IT: Welcome To Derry |1x02 "The Thing in the Dark"

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This is me being excited again. I'm David.
I'm I'm taking notes again. I haven't taken notes on a show
in three. Years since the walk I ended.
Pausing and staring at the screen and like Googling things
right away. Yeah, if I need to rewind
something, my TV will only go back every 10 seconds.
So if I So I have to pause and then go back 10 seconds.

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I can't just be like, it's so infuriating because if I miss
something by a fraction of a second I have to go 10 whole
seconds back. We are squawking dead.

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A podcast pulverizing program isbeyond The Walking Dead
universe. Sometimes we give you news,
sometimes we make you laugh. Most times we go deep.
I'm your host, David Cameo, and I'm joined by.
Cosmo Mom, 09. They're dropping like flies.
We're missing the Rob. We're missing the Sharon D We're
missing the Bridget. Bridget was Rob.
'S off doing something fun. Yeah, Rob's off in Bridget.

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'S off doing something not so fun.
Bridget wasn't feeling too well so where's he?
She's like, I only watch it like1/2 of the episode and then the
other half fell asleep. No, I don't know.
She said she basically watched it once and didn't take notes
but basically forgot it anyway so here we are.
What, we're not good enough for you?
Well, you don't want Bridget's comedic timing and Rob's astute

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observations. Oh, then just leave.
This is old school. We're going in the way back
machine. Yeah, but it was just us.
Let's do a three hour episode. No, let's not.
Let's. Do a three hour episode.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, well, and we used to do
them live too. Go figure.
I do like the lives, yeah. People get to see our like

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rawness, our just true raw chaos.
Yeah, it's like I didn't even know how chaotic it was until
Francisco pointed it out to us. And it's not like we didn't have
an audience, by the way. It's like we did.
How chaotic we were, yeah. But everybody thought it was
like normal until, until Francisco came around.
He's like, this is pure chaos. Why don't you go a lot more

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like, well, he did, and nobody came.
Maybe we didn't do it enough because people love watching a
good train wreck. True.
It's opportunity, right? It's like the times that we do
end up recording are so random and weird and who's going to be
on? Yeah, If we could do it
consistently this day at this time we're going to be going
live, that would be great. But none of us have a schedule

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that consistent. When even these come out at
different times, the first one was on Sunday.
This one came out on Halloween day, this episode.
Yeah. So just so everybody knows, in
case you're like, hey, wait, it's Sunday.
It's been on for the last three.Yeah.
You don't pick up a newspaper anymore.
It was in the papers. Don't even.
Exist in some areas. And here we are, like we're
looking at this episode and it'slike the newspaper that shows
up, the dairy was the one. That Leroy is holding.

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Yeah, it was called the dairy. The Dairy Tribune or something.
The Dairy Press, it says on the top, the dairy's oldest daily
newspaper. It's like, Can you imagine?
And then just, I mean, I know that they still exist like the
New York Times and stuff like that, but they had advertised
this episode that would be coming out on Friday, Halloween.
Yeah, October 31st, in case you don't know Halloween.
Hey, you ever know immigrant families?

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They don't know. They love the good scare.
And as you're watching the 2nd episode, it advised you that the
third episode would be coming out on November the 9th, so back
on Sunday. So you get a bit of a hang time
between this episode and the next one.
And kind of good reason too, because the end of this episode
is pretty big. The ending of every episode so
far is a pretty big. Yeah, they're leaving us with
really, really juicy cliffhangers.

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Like a season cliffhanger every episode.
I know I love it. The very thing you were afraid
of going back to Lily Bainbridgewas going back to the Juniper
Hill Asylum. And then you end up in Julia
Perho assignment anyway with as much as you were trying to avoid
it. And Hank went to prison, I
guess, or got got hauled away atthe very least.
Yeah. Nobody wins.

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The losers called keeps losing, basically.
Well, let's talk about what we are watching.
We're watching the second episode of IT.
Welcome to Derry. The thing in the Dark.
In your opinion, what is the thing in the dark?
How does that relate to this episode?
This is a very fitting episode title.
Not more than the first one though.
The title of the first episode could not have been more

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perfect, but this one is very fitting.
This one in particular kind of describes what we've been
talking about when we covered the first episode.
The thing in the dark is the thing that nobody in Derry wants
to talk about. All the things that are hiding
beneath the surface, everybody puts on these happy faces and

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smiling happy families, but really, underneath it there's
something dark lurking. And Pennywise, that's the
obvious. Thing of that, I was going to
say it was like so funny how youstarted with the thing that is
more nebulous than it is obvious.
Yeah. The obvious thing is Pennywise.
He's the thing in the dark. Yeah, his glowing eyes in
Ronnie's mother's. Ronnie's mom's womb in the.

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Imaginary slash manifests. Weird.
Yeah, it's actually happening, but really, you shouldn't be.
But here we are. You did get to see those glowing
eyes a couple times in the titlesequence, which was pretty crazy
by the way. Different than the first
episode, which is wholly unexpected and entirely welcome.
For me it was like what is this and why do I love it so much?

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Oh, I do, and I wrote down everylittle bit about it.
Well, let's save ourselves some time.
So I've mentioned my pal Matt onthe show a couple times in terms
of like, oh, Matt is watching along with us.
Here's his take. It hasn't happened in five
years, I think, but he is watching this show.
He sent me an article by The Hollywood Reporter about the
title sequence. And I had already written down

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those facts, like you did, aboutwhat we're seeing.
But this gives you more about who made it and why and what was
asked of them. Who made the title sequence?
Yeah, OK. All right.
So. Welcome to Dairy.
Just drop this stunning opening credits sequence, A Descent into
Dread. It actually has a title, A
Descent into Dread. They debuted on the show's
second episode, which was released on HBO Max a few days
early for Halloween. As we just said, the

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phantasmagorical animated sequence peels apart the
seemingly idyllic main town during the early 1960s to
gradually reveal an increasinglyhorrifying succession of
postcard like tableaus from Pennywise causing death and
destruction to the threat of nuclear war, which is so tight
the sequence is said to the Aggressively sunny 1956 is
again. This stuff I already wrote down.
But then he comes in. Did you read this?

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Screw you Matt, I wrote all thisstuff down man.
To the Aggressively sunny 1956 song A Smile and a Ribbon by
Patience and Prudence. It extends HBO's track record
for creating ground breaking titles for shows with previous
standouts including The Sopranos, Game of Thrones and
Westworld. These are pretty great title
sequences if you think about it.Good on them.
The show's executive producer and director, Andy Muschietti.

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Or is Muschietti or Miss Muschietti do you happen to
know? I don't.
Is it 2C's? MUSCHIETTI.
Muschietti. I think it's Muschietti.
Right, probably AK sound yeah orI don't know it could be a cha
it's. Like Lucchesi, Rob Lucasia,
LUCCHESEI don't know, maybe, probably never mind any.

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Muscati, who made the series along with his creative partner
Barbara Muscati, calls the concept a descent into dread,
quote UN quote, that was inspired by the film's postcard
tourism. Welcome to Derry title.
The name welcome to Derry felt touristic and brings you to the
world. This is a quote from them of
Postcards and and Facade, which has what I was saying in the
last episode, which has a lot todo with what Derry is a place

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that's seemingly wholesome, but there's something dreadful under
the surface, says Muscati, who heavily praised the production
studio Filmograph, which createdthe sequence.
There was a lot of tweaking and calibration.
How much is the next step? It reflects our desire to show
the big catastrophic events thatwe talked about in the last
episode. By the way, thank you.
Bridget described in Stephen King's book It All leading to

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the explosion at the Ironworks, the Kitchener Ironworks.
The Ironworks factory explosion and other events shown in the
credits, however, will not be necessarily be depicted in the
series, particularly during the first season.
So you never know. Another key event in the
sequence is a shootout in the street with the Bradley Gang,
which took place in the 1930s. A crucial component is the song
A Smile and a Ribbon, which was originally going to be used for

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a sequence where the character gets ready for school.
Then they tried the song for thecredits instead, and it fit
perfectly. As the images get weirder and
darker, the song offers up the unsettling key lyric.
The louder I say I'm happy, the more I believe it's so.
The song is about faking a stateof mind, faking a feeling.
Mosqueti says the message of thesong wrapped in such a beautiful
tune is dreadful in itself. The team at Filmograph also gave

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some insight into the titles creation, including one element
that went too far for even Muscati.
Our sign was to take the literature from Stephen King's
novel It and take vignettes thatalso exist in the world of the
show and find a way to stitch them together, said Aaron
Becker, a principal and directorat Filmograph.
Andy was dead set on the idea oftaking us back in time through a
specific type of medium, the tourist postcards that would

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normally find in a gift shop in a small town, which worked
perfectly for Stephen King's Lexicon and Dairy in particular.
The animation itself was done with CG, but then HBO let them
take what they had created and put the final production on
film, which added a bit of grainy realism to the end
result. And the nice thing is that Andy
kept saying I want the dirtiest looking version.
Grade also meshed well with the song, which has record scratches

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and pops a part of its original cording.
We got the track and we dropped it in.
It almost lined up perfectly, said Troy James Miller,
filmograph producer. We realized this is the perfect
track for this, and now it's been in my head for the last
year. I'm just like imagining like,
how much like sitting on this title sequence for so long,
you're like, oh God, finally getto debut this thing.
And it's only probably for the one episode too.
I would think it would be for the season.

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I don't know, I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
It was from more than one episode.
Just considering the banger of an episode it was.
Things to it, but I don't think we'll see a completely different
title sequence each episode. You know what I mean the more
you say it, the more I believe it, but it would be interesting
like kind of like the series, right?
This whole series build up OK this the first episode build up

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all these characters we grew to love just to wipe them away the.
Way lows, half of them. Wait, wouldn't it be fitting if
they just, since they set up this beautiful title, sequels.
OK, next one we're doing a completely different one that
you'll fall in love with and then we'll throw away just like
the people of this town. Basically, it just made what we
did look so much better because the song itself is so jarring.
Becker at it. It mirrors the characters arc as

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children becoming of age, tryingto convince themselves that the
biggest fears aren't real. We imagine viewers really
looking at this from an Easter egg perspective, just like the
show Easter egg, noted Seth Kleinberg, a Phil McGrath
principal and executive prisoner.
There's so much opportunity not to skip the intro and really
look into the finite details of what we've created.
And I think that's really, really special.
This is seriously one of our most favorite projects we've

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done. The sequence also has literal
Easter eggs. Literal Easter eggs during its
climactic postcard showing the explosion at Ironworks, which
took place during an Easter egg hunt in 19 O 8A girl running
from the flames originally was going to have eyeballs popping
out, but that proved one step too far for Musk Yeti.
That was too much, and we dialedthat back, Kleinberg said.
Meanwhile, has children and adults on fire.

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I know. I think one of the faces
melting. Was missing an eye.
Yeah, really. It was dark enough and you
really couldn't make it out. I think they just stayed on the
line of touristy and and something that you could pick
up, but you're like, wait, hold on.
Why? What am I?
Why am I picking this up on a postcard rack, which is like
most of the postcards I get? Like whoa, there's a penis in
here, why put it back? Oh my gosh, I.

