Black & Tax Audit, SC Critical Race War on Education, Jordan Neely Funeral, Remembering Jim Brown

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Marte Today Friday, May nineteenth, twenty twenty three, coming up
rolland Martin Onnfiltered, streaming live on the Black Start Network.
The greatest running back to ever play professional football, Jim Brown,

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is dead at the age of eighty seven. We will
talk about his life and legacy with a number of people,
including sports journalist Jim Trotter, also Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk,
and others.

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That will be in the second hour of our show.
You do not want to miss that. Also on today's show.

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Black People, why are they five times more likely to
be audited by the Irs? Will talk with a tax
expert about how to protect yourself. South Carolina join a
list of states that have waged.

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War when it comes to UH education, critical race theory.

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And I warned you all about Moms of Liberty and
so Michael Harritt has a four point series on the
Route where he talks about what these folks are doing
that's literally destroying black education in South Carolina. You don't
want to miss that conversation, folks. Uh it is time
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All right, folks, Let's get things started here on rolland
Martin Unfiltered again. Jim Brown Bricky news. Jim Brown, the
great NFL player, the greatest running back in history, passed
away today at the age of eighty seven. His wife
released that information on social media announcing his death. His wife,
his wife Monique. Of course, he was a star football

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player in college, star in the NFL, play only nine
seasons left at the height of his career, finish as
the all time greatest rusher in NFL history, a record
later broken by Emmitt Smith. In the second hour of
Today Show, We're going to pay tribute to Jim Brown.
A number of people are going to be joining us
talking about his life and legacy.

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But also remember it wasn't just what he.

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Did on the field in Hollywood, but also when it
came to community groups and also anti gang initiatives. And
so there are a number of folks will be chatting
with journalists as well as activists as we talk about
remember Jim Brown again dead at the age of eighty seven, folks.
The Eternal Revenue Service admits that black taxpayers are more

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likely to be subjected to financial investigations than any other group.
That's actually just absolutely stupid. According to The New York Times,
RS Commissioner Daniel Wirfold sent a letter to the US
Senate detailing their research indicating the audit disparities. The letter,
in part says a recent study estimated using imputed race values,

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that black taxpayers are audited at three to five times
the rate of.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Non black taxpayers.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
The research further suggests that most of this disparity is
driven by differences in correspondence audit rates among taxpayers claiming
the Earned Income tax credit. We're deeply concerned by these
findings and committed to doing the work to understand and
address any disparate impact of the actions we take. Joining
us now is an IRS registered tax repairer, the owner

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of Infinity Taxes and beyond Douglas Loss and from River
Ara Beach, Florida, Douglas Glad to have you here, Roland
Mark unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
What the hell seriously, I mean, ain't like black folks.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
I mean, if you want to be audit somebody, all
of these rich ass white folks who are cheating the
government out.

Speaker 8 (06:36):
Of millions, Brother Roland, I appreciate the time. It's always
a pleasure to be here. I had a conversation with
my buddy yesterday when this was posted, and his first
response to me, the sky's bluing water is wet. It's happening,
it's continuing to happen. And because they found out that
it's actually disparity. At five times the amount of non

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tax on black taxpayers are being audited, it's ridiculous. So
when we have five times the amount of our black
folks that are being audited by the I R S
and the disparities that are currently set, we have to
understand that the system is working exactly how it was
created to work. It's not broken. It was created against
our communities and we have to be very intentional about it.

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So I really want to thank, you know, our representatives
that sent out letters to investigate this. Represented Bill Pascrell
from from New Jersey. He said, I need to find
out about what's going on because this is disgraceful and
must end. So thank you Representative Bill Pascrell for standing
up for our community and fighting this injustice that was
set forth against our community.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
So they're they're they're claiming this is tacked of the
Earned Income tax Credit.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
Explain, So they're claiming that the EIC credit is the
reason that the algorithm is causing for the the audits
to be presented and the majority of them are looked at.
It's non race bait, non it's not income based. It's
based exclusively on some of the credits that are being received,

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but low and behold, these credits are predominantly going to
minority and low income families. So that's why a larger
amount of individuals are currently being audited from our community.
So the EIC credit, the Earned income Credit that it
actually is causing for the trigger of the audit was
put in place and actually addressed by the representatives that

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have set the code to see who is determined to
be audited and who's going to be taxed at a
higher amount. So if we have to look at who's
being taxed, why are they not auditing, As you said,
the higher income class, the individual's business owners, the individuals
that actually have the ability to hide and shuffle funds
around that created the code, versus actually the ones.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
That are just trying to make a living.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
So looking at this right now, we have to look
at the significant wealth gap that's between white and black races.
You have twenty six percent lower income in a white
household from a black household, one hundred and fifty percent
lower media net worth from a white household to a
black household. Yet we're being a higher rate of audits
in a black household versus white household. There's obviously this

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parity that's being done, and we have to address that immediately.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
So what should folks out there be doing to protect themselves.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
So they say that it's race blind, it's not.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
There ain't no way hailing three times, three to five
times more black people race blind.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
It's not low and behold.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
They put a code in place that's going to audit
more black people than there are any other race. So
it's not economic neutral. It's not race neutral. It is
based upon a randomization, and that's the only way that
we can genuinely actually audit clients properly that we can
do the proper taxes, taxes across the board.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
They're taxing us at a higher rate when.

Speaker 8 (09:58):
You have individuals that are making more income that are
paying less tax than the low and median income families.
It's ridiculous because they understand the discrepancies and disparities that
they have to address. They understand that they actually have
tax barriers and benefits with home ownership, with business ownership.
So this is not being taught to our families, but
we're actually being ordered at a higher rate and then

(10:18):
actually having to pay back taxes because we're trying to
take some of the credits that they've put in place for.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
The upper class, for the individuals that create this code.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right, And that's the point that I make. It was
not created for us, it was created for them.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Listen. I say it all the time. I served on
the city council in my city, and the reason I
started to serve this community is because I saw the
systemic racism that was created. And if we don't have
a seat at the table, we cannot change these laws.
So it doesn't matter white, black, Hispanic Asian. When you're
at the table and you're making decisions, you have to
fight for us. Again, I'm going to thank democratic representative

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from New Jersey because he fought for us.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
He said, this is disgraceful.

Speaker 8 (10:59):
Any individualist sitting at the table, you have to be
a decision maker, So as a tax provider, as somebody
that's actually providing this code. It also being a policymaker
in my city. I understand that if we're not at
the table, we are going to be on the menu.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Well this is I mean, absolutely crazy. But look, we
know what it means to be black in America.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
It hasn't changed.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
And as my buddy said, Olu told me, water is wet,
sky is blue.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Nothing's changed. This is who we are.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
But we have to continue to fight for what is right.
So random audits is what we have to truly do.
Do not base it upon any code that directly disparages
our community, based upon a randomization where one through six
they're picking number four. Whatever it takes to not address
the concerns that we have that's being causing for us
to be segregated, causing for us to be repressed, causing

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for us to be put into a position where we're
discriminated against.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Absolutely Douglas. I appreciate the man fakes.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
A lot for the rolling. I appreciate the time as always.

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All right, folks, let's bring in our Friday panel. Glad
to have them here.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Matt Manning, civil rights attorney, he joins us now, glad
to have Matt, Matt, Matt, we'll hotel you in now
and get that get that Orange Texas pillow out of
the shot.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
We can't we can't have that.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
You know, black and burnt orange don't go together. Matt
joining us from Corporus Christi of Corys. We have Michael
m Hotep, hosts the African History Network show out of Detroit.
Thank goodness, he ain't got no sigma crap in the
in the shot?

Speaker 20 (15:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
And then Corus from South Orange, New Jersey. Legal analyst
Candas Kelly. Glad to have all three of y'all on
the show. Cannis, you see this here? I mean, who
these folks think they fooling? We know black folks are
being targeted.

Speaker 21 (15:47):
Listen, anytime that you are black in America and you're
walking around the streets and something about something feels a
little bit off you, You're probably right and assuming that
it is because you are black in America.

Speaker 19 (15:58):
So when I hear about the I R and the
audits that have probably been unlawfully done, I'm just here
waiting for the lawsuit.

Speaker 21 (16:05):
There are a lot of people who are going to
be going back in their records and saying, why was
I audited?

Speaker 19 (16:11):
Was I a part of this?

Speaker 21 (16:12):
And you know that there's a discrimination lawsuit going And
let me tell you, when we talk about the IRS,
we are talking about mental anguish and distress, and I'm
sure that there's going to be some type of distressed
part of the lawsuit that's going to.

Speaker 19 (16:24):
Be a big part of it.

Speaker 21 (16:25):
Because anybody who knows when the IRS is on your back,
it is stressful, It is stressful. So I expect a
lawsuit to be common.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh and man, I mean, my goodness.

Speaker 22 (16:35):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
We talk about folk with the lowest.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Wealth in this country and being hit three to five
times more when you gots all these rich folk who
beta ones who really need to be targeted.

Speaker 23 (16:50):
Yeah, I don't think that's wrong at all.

Speaker 24 (16:52):
And I think what's especially insidious about this is the
idea that when you look at the earned into tax credit,
where you're talking about it is people below a certain
meetian you know, home ownership or rather home asset value
right or assets in their homes. So that means to
me that there's an implication that these people are people
who are allegedly defrauding the irs right, when in reality,

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to the brother's point earlier, we know that the people
who are in business and who have the greatest means
are those who employ the greatest means to avoid paying
the most taxes. So one the dog whistling theres is
readily apparent. But beyond that, our tax code is one
that caters to a higher echelon of earner. So the
idea that the lowest echelon of earners, which here obviously

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dovetails with black and brown people unfortunately because of the
disproportion in our society, shows that there's an implication that
people are cheating the system, and these are the people
who are not cheating the system are in fact the
people who are not that the system is created for,
which is the richer folks. So I think you're right,
and I think Candice is completely right. I am interested

(17:56):
in what the standing issue will look like regarding tax
pay But for the IRS to come out and say
this is pretty extraordinary, but I bet it.

Speaker 23 (18:04):
It's been going on for many, many years at this point.

Speaker 25 (18:07):
No doubt.

Speaker 26 (18:08):
Michael, Yeah, Roland, you know this is not surprising. What
I want to know is what does this equate to
in total dollar amounts that African Americans have to pay
as a result of being audited, like owing more to
the IRS.

Speaker 18 (18:27):
What is that total amount nationwide?

Speaker 26 (18:30):
And then also it's important so this deals with the
systemic racism as we all know, except for black conservices.

Speaker 18 (18:36):
It's also important to note.

