May 15, 2023 • 30 mins
Dale and Matt discuss fantasy outlook for this year and who’s under and over rated.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on
your twenty four to seven home of the Black and
Gold Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is
Matt Williamson, and well, Matt, let's talk a little.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Fantasy football today, all right, kind of lean in that way.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, So Football Outsiders, I.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Think fantasy seasons officially started.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's pretty much, yeah, we know what the rosters are
largely going to be now. There's not going to be
any big surprises in terms of skill position players. There
may be a trade, maybe Austin eclar gets moved or
something like that, but by and large we know who
the players are at this point. So Football Outsiders did
a little thing here, Most undervalued and most overvalued Fantasy
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football draft players here. Let's start with the overvalued players first.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I assume this is going to be based off Bestball
because basketball right now is on fire. Yeah, the Best
Ball mania and all this stuff going on. So we're
getting ADPs, you know, which is yeah good. That's why
I said, I really do think it's this is the
beginning of fantasy season.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is written by.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Chris Bags Football Tiders. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so his most overvalued stud running back Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He worries me too.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
His ADP is fourteen point three on Underdog Fantasy's twenty
seventh rated running back in the air player in the
quote unquote spags ranking. I guess he has his own
rankings with this. Okay, I'm gonna have in a heavy
workload last year.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Heavy workload injury history. But all backs do, I mean
hold I don't hold that against backs too much. It's
just kind of nature of the beast. It's some small thing.
But they drafted Gray in the fifth round. I think
you just want to take three touches off his plate
per game. It's not they invested so heavily in wide receivers.
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I think they throw the ball a little bit more,
and he's starting to get to that age where he
could drop off a little, you know, like, I don't
think end of the second round. Yeah, I'm in on Saquan.
Maybe in the middle of the second round, but not
it's a turn.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that's where it's gonna be tough. And he honestly
could have gone with a number of different backs on
this list.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Derrick Henry Henry shares the heck out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Josh Jacob scares me after the workload he had last year,
and I don't think they're going to be a very
good football team. And then Joe Mixon. I mean we're
talking about three guys, well two of them, Henry and Mixon.
We're basically first round, you know, early second round players.
Then I don't know if I want to touch this year.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I thought Mixing looked bad last year. Yeah, and his
numbers weren't great. The other two i'd throw in there,
I don't. I still not convinced Dalvin Cook's even going
to be a Viking. And I thought his tape fell
off last year. And I don't know what to do
Abou Kamaraw. I mean, there's still a really good chance
he gets suspended. And he's that age too. I mean,
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that's that's the Connor draft class, you know Henry, right, Yeah,
Like that's that's scary neighborhood. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, they're getting up in age. And for Cook and
for example, you know there's talk about him potentially being traded. Well,
I mean that's going to factor in, Like if he
lands in a good situation, that makes all the difference
in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But sure, sure you know, if, for.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Example, the Saints trade for him, well, now kills both
his value and that of right, you know it just
Camar just kills them both. Most overvalued up and coming
running back Khalil Herbert ninety seven point four ADP. He
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as him as one hundred and seventh ranked player.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Like for all the Dynasty stuff I do, Herbert with
stock was going up, up, up up up, and then
they signed for him, and okay, that's not that big
a competition. He knew he wasn't gonna have the backfield
to himself, but then they took Roshawn Johnson too, and
they're all kind of the same. It's not like this
will be your role. He will be the goal line guy, right,
you know, it's one too many miles on an offense
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that fields is going to get ten carries anyway and
probably score ten rushing touchdowns. So no fault of his own.
His situation got worse for Fantasy lately. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean everybody got excited when David Montgomery left and
was like, oh, right, well so much for that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he'd love for it just to be him and
Montgomery right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Now, Oh absolutely, yeah, Now, at least they had clear
cut roles in mctgomery, you know, expecting him to stay healthy.
Most overvalued quarterback, and boy, he's got three of them
on here, Josh Allen, Patrick Holmes, and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They're eighty three.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
They're ADP eighteen point seven, eighteen point nine, and twenty
point six.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, I think they're the top three. I know Allen's
the one right at least install.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Any you know, long time listeners to our show. Now,
we did talk about this last year as in the
build up or lead up to fantasy football drafts, like
I would love to have any of those guys on
my team, of course, but probably not where I got
a draft them.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They were like eighteen nineteen twenty in that neighborhood. I
mean they were like mid second rounders right now. Yeah,
I mean that's steep. So I've taken a step back
in my fantasy life and thought, Matt, you don't always
have to be the eleventh or twelfth guy in your
leading draft. You know, it doesn't have to be the rule.
You know, And like last year I took Trey Lance
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and I'm like, all right, I'll be fine. Well, I
do think this past year that those three quarterbacks that
you mentioned, not coincidentally, won a lot of fantasy championships.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They did. They The thing is, though, like Jalen, he
didn't take Jalen Hurts at twenty. That's what it took
Jalen Hurts at eighty right, right, right right, And so.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I might be more up for taking fields in the
fifth round. And Aaron Rodgers are around above his ADP
or two or Lamar Lamar, you know, like I'm I
don't think I'll be the last one drafting a quarterback anymore,
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but I won't be the first. But I do want
to be tier two with upside and maybe get two
of them and hope I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Hurts, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you always hate to play
the team that has Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes or Jalen Hurts. Yeah,
because there's always that potential for them to go off
for fifty points. Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And when when you really hate to play those guys
is in the fantasy player Yeah, like it matters most.