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Don't know why. So the bottom line is it spoke
about the things that we broughtup in the last episode, lining
up to what we may or may not see.
Obviously there are things that have definitely passed like the
Gary Land, Gary Lynn shooting shootout, Garfield.
Bradley Bradley Gang The BradleyGang.
Gary Gang. Gary Lynn.
I Brad you Gary. Gary, what did you say?
Where's all that Gary land, anyway?

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Stop it. The Bradley Gang.
The Bradley Gang. And the Ironworks fire, those
things were. Because the timeline in the
books does not match up with thedairy that we know.
That's why they said in the article that we may end up
seeing this or maybe not. It could be the next season,
could be the season, who knows. So anyway, and The funny thing
is 1 detail that Bridget mentioned or I don't know who

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mentioned it in the last episode, but it was that the
explosion was so big they found a severed head in one of the
trees. And one of the first things you
see as it pans or switches over to that part of the sequence is
like this big fireball that you can't really, you don't really
know what it is, but it could bethe head, so.
Well, the first thing we say is the Easter Bunny like.
The. Scene transitions out of its his

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eyeball and then the Easter Bunny is just like.
Falling. Ball of a ball, yeah, but.
Then like like as you the Bunny zooms out.
You do see like a fireball of some sort, but you're not really
sure what it is. Later on you do see actual
Easter eggs on fire, but the onefireball was nondescript, so it.
Could be a body part could. Be a flaming head is what I'm

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saying. Well, listen, a couple of things
I particularly wanted to point out from the title sequence.
Yes, we did see a few little hints and nods to Pennywise, of
course, which I thought were really cute.
One particular particularly was the kids are like at the
swimming hole and there's tentacles coming out holding on.
To the sewer drain or sewer pipe.

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The tentacles specifically were very interesting.
And maybe not. Were they?
Maybe not. Maybe it was just simply to
illustrate something scary. Could it be a foreshadowing of
some kind? I don't know.
We saw a little bit of it in this episode, I think.
Yeah, sort of. With pickle octodad but it was

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but it was like. You said that to me out for a
second. Wait, hold on.
OK, OK. Yeah, I have to write things
down in my notes anyway. It's a no locked device.
I don't know. We also saw a young boy getting
a lobotomy. Yeah, at.
Juniper Hill Asylum. And it's in your head.
I know. I hope that's not a

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foreshadowing of any kind. When were lobotomy stopped?
OK, so lobotomy's largely stopped.
Yes, I looked all of that up. In the OK, so OK should have
asked, but it stopped in the 1950s and we're talking about
where in 1960? Well. 2 they were starting to be
less and less used in the 50s but they were still being done.
In the 60s they were not as common and in the UK they were

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being used through the 80s but in the US no they were done by
like mid to late 60s. While some procedures continued,
especially under the leadership of Walter Freeman, his final
lobotomy was in 1967. That would actually be more
tragic I think, because knowing that the practice was already on
the way to being stopped being the last one is the worst side.

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Thought I was trying to place everybody in the timeline and we
did mention Alvin Marsh in a heart for some reason.
And assuming Lily Bainbridge survives, could she be the one
who ends up marrying Alvin Marshto make Bevy Marsh?
Because she does look like the Bevy has that affect to her.
You know your hair is winter fire beverage.

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Why am I making the Alvin Marsh please?
I don't know, He doesn't say herhair is amber.
No, I know that's umm. Ben Handscomb.
Handscomb because he's been handsome.
I don't know, maybe. Because like, she has a single
mother and Bevy Marsh has the single dad.
So Lily Marsh goes off the trainsomewhere, basically Lily

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Marshall. I mean, she's definitely a
character meant to remind us of.And we didn't bring up in the
last episode Phil's last name, but Phil's last name was
revealed in this episode. Lisa B Malkin.
Yeah. And Speaking of names, the kid
that will sort of befriends in the hallway and also.
Yeah, Rich, right? Yeah.

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I was thinking this kid is such a Casparack.
No, in a sort of way more on thedorky than funny side.
My dad said the Sky's blue because God's a boy, God wise,
once it be pink. I like the more I dwell on that,
that musing fun. Here it is.
And the way he delivers it, it'sjust so like, oh, yeah, my dad

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says this guy is blue. Like, it's a matter of fact.
Like, yeah, I kind of totally believe him.
And it doesn't bother me one bit.
Yeah, yeah, that's life. Of course.
Yeah, Why would I? Why would he lie to me?
Well, I looked on IMDb. He does not have a last name at
the very least. Not credited.
No, so it just says Rich and he does reveal it in the episode as
well. Oh, OK.

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Well, then we do know that EddieKasparak, well, this would be
his grandfather. So I don't know if he has a,
he's a single mom also because Iknow his mom's like a
hypochondriac and therefore he'sa or has like maybe like
Munchausen's. Right, Eddie's mom is like a
hypochondriac. He's the hypochondriac and she
has the Munchausen's and she gives him that.
I don't know how that works. Whatever Munchausen syndrome by

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proxy or some other effect. He makes him anxious all the
time basically and he is convinced he has like asthma and
all these different maladies. Anyway, I don't know just he had
that like affect about him. I liked Rich and he's got a
crush on Marge. Yeah, weird, because they're
both weird too. They're weird.
No, they're weird. They're they're like the weirdo
kids that like each. Other that'd be cute.

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I think that's cute. I think it's also weird that
they're sort of pairing up otherkids too, Like OK, Will and
Ronnie are kind of there's a little dancing around that
they're. Stuck in detention?
Yeah, which I mean, if they end up producing Mike down the line,
their grandson, effectively MikeHanlon, because Will has like a
Mike affect to him. He knows a lot about the town.

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He ends up staying in the town. Be Mike's dad, right?
Would be his grandfather. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. My bad.
My wait, am I? Is it my bad?
Yeah, probably. My bad.
Yeah, sure. Yes, it is.
Sure. It gets so confusing.
OK, Yeah. Because then I looked up the
Bowers, right? We meet Police Chief Bowers.
He's Clint Bowers. His son is something Bowers.

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He produces Henry Bowers. Henry's the bully from the
miniseries. What's funny about Henry Bowers
is he, at least in the miniseries, is sprung out of, I
think, Juniper Hill Asylum by Pennywise.
Yes. I know it's not too dissimilar.
From the books. Juniper, Yeah.
Which is kind of odd for an adaptation that that's kind of

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accurate. The mind games he was playing
with Lily OH on the base of the town.
He's under the pressure, so he'sputting pressure on her.
None of it is OK, but it's a sign of the times, right?
It is, but you could tell that he was because he says this is
America. You need evidence to put
somebody away. This is what he's saying to Dan

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and the Councilman. Yeah, but this is like his last
gasp is what I'm saying is that he tried to stand up for himself
and then what ended up happening, and it's like
anything in this town, he tried to say something about something
and everybody looks like you as a you're the problem.
Small town. And then the rumors spread like
wildfire. Yeah, and then you're forever
branded. Is that family or that kid or

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you're on Pennywise's hit list, basically, I guess is what it
is. Because these kids, and it's
like this repeating travesty that ends up going down the
generations. This is why I had I said what I
said in our Discord, which is the take I'm going to have about
this episode at the very least, because because my opinions
might change episode to episode,is that I actually have a lot

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more sympathy for the town. I was very unapologetic about
saying this town is evil. Everybody inside is evil.
Pennywise made residents becauseeverybody was evil and awful and
disgusting. And Pennywise, like this is
great. There's no other town that's
like this. They really, really want to bury
their secrets. But then I saw the title
sequence and I heard the song that's in the title sequence,

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which is about faking it till you make it.
This is battery acid, you creep.Seth Green, baby Seth Green.
How do you overcome fear if not employing one of the tools,
which is faking it till you makeit?
To overcome it, you got to push through it.
You got to keep going. But then you see the rest of the
town, the way it looks at it, the way it looks at Charlotte

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after she speaks up about the bullying.
And then it just occurred to me that, oh, everybody knows.
They pretend like they don't know, but they know that could
be any one of them. They know about Pennywise.
You just don't talk about it. OK, now you went too far.
It's a double edged sword. I say this mostly because of two
main things. One is the thing at the end,
which is Leroy Hammond. You are a man who cannot

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supposedly feel fear, right? You have a damaged amygdala.
We need you to retrieve the thing that in who you won't be
affected by Pennywise basically because he feeds off a fear that
all these things that running through your head as you hear
this thing is what could it be? And they have these Native
American people who are looking on to, it's like, what is
happening here. I hope they don't find that
thing because it could be catastrophic.
If this town is captured by fear, it's being held hostage.

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Let's say. All they can do is not stir the
pot. Somebody actually said it in
this episode. Oh, yeah.
The airmen at the bar, literally, they said the
following. Don't see, don't say, Like,
don't ask, don't tell. Go along to get on, you dig.
They go all the way to China, baby.
And then I have to say that because that's, you know,
there's a different time everybody, but they say the
thing out loud. They say get along to get on.

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It's here. Other people more brave than you
have stood up to it. They have failed.
Pennywise is still here. So the best you can do is put on
a ribbon, right? And a smiling face and hope that
you faking it to you make it makes it so that Pennywise
doesn't decide to have you for dinner.
All of a sudden, I found myself sympathizing.
What would I do in their place? Would I be just as bad?

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Maybe I would because me speaking up means I'm in
Pennywise's crosshairs. Are you saying they literally
know about Pennywise or they just all feel this dread and
something bad in the air? Because I don't think they
literally know about Pennywise. I mean, everybody, everywhere in
small towns, they know about thedirt under the surface.
Miss Cratchit spreading the rumors and the gossip, talking

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about everybody. Everybody's got these dark
secrets that nobody wants to talk about.
Yeah, Miss Bridget, but that's the shtick, right Of a small
town, especially on TV. That's just how it is.
But I don't think these people actually know about Pennywise.
Well, it makes me wonder becausethe way they're looking at
Charlotte in town is very unsettling, unless it's just the

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way it's filled a. Lot of layers on why they're
looking at her like that. Also true.
What is an outspoken black woman?
Stan Hirsch. The Butcher the.
Butcher, he's like, oh, boys will be boys.
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's that
time, right? So everyone outside those doors
are like, Oh well, boys will be boys.
They're not going to say anything.
And then when she does, they're like, what are you doing?

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Just leave them alone. Boys will be kind, said no one
ever. Boys will be tall, Charlotte
said it. I love Charlotte.
OK, I do have to say something that I am afraid to say out
loud, but she is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
I think probably Taylor Page. So I'm like, who is this woman
and how do I not say what I'm about to say?

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She is very, very, very beautiful this.
Is the same thing as Margo MargoBigam honey walking.
Dead David's getting flustered over Charlotte.
I'm. So flustered.
And to top it a lot, she is gorgeous so I love her voice.
On top of it. Has, on top of everything else,
her voice and the way she speaks.

