Go See The Lady!! (part two)

Welcome back to part two of So Shameless!

We continue the episode with the top ten struggles that men face, Malcolm Jamal Warners tragic passing, RIP Hulk Hogan?? De-Blacking a home and would yall put your kids on a no room policy? ENJOY!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you know what I'm saying so so shameless, if
you know what I'm saying so shameless, if you know
what I'm saying so shamous, so shameless.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And so so.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So shameless, if you know what I'm saying so shameless,
if you know what I'm saying so shameless, if you
know what I'm saying so shameless, if you know what

(00:42):
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So shameless, Assuming that I continue along this path with
this conversation, Uh, I have so many different topics, Yo,
I've just been sitting there. You know, i'd be just
liking today, be sending me topics. It's a million different things. Right,
let me see what I have here, The top ten

(01:04):
struggles men face. I don't even know if I want
to do this kadagis and be like, y'all gotta figure
it out.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah you want to hit this, Yeah he hit that.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Near to normalize the emotional and mental strain of men,
to bridge faith, therapy and authentic expression, and to invite
men into a space of reflection, risk, and renewal. Primarily
I work with like nineteen. The ninety two percent of
my clients are men or young boys. The overwhelming majority
are black men. In that I have thought about what
are some of the struggles that I continue to see

(01:37):
if any of these ring true? Just not allow pressure
to perform always having to show up emotional suppression that
means only a few emotions are safe for me to display. Anger,
frustration may be high functioning depression and anxiety.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
M mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
I rarely get too many head nods with that one,
but gon, we're gonna jump into that one.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
The fear of being a burden.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
And mother woond slash, accent role mouse, masculinity, confusion, addiction
as coping, identity crisis with aging. Relational insecurity really just
meaning how secure in my relationships, whether it's friendships, my marriage,
my dating, my children? How secure do I really feel
that those relationships are concrete and solid? And really this

(02:22):
one should be first spiritual disconnection?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Mm hmm. He smoked that? Did he did? He smoked that?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
But what yet we're still expected to be leaders, We're
still expected to know what the fuck to do?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
What? Why is that good?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Complain?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, I'm not, Maybe I am, I don't know, I don't.
I just think it's hard being a man. It's hard
to be a man. But y'all need more sleep. You laughing,
you're laughing.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I am laughing. I'm laughing. Is that some bullshit?

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Because half the that ship.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
That he named the same shit that black women go
through every day. So I'm trying to understand, Like where
we but what were we talking about?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah? This is this is normal life ship.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
This is like the come out we caught off. Like
how he was listening ten reasons about black men. How
is that in conjunction with black women?

Speaker 7 (03:15):
Because the things that he listed that black men go through,
except for the last maybe four, are very closely aligned
and conducive with the same thing that black women. Hell yeah,
really yes, constantly, especially when you bring in colorism. How
many times have I been called angry just for asking

(03:37):
a question or just for emoting it? As far as
I literally have to suppress my emotions every single day
because if not, I'm an angry black woman.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
But you know it's angry black women and angry black
man too, you know the big.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
That's the thing.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
No, I get that, That's what I'm saying. So I said,
half of that list we.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Are living the same existence.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
But that's but you're saying that now. But I don't
understand some of the points that you've been making. If
you feel that way and you're saying the contrast to that,
how because you're saying we live essentially we walk along
the same path alte, but you're saying there needs to
be separate treatment for both of us. No women need
to be treated with this and the men need to
be treated here. But we walk in the same path

(04:19):
according to what you're saying.

Speaker 7 (04:20):
Because I understand what I'm I think the base root
of what I'm getting at is being a black woman
in America. It's like we're black first and we're women third.
See women technically the way that women are supposed to
be portrayed or have been portrayed, like they're soft, they

(04:40):
should be protected. We're supposed to be dainty, We're supposed
to be demure, we're supposed to be like all of
these different things, right, Like, there is a softness to
women that does not align with Black women because Black
women have to be strong, we have to be independent,
we have to be self sufficient, we have to mask
our true emo because people feel like when we emote

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that we're being angry, we're being combative, Like all of
these different things, So we're very closely aligned with you,
but other women of other races do not have the
same stigma over their head. So that's why it's such
a more stressful space for black women. And I think
that that's when sometimes I'm going to speak for myself

(05:24):
where I say, sometimes I lack empathy for black men
sometimes because the struggles that y'all have that y'all are
just kind of like putting words to and itemizing are
the same struggles that we have, but we still don't
have that space of softness to land here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (05:45):
What space do men have in that same point?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
None?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
So, But that's my point. Why is it?

Speaker 8 (05:51):
Why are we always going back and about black men
or as black women if we're in the same boat.
That's why I always say, like Nigga are always arguing
about who's losing the.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Worse she's She was like, Oh, it's funny to me,
but it's like, Yo, we were just talking about the
ship we men go through.

Speaker 7 (06:04):
And I said, no, I said it's funny to me
because as he was going through the list, I literally
paralleled until maybe number six that I'm just like.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Okay, but so, but why can't we just speak about
the things that men go through without y'all saying we
go through that too, because women were not even mentioned.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
That's why I said, that wasn't even a part of
the mix.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
So what is the question?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
It wasn't a question.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
No, I'm asking him, what is the question?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
They're not paying it though.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
No, we're just talking about what men go through.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, And I understand that right there there is.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
A immediate connection to what women go through.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
It was an immediate connection to what black women go through. Yes,
why because I don't think that black women are often
treated as women.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
You know, I don't really see I really don't want
to do the compare thing, right. I do believe that
there's more space for women to be human than men, period.
And I don't even know if that's a black or
colored thing. There's just more space for women to be here.

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I think there's more understanding for women to have struggles
or need assistance, or need empathy or.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Whatever than men.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
So there's really no even reason for us to do
this because that wasn't even the point.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
But we was talking about men.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
We led with this whole conversation with this guy and
this situation and him not knowing how to communicate his
feelings or not feeling that he could do this, or
the expectation of him being a father.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's what we threw out him. You're you're supposed to
be this, You're supposed to be a man, you're supposed
to be that.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
In the other there's a lack of humanity that goes
into that that I do believe we should be discussed.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Yeah, I agree, not before I said before, I think
a lot of these conversations, to your point, we missed
the humanity of it, and I think were missing that.
We're all humans at the end of the day, and
we're always pointing at each other trying to find the
you know what I'm saying. But just to the point
we're walking on damn there similar paths, but we're always
finding the reason to say, well, why that path wasn't this,

(08:19):
or why that path wasn't this, instead of just saying, Yo,
we kind of in the same path together, let's kind
of figure out how to pave this shit.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
There's no room for that because generally what what Dodge
did is what the audience does immediately because.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
But nigga, we're doing we're dealing with the same shit. Yeah,
we both fucked up. We both fucked up.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
And and to be honest, when you're saying women, third,
I don't believe that men have.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
The same space to speak on these things.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
The other niggas ain't listening to that shit, and the
women ain't because the women, because men and women are
constantly battling each other. See I'm about to do but
it's y'all get that too. Y'all get that too. But
the fact that means y'all kind of have a one
up on this because the women are listening to y'all.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
And there's a sense of community with women.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
You're doing this still girls, women's brunch, you know what
I'm saying, women's empowerment, stuff like that. There's a sense
of community and it's okay to feel or go off
the rails as women. You know what I'm saying amongst
women with men not so much.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Eat that up. It's not eat it up. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
I gotta suck that.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh yeah, my bad. I think that.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
I understand the point, and that's why I spoke from
a place of myself saying that I think that sometimes
I lack empathy for black men because it's very hard
for me to empathize with certain struggles that being a
black woman, that I feel like I've uplifted so many

