of their labor, and
we have to emulate that we have to copy that.
We have to roll up our sleeves and go out
and get people come out to the polls and vote.
It's just as simple as that. And the other thing

(51:43):
you get on I want to address also because you
talked about clergy and the like, and that's one thing
that I think is not as strong as it used
to be, is our clergy. They have to get more
involved in not just elections, but a lot of things
that go on in our community. They can't have that
captive audience every Sunday and let those folks go home

(52:05):
without encouraging them to go to the polls of vote,
and without lecturing them about how important it is to vote.
And I'm gonna tell you, in my area and in
my region, that's not being done as much as it
needs to be. And that's another thing we have we
have to work on. We have to get our clergy.
We have to get our civil rights organization. Because I

(52:26):
believe that we can get people to the poll they'll
vote the right way, but it's just hard to get
them out to vote.

Speaker 9 (52:31):
For some reason.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
All right, let's bring the panel in. Larry. I want
to say, if we have any questions, try to keep
it short so we can give me in questions as
possible for our senator to Johnson.

Speaker 17 (52:44):
Yeah, I think the first question is I would like
that's the center is what is you of any your
managering place and some of the challenges you go, you know,
one super majority and one in one chamber and nearly
in the other. And the second one is I wanted
to also he you could talk about candidate quality because
I know we talk about black folks coming out to vote,
but also the importance of the kind of candidates you're
identifying that align with the needs are particularly of younger generations,

(53:08):
So you can talk about that also.

Speaker 23 (53:09):
Okay, I know jerry mandering is a problem, but what
we're having in South Carolina is we're having a lot
of growth.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
And the growth that we're having like along the Grand.

Speaker 23 (53:21):
Sand with the Myrtle Beach area, the rock Hill area
which is close to Charlotte, the Greenville and Spartanburg area,
which is always a solidly red area.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
That's where all our growth is coming.

Speaker 23 (53:32):
The areas that we have that are predominantly African American
or Democrat, we're losing populations. So it's not so much
as jerry mandering as it is the people who are
moving in and those that are moving out, and so
we have more I would say, diehard Republicans. We're moving
into South Carolina, moving into South Carolina, and just the

(53:53):
opposite with Democrats, they're moving away, especially in the rural
parts of our state. And so that's one of the problems.
And then the other problem is, like you said, quality
candidate candidates. We have great candidates, but as good a
candidate as you may be if the people don't go
out and vote. And I'll give you a prime example.

(54:14):
My daughter ran for the South Carolina House in two
thousand and twenty and she won, and she came up to.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
Columbia and she was an immediate star.

Speaker 23 (54:24):
I mean, everybody adored her, her abilities, her experiences, everything
about it. She had more experienced property than the person
with the most time up here. And you know, master's degree.
She's been on the school board, she's been just everything
in our community. Habitat for you, managed to Relay for Life,

(54:45):
been involved in everything healthcare business. And she had a
candidate that ran against her that was new to Clarton County,
didn't have very much education, never did anything in Clarnton
County to help anybody, and she one because to me,
mostly because the people who should have come out to
vote didn't vote. Then we had some that I use

(55:08):
the term that the President Obama used, they failed for
the Okie doc and they just you know, supported the
other sides. So in our issue, to me, it's more
than the cadidate, the quality of the candidate. It's the
mentality of the voter. And we've got to work on that.
We will work on that, and I expect that in
the election of twenty twenty four the results will be better,

(55:31):
not just because it's a presidential election, but because we're
going to make sure that the voters, as much as
we can, are much more educated.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
Now they should already be, but they apparently they're not.

Speaker 23 (55:41):
So we have our work cutout for us, and we've
already begun to try to make those points and make
those changes.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
All right, and before we run out of time, can
you talk away about what is in this bill and
why it's so important to get it passed?

Speaker 9 (55:54):
Great?

Speaker 23 (55:54):
Yeah, Well, like it was mentioned already, forty eight states
have hate crime legislation.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
South Carolina and Wyoming are the only two that don't.

Speaker 23 (56:04):
The bill is very similar to our think what you
have in Georgia, where if a person commits a crime
and he's found guilty and then it's proven our jury
finds that that particular crime was committed as a result
of hate, then the punishment is more severe. They get
additional time added to their sentence because the crime they

(56:28):
committed was hate based on race, gender, people's sex or whatever,
and just basically hate crimes. And so all the bill does,
it's okay, you committed this crime, and we find that
you did it because of hate, we're gonna give you.
Similar to the Ahmad Aubury case in Georgia, same thing
our bill does. You know you found guilty, then they

(56:51):
if the accusation is that it was motivated by hate,
and the jury agrees with that, then the sentence is enhanced.

Speaker 9 (56:58):
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The punishment all to
fit the crown.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Well, Senator Johnson, thank you so much for keeping us
updated on this, and I think with the primary being
there in twenty twenty four, hopefully we'll be able to
flip that legislature there also just going to take some
brown work. Thank you for everything. Thank you so much.
I have out Carolina. Thank you. We'll be back after
the break. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on
the Black Start Network.