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I could listen to her read the dictionary.
Now, this is between you and me,because nobody's watching right
now, but this won't make the episode.
I'm kidding, it will. It has.
It has to. Just like we met Margot Bingham
and we took a selfie with Teo. Of course, we're going to
probably end up meeting Taylor Paige.
You will know more than anybody else because our team's not

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going to watch the episode. I love Margot, I love Te'o I and
meeting them was absolutely incredible.
Meeting Taylor, I might. I might actually be nervous
meeting her. I'm making a face to the podcast
audience who cannot see it or just flustered.
The fear in bringing up the Taylor page, by the way, is your
brain just slowly grinds to a halt and you're like, what else

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is there to talk about? There's nothing.
There's nothing. She is everything.
I don't know, she is very beautiful.
I wanted to look up where she isfrom.
OK, She's from America. I thought I caught a little
twinge of like an accent you didwhen she was talking.
It was intentional too. Oh, you're saying like like a

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from abroad? Yes.
Abroad from abroad. Sometimes when people from other
countries are or trying to soundAmerican, a little bit of it
slips out and you can like hear it sometimes in certain words.
And I thought I heard a little bit of that.
It was overly intentional in some spots because they're from
Louisiana. Shreveport specifically, which
is interesting because Shreveport is where the mist was

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filmed. Didn't take place in Shreveport,
but it was filmed in Shreveport.These like little things that
you like, you find out where they're from.
And we, because we've been talking about what the Super
secret project could have been. We don't know.
I don't think it's what we talked about in the last
episode. If you want to know what that
is, you better look at the last.Well, I just said it now.
It's the mist is what they claimed the Arrowhead hotel, the

(25:14):
Arrowhead project, whatever it was.
I bring that up because of her accent.
There is a bit of a southern accent toying to her speech.
He tries to bury it just like they're probably trying to do
that everywhere. Oh, and the car that she's
driving, it's a 1958 Ford country sedan.
It is in the key art that we areusing at the very least for our

(25:36):
thumbnails, podcast and video thumbnail graphics, which tells
you that of course the show is going to be revolving around the
Hamlin's, like you had said, I think it was.
So there's that, yeah. So was it the same kind of car
that the family who took Maddie was driving?
Right, the family that already gotten taken up anyways.

(25:57):
No, I think that was a pink Cadillac.
OK, at least that's what it looked like under the light.
I didn't. Pay that close of attention to
the kind of car, just what colorit was.
Yeah, I think, I think it was a Cadillac.
Had the old, I think it had the old Cadillac logo.
I'm not sure, but it could be a Chevrolet.
I'm not sure. It was like trying to mock be
the wife beating Dad. We had the kid.
We would step a portrait 2 hours.

(26:19):
Can't believe you'd do that to me.
Just like, well, we had to keep it well below the speed limit,
obviously, all the way from Shreveport, LA to Derry, Maine.
That took a long time, that drive.
But you know, racism, racism everywhere, everywhere you see
racism. Pretty clever way to kind of say
that without being overt about it, even though it's everywhere.

(26:41):
I'm going to mention this on theside just because it's right
here. There is a little bit of
parallel which you sort of, I think point out somewhere, yeah,
grown folks talking right in your title.
The parallel is between the Grogan family, how they talk to
each other and how the Hamlin family talks to each other.
And they both say sort of the same thing, that it's just grown
folks talking. Love that for us.

(27:02):
Yes, I definitely did make note of that.
Another indicator to me that Ronnie and Will end up marrying
and having their future kid. So that's just what I think.
Maybe when Charlatan will show up.
We see Leroy sitting on the porch.
He's reading the paper. Oh yeah, I did write down the
headline. It's not anything.
I wrote it down too, and I thinkit's, I think it's a bad day.

(27:25):
It goes to the theme of the show.
We have the Cold War. It does.
Tommy knows. It's just further moving along
the storyline that we already know that is taking place in
this timeline in real life. It's reminding us of the time
we're in. Well, how much of it do you
have? Because there's a lot that is
hard to make out if you don't hit the right frame.

(27:46):
I only wrote down the headline because nothing else matters.
Well, some of if you caught the rest of there's another article
just under the highline headlinearticle.
You read the first one, I'll read the second one.
The big headline is Kennedy MOA.More military advisors to South
Vietnam. New advisors to assist South
Vietnamese troops combating communist insurgency is the sub

(28:09):
headline of that. The other article underneath
that is nuclear test ban supportmoms and babes say stop.
There is opposition to the nuclear testing and all the fear
mongering and whatnot. Or not fear.
It wasn't. It wasn't necessarily fear
mongering. It really is like this show.
Is the fear real or is it imagined?
It's real. Pennywise is real.
So is the threat of nuclear war.Right.

(28:31):
No, that's what I'm saying. It is real.
Pennywise is real. You have every right and reason
to be afraid of Pennywise. Just like nuclear war.
Yeah, yes. But what do you do in the face
of it, like Kennedy? Do you send more military
advisors to fight communism? Or do you tell the nuclear
testing to stop because somebodyhas to stop maybe at some point,

(28:53):
but I don't know if they're ready to at that point.
The two approaches to the fear, the mothers and babes say to
stop the testing like, we're scared, stop.
And then the others are like, no, we need need to figure out
how to stop them before they getus.
Right. Rachel, you got to kill them
before they kill you, right? Rachel, you should not have been
the military, but I don't know. Maybe you should have.
You're probably right. You're probably right.

(29:15):
You're always right. Yeah, sometimes.
I'm always right, sometimes right.
It wasn't quite as obvious in the first episode.
I don't think Leroy scars his injuries.
We know he was in an accident, but they're they're more
noticeable in this episode. Maybe he spends more time in the
I don't know. He also has like AT shirt on

(29:35):
instead of his uniform, but we see a lot more of his injuries
reminding us that he was in thishorrible accident.
Well. Even General Shaw says, oh,
because of your injury. He mentions it, yeah, but now
we're seeing it. But I believe handling when he
says we're too afraid to finish the job is really the end of
that statement that he says to Shaw.
He. Didn't say they were too afraid,
he just said that they didn't finish the job.

(29:56):
That they didn't finish up. But the assumption is because we
have to touch on the fact that when we were watching Dark
Winds, one of the takeaways fromthe Korean War was that it was
pretty brutal on the people who came back.
And people who came back from ithad trouble finding work or had
trouble picking up the pieces oftheir lives, especially the
native men who came back, of thepeople that came back.

(30:18):
And he was one of them. He was the exact opposite.
Because even General Shaw was saying, Oh, the thing that upset
you was your injuries, right? Like everybody else who came
home, right? Basically is what he the
implication was He's like, no, because we didn't finish the
job, man. Like, wait, what?
Because even us looking at his face, his injuries on his face
was like, I would have made the same assumption.

(30:38):
And what we know about the Korean War, I would have made
the same assumption, the same thing about the story about it.
It's like, oh, you, you could walk in making certain
assumptions about how people react to this town.
And this, as soon as somebody says the thing that you don't
expect is kind of interesting. So Hamlin saying we didn't
finish the job kind of shook me a little like, oh, wait, who's
this guy? What, what is it?

(30:59):
What is this the Iraq war? Most people.
Well, all of this is proving whyShaw wanted him.
Yes, in retrospect. I don't know what Shaw expected
to hear, but that's definitely what he wanted to hear.
Absolute freaking lutely is every joy and hope in bringing
him to the Air Force Base. Absolutely.
And it took me until my third watch to figure out what part of

(31:21):
this whole storyline we saw thisepisode was the test because he
said you, you were being tested,son, and and you passed the
first time I watched it. I was like.
Bullshit, what are you doing? You got caught, he called you
out, now you're trying to backpedal.
I was like no way not happening.And then I watched it again and
I was like oh OK cuz I I was toobusy being mad and I missed the

(31:46):
part about the damaged amygdala.I was there and I was like, OK,
I'm missing. I'm your next words.
Better be the right ones. Like in my head.
And they were. And you're like still mad even
after those words. I was, I was, I was still mad.
And I'm like, no, no way. But then the second time I
watched it, I caught the part about the amygdala.
And I thought, oh, oh, OK, so this is real.

(32:09):
What happened in the barracks? That was the test.
Everything that happened after was just kind of a product of
that. And also I keep having to remind
myself, this is just the next day.
Oh. No, no, it was a week.
Because when he goes to visit Masters in the cell, he said
this is the same model you had in my face last night.
I'll tell you why. It may or may not be only

(32:30):
because the vigil that PrincipalDunleavy was talking about with
regards to Phil, Susie, and actually what he says is Teddy
and Susie, he does not mention Phil, which is interesting.
Susie Malkin and Teddy Uris. Those are the only parts, he
says. Like the Malkin kids?
Oh, does he say that? Yeah, he he lumps them together

(32:50):
by their name. Somebody doesn't mention Phil.
Look, let's close this point. This loop at least.
Was that the memorial was last week for their passing?
Was it a week from the time thatthose events had?
Why would he be making an announcement a week later that
doesn't make any? Sense it was, yeah.
He'd mentioned that there was a memorial for the family.
I thought it was the night of. Was it the night before?

(33:11):
It couldn't be the night before.That would been the murder which
would not have taken. No, the memorial was the night
before. It's been a week.
There was a candlelight vigil for only I know he says I write
only Teddy and Susie, not Phil. A small reminder of the
community that we can weather any storm.
No sloppy joes in remembrance because that's how gruesome the
scene was. He mentioned this in the in the
morning announcements. I guess it's the way he worded

(33:33):
that mean I I could I'll rescindthe whole Phil not mentioning
Phil thing because I thought maybe because they didn't find
any parts of Phil is probably why he said that.
Well, I don't think they found any parts of.
It anybody you find out later. Right.
Because they didn't find any bodies, right?
And we find that out right away.The cops in the patrol car in
the beginning talk about not finding any bodies.

(33:54):
But if you're not paying attention, maybe they ate them.
Yeah, maybe he ate them. Maybe Grogan ate them is what he
saying? Really.
Pennywise ate them, which is whyit's funny.
But who's the evil? It can't be a magical dancing
clown, Rachel. It could not, although.
Maybe they all know the truth, they just don't talk about it.
I would like to thank everyone who attended last week.

(34:14):
'S candlelight. Vigil.
Masters, I don't know what you're doing here, but you sure
as hell weren't in my room. The other.
Night, Sorry, we got super way far off track again that we were
talking about. I was talking about Leroy in the
beginning, but I could have swore, he said.
This is the model that you stuckin my face last night.
Or maybe, he said that night. That night, Oh, it could have.

(34:37):
It could have been that. Night it's that morning
announcement. He definitely mentioned it was
like a week ago and it could which.
Means were a week prior. Yeah, I mean, but.
We don't know that he was beatenup on the same night.
Well, and then it's further accentuated by the fact that
those officers that were standing around Hank Rogan's
apartment or that complex, right, that whole building
projects, they've been staying out there every night since the

(34:58):
murders, basically to make sure he doesn't slip up.
The projection is in the theaterwith a Candlestick, right?
The clue reference. Yeah.
Jeez, what a cheesy guy. Hey, that's my kid, Phil
Malkins. Whatever.
I don't know what he said. His kid was friends with Phil.
Yeah. We meet Will and Charlotte for

(35:19):
the first time. Will goes up and sees the
telescope that his dad got him because Charlotte knows her kid
and told her husband what gift to buy because Leroy wants his
son to be a boy's boy. And Will is very clearly into
science and discovery and more educational things, which is

(35:40):
awesome, but it's just not something that Leroy understands
or can relate to. So we do see this awkwardness
between them, but I think it's very endearing because Leroy's
still trying to like, find that connection.
I got it now. You know, I got it now because I
Neil was going to ask you about that joke quote, UN quote that
he made. Yeah, I know you.

(36:02):
Want to explain what what Dumb Dave didn't realize about the
joke he was trying to make? What?
My brain went into like conspiracy theory mode, like,
oh, is this a reference to a movie?
What he's saying about peeping on other neighbors with a
telescope? And then you just explaining
this to me like, oh, he's tryingto connect to his son because he
doesn't know how to be. He's not like a typical boy.