(09:52):
times and I don't think that anybody ever fully heard me.
So that now that you're putting words to feelings and
thoughts and expressions of your existence, my empathy level was like, fuck, y'all.
Like I've been saying this shit for years and now y'all,
yah yah, y'all got a fucking checklist, and I'm supposed
to feel like what.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I just feel like that if you don't pay attention
to what men go through, you're shooting yourself in the
foot because we're expected to exist with all of these
things and we don't talk about it, we don't really
have the tools to deal with it, but we expect
to be able to show with you with empathy and
emotion and all of the positive things to help build

(10:36):
you up.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
But you don't give a fuck what we go through.
You just literally just literally just sipate. I don't give
a fuck.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
So you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot by
doing that to us, by not fighting the safe space.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Being honest don't mean it's right.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
No it's not, but they're right and wrong. It's subjective.
I'm this is this is the part that I find interesting.
It's like we lack accountability. But when I am being accountable,
it's like it's not enough. I'm not saying I'm not saying.
This is not about right or wrong. I'm literally just

(11:09):
justifying my thought process and the accountability of that is
that when I hear certain things, I understand and I
am noticing that I lack empathy for the male experience.
And this is why I didn't say I was right.
It's not about right and wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's just a fact.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And the fact is is that is shooting when women
that do that, if we have to women that do that,
because I'm not saying women do that, I said women.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
That do that.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know, I'm saying some of the women.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Are shooting themselves in them.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Are shooting themselves in the foot.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Because you still have to deal with that man. Or
you want to deal with men. You want to find
a man to lead to beat, you know, to be
a power in your life or or support system in
your life. But you're not there for him in that way.
He's expected to show up and perform.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Right.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
I can't take on the ownership of that of that fact,
which is why I'm framing it.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I am going to write down these things that he
said for me alone, because I identified with so many
of those things.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
The expectation to perform. Yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
And that's not even just sexually, that is literally done,
big dog, whatever you're going.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Through, that's the last thing on the docket.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
The first thing is that these things need to be
fucking done. The age thing or there was like a
million of them things that I was like, yeah, I
can see that, but because I bottled it up for
so long, I don't even notice it. I'm just I'm
a moving will. It is what it is, right, It's
just interesting. It's very interesting. Okay, I don't think that

(12:46):
I really prepared myself enough for that conversation, but I will.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I'm gonna write those things down, even if even if
I need to just have that conversation with myself. I
would think that if you're a man out there, those
ten things listed, maybe write them down and look at
them and like, be really honest with yourself if you
do feel like, because what is the what's the negative
to having that expected to perform?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
What's the negative in that What do you mean, how
could that negatively affect you?

Speaker 8 (13:21):
Because it I think you start making decisions not based
off of what's best, but based off of the results
of the performance, right, And I think you're not moving
with the same organicness or the same type of grace
because it's just about getting the task done.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
So you start.

Speaker 8 (13:37):
Sometimes you may cut corners, sometimes you might do things
that's out of your characters, you know what I'm saying.
So I think it can be a lot. It can
be a lot that comes with being expected to perform
because it's just so much that I think that's on
your plate.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Drew said burnout and lack of self care. And I
think that that definitely is is definitely high on the
I don't like, I know what I want to say,
but I don't want to sound probably more fucked up
than I already sound. But I am also very accountable

(14:13):
with the fact that sometimes my.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Thought processes are fucked up.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Like I am, I'm a Slytherin, Like I don't know
what like, stop expecting good things out of me because
I have very bad thoughts about people in general.

Speaker 9 (14:26):
So I.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
The fear of being burdened. I do want to ask
you do women feel that way?

Speaker 4 (14:33):
M h in what way? Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
My god, I feel like that all the time.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
I feel like fear of being a burden in the
sense of as women, sometimes we get stigmatized as being
naggers just for expressing things or just for sending out
a reminder for something I already said, like, I don't
want to be a burden.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
And then we also hide elements of our life from
people that love us because you don't want to burden
somebody else with your problems. So sometimes we tend to
suffer in silence. Or you might have a situation where
you know a friend might reach out to you and
you're going through fucking hell yourself. But if you reach

(15:19):
out to me and you're going through something, how to
fuck do I look throwing my shit on top of yours?
So now I have to put mine to the side
to be that good friend for you.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
In that moment.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
You can the the fear of being a burden just
by having certain wants, needs, and desires. If you find
yourself in a relationship with somebody that doesn't have the
same means or the same access as you, then sometimes
women may stifle their wants, needs, and desires so that

(15:51):
you don't look like a certain way to your partner,
like trying to one up.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Them, or you know.

Speaker 7 (15:59):
I had a boyfriend that was broke as fuck when
we was dating, and all he ever wanted to do
was stay in the house, but I wanted to be outside,
and I'm like, He's like, oh, I don't have the bread,
and I'm just like, yo, it's not that big of
a deal, Like I'll pay for us to go outside,
and he's like, no, I don't want you to pay
for me. But then when I do go outside, he

(16:20):
and the house playing the game all day. He got
an attitude, So I'm damned if I go outside with you.
I'm damned if I pay for us to go outside.
Like so now it's like, I'm I feel stuck, like
I don't even know how to communicate with you anymore.
So now I'm stuck in the house with you when
I really want to be outside because I'm trying to
be supportive.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't want to fucking be here.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yes, Burden, how does that affect men? Oh? Man? I
feel like a lot of what Dodge said is true.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
I think a big part is the is the holding
down our emotions and bottling everything, bottling everything up.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I think, and I've been that.

Speaker 8 (16:59):
I've been in that space lot myself where I've been
spaces where I was broke to the world right, and
I've been with a person and I wouldn't say nothing
stomach touching, you know what I'm saying. I'm like the
letter C in the crib and i will say nothing.
I'll act like I would act like nothing is going
on because I want to appear like I got it
figured out right. And then the times where it did

(17:20):
come up where I'm like, yo, you know what I'm saying.
This situation, it's always like, well, why you're don't say
nothing or why you don't tell me these things?