It's like, all right, I've got here, I have a
lot of points, I have one of the best teams
in the league. I'm trotting not Kirk Cousins this week again.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I get out scored by thirty at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And quarterback, maybe I'd win in the margin still, but man,
that's stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah. Most overvalued wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's a big question there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't want anything to do with DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I don't think I want any cardinal period.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, the value would have to be really really prime.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like, is Marquise Brown worth more than Hopkins?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
To you? I mean I don't even care about ADP
for what they cause.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I mean, here's the thing with Hopkins, there's always the
chance that he gets moved.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I bet that's some of the allure, especially with these
underdogs things, thinking, hey, I got three months, hopefully he
ends up in Buffalo or something, right, and I'm buying
him on the cheet, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He could also get traded to New England, in which
case it you know, it doesn't be any good.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean he might also be. He might be,
but he might be on the knocking on the door.
But he's on the back nine for sure. Oh yeah,
he might have been on whole sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Most overvalued tight end Darren Waller. I could not agree more.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Okay, because I've been again, it's fantasy season, so I've
been starting to listen to more fantasy podcasts. I might
actually try underdog this year, and you know, do some things.
And this has kind of blown me away, is how
it looks like the consensus tight end tiers are Kelsey
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in his own tier. Cool. I'm not gonna fight you
on that, you know, I mean, right, Andrews in his
own tiers, and then at number two, and then it's
Waller fighting for the third spot with Kittle Hockinson. People
were torn on Pits. Goddard's not even quite there. So
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there's a lot of people that I really trust that
have Waller's are tight end three right now, and.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I see I would have Hawkinson in tier two with Andrews,
with Andrews over base. Again, we were just we just
got done talking about second half of the season, right right.
If you look at what he did once he went
to once he went to Minnesota, right where he basically
averages seven catches a game, I mean that's tight end
two or three stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He has a lot of things aligning for him in
that a team that played against him twice a year
gave up pretty good stuff to go get him, and
then immediately implemented him with a heavy target. Dude, he
was the eighth pick in the draft and now he's
hitting that magical age twenty six, twenty seven season. You know,
like he has talent, he is draft capital, he has
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his opportunity, opportunity. You know, he is a track record
with this team. Like I would definitely take Hawk Overhaul
over Waller, and.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's He's gone to a completely different situation where in
Detroit you could double the heck out of him and
force the ball to go somewhere else. Nobody's doubling him
in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No, and even Addison show enough doesn't hurt him.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
No, he's gonna get I think he gets one hundred
and thirty targets this year. And he gets one hundred
and thirty targets, he's gonna catch ninety passes.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I would say double digital touchdowns. I mean, I don't
think Adison's catching a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Somebody's gonna make up for the feeling loss. Like, no
matter what you thought of Adam, Adam feeling, Adam feeling
still cut touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think believer, But I
wouldn't have considered him with Andrews in Tier two. But
I definitely had him well ahead of.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Waller, you know, yeah, I think he's easily ahead of
Waller right, Like he's my tight three all day long.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, I can see that I had.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I had a Pits for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. I still may end up with Pits.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But as like the fifth or sixth tight end off
you can, you can have him. I'm not gonna do
that again, like.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Us that owed him just ruined their season.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Just crush me. Crushed me last year. Right, let's move
over to their most over undervalue players and again. This
is written by Chris Bags on Football siders Most Undervalued
stud running back Josh Jacobs. His ADP right now is
twenty nine point four.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Ooh, I thought he'd go much earlier than that. I
did too. I don't have a p I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'll take him in round three.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah exactly, I mean at the end of round two. Yeah,
I thought he'd be like the tenth pick overall.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, based on what he did, Like, I mean, I
led the league in rushing last year, and the.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Beauty of him is now he's catching the ball like
I was, like the player Gruden never threw him the ball.
I mean going into this year, he had one catch
his whole career on third downs. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
She's never on the field.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He's never on the field. I mean good receiver Bama.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So I was the first round pick, most undervalued up
and coming running back, Well, he says, so Tyler algaeir
Oh no ADP of eighty eight point eight.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So on Peacock and Williams and we broke down the
NFC South Draft today and I and we were talking
about the running back situation. Do you take Bijon that high?
Blah blah blah blah blah. And I have heard a
lot of people talk about Alger and Bijon could be
on the field together. You know, Bijon will be the slot.
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Alger will be in the backfield to run the ball
a lot. Maybe Algier ends up or you Bijon ends
up games with twelve carries and six targets.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Maybe maybe well, I would go back to what we
talked about last year with that Falcons team, Matt, where
if I'm the owner Arthur Blank and we've used top
ten picks, not just first round picks, but top ten
picks on a tight end, a wide receiver, and a
running back, and then I don't give them any of
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them the football on a consistent basis. I'm wondering, what
the hell are we doing? Yeah, why are we using
these top top ten picks on these guys if we're
only going to give them the ball fifteen times a game.
For Robinson's case and in the case of you know,
the tight end and wide receiver, we're not throwing them
in football. No, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So the Falcons are interesting in that I've seen a
lot of stuff about them, and also Arthur Smith. And
I'm not fighting you on this because that's exactly what happened,
is how you laid it out. But if you look
at Arthur Smith's coordinating career, he coached Matt Ryan two
years ago and then Titans with Henry and Tannehill. Well
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the time that if you look at just his quarterbacks,
including last year once Ritter took over, the number of
past attempts per game was unbelievably low when Mariota was
a quarterback. And really, if you look at just even
end of Falcons career Matt Ryan and Ritter last year,
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he threw the ball a lot more with those guys.