(36:23):
And I'm like, oh, wait a minute.He's saying that to his kid
because he doesn't know what hiskid likes.
And he's like, maybe this peeping Tom thing is something
we can do together. Charlie's like.
And I'm like, like, well, oh, I was just joking, like.
I don't know and. Boys will be boys.
Is that what you're trying to? Say boys will definitely be boys

(36:44):
and listen, they're they're new in a neighborhood.
I didn't get it. Not exactly getting the most
warm welcome so far. So I mean, if you ask my
opinion, it's not a bad idea to just kind of keep a side eye on
your neighbors anyway. Oh.
My God, stop it. You know what he was trying to
say. Let's bond about looking at nude
women in the. Well, yeah, Mrs. Mrs. who was

(37:07):
for. Johnson was her name.
Was Johnston I? Can't remember why are they
pointing. Yeah.
So, OK, OK. But I didn't get that though,
until you put you like started talking about Oh my God, am I
that dense? Rachel, I'm dumb.
Sometimes. Sometimes it's like am IA man
now. Though am I?

(37:28):
Am I masculine enough anymore? Do we need to take testosterone?
Maybe. Or should I?
Is muscati? Is it testosterone?
Oh my gosh, I will. So just before this, just before
this awkward encounter between father and son.
And Charlotte? And, well, no, Charlotte's just
like. She.
Sees it Charlotte Charlotte is watching this just like we are

(37:50):
I. Was like awkward.
It is, but he's. But it's endearing because he's
trying. He's trying good.
Good call. But there is a little nod in
there right before Will Leroy have this awkward encounter?
Leroy says. I got that telescope at a second
hand shop. The owner cut me a deal.

(38:14):
Really Needful things. Needful things was all about the
devil running a second hand store.
Oh my. Goodness.
People, obviously we find out that that's not the case.
And it's literally what the story's called.
Rose second hand something. Second hand rose.
Second hand rose. Not needful things, but when he
delivered that line I was like, oh.
Good call, good call. I it wasn't in my head, I

(38:36):
wouldn't have thought of that. Needful Things was, it's one of
my favorites. How did you know?
So she is the dude from Needful Things.
Is that Rose is? No, she's not.
But maybe this is one of those things.
Maybe she's the devil. It's like when you talk about
Pocahontas, she wasn't like in love with Captain Smith.
This is not the story we were told.
The Needful Things guy is this woman.

(38:57):
They had to make it a man for this story because it's how we
tell stories. Oh, OK, evil is a man OK, not a
Native American woman. Also, I'm fairly certain that
takes place in Castle Rock. Not but dairy anyway.
The Bangor chew is on the billboards and by the way, I
just literally before we came on, I think it's called the

(39:19):
dairy stand pipe is basically where they're doing the OBS.
It's not. We said this in the discord.
I think it was that the lighthouse quote UN quote that
they were viewing the town over is not.
Corrected us. Yeah, Rob corrected us, yes.
And I but I found out more aboutthe dairy stand sewer pipe or
stand pipe it's called. It's basically a tower where the
sewer system is basically in thebooks essentially, but it's

(39:40):
actually a real place. The one that's filmed on the
show is a real place that was viewable from Stephen King's
home. That's what they where they
filmed. So it's.
Wow. Pretty accurate to Stephen
King's vision of the book. Basically, yeah.
Dairy Standpipe is a fictional landmark in Stephen King's
novel. It's serving as a location where
the main character Stand years first encounters the monster

(40:00):
Pennywise. Is based on the real life Thomas
Hill Standpipe in Bangor, ME, like I said last week, which
Stephen King used as inspirationfor the fictional town of Derry.
In the story, the sandpipe is a water tower that holds a
sinister secret and is ultimately destroyed after the
second ritual of chud chud, chudchud.
You know what they tore about the arachnid?

(40:20):
I'm kidding. Yeah, in the miniseries.
That's cool. Real life, what Stephen King saw
when he was writing it, That's what we're seeing in the show.
Pretty wild. Why did we go there?
Because you went needful things.And that made me think of the
Castle Rock Entertainment Lighthouse.
And so I went to the standby. But Rose is pretty nice
actually. She is, but it's clear to me

(40:44):
that Rose is having an uneasy feeling just based on her, her
body language, the looks that she's giving.
It was that weird thing where she says you have a son was what
the basis of the telescope was. But she pauses and stares at her
for a little too long, and then when Charlotte walks away to
continue shopping, the camera holds on rows for a few extra

(41:07):
seconds, too. I mean, it's these are
deliberate choices, so it's got to mean something.
Especially when Charlotte says that her son is 12 going on 13.
I'm. Going to be 13.
Yep. In August, I think she says,
right? Yeah.
Which means something like Pennywise needs to eat a certain
age, I guess, certain of children.
Not necessarily. I know it had something to do
with that or something to that effect.

(41:28):
It had to be younger than a certain age.
I'm vaguely remembering that that was important.
If the kids get too old, he justkills them.
I think it was. But like if they're young
enough. Eating them.
I forget what it is. Yeah, something like that.
Well, as I don't know I would, Iwould assume it has something to
do with the fear. Yeah, well, yeah, I think that's
what it is too. But I, I know that age had to do

(41:48):
something with it, which is why he all he would want to do with
the older versions of the kids from the town is destroy them,
kill them. Yeah, exactly.
Rather than cocoon them up and eat them or whatever.
Feed on their fear, basically. Yeah.
Forever, I think, where this series excels, even over the
movies and even over the miniseries, of course, obviously

(42:11):
awkwardly, I know. Listen, I'm with you.
Is pitting Ronnie against Lily because you're like, who do I
side with here? There's no easy answer.
There is no answer, period. It's a rock and a hard place.
It's like it's me who I've already been to this horrible
place and I'm not eager to go back because again, that thing
with the the pic and doing the whole lobotomy thing that is in

(42:32):
your head now when they're fighting, that could happen to
me. Both terrible things that they
were both afraid of have happened, yeah.
Well, and there's a quality to that in that sometimes the
things that we're most afraid ofaren't as bad as they we think
that they are. But of course, we're watching
this show. Sometimes, but this is
definitely not that case. These are both very awful

(42:53):
things. I know, we know that because of
the book series, TV shows, I've.Just said, like going to jail
and going to an asylum, those are two very horrible things.
If something like that were to happen in real life, we overcome
these things. We fear that these things are
the worst things in the world. And then you find out the life
does go on, that you try to makethe most of things of make make

(43:14):
the most of a bad situation in normal circumstances.
If Lily gets lobotomized, that'snot going to be a normal life.
I know, I know, I know what you're saying, but.
And if Hank gets killed in jail,that is not going to be a
normal. Life, I know, but what I'm
saying in like in our normal life, it's like we fear that
this, this will end the world. As a kid, you're like, this is
the end of the world if this happens and they're both kids.

(43:36):
As a kid, everything is the end of the world.
Right, that's all I'm trying to say.
Not like in the real world. They are terrible things.
Well, I I mean, I would agree with you except that.
What we're talking about is the worst.
Two very serious like this isn'tlike, oh, you know, I want to be
popular with these girls and they don't like me.
That is Margie's situation whereyes, it feels like the end of

(43:58):
the world, but it is not now your dad going to jail and you
going to an asylum. Yes, those are very life
altering things. They are life altering.
Something you can definitely getupset about.
But I think no, no, it's, well, there's getting upset about
something and being the actual end of the world, which it
isn't. You feel like it's going to be

(44:18):
the end of the world, but then you realize tomorrow comes and
you have to pick up the pieces. It's going to be the end of a
world, a world as you know it. Yeah.
Your world is going to change. Sure, sure.
Yeah, but if not for the fact that we know more than they do,
They know already a taste of what we know, but they don't
know all the extent to which their lives are going to get

(44:39):
worse. We know that they know.
We know. We know.
They don't know what we know. Exactly.
That they're going to know. Unfortunately for them.
All right. Yeah, Anyway, yeah.
Yeah, that's, that's the sucky part is that we do know.
That on that. It may as well be worse than the
end of the world for them, basically.

(44:59):
We know that things are going toget worse.
It makes an already sad thing like you feel for them.
We all feel like the thing that we did or the thing that
happened to us is the worst thing in the world.
They and they would end our world.
And then you realize it moves on.
But no, not here. It doesn't move on.
It gets worse. So it's already bad.
This thing makes it worse. That's what I'm saying.
I mean, that's just life in general, right?
No matter how bad you think something is, it can get worse.

(45:22):
But I often find that when you're a kid, it's not as bad as
you think it's going to be. Everything's exaggerated as a
kid. And that's all I meant.
But to your point about Marge, when Lily was like, I don't care
about your stupid Patty cakes. Phil and Teddy and Susie are dad
and you see, like the lights start to go on a little bit.
He's like, probably, right? I don't get what you're saying,

(45:42):
sort of, but there's something in what you're saying that I'm
supposed to get, I think. And then life moves on.
Shut the hell up. I'm trying to teach a class.
Well, what did you think in thatmoment?
Do you think she was starting toget it?
And then lights went out. Yeah, but she's like a teenager.
She's like, well, yeah, that's happening.
But my problems are. Bigger.
Yeah, because to her it's death if she can't get.

(46:05):
Oh yeah, it's the end of her. World if she can't be friends
with the Patty cakes. We don't need to talk about
Marge too much, but I do feel bad for her.
I know she's Oh yeah, that's right.
I know Bridget's not a. Bridget's like, oh, I hate this,
this girl, I. Know she's not a big fan of
Margie but I feel bad for her because she's just.
It's a normal kid trying to be popular.

(46:26):
She's doing dumb stuff to try tofit in.
And really, what do the kids know, That's sort of what I was
trying to say before, is that the adults know that there's
something wrong in this town that they end up pinning on
something or somebody. The adults were once kids, too.
And so they remember these incidents.
They learn to forget about it growing up, pinning it on
something else that isn't Pennywise basically, and moving

(46:46):
on with their lives. But they know that something
dark is in this town. And it rears his head every
generation. And if you're lucky enough to
live two generations, to be a grand person, whatever, then
it's happening again, and you better not cause trouble or a
ruckus or be like, Charlotte from out of town doesn't know
any better. So what does Marge and all those
kids know? And that's the saddest part of

(47:07):
all. Most of the adults know what's
happening now. Maddie Clements goes missing.
Phil and Teddy Eris die. Principal Dunleavy's like it's a
reminder that our town will weather any storm.
Meanwhile, there's no sloppy joes in remembrance of their
gruesome death that must have happened even though there's no
bodies like all the other thingsbasically that happened to this

(47:28):
town. So they know, but the kids don't
really know until they learn probably later on what was at or
at least not these kids we're talking about the kids from the
future they figure out because they actually look at the
history of the God damn town to figure out what what keeps
happening to it. I'm saying all this to say,
that's why I sympathize with Marge a little bit.
OK. Because I not only sympathize

(47:48):
with Marge, I sympathize with the town a little bit too.
Because I called it evil. I called the people evil.
And to a degree, evil persists when good men do nothing.
But what happens to the good menthat do something in this town
at the very least? They die, yeah.
That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
So even Marge trying to make thebest out of bad situation, she
does not know him. For all the bad things.
Yeah, Hank. Right, Lily?