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On the next Get Wealthy with Me, Deborah Owens, America's
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and yet only seven percent of them are black. What's
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opportunities and growth in their profession. Joining us on the

(57:45):
next Get Wealthy is Needy Bardanilla. She's going to be
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So the Blackness Collaborative really spawned from a place and
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It was up y'adish boy, Jacob Blatimore and you're now
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Speaker 1 (59:05):
Right now, we're going to take it down to Florida,
where the trial of former Talasee mayor Andrew Gillum and
Sharon Lehtman hits It waits a jury verdict on their
public corruption charges. Now Gillam, who is the twenty eighteen

(59:26):
Democratic nominee for Florida Governor, and Letman Hits his longtime
mentor and owner of P and P Communications, are charged
will be legally soliciting campaign donations and pocketing them in
their accounts. This morning, jurors asked for paper copies of
all the trial exhibits. The twelve person jury's signal Tuesday
that it had agreed on one count in the indictment

(59:46):
accusing Gillam of making false statements to the FBI in
twenty seventeen. But jurors said they did not expect to
reach a consensus on the other count. So let's go
back to the panel, Rebecca. Looking at these charges against Andrew,
it seems that often black candidates throughout the country have
been charged more harshly for campaign campaign finance violations on

(01:00:11):
down the line the white candidates. Why does it seem
that the hammer always comes down on black candidates.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Well, it's really interesting about the Gillam case is that
for years there were multiple rounds of undercover sting operations
targeting Guillam when he was mayor of Tallahassee. And so
you know, there's been a lot of investigation around Gillam,
and quite frankly, you know, my personal opinion is is

(01:00:39):
that they wanted to make sure that he couldn't rebrun
for Florida to rerun for governor there. Had he been
governor in Florida, it probably would have looked different in
twenty twenty as far as who actually won in the
presidential in Florida. Just like in twenty twenty four, it's
going to be very important the governor is in Florida

(01:01:01):
because I's gonna definitely impact the presidential nominations during the
primary and then ultimately in the general election. But to
the question you specifically asked me, yes, if you actually
read through the different counts and the allegations against Skillem,
you know, there are white politicians who have done very

(01:01:23):
similar things and they never got in trouble. So you know,
it does seem clear to me that there has been
a target for you know, at least a decade on
Gillum's back. And it is interesting that the jury has
been deliberating for four days. That lets us know that
it is not as easy as the government is trying
to make it seem. These allegations against Skillum.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
And Scott on the same point. Now, we seem to
see every every year or so that some black politician
around the country is caught up in one of these
campaign finance violation schemes, false or incorrect documentations games, the
former mayor of Baltimore and the Happy Holly school book thing.
But we think black politicians do way worse than this.

(01:02:09):
Although Donald Trump does this in his sleep on a
Tuesday afternoon and never were faces indict But why are
the punishment so much harsher for black politicians.

Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
Well, discretion of any federal or state prosecutor as king.
It is the difference between a criminal charge and not
being charged at all, or even being sued similar it's
up to their discretion. And black elected officials in most
jurisdictions just do not seem to get.

Speaker 13 (01:02:42):
Do not get the same fair.

Speaker 16 (01:02:44):
Consideration if you will, that they are overcharged, whether it's Gillham.
And by the way, Gillham did not put on a defense,
which means that the government's case, at least in the
Defense Council's.

Speaker 13 (01:02:56):
View, was not that strong if you will, to get to.

Speaker 16 (01:03:01):
A decision, because Gillim turned down a bride not wants
but I think a couple of times, and two this
very complicated paper trail between nonprofits and individuals and loans,
and then how the money got into Gillam's control along
with his chief of staff or his writing hand person.

(01:03:23):
Those facts get real complicated because you can if you've
got a false statements or if you're engaged in fraud,
if there are other possibilities of the basis for why
you did it that are non criminal, then that's a defense,
especially if you can bring an our own cross on
the prosecution's direct case. Gilliam doesn't have to take the

(01:03:44):
stand orders you have to put on a defense, and
so they just don't get the benefit of the doubt
of black elected officials, whether it's Marilyn Moseby who's.

Speaker 13 (01:03:55):
Charged right now with Lyne to get her own.

Speaker 28 (01:03:58):
Money out of her four fifty seven b or line
allegedly lying about buying property in Florida without knowing that
she owed the government taxes.

Speaker 13 (01:04:11):
I mean, and her defense. I'm a former defense counselor
for her. Her defense was readily available to the government.
We offered to share it with them. They would not
even meet with us.

Speaker 16 (01:04:21):
And so as a result, the harshness of the discretion
and the review by federal and state prosecutors can be
much harder than those who don't look like Maryland Moseby
or Gillum.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
And with that's gotta want to stay with you real quick.
What kind of factors would the jury be weighing when
it comes to this document's issue. You know, in the
Gilden case, it seems to be a very much document
intensive process. As you said, Gillam did not offer a
defense in the case. What exactly are they looking for.
They could result in a conviction that the.

Speaker 16 (01:04:56):
Government has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 14 (01:05:00):
That what they're struggling with is there a doubt that
I can give a reason. I'm a juror, I can
give a reason as to why I don't believe they
proved their case or that.

Speaker 13 (01:05:11):
Element of a case right, the elements, all four.

Speaker 16 (01:05:14):
Elements of those charges within the charge, that have they
proved each element beyond a reasonable doubt? And jury's struggle
with that. They've got to be convinced. It is a
very high burden on the government's part. In the defendant
in this case, guillem and as co defendent, they do
not have to say a word as they sit in

(01:05:36):
the courtroom. They are innocent in the minds of the
criminal justice system and the jurors.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
And so.

Speaker 14 (01:05:43):
Given how complex and complicated this money trail was in
the Gilli matter, I could see the jury trying to
understand hard the government's case.

Speaker 16 (01:05:53):
And if they can't understand it, they can't vote to convict.
Or they'll say that they've got a hung jury. That
is that they can't come to a decision. Remember, it's
got to the unanimous of all twelve and most jurisdictions,
and that's what they're struggling with in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
And Larry on that point, you know, we see these
things all the times with black politicians, and it's not
that black politicians are committing crimes that are higher rate
than their white counterparts. Is as Scott said, this question
of discretion when it comes to black politicians, and when
there's a which hunt out against you, when they're trying
to get you any sort of way, they will usually
find a way to at least get an indictment, even

(01:06:32):
if not a conviction. What can we do to better
protect black politician from political prosecution.

Speaker 17 (01:06:39):
Well, I think that's a good question. I think remember
this is not new. This has been going on for
years in terms of black politicians being the focus and
often trying to get a conviction for sometimes sometimes are
friplis issues, but I think it's really important. Some of
the things that we should be able to do is,
first of all, black politicians should and.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Always out work.