Speaker 26 (18:38):
That African Americans pay thirteen percent more in property taxes
each year as well, and this is documented. There was
an article Washington Post had in July twenty twenty that
talks about this as well, and one hundred and property
taxes from one hundred and eighteen million households across the
country were reviewed and they found this as well. So

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this is something and it has to be corrected. In
the article from the New York Times, they talk about
the algorithms, but we also see that there can be
systemic racism in these algorithms as well.

Speaker 18 (19:10):
So this has to be fixed.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Indeed it is as me fixing. Hopefully it gets done.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
The folks today in Harlem, family and friends gathered to
pay their respects to Jordan Neely, the black man who
was choked to death on a New York subway train
station by Daniel Penny. Reverend Al Sharpton actually preached the
eulogy at today's funeral. Of course, he was killed on
May first, and Perry has subsequently been arrested. A former

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marine been arrested for second degree manslaughter, where he was
released on one hundred thousand dollars. Bill now Penny claims
he stepped in to protect himself and other subway passengers
from Neely. Now Pennies next coordate is scheduled for July seventeenth.
You've heard a lot of folks again sharing their thoughts

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and reflections on Jordan Neely.

Speaker 21 (20:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
He often was someone who was on New York subways
dancing as he was a Michael Jackson uh impersonator. And
you know, look, he had his issues, but he was
he was an unhoused man. And again everyone knows there's
no reason in the world that this man should be dead.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
As a result, again, at today's funeral. Reverend L. Sharpton
preached the eulogy of Jordan Neely today. Uh here is
some of what he said.

Speaker 27 (20:46):
We keep criminalizing people with mental illness. People keep criminalizing
people that need help.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
They don't need abuse, they need help.

Speaker 27 (21:03):
I want to know who called the order that it
was all right for this man to choke this brother
to death and go home and sleep in his bed.

Speaker 22 (21:16):
Who gave the.

Speaker 18 (21:17):
Order that it was all right to release him.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
We can't live in a city.

Speaker 27 (21:23):
Where you can choke me to death with no provacation,
no weapon, no fret, and you go home and sleep
in your bed while my family gotta put me in
a cemetery. That must be equal justice under the law.
The sick part about it is that he'd been choked

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much of his life. The agencies that failed to keep
him and given mental.

Speaker 18 (21:53):
Health choke Jordan.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Those that let him go even.

Speaker 27 (21:58):
Though they had his record of needing help, they choked Jordan.
The city agency's choked Johndan. He'd been choked most of
his adult life. He's an example of how you're choking
the homeless, how you're choking the mentally ill, how you
choking all over this city.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Folks again, Jordaney laid the rest to day in Harlem.
Crazy story at Washington, d C. A federal grand jury
indicts a Washington d C. Metropolitan Police Department lieutenant for
his role in the January sixth domestic terror attack.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
But here's what's crazy about this story.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
This lieutenant supervised the intelligence branch of the Metropolitan Police Department.
He tipped off former Proud Boy member leader Enrique Tarrio
about a pending warn for his arrest just ahead of
a January six attack. Shane Lemon was in I on
one count of obstruction of justice and three counts of

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making false statements to try to stem from the investigation
into burning a Black Lives Matter banner in December twenty
twenty when the Proud Boys were roaming the streets of
DC for a pro Trump event. According to the indictment,
Tarrio and Lemon communicated at least five hundred times using
cloud based messaging services between July twenty nineteen and January

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twenty twenty one. Trio and other members of the far
right group were recently found guilty of seditious conspiracy in
connection with the Capital attack. Now, Tarrio was not in
DC on January sixth, a judge banned him from the
city the day before the attack. This story here is
pretty crazy, Matt, because you have a DC cop who's

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over the intelligence unit, who frankly is alive with the
Proud Boys.

Speaker 24 (23:54):
Yeah, and this is a situation where when the federal
judge sentences this gentleman, he's going to be sentenced with
all of the force of the law, as he should be,
because what makes this particularly problematic is not only that
he was in a position of power and a position
of authority, and not only that the conduct itself is seditious,
but the idea that he would be contacting and communicating

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with somebody over five hundred times using a you know,
a clandestine system to feed information is terrifying because it,
you know, it begs the question how much information was given?

Speaker 23 (24:28):
How much did he facilitate?

Speaker 24 (24:30):
And right now he may be looking at the least
of the charges that ultimately come, you know, right now
as construction of justice in lying, but it could ultimately
be sedition. It could be all the way up to
treason if it's found with the prosecutors that you know,
what he was communicating was directly facilitating this attack on
the Capitol, which we know is obviously one of the
greatest documented affronts to democracy in the history of this country.

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He should not only have the book thrown at him,
but it should be very terrifying to all people out
there to consider that the police, which we know are
not obviously beyond reproach, would be intimately involved in facilitating
a terrorist attack on the seat of government.

Speaker 23 (25:10):
That is a crazy thing to say. And that's what
we're seeing here.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Apparently can is here go to my iPad.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Lemon worked as the supervisor of the intelligence branch of
MPD's Homeland Security Bureau. And what's crazy here is that
these two were in regular contact regarding Proud Boys plan
activities in the district.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Of Columbia, and these and and and all of these.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Uh, these Republicans want us to believe that you don't
have law enforcement align with these white supremacists. And then
this guy Laman actually told people, well, because Tario and
others were Hispanic, they were not racist.

Speaker 19 (25:48):
And that's that's the ridiculous part about it.

Speaker 21 (25:50):
You have hundreds of texts dealed with communication telling the
Proud Boys.

Speaker 19 (25:56):
Where protesters are people who would be against them.

Speaker 21 (25:59):
Now the prow always say, well, they told us that
information so that we would stay away. Proud Boys are
not known for going away from from things that are
going wrong or things that you know, protesters, they.

Speaker 16 (26:11):
Go to the action.

Speaker 21 (26:12):
And that's what was going on here, and that's why
he was fired someone in his position, a position of
power like that, someone who was supposed to be doing
something opposite than what he did. This is why, as
was spoken on the panel already.

Speaker 19 (26:27):
This is why he's going down. He is going to
have the book thrown on him.

Speaker 21 (26:30):
It's not going to be just this, It's going to
be more because they're going to see a connecting of
the dots as to the information that was given to
the Prowd Boys and how they disseminated themselves amongst the crowd,
amongst the people in order to carry out violent acts.

Speaker 19 (26:46):
If you go online right now, you will see several.

Speaker 21 (26:49):
Videos of the Proud Boys hitting other people, you know,
slamming other people down, and then the police just saying
you need to go on your way.

Speaker 19 (26:58):
That would never happen if it was anybody black, woman
or man.

Speaker 21 (27:03):
No one would ever get away with the police saying
I see you've hit someone and assaulted and battered someone.

Speaker 19 (27:09):
But now you go to walk away. So there's so
much evidence that we haven't even heard about.

Speaker 21 (27:13):
This is just the beginning of the crack, and it's
going to crack wide open, and we're going to get
a lot of information and this man is going to go.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Down back to my eyepad. Here's what it says here, Michael.
It says in the indictment. On November seventh, twenty twenty,
vote counts reveal that President Joseph R. Biden had won
the twenty twenty presidential election, and several news organizations begin
reporting this fact. At one o eight pm on November seventh,
twenty twenty, Lambond, this is the cop. Y'all text Tarrio,

(27:41):
Hey brother sad sad news today you all planning anything?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Trio responded yep.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
At two t and PM on November seventh, using Telegram
that's an encrypted app, Lamon told Tarrio that need to
switch to encrypt it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Alerts are being.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Sent out to lawn l E law enforcement at social
media website accounts belonging to your people are talking about
mobilizing and quote taking back the country, getting people spun up.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Just giving you a heads up.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
At two fourteen pm on November seventh, twenty twenty, using telegram,
Torio sit Laman and audio message at two sixteen pm
on November seventh, using telegram, Laman told Tarrio, got your voice.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Messages, just giving you a heads up. Please keep this
between you and me.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
So here you have Michael Discop not happy that Biden
is president. He's sitting here converting with a white supremacist
member of the Proud Boys and giving them a heads
up on information and saying, hey, go to the encryptive
app so we can talk.

Speaker 18 (28:42):
Yeah, Roland.

Speaker 26 (28:43):
And at the same time, I'm not surprised because white
supremis have always been involved in law enforcement. Okay, I know,
for instance, I know people periodically will get a report
that say white supremis have infiltrated law enforced.

Speaker 18 (28:57):
That they haven't infiltrated anything. They've always been in there.

Speaker 26 (29:00):
When you go through the Goodman, Shaanna and Cheney June
twenty first, nineteen sixty four, of Philadelphia, Mississippi, killed by
the ku Klus Klan.

Speaker 18 (29:07):
The three civil rights workers.

Speaker 26 (29:09):
It was the sheriff who tipped off the klan in
which direction they went after he released them, and the
klan caught them right before they crossed the county line.

Speaker 18 (29:18):
So I'm not saying this is succeptible.

Speaker 26 (29:20):
We need to fight this, but this does not surprise
me at all, and people like him need to be
held to the full extent of the law.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Indeed, indeed, all right, folks, hold tight first of all,
before I go to the break. Sheriff indicted for this
took place in Georgia. We didcover this story here.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Georgia.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Grand Drudge indicted three former law enforcement officers for beating
a black inmate inside the county jail. Former Camden County
Deputy Ryan Beagle and detention officers Mason Garritt and Braxton
Massy are facing charges of battery, simple battery, and violations
of oaths by a public officer. The incident that happened
in September when the three officers were calling Vince, you're
beating Jared Hobbs, who was initially hit with ten additional

(30:03):
charges after the incident, but those charges were dropped once
the video was released. If convicted, the officers could face
up to twelve.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Months in jail.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
However, the violation of oath by a public officer charge
is a fielding with the possible punishment of one to
five years in president. So again, glad to see that happen. Now,
let's see they get convicted. All right, folks, got to
go to a break.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
We come back. We're going to talk about mons for Liberty.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
I've been warning y'all what happens when we set out
school board elections. We're Michael Harry is going to join us.
Is a fourth part series with the route we broke
down how these white crazed derange, anti CRT, white hardcore
conservatives are taking over black school districts, firing black superintendents

(30:53):
and they're in control of our kids' education. It is
a despicable thing that's happening, not necessar South Carolina, but
all up the Southeast folks, and they are they are
not stopping. We'll explain next. I'm rolling back unfiltered right
here on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 28 (31:11):
That was a pivotal, pivotal time and I really Kevin
Kevin Hart telling.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Me that.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
He's like, man, what you doing?

Speaker 15 (31:19):
Man?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You got to stay on stage and I was like, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 28 (31:23):
You know, I'm y'all, I'm thinking there, I'm good, And
he was absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
But what showed deal at that. This was one on
one during that time, and I will show you. So
you're doing one on one, going great, You're making money.