(48:09):
Even to a degree, right? Not even to a degree.
She has guilt, but it's not her fault.
That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I've been saying
throughout, is that the only person that may or may not be
affected, unless Pennywise decides to kill him anyway, is
Leroy Hanlon. Just because he can't be
affected by the fear doesn't mean Pennywise can't kill him.
Just like Hank Bowers ends up trying to kill the adult
versions of Richie and all the gang as they grow up in the IT

(48:33):
story basically. Henry.
Yeah, Henry Bowers tries to killall the adults.
Hank. I did.
But Henry is Hank. Well, he was called Hank a
couple times. Yeah.
If he can't do it himself, he'llget a human to do it for him,
because the human will be afraid.
So same goes for Leroy, is what I'm trying to tell you.
OK. He's a threat to Pennywise.
Well, yeah. Will he gets a load of him?
Will's going to be a threat, too.

(48:54):
Will likes science and chemicals, and I think he's
going to whip up something that Pennywise doesn't expect.
Sounds right. Battery acid, perhaps?
Yeah, maybe some battery acid. Why not?
Oh man, you know when you're a kid watching the miniseries you
gravitate towards certain characters.
I never realized how much I actually liked Mike Hamlin and

(49:16):
then until I realize, oh, he's like been there the whole time,
documenting all this, making sure it never happens again,
never forgetting like everybody else forgets.
He never left dairy. Yeah, and that's the one thing
that And think about his story, right?
They move from Shreveport, LA and stay there ever since.
He never moves. One thing that I forgot about
the books is that it's not that people forget or want to.

(49:39):
They do want to forget, but one of the things that Mike mentions
in at least the miniseries, I don't remember if this was said
in the books, is that whereas everybody else did forget, like
it's almost like a fog or a mistenveloped the town to make them
forget. He made sure he never forgot
something that would remind him to never forget and that it
wasn't always their fault that they forgot like everybody else

(49:59):
forgot. I have to have a little bit more
grace. Pennywise farts for passes gas
for 27 years to make people forget.
See and then Will basically has the formula for his farts so he
doesn't forget. He's a kid that never forgets.
We just solved it. Why Mike never forgets.
Basically it's because of his dad studied chemicals.
Yeah. The farts.

(50:20):
Pennywise. Farts.
We solved it. Got it.
Pennywise Flatulence. All right, I want to mention one
thing, and it's something that Idid mention on Discord to
nobody's response, which isn't unusual sometimes.
Sometimes I'll say something. In our ICYMI channel, I posted a
theory about Leroy Hanlon. Did we see Phil Russo anytime
during this episode? Paul Russo.

(50:41):
Paul, We did not. Yeah, what did I say?
Phil Russo? Phil Pauli Russo, right?
No, we didn't see Pauli at all. OK, one thing that occurred to
me, this is like the classic Ashley Weidman thing when she
was talking about RJ Grimes and The Walking Dead.
Is RJ real? I started thinking, looking at
all the different scenes that happened with Pauli Russo and
Leroy Hanlon, and I realized, isPauli Russo real?

(51:05):
He doesn't have too many interactions with anybody else
in these scenes. I.
Don't know, I'd have to go back and watch again.
I see if anyone talks to him directly.
I keep looking at Dick Halloran,thinking Dick probably sees
Pauli Russo because Dick is veryspecial.
Because Dick is Dick, Yeah. Yeah, he's got some.
He's got some insight into the right.
So maybe he sees Pauli Russo as Leroy Hanlon sees Polly Russo.

(51:30):
Maybe. But nobody else can see him.
I'll have to go back and rewatchit.
I know the the few lines that I remember Polly delivering are
directed towards Leroy, right? I don't.
Know right? It was the way the end of that
violence scene happens with the gas mask fellas.
What? Wait a minute, Right when they
get off the plane and they walk up to somebody, I feel like he

(51:51):
addresses the both of them. It was Colonel Fuller, Yeah.
I don't know if he he addresses both of them, but he definitely
announces himself itself. Yeah, now I can.
Now I I'm going to have to go back and rewatch that.
I had made this observation before I watched this episode,
but when I watched this episode another observation occurred to
me. I wonder if rich is real either

(52:12):
because if daddy Leroy is seeingPoly rich, rich.
Rich is real. Margie made some major eyes at
Rich. But maybe Margie is touched too.
That's what I'm saying. No, that's too far.
You went too far. Oh, I don't know.
The line is a dot. No, that's too far.
I wonder because even Rich beingwhere Will is, is in the band

(52:33):
outfit and everything about justRich looks out of place.
Also like Polly Russo. It's like everybody else is
bullying Will. Basically, they're all looking
at him weird and funny and he's like, oh, Cedar Point, it's a
pencil. Like, I'm not going to be like
everybody else. Why?
Because nobody can see him. Rich is figured out how to fly
under the radar. He's been around long enough.

(52:53):
That nobody picks on him anymore.
Yeah, it just stays quiet. It's it's a feeling, you know,
the feeling that you got about Rose, like something about that
he just lingered on him a littletoo long.
Yeah. The polyrusa thing, I think you
could see. But the rich thing might take a
little bit more time. I don't know.
No, I think that's too much because we got to start building
our. Roster of children that are

(53:13):
still alive. Yeah, we need, we need our
Losers Club. Yeah, the group of kids that are
going to make up our heroes, andI think Rich is going to be one
of them. I feel like I have to say this
much and I I feel bad mentioningthis.
It does feel like Marge ends up becoming one of them.
Only because if you've watched any of the teasers, there's an
allusion to that and you see certain.

(53:34):
Things. Watch the teasers.
I think that's why I like the connective tissue, Marge going
down a certain path that might end up in tragedy, that makes
her want to change her ways, which you could see it's like
there's a brick wall right aheadof her.
This is not going to end well for her, especially.
No, not at all. Patty's going to make it so too,
by the way, which is again more sympathy her way.
Absolutely. Patty's going to do something

(53:54):
devastating to Marge. I'll admit one thing is that
when Marge started making fun ofScott, this knot.
Yeah. And whatever anything else she
did, she was genuinely funny. Oh, somebody played by Puzzle,
right? Yeah, she's funny.
I don't know if like. You felt like that might have
been you at 1.0. They're laughing at this, this

(54:16):
like, OK, I'll keep going with this.
Probably. Yeah, which is that that little
bit of part of you that like, OK, maybe you shouldn't be
laughing at this, but like, maybe what else does a kid have
to do to get the attention, you know?
I don't know. I've probably, I don't.
It's not even worth talking about.
Right, you're like, do I want toopen this can of worms about my
former self? No, I do not.

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So before we get too far away from Will and his love of
science, I just want to say how adorable he was in detention
when he's talking about the chemicals that go into the stink
bomb. And he's like, it's the same
stuff that's on Jupiter and Venus.
So maybe I stink, or maybe I'm covered in Stardust.

(55:02):
Like goofy smile. He's so adorable.
He's. Got the moves.
It was so cute. And then he's like, he's got his
head down, but he's like lookingup at Ronnie with his eyes,
like, is she laughing? I want to see if that actually
worked, but it doesn't really matter because I believe it.
Yeah, because he does believe it.
It's like one thing if he's trying to put the moves.

(55:23):
It's another thing if you actually believe it.
He said that with his whole chest and like.
He said that with his. Chest.
I loved it. Just for funsies, I wrote down
everything that was on the chalkboard of.
Course we did. We both did.
None of it means anything, but it is cute.
Well, Betty is a slut. We know that now.

(55:44):
I. Wish.
Betty, yes. Betty is a slut.
Susan was here. Mike loves Christine.
I so badly wanted that to say Arnie loves Christine, right?
But it didn't. Did you notice the loose
connection that Google AI tried to give you for Mike in
reference to Christine? No, I didn't look it up because

(56:04):
I read Christine, so I knew Arnie was in love with
Christine. Mike was a janitor in another
school who happens to disappear because some other entity went
after him in a short story within the story basically.
Oh, OK. Something about Fluffy Fluffy
got him quote UN quote fluffy. I don't know this.
Was in one of King's short stories.

(56:27):
Either the short story was like or was like a small Side Story
within Christine. OK, and of course on every
detention chalkboard are a pair of boobs.
Oh, wait, Michael Cunningham is the father of the main character
Arne Cunningham, Which actually sort of makes sense.
No, it doesn't. No.
It doesn't. If we're using the push forward
version of the timeline, becausethen Christine would happen way

(56:48):
later, Think about it. What?
Arnie's parents hated that car. But you know, Arnie had a
father. I don't know.
He did. It's a way of putting 2 words
together though. Or maybe maybe he hated the car
because there was a deeper connection to it than Arnie
realized. What?
Yeah. OK, well, there's that.

(57:09):
If you have headphones on, you can actually hear the
conversation the Master Sergeant's having at the gate
with regards to Dick Halloran. Yeah, the guys come back.
Yeah, you can hear the voice on the other end.
He says, do you like your job, Master Sergeant?
Even I was kind of like, this isnot gonna work.
And I'm like, do you like your job, Master Sergeant?
And he's like, yes, Sir. Right away, Sir.
Hold on, we gotta go back a little bit farther.

(57:31):
There's a whole scene at the bar.
Sure, sure, before they get to the gates.
I just wanted to include that there because that was a little
funny. Well.
Yeah, but that comes later. The guys at the bar, the two of
them got grilled, but Dick didn't.
Oh, that's right. Well, because special projects,
super secret spy project, which you'll find out later what is
sort of, I guess, well, what arethey being grilled for?

(57:53):
For the attack on Leroy. Why is that ridiculous
considering? Because they're black.
And so because they're black, why does that not make sense
that they were working with masters?
Well, because Masters is a huge racist.
So why would they be a part of this scandal?
They absolutely wouldn't. But OK, if we're going to be
illogically consistent, then theArmy itself is trying to get rid

(58:14):
of its own undesirables. Doesn't matter if it's a racist
or two black people. Well, OK, listen, listen.
You're. Jumping way ahead here, you're
jumping way ahead. Everyone may have been
questioned. We only hear from these two.
Guys, because they're in the scene.
OK. And they do mention that
everybody was being grilled, basically.
Absolutely, and we know Masters was because we saw him in the

(58:35):
office. Everyone was grilled, even
though Shaw already knows who was under those masks, and I'm
starting to think maybe Dick wasone of them.
Oh yeah, sure. One, that's why he wasn't
questioned, and two, that's why he winks at him later.
So that would wait. Winks at who?
Dick winks at Leroy. Yes, he does, right.

(58:56):
Oh, right. And he's, which kind of implies
that he was the ringleader essentially.
Well. He wasn't the one talking it.
Feels like, how do you know? Because it wasn't his voice.
I mean, it was kind of muffly and weird.
Well, I guess that means one down and two to go.
But even if it matters anymore, who was underneath those masks?
Well, and that's what Shaw says he's like.
Does it matter? And and honestly.

(59:19):
It's like a nod to the audience.It doesn't matter, guys.
In that moment, I'm like, yeah, I guess it doesn't.
Because it works either way for Shaw.
If he doesn't find out, he gets to wash out somebody he didn't
want on the team anyway, right? Right.
I want to know what they were offering masters for the
confession. I'll say this, I feel like it
wouldn't have mattered. They have him dead to rights for
he. Has a very dirty record.