It's almost just a huge red flag that Mariota was
like the worst quarterback of the league. So again, I
don't want Tyler Year. Back to the original conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think is gonna be like a ten touch per
game guy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean like when I was talking about
the two running backs be on the field together, everyone
says that in May and June, and it never happens, right,
Loot and Zeke's going to be in the backfield. That
happened like twice a game.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you throw it out. There's a team we have
to say, oh, well, we better better at least look
at how we want to defend that, and then you
don't have to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It could happen.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But I mean, Algaier if if Robinson is out of
the equation for some reason, Okay, and maybe he's a
high a high end handcuff just because of the way
that they run the football on how much they want
to run it. But I don't know about undervalued.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I mean, I'd probably rather have Jayalen Warren.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I could certainly make that argument your hand.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There's also quarter Oll Patterson and you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Know, right most undervalued quarterback Anthony richardson his ADP right now,
is one fifty point four.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Okay, I wonder what quarterback that is? You know that
quarterback twenty is? I mean it's now lower.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, he doesn't have it listed in here, do it that?
But one fifty point four you're talking twelfth round? Yeah,
and it twelve teams draft?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, an underdog draft now or best ball now, and
I can get him there. I'll definitely do that, especially
in a situation like that because everyone drafts like three
quarterbacks and whoever is the best score that week, you know,
it's best ball, like you know, so even if he
doesn't start WE two doesn't kill you.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You'll have somebody else in your roster. He's gonna get
your points. And then if he happens to come in
and start playing and blows up and blows up I
mean rushes for one hundred yards and a touchdown every game, Yeah,
then you then you got something.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But most you and I all of our listeners do
their normal. But you know, with your buddies drafts, you're
gonna have a lot more injury.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And you'll well, yeah, you'll have way more info on
what Richardson is, what he's going to be, is he is? He?
You know the leader in the clubhouse to start. Is
he gonna I think he probably ends up sitting for
a while there before he plays, but you'll have a
package for him of some type mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like in Dynasty, he's going way ahead of Bryce Young
and Stroud because he's gonna play some year.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I think that's a mistake, though, I'd rather have
the guy who I know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I wouldn't for Dynasty quarterbacks because all I care about
Tom runs. I don't want singles and doubles.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, but is Anthony richards I mean, there's a much
better chance at three years from now Anthony Richardson is
Shamarcus Russell.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh yeah, but it's easy to find his replacement if
you miss.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I guess, I guess when you look at it that way.
But I feel much better about you know, Stroud and
Young getting an opportunity to every opportunity to show that
they're you know, NFL caliber quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I also think they have a better chance to be
a starter for three four years from now. But just
in terms of Dynasty quarterbacks, you just swing for the
fences because if you miss your draft one next year,
you'll draft the USC could next year, and you know, yeah,
not that expensive.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Most undervalued wide receiver Deonte George Pickens sixty sixty six
point seven ADP.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think him and Deyontay are going very close.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
To each Oh, they're going very close, and I don't
think well, first of all, I mean we talked about
this last week. Deontay's going to finish with more catches.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, he's gonna catch touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
He's gonna catch some touchdowns. Dickens is going to finish
with more yards probably yeah, and probably more touchdowns mm hm.
But they're their overall point totals. I think this year
are going to be very close to each other.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be like Mike Williams versus
Keenan Allen, you know, Godwin versus Evans. You know which
one do you prefer? I can make it.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And they're gonna be some weeks where you know, teams
are going to pick their poison. They're gonna double Pickens
and leave Deontay one on one, or they're gonna double
Deontay and leave Pickens one on one.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, or one's better versus man, one's better verse own
you know, one nursing and knee or you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, But I think both. I think both are gonna
wind up very undervalued in fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do too, and deontay to me, just the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The Steelers are gonna have more than ten touchdown passes
this year.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, they'll double that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, so more than Yeah, you know, I think you
know if I look at.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And I don't think Robinson changes by perspective on those
two from a fantasy perspective, No.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Not at all, not at all. If you can get
if you can get Pickings at sixty six point seven,
what is that? Uh, that's right around round five. So
basically you're gonna get him as your wide receiver two
or three.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That seems about right for today, though, I mean, there's
so many receivers.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
In the league. If I get him as my wide
receiver three, I'm feeling pretty good about me.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I feel pretty good at that. He's ever gonna leave
the field.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh yeah, he's gonna be out there constantly, and he's
gonna get one hundred targets, one hundred plus targets year.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yes, would you take both? I know I already know
this answer. I shouldn't even mention it. You'll take both
Steelers over any Raven in fantasy. Yes, because again those
three are all going right next to each other. Two
but that's three heads instead of two. I mean, I
think that's an easy Would you take either Steeler over
a Mary Cooper. I'm not a Cooper believer, but he's
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clear Cooper's Cooper's home road splitzer are troubling, Yeah, I
mean when when Mary Cooper on the road is a jag.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah yeah, Mary Cooper at home is a stud. This
is this is not just last year, this is over
the course of his career. Oh it's amazing that the
home road splits. So you know, when you balance it
all out, would I take him arguably? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I don't love the Browns passing game, but Cooper's
he's the number one. He's a clear number one. He's
gonna get the most targets in that offense.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm trying to think, like receivers off the top of
my head that are right there with Deontay and Pickens,
you know, like Mike Williams, what neighborhood are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Jerry Judy, I think I think Sutton Judy is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like I'm not big on Sutton. That's why I threw
Judy out not so Yeah, I'd take both dealers over Suddon.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But I think I mean, Deontay's gonna get one hundred
and thirty plus targets again this year, right, right, right,
I mean that's just what he demands, those kind of
targets like all open and he's not He's not gonna
have zero touchdowns again. We're not going to happen. So
if he gets he gets back you know two years ago,
yet he had eight two years ago. Let's say he
goes out and gets half of that. Let's say he
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has four touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
This year, then we would all take the over on that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So if he has eight over eighty five catches, which
he should do, and a thousand yards and five touchdowns,
he's a wide receiver too, all day long. Yeah, yeah,
worderline wide receiver one depending on the touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I don't care as much about week to week consistency,
but he's very consistent week to week because he gets
double digit targets every week.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He's not the Sean Jackson, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, no, I inter you know, if we're in a
PPR league, I'll take Deontay Johnson all day long, m.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
H oh no, that's why I thought he'd be the
most underrated guy in the whole group.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Most undervalued tight end Dallas Goddard. Okay, his ADP is
sixty eight point seven.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
All his underlying metrics are phenomenal, you know, yards per route,
run efficiency numbers. My beef with him against even like
a Friar Mooth is he's definitely third on that team.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
There's a lot of mouse to feet and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I mean he's definitely third. He's a clear third, but
he's definitely third. I mean, DeVante Smith's a star and
people don't look at him that way. And Brown's a
going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna those guys demand their targets.