Speaker 18 (31:36):
You're like, I'm like, I don't need to leave. I
only need from you know, Wednesday, Thursday to Sunday.

Speaker 15 (31:41):
You know, I just I don't want to do that.

Speaker 28 (31:43):
You know, it's just like I'm gonna stay here, or
I didn't want to finish work Friday, fly out, go
do a gig Saturday Sunday.

Speaker 15 (31:50):
I was just like, I don't have to do that.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
And I lost a little bit of that hungry.

Speaker 27 (31:54):
That I had.

Speaker 16 (31:55):
In New York.

Speaker 28 (31:55):
I would hit all the clubs and running around, you know,
sometimes be in Chappelle or be in this one or
that one. We go to the comedy cellar one in
the morning, and I mean that was our life and
we loved it.

Speaker 15 (32:08):
You know.

Speaker 29 (32:08):
You get two shows in Manhattans, go to Brooklyn, leave Brooklyn,
go to Queen's, go to Jersey, and.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I kind of just I got complacent.

Speaker 18 (32:16):
But I was like, I got this money, I'm good.

Speaker 15 (32:18):
I need to go.

Speaker 18 (32:19):
I don't know, to go chase that because that.

Speaker 30 (32:20):
Money wasn't at the same level that I was making.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
But what I was missing?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Was that training?

Speaker 15 (32:27):
Yes, that was that.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And it wasn't the money.

Speaker 28 (32:29):
It was the money, you know, it was that.

Speaker 31 (32:31):
That's what I needed.

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Speaker 4 (34:17):
You might remember me warning you about this group called
Moms for Liberty. We had one of those crazy nutcases
on the show. Was the woman's named Keisha King, absolutely nutcase,
and they were of course attacking critical race theory. Republicans
have been using a CRT h to. Of course, you know,
get folks all hyped up, and these folks are largely white.

(34:38):
Now you got some got some nutcase black folks who
are part of Mom for Liberty.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
But we have seen the net result of what they did.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Well, they started doing it, started running people for school boards,
and they were highly successful in taking over school boards
in the southeast Florida, South Carolina and some other places. Well,
Michael Harriet with the Rutter has done a f part
xpos a breaking down how devastating, uh, these folks have
been in South Carolina, how they have been taking over

(35:10):
school districts, firing black superintendents, and they are literally now
in many way cases in control of the education of
our children.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Michael Herritt Jones is right now. Michael, glad to have
you back on the show.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
You know, this was something that you know, I kept
warning folks that that it's very easy, Michael, to take
over school board races because because one, you don't have
a lot of you don't have a lot of people
who are voting. Folks don't pay a lot of attention
to these races. We spend more time on of course, presidential,
US Senate, congressional gubernatorial races.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And this is the way that the right has always
been able to take over things, and we've seen this
in Texas, in Florida and other places. But what these
folks are doing, I mean, Steve Bannon and the others
actually said this is what they were going to do.
They were going to infiltrate and take over school districts
in order to control the curriculum and the hiring fire
and the superintendents and teachers.

Speaker 25 (36:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, it is, you know, one of the things, one
of their tactics, right.

Speaker 34 (36:15):
But I would argue that what the school board elections
is is quite the opposite, right, Like, I think that
they are using school board elections to turn out their
disinterested voters. Like if you imagine that the average white parent,
you know, doesn't care about Trump policies.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
You know, they know that he's screwing up America.

Speaker 15 (36:36):
They know that the.

Speaker 34 (36:36):
Republicans don't have an agenda, right, So how do you
get them excited about turning out?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Right, Well, you're.

Speaker 34 (36:44):
Threatening their children with this bogeyman called TRT.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And so they've been using CRT because you.

Speaker 34 (36:51):
Know, in a lot of school districts, the elections or
the school board elections are held during you know, the
government's elections, during the Senate elector.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
And so they increased their turnout.

Speaker 34 (37:02):
We saw in Richmond County, South Carolina, the highest rate
of white turnout in fifty years because of this this
CRT nonsense that how they paid a CRT, because you
have to be specific that they're not.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Talking about CRTs.

Speaker 34 (37:18):
They've created a whole new definition, but they are using
it to turn out voters for all of the Republicans agenda.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Right, And so then in what we saw, we saw
in twenty twenty two a dramatic decrease in black voter turnout.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Right, right. We saw that.

Speaker 34 (37:40):
We saw that because part of it was the flip
side of like, I think a lot of black voters
got complacent after they got trunk out of office, and
you know, we didn't organize, and we just assumed that a,
We're going to turn out like we always did, not
knowing that like black to turn out as an ongoing efforts,

(38:02):
and not taking into account all of the efforts that
have been used.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
To suppress black voters since Trump.

Speaker 34 (38:07):
Came into office, right, And so I think we got
a little bit complacent while they were motivated by this
brand new thing, Like they weren't concerned about the Mexican
caravan anymore or immigration anymore, so they had to have
something and they coalesced around this idea of critical race theory.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
So, my Michael just sharing people again how devastating it
has been with these folks now in charge.

Speaker 24 (38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
So one of the things that we did with the
GRILL is we looked at three specific cases.

Speaker 25 (38:40):
Right.

Speaker 34 (38:41):
So the first case was a woman named Gloria de Boute, Right,
she is like one of the godmothers of what we
call culturally responsive teaching, and we looked at how they
turned culturally responsive teaching, which has been around for thirty years,
into critical race theory and used she was responsible for

(39:03):
basically training.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Every educator in the state and how to teach black
children more effectively.

Speaker 34 (39:09):
She runs a center at the University of South Carolina,
the largest university.

Speaker 25 (39:13):
In the state.

Speaker 34 (39:14):
Right, And so what they did is they basically made
it illegal in separate and disc school districts to even
hire her to teach their children how to you know,
how to teach that their teachers how to teach black children.
And remember this is right after George Floyd was killed.
So school districts were saying, well, we got to get

(39:36):
some more African American education, history literature.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
And what these parents did.

Speaker 34 (39:41):
Is mobilized in Richmond County, South Carolina, which is sixty
four percent black. The district is majority black, the schools
a majority black. But they managed to overturn and flip
the school board because all they needed was two seats, right,
and so all of the white people, which are a minority,

(40:01):
voted for those two candidates. The top vote getter was
a woman who won by fourteen point seven percent.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
So if all of the white people.

Speaker 34 (40:12):
Vote for those conservative candidates and they split the black
vote amongst the other eleven people running for office, then
the white people can can affect elections with their small
minority of voters. And as soon as they did it,
they kicked out. Like the superintendent of that district had
been awarded by every educational association that year in the

(40:34):
past two years as superintendent of the Year nationally, locally, statewide,
he had a wall full of awards.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
They kicked him out.

Speaker 34 (40:44):
In Berkeley, South Carolina, Berkeley County, South Carolina, the superintendent,
the black superintendent, was the first black superintendent he had
worked for that district for twenty one years, they took
over the school board. They flipped the school board by
changing the state law putting all of the black school
board representatives up for elections, eliminating one of the districts,

(41:04):
and again using that small minority, they elected an all
white school board, kicked out the guide. And then what
they're doing is they're paying these people huge severce packages.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
But you got to remember these are majority of black places.

Speaker 34 (41:20):
So the black people are paying for these problems to
go away while the white people are doing it and
reducing the education, the history, the culture of black people
in the education system.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Michael Hold type one second, I gotta go to break.
We come back over the continua having this conversation and
bringing our panel as well. Folks, trust me, this is
their strategy and they want to do this in school
board elections this year. They want to do the in
twenty twenty four. So don't think this is sort of
a one off.

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Speaker 4 (44:47):
Welcome back, Rollard Martin unfilter We're talking to Michael Harriet
has a four point series on the Route that talks
about this group Mom for Liberty, what they are doing
in South Carolina and how it really has devastating consequences
for a black leadership and for our children. Michael, when
you were doing the research for all of this and
writing this, what was the one thing that really just

(45:08):
jumped out and that made you go, damn, this is crazy.

Speaker 37 (45:14):
Well, the most interesting part of it to me is
that you have a woman like Gloria Boutet who's literally
been on every continent teaching how to teach minority children
you have Baron Davis who's won every award. You have
Deon Jackson, who has a doctorate, who's been in that
school district for twenty one years. And then they are

(45:39):
battling just random uneducated white people like the woman Jerry
Few who led the effort in Kuryshak County against Boutet,
Like she doesn't even have a college degree, Like she
is just uneducated. The women all over the country who
are starting this movement. The woman in Berkeley County doesn't
even have a child in county schools. The president of

(46:02):
Berkeley County Moms for Liberty, the woman in Richland County,
she doesn't have a degree in education. Even the guy
who started this whole thing, Christopher Ruffo right who said
he was quite intentionally redefining critical race theory as everything
that white people hate. He doesn't have any education experience
or training in education.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
And that's the crazy thing.

Speaker 37 (46:23):
Like you have like the most excellent black people going
up against white people who just believe things, who've never
studied critical race theory, who've never studied education, who've never
even studied who doesn't even have a tie to the
education system in their district.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Wow, and again, for them, this is not about education,
it's about political power, it's about control, and it is
about putting black folks in their place. That's open up
for my panel. Questions for my panel, Cannas Kelly you first,
you know, so.

Speaker 21 (46:56):
Moms for Liberty they have chapters all over and they're
recruiting people heavily. I'm wondering, what do you think, in
your estimation is the equivalent of what we can do.
We already have organizations in place. What do we do
to combat Moms for Liberty that is, you know, basically
recently just formed, and we've got organizations that have been
formed for years.

Speaker 19 (47:16):
How do we jump in? What do you see as
part of the solution.

Speaker 37 (47:21):
Well, I think part of the solution is doing just
exactly what Roland is doing, right, telling people about the
threat that they pose. But I think also right so
in these anti CRT laws that they have concocted, right,
is stuff that like we should turn the tables on
them if they don't want us to teach about black history,
Like we don't want them to teach what makes our

(47:41):
kids uncomfortable? Why should what did our kids have to
learn about Thomas Jefferson?

Speaker 25 (47:45):
Right?

Speaker 7 (47:45):
Like he was a slave owner and a slave rapist.

Speaker 37 (47:47):
Why did they have to That makes my kids feel uncomfortable.
George Washington chased on a judge down until the day
he died, so that makes my children feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 7 (47:56):
We should use their laws to our advantage.

Speaker 37 (47:59):
If they want jerry mander black people out of the
education system, then we want to jerrymander their lives and
all of their history of racism out of our children's heads.