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Because it's like, yo, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (17:28):
We you know, we have a certain thing with us,
So it's like, why would I come to you and
you know what I'm saying. If anything, I'll go, I'll
go outside and sell an eighth right now if I
need to. You know what I'm saying that I'll do
that before I just hit your phone. And you know
what I'm saying. And I think we have that in
our mind and we're always willing to go do some
irrational shit as opposed to say, yo, hey, I need
some help. You know what I'm saying, Because I think

(17:50):
our pride and an ego gets the best of us
in those moments. So I think, you know, you know,
you end up hurting yourself. Like I said, I've been
in situations like I said, where I wasn't eat. I
wasn't eating as frequently. You know what I'm saying, That
hurt my health, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
you know what you're gonna do here, big dog? You
know what I'm saying. Are you Is it that important
for you to look or seem a type of way
or you know what I'm saying. Do you want to

(18:11):
be whole? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I have a few more, but I'm gonna forego that
conversation is pretty good as it is. I just think
that what I saw and what Dodge said and what
I saw and what you said, same title, two different
yea effects effects effects on the person. I will say,

(18:36):
I agree that I hear you when you say women
go through the same thing. Yeah, I would love to
read a book or something like that. I would love
to read a book, but on how these things affect
women versus how to affect men. You know what I'm saying,
and what we're missing in the way that we deal
with each other when it comes to you know what

(18:57):
I'm saying, because if I was to understand a lot
of that shit about you, like really be able to
really live with it, understand it that like from like
from just regular thought, she's going through this, this is
what I should be doing to support her, and that
the way I treat her would be completely different, right, right,

(19:18):
and vice versa.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's just it's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I got a text from my family group chat today.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Where is it? Here?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It is? And I'm only going to play this because
I got this text from my family group chat.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Okay, y'all good, very cool. Let me see. Heard the
news through a whisper in the yard.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Somebody said, Malcolm going.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I sat there and I an't even know what to feel.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
Man.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
We ain't break bread.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Or talk on the phone.

Speaker 10 (20:17):
But I knew his name like a brother's name. I
remember watching you on the screen, a black man with grays,
not just part of the scene.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
You walk like Royson, talk with truth.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's you.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Weren't chasing fake.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
They got pianos and can you tell me who sent that?
Oh Margaret? All right, that's peace. It's a little Oh Margaret,
I've got not bad to say.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
For one, I don't know where to start.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
I'm not yea.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
So several different uh what places we go? But I
do want to say before y'all start flaming this. Uh,
we did lose a great, We lost a great.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, I'm not ready to talk about it, so let's
bypass that one.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
When today I think I think we should give him Yeah,
I think I think he.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Deserves at least we can give the silence because that
ship bust my head, it did, And.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Can I just talk then if you're not gonna say anything, Uh, First,
for one, very like, you know, we lose so many
greats to their own evils, right, like we got knocked
that nigga off, knocked that nigga off up. Not that
even the person singing this on up knock that nigga off.

(22:05):
But Malcolm was was he was, He stayed true to
being not THEO. But we weren't. We didn't lose with him.
When I was growing up, the effect of that show,
it was the first time I seen a positive black
family on the screen, not saying that there wasn't other ones,

(22:29):
but that was the one I tuned into.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I was that age.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It was just very much promoted and theov that'sa.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
It was it was, and even.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
The relationship between Cliff and Claire, it was just beautiful
to watch and the evolution of them through the years
that we had on that show. It was just something
that you know, even right now aspire to be that
would be like a dream, Like when I look, I'm
looking for houses right now, I think about that, right

(23:03):
I think about the kids running through the house, coming
up and down the stairs, or you know, sitting in
the dining room, or just I think about what that
family did for us. And he was a legend for that.
And he's a legend for just how he carried himself
throughout life. I hear that he was a man to

(23:26):
his last a father to his last breath, to his
last breath, you know what I'm saying. And you know,
I feel for his family that especially his daughter, has
to live with the fact that my dad was like
that to the very last minute. I believe that he,

(23:47):
you know, saved her.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Shout out to the people that you know, went in
there and got her. Know what I'm saying, I was
definitely shout out to them.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So yeah, a moment of silence for him and for
his family.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying now? It
what's up with older people? Bro? Yo? I want to
know where they got that from? Like, Wh're like, what's
up with older people?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Why y'all like to piss me off? The check?

Speaker 4 (24:16):
How did they find I don't know? How do they
get the record?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Like?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
No, but they're all in the chat your powerful message
by our account?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
How you leave the chat?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
They're like, this is so great to hear Our's voice
in this beautiful song, told.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
How are you recording that? They got?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Pianos?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Gotta be AI unless maybe it's not. I don't know.
I've heard him with his AI.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
But it took somebody from our generation of course, to
be like.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Are your dead ass?

Speaker 7 (24:50):
You are your dead ass right now?

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah? I love Dodger yo.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
The disconnect is crazy between the generations.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's why I say loud and proud, y'all.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Generation is some fucked up peace above us.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, those are the niggas that raised y'all.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Y'all not know y'all one degree of separation, y'all, not
no better y'all, not.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
No better food message from all. It's crazy a powerful.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Your mother said that. I mean, we gotta have a conversation.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Me and I gotta talk, ain't I ain't really like
like like really like talk to her in a minute?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Are they good? And what you said?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I didn't comment.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Because it's like I actually didn't.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Want to hear what people thought about it. So there's
really nothing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
But I do realize position and I don't realize.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
That there's a disconnect and the way people view their greats.
Right shortly after that Hoke Hogan pass somebody put that
in the chat. I was like, okay, and what I
said goods like yo, yo. There's people out there that

(26:16):
were like blown away by Hoke Hogan passing.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, can he just call niggas like minutes ago?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (26:23):
But you know a lot of people didn't even catch that,
you know what I'm saying, a lot of lifelong fans,
they completely missed that debacle.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
I didn't ship. I seen that that red.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
I seen him at the Magah once he did the
magic shit, I'm like, all right, I'm cool, but but
hold on. I will say this though I don't know
how I feel about people killing him in his death because.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Hold on, hold on let me.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
I think we got to keep See. That's my problem
with people. We never keep the same energy. We always
pick and shoes who we're gonna do ship with and
who we not. Drake is gonna be in this com
It has nothing to do with this, has nothing to
do with that I'm talking about in debt. People we
usually say, like, yo, in death, we let people rest.
You're cool whatever they dead. You know what I'm saying.
We're not gonna talk down on a dead person or whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I ain't never said no shit like that, But in.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Certain situations it's just I don't know.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
I just think it's funny you're talking about don't don't
hold your I'm not saying me, per I'm talking about people.
A lot of people, are you comparing it to. I'm
talking about people that passed, maybe like people in our
community that pass from gang Vin's gun violence, and when
they pass away, and when people say neggave things about them,
we say, yo, let them rest, Yo, they did whatever

(27:34):
in the street. All right, cool? But there you know,
what I'm saying, they passed. Why doesn't that extend the
same way.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Too, because they're not from our community. He's not from
my community.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
I guess. Listen, let me be clear. I don't I
get it.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
But the conversation where it's like because that's like, well,
how do you pick like you know what I'm saying,
because me, it's like depending on who we like more,
that's to.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Give a fuck about somebody that did not give a.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
Fuck, bro, because but see that, that's but that's what
I don't like because you're saying this because he's white.
But there's black people who don't give racist. But there's
black people who don't give a fuck. But you don't
say that. But but that's not But that's not the sentiment.
That's what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Give me one person that died that we were supposed
to spend on their grave.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
See that.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
I don't agree with spending on people's graves. I feel
like once they dead, it's cool, Like that's how I
feel certain graves. No, I don't feel like some of
anybody's graves is necessary.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's to help them.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Just packing the dirt, just packing the dirt. And you
know what I'm saying, make sure they're comfortable. Honestly, I don't.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I truly didn't. I don't care one way or another.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I wasn't really jumping in comments on some real
fuck you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
I wasn't when when Lou said that and.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yoh my god died, I was like, and that was But.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
Even even certain people that is maybe like yo, they
want to say recipees or whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
I feel you, why.