Speaker 17 (01:06:57):
For a former politician, they have to be constantly making
sure they're crossing all their teas and dotting on their eyes.
And then I think the other thing is they have
to be vigilant and hyper aware that at four, like
I said, frivolous things, that they certainly can be accused
of doing something that's unscrupulous. I think the other thing
to keep in mind is when we talk about politicians

(01:07:19):
and blackness, is that we know from research that black folks,
regardless if they're a high level politician or CEO, etc.
Or an entertainer, are statistically more likely to be charged
when it comes to certain crimes, you know, for more
penalties compared to whites. That's just the reality and living
in America. So they need to be hyper vigilant and

(01:07:40):
like I'm always aware of that, and also obviously keep
attorney on retainer consistently.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I tell people all the time, do not try to
play the white boy's game on the way the white
boy plays it. At the end of the day, they
can always call their dad and they'll be Okay. You
don't have that luxury. So you have to be above
and beyond on those things in general. Rebecca, going back
to you did from a political consideration that if Gillam
is indeed acquitted on these counts, do you think he
has the political future in Florida?

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
You know, the way he was intentionally taken down, even
with the so called sex scandle that occurred. It's really
interesting when that was leaked to the press in twenty twenty.
That was the Friday, I think it was March twelfth
and March thirteenth when the entire East coast shut down
due to COVID right which started the pandemic nationally. And

(01:08:36):
so we noticed that it really the story about Gillham.
The pictures that were released never really picked up in
media until I think it was a conservative news blog
with Candice Owens then teased the story out and kept
teasing the story out, and it was meant to humiliate him.
It was meant for him to just go hide and

(01:08:56):
run and to never be heard from again. I will
say there are people in Florida who are scared of
the power that Gillim has. He's a very charismatic leader.
He's been a very effective leader. When he was on
the city council in Tallahassee, he was a very effective mayor.
So yes, there are people who are scared that Gillam
could still be viable as a political candidate and ultimately

(01:09:20):
win office again in Florida. He has a lot of
value he has a lot of sincerity and he really
connects two people in Florida, which is why he and
the Santons who are neck and neck in twenty eighteen.
I believe Gillam only lost by thirty three thousand votes.
And some people will question, you know, some of the
perhaps outstanding ballots in twenty eighteen, and if Gillim actually

(01:09:42):
indeed did lose based upon on the number of ballots
that were turned in by say, all that to say
is that Gilliam is still a political threat to folks
who are who deem themselves as his political enemies in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Well, I'll just remind people that thirty three thousand vot
Gillan would have been governor instead of Arond Dea Santis.
We will not be talking about lawsuits against Disneyland and
Mickey Mouse. We would not be talking about banning CRT.
We would not be talking about banning a drag our
reading time for students. We want to be banning books.
All those things happen because of the thirty thousand votes

(01:10:20):
in twenty eighteen. So when people ask you do elections
have consequences, just think about it this way. In twenty eighteen,
before Ronda Santans came into office. Jetson or Jetson County,
Florida was one of the top rated school districts for
reading and math scores in the state. Because of Ronda Santus'
attack on public education, that school district dropped by twenty

(01:10:42):
four percentage points and reading and math scores as a
result of that. Elections have consequences, just as we talked
about in South Carolina, and we have to start focusing
on state and local races. Don't just vote for Senate,
don't just vote for president. We have to focus on
state and local races in this country. It is crucial
seeing the way these political parties were to bring down

(01:11:03):
black men when they run for office, whether that be
justin Fairfats in Virginia Andrew Gillum and Florida, Kauai Kilpatrick
and Michigan all around the country. There's a target on
your back and you have to ensure that you are
working not just even to but above board on all
issues because there are forces that want you out of
power for a reason. We're going to keep this conversation

(01:11:24):
going after the break. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered extremely
live on the black Star Network. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Today in Black and Missing, we take you to Mailbourne, Florida,
where Joey case Junior I was last named Melbourne, Florida
on April eighteen, twenty twenty three. The seventeen year old,
who also goes by the name Jojo as five foot
ten inches tall, weighs about one hundred and fifty pounds
with black hair and brown eyes. Anyone will information about
Joey Chase Junior to call the Mailburn, Florida Police Department

(01:13:51):
at three two one six zero eight six seven three one.
Of course, were hoping for the safe return mister Kse
Junior back to his family at a hopefully we keep
their family and our thoughts and prayers. We're going to
hit some headlines and Jackson, Florida police officers connected to
the death of a black man have been fired. Forty

(01:14:12):
one year old Keith Muriel was killed on New Year's
Eve following an incident with officers called to an extended
stay motel for a non emergency call. Avery Willis, James
Land and Casanova Red were terminated for a policy violation.
As unclear as the violation directly related to mister Murill's death,
but this comes as the Mississippi Bureau of Investigations wrapping

(01:14:34):
up its investigation into the case. Case. King Kenya McCarthy
was also fired in February connected to this case. The
bodycam footage has yet to be released, despite claims in
February that the video would be released once the investigation
was completed. Muriel family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit
against the now former officers the laws and claims the

(01:14:55):
officers were used excessive force, deadly force, and failed to
render medical aid to Muriel. I remind people the door
flowed Justinson Policing Act is still sitting in Congress, and
also the now Tyree Nichols duty to intervene amendment to
that law is sitting in Congress. They could pass a budget,
they could pass an infrastructure bill, they can pass a

(01:15:16):
inflation reduction act. We have to hold their feet to
the fire when it comes to passing police reform. Also,
we want to talk about the tragic incident involving a
black door desk driver who was shot and killed in
Kansas City, Kansas, during a traffic stop on Wednesday night.
According to a report, a Kansas City, Kansas police officer
attempted to pull over twenty five year old door desk