Speaker 26 (48:12):
All right, Michael, Hey, Michael, look at it's good to
talk to you. I've been following this whole anti critical
race theory a lot and talked about it on my show.
What I wanted to know is, I remember when this
anti critical race theory push was beginning, you had Democrats

(48:33):
who were reluctant to fight back against it, to call
out the lives that are being told by the right
things of this nature. Now this has exploded and you
have people gaining political power through local school boards. What
do you think we should do now? I understand what
you just said about flipping it around and saying talking
about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, but overall strategy to

(48:56):
really fight this and take back this power.

Speaker 18 (48:58):
What do you think is the African Americans should.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Do right now?

Speaker 37 (49:04):
Well, first of all, we have to fight it from
the inside. We have to fight it with our individual teachers,
right because one of the things that people don't realize
is like if there were people superintendents and school board
members who wanted to teach critical racity, Like, school boards
don't really control the curriculum, right, So what we have

(49:25):
to do is fight at the state level to make
sure our history is included in our curriculum. What we
have to do is fight at the school board level
to make sure that the people who attend those meetings
aren't spreading these lives. And what we have to do
most importantly is recognize that the history of the school board,

(49:48):
the people who are running for school board and their candidates,
we should know about those candidates as much as we
know about the people who are running for governor and
president and secretary of state, because those are the peop
people who like For instance, in Richmond County, they ran
this black conservative right, so they got some white people,
all the white people to vote for her, but a

(50:08):
few black people saw, ooh, that's Aakeisha up here, so
we're gonna vote for her not knowing that she was endorsed.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Looks like we lost we lost Michael's speed there. So
if y'all can get Michael back so we can finish
the interview. I mean the thing here Michael, Candice and
Matt is again, these people are organized, They're mobilized. There's
a very clear and specific strategy. And what they've done

(50:41):
is they've caught folks slipping Matt in areas that people
don't don't pay attention to. And I've spent a lot
of time over the years, not just rolling Mord unfiltered,
but was at TV one time during the Morning Show
saying folks do not fall asleep on these school board races.

Speaker 18 (50:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (51:00):
I think you're exactly right.

Speaker 24 (51:01):
And not only that, what they're doing is leveraging, you know,
nebulous terms like liberty and freedom to galvanize support among
people who are also not going to apply the critical
thought to see what is in fact being protested. That's
what makes this so much more dangerous is not only
that you're attacking down ballid races that you know, people
don't know as much information about and therefore are not

(51:24):
as invested in, but beyond that, people you know, see freedom,
they see liberty, they see you know, words of these nature,
and may be behind something that they wouldn't ultimately be
behind if they thought more critically about it. And I think,
you know, this conversation is so crucially important because we've
talked about it on this show ad nauseum.

Speaker 23 (51:43):
Most people have no idea what critical race theory actually is.

Speaker 24 (51:46):
They leverage the dog whistle because they hear the word
race and think, oh, I don't want my kids being
taught all this black stuff that makes me feel bad
to be a white person. That's ultimately what it comes from.
And that problem if you don't have it countered with
people who are running active lead of our people who
are running actively for the school boards, then you get
them stacked with people who not only have no education,
but have no real desire to imbue the kids with

(52:10):
the actual truth.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
We're gonna have.

Speaker 24 (52:12):
Generations to people who have no idea what their actual
history is because their teachers are prevented from being taught
it because some angry mom thinks that it's you know,
comports with liberty to keep that from her children.

Speaker 23 (52:23):
So that's the problem to me, is the reverberation effects.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
And what you're dealing here, Michael, is real simple, and
that is it is about power and control.

Speaker 26 (52:37):
Absolutely, That's what I was going to say. That's one
of my notes, Roland. We have to stop telling the
African Americans to vote for exercise. You don't vote to
exercise your right to vote. You vote for power. This
is about power acquisition.

Speaker 18 (52:49):
And what Stephen K. Bannon and others have.

Speaker 26 (52:52):
Taught these white conservatives is that the road to political
power in America is through local school boards. And what
happened was they tapped into the frustration that a lot
of these white people had with COVID nineteen restrictions where
their children having to wear masks, masks in school, things
of this nature. They went from that to this creating

(53:17):
this boogeyman of critical race theory that, as Matt and
the others have said, most of these conservatives can't define
what it is.

Speaker 18 (53:24):
And then, and what Christopher Ruppo said.

Speaker 26 (53:26):
Was he said they were going to take everything that
caused this comfort amongst white people put it under this
umbrella of critical race theory. Okay, so if you read
something in the newspapers that you didn't like or thought
was crazy, you say, oh, that's critical race theory. The
problem that we have on our side, and the problem
with many Democrats, which is why need a Democrat nor Republican,

(53:49):
is that there was no plan to properly respond to
that plan coming from the Conservatives. Cornell beck Belcher, the
uppolster Cornell Belcher America. He talked about on MSNB see
how he had been in many meetings with Democrats early on,
and he was telling them, you have to confront what's
coming from the right weaponizing critical race theory. He said,

(54:12):
many Democrats, many of these white Democrats, didn't want to
do that.

Speaker 18 (54:15):
This is why we have to have strategies that are.

Speaker 26 (54:18):
Independent of a political party to push our own agenda
and protect us from white supremact nonsense like this.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Well, again, what I keep saying to people is look,
majority of the kids in public schools, so they are
black and brown.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
And if we are sitting on the sidelines and sitting
out these elections, it's very easy to come in run folks,
take take some resources, and take it over. And I
keep telling people this is going to be happening in
South Carolina, North Carolina, rural areas in the city as well,

(54:55):
and so we got to be very cognizant of all
of this because this is is a fundamental problem. And again,
this is how they are that, this is how they
mobilize us. As Michael Harriet said, they were using this
to energize their base. It was driven by race, It
was driven by white fear. I laid out in my
book this is what it was all about. And so, frankly,

(55:17):
a lot of us were not paying attention. There were
hundreds of thousands of black people in South Carolina did
not vote in twenty twenty two. This is how they
This is what they did.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
And what did they do. They went in.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
They start firing black superintendents, start firing black educators.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Folks, this is real. This is real.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
And if you're sitting and watching right now and you're saying,
I don't see any big deal with this, do understand.
This is going to spread and you're going to look
up and they're going to be in control of places
where African Americans are in the majority. And we frankly
can't blame anybody but ourselves when we are not doing
our part to stop them. When we come back, Jim Brown,

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the greatest player to ever played running back, some aren't
say he's the greatest football player ever got to the
age of eighty seven. But his legacy wasn't just about football.
It was also in Hollywood. It was also in civil rights.
It was also an anti game work. We will discuss
his life and legacy next right here, a rolling nonfiltered
on the Black Star Network.

Speaker 17 (56:24):
Next on the Black Table with me Greg Carr. Democracy
in the United States is undeceased on this list.

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Of bad actors.

Speaker 17 (56:33):
It's easy to point out the Donald Trump's, the Marjorie
Taylor Greens, or even the United States Supreme Court.

Speaker 18 (56:39):
As the primary villains.

Speaker 17 (56:40):
But as David Pepper, author, scholar, and former politician himself says,
there's another factor that trumps them all and resides much closer.

Speaker 18 (56:50):
To many of our homes.

Speaker 17 (56:52):
His book, His Laboratories of Altocer's a wake up call
from behind the lines.

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So the State House get hijacked by the far right,
then they jerry mander, They suppress the opposition, and that
allows them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect
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David Pepper joins us on the next Black Table Here

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Speaker 2 (58:39):
He starred at Syracuse University.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Should have won the Heisman Trophy, but racism from any
hit from doing so. Jim Brown goes to the NFL
becomes a three time MVP. Was a nineteen sixty four
NFL champion, nine time Pro bowler, eight time First Team
All Pro. Elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame
class in nineteen seventy one, name to the NFL one

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hundred All Time Team. He is considered the greatest running
back to ever play the game, folks. He played nine seasons,
retired at the top of his game, finished as the
NFL career rushing leader, a record that was later broken
broken by Emmitt Smith. Jim Brown leaves the NFL, goes

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to Hollywood, begins to start in a number of movies,
partner with Richard Pryor actually on a movie studio, and
then of course he was very much involved in economic issues,
civil rights, anti gang work which Jim Brown did a
significant amount in his life and career. He passed away
today at the age of eighty seven. This was the

(59:48):
announcement that was released posted on social media by his
wife Monique, alerting folks about his passing. She wrote it,
it's with profile sadness that I announced the passing of
my husband Jim Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
He passed peacefully last night at our LA home. To
the world.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
He was an activist, actor in football stat to our
family in football star. I'm sorry to our family. He
was a loving and wonderful husband, father, and grandfather.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Our hearts are broken.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Tributes have been pouring in all across social media. The
NFL released their tweet announcing announcing his pass to go
to my iPad please. This is of course what they
posted here announcing all of his stats. This is a
video they also posted of Jim Brown playing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Again.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
He was he had everything he could He could run,
he could catch, he could block, he was fast, and
he was strong. He was an incredible, incredible athlete and
someone who again every running back in NFL history is
measured by when they talk about running backs. He is

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simply the gold standard in professional football. But the thing
about it, he wasn't just a football player. He also
was a lover of lacrosse in many ways. Paul Robson,
who also was a star athlete, he also loved lacrosse
as well. And Jim Brown actually one said that he

(01:01:26):
would rather play lacrosse for six days and play football
on his seventh day. This right here is Jim Brown.
This is with from the Premier Lacrosse League. Jim Brown
talking about lacrosse.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So respected it and loved it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
I understood that it ought to be a great lacrosse
before we got.

Speaker 30 (01:01:50):
You have to master the stick, rambo protecting, spinning back
and forth, rambo slips on stars, and the cross.

Speaker 10 (01:02:02):
In order to be an MVP, you have to have
a lot of things going for you. You have to
be a great sick handler.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Stoars. Everybody bites on the field stick.

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
Which mean you can maneuver a ball in your stick
maybe better than anyone that's playing the game.

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
Schriemer.

Speaker 10 (01:02:20):
You have to have an overhead underhand shot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Again, so when you look at so you look at
what he did Syracuse. He played football, he ran track,
he was on the cross He was a truly all
around athlete. But again, Jim Brown's legacy is not solely
about athletics. Is also about his work when it comes
to the nation's youth, when it comes to anti gang work.

(01:02:45):
He founded the group American, and of course he was
very much involved in that. You talk to gang members
in Los Angeles and other parts of the country, the country,
they'll tell you about Jim Brown coming into a lot
of dangerous areas. I'm sitting down with young folks brokering
peace deals as well. Koob Blake Terray is executive director

(01:03:07):
of American in Illinois. Good Blake, glad to have you
on the show for folks again who don't know, who
don't who don't know what the work that Jim Brown
was doing in communities. Share with us what it was
like working with him with the Illinois chapter. All right, Terrey,

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are you there?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
All right? Are you there? Can you hear me?