Speaker 8 (29:00):
Are you killing the people for saying, like, you know
what I'm saying, that was funny what you did. But
certain people are really killing killing killing killing them. That's
why I'm like, all right, bro, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (29:10):
But I think that.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Some niggas got it. I could say I'm sorry because
here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Right, he was just putting the wayans and slavery a
week ago.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
We was we not no better than nobody. But the
fact of the matter is like this, right, I judge
people by how they react to certain people.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Don't piss me off. I judge people how to react
to certain people.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
I personally would hope that I am not in proximity
with anybody that would be like, I'm gonna look at
you funny in the light because it's like where do
your moralities lie? Like I understand that he was a
famous wrestler. I understand you probably grew up on him.
But the minute that he called you niggas and nigga,

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where do we Where do we draw the line? And
that's the same way I feel with R Kelly, like
where do we draw the line? Like I'm i am
one hundred percent good off of him, Like, yeah, ligan.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
It you told me the songs that you still it's
past this podcast.

Speaker 7 (30:21):
Sing songs in my head and catch myself and be like, oh, ship,
I can't sing that ship. And that's exactly what I
was just about to say, even when it comes to
R Kelly, like there are songs that are ingrained in
my my my ethos of music. And then like I'll
sometimes hear a word and catch myself start singing some
ship and I'm like, oh, that used to be my ship.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Fuck, I can't sing that ship and it blows my
fucking mind.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
I was just at the garden party this weekend and
Niggas was playing some old school song and I don't
remember what song it is, but it was like a
part of the song, it was like a shout out
to p Diddy and we was like, yeah, a shout
out to put fuck man.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I can't even. It's one of those types of moments.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
There are songs of his that I miss that I
would love to listen to, but I can't. Like i'd
be trying, like not even like in my in the
privacy of my home, I be trying.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I'm like, I can't, I can't.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Listen to it is Diddy music off the table.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Diddy music for me, his verses is off the table.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
It was always off the table. But okay, it was
never on the table.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
I don't like the record that you know on the
bad like the bad Boy cuts to us.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's what I'm asking because I'm like the ones that
because I haven't gone back to.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Like I'm not saying listen, no way out like that.
I'm just the cut I was fed.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm good on it.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It was, but I'm just saying, like I might not
be that deep into it.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm currently good on it. I'm currently good on it.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I understand that, but I wouldn't. I'm not trying nobody
for listen. I think that's just personal choice. And if
you say you don't, then I get that, but I'm not.
The reason I stopped listening to Kelly Shit was because
his music reminded me.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Of Yeah and he was he was joining to comuses.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
The muses to his music were crazy directly aligned with
because you can see it, I can't.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I can see it with Ship. I ain't hear him like.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
Yeah, Kelly, he's that good. So like you know, you
can see this ship like in the music, so you're like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
I'm cool, bro.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
But Hogan, he was one of the champions abouts we
was young. He's that good right with wrestling, and then
the next thing you know, he's like inn word this
and didn't even with the show. I just looked at
him like when he had like the Hogan Show or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I just didn't funk with him. Bro.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
I feel like people live with a lot of people
get to live long enough to where you know what
I'm saying, where they but they say, you get to
see yourself becoming the villain.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
I think that happens a lot with people, cause you
know what I'm saying, you have the legacy and it's
like yo, you're beloved, and then once we get to
kind of see you for you, It's like you could
undo your whole legacy in three years.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I was too young when he was a star to
cook it back and what racism looked like mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
But like thinking back, like does it give you the
think about it?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I realized he probably liked that the whole time.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Definitely not Probably definitely was like that.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
And I just did it because I was young and
just didn't realize it. But he's probably like the whole town.
So when I started seeing him later in life, I'm
just like, how.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Dare I did you watch the wrestling Doctor Man Joint?

Speaker 11 (33:36):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I did?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
You watched it?

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right?

Speaker 8 (33:37):
And you know he so the wrestlers were trying to unionize,
right because you know, this ship was fucked that, this
ship was it was wild, it was running a completely
different business. The wrestlers went to unionize and he was like, oh,
word write the events, like yo, there's some big dog
yo about that. For me, Russells hated that nigga for that,
you know what I'm saying, because he's like, Yo, I'm
gonna stay at the top and your niggas say the

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bottom and then.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
All of that just to move to Yeah, just the
fucking ops.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Seeing Carucci with Deon Sanders.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
I don't even I'm not even trying to unpack that.
I don't understand what the fuck just happened.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
You're rolling out crying. It's crazy. The rollout with the
cry is nuns.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
The rollout at the cancer seargery life that we couldn't
get a red carpet moment, Like how did how did
you get there?

Speaker 8 (34:23):
When did you just what I'm saying? You rolling out
the relationship with the cry? It's like, what are we?
What are we supposed to say to this? We love Deon,
love him, We don't have no problem with you, No,
he just be cancer? What are we honest? How can
we give a real take care what we're gonna say
for real?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information.

Speaker 7 (34:40):
I think I would have been happier not having this information,
Like this piece of the story was unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I mean, they only twenty years apart. It is what
it is, right, fifty seven, he's fifty seven, she's thirty seven.
She's grown ass when she could make her own decisions.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
So you know what I hate, Like what I'm secretly
hating we did Drea and her boyfriend and whatever the
fuck this shit is that they got going on these
little clips that they're doing. When she's like, who was
the better driver? I literally been driving your whole life
turned it off? Yeah, scroll, I just want everybody to
leave me alone.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
It's to me, it's the age that he's act.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
When you get older, you do what you want to do, right, Like, WHOA,
I can't be mad at her for Dods kind of
it was kind of like weird. But to me when
I first seen it, but I think about it, it's like,
all right, you know, it is what it is. But
with Drea, he acts like a little kid. That he
acts like a little he acts like an impressiable little kid,

(35:43):
so that it's just very much a completely different situations.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
And remember, so he didn't from understanding, I don't think
he went to college. He went straight from high school
into the G League night So he went straight from
high school and just been kind of in a professional
basketball since from then. So he didn't, you know what
I'm saying, He didn't really have no transition process from
you know, on a social level.

Speaker 7 (36:02):
My son said she she said he'd be forgetting the
pack draws on trips.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I said, I y'all lost me. Get me out of here,
give me out.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
The group chat is on something.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Give me out the group chat.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Oh speaking on something. Your boy Hunter Biden was doing
this wounds, Yo, Do we have that clip? Can we
listen to unter Biden? Let me see that's not.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Even my man's like, I got nothing on it. You know,
crack is black, though crack is cheap.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
He was telling, yeah, the difference between crack and the coke. Me,
it's just yo, Joe Biden. He didn't he didn't give it.
He didn't do all that for this, I promise.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
You, son, Come on, son, this whole country is a show.

Speaker 11 (36:46):
Let me.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
I hate it. This country is a joke and accessible
of stupid.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Bro. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that happened.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I can't believe it. We been knew he was a crackhead.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
Put the break that breakdown on the like.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
You know that was good, are you not? The Democrats?

Speaker 11 (37:10):
Cocaine and cocaine is certainly byocarbonate and in water and heat.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Literally that's it.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
And those things are pretty much free if you go
to like a science store is free.