(59:41):
Something as easy as hey, we'll erase all of this from your
file. Well, it wouldn't even matter.
When you have something on somebody, you don't make a deal.
Do you know what I mean? They were fully expecting him to
wash out because of this incident, fully prepared to pin
it on. No, actually, that's not true.
You're right. He was ready to take the fall.
Well. Then what else?
What bigger thing did they have on him?

(01:00:02):
I didn't think they were threatening him.
I thought they were making him an offer.
Somebody said, hey, like to flash out to this and we'll,
like I said, remove these citations from your file or
whatever. I don't know.
I don't know the verbiage, but I'm not a military person.
They had to offer him something to make the confession.
Maybe not being dishonorably discharged, maybe, Or maybe just

(01:00:24):
that reassignment. Yeah, exactly.
Either flush laterally or flush up.
I don't see him flushing up, butmaybe a?
Lateral load. The worst things have happened
though, like people flush up allthe time.
No, I know, but this? This guy's in a special.
Right. An abysmal, actually.
Large Dick. Which is why I don't think
they'll wipe it out, but I thinkit it's very likely that they
would make him confess so that he wouldn't be further

(01:00:45):
dishonorably discharged, which is like the worst thing you can
get. You can't get work anywhere and
all that stuff. In any case, I say that only
because of the way he tries to load that pistol.
What Hanlin tries to do to test him also like they're trying to
test Hamlin. I loved it too.
I knew it the second he asked when he asked Colonel Fuller
about the gun. Oh, yeah, that.
Yeah, I found it. Yeah, Yes, yes.

(01:01:07):
Yeah. Yes, of course they didn't find
it. No kidding.
No, they didn't find anything. I told my kids when I stared
death in the fit. Sure.
Hamlin OK. Yeah.
Have No Fear. Hamlin.
OK. He's a he's a quick thinker,
too. Yeah.
So we started at the Falcon and we ended up here.
The Masters. Yeah, yes.
But I wanted to go back to the Falcons.

(01:01:29):
I found some things out about this bar that I did not know
initially, and then I read some things that were a little bit
conflicting. So I'm going to share what I
found, and then I hope that maybe someone listening can fill
in some gaps, or maybe you can help me clean it up a little
bit. So in the book, which to be
fair, I haven't read the book yet.

(01:01:50):
I have it in my library here, but I have not gotten around to
reading it yet. So I don't know all the details
of the novel. I've seen the miniseries many,
many times, and I watched the movies once.
I don't even know if I watched the second one, so I don't
remember every little detail. So the Falcon Tavern is where
O'halleran, Reggie, and our third unnamed friend did we get?

(01:02:13):
I don't know if we heard the other guy's name.
They're having drinks. Chief Bowers walks in, he's
going to have a drink and he refers to the bartender.
Elmer Kurdi is the owner of the Falcon Bar in the universe.
Starting in the 70s and through the 80's, The Falcon actually
becomes a very popular and thriving gay bar under the

(01:02:37):
ownership of Curti, still in 85 I believe characters Adrian
Mellon and Don Haggerty. They're a couple.
They meet at this bar, and shortly after that Adrian is the
victim of I hate crime. He gets beat up really bad by a
group of just awful, terrible, homophobic teenagers and they

(01:03:01):
throw them off a bridge. This event is what sort of spurs
Pennywise's return. Ushers in.
Yeah, Adrian becomes Pennywise'sfirst victim.
It might be in both the novel and the movie.
But in the 80s you mentioned is the movie timeline, because
that's when they're kids in the movies.
Yes, they would have been kids. And then in the 2000s, they're
adults. Correct.

(01:03:23):
So in the 80s, yes. So in the 80s.
Making sure we're in the right time because again, push back
timely, whatever it is right andI'm.
And I'm going to say it very loosely because I don't know
what like 1980 something. These might be characters from
the novel and the movies. I think I saw that in the
movies. I'm not mistaken.
Super OK. I'm not super like I only
watched the movies once because I was like protesting it, but

(01:03:43):
Silas really wanted to watch it.And of course, we.
Did you were protesting it because you love the miniseries
so much? Yes.
OK, just jagging us. You don't have to go further
than that. So we see the Falcon Tavern in
Welcome to Dairy. In its heyday.
Yes, so and this is in the 60s, so before and apparently it's
not doing very well right now. It doesn't start to thrive and

(01:04:05):
become a successful business until the 70s when it welcomes a
different demographic. Different caliber of, I don't
know, yeah, demographics, but I just thought it was.
Nice little nod. I love all these little Nuggets.
Welcome. To dairy.
Stephen King's Universe. Did the bagpipe player, whose
name is Bernie by the way, was that a reference to anything?

(01:04:26):
Not that I know of. It's funny, I look at your face
and I keep, I think to myself, oh, maybe there's something
bigger here because I'm specifically your phrase because
I'm sort of Irish and bagpipes, and we play bagpipes when we're
very, very happy or very, very sad, right?
And so maybe Bernie's very he falls over, he has an incident,
he's probably very sad, if I'm being honest, about these kids

(01:04:48):
dying and he knows something like the parents do.
Maybe I just thought maybe he was drunk.
Actually what I really thought, I wanted to watch it a couple of
times and pay close attention toDick's face when Bernie falls.
I thought maybe Dick made him fall, but I don't think that's
the case. That's right, I forget that
that's what that is too. Dick's got the shine.
Shining, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I forgot what that is. I thought it was just seeing

(01:05:10):
dead people, but apparently it'smore than just that.
I know, I know, I know. No, not at.
All I just said something you forget because.
I don't. I don't think that that is the
case. But it would make sense because
everybody hates bagpipes. I mean, no offense, President,
you know. Not everybody hates bag.
Really, everybody does. Everybody hates bagpipes in a
tiny bar. OK, fair enough.

(01:05:32):
So. Take them outside where they
belong. Exactly.
And then they don't. So a quiet town.
Loud bagpipes, Yeah. I'm going to drop another little
universe nugget in your lap right now.
So before they leave the bar, asthey're leaving the bar, Curti
comes over and kind of gives them the look.
And all right, boys, we got to we got to get out of here now.

(01:05:53):
Dick makes a reference. Something about I know a place
we can go to hang out. If you like moonshine.
Billy Freeman makes moonshine inThe Shining.
Okay, that's a good reference. It's in my lap now.
I'm cradling it like Lily. Maddie Clements the the mutant

(01:06:14):
baby, basically. Yeah, Mutant Baby, which has a
doll face, right? It looks like a baby doll.
Yeah, and then the conjoined twin that's living in it, on its
side, part in face. Who cares?
Yeah. It's terrifying as bat wings,
okay? Yes.
Okay, let's touch on this. So good.

(01:06:37):
Paul Bunyan, like the guys throwing the eggs of the Paul
Bunyan statue or the Billboard saying that he's announcing the
statue of Paul Bunyan and then the protests.
OK, it makes more sense now whenyou have this episode in the
rearview because I didn't understand it at all.
Like what? Why is simply?
It's an I understand. Why they Why are they so against
it? As this episode is in the

(01:06:58):
rearview, it's really all about the town.
There's no sense in having any pride in this town.
This town should not be the pride of anything.
And then hopefully nobody will come here so that they'll get
killed too, because bad things happen in Derry.
Bad gas gets passed in Derry in that Derry air.
I think that's the heart of whatit is.
And the look of disdain also matches what the way people look

(01:07:19):
at Charlotte to is that don't make a ruckus, get along to get
on so that Pennywise doesn't getyou to.
It's going to happen to one of us, doesn't have to happen to
me. And I you know what?
If I look at you really funny and weirdly, Charlotte, maybe it
won't get you to. That doesn't make any sense
though. If people are so concerned about
Pennywise getting them, wouldn'tthey want someone else to make a
ruckus so that they're the target and not them?

(01:07:42):
This is why I'm a little bit more sympathetic because I feel
like my my faith in humanity is a little bit more alive in the
fact that they don't want more people to be attracted to this
town to be killed. It's one thing if it's just us,
but involving other people in this, it's a weird, pure
emotional logic. Because it's one thing if it's
us and it's this little pool of people who are just trying to

(01:08:03):
get by. It's another thing if you're
involving other people into thismess.
It's like, OK, it's one thing ifit's us and I hate all of us and
I hate that we have to do this to each other.
It's me saying I don't believe it.
People are inherently evil again.
Yeah, I don't. Know, I think everybody's evil
in there. Not even that.
First of all, I don't think people care enough to sweat it
over other people. And.

(01:08:23):
Could be. If people knew that where they
were living was evil and that a clown comes out of the sewers
and kidnaps your children, wouldn't you move away?
That is the most interesting part about all of this is the
forgetting. They know at the time it's too
late to do anything about it, and by the time you figure it
out you're either already dead because he's feeding cycles is

(01:08:45):
over, is over, and then you forget and then it happens all
over again to the next generation because it's not you
anymore. Yeah, but do you really think 27
years goes by and nothing terrible happens?
People are still, they're going to die over the next 27 years.
Bad things are still going to happen within those 27 years
that are not attributed to Pennywise.
Bad things happen that is not Pennywise's fault, and that's

(01:09:07):
not going to stop. I often wonder if Pennywise just
never does really stop. He does.
He goes away for 27 years. That's his cycle.
And so you're saying everything else is everybody else?
Really. Yes, Yeah, yeah.
What I said in the last episode I.
Mean, I'm not even blaming people, but just tragedy
happens, accidents happen, people have heart attacks,

(01:09:29):
people get into car accidents, bad things happen and no one's
always to blame for it. So there's a difference between
bad things happening and suspectcircumstances happening or
people being awful to people happening, like violence and and
racism and homophobia, like you said earlier.
And at that point, it's very nebulous whether whether it is

(01:09:50):
Pennywise or not, and whether the people who just passed this
ordeal are recognizing that thiswas Pennywise all along too.
Because whether they know it or not, they know something bad
happened. Like something Cold War esque
level, nuclear fallout level, OK, that happened to our town.
And then we just forget for somereason.
Why do we forget? It's not for me to say.
I'm trying not to judge. I don't know.

(01:10:12):
People do forget trauma and tragedy.
I mean, that's just human nature.
As years go by it lessons and lessons, and the farther away
you get from that time or that event, you remember it
differently. Sometimes you rewrite the memory
in your head and depending on what it is, maybe you downplay
it. You're doing the normal

(01:10:33):
circumstances thing that I was doing earlier.
In normal circumstances, yeah. You rewrite the memory, life
moves on. That's.
Us smelling Pennywise's fart. But with Pennywise's fart, maybe
you can't. He won't let you forget.
He, he makes you forget. No, no, the exact opposite of
what you just said. He makes you forget until 27

(01:10:53):
years later, and then you remember and then you're like,
OK, what do I do now? I know I can't beat this evil,
right? Get along to get on it.
You you have a faint recollection of what happened 27
years ago are. You saying that the adults are
like, hold the clown's back, What are we going to do?
Not necessarily the clown, but it's the Troubles, right?
What the Irish used to call the Troubles.
It's happening again. OK, And what do the Irish do?

(01:11:15):
When the Troubles came, they just weathered the storm.
It's what we do. You more than anybody.
I don't. Want to do about it?
Half you, more than anyone else should know what I'm talking
about. Storms are coming.
What are you going to do about it?
And so if you treat Pennywise like a storm, like these people
are, you would have the same attitude.
You don't want to attract the storm.