Speaker 25 (01:03:38):
Yes? Sir? Here you brother, go right ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Just share your thoughts about the work that Jim Brown
did with his organization.

Speaker 38 (01:03:47):
Jim Brown Program Brothers started here in Chicago at the dealth.
My son got killed in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 25 (01:03:56):
At that time I was doing so Jim came in
town and he brought the American Program.

Speaker 38 (01:04:06):
He set me down and explained to me about the
American Program. The young brother the leader game that killed
my son because of brother Jim Brown met with that

(01:04:27):
young brother man and let him know that I was
gonna kill him because he was the leader of the
game that killed my son.

Speaker 25 (01:04:38):
But Jim Brown told me.

Speaker 38 (01:04:40):
The brother is the kuplin that listen, He said, we
all make mistakes.

Speaker 25 (01:04:46):
Man.

Speaker 38 (01:04:46):
He said, that's a young brother needs some leadership. And
the problem that we have that a lot of brothers
out here don't take time out. He should help some
of these young guys. He said, Now, if you helped film,
you can help the American Program because that's what it's

(01:05:07):
all about. And that works that young brother right today, Martin,
my work is the work of the American in Chicago
is deep. But we never got no kind of help
other than from brother Jim Brown, and the program was
self sufficient. There's one reason I never reached.

Speaker 25 (01:05:29):
Out to Jim for new help.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
One of the things that one of the things again
people don't know just the number of times he mediated
disputes between gangs.

Speaker 25 (01:05:43):
Rolling very very valid point because of Gym.

Speaker 38 (01:05:48):
When he came in this city, he would would get
with me and there would gonna be a lot of
hot issues flying up and Jim will go in those
area with me and sit down till with them brothers.

Speaker 37 (01:06:00):
Man.

Speaker 38 (01:06:02):
But a lot of people don't understand.

Speaker 25 (01:06:03):
And also rolling is this state built penitentiary.

Speaker 38 (01:06:10):
Jim Brown and I went to State Buil Penitentiary, talked
to a lot of brothers behind the walls. A lot
of them guys had a lot of influence out here
on the street. And because we talked to a lot
of them guys, you know, he was able to relate
to him about the American Program. And when he got
a lot of them guys got out. I ran the
American Program in Chicago, and in Chicago we said educate

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before you educate, communicate and participate.

Speaker 25 (01:06:37):
It's a process.

Speaker 38 (01:06:41):
In the national level, it said in the decision making process,
eliminate your negative, to establish the facts, to choose your
best option. The bottom line, minded is that the work
that we put in the gym put in is unspeakable.

Speaker 25 (01:06:57):
Brother.

Speaker 38 (01:06:58):
For the last thirty years, I've been with that, brother
man and I went to all kinds and we've been
with all kinds of problems here in Chicago. And do
you know I can't get no help. I can bag
up everything. We initiated the game truths so many put

(01:07:20):
out so many little fires. But here's the other thing.
Might when I became a fireman, women, my son got
killed when I initiated the gang tooth because of Jim.
From that point on, Brother, I've been working in these
streets and Jim always had my back. And just recently

(01:07:42):
the other day when I called you, I was going
to send you information about the Black firefighters, and I
may I can't program working in the streets. You know
right now, Brother, After thirty years, I got bring young brother.
They teach boxing with the Robert Tail Park Robert Tail

(01:08:02):
a park named Jeff Mason, forming gainst the dicipher for
thirty years they Brother, I've been working that program. I
got another young brother advice and coach Charles Rice on
the West Side Lindale Ego football team for thirty years. Brother,
he's program. I've been working through the American program.

Speaker 25 (01:08:21):
So we've been doing the work.

Speaker 38 (01:08:22):
Brother, But don't nobody want to give us our props,
you know, as a black man's hive for a black
man to be himself because if you not, if you
can't be yourselven, then other people want.

Speaker 25 (01:08:34):
To buy you off. You know.

Speaker 38 (01:08:37):
So I'm not with all that gym wine with all that,
but I learned a lot.

Speaker 25 (01:08:41):
From brother Jim.

Speaker 38 (01:08:42):
He was my mentoring with my big brother man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
I love that man, cool blaketerright.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
We'll appreciate you sharing your afflection to jump round for
folks if they want to support your organization.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Where do they go there? Will said, they can go.

Speaker 25 (01:08:56):
To yeah right now on him? Where say it?

Speaker 38 (01:09:00):
Can A reach me by my phone number? I have
no problem with Eric Cole seven seven three four four
three seven eight zero, nad a any rate and it's
a mirac Can Illinois.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
All right, just repeat, just repeat the phone number one
more time.

Speaker 38 (01:09:16):
Seven seven three four four to three seven eight zero.

Speaker 25 (01:09:20):
Nd.

Speaker 38 (01:09:21):
All right, money, let me say money, Let me say
me love, bless you and your family.

Speaker 25 (01:09:26):
Brother, and I'm pretty mercer on my big brother soul man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I appreciate it. Thank you so very much, Thank you, sir,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
I'm start with you, Michael uh and that is you
know when we talk about I mean, you listen to
Kuble there. Uh, there are very few, very few people
who when they walked into the room, they demanded a

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level of respect. Jim Brown one of those guys. He
seemed like you never ever saw Jim Brown smile, but
he had the demeanor that could demand that level of
respect from some of the toughest cats you can never
think of.

Speaker 18 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I think he did.

Speaker 26 (01:10:14):
I never met Jim Brown, but I think that's correct
an all. There was an interview he did with the
Washington Post in nineteen seventy nine where he talked about
it being very difficult for white in America to understand
that if you are part of football's elite, while you're
not satisfied with the recognition and the money, he wanted.

(01:10:35):
He wanted all of his rights as an American citizen.
I remember growing up, so I was born in seventy one.
So he retired from the NFL in sixty five. Probably
my earliest memories of Jim Brown was seeing the movie
The Dirty Doesn't and watching it on TV. Okay, he
was in the movie The Dirty Dozen't. I remember he

(01:10:56):
was in the movie Riot as well. Then I saw
the blaxploitation movies Three The Hardway one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 18 (01:11:03):
Okay, three to.

Speaker 26 (01:11:04):
Hard Way with probably the first black martial arts star,
which was Jim Kelly. Okay, they were in that movie together.
He's in the Slaughter movies as well. Then in the
nineteen nineties he's in the movie The Original Gangsters, which
reintroduces these what were termed in Ebony Magazine blaxploitation stars,

(01:11:27):
reintroduces them to another generation.

Speaker 18 (01:11:30):
Okay, and then you have the work that he did,
the anti gang.

Speaker 26 (01:11:34):
Violence work I remember watching on CNN, like when the
Rodney King verd it happened and the rebellion that took
place after that, and Jim Brown talking about the work
he was doing with Mayor I Can as well, and
lastly Roland. In the past couple of years, there's a
movie that Regina King directed called.

Speaker 23 (01:11:55):
One Night in Miami. One Night in Miami, which is.

Speaker 26 (01:11:57):
A fantastic movie which deals with with the fictitional account
of February of the night of February twenty fifth, nineteen
sixty four, after Cassius Clay defeats Sunny Listing, and it's
a fictitious account of a party that Malcolm X had
back at this hotel room with Jim Brown, Cassius Clay,
Muhammad Ali and Sam Cook. It's a fantastic movie. So

(01:12:21):
you know, we really need to study Jim Brown. That
may be some things that we disagree with here and there.
The picture that you're showing right there is the Cleveland
Summit nineteen sixty seven, after Muhammad Ali is stripped of
his title as well.

Speaker 18 (01:12:34):
And you have these African American athletes.

Speaker 26 (01:12:36):
You have leu Al Sender before his career Abdul Jabarro
I think it was Leuel Sender. You have Bill Russell, etc.
Many of them there for different reasons. But it's important
for us to study these African American men.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
All right, hold type one second and got to go
to break. And of course in that photo you saw
Jim Brown and Bill Russell. We lost Bill Russell earlier
this year. Realgion Jackson's senior alluded to that. I'll read
his statement when we come back. Folks, you're watching rolland
Mark Unfiltered as we pay tribute to the legendary Jim
Brown got last night at the age of eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
If you're watching the Blackstone.

Speaker 9 (01:13:13):
Network, Hatred on the Streets, a horrific scene white nationalists

(01:14:04):
rally that descended into deadly violence.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
White people are losing their their minds.

Speaker 10 (01:14:13):
As an angry pro Trump mod storms the US capital
the Sin Show.

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
We're about to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
See the lives where I call white minority resistance.

Speaker 11 (01:14:20):
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting.

Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of
violent denial.

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
This is part of American history.

Speaker 13 (01:14:33):
Every time that people of color had made in progress,
whether real or symbolic, there has been but Carold Anderson
at every university calls white rage as a backlash.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
This is the wrath of the proud boys and the
Boogaaloo boys America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
There's going to be more of this.

Speaker 20 (01:14:49):
God.

Speaker 14 (01:14:50):
This country just getting increasingly racist and its behaviors and
its attitudes because of the fear of white people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
The few that they're taking our job, they're taking our resources,
they're taking out women.

Speaker 18 (01:15:03):
This is white Field.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Black Star Network.

Speaker 15 (01:15:24):
A real revolutionary right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I thank you for being the voice of black a
paranon walmen that we have.

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
Now we have to keep this going.

Speaker 16 (01:15:32):
The video looks phenomenal is.

Speaker 17 (01:15:34):
Between Black Star Network and Black owned media and something
like seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
In you can't be black owned media and be scared.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
It's time to be.

Speaker 15 (01:15:43):
Smart, ring your eyeballs home you dig.

Speaker 39 (01:16:33):
And it's truly, and it's truly because of his greatness
that the NFL has decided to rename the award given
to the league leading rusher and Barry and I are
honored that that award would be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Given out tonight in the honor of Jim Brown, no.

Speaker 18 (01:16:48):
Question about it, no question.

Speaker 15 (01:16:55):
Now, please give it up for the first Jim Brown
Award winner, Josh j of the Las Vegas Raiders, And that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Was, of course Jim Brown. Right there, folks, go back
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
He was actually in attendance at the NFL Honors there,
sitting there with his wife Monique again passed away last
night at the age of eighty seven. Joining us right
now as a longtime journalist who's down with the athletic
Jim Trotter, who's covered the NFL for a number of years, Jim,
glad to have you on the show. When you talk

(01:17:30):
about NFL greats, we talk about greats in all area.
People talk, people throw around the phrases the goat, the goat,
the goat. I think it's fair to say when you
talk about a consensus of who is the greatest running
back of all time, somebody probably would be high or

(01:17:51):
drunk if they don't start with Jim Brown.