Speaker 11 (37:20):
What is a science store to a your neighborhood convenience
store and just get anyway. I don't want to tell
people how to make how to make crack cocaine, but
it literally is cocaine and making.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
So how different is the experience?

Speaker 11 (37:34):
I was vastly, vastly different, and like for real, I
I feel really reluctant to kind of have some euphoric discussion.
I know you're not asking me to do that, but
have some euphoric discussion about crack cocaine.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I think this might be kind of the opposite here.

Speaker 11 (37:49):
Okay, no, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying. I don't
want to have the experience. Have some you for a
Greek call.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
That's me said. The ship was so good you don't
even want to go back.

Speaker 8 (38:00):
I don't want to think about it. Think about that ship.
You see, my pops just got me out that bullshit,
right yo.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
The nigga crack is some powerful ship.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
You know what I'm saying, that nigga, if you smoke
crack one like Joe Biden, you probably a crackhead. Because
after that that feeling, it's hard to come back from
that look.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
At him. You heard that. He had to stop.

Speaker 8 (38:23):
I'm like, yo, no, I'm not yo, I'm not doing that.
That's what I'm not gonna do with you.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It's crack synonymous with dick sucking.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Why would that go ahead? Go ahead?

Speaker 7 (38:40):
Because I just I just always assumed that crackheads sucked dick,
So I just wanted to know. I just would you
get that like, because you always heard like like niggas
like suck dick for crack I wish it was synonymous
with dick sucking.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
There you get your dicksuck by crackhead.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
That waste crack. That was hate. I don't know that person.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Oh that was the old body trying to tell y'all
things in confidence around here.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I was very young and impressionable.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
That kind of makes it worse.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I was very young.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I was very young, impressionable. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I didn't kiss her, and I was thinking I was
like third in line. It was like yourl go ahead,
and the twig it was like your child going there.
I didn't even know. I wasn't there for that. We
was at the track and niggas was like, yo, you
gotta come on and break your crackhad virginity, but I

(39:52):
don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I ran away from the train before too. Yeah. When
I was younger, Remember I'm the youngest like on my block,
so everybody else was older. It was this girl. I'm
not gonna say her name, but it was a girl
other than a block.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Remember she was a little remember her name. We were
all get a click, yeah, look up the block, click whatever.
It's basically my friend. One of my boys was eating
a General told chicken some Chinese food and she was like, yo,
let me get one. And he was like, yo, if
I give you one, you gotta suck our dicks. And
she was like a chicken General, So Chicken, I'm not listen,

(40:23):
I'm not lying.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
One round General, soo one morsel. He gave it like
a couple.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
It was a couple out of there like no, no, no,
just like a few, like just like a So they
went in that they went in the alley, so everybody
was getting head and she was like a little I'm
not gonna say slow, but she I think she was
like sixteen in the ninth grade, so she wasn't like
super savvy. Long story short, I get down there right.

(40:49):
So they like Yo city like Yo, listen, it's time
for you to get the head. Like, Yo, this is
this is your moment right now. So I went down there.
So I went, I went downstairs. So yo, she's literally
on her knees. She's like all right, like come on,
and I'm yo.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I did.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
I got scared, and I'm like something in my mom
was like, Yo, this is not right, this is not right.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
So I did.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
That's ran out the alley. So niggas laughed at me
for like for like years, like, yo, you ran away
from that, you ran.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Yes, I ran out the alley. Yes, yo, Yo.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
I will call my brother after this and I will
let him tell you, bro, people tell you like yo, nigga.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Ran out the alley right now, right now? Wall, how old
are you?

Speaker 8 (41:36):
They were, like my brother, They were like sixteen at
the time, So I wasn't like maybe eleven, oh or.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I hope you can't say.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yo, all that laughing. That's fucked up, son, that's really
fucked up.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Ya.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I'm never gonna be a better person, y'all. Never, I'm
never making it to be a better person.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
So I was at my son's birthday party and the
nigga was like, Yo, you know we gotta get them
to the strip club. Now, no, he ain't say that.
He said we gotta get I think he said we
gotta get them some and I was like, that's my

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son's bro, you're fucking crazy. He was like, I know,
but you know, I just I want them to you know,
we gotta crack their whatever. He says something about getting
them to this point of life because he would hate
for them to not get and I was like, bro,
they eighteen and then they autistic.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
He's like he was taking the triper cup or something.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
And then how are they gonna be able to differentiate
the behavior that visit the strip club and ride in
the train or the bus or the supermarket, Like you're
trying to open a door that you don't know what's
on the other side of that.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
They're not going to know that, oh, we're just right, yeah,
or the things that they see.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Bro, you're not thinking about how it's going to affect them.
Them trying to do that to you six sixteen or
eleven is crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
But I mean I understand what you ran.

Speaker 8 (43:28):
I would have ran too, yeah, But I said I
always been like that, always, like I said, even though
like I would get clowned or I would get kills.
Like I always did what I wanted to do, made
my own choices, so for better or worse, and that
was the decision that I always am happy that I
made that decision because they to me, they all look
crazy for that. That was a nuts. That was a
nuts from the genders. Chicken to the whole ship was nuts.

(43:51):
So I'm happy. Is flooring chicken is killing my.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Soul to the com back. Except so if he calls me,
answer no, I can't you.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
All right, all right, man, all right, one or two
more that we're out of here. Okay, we'll get you
in the cab to Jersey.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
That's too far, that's too much.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
You paid for I don't know. I never tried that.
You did not from not to the new house.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Noah was far far right.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Well, you wouldn't know. You've never been there, so I
was I know you was you.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Like ten cass.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Nobody, nobody was paying for your cab.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
So there's a lot of you know, I was in
Jersey by her crib, but I was looking for a
crib out there. I was out there shopping for houses
and her area came up and I was like, yeah,
let's go over there. All right, so went over there and

(44:58):
then she saw me on my what.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I didn't see you? You hit me up? You such
a picture that wasn't my building. It was a crush.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
This nigga sends me a picture of a building two
blocks away from my building. It's like, you live over here, bitch,
you know I live over here.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
You live over here? It's crazy. Wife, he knew that
she lived over here.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
She was like, I think that's Dodge's house, or like
that's where we went to the restaurant for birthday or whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
So that that happened.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Wife, you knew, Wife, you knew because he's better than you,
much better, much better, I mean, okay. And what's your
point though.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Like, and so that wasn't news.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Isn't that around yourself by better than people that are
better than you? What's your point? Which just reminds me
of a tweet that I saw where it says it's
twenty twenty five and y'all still believe y'all building wealth
by owning a home. Either y'all don't know what wealth means,

(45:53):
or that repeated, repeated phrase sold that false reality, and
y'all never stopped to interrogate what wealth means that's not
how it works for the average home buyer. Do you
all agree to a degree?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
It's better or more probable to build wealth on investments
and investment properties than just owning a home yourself.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
But what is wealth?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
That is subjective?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Subjective? I was gonna say that subjective.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Because if you're for me, you start somewhere and you
get somewhere, You're not just gonna become jay Z overnight.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
You're not just gonna become Beyonceit.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Any wealth, that's that's a different level, right.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
But isn't being able to pass a home down to
your children?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
That's a part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
That's that's more to me, that's more legacy.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Isn't that a part of it?