(01:15:37):
driver A Marion Henderson's vehicle for a traffic violation when
a confrontation occurred, resulting in shots being fired. Henderson was
shot and the officer was taken to the hospital where
the victim died. The officer is reported to be in
stable conditioned with minor injuries not caused by a gunshot.
It is unclear if the man who was shot was

(01:15:58):
armed at the time of the incident. The investigation into
the incidents being handled in the Kansas City, Missouri Police
Department and the community calls for throwing investigation into the
circumstances surrounding the shooting. I want to bring the panel
in on these two stories together, and Rebecca, I'm going
to go to you first. It seems that we could

(01:16:18):
literally just do a show every single night of the week,
just doing a wrap up of all the black people
being shot by cops in this on a daily basis.
I think we're all tired of talking about it, but
yet it still it continues to occur. What has to
happen in order for us to get legislative movement on
this on the national level. As I mentioned, we talk

(01:16:39):
about the transigenin Congress. But you can pass a one
point seven trillion dollar infrastructure bill. You can pass a
one point five trillion dollars build back better build the
inflation reduction AT. You can pass the Respect for Marriage
AT for gay and interracial marriage. You can pass a
three point five trillion dollar infrastructure bill. You can pass
a stop Asian hate crime bill. Things are getting done.

(01:17:00):
So Congress is not so intransitent that nothing is getting done.
How can we ensure that our agenda works its way
to the front.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
You know, I gotta have a unique taken this tonight
because you're right. Every single week while we're on here,
and almost every single night I when Roland Martin does
this broadcast, we're always talking about black folks who are
being extra judiciously killed by law enforcement in America. What
would be really interesting if we started to see the

(01:17:29):
NRA and other pro gun rights organizations similar to the
Guns Right Organization at the top of the program tonight,
as well as gun manufacturers actually speaking out against unarmed
black people being shot and killed by police. Because bottom line,
these black folks who are unarmed who are getting killed.
They're being killed by these guns. So it's not gonna

(01:17:51):
this issue isn't going to be just solved by black
people speaking up, because folks get it, Black folks don't
like this happening. But it's gonna to take other folks
from outside of our community. It's going to take gun
manufacturers to speak up. It's going to take insurance companies
who have to assure these police departments, who have to
assure these police unions. It's going to take them speaking

(01:18:13):
up and say, hey, we're going to drop these entities
as clients because we can no longer for the payout
when they're doing these killings that are outside of the law.
So it's going to take more than just us.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
And Lara just kind of piggyback on that same point.
You know, President Obama put out his roadmap on twenty
first Century Policing nearly a decade ago. We've talked about
body cameras ever since trade for a decade now, we've
talked about more training, et cetera. What has to happen
for us to finally put some peace behind these things
and say, look, we can sue these officers in their

(01:18:47):
individual capacity for the crimes they commit, we can hold
them responsible for their torts as with anybody else. And
why is that seeming to be the most controversial thing
in American politics today?

Speaker 17 (01:19:00):
Well, I think we need to understand that this is
all rooted in the anti blackness that's for her first
and foremost. While we don't have comprehensive you know, police reform,
we can also thank Tim Scott, who's from now right
now sets running for presidents. You alluded to earlier that
why we didn't get a bill at the federal level,
there is zero chance that any kind of police reform
comes out of the House the way it is is constituted.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Now, that's not happening.

Speaker 17 (01:19:22):
But I think that in terms of the advocacy, we
need to continue to put the pressure on policy makers
at the federal on state level. You mentioned we have
an election coming up here next year, so obviously the House,
the Senate, and the White House or in play. And
then you talked about federal state elections, there are you know,
local elections and importance of that. So we have to
continue to navigate and focus on reasing people to vote,

(01:19:44):
highlighting the impact that you know, violence when it comes
to law enforcement and the black community in particular, how
not only in terms of those the lives are lost,
but in terms of the mental health impact. Right, So
we talked about the racial of fatigue in terms of
members of the black community. Obviously, when he talked about
these shows today or you know the parts, we feel
that emotionally. So there's not only in terms of the

(01:20:05):
families there or the communities impacted, but in terms of
members of the black community who may live in other
states and hear about these stories. So it's a cumulative effect.
So once again, in terms of advocacy standpoint, we need
to continue to register people to vote, talk about why
these issues continue to happen in our black community as
it relates to anti blackness and white supremity, white supremacy
in the United States, and continue to put the pedal
to the metal.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
And Scott to that point, as we talked about with
Senator Johnson, the Democratic primary starts in South Carolina in
twenty twenty four. We always hear these stories. Well, Joe
Manchin said, y'all black folks have to keep getting shot.
Christian Cinema said, we can't do anything about y'all black
folks getting shot. We really wanted to stop y'all black
folks from getting shot. But you know what had happened was,

(01:20:49):
oh my bad. I've done around out of time. I'll
be back next time. The vote one more time, and
next election, I promise we'll stop y'all black folks from
getting shot. Given that we are have more power in
that twenty twenty four primary that we've ever had before
in a Democratic primary, what do we need to be
demanding when it comes to police reform so that we
won't have to put it behind all the other things

(01:21:09):
in the Democratic portfolio going forward?

Speaker 16 (01:21:13):
Voting is important, but I don't have any confidence the
Democratic Party valuing the black vote.

Speaker 13 (01:21:20):
Because they valued the black vote, they would have passed.

Speaker 14 (01:21:23):
The George Floyd legislation, they would have passed the Voting
Rights Act when they controlled all three houses, and they
didn't do it. You know, when it comes to police
violence against black people, let's accept this proposition. I'm not
saying don't fight against it, but that white America does
not care about how many times did police shoot black

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women and black men.

Speaker 13 (01:21:47):
They don't care because if they cared, they stop doing it.
I mean, it's twenty twenty.

Speaker 16 (01:21:53):
Three, We've had four hundred years of racial violence against
black people in the last twenty five certainly we've seen it.

Speaker 13 (01:22:01):
And yet every day police.

Speaker 16 (01:22:04):
Black or white, then blue line, not black versus white,
is just the police culture of.