I mean that's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. Yeah, which is fine. I mean he's still he
makes the most of them and it's a good offense.
It's it's a lot of first downs and scores a
lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, that's it for his undervalue guys, anybody he would include.
I mean, we're not looking at the list year in
terms of I bet you, I get almost guarantee you
that Lamar is under gonna be undervalued this year.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I was thinking that too. You know, like six thousand
yards is not gonna do that, that's bonkers.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But if Lamar throws for four thousand, right.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And even eighty percent of his normal rushing total, it's
pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean even you even if you look at his
stats from last year and I'm pulling them up here,
if he throws for where was he at last year?
So his best season thus far, he's thrown for thirty
one hundred yards, okay, and I bet he have clips
is that that was his second year when he won
the MVP at thirty thirty one hundred yards, passing thirty
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six touchdowns. And remember too, that was that was playing
fifteen games. So if he plays all, if he somehow
plays all seventeen, maybe four thousand is a bit much.
But thirty five hundred I.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Don't think that's crazy. I'd think they're gonna throw the
ball more and more efficiently, and his receivers are getting
more after the catch for him than he has. Things
like that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
The question with Lamar is does he run as much?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't think he will, but I think he'll still
be eighty percent of what he usually.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Does, which is so in twenty nineteen, that was twelve
hundred rushing yards. In twenty twenty and fifteen games, that
was one thousand rushing yards. Now, in twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two, he played twelve games. In each
of those seasons, it was seven sixty seven and seven
sixty four. Almost identical.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, all right, let's let's play a little game. They
used to do this on Matthew Berry did the ESPN
Fantasy Show. They could do the name game. Lamar or
Burrow Burrow.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Trickly fantasy, of course, strictly fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, Lamar or Fields.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'll take Lamar.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think I agree on both of those. I trust
Borrow to play more games too.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah. Well, that's that's the thing. I'm factoring it like
he's going to play games and he's going to throw
touchdown passes, like they're going they're going to throw the football.
I don't think they're going to run the ball effect
all that effectively this year.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Lamar or Lawrence, Lamar, Lamar Tua.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Lamar.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I don't think either one of those is even close.
Lamar or Herbert. That one I could fight either way on.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I'd probably take Lamark. I mean again, assuming he's back
running the ball. If he runs for eight hundred yards
this year, Herbert's gonna run for three hundred. So is
Herbert's gonna make up five hundred yards passing in five
rushing touchdowns with his with his passing debatable? Debatable?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So I mean the other names I could even consider,
and I reached on two and a couple of them,
Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott. I mean, I think I'm taking
Lamar all day.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I'll take Lamar over those guys.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, so he's like six five something like that, right, But.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I don't know, given the injury history the last two seasons,
the team people are gonna are gonna be willing to
take him. There. He fell farther in last year's draft
than he probably deserved too. Absolutely, absolutely, I think in
our draft, I think he went in like the sixth round.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, Yeah, I think you're right, because I was going.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
To take him and he was he was sitting there
and I'm like, I'll take Lamar with the next pick,
and then he got taken three picks ahead of me, Like, well,
I guess I'm out of that market.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But yeah, it does like there's the back of the
earlier conversation whatever order you like, Mahomes Allen Hurts, they
seem like tier one.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Then I'd probably put Burrow behind that, and then probably Lamar.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah yeah, and Burrow versus Lamar is a conversation too,
like that. To me, it's not a slam dunk, but
it's I would take Burrow. I just trust the injury
history more exactly exactly. Fields is a big producer and
he actually has some weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Now, I would still put him in right behind Lamar,
behind those guys. How about the rushing is going to
be similar, but I trust Lamar as a passer more.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think fields Is rushing will actually be better.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well then, yeah, I mean I think it will similarly.
By similar, I mean Fields finishes with eleven or twelve
hundred rushing yards of La Mars eight or nine hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean they're both gonna be like top three runners.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean you're talking about maybe three points a game
on the.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Ground, yeah, yeah, whereas Herbert's a conversation for me, yeah yeah,
then you're talking like quarterbacks seven.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I mean, Fields of the second half of last season
was a monster.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was a monster. Right. So we had this conversation
before about the overrated quarterbacks. How I don't want to
pay mid second round value or mid second round pick
for those top three. But I don't think I want
to drift too far away from Herbert Fields at seven either.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
No, I feel like that's pretty good. Yeah, if I
can get one of those guys in round five or six,
I feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Because like some of the lists I've seen, I mean,
like quarterback nine ten is like Deshaun Watson, yeah, Richardson,
you know, like big question mark guys, Yeah, Russell Wilson,
I'm sure right, Aaron Rodgers, you know, his way back
into that conversation, Like, I don't want I don't want
to deal with those guys. I just pulled up a
ranking as Gino Smith as their quarterback twelve. Yuck, yuck,
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Dak thirteen and Geno twelve. Like, I'll take Dak over him,
but I'd rather take Daniel Jones at fifteen or somebody
that runs.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't probably think of Daniel Jones. No,
some of those other guys.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You get some pass catchers now, yeah, interesting, No, But
I like Lamar's value if you can get him fifth round.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is
Matt Williamson, and well, Matt, let's talk a little.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Fantasy football today, all right, kind of lean in that way.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, So Football Outsiders, I.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Think fantasy seasons officially started.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's pretty much, yeah, we know what the rosters are
largely going to be now. There's not going to be
any big surprises in terms of skill position players. There
may be a trade, maybe Austin eclar gets moved or
something like that, but by and large we know who
the players are at this point. So Football Outsiders did
a little thing here, Most undervalued and most overvalued Fantasy
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football draft players here. Let's start with the overvalued players first.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I assume this is going to be based off Bestball
because basketball right now is on fire. Yeah, the Best
Ball mania and all this stuff going on. So we're
getting ADPs, you know, which is yeah good. That's why
I said, I really do think it's this is the
beginning of fantasy season.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is written by.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Chris Bags Football Tiders. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, so his most overvalued stud running back Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He worries me too.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
His ADP is fourteen point three on Underdog Fantasy's twenty
seventh rated running back in the air player in the
quote unquote spags ranking. I guess he has his own
rankings with this. Okay, I'm gonna have in a heavy
workload last year.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Heavy workload injury history. But all backs do, I mean
hold I don't hold that against backs too much. It's
just kind of nature of the beast. It's some small thing.