(01:11:37):
You don't want to leave a metal rod hanging out of your hand in
the middle of this right? Like Charlotte.
No, I'm boarding up my windows but you still.
Give her the stink. Neighbors like you're going to
do something. Yeah, like, but you still give
her the stink stink eye. You're like Charlotte, go back.
No, don't do it. Also, you're racist, so there's
that too. Yeah.
I was going to say the town likeit's not an issue but the bigger

(01:11:57):
issue that the town folk are having.
It's all an issue. Is that she's an African
American woman in this predominantly white
neighborhood. And she even says like, oh, I, I
stick out here. And she knows it too.
And now not only do you stick out, one, you're, you're a brand
new face. Two, you're an African American.

(01:12:17):
Who are you? Gorgeous, gorgeous.
OK, stop. Yes, woman, first of all, how
does anybody not say this? I know.
And three, now you're causing a ruckus in the middle of the
street. I mean, nobody's going to be
screaming and hollering at thesekids.
Right. Oh, and then, yeah, the boys
will be boys. Thing of the time.
Don't you know any better? What are you doing?

(01:12:38):
That's what they do. The boys beating on each other.
I appreciated that at the beginning of this episode, we
got Lily's POV. Oh yeah, from that scene in the
beginning. Because it was like, wait, we
just got the porticullis view from Ronnie's point of view from
the projector booth, and we see Teddy Yurice's face.
Up on the like a. Cartoon upset me so much, but

(01:12:59):
then you saw from the other sideand it wasn't that much better.
Yeah, it was very interesting seeing that whole scene from
what Lily was seeing. Now I'll say this.
Is there any hope for Phil? I don't know if it's him that we
got he, he, we saw him get torn apart or whatnot.
I don't know, listen, I don't. I feel like, I feel like without
any bodies, there's hope for allof them.

(01:13:19):
Right, so you're saying hope floats?
With no bodies. Down there.
Yeah, maybe. No, I know.
No, not really. No, no, no.
And we we know how this film ends too, as, as if they're
telling us we, you know how thisfilm ends.
We showing you a bloody film strip here.
It's there's no, there's no hope.
Yeah. But it's nice of you to think no
so. Ronnie, Ronnie's terror and

(01:13:40):
Lily's terror, I think we can talk about these at the same
time because there are are a lotof similarities.
Her dad and her dad, right? Parent trauma.
Yeah, they both feel responsiblefor their parents deaths.
Right. But Ronnie is putting that on
Lily, which is what was like edging, no?
No, no, I'm talking about Ronnie's mom.

(01:14:01):
Oh OK sorry yes I but I was eventhinking that she may feel like
she was responsible for her dad.Oh absolutely.
There is no question that she blames Lily for that.
When I said Ronnie and Lily's terror, it meant what Pennywise
is making them see. I have it written in my notes,
and I just read it that way, andI realized it didn't.
Yeah, no, you're right. You're the terror that they see.

(01:14:23):
Let's start with that, then we'll we'll want to hang.
Those are what I wanted to talk about at the same time because
there are so many similarities and very much parallels to each
other with the parental trauma. And they both blame themselves
for that parent's death. One, Ronnie's mom died during
childbirth. All the things that this mother
thing. I love captions so much.

(01:14:44):
Other thing. Oh, is what they say about OK,
well, you have the CC, English CC, the descriptions.
I didn't have the descriptions. You didn't put the captions.
On I did but like there's English and English CC which is
like the descriptive captioning.When it was speaking it would
say mother thing moaning and groaning and yeah making I have
the description. Captioning.

(01:15:04):
No. There's two types of captioning.
The ones with the descript, the worded descriptions and the ones
with just the dialogue. You have the ones that see.
That's nice. That's cool.
Yeah. They could call it Mother thing,
the thing that. I.
Was saying were awful, Yeah, awful that scene was.

(01:15:25):
Do you know what went through mymind when I watched the second
time around was that when you'rea kid, if that were to happen to
you, you're not meant to feel responsible for your mom's
death. No, but.
It made me think that somebody said that she was and my mind
immediately went to the grandma because she did not care about
Ronnie's sleep schedule, whatnot.

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When grandma and dad were fighting, she just wanted to
keep arguing with Hank about stuff.
And it made me wonder like if somebody, somebody had somebody
somewhere, maybe even somebody from Derry.
Entirely possible, right? You killed your mom.
Did you hear what happened? What, what you did to your mom
or whatnot? Like and they make a story about
it and then that's the story that she sees visualized.

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I suppose it's possible. Not something that went through
my head. I think just knowing that my mom
died during childbirth while having me would be enough for me
to be like oh gosh, I I killed my mom.
Like I would feel just feel thatway without anyone having to say
it. But.
I don't disagree with that, but there's the degree to which she

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feels the guilt of that. That's the thing that we like.
Somebody had to say that. Here's the reality of it.
She might not have a tremendous amount of guilt.
It might just be something that's lingering in her head.
But because it's there, Pennywise is feeding off of it,
and he's exaggerating it. And because what does the mother
thing say? You're seeing this basically

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because you're getting your dad,you're going to kill your mom,
and you're going to kill your dad.
Exactly. Yeah.
Because it's not going to, even though it's.
Not no, even though it's not Ronnie's fault at all.
Because, like, what happens to men who kill kids in jail?
Oh, to start. They're not surviving, right?
Not surviving, right? It just gets you thinking
though. Anyway, yeah.
Absolutely. Lily also feels responsible for

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her dad's death because he went into the plant.
The jarring. Factory.
OK, he went back into the factory because she forgot
something, which ultimately. Led to him seeing a staff member
who was having trouble and then he went in after that staff
member and then the thing happened and then he got Jarred.
I don't think he really got Jarred.

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It's what they said the kid saidabout it.
But they said they were, that there were like pieces of him
all over. I don't know that that was even
true, but just the fact that. Yes, I do.
It's what? People said.
This just popped into my head. There was one of King's short
stories about a man eating machine.
It was not a pickling machine, it was a laundry pressing

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machine. This sounds very familiar.
So like maybe another tiny little nugget.
Right, right. Maybe a?
Little bit the tiniest little string.
I don't know which was worse in terms of disgusting dustingness.
I think I was more grossed out by Pickle Octodad than I was the

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mother thing. The mother thing really only
creeped me out when it when it like stood up and then like very
quickly like came running at. Her Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It like stood above and I was like.
And then it shouted at her, Yeah.
Yeah, and then it yeah, and thenit screamed in her face.
But the Octodad was just disgusting from beginning to

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end. When he's in the jar and he like
sticks his tongue out. Yeah, I was.
Like, oh, it's so great. Well it has that like Alvin
Marsh ask thing to it too. Like never give give her daddy a
kiss. Daddy a kiss.
Yeah, Yeah, it was really gross.And then the intestines when all
the pickle. Oh oh.

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Oh, Oh well, it just connects you to the lollipop thing in the
title sequence too. Yeah, a little bit.
Also when Bevy is wow Lily is surrounded by the shelving units
and all the Pickles come in towards her.
It reminded me of the scene in the miniseries where Eddie's in

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the showers and all the shower heads start coming in and and
close him. Nicely done.
A little similar feel. There closing in well and even
like leading up to that scene all the little shelves lining up
behind the aisles and then. Oh, the creepy guy.
Like doing the little dance up the aisle behind her.
That was so. Gross.

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And the creepy guys like sticking their head out and come
back in, you know, like. A few people.
Mostly guys had. Like the weird smile I.
Think it was all guys maybe? There was a few women.
Even by the way, I may be barking up the wrong tree, but
like you could tell something was already wrong by how narrow
the aisles were when she was going down with the cart.
The first aisle that she was going down, it was so narrow

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already, so that just every subsequent scene.
Even though the odds would they probably had to be wind a little
bit to kind of make it feel like, OK, everything seemed very
big at all of a sudden. And then all of a sudden things
started getting smaller, small and small until you got to that
scene. It's the town, man.
I don't know, man. I know what it is about the
town. On the one hand, I'm not
convinced. I do feel a little bit more
sympathetic about the town, but on the other hand, I feel like

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is the town just Pennywise? Is there's a deal made with the
devil made way in advance and they're all subject to his whims
to save for a handful that may like are his playthings
effectively a handful? I mean like, but the our
protagonists who end up falling every single time, like the ones
he really wants to play with andextract the fear from because

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everybody else seems to get along with it.
Get along to get on with Pennywise quote UN quote.
Because they don't know what's Pennywise, probably.
Or they're just the lucky ones. It might not have anything to do
with a deal. It might just be.
And even lucky is in quotes. Right, he didn't get me this
time. Right, because even though they
didn't get them. Sure, I had a question, I wanted
to run by you. So Lily turns the corner and she

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sees the boxes of frosted farts or whatever and it's got the
kids on. I had to, right?
Right at that final. Hour, right?
And I had the kids on it, right?So Maddie and Susie and then
Phil and Teddy on the bottom one.
Susie and Teddy are the only ones that we see rotting away.
Maddie and Phil are not. I didn't see Phil Rod away.

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He didn't. He didn't, right?
No, Teddy and Susie rotted away on their box, so OK, so the top
shelf is a box of. Maddie though the next because I
think Maddie I saw rot not. No, he didn't.
He didn't. OK, again, I didn't take notes
when it came to this SO. Yeah, so Maddie on the top
shelf, and then the next row is Susie on her own box, and then
the third row is a box of Phil and Teddy.

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So frosted. Phil.
And Teddy Frosted. Yeah.
Teddy and Phil are on the same box together.
It starts the top. We see Maddie comes down to
Susie. Susie's starting to rot away.
Then it pans down to Teddy, Philand Teddy.
Teddy rots away, but Phil doesn't.
So Maddie and Phil don't rot. Which is the basis of our
thought that, oh, did it get Phil?
You're thinking in your head. That's what.
Like, why is there a reason thatthose two weren't rotted away?

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I'm. More interested in the Phil
part, but Maddie is also interesting considering he has
the pacifier, quote UN quote. I mean, if you could pacify
yourself and then re terrify this kid all over again, Susie,
she she bit it, she got her arm taken off.
She's she's done, it's over. She bled out, whatever.
We know that. But Phil is interesting because
Phil was the one who's most resistant to all the crazy talk

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until he wasn't until he cried too, right?
It's on the line penny wise, like, oh, this guy's delicious.
I can keep scaring him until he,like, actually believes.
I can make him forget and then scare him all over again in my
little deadline. Something I noticed I wanted to
know your take on. There was another blog on the
pyre about is Phil still alive? Is he the Nacho of this story
that we wish was Nacho in that story, right?

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Nacho in the Call Saul last final season, right?
From the first episode was it orthe second one?
I think it was the second. What was it?
The first one of that last season first episode.
Oh, I couldn't tell you what episode it was.
Sharon D Could. One of the two.
I don't remember what episode itwas.
It was the worst one. The worst episode.
Oh, no, it was probably the second one.

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But anyway, I don't know. It was a very long episode, let
me put it that way. So no, good question.
And I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately.
Wish we could fight about it more, but we're more than the
same page. We're not usually completely on
the same page, but this episode,except for like, maybe the town
and people's intentions, yeah. No, I'm not.
I'm. But that's murky.
I'm surprised that myself is what I'm trying to tell you.