Speaker 13 (01:22:11):
Killing black people. And so America doesn't care.

Speaker 16 (01:22:15):
America doesn't care about the mass shootings of poor black
children or rich white children. They've shown you that they
value the Second Amendment far more than they want to
stop the mass killing.

Speaker 13 (01:22:27):
Just had one in Atlanta.

Speaker 16 (01:22:28):
And so I think the first step is accepting the
proposition of this imperfect country of ours called America that
we love the Second Amendment and we don't care how
many people get killed due to access to guns in
part that we will accept that as a fair exchange,
which was certainly larceny.

Speaker 13 (01:22:50):
And so now when you accept.

Speaker 16 (01:22:51):
Those propositions, as harsh as it is, you can go
vote and try to get black people to vote, and
all of the Democratic groups to get out and vote.
But they won't vote nationally or locally because for whatever reason,
we don't value the vote.

Speaker 13 (01:23:08):
And so I'm very frustrated.

Speaker 16 (01:23:10):
I've been doing rolling for five years, and every time
I'm wrning, I'm talking about police shootings and voting and.

Speaker 13 (01:23:15):
Getting Black people to just vote, and it just we've
got to.

Speaker 29 (01:23:19):
Figure out another way to do it so that we
are effective and efficient in solving these issues because the
results are tragic for black people, but the fixing it
just seems like it's so simple, makes all the sense
in the world, and yet we as.

Speaker 13 (01:23:36):
A community just can't do it.

Speaker 16 (01:23:38):
And our allies that you think we would have, they're there,
but they're not really there.

Speaker 13 (01:23:45):
And you don't have anywhere else to go vote.

Speaker 16 (01:23:47):
If you don't vote Democratic, you certainly are not going
to vote GOP and you're not going to have a
winning vote if you vote for an interdependent and so.

Speaker 13 (01:23:54):
Black people are between a rough spot and a rock.
They really are, and this sols are there. Implementation seems
to be our biggest problem.

Speaker 16 (01:24:04):
Put our energy into implementing and getting folks to the polls,
not just voter education, but voter participation.

Speaker 13 (01:24:12):
I guess that's the best first step.

Speaker 16 (01:24:14):
But I don't have any confidence in black people or
this country resolving the African American problem.

Speaker 14 (01:24:22):
It's been a problem for America as race ass for
four hundred years, and I don't think we're any closer.

Speaker 13 (01:24:27):
Maybe we're better, but we're not closer to resolving it
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Well, look, and for me, I think we need to
have a black Margery Taylor Green. We need a black
Lauren Bobert. We need a black Matt Gates.

Speaker 7 (01:24:41):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Now, this is what I mean by that. We saw
that Speaker of the House vote earlier this year that
it only took about ten of those Manga Republican House
members to twist the arm of Kevin McCarthy and get
out every single concession that they thought Kevin McCarthy gad them,
concessions they didn't even ask for. In order to to

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speak of the House of Representatives, we need someone to
stand in the breach for black people and say, look,
this is the point at we will not do any
other business in the Congress of the United States of
America until we put these issues of black men and
women being killed by their own government front and center
at number one. Because right now we're dealing with a
debt ceialing crisis. The reason Kevin McCarthy put out this

(01:25:24):
MAGA budget is because of those ten people in the
House of Representatives. So there's no way you can tell
me that ten MAGA Republicans and Marjorie Taylor Green have
more power than the entire Congressional Black Caucus, the largest
caucus in the Congress right now. And because Democrats know,
just as you said, that we're between a rock and
a horror place, that we're between this question of do

(01:25:45):
we allow fascism to take over the country or do
black people turn out and vote? When we have to
harness that power that Democrats have to make the decision. Look,
if you can pass at one point seven trillion dollar
infrastructure bill, you can pass at one point five trillion
dollar bill, that better skinny bill, inflation reduction at whatever
we want to call it, the passive gay marriage and
the interracial marriage Bill, top Asian hate Crime bill, and

(01:26:06):
you can push through an executive order on the Dobson Minute,
the passing three point five trillion dollars omnibus spending bill. Clearly,
you can get something done. As a question of priorities,
do you want to and do you care about black voters?
And until we make them there, until.

Speaker 13 (01:26:22):
We Robert, we're going to the same thing doesn't because
he hadn't made.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
But Robert, we did have someone who was trying to
push the line. We asked Sathia mckidney from your home
state of Georgias. I did not to send her back.
So we did have some black people in our Congressional
Black Caucus delegation that was willing to go there to
ask questions and to be an agitator. So when we
have had that, those people didn't last. So I don't

(01:26:53):
know if it's just as simple as black folks, or
even Democrats for that matter, having a Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Look, I understand the difficulties. Some people might just have
to be one for congress people, but at the end
of the day, we have to make some kind of
different Just as Scott said, we all come here every
week to talk about black folks getting shot. At some
point enough have to be enough. We'll be back after
the break. You're watching Roland Marder unfiltered streaming live on
the Black Storm Network. I think Roling might be with
you on the other side of this present. We'll be
right back.

Speaker 30 (01:27:26):
That was a pivotal, pivotal time and literally Kevin Kevin
Hart telling me that he's like, man, what you doing, Man?
You got to stay on stage, And I was like,
I'm like, you know, I'm thinking about and he was
absolutely right.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
But what show the jail at that.

Speaker 30 (01:27:45):
This was one on one during that time, and I'm so.

Speaker 8 (01:27:48):
You doing one on one going great, you're making money.

Speaker 30 (01:27:52):
You're like, I'm like, I don't need to need I
don't need to need from you know, Wednesday, Thursday to Sunday.

Speaker 19 (01:27:57):
You know, I just don't want to do that.

Speaker 30 (01:27:59):
You know, it's just like I gonna stay here or
I didn't want to finish work Friday, fly out.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
Go do a gig Saturday Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:28:05):
I was like, I don't have to do that.