Speaker 7 (46:46):
No, not necessarily, because you could pass something down to
your kids and they could fuck it up, so that I.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
Don't mean that's not wealth, though I think I think
being able to pass house now, I think that is
a version of wealth to me.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, it is, Yeah, definitely like being able to do
that versus giving a Section eight apartment which people pass it.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
But even it.

Speaker 8 (47:09):
Could remember certain some people have parents where they apparents
eve done nothing.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
They walking around with a donut, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I damn. What I want to say is I'm gonna
say it just for the people out there that are
listening and might say, damn, let me do that. When
I started my job, it was told, yo, start a
four fifty seven or four to one K. I put
the average amount in there. I never looked in it.
It gets taken out my check every week. But I

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just figured, like, when I retire, it'll be given to me.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Whatever. It's just what we did. It just is what
it is.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
When it got to the real estate portion, they were like, well,
we need to know if you have any investments, and
I was like, I don't you know. He was like, yeah,
well you have you know, the thing from your job.
I was like, yeah, it's probably like one hundred thousand
something else in there. When I looked in there, mm hmm,
movie movie movie, just understanding, I said, I thought it

(48:06):
was just.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
That was that movie movie?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I know it's sun in there. You told me what
house ranges you was looking at.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I see, I seen the style of the cribs. What
did I say to you earlier? I said to him,
But I said, I said, yo, those crazy get one
of those. Those are the one, and I wish, let's.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Be clear, those are not I wish those are three
million dollar houses, four million dollar houses, the ones, A
lot of the ones I look at. It's just the
real estate market is crazy, Yo.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
What up? Gang?

Speaker 8 (48:46):
Ain't no yo, I'm lob on the podcast right now.
Don't say nothing to crem I'm more so shameless part
right man with Taoe and Dodge.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Right.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
So, we were just recalling some stuff from back in
the day, and I had told them about the time
that I had ran away from the head.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
The latest nigga just bust out.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
So I told them that the whole I told them
that the whole exchange started with General told Chicken. That's
a fact from one of the homies, right, Yo.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
How many how many General souls did y'all give us? Actually?

Speaker 8 (49:22):
Mom, he said, my time said, how many General toes
did we did you give? Did you give her half
the trail? Did you give did you did you give
her a few?

Speaker 4 (49:30):
She acted? Initially? I told her to wait, and then
when I ate my food and whatever was left, I
just gave it to y'all.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Was just getting y'all Dick sucks for Chicken.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
Huh, they said, They said, then you yat, y'all set
it up for me and I ran away.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah you said no, you didn't run away, Okay.

Speaker 8 (49:48):
I didn't run I just said no. And y'all clowned them. Yeah, yeah,
they said they they wasn't they did not believe the
generals chicken ship problem.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
No, that's really fucking crazy. The hood is nasty.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Way you said. Oh, nobody was supposed to get nothing.
It's just supposed to be for you, so everybody else
because you getting Yeah, somebody want to.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Do alright, all yo? All right, y' no, no, no, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
You're going to ask a follow up?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
All right? Hi ya, y'all make you when I be here.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yo, all right, niggas said it was for you.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I was going to ask how old you was for sure,
but I didn't want to know. I didn't want to
know I was. I was like twelve, he was eleven
ten minutes ago.

Speaker 8 (50:46):
He's six years older than me. So if he was
sixteen seventeen, okay, all right?

Speaker 7 (50:51):
And I set it up for you, son nuts, so horrible, horrible.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
This led into.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Well, so what I'm telling y'all about the four fifty
seven in the four one ks please invest in that shit.
When you get your job right, he's gotta take a
little percentage of your money out. But that shit builds
and the stock market is bogged, right, And don't think
about it. People like to scare you, like, oh, the
stock market ain't good. The stock market always wins, bro,
stock market always wins. It always comes back, bro. Just

(51:20):
leave that shit in there. Don't pay no attention to
that shit. And you never know. What I was thinking was,
it's crazy because I'm trying to buy a crib right now.
But what if I had have passed away. My daughter
is the recipient, my son's my daughter, My kids are
a recipient. They would have got this check out of nowhere.
Crazy and it would have been like movie. That's the

(51:42):
way my dad looked out. We were talking about creating
wealth and shit like that. I know people that got
something from their family when they passed.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
That's a big fucking deal, yo, yo. I tell people
that all the time.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
My dad passed away in twenty sixteen, and he had
a mental condition before he passed, and he basically all
of his money and his wife's money. He basically got
scammed away. So he basically gave all of the money away.
So all of the money that was saved for me,
my my brothers and sisters. The house he damnedar lost

(52:18):
my aunt house out there. That's how bad he was
in debt.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Right.

Speaker 8 (52:21):
So when I tell people all the time, be happy
and be blessed about you know what I'm saying. You
you have parents that leave stuff to you like that.
Shit is so important because when you have a parent
that leaves and it's like zero, it's tough.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
It's real tough.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
When I talk about going to look for these cribs,
appraisals come up and shit like that. Have you ever
heard of a process called de blacking a home d blacking?

Speaker 6 (52:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I never heard that.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
D blacking a home like removing black pictures and stuff
like that so that you can actually sell it.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah you heard that.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
Yeah, I didn't know that was a thing, but I
didn't know that was the term. But I know that's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yeah yeah, let me, let's let's play the video when
people know what the hell d black in the home is?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
That would get a fair appraisal.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Listen to this.

Speaker 9 (53:17):
After getting a low appraisal in my personal house last year,
I had to take down all the art and anything
that identified me as being black, so that I would.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Get a fair appraisal.

Speaker 9 (53:26):
After I deblackified my house, the second appraisal came in
at five hundred thousand dollars more. I'm currenting the process
of refinancing a rental property, and I didn't think an
appraiser's bias.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Would affect it.

Speaker 9 (53:37):
This multifamily on a prime Clinton Hill block getting full
value rent should easily appraise for the top of the market.
Although no other property on the block has sold for
less than three million dollars in the last two years,
my bigger property came back at two point six million dollars.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Instead of using.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
The comps on the block, the appraiser used a comp
that was half a mile away and another the comp
that was in need of a full gut renovation. I
immediately contacted the bank and demanded that they have another
appraisal gun.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
But this time I stayed home.

Speaker 9 (54:11):
And I had a white person go and show the
property on my behalf without.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
A trace of any of my chocolateness.

Speaker 9 (54:17):
My property now appraised for three point seven million dollars
in just ten days, one point one million dollars more,
one point one more in ten days without doing anything
but deep blacking.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
It happens more than you think.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Crazy. Yep, I just don't know that was a term
for it.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
But I've definitely heard of people that sell homes going
and saying like they they actually made. They may do
extra stuff. They may put up different pictures on.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Stock pictures of stage of carib Yeah, I've heard that before.
My family owned three brownstones in Bedside.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
They were sold.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Like motherfucking girl scout cookies. Like the amount of money
that they were sold for we was so beneath and
below market rate, but they sold it to a crackhead.
Because my aunt owned three brownstones in Bedstye and when
she passed away, her will disappeared. So her daughter, who

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was not in the will because she was a former crackhead,
was in cohoots with the lawyer and we could not
find the correct will, which said that the crackhead obviously
got nothing. Because crackhead and because she was the next
of kin and her only living child, she got all
of the brownstones. And she was selling multi million dollar

(55:50):
brownstones for like five hundred thousand dollars because she just
wanted the fast cash.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
She didn't actually care about the properties.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
And when I tell you these were top notch renovated brownstones,
my family.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Three can you up? Three?

Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's even at the right now current rate, even if
you just go by what the state approce twenty ten
point five million.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
That's what I said.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Three three left three million on the table at the
lowest rate.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
You could have smoke crack for way longer.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
She died.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
She damn, I'm sorry a town stomped or the pack
package packed.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Pack it up, pack it up. Three whole fucking legacy.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
Three oh man, I sold three brownstones to a crackhead.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Three brownstones for under three million is crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Crazy, yo, that is It's fucked that I was eighteen
at the time.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I couldn't do ship, but I got one last topic.
We've been here for fucking two hours.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
Don't fuck with me. Don't fuck with me. We're good
right now, start no ship. I love you all right.
I accepted your apology. Look, we had a great show.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
We had a show.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Don't fuck with me.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Niggas went the back and Parker one.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yes she did.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Thanks to.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Thanks to the positive effects of the community. Thank you
for everybody pulling together to make sure that the baby
went the fundraiser.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
She was very excited.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
Who have a question, Mm hmm, I'm sorry, I have
a question. Really, So let me guess you're getting that massage?

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Well, I don't know yet because I haven't received the
the prize yet, so I we'll see what happened.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
You get the massage?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Do you want it?

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Sure you can have it?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Why why not?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Because I'm not a dickhead. If you really wanted you
to have it?

Speaker 4 (58:36):
What elseuld I get beside the massage?

Speaker 7 (58:38):
That's what the first the first prize when they get
a spot day. So it's just like last year it
was a two hundred and fifty dollars certificate to this podcastle.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I don't know. I feel scared. I feel scared. Yeah,
I don't know. It's not feeling that. It feels something.
Something's off here. What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
What's happening? Do you want to give it to you?
I'll email it to you when I get it, all right, bet.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Um um okay?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I just like winning. To win like it's surprize.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Is like cute. But I'm about to have thirty bags
of popcorn.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Not saying that if you don't want it, you can
send it to me. Put them in my office. I've met.

Speaker 11 (59:21):
You know.

Speaker 7 (59:21):
We bought like two big ass boxes too, Like I
was just gonna put it in my office and have
it for the kids to be hungry and shit, I
gotta let.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
The kids and her Yeah, yeah, yeah, Drew, I definitely did.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
I was sitting there, like, I definitely expect a fight,
but you know, yeah, I gotta let the kids go
through it until they go through it. But I can't
let them just say it's way too much popcorn. Especially
it's no way, it's nowhere. There was a mother on
here that the caption is no room policy. Yeah, I

(59:54):
don't know's we ended up.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
None of my kids got phones until they were sixteen.
My thirteen year old, because we live in LA, we
ended up getting her a phone, but we got her
a phone from a special company. They're small and they
make kids at our phones that still look like smartphones.
They still have some type of app access, but it
has zero internet, So she has no internet, She has
no social media. She doesn't even have an account to

(01:00:19):
have social media, and the apps that are on her
phone are all put there by me. And even if
someone sends her a text, if it's slightly questionable material
it's held and I have to release the text to
be seen. So we have a phone together, and all
devices stay out of rooms. My daughters never allowed to
have her laptop and he or Actually we have a
no room policy. So basically your rooms are for sleeping.

(01:00:42):
So you don't have to sit next to me on
the couch, but you can be in the other part
of the house living room, you know, or you consider
the kitchen island. But we all if we're awake, we
are all together.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
You love that? Why I don't know. You don't think
that that's like sheltering a little bit too much? No,
explain Listen, at what point do you say, like, because
once you let them have it, then what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Once you let them have what the phone? They have
a phone?

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Not with the freedom of.

Speaker 7 (01:01:17):
The world there Why No, we have to have better
discernment as adults. There is no person or no child
that is going through the cognitive things that they're going through.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
That they need access to everything. That's crazy to me.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
There used to be a sense of the older you get,
the more freedoms you get. Niggas is given seven year
old cell phones with TikTok and Instagram and YouTube on it,
and these kids are having access to things that they
can't even fully process.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
That's not okay. Touley's daughter has a.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
Similar phone as the phone that this woman is talking about,
and we've definitely discussed it as a friend group. When
it is time to give get our kids cell phones,
what kind of phones that we're gonna give them? I
was literally saying, I'm gonna get park a fucking Nokia.
She could play Snake on it and just call me.
I'm not interested in my child.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Being exposed to things.

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
Before her brain is able to process what it is
that she's really looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
What age do you start exposing them.

Speaker 7 (01:02:33):
I think that it's a slow roll in exposing I
would I am not. I don't see a world where
Parker gets like an iPhone until she's like sixteen seventeen. Like,
she knows that TikTok exists, she knows that Instagram exists,
she sees Instagram. She like, she'll lay next to me
as I scroll through my timeline, or she knows that

(01:02:54):
TikTok exists from school and friends and stuff like that.
But that's not something that I need her to have
one hundred percent access to by herself. Absolutely not. I
actually do love the no tablets in the bedroom thing.
I didn't think about that, but then Parker doesn't have
a tablet anyway, So what are you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Thinking about this?

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
I think the I think as again I don't have kids,
but I think as a parent, I think with the Internet,
you definitely have to do what you can to mitigate
things as much as you can because it's only gonna
work but for so long, right, So I feel like
any type of thing that you can do to prolong
the process, I think it's cool. But like she said,
she was like, they gotta all be together, like if

(01:03:35):
they're all up, they got to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Be in the same room. That I don't really agree
with that. I think.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
No, she said that there's other places in the house
you could be in, you just can't be in your
bedroom on your devices. And I think that that's one
hundred percent great because I've seen shit that I should
have never seen, and it's because these kids got phones
in their bedrooms and they up at night and they
making videos, and they they sending pictures and all the
rest of this other shit that they shouldn't be sending

(01:04:00):
because their brain is not developed enough to know how
to maneuver in this space. It's too much, it's too much,
too fast.

Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
But I do think there's a fib line between protecting
them and also educating them, because I think blocking them
from it doesn't help them either. No, you know what
I'm saying, that doesn't help. It actually does more harm
than good, I think. So I think there has to
be a line. I think of helping and exposure, right,
and I feel like with the exposure, I think that
the exposure should come from the parents more because it

(01:04:31):
can be controlled because once they go outside and once
they go to the school, it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Whatever you said in the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Crib is over with trust me, that's my only thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
That's while you While you doing that, the other kids
around it. You have to then do the whole their
whole circle, their whole social circle. That's because especially once
it becomes teenagers, they're just going to be on their
friends phone at school. That's why that's what the say,
you gontrol, it's happening already, so it's and by the time,
I don't want to say, they don't understand it between
say she's six and ten, but by the time she

(01:05:00):
starts understanding it, the other kids are understanding it too,
for real.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
For real, and they're really and they're circulating that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Before she will have a page on her friend's phone
under a different name, have a fence to so s
the access is there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
She just can't do it when she's home.