Speaker 15 (01:17:55):
Roland. I go one step further. I've always called Jim
Brown the greatest football player period that I know. Now,
I was too young to see him play live, but
in studying him and studying what he accomplished those sorts
of things. I mean, eight rushing titles in nine years,
nine Pro Bowls in nine years, three rush three league MVPs,

(01:18:17):
the only player, only non quarterback to ever win three
MVPs in NFL history. I could keep going on and
on and on, but to me, Jim Brown was the
greatest football player that I know of.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
If we go back to college, the reason that he's
not a Heisman Trophy winner because of racism, There is
no doubt he should have won the Hosman Trophy his
senior year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Well, who's a Paul Hornet who won? Who's like on
a losing team?

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
But again, it was it was absolute sports journalism, racism
that he never won the Heisman Trophy. Uh And and
he set the standard and he really began that trajectory
of these great running backs coming through Syracuse.

Speaker 15 (01:19:00):
Well, here's the thing too, though, Roland, he was not
just a great football player. He was a great lacrosse
player as well. You could make the case that Jim
Brown was maybe the greatest athlete we've ever had. Period.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
No, no, I will throw one name out there. I
would love to have that debate, Jim Brown, Paul Roch.

Speaker 15 (01:19:22):
Okay, you could have that debate. But I'm saying, when
you are the best in every sport that you compete in,
and we know he was the best, Well, in my opinion,
he was the best in football and lacrosse, he was
the best. You know, you talk about track and field,
Jim Brown was just he was incredible. And it's funny.
I want to show you like this book. I write

(01:19:46):
about it in the column I just wrote Jim and
I talk about how this is one of the most
powerful books I've ever read. His autobiography because of its directness,
its frankness, and is a bi to be unapologetic and
all the things he talks about about being a black
man growing up in the fifties, and all the things

(01:20:06):
he dealt with in the NFL, and all the things
he dealt with afterwards and what his mindset is and
all of that. I know as a young sportswriter back
in nineteen eighty nine when this book came out, I
was three years out of college, and so I'm working
in newsrooms where I don't see many of me, and
so there were things I wanted to articulate that I felt,

(01:20:27):
but I just couldn't articulate it. And then I read
his book and I was like, Wow, many of the
things he is saying, and here are the things that
I feel that I can't articulate. And so people may
find it strange when I say that a sports book
is one of the most powerful books I've ever read,
But his autobiography did that to me. It spoke to
me in a number of different ways, and I would

(01:20:48):
recommend it for anyone to read who wants to learn
about him, who wants to learn about conviction, who wants
to learn about standing up during times where it is
either not safe or not comfortable to do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
So one of the things I'm I'm gonna bring in
Candace Kelly right here. Candace, this is a story from Ndscape.
Jesse Washington did this story and it sort of speaks
to what Jim Jim Treadler was just saying there about
Jim Brown, and that is his season was over for

(01:21:23):
the Cleveland Browns. He was The article says here that
he was bored, so he decided to go act in
a movie. So he's filming the movie The Dirty Dozen,
as it says, to stimulate his mind. Now, he knew
he was gonna have to prepare for the upcoming season,
and he was in the final year of a two
year deal paying him sixty thousand dollars. He wanted to

(01:21:44):
play the following season, but he had to leave the
film and the owner of the team, Art Modell, was like, hey,
sorry that he said. No veteran Brown's player has been
granted or will be given permission to report late to
our training camp at hier On College, and this includes
Jim Brown. Should Jim fail to report to hire them

(01:22:07):
at check in time deadline, which is Sunday, July seventeenth,
I will have no alternative to suspend him without paid.
He was like, okay, all right, no problem, and so
and so, he says, Modell started finding Brown one hundred
dollars for every day he didn't show up, but no
one told Brown what to do, not even the owner

(01:22:28):
of the team he played for, and this is what
he did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
He wrote the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Owner of Art Modell to mind you. This is Art Modell,
the owner who has the greatest player on his team,
and I guess he thought Jim was a regular Negro
and he wrote him this letter. I am writing to
inform you that in the next few days, I will
be announcing my retirement from football. This decision is final,

(01:22:56):
and it's made only because of the future that I
desire for myself, a family, and if not to sound corny,
my race, I am very sorry I did not have
the information to give you at some earlier date, for
one of my great concerns was to try in every
way to work things out so I could play an
additional year. I was very sorry to see you make
the statements that you did, because it was not a

(01:23:17):
victory for you or I, but for the newspaper men. Fortunately,
I seem to have a little more faith.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
In you than you have in me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
I honestly like you and will be willing to help
you in any way I can. But I feel you
must realize that both of us are men, and that
my manhood is just as important to me as yours
is to you. It was indicated in the papers out
of Cleveland that you tried to reach me my phone. Well,
I hope you realize that when I am in my apartment,

(01:23:45):
I never refused to answer my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The only reason that I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Did not contact you before I knew the completion date
of the movie is that the date was the one
important factor. You must realize that your organization will make
money and will remain successful whether I am there or not.
The Cleveland Browns are in an institution that will stand
for a long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I'm taking on.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
A few products that are very interesting to me. I
have many problems to solve at this time, and I
am sure you know a lot of them. So if
we weigh the situation properly, the Browns have really nothing
to lose, but Jim Brown has a lot to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
I'm taking it for granted that I have.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Your understanding and best wishes for in my public approach
to this matter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
This will be the attitude that will prevail the.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Business matters that we will have to work out we
could do when I return to Cleveland. I will give
you any assistance I can, and hope your operation will
be a success.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
You know the areas that I can be helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
And even if you do not ask for this help,
my attitude will be one that I will do only
the things that will.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Contribute to the success of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Your friend Jim, and he's the key here, he says, manhood,
He's the owner.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Art Modell thought he was all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
I could send here, give Jim ultimatum and he gonna
come running back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Jim was like, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 19 (01:25:04):
And yeah Jim, Jim said I'll quit right here on
the movie set, which is what he did.

Speaker 21 (01:25:08):
And you know, this is what shows who he was
as a man. He was a man of conviction. And
what he was saying was, you will not disrespect me
and you will not tell me what to do. I
am Jim Brown.

Speaker 19 (01:25:20):
I have my own manhead, manhood, and I'm a man
of conviction.

Speaker 21 (01:25:24):
And I think that this is really important to understand
about him, and this is why the standards are so
high that he set for everybody who came behind him.

Speaker 19 (01:25:32):
I went to Syracuse.

Speaker 21 (01:25:33):
I'm wearing orange because of Jim Brown to night, and
you know, when you go there, you know about Jim Brown.
If you didn't know about him before you went there,
you knew about him once you got there, because he
is the person that set the standard.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
You know, when he prayed lacrosse, they changed the rules
because he was so good, they changed the rules.

Speaker 21 (01:25:51):
This is the type of man that Jim Brown was,
and I think that his conviction was really felt when
he was able to, as you talked about earlier in
the show, organized gangs and make.

Speaker 19 (01:26:03):
Sure that they understood and talked to one another. That
takes a lot.

Speaker 21 (01:26:07):
That takes a lot of psychological effort too, And that's
also something that he is known about, and they talked
about while I was at Syracuse University that he used
psychology on the playing field in order to get into
people's minds in order to show people that he was
in control. And he used those same tactics in order
to manage people around him. And that's what people know

(01:26:28):
who he is and who he is about managing people,
organizing them, making them see eye to eye. So people
know him for so many things as this revered sports
player and so many sports. He was the first person
actually to call boxing in terms of an African American
to sit.

Speaker 19 (01:26:44):
There and do play by play and talk about boxing,
and he did so many other things.

Speaker 21 (01:26:48):
He's going to be remembered for so many things, but
mostly he's going to be remembered because of letters like
that that you just read, because this was a man
of conviction.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Roland Jim I love what he told Sports Illustrated on
the sale of the of the Dirty Does, and he said,
I could have played longer. I wanted to play this year,
but it was impossible. We're running behind schedule shooting here.
For one thing, I want more mental stimulation than I
would have played football. I want to have a hand
in the struggle that is taking place in our country.
And I have the opportunity to do that now. I

(01:27:17):
might not a year from now and later this he said.
I quit with regret, but not sorrow, no one of the.

Speaker 15 (01:27:25):
Things he says in his book Too Olden. He says
that he was always singing about life after football, and
he said for many athletes there's a sharp decline because
you leave all that adelation and you go to where
now you're just a guy in many instances, and so
for him, he said, acting was a way to soften
that landing spot in terms of him coming down. But

(01:27:46):
I wanted to read something else to you out of
this book when we're talking about a man of conviction,
and I'll do it real quick here, he says. I've
heard it a lot over the years. Paul Brown and
other coaches didn't like this about my attitude, didn't like that,
but they love the damn performance. They were right about
one thing. I did have an attitude. And my attitude
and this is what my coaches could never see, was

(01:28:07):
not shaped only by the game of football. If my
mind was limited to football, per the desires of the
Cleveland Brown staff, which would later be fired by Art Modell,
what type of man would that make me? My attitude
was shaped by my personal conviction. It was shaped by
society and my role in that society. It was shaped

(01:28:29):
by being black in America in the nineteen fifties. And
if it wasn't for that attitude that people spoke of,
I never would have made it to the Cleveland Browns.
Man Jim Brown was just different, and that's what I
loved about him in terms of he was unapologetic and
unafraid when it came to speaking his truth. And we

(01:28:50):
don't see that in a lot of athletes today, which
as I get older is disappointing because I think guys
like Jim Brown, Bill Russell on us had laid the
groundwork for black athletes to be able to speak and
to stand on their conviction. So for me, you know,
I know some people want to focus on the other things,
and that's fine. Jim Brown was a lot like life.

(01:29:11):
He was complex, but in terms of how he made
me feel? Do I think he was a great man?

Speaker 25 (01:29:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I do do.

Speaker 15 (01:29:19):
I think he was flawed, without question, but Jim Brown
to me provided some purpose in terms of understanding who
I was and how I wanted to carry myself, in
terms of addressing certain things in certain situations.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Indeed, hold tight one second, I got to go to
a break, we come back. Marshall Falk Hall of Famer,
would join us. Terrell Owens would join us as well. Also,
we'll be talking with Ricky, another Hall of Famer, Ricky Jackson.
Also share some social media post of various folks like
Eric Dickerson, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders and others as they

(01:29:55):
remember Jim Brown, who passed away the age of eighty seven.