But they drafted Gray in the fifth round. I think
you just want to take three touches off his plate
per game. It's not they invested so heavily in wide receivers.
(02:09):
I think they throw the ball a little bit more,
and he's starting to get to that age where he
could drop off a little, you know, like, I don't
think end of the second round. Yeah, I'm in on Saquan.
Maybe in the middle of the second round, but not
it's a turn.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, that's where it's gonna be tough. And he honestly
could have gone with a number of different backs on
this list.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Derrick Henry Henry shares the heck out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Josh Jacob scares me after the workload he had last year,
and I don't think they're going to be a very
good football team. And then Joe Mixon. I mean we're
talking about three guys, well two of them, Henry and Mixon.
We're basically first round, you know, early second round players.
Then I don't know if I want to touch this year.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I thought Mixing looked bad last year. Yeah, and his
numbers weren't great. The other two i'd throw in there,
I don't. I still not convinced Dalvin Cook's even going
to be a Viking. And I thought his tape fell
off last year. And I don't know what to do
Abou Kamaraw. I mean, there's still a really good chance
he gets suspended. And he's that age too. I mean,
(03:13):
that's that's the Connor draft class, you know Henry, right, Yeah,
Like that's that's scary neighborhood. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, they're getting up in age. And for Cook and
for example, you know there's talk about him potentially being traded. Well,
I mean that's going to factor in, Like if he
lands in a good situation, that makes all the difference
in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But sure, sure you know, if, for.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Example, the Saints trade for him, well, now kills both
his value and that of right, you know it just
Camar just kills them both. Most overvalued up and coming
running back Khalil Herbert ninety seven point four ADP. He
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as him as one hundred and seventh ranked player.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Like for all the Dynasty stuff I do, Herbert with
stock was going up, up, up up up, and then
they signed for him, and okay, that's not that big
a competition. He knew he wasn't gonna have the backfield
to himself, but then they took Roshawn Johnson too, and
they're all kind of the same. It's not like this
will be your role. He will be the goal line guy, right,
you know, it's one too many miles on an offense
(04:25):
that fields is going to get ten carries anyway and
probably score ten rushing touchdowns. So no fault of his own.
His situation got worse for Fantasy lately. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean everybody got excited when David Montgomery left and
was like, oh, right, well so much for that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he'd love for it just to be him and
Montgomery right.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Now, Oh absolutely, yeah, Now, at least they had clear
cut roles in mctgomery, you know, expecting him to stay healthy.
Most overvalued quarterback, and boy, he's got three of them
on here, Josh Allen, Patrick Holmes, and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They're eighty three.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
They're ADP eighteen point seven, eighteen point nine, and twenty
point six.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, I think they're the top three. I know Allen's
the one right at least install.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Any you know, long time listeners to our show. Now,
we did talk about this last year as in the
build up or lead up to fantasy football drafts, like
I would love to have any of those guys on
my team, of course, but probably not where I got
a draft them.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They were like eighteen nineteen twenty in that neighborhood. I
mean they were like mid second rounders right now. Yeah,
I mean that's steep. So I've taken a step back
in my fantasy life and thought, Matt, you don't always
have to be the eleventh or twelfth guy in your
leading draft. You know, it doesn't have to be the rule.
You know, And like last year I took Trey Lance
(05:51):
and I'm like, all right, I'll be fine. Well, I
do think this past year that those three quarterbacks that
you mentioned, not coincidentally, won a lot of fantasy championships.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They did. They The thing is, though, like Jalen, he
didn't take Jalen Hurts at twenty. That's what it took
Jalen Hurts at eighty right, right, right right, And so.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I might be more up for taking fields in the
fifth round. And Aaron Rodgers are around above his ADP
or two or Lamar Lamar, you know, like I'm I
don't think I'll be the last one drafting a quarterback anymore,
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but I won't be the first. But I do want
to be tier two with upside and maybe get two
of them and hope I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Hurts, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you always hate to play
the team that has Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes or Jalen Hurts. Yeah,
because there's always that potential for them to go off
for fifty points. Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And when when you really hate to play those guys
is in the fantasy player Yeah, like it matters most.
It's like, all right, I've got here, I have a
lot of points, I have one of the best teams
in the league. I'm trotting not Kirk Cousins this week again.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I get out scored by thirty at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And quarterback, maybe I'd win in the margin still, but man,
that's stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah. Most overvalued wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's a big question there.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't want anything to do with DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I don't think I want any cardinal period.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, the value would have to be really really prime.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like, is Marquise Brown worth more than Hopkins?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
To you? I mean I don't even care about ADP
for what they cause.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I mean, here's the thing with Hopkins, there's always the
chance that he gets moved.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I bet that's some of the allure, especially with these
underdogs things, thinking, hey, I got three months, hopefully he
ends up in Buffalo or something, right, and I'm buying
him on the cheet, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He could also get traded to New England, in which
case it you know, it doesn't be any good.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean he might also be. He might be,
but he might be on the knocking on the door.