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I'm super surprised that I I'm more forgiving.
I like that you're you're opening your mind and you're
willing to at least explore other options.
Well, I was very judgmental and I felt bad.
Like I kept thinking, what wouldI have done in this situation?
It's that age-old question. Would you have gone along with
the Nazis? Would you have?

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And like, yeah, you would have probably, you would have been
dairy. If it came down to saving your
life. And your family, I think most of
us. Yeah, and your family and well,
OK, yes, that's a better point. My life, I'd probably be like,
no, but if it came to my family,Silas, my loved ones, then yes,
now we're talking. I would do almost anything.
And let's say you did say something right?

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You're the Charlotte and everybody's looking at you and
what good did you do? I don't know.
I it's tough, yeah. Because you're not ending racism
or Nazism, you know, He's like without help, not without the
losers club going back to that. True.
I felt like that was part of thereason why he wrote this story
and lore and whatnot, why it wasso long.

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It's the answer to why people didn't say anything or felt like
they couldn't say anything, evenpeople of good conscience in
Derry, but also in Nazi Germany.It's the mixture of that whole
small town attitude, attitude. Crazy stuff happens in a small
town. Yeah, everybody's just turning
the other way. They're like, it's not my kid.
But then there's like the biggermicrocosm of, OK, well, what

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would it take for somebody of good conscience to actually say
something? And if you do, what happens?
Dairy Pennywise. If you do say something.
Yeah, bad things happen to good people who speak up, who don't
get along to get on. Generally speaking, you think it
turns out to be the hero's journey, but it ends up being
the hero's end. OK, you know what I mean?
No, it it doesn't always happen the way it does in the books is

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and that's dairy in a nutshell. People have spoken up and then
they get killed. Do they?
Up until like how? How many years is?
Where is that evident in dairy? How many generations has
Pennywise been able to persist? At least 100 years, if not more
125. Maybe, yeah, maybe something
like that. That's many generations of a a
town that's been conditioned to fear something or forget and

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fear something over the course of a century plus.
See, again though, I think Pennywise comes back every 27
years, but people aren't like, oh gosh, here comes that wave of
stuff again because bad things are always happening.
I see what you're saying. Do you think children only go
missing every 27 years in dairy?Because I don't.
No, but I think the frequency under which it occurs and maybe

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you're right, maybe it happens like in little bits here and
there so that when it happens inbigger bits later on, people are
like, Oh yeah, well, we're we'llweather that storm of the kids
going missing for some reason that we will never find out
except when we planted on somebody who's black or gay,
basically. See, I've been thinking about
this lately in life too. I recently last night saw this
band called Lawrence, which you may have heard of, you may not

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have. They're getting a lot bigger and
their music is super cool in which I don't really care about
music much these days anyway, but their music is super cool.
They're super young too, and they have such a diverse this
crowd, but their music is very uplifting.
Even though they say things likethis ish ain't never going to
change, but like I'll keep doingwhat I do, you know, like, OK,
it may never change, but I'll still try.

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When I listen to their music, I keep thinking this phrase, you
know, instead of pointing to what ails you, be the antidote.
You can spend all day pointing out what's wrong with everything
and everybody, why this is a problem, why that's a problem.
Instead of doing that, maybe just what's the solution?
What's the antidote? What can we take from this?
Where can we go knowing that? What can we do about it?
So that phrase keeps popping up in my head.

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What would it take to be the antidote to this town?
What's the solution instead of pointing out the problems?
OK, but that is the time frame that these people live in.
You don't shine a light on what's wrong, correct?
You ignore it, you bury it, and you move on.
And this has nothing to do with Pennywise.
This is the era in which these people live.
The boys will be boys. It's all about what things look
like, not how they are. Right.

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Well, who said that last episodea lot, This idiot.
I made a note here and I wish I would have written down some
examples to bring up, but I think you're going to agree with
me anyway. The scene transitions, yeah,
have been phenomenal. The throwing up and then

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throwing up and then it goes to the squirting of the mashed
potatoes into Lily bandridges. Lunch.
Try. When Dick and his buddies are
walking back onto the air base and the camera pans over the
cracks in the concrete, which then transition into the rivers
at the dig site. Yeah, yeah.
Nice. Oh my gosh, just some tremendous

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transition. And it doesn't hurt that even
them doing that, they get to thebase because of his secret
project. And then we see the secret
project in the rivulet streams. Oh, yeah.
OK. So everyone in the streets is
looking at Charlotte for intervening with the bully
fight, even Stan Kirsch, StanleyCleaver Hirsch, which
transitions to Charlotte with Leroy and little Will in the

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next scene talking about her incident, et cetera, et cetera.
It's smart. It's kind of extemporaneous.
It's like a dream that one thought leads to the other
thought immediately afterwards, like on the base, it leads to
their actual site for the secretproject, et cetera.
And even wait. So here's another one.
Leroy can't talk about his day with Charlotte either, which
makes matters worse. What's eating at you?
What's the thing that's bothering you?
Can't talk about it. Yep.

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Like usual transitions into the Grogan family where grandma is
complaining about the police. Can't talk about it, can't do
anything about it. Same old S great transitions,
themes that were like like tie together very closely.
Oh, and of course the reason whyRonnie is seeing many wise is
because of this fighting too hergrandma and right and it's

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causing her distress. It's like I'm already going
through this thing I. Mean It started with the kids
being torn up at the theater. Now grandma and dad are
fighting. She hears dad say they're going
to pin this on me. Now she feels responsible
because she took the kids to thetheater.
And nobody has time to actually think about what Ronnie went
through too. I don't blame the family, but

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like and like you said, it's a product of the time too.
Hank is thinking about Ronnie. Sure.
You know he pulled her out of school.
He's making sure she's safe. And the grandma is not about
that too. I mean, you find yourself
agreeing with her, but a little bit like.
School grandma, like she's goingback to school and she's going
to hold her head high. She's got nothing to be ashamed
of, which you could see her point of view, but at the same

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time it's like. And again, it's different
antidotes to the same problem, right.
Hank is has his one way his new the way.
Let's give her some time to process.
Process. That's oh, gross.
And grandma's like. Grandma's like rub some dirt on.
It yeah, exactly. Rub some dirt.
Exactly. In the last episode we had
similar things, but like, it wasway more prominent in this one,

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especially with the themes. There was a thing that sort of
bugged me. It's really dumb when Will asked
to excuse himself. This is exciting because you and
I have not complained about one thing in this episode yet.
I, I already explained it away, but OK, Will asks to excuse
himself from the table. Will Hamlin, because they're
fighting. Obviously the parents are
fighting. And he's like, oh, not again.

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We're not fighting. Well, and also he was bullied
today and I don't think he was talking.
He doesn't want to be caught talking about his bullying or
what Too correct, You know, because it's Charlotte.
You could see, first of all, she's a beautiful woman and I
would tell her the truth always.I could not.
I hide the truth from Charlotte.I'm sorry.
I know, Taylor Page. That would be like, yeah, I do
like you. We're all just made of Stardust,

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Charlotte. Yeah, we're all covered in
Stardust. Especially you.
But anyway, I'm blushing right now.
I think, baby, you never know. It's that.
He walked away from the table. He clanked his fork and he
walked away. And I remember when I was a kid
in the 80s, you would clean up your plate.

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And the only reason why I know this is because I'm looking at
my niece and nephew. And they were just here today.
We celebrated my mother in law'sbirthday in our place, which is
why, you know, it was tough for me to come here.
They finish eating food and thenthey just walk away.
Like, just like, like I'm going to do this intentionally.
They're like, like, I don't wantthis and all that stuff, but

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that. Who cares about that get?
Up and leave. When I was a kid and I'm the
oldest too so it goes without saying I was strict with this
but like I was told to clear my plate.
OK you finish you scrape it but in the sink that's the least you
need to do. Obviously we in the 80s still
had chores to do like cleaning dishes, whatnot making we had.
To wash our dish. Cleaning.

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Yeah, exactly. But this kid in the 60s in a
small family, you best believe you're scraping that plate.
You ain't going straight up to your room.
It bothered me. But then I did the math a little
bit about this family and like what they might be going
through. And they talked about
Shreveport. What happened to Shreveport?
She obviously protested. She obviously sat on the white
side of the whites versus colored drinking fountains,

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buses, whatnot. The segregation that was going
on in the South and in the 60s, right around the civil rights
era, too. We're 62, three years away or
from civil rights legislation. And again, it's like the
lobotomy thing too is you're like, you're three years away
from possible change in culturalattitude over time and you're
going to get the butt of the racist and the stick in Derry of

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all places, instead of Louisiana.
I mean, the birth place of civilrights, but still.
But it was where it was the worst of it was happening,
especially with the segregation in schools.
I say all this only because, like, OK, they're going through
a lot. The kid had a rough day at
school. Leroy Hanlon had a tough day at
the base. And even Charlotte with the
bling boys, she obviously felt she had to say something about
it. So like, that's the least thing

(01:33:23):
on their mind right now. So I explained it away with
that. But it was like, even if that
stuff was happening, you'd play buddy, that's all.
See. And look at Silas right now.
It's busting to hear like, I don't want your dinner.
And I'm like, that was right on cue.
Wasn't I staying in now? Oh, he's putting his dish away.
Okay. His Mama raised him.
Right now she's looking at him lovely lovingly.

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It's like, yeah, I taught him well.
Well, not that well. He didn't wash it.
But you didn't really emphasize it, did you?
He did at least get it in the sink.
He'll wash it before he goes to sleep tonight, though.
For real? Really.
Wow. OK.
And if he doesn't, he knows I'm waking out him up at 4:00 AM to
wash it then. Get out.

(01:34:04):
That's amazing. And I love that for him.
But I love it from a distance. That's why, Yeah.
I wouldn't have figured Bowers to be such a tool for Pennywise,
though, I'm saying, like, more of, like an intelligent tool,
right? The way he was playing mind
games with Lily. But as I'm remembering this
offhand, like, I didn't take notes on this because I didn't
have a chance to. But he says something to the
effect of all I got to get you to say is can you be 100% sure

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he wasn't there? Yeah, that's pretty much what he
says. He said.
I'm going to ask you again, but I'm going to rephrase it.
I'm not going to ask you if he was there, but can you tell me
for sure that he wasn't? Which it goes to show this is
what gets me about why I'm convinced that when good people
try to stand up to the things that are obviously staying

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staring at the face. I don't think he obviously likes
the racism, but he also doesn't like it that the town would be
against him. The whole town, Forget about a
monster gold Pennywise let's say.
Forget about that possibility. But when you have the whole town
again, so you know what a mob iscapable of.
Well, not even that. He's not scared for his life.
He's scared that he's not going to get reelected.
Maybe, but I think there's. No, the Councilman.

(01:35:10):
Sure, sure. But I think there's also
something in the fact, somethingthat we talked about when it
came to Game of Thrones, is thatyou could be called the king,
you could be called the Chief Police.
But you're not. If you can't get the town to
rally behind you, the seat of your power lies behind the town.
And he makes a very good point. The town is going to start doing
funny things and start thinking things and they're going to take
action into their own hands if the chief can't point the finger

(01:35:32):
at somebody. Right.
They're encouraged to instead ofpointing out the problem, like I
said, be the antidote. But like he is choosing to point
a finger at the problem, like making it go away because that's
what the people want. They want to put an excuse for
all the bad things that happen periodically and then make it go
away because it ends up going away anyway, right?
Nobody's