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sent out another Hall of Fame running back. I just
landed for my flight and saw all the text messages.
Jim was not just a great football player, but an
even greater human being. We need more people like Jim Brown.
He'll forever be the standard of how the great running
backs are measured in our game. Till we meet again,
my friend, folks. Last year we were at their eightieth
birthday party for Richard Rowntree and It was, of course

(01:33:57):
a great time half there. Jim Brown showed up to
paid his respects there.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
And so we'll show you that in a little bit.
But right now we'll join by another. We'll join by
another Hall of Famer, Terrell bre Terrell Owens. We're sitting
up his shot and getting his audio straight.

Speaker 15 (01:34:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
He'll join us in just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
It was I guess, like I guess three or four
years ago, that been even longer. I actually did an
interview with to and Jim Brown at Jim Brown's home
in Los Angeles. I am trying to get hold of
a copy of that from the producer of Stacey Dillon.
We will try to stream that over the weekend or
on Monday. It was a great conversation we had with

(01:34:41):
It was separate interviews I did with t O and
then I did one with Jim Brown. Took place again
at Jim's home there in Hollywood Hills.

Speaker 25 (01:34:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
And so do we have to is he ready? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
All right, So we're trying to get Terrell's audio straight
as we speak.

Speaker 12 (01:34:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And so we're doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Let me pull up what Emmitt Smith posted about Jim Brown.
He posted this here My heart aches at this very
moment after hearing on the passing of Jim Brown. He
is and was a true legend in sports and in
the community, using his platform to help others. Thanks King
this year is a photo of Emmitt Smith as Barry Sanders,

(01:35:23):
two of the greatest running backs ever as they take
a photo there with the greatest himself, Jim Brown and co.
Of course that was there and so again and so
Barry Sanders also was tweeting as well. Let me I
want to just want to pull up before I go
to to O. I want to share with you what
Barry Sanders posted. He said, you cannot you can't underestimate

(01:35:46):
the impact Jim Brown had on the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
He will be greatly missed.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Additionally, his generosity and friendship with my family is a
gift and we will always treasure our thoughts and prayers
with the Brown family and Brown fans at this time
and again, this is a photo there of with Smith,
Jim Brown, and Barry Sanders. Joining us right now is
Hall of Famer Torell Owens. Uh Ty, I'm glad to
have you on the show. Uh It was a few
years ago we were at Jim Brown's house or I

(01:36:12):
got I got you, I got you to yo.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Can you hear me? Yeah?

Speaker 38 (01:36:15):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
So it was a few years ago we were at
Jim Brown's house when I said, out and interview you
and Jim. Uh, just just just share with folks your
relationship with Jim Brown.

Speaker 25 (01:36:26):
Oh man.

Speaker 29 (01:36:26):
I think when you think about just football in general
and just what he's meant to the black community, you know,
there's not enough to be said, and just think about
the impact just the culture, the black community. He's done
so many great things and he's been a pillar for
the success of so many, you know, athletes that look

(01:36:49):
like me.

Speaker 15 (01:36:50):
So for me just to be in his.

Speaker 29 (01:36:52):
Presence, to be there with his wife, it is definitely
one of those moments I'll never forget. And I was like,
I said, you you were there for me. I mean,
just to lose someone like this, I mean, this is
an icon. This is a great one that we've lost.
And I think Lebron said it best. I think if
you're a person of color, especially an athlete, and don't

(01:37:12):
know who he is, this is definitely a moment to
go and research and understand what Jim Brown has meant
to many just people of color, and just a many
of athletes across the country.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Yeah, you played wide receiver, but with the running backs
that was they really revered him in a different way
as well. This is Jerome Bettess. I was texting Jerome earlier.
He was actually at a benefit for Regel mckensey. He tweeted,
today we lost a true legend. Made Jim Brown my
Pro Football Hall of Fame brother, Rest in peace and power.
This is Bettess in Jim Brown right here, and and

(01:37:49):
the thing again, it is just something about again, those
running backs and again when you look at Emmitt Smith
and Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson and Jerome Bettess and
so many others as they think about and reflect on
Jim Brown and what he meant to the position but
also to the NFL. And he was also someone he
didn't take no stuff. I mean he he'd take no

(01:38:09):
stuff from nobody. Earlier I read when he how he
left the Browns. He was not gonna let anybody tell
him what to.

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
Do, right.

Speaker 29 (01:38:17):
I think if you look at what he did, I
think now you're seeing a lot of athletes that are,
you know, realizing their power and using their leverage, using
their voice to speak up on a number of issues,
and I think Lebron has really kind of taken that
torch and that mantle and really doing that for a
lot of athletes people. A lot of people have even

(01:38:38):
said that I was when I played, I was one
of those guys. I mean, I didn't really take a
lot of stuff either. I was very outspoken, and that
was often kind of misconstrued as being arrogant and cocky.
But for me, again, I knew my worth. And I
think I was reading something earlier when all this happened,
and I came across an interview that Jim Brown had

(01:39:00):
done with Sports Illustrated in two thousand and two, and
I think, and I wish, I hope a lot of
athletes would really listen to and really just take note
to what he said in this article goes on to
say that there are beneficiary beneficiarias of our struggle.

Speaker 15 (01:39:17):
Brown said about modern black athletes.

Speaker 29 (01:39:20):
In this interview, He said, but they don't recognize that
because they're inundated with agents, managers, lawyers and team owners
who don't want them to do anything but playball and
hopefully keep themselves out of trouble and just be physical
freaks of nature with no awareness of the decision making power.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
And that's honestly where we are right now.

Speaker 29 (01:39:41):
You think about the National Football League, this is the
only sport that honestly has a lot of wear and
tear on a body that doesn't have guaranteed contracts. These
athletes have to understand how much leverage and how much
power that they have to get those guaranteed contracts if
they truly want them. The NFL has made up of

(01:40:01):
seventy plus percent black and brown athletes.

Speaker 7 (01:40:05):
If they want these guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 29 (01:40:06):
That obviously some of these other sports are gunnering, they
have to understand their leverage, they have to understand their power,
and this is what Jim Brown was alluding to. And
this again, this has been going on for many, many years,
and it takes a number of these guys to honestly
get together in order to do that. The NFLPA, the

(01:40:26):
union is not as strong as some of these other
unions like the NBA MLB.

Speaker 18 (01:40:33):
And a lot of people don't know this, but the.

Speaker 29 (01:40:35):
National Football League National Football League makes more money than
the NBA and Major League Baseball combined.

Speaker 25 (01:40:42):
And there's no.

Speaker 29 (01:40:43):
Reason why us as athletes, especially these new guys that
will be coming into this new money that they shouldn't
have guaranteed contracts. What Lamar Jackson had to go through
over this last few months, that shouldn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Indeed, we appreciate you joined taking some time man and
show your thoughts and reflections about the past with Jim Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Thanks a bunch, absolutely, and all my best go out
to his family. Thanks so much. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
Matt what TiO said there, we were talking a little
bit earlier in terms of how Jim Brown operated.

Speaker 21 (01:41:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
I remember he said, Look, he said, look, I ain't
taking all these hits in the NFL. I'm getting paid
more money to lay up with rock heel welch.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:41:30):
And you know, first, I'll say I'm a little younger,
so I obviously didn't get a chance to watch Jim
Brown play.

Speaker 23 (01:41:37):
But I did play lacrosse at Howard.

Speaker 24 (01:41:39):
And it's interesting because I remember the coach saying that
just so frequently, oh man, the greatest lacrosse player of
all time is Jim Brown. And it dawned on me
then that we're talking about a man who had played
before any of us of us had ever lived, and
his legend so far out shown his playing days that
we were still talking about it, you know, sixty years later,

(01:42:00):
which I think is just a testament to the titanic
proportions of his ability. But what I thought was great
about that letter, and especially that I think too hit
on beautifully, is not only the social responsibility that athletes have,
that many of them are shouldering that burden and really
in a great way, but beyond that the idea that, look.

Speaker 23 (01:42:21):
You are the ones that put the butts in the seats,
you have the leverage.

Speaker 24 (01:42:25):
And that's an important lesson not only for the athletes
but for all of us, because so many of us
create value for corporations and for agencies and other places
and don't fully understand how much they rely on us
and how much they need us to accomplish their goals.
So I like the idea that athletes are empowered to

(01:42:45):
not only realize, you know, their social responsibilibility, but realize
how they can leverage their position and say, look, NFL,
we make so much money for you, we need guaranteed contracts,
and if you don't give us those contracts, here are consequences.
So I think he was a model in that respect,
and I just think Obviously he was a titan, and
to be a person who has set so many standards

(01:43:08):
in so many different realms, it's really an extraordinary thing.

Speaker 23 (01:43:11):
And I'm appreciative of his legacy.

Speaker 24 (01:43:13):
And his stalwart commitment to living his truth as a
black man unapologetically.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Indeed, all right, I gotta go to a break real quick.
Quick we come back, We'll have more tributes to Jim Brown.
Folks again passed away last night. Let's Los Angeles home
at the age of eighty seven. You're watching Roland Martin
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Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Well out of the golf course.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Earlier today, when I got the news of the passing,
you know Jim Brown, folks were texting me and blowing
my phone up. And of course Jim Brown was a
huge golfer himself, always playing golf, so it's only fitting
we would talk to Hall of Famer Marshall Falk, who's
on the golf course right now.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Marshall, always glad to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
My brother Jim Brown loved the game of golf, and
so the both of us just just just share your
thoughts reflections about this legend man.

Speaker 40 (01:47:05):
You know, life well lived, and I think that you know,
we'll talk a lot about Jim and what he did
in football, but when you got to think about the
transition that he made into acting and then being an activist,
but with the Amerikan Foundation and all the stuff that
he did to help solve the gang issues in l
a Uh. People don't really understand a lot of what
Jim Brown did. And I know for me what he

(01:47:27):
meant to me, not just as a football player, but
just just just as a as a as a role
model and as a mentor, providing me the stability to
have the career that I had by just giving.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
The information Jim.

Speaker 40 (01:47:38):
Jim was a wise guy and he was there for
for a lot of us who came up looking for
looking for those role models in our life.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
You know, Marshall, there was a guy who played golf
with Jim in in Dallas and he was talking about
Jim's peripheral vision and see you are you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Already know what's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
And so the folks who don't know in golf, I mean,
when you play golf, y'all, you know you can see,
you know you got people. You don't want folks in
any of your site, but he said his site was
so ridiculous. He didn't want anybody standing here here or
even behind him because he literally saw all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
That's what made him a great running back.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
It frustrated the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Hell out of folks playing golf with him. They were like,
Jim hit the.