But he's on the back nine for sure. Oh yeah,
he might have been on whole sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Most overvalued tight end Darren Waller. I could not agree more.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Okay, because I've been again, it's fantasy season, so I've
been starting to listen to more fantasy podcasts. I might
actually try underdog this year, and you know, do some things.
And this has kind of blown me away, is how
it looks like the consensus tight end tiers are Kelsey
(08:53):
in his own tier. Cool. I'm not gonna fight you
on that, you know, I mean, right, Andrews in his
own tiers, and then at number two, and then it's
Waller fighting for the third spot with Kittle Hockinson. People
were torn on Pits. Goddard's not even quite there. So
(09:14):
there's a lot of people that I really trust that
have Waller's are tight end three right now, and.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I see I would have Hawkinson in tier two with Andrews,
with Andrews over base. Again, we were just we just
got done talking about second half of the season, right right.
If you look at what he did once he went
to once he went to Minnesota, right where he basically
averages seven catches a game, I mean that's tight end
two or three stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He has a lot of things aligning for him in
that a team that played against him twice a year
gave up pretty good stuff to go get him, and
then immediately implemented him with a heavy target. Dude, he
was the eighth pick in the draft and now he's
hitting that magical age twenty six, twenty seven season. You know,
like he has talent, he is draft capital, he has
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his opportunity, opportunity. You know, he is a track record
with this team. Like I would definitely take Hawk Overhaul
over Waller, and.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He's He's gone to a completely different situation where in
Detroit you could double the heck out of him and
force the ball to go somewhere else. Nobody's doubling him
in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No, and even Addison show enough doesn't hurt him.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
No, he's gonna get I think he gets one hundred
and thirty targets this year. And he gets one hundred
and thirty targets, he's gonna catch ninety passes.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I would say double digital touchdowns. I mean, I don't
think Adison's catching a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Somebody's gonna make up for the feeling loss. Like, no
matter what you thought of Adam, Adam feeling, Adam feeling
still cut touchdown passes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think believer, But I
wouldn't have considered him with Andrews in Tier two. But
I definitely had him well ahead of.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Waller, you know, yeah, I think he's easily ahead of
Waller right, Like he's my tight three all day long.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, I can see that I had.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I had a Pits for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. I still may end up with Pits.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But as like the fifth or sixth tight end off
you can, you can have him. I'm not gonna do
that again, like.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Us that owed him just ruined their season.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Just crush me. Crushed me last year. Right, let's move
over to their most over undervalue players and again. This
is written by Chris Bags on Football siders Most Undervalued
stud running back Josh Jacobs. His ADP right now is
twenty nine point four.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Ooh, I thought he'd go much earlier than that. I
did too. I don't have a p I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'll take him in round three.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah exactly, I mean at the end of round two. Yeah,
I thought he'd be like the tenth pick overall.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, based on what he did, Like, I mean, I
led the league in rushing last year, and the.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Beauty of him is now he's catching the ball like
I was, like the player Gruden never threw him the ball.
I mean going into this year, he had one catch
his whole career on third downs. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
She's never on the field.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He's never on the field. I mean good receiver Bama.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So I was the first round pick, most undervalued up
and coming running back, Well, he says, so Tyler algaeir
Oh no ADP of eighty eight point eight.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
So on Peacock and Williams and we broke down the
NFC South Draft today and I and we were talking
about the running back situation. Do you take Bijon that high?
Blah blah blah blah blah. And I have heard a
lot of people talk about Alger and Bijon could be
on the field together. You know, Bijon will be the slot.
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Alger will be in the backfield to run the ball
a lot. Maybe Algier ends up or you Bijon ends
up games with twelve carries and six targets.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Maybe maybe well, I would go back to what we
talked about last year with that Falcons team, Matt, where
if I'm the owner Arthur Blank and we've used top
ten picks, not just first round picks, but top ten
picks on a tight end, a wide receiver, and a
running back, and then I don't give them any of
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them the football on a consistent basis. I'm wondering, what
the hell are we doing? Yeah, why are we using
these top top ten picks on these guys if we're
only going to give them the ball fifteen times a game.
For Robinson's case and in the case of you know,
the tight end and wide receiver, we're not throwing them
in football. No, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So the Falcons are interesting in that I've seen a
lot of stuff about them, and also Arthur Smith. And
I'm not fighting you on this because that's exactly what happened,
is how you laid it out. But if you look
at Arthur Smith's coordinating career, he coached Matt Ryan two
years ago and then Titans with Henry and Tannehill. Well
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the time that if you look at just his quarterbacks,
including last year once Ritter took over, the number of
past attempts per game was unbelievably low when Mariota was
a quarterback. And really, if you look at just even
end of Falcons career Matt Ryan and Ritter last year,
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he threw the ball a lot more with those guys.
It's almost just a huge red flag that Mariota was
like the worst quarterback of the league. So again, I
don't want Tyler Year. Back to the original conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think is gonna be like a ten touch per
game guy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah yeah, I mean like when I was talking about
the two running backs be on the field together, everyone
says that in May and June, and it never happens, right,
Loot and Zeke's going to be in the backfield. That
happened like twice a game.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you throw it out. There's a team we have
to say, oh, well, we better better at least look
at how we want to defend that, and then you
don't have to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It could happen.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But I mean, Algaier if if Robinson is out of
the equation for some reason, Okay, and maybe he's a
high a high end handcuff just because of the way
that they run the football on how much they want
to run it. But I don't know about undervalued.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I mean, I'd probably rather have Jayalen Warren.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, I could certainly make that argument your hand.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There's also quarter Oll Patterson and you.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Know, right most undervalued quarterback Anthony richardson his ADP right now,
is one fifty point four.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Okay, I wonder what quarterback that is? You know that
quarterback twenty is? I mean it's now lower.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, he doesn't have it listed in here, do it that?