Speaker 7 (01:05:17):
Yeah, and she she she can only do it. She
can't really do it at school either. And I think
that that is also why I'm very strategic about making
sure that my child is in charter school because it's
no phone buildings all the way through high school.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
They cannot have their phones out.

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
Their phones are locked up and locked away, so it
is a very finite amount of time that she will
have certain experiences. I'm not into not allowing her to
have any experiences at all, but I do think that
things they need to be controlled. Like literally, just this summer,
we started allowing her to play video games. So we
started her with Crash Bandicoot. She's doing Lego Fortnite. Those

(01:05:57):
are only two games that she can play right now.
Because I know she's into games and that's something that
she's like interested in, but we just have to make
sure that we're doing it the right way, and I'm
never I'm not over exposing my kid to the world
because I know who my child is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
She's very sheltered. Maybe a little bit more on the
naive side, but I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:06:20):
Okay with that because she's age appropriate, and I don't
want her to be in a position where she gets
too much information and then that age appropriateness kind of
goes out the window, and now you maneuvering like a
teenager and you tend.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Now the comments in the chat, we're speaking about the
clip that we listen to, right, and three people commented,
as soon as she gets a little bit of freedom,
she's gonna go buck wild. The next person says, forcing
a child that have to be in the same space
as you as a bit much. Kids also need a
loane me time. And the third said, no, the rooms
are for sleeping when they're awake, they're in the same space.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I mean, like, I think that because I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Think kids are trying to be kids.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
I don't know if I feel like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't think that that's tough because I
appreciate parents with rules, because too many parents don't have
no fucking rules to many parents don't have no rules
at all, And that shit busts my head constantly, Like
y'all will be having a whole full ass adult conversations

(01:07:30):
with kids in the area. Y'all watching ship that kids
are not supposed to watch it, and kids in the
area and they peeking and watching the same, Like like niggas,
niggas got to tighten up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
You've seen them kids that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Got caught because the three kids got arrested because they.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Came up with a scheme to kill a boy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
Yeah, fifth grader is fifth grader, Like whole plot, whole ship.
They was gonna set this motherfucker like, yes, this is
what's happening right now. Yeah, gloves, yes, this is what
is happening. And keeping my fifth grade. This is eleven
years old, ten eleven years old.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
And they I said this because they'd be watching the
Netflix shows or whatever show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Be watching the animes.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Yeah, it's really hard. That's why. That's why I said,
is it really doesn't do you.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
Not you personally, but this doesn't do people the service
to protect the kids, but for so long because as
soon as they take one step out, basically what you don't. Basically,
what you're trying to avoid happening is what happens in
five minutes immediately, crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
So then you spend the rest of the years or
the rest of the time trying to fix every little
thing because you're trying to keep this, you know, this,
this ship up. But every time they go outside, it's
a cracking almost, so you're going and painting over the
crack every time.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
I don't think that that's true, because you have to
think about, like the there's so many different things that
have to come to place for you to even fully
play out untempted murder. First of all, we're talking about
fifth graders. With access to cell phones and social media.
They're able to watch things that are probably not age appropriate,
which puts them in the mindset of thinking that they

(01:09:12):
can even what fucking fifth grader is like, Oh, we
can get away with murder type shit. Y'all planned it.
That means y'all all got phones, y'all are all unsupervised.
Your parents don't know what the fuck is going on.
They don't know what you're watching, they don't know what
you're influenced by it. You don't know your thought process.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
They don't know shit. Everybody going to jail you, your mama.

Speaker 7 (01:09:32):
You forever lock them all up because y'all niggas is
all unfit because y'all just be letting. Y'all just be
letting the fucking technology raise y'all kids like technology is
not O D fucked up. I'm sorry. I'd rather be
the strict parent. I'd rather be the sheltered parent. But
I'll tell you one thing, Parkers is not gonna be
planning no fucking murders in the fifth grade because who
she gonna plan it with? That better alarm go off

(01:09:55):
at eight thirty. Everything in her room turns off the
fuck out of here. Don't be watching their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I was talking to a guy this weekend and he
was he throws play parties. He actually works for the
play party spot, And somehow it came up that his
parents didn't have TVs in the house the whole time
growing up, and I was like, how do you think
that affected you?

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
And he was like, uh, you know, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Whatever, And in my mind, I'm like, and now you
were in a play party spot.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
He probably has an amazing imagination that nigga that nigga,
probably fire.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Probably well read the upbringing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
That's the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
Like you could say people that are growing up too
sheltered that they grow up or people that grow up
with no structure. Then you wind up in the streets,
you wind up selling drugs, you wind up in jail,
you wind up dead, you wind up fifty eleven kids
in twenty two. Like we're like, we gotta pick and
choose our battles.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
So we have to, don't we have to?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Like I'm cool with.

Speaker 7 (01:10:57):
My kid owning a fucking the the sex party spot
versus being in prison as a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
If that's where I gotta go with it, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Shouldn't it be like somewhat of a middle ground? Take
them all away, you take everything away, they go chase
it versus you like he said, like yesterday said, you
you give a little, you teach you whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
And I believe in given a little. But this is
not the world. This is given a little.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
That little bullshit phone she didn't give Talk about that phone.
She go get Amanda phone when she has school and
she uses her ship.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
She ain't gonna get Amanda phone when she has school.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Because you want to know why by the time she's
gonna be in middle school, who's gonna work in her school?

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Me?

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
You're saying that because it's you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Yeah, I can only raise my kid. I can't raise
everybody kids. I can't raise everybody. Can She's gonna have
a phone, but she's not gonna have access to all
of the apps.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
She's not gonna just be doing whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:11:57):
And by the time she does get a smartphone, I'm
gonna have every fucking parental security, everything that I could
possibly think of. And we're gonna have the conversation and
she's not gonna like it. But she also can't beat
my ass, So what are we doing? What are we
gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Funny?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And she can't be my ass. Damn sure can't be
your ass.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
So now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
It's never gonna be a fair one.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
She can't beat her sister, asked her sister, fucking state
wrestling champion. You got too many people that's willing to
whoop your ass, So what you're gonna do? Already, I'm
just saying, you can't beat my ass. You can't beat
your daddy ass, you can't beat your sister. You damn
sure can't beat your ass. My sister from Harlem she'll
wash you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
What are we doing, yo, I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
Was asked, Yo, Thank y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I know he was late, Yo. We're visiting this early
conversation real quick before we leave. Wrong in the way
that we addressed that, because I know I was laughing.
I ain't gonna lie. I didn't know he was crying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
He wasn't crying. Can I tell you there's two things
I hate.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
I hate a nigga that talked too much, and I
hate a nigga that talked too slow. The way my
adhd spit it out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Spit the he was going through emotions.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Most of the average person can't just come on the
show and just be themselves like that's not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Spit that sentence out.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
I'm not a good person. That's what I'm okay with yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Thank you for sitting in today, man, of course, brilliant,
brilliant presence on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Of course. I always love when you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Appreciate it, Gods, thank you for pulling up.

Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
Yeah, shout out to you dog. You came through the
blaze and glory like salute.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
And thank y'all all for listening.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Who's the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
You need that's not that's not even a fair. That's
not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
We will see y'all next week, So shameless