Speaker 30 (01:28:07):
And I lost a little bit of that hunger.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
That I had.

Speaker 8 (01:28:10):
In New York.

Speaker 30 (01:28:11):
I would hit all the clubs, run around, you know.
Sometimes it's me in Chappelle or be in this one
or that one. We go to the comedy cellar one
in the morning, and I mean that was our life
and we loved it. You know, you get two shows
in Manhattans, go to Brooklyn, leave Brooklyn, go to Queen's,
go to Jersey, and I kind of just I got complacent.

Speaker 19 (01:28:31):
But I was like, I got this money.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
I was good.

Speaker 30 (01:28:34):
I don't need to go I don't know to go
chase that because that money wasn't at the same level
when I was making But what I was missing was
that training.

Speaker 8 (01:28:43):
Yes, that was that, And it wasn't the money.

Speaker 30 (01:28:45):
It was the money, you know, it was that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
That's what I needed.

Speaker 18 (01:29:04):
We're all impacted by the culture, whether we know it
or not, from politics, from music and entertainment.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
It's a huge part of our lives.

Speaker 18 (01:29:11):
And we're going to talk about it every day right
here on the Culture with me Faraji Muhammad, only on
the Black Star Network.

Speaker 8 (01:30:14):
Hey, folks, Roland Martin here, I am at the Dallas
Airport literally just landing from Los Angeles. Flight was laid
a couple of times as well. Robert Bertillo is sitting
in the host chair today for the last week where
we've been trying to get our next guest. Of course,
last Tuesday, Harry Belafonte passed with the age of ninety
six and one of the folks who certainly has a

(01:30:36):
considerable insight into his work, their friendship, his friendship with
remend DODR. Martin Uther King Jr. Is my good alf
brother ambacheador Andrew Young. He joins us now on Roland
Martin on Filtered Ambassador. Always great to be able to
see you in chat with you.

Speaker 19 (01:30:53):
Very good, always good to talk to you, especially about
somebody that has meant so much to this nation and
the people people of color all over the world. I mean,
he was not only known in Jamaica, but of Africa.
Uh he and Stokely Carmichael went to Guinea because I

(01:31:18):
mean Guinea Conakry, and he was he was he was
a student of Paul Robson, and he came up an
active studio along with Sidney Poitier and Marlon Brando and

(01:31:43):
Paul Newman and then all of the all of the
folks that that you saw at the march on Washington
getting off that plamee from California were Harrish friends almost
from from childhood. And he literally committed his life not

(01:32:03):
only to being a performer, but to being a liberator.
And in fact, I dare say that his liberation activities
for every bit is important to him as his performances.

Speaker 8 (01:32:24):
What are the two of you first meet first connect?

Speaker 19 (01:32:32):
Well, I think I was out in California in nineteen
fifty three or something like that and went to a
concert and I didn't see him then, but it was
a few years later. I well, I don't know where

(01:32:57):
we first met, but he would just show up anywhere
the movement was going on. And I started working with
Martin Luther King in sixty one, and that's when he
showed up in our offices. And he was actually running

(01:33:21):
a fundraising office for the movement for SEOC and SNICK
there in New York. Clarence Jones was a part of it.
He's now out in California. My Angelo was a young
girl coming in from Africa and she worked in that

(01:33:41):
office for a while. And he just rounded up people
who who were good people and who wanted to see
Martin Luther King and this movement continue. We never raised
more than a million dollars a year, I don't think.

(01:34:04):
But we wouldn't have raised that if it hadn't been
for Harris running the office in New York, but also
having concerts all over the place with anybody who would
perform with him.

Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
When he and I talked, he talked about getting that
phone call. The first meeting that he had with doctor King.
He said it was supposed to be a twenty minute
meeting and turned to a four hour meeting, and he
said that I was that. He said, I make a
decision to follow this young man wherever he was going
to go, and that's exactly what he did. And so

(01:34:47):
many people really don't understand how critically important it was
to have folks like Harri Belafont, to have Dick Gregory,
to have a Sydney Poitier, to have African Americans who
were entertainers utilize their celebrity, their influence to do what
was necessary, whether it was bringing it entertainers, whether it
was raising money, whether it was a serving as advisors.

(01:35:11):
Just talk about how crucial that was as y'all were
trying to build up momentum, all the different campaigns you
involved in.

Speaker 19 (01:35:20):
Well, let me say that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
For me.

Speaker 19 (01:35:25):
We were in New York just before doctor King went
to Memphis, and we were talking about how to get
the energy of the movement to sustain itself in politics.
And that was the last time they met until Harry

(01:35:51):
showed up at Martin's funeral. But then I went to
see him about helping Selc carry on, and he said,
but Martin said we should move toward politics, and I said, yeah,
I've been looking for somebody to run, and Julian didn't

(01:36:15):
want to run, Jose Williams didn't want to run. I
was thinking that we could have someone in Savannah, someone
in Atlanta, and someone in Birmingham, someone in New Orleans,
and we could would really have an impact. And when
I said, nobody really wants to run, he didn't say

(01:36:37):
anymore to me. He turned around and he called his wife,
Julie and told her to see if she could find
a weekend when Lena Horne and Sydney Potier and Tony
Bennett and any of his friends were in town. And
she said what for? And he said, We're going to

(01:36:59):
have a benefit and is running for Congress And I said.

Speaker 6 (01:37:03):
No, not me.

Speaker 19 (01:37:04):
I said I'm an organizer. I'm not the one to run.
And he said, nobody else wants to run. It looks
like you got to run. And that was the beginning
of my political career. Then you got calling. Uh started
calling his friends all over the country and telling them

(01:37:26):
that they had to call help me. And I got
a call from Clarence Avon, whom I had never heard of,
and he he cussed me out, said asked me, was
I crazy stirring up things down there? And I said
I may be. He said, well, if you crazy enough

(01:37:47):
to run, I'm crazy enough to help you. And and
then He said, what would you do if Isaac Hayes
and Bill Cosby came to town. I said, I'd read
the baseball say him, but I said, I don't have
money enough to even call him on the phone. He said,
I didn't ask you for any money. And the next thing,

(01:38:08):
I know, three weeks later, there were signs going up
saying Bill Cosby and Isaac Hayes who were going to
be at the Atlanta Braves baseball Stadium. I mean, it
was It was really a magic the way he functioned
in politics, in show business, but also with world leaders.