But one fifty point four you're talking twelfth round? Yeah,
and it twelve teams draft?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, an underdog draft now or best ball now, and
I can get him there. I'll definitely do that, especially
in a situation like that because everyone drafts like three
quarterbacks and whoever is the best score that week, you know,
it's best ball, like you know, so even if he
doesn't start WE two doesn't kill you.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You'll have somebody else in your roster. He's gonna get
your points. And then if he happens to come in
and start playing and blows up and blows up I
mean rushes for one hundred yards and a touchdown every game, Yeah,
then you then you got something.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But most you and I all of our listeners do
their normal. But you know, with your buddies drafts, you're
gonna have a lot more injury.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And you'll well, yeah, you'll have way more info on
what Richardson is, what he's going to be, is he is? He?
You know the leader in the clubhouse to start. Is
he gonna I think he probably ends up sitting for
a while there before he plays, but you'll have a
package for him of some type mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like in Dynasty, he's going way ahead of Bryce Young
and Stroud because he's gonna play some year.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I think that's a mistake, though, I'd rather have
the guy who I know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I wouldn't for Dynasty quarterbacks because all I care about
Tom runs. I don't want singles and doubles.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, but is Anthony richards I mean, there's a much
better chance at three years from now Anthony Richardson is
Shamarcus Russell.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh yeah, but it's easy to find his replacement if
you miss.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I guess, I guess when you look at it that way.
But I feel much better about you know, Stroud and
Young getting an opportunity to every opportunity to show that
they're you know, NFL caliber quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I also think they have a better chance to be
a starter for three four years from now. But just
in terms of Dynasty quarterbacks, you just swing for the
fences because if you miss your draft one next year,
you'll draft the USC could next year, and you know, yeah,
not that expensive.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Most undervalued wide receiver Deonte George Pickens sixty sixty six
point seven ADP.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think him and Deyontay are going very close.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
To each Oh, they're going very close, and I don't
think well, first of all, I mean we talked about
this last week. Deontay's going to finish with more catches.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, he's gonna catch touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
He's gonna catch some touchdowns. Dickens is going to finish
with more yards probably yeah, and probably more touchdowns mm hm.
But they're their overall point totals. I think this year
are going to be very close to each other.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be like Mike Williams versus
Keenan Allen, you know, Godwin versus Evans. You know which
one do you prefer? I can make it.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And they're gonna be some weeks where you know, teams
are going to pick their poison. They're gonna double Pickens
and leave Deontay one on one, or they're gonna double
Deontay and leave Pickens one on one.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, or one's better versus man, one's better verse own
you know, one nursing and knee or you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, But I think both. I think both are gonna
wind up very undervalued in fantasy football.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I do too, and deontay to me, just the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The Steelers are gonna have more than ten touchdown passes
this year.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, they'll double that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, so more than Yeah, you know, I think you
know if I look at.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And I don't think Robinson changes by perspective on those
two from a fantasy perspective, No.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Not at all, not at all. If you can get
if you can get Pickings at sixty six point seven,
what is that? Uh, that's right around round five. So
basically you're gonna get him as your wide receiver two
or three.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That seems about right for today, though, I mean, there's
so many receivers.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
In the league. If I get him as my wide
receiver three, I'm feeling pretty good about me.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I feel pretty good at that. He's ever gonna leave
the field.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh yeah, he's gonna be out there constantly, and he's
gonna get one hundred targets, one hundred plus targets year.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yes, would you take both? I know I already know
this answer. I shouldn't even mention it. You'll take both
Steelers over any Raven in fantasy. Yes, because again those
three are all going right next to each other. Two
but that's three heads instead of two. I mean, I
think that's an easy Would you take either Steeler over
a Mary Cooper. I'm not a Cooper believer, but he's
(20:24):
clear Cooper's Cooper's home road splitzer are troubling, Yeah, I
mean when when Mary Cooper on the road is a jag.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah yeah, Mary Cooper at home is a stud. This
is this is not just last year, this is over
the course of his career. Oh it's amazing that the
home road splits. So you know, when you balance it
all out, would I take him arguably? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I don't love the Browns passing game, but Cooper's
he's the number one. He's a clear number one. He's
gonna get the most targets in that offense.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm trying to think, like receivers off the top of
my head that are right there with Deontay and Pickens,
you know, like Mike Williams, what neighborhood are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Jerry Judy, I think I think Sutton Judy is a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like I'm not big on Sutton. That's why I threw
Judy out not so Yeah, I'd take both dealers over Suddon.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But I think I mean, Deontay's gonna get one hundred
and thirty plus targets again this year, right, right, right,
I mean that's just what he demands, those kind of
targets like all open and he's not He's not gonna
have zero touchdowns again. We're not going to happen. So
if he gets he gets back you know two years ago,
yet he had eight two years ago. Let's say he
goes out and gets half of that. Let's say he
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has four touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
This year, then we would all take the over on that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So if he has eight over eighty five catches, which
he should do, and a thousand yards and five touchdowns,
he's a wide receiver too, all day long. Yeah, yeah,
worderline wide receiver one depending on the touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I don't care as much about week to week consistency,
but he's very consistent week to week because he gets
double digit targets every week.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He's not the Sean Jackson, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, no, I inter you know, if we're in a
PPR league, I'll take Deontay Johnson all day long, m.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
H oh no, that's why I thought he'd be the
most underrated guy in the whole group.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Most undervalued tight end Dallas Goddard. Okay, his ADP is
sixty eight point seven.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
All his underlying metrics are phenomenal, you know, yards per route,
run efficiency numbers. My beef with him against even like
a Friar Mooth is he's definitely third on that team.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
There's a lot of mouse to feet and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I mean he's definitely third. He's a clear third, but
he's definitely third. I mean, DeVante Smith's a star and
people don't look at him that way. And Brown's a
going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna those guys demand their targets.