Speaker 40 (01:48:26):
Damn ball Roland. Every time I played golf with Jim.
I figured it out after maybe the second time. When
he's getting ready to hit, he's on the t box,
I'm just gonna stay.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
In the cart.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
You couldn't. I mean, you were pretty much going to
be wrong.

Speaker 40 (01:48:41):
And then on the green if you were standing behind
him and he missed the putney had the putty going back,
you had to walk around and get behind him. His
peripheral vision was so good. But he was just fun
to play with. And he will be missed, man, God
will be missed.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
For I was talking to too, and I said, obviously,
running backs for you guys, Jim Brown was something different.
I mean he was the goals standard when you talk
about speed, agility, power strength, He can run, he can catch.
I mean, that's who everybody is measured up against.

Speaker 25 (01:49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 40 (01:49:18):
One hundred percent. And the one thing about Jim that
that you had to understand. For us as running backs,
you know, we're competitive, we're narcissistic, we all think that
we are the best. But with Jim, it was like, naw,
Jim's Jim's the goat. He's our guy, and we all
we all gave it to him every time. At the
Hall of Fame we got together and we kind of
started it. The backfield wasn't too crowded for all of us,

(01:49:41):
whether it was in it, Marcus, Jerome, Eric, all of us.
We understood that Jim Brown was the goat of all
goats when it came to playing the position, right.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
I mean, that's like in basketball, Russell Kareem, you know, Michael.
But the bottom line is kind of like Jim Brown
and Okay, y'all could talk about you know, two through whatever,
but he was number one. One of the things that
I read earlier how he walked away from the Browns.
He was about manhood, he was about you were going

(01:50:14):
to respect me, and he walked away from the game.
He literally was I mean nine years he was still
in tip top form. He could have rushed for another
two three four thousand yards if he.

Speaker 40 (01:50:26):
Wanted to, Yeah, walked away from the game. And here's
here's the thing. You got to remember, it wasn't just
about that you were going to respect him. He respected you,
so so you were kind of forced to give Jim
the respect because he gave the respect. And I just
remember when I was like I met him back in
nineteen ninety four and he knew who I was. I

(01:50:46):
was like, Jim Brown, you know me right right? I mean,
it was just it was like, you know me and
Jim Jim, Jim knew who I was. So just just
the respect was there. Leaving the game early because he
just it wasn't fair and what he meant to the game,
and then later on the NFL embracing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Everything about Jim Brown and what he stood for.

Speaker 40 (01:51:09):
And I think when you look back at the Kaepernick
situation and a lot of that stuff, we didn't have
social media, he didn't have the media on his side.
Jim Brown was an activist. He left the game, and
people just wrote him off as if he was just
a guy bitter. But now you see the icon that
he was and the work that he did, and I hope,
I hope that people look at him as more than

(01:51:31):
just a football player.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
Well, absolutely, we lost earlier Bill Russell, and a lot
of people completely forgot about what Bill Russell did off
the court, and he was buoyant. He was more than
a basketball player, and so was Jim Brown. Marshall, I
appreciate you taking time out of your golf round to
join us to pay tribute to Jim Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
He would love it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
He would absolutely love the fact that you will be
talking about him from the golf course.

Speaker 15 (01:51:55):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 40 (01:51:56):
Roland, thanks for having me on man. Jim Brown will
be missed, Man ALRP.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
JB thirty two, My brother, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
All righty folks he talked to earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
I think it was too he mentioned Lebron James. NBA
put this video out here. This was during the game
in Cleveland, win when Lebron James he.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Paid the building.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Here today he paid tribute to Jim Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Watch this.

Speaker 42 (01:52:26):
Have been terrific on their home floor over the last
several months, twenty six and two in their last we're
ready to pull this. Twenty eight home games haven't including
six and one of the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
The only home loss.

Speaker 42 (01:52:37):
As you see, Lebron James bowing to James Brown, legendary
Cleveland Brown as he gets set for the tip off.
We're not talking the singer Mike. We're talking Jim Brown,
the football player. I should call him mister. Yeah, we
all should. That's the greatness in the building here tonight.

Speaker 25 (01:52:56):
This is right before the game.

Speaker 20 (01:52:58):
Mister Jim Brown. And you could take that for granted.
That is two of the best athletes that we've ever
seen all time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
That's something that when your other athletes do that. This
is the tweet Instagram posted Lebron James put up. We
lost a hero today. Rest in paradise of the legend
Jim Brown. I hope every black athlete takes the time
to educate themselves about this incredible man and what he
did to change all of our lives. We will stand
on your shoulders, Jim Brown. If you grew up in

(01:53:31):
Northeast Ohio and we're black. Jim Brown was a god
as a kid who loved football. I really just thought
of him as the greatest Cleveland Brown to ever play.
Then I started my own journey as a professional athlete,
and I realized what he did socially was his true greatness.
When I choose to speak out. I always think about
Jim Brown. I can only speak because Jim broke down

(01:53:51):
those walls for me. I am so grateful that I
was able to call you my friend. I hope I
can continue to honor your legacy with my words and actions.
Prayers to your family. I know they are all incredibly
proud of everything you did for our community. Hashtag Legends
Never Die. That was Lebron James Folks talking about Jim Brown.

(01:54:12):
The final comments from my panel, I will start with
the fellow Orange men, Candace Kelly, Candace.

Speaker 21 (01:54:21):
Well, you know, I just want to say that it's
amazing to see the seeds that he planted and what
has grown from it, because when we look at Jim Brown,
he was talking years ago about how athletes and black
bodies were treated, and we're still talking about concussions and
how we're treated. He was talking about agency and making
decisions for himself and getting involved in other things that

(01:54:41):
would exercise his mind. And now we're still looking at
athletes who are following in his footpath because of the
seeds that he planted, because they have their own agency.
They're kneeling on the field, they're doing what they need
to do. In order to make sure that in terms
of race and politics in America that they are keeping
you know, center in that regard, and so well, I
just want to say that, you know, Jim Brown is

(01:55:02):
one of those people that it's just hard to duplicate,
and a number of people are going to remember him
for not only the man that he was on the field,
but off the field too, because he was a legacy
in both arenas.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
I think what people have to understand, Matt, is that
when you are an athlete, is very easy for folks
to remember your exploits on the field, on the court,
on the baseball diamond.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
But the reality is you can do more with that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
And when we think about Muhammad Ali, we think about
Bill Russell, Kareem abdul Jabbar, Jim Brown. I mean, these
were true icons, but who understood the assignment. Jackie Robinson
as well. They understood that they could use their power,
their force for good, to help black folks, to help

(01:55:50):
the community at large.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
It wasn't just about them.

Speaker 24 (01:55:53):
I'll take it a step further and say they understood
they are duty bound to do that.

Speaker 25 (01:55:58):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:55:58):
That's what we're hearing from all of his compatriots and
everyone who shared memories about Jim Brown is that he
exuded the social responsibility to help solve the gang problem,
to be a role model for black people, to help
people understand their leveraging their value.

Speaker 23 (01:56:15):
And that's what I hope people take away from this.

Speaker 24 (01:56:16):
You control your destiny, think always how to leave that legacy,
but also think about where you are obliged to your
fellow person to help them along the way. And you know,
especially in a small insular group like professional athletes, how
important is it to have a titan help you along
the way and helping you.

Speaker 23 (01:56:35):
Find your own path.

Speaker 24 (01:56:36):
So what I hope is instructive to people here is
that we have a responsibility to be that for each other,
and I think Jim Brown modeled that masterfully.

Speaker 26 (01:56:46):
Michael, Yeah, Roland, you know, once again, Jim Brown is
somebody we need to study.

Speaker 18 (01:56:53):
He's complex as well.

Speaker 26 (01:56:55):
And also we're talking about Jim Brown on the ninety
eighth birthday of Malcolm as well. May nineteenth is Malcolm
X's birthday, and we know that. I encourage people to
watch that movie from a director Regina King one night
in Miami, because Jim Brown connects us to Malcolm X,

(01:57:16):
connects us to Muhammad Ali connects us to what's taking
place during that period of time and the fight for
civil rights and things like this, fighting against racism, etc.

Speaker 18 (01:57:25):
And then being an activist at the ground level.

Speaker 26 (01:57:30):
So it's one thing to, you know, just do interviews
talking about the problem, but he's an activist at the
ground level dealing with gang interventions and cease fires and
things of this nature.

Speaker 18 (01:57:40):
So he's somebody needs to be studied.

Speaker 26 (01:57:43):
And when we look at many African American athletes today,
you know you have the right waying the Lord Ingraham's
things like this telling African American athletes to shut up
and dribble. Okay, she probably would have said the same
thing about Jim Brown back in the day as well.

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
Folks, we were in this tribute by hearing Jim Brown himself.
This is what the Cleveland Browns posted when they paid
what he was recognized as one of the greatest of
one hundred players in NFL history.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
Jim Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:58:13):
They at the age of eighty seven, want to thank
everybody for watching this tribute to him, and we'll see
you on Monday right here in Roland Martin Unfiltered on
the Black Start Network.

Speaker 10 (01:58:25):
I don't know who wrote the list. But when I
look at myself, God gave me a physique.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
This is Jim Brown, the most devastating ball carrier in
the history of football.

Speaker 10 (01:58:38):
I was six to two hundred and thirty two pounds
and I had quickly suspit and the word got around.
I was a different kind of guy.

Speaker 18 (01:58:49):
An animal, a real raw talent.

Speaker 21 (01:58:52):
Man.

Speaker 36 (01:58:53):
See, my father made me understand it. He said, watch it.
He don't run out of bounds. He gonna put his
head down, he gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Get some more.

Speaker 36 (01:59:02):
And when he got tackled, he said, watch how slow
he get up. He said, you know what that is?
He say in life, just get up slow because you're
gonna have to pick yourself up a bunch of times.
Ain't no need of rushing. And this dude never missed
a game. Every Sunday we watched Jim Brown was on
the field.

Speaker 18 (01:59:19):
Jim Brown's the greatest back to ever play.

Speaker 15 (01:59:21):
He was a bad man, and not only on the field.
Jim Brown being an activist had an impact on me
as well.

Speaker 36 (01:59:30):
He was around at a time man where America was
trying to change the civil rights and for him to
be an athlete and get involved in it was like
inspirational because I'm like, man, it's Jim Brown saying we
got to stand up, stay together. That was Jim Brown
out there on the front line.

Speaker 21 (01:59:46):
He also was very keen on economic issues, which for
most black athletes, they they never ever were connected with that.

Speaker 17 (01:59:55):
Jim Brown tried to bring the community together in the
ways that had nothing to do with sports, and he
pursued acting and credibly he had some good roles and
played some good movies.

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