(01:38:33):
He could go almost anywhere in the world and not
only be known, but they would know him as a
progressive vision and voice that was there to help.

Speaker 8 (01:38:54):
The thing that I think is remarkable to that particular
point that you just made there is that now the
king gets murdered, assassinated April fourth, nineteen sixty eight, and
folks begin to do different things. You talk about being
in politics as well. But when I look at both
of you post the Black Freedom Movement, meaning the you know, officially,

(01:39:18):
the emphasis on economics on the poor was always there.
And when you talk about him traveling, you know the
same for you the movement and the message travel all
across the globe, and so folks welcomed both of you
in so many different quarters. When I look at Nelson Mandela,

(01:39:38):
the effort to get him released, and then of course
him becoming president, both of you, you and mister Bewood
right there.

Speaker 13 (01:39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:39:46):
But even before I got to Nelson Mandela, Arthur Ash
came to Atlanta to a tennis tournament and one is
and it turned out that the promoter of the tennis
tournament happened to be from South Africa and asked Arthur

(01:40:10):
if he would come to South Africa and play. Arthur wrote,
ten people, eight black, I mean eight white and two black.
The two blacks, Bob Green of Michigan State and myself
both told him to go, and he said, well, why
don't you go with us? And in nineteen seventy four
we spent a whole week sitting in the government box

(01:40:36):
with all of the all of the people that had
my folk locked up. Now, I wasn't uncomfortable with that
because I that was sort of my job in the movement,
was to kind of communicate with the white community. When

(01:40:59):
we went to Birmingham, we were talking about going to
Birmingham in December, toward the end of December, and Martin said, Andy,
do you know any white folks in Birmingham? I said no.
He said, you got a month to find some. And

(01:41:20):
that was the difference between us and say Black Lives Matter.
We were not rushing and we had we had actually
then two months to prepare before there was a demonstration.
We had had about four four meetings with the business

(01:41:42):
leaders and clergymen, and we had we had negotiated basically
what we wanted before we had a single demonstration.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:41:55):
And it was it was that kind of patience and
preparedness that allowed us to well, just to stay alive.

Speaker 8 (01:42:08):
Gotta go to a break hod tight one second, Ambassador,
We're gonna pay a couple of bills. We're gonna come
back and chat with you a little bit more about
the late great Hair of Belafonte my panel. They also
will get to ask you a question as well. Folks,
you're watching Rolling Martin Unfiltered as we continue paying tribute
to Hair Belafonte. He passed away last Tuesday the age

(01:42:29):
of ninety six. You're watching Rolling Martin Unfiltered right here
on the block. Started network.

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Have low levels.

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Speaker 10 (01:44:00):
Up next on the Frequency with Me de Barnes, our
special guest Alicia Garza, one of the founders of the
Black Lives Matter movement.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
We're going to discuss her new book, The Purpose of.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Power, How we come together when we fall apart.

Speaker 11 (01:44:13):
We live in a world where we have to navigate.
You know, when we say something, people look at us funny.
But when a man says the same thing less skillfully
than we did, right right, everybody boks towards what they said,
even though it was your idea.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Right here on the Frequency on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 18 (01:44:32):
So we're all impacted by the culture, whether we know
it or not.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
From politics, from music and entertainment.

Speaker 18 (01:44:43):
It's a huge part of our lives, and we're going
to talk about it every day right here on the
Culture with me Faraji Muhammad, only on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
Welcome back to Rolard Martin Unfiltered. We continue our conversation
with Ambassador Andrew Young with regards to her Belafonte Ambassador.
One of the things that I think was a lot
of people really don't understand if if they read hair
of Bellefonte's memoirs. Uh, his apartment served as a refuge
for doctor King whenever he came to New York, but

(01:46:08):
also sort of as the mediation grounds for all of
the different factions in the civil rights movement. And there
were there were so many different stories he talked about
in his book with these discussions in these sort of uh,
these mediation events happening in his apartment.

Speaker 19 (01:46:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:46:28):
Can you share with us what what what those moments
were like and the role that he played.

Speaker 19 (01:46:35):
Well, it was Harry's show, and you didn't get to
say no. He called me one night and when I
was Ambassadors to the United Nations, and he said, I
need you to come by and have a sandwich with
me tonight and When I got there, Shimone Parrish, the

(01:46:56):
Prime Minister of Israel, was there and he wanted to
talk with me about helping to get involved with the
Palestinians and getting the Palestinians and Israelis together. Now, when
I said that to the State Department, nobody believed it.

(01:47:18):
But we spent with Stony Cooks. We spent about four
hours and he knew everybody. I had another occasion when
he did a benefit for us in Paris, and when
I got over there, he said, oh you were you

(01:47:39):
one of these little righteous country boys. But I'm gonna
turn you on to Paris. And I said, well, I'm not.
I'm not a high life sort of fellow. And he said, well,
you never met Bridget Bardow. I said no, But I

(01:48:01):
said I don't she's a young kid. I said, I
prefer older women. And the next thing I know, I
gave him a couple of names, and the next thing
I know, he grabbed me and doctor King and said,
come on, I want you to go somewhere with me.