I mean that's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. Yeah, which is fine. I mean he's still he
makes the most of them and it's a good offense.
It's it's a lot of first downs and scores a
lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, that's it for his undervalue guys, anybody he would include.
I mean, we're not looking at the list year in
terms of I bet you, I get almost guarantee you
that Lamar is under gonna be undervalued this year.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I was thinking that too. You know, like six thousand
yards is not gonna do that, that's bonkers.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But if Lamar throws for four thousand, right.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And even eighty percent of his normal rushing total, it's
pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean even you even if you look at his
stats from last year and I'm pulling them up here,
if he throws for where was he at last year?
So his best season thus far, he's thrown for thirty
one hundred yards, okay, and I bet he have clips
is that that was his second year when he won
the MVP at thirty thirty one hundred yards, passing thirty
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six touchdowns. And remember too, that was that was playing
fifteen games. So if he plays all, if he somehow
plays all seventeen, maybe four thousand is a bit much.
But thirty five hundred I.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Don't think that's crazy. I'd think they're gonna throw the
ball more and more efficiently, and his receivers are getting
more after the catch for him than he has. Things
like that.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
The question with Lamar is does he run as much?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't think he will, but I think he'll still
be eighty percent of what he usually.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Does, which is so in twenty nineteen, that was twelve
hundred rushing yards. In twenty twenty and fifteen games, that
was one thousand rushing yards. Now, in twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two, he played twelve games. In each
of those seasons, it was seven sixty seven and seven
sixty four. Almost identical.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Wow, all right, let's let's play a little game. They
used to do this on Matthew Berry did the ESPN
Fantasy Show. They could do the name game. Lamar or
Burrow Burrow.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Trickly fantasy, of course, strictly fantasy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, Lamar or Fields.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'll take Lamar.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think I agree on both of those. I trust
Borrow to play more games too.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah. Well, that's that's the thing. I'm factoring it like
he's going to play games and he's going to throw
touchdown passes, like they're going they're going to throw the football.
I don't think they're going to run the ball effect
all that effectively this year.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Lamar or Lawrence, Lamar, Lamar Tua.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Lamar.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I don't think either one of those is even close.
Lamar or Herbert. That one I could fight either way on.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I'd probably take Lamark. I mean again, assuming he's back
running the ball. If he runs for eight hundred yards
this year, Herbert's gonna run for three hundred. So is
Herbert's gonna make up five hundred yards passing in five
rushing touchdowns with his with his passing debatable? Debatable?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So I mean the other names I could even consider,
and I reached on two and a couple of them,
Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott. I mean, I think I'm taking
Lamar all day.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I'll take Lamar over those guys.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, so he's like six five something like that, right, But.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I don't know, given the injury history the last two seasons,
the team people are gonna are gonna be willing to
take him. There. He fell farther in last year's draft
than he probably deserved too. Absolutely, absolutely, I think in
our draft, I think he went in like the sixth round.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, Yeah, I think you're right, because I was going.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
To take him and he was he was sitting there
and I'm like, I'll take Lamar with the next pick,
and then he got taken three picks ahead of me, Like, well,
I guess I'm out of that market.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But yeah, it does like there's the back of the
earlier conversation whatever order you like, Mahomes Allen Hurts, they
seem like tier one.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Then I'd probably put Burrow behind that, and then probably Lamar.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah yeah, and Burrow versus Lamar is a conversation too,
like that. To me, it's not a slam dunk, but
it's I would take Burrow. I just trust the injury
history more exactly exactly. Fields is a big producer and
he actually has some weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Now, I would still put him in right behind Lamar,
behind those guys. How about the rushing is going to
be similar, but I trust Lamar as a passer more.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I think fields Is rushing will actually be better.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well then, yeah, I mean I think it will similarly.
By similar, I mean Fields finishes with eleven or twelve
hundred rushing yards of La Mars eight or nine hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, I mean they're both gonna be like top three runners.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean you're talking about maybe three points a game
on the.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Ground, yeah, yeah, whereas Herbert's a conversation for me, yeah yeah,
then you're talking like quarterbacks seven.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I mean, Fields of the second half of last season
was a monster.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was a monster. Right. So we had this conversation
before about the overrated quarterbacks. How I don't want to
pay mid second round value or mid second round pick
for those top three. But I don't think I want
to drift too far away from Herbert Fields at seven either.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
No, I feel like that's pretty good. Yeah, if I
can get one of those guys in round five or six,
I feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Because like some of the lists I've seen, I mean,
like quarterback nine ten is like Deshaun Watson, yeah, Richardson,
you know, like big question mark guys, Yeah, Russell Wilson,
I'm sure right, Aaron Rodgers, you know, his way back
into that conversation, Like, I don't want I don't want
to deal with those guys. I just pulled up a
ranking as Gino Smith as their quarterback twelve. Yuck, yuck,
(29:10):
Dak thirteen and Geno twelve. Like, I'll take Dak over him,
but I'd rather take Daniel Jones at fifteen or somebody
that runs.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't probably think of Daniel Jones. No,
some of those other guys.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
You get some pass catchers now, yeah, interesting, No, But
I like Lamar's value if you can get him fifth round.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, that's that's that seems about right. Hey, did you
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for our show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson,
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