(01:48:23):
And we were in the hotel in Paris where all
of the stars stayed, and he took me down to
this lady's room whose name I had called, and I
didn't have any idea who she was. I mean, I
knew who she was when I saw but she threw
her arms around me and pulled me in and pulled

(01:48:47):
me down on the couch sit next to her husband,
between she and her husband, and I was, well, I
was so. I mean, you had to be always ready.
I mean, he knew everybody, and everybody loved him and
respected him. The same thing with before Mandela got out

(01:49:12):
of jail. It was always Bishop Desmond too too, or
he'd show up and there would be Miriam mckeber, and
of course Sidney Poitier was with him in the very beginning,

(01:49:33):
and he just he just got along with everybody and
he put everybody almost all over the country on a
liberal agenda.

Speaker 8 (01:49:50):
Questions from Pamlist for Beck, I'll start with you your
question from Bassador Andrew Young.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Ambassador Young, how you doing?

Speaker 16 (01:49:59):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
It was very nice. It's a pleasure to meet you.
When I think about breaks like you who were architects
and generals and soldiers within the civil rights movement, I
often think about the strategy that you all had, and
then I compare it to my generation.

Speaker 19 (01:50:15):
We have the.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
Technology, we have the money. We have a lot of access,
but we seem to lack strategy with how we choose
to carry on with the movement. So what advice would
you have for folks in my generation with how can
we be more strategic?

Speaker 19 (01:50:31):
And there was and that's what I say.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
I said that.

Speaker 19 (01:50:37):
That Black Lives Matter happened in sixty seconds. I mean
in nine minutes and forty one seconds. Everybody in the
world was watching. George Floyd died and it was an

(01:50:59):
immediately organized protests. All the way down in New Zealand
they were watching. Now, there were sixty bombings of black
people's homes in Birmingham in nineteen sixty one, sixty two,
and early sixty three. And this is before the church

(01:51:20):
was bombed. Fred Shuttlesworth's church had been bombed three times
in sixty one and sixty two. And we were right
here in Atlanta, one hundred and fifty miles away and
we didn't know it. They didn't cover anybody. I mean,
I heard of m attil I'm from New Orleans. That's

(01:51:44):
not far from Mississippi, and I drive through that part
of Mississippi all the time because my wife was from Alabama.
But we never knew about m Attill until his body
went back to Chicago, and his mother insisted that Jet

(01:52:05):
magazine and Ebony Magazine put his his his body on
the picture on the cover of Ebony magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
And so.

Speaker 19 (01:52:22):
What we we we we didn't have, I mean, we
really didn't even have telephones. I mean we we had
to find somebody and not everybody in seldom had a telephone.
And we had to know the two or three people
in a neighborhood that we might be able to run
to and call somebody somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:52:41):
We we were in the dark ages, really, and so
we had a lot more planning time, and and and
and it was also we knew how dangerous it was. Now,

(01:53:02):
when you got ten thousand people out of the street,
it's not nearly as dangerous as that. When Martin Luther
King went to jail in Birmingham in sixty three, there
were only fifty one people with him, persons with him,
and it wasn't any big march. And we were always

(01:53:22):
small and vulnerable. I got beat up in Saint Augustine, Florida,
and there wasn't even any press there, and I didn't
know how bad I had been beaten into almost ten
years later when we've got access to the police files.

(01:53:43):
And so it was a different time. And I think
if we had known the dangers we were facing at
that time and faced up to it, we might not
have been so courageous. A lot of it was, you know,
the Lord will lead you and he'll tell you what

(01:54:03):
you need to know. But we didn't know. And Martin
Luther King, Martin Luther King's I mean, he used to
do a Richard pryor a kind of act where he

(01:54:25):
would talk about somebody trying to shoot him and one
of us jumping in front, trying to get our picture
in the paper on television and taking the bullet for him.
And then he'd start preaching your funeral and he'd say
everything you'd never want said in church about you. But

(01:54:50):
what he was doing, he was making us laugh at
the possibility of our own death, and of course he
was laughing at his death. And it's it's a different time.
And I think that you all are collecting the fruit

(01:55:13):
from the trees that we planted, and I think things
are going very well. I mean I really do. At
least we got all of the the crooks out in
the open, and everybody knows it.

Speaker 8 (01:55:35):
Uh And Scott, that's that's the funny wright down bachelor,
Scott Bowlder, what's the question, Ambassador Young?

Speaker 16 (01:55:48):
Great to see you would miss you on the board
of trustee at Moorhouse College, but none of your business
with your foundation.

Speaker 14 (01:55:55):
My question to you is it's so hard for athletes
and entertained to have a consciousness about our Black community
and the struggle our community faces.

Speaker 13 (01:56:06):
In twenty twenty three.

Speaker 14 (01:56:08):
Who do you see on the entertainment stage that's the
next Harriet Belafonte that just passed away?

Speaker 19 (01:56:19):
You know, you don't know? And I mean I see
in a different way. I see the hip hop community
here in Atlanta. And they were one of the kids.
He was a fifteen year old and was the chairman

(01:56:39):
of the Mayor's Youth Committee when I was mayor in
nineteen eighty two. And you know, he's fifty years old
now and he's building. He's building low and moderate income apartments,

(01:57:04):
and he's opening restaurants and he's still performing. He and
T I kill a Mike and T I and others
and ludicrous, And I mean, I am very impressed with

(01:57:26):
the fact that they're in business. Because the movement was
about redeeming the soul of America from the triple evils
of racism, war, and poverty. And this is the time
that we've got to get out of poverty. And we
get out of poverty by making money and reinvesting money

(01:57:48):
in our own communities. And you know, the the new
millionaires are. I mean I went to somebody's house about
two months ago and there were two hundred people in

(01:58:13):
the basement sitting in chairs. Now that means that's a
big house with a big basement. And they were all
they were all millionaires. And they, I mean of them
were black, and they were they were there because the

(01:58:37):
African American Museum in Washington and the Smithsonian was trying
to get some black folk interested in supporting our museums. Now,
we set out when Maynard became mayor, uh, we set

(01:58:58):
out to see that black folk made money. And I
was I was very proud. Just the other night, I
I ran into the the treasure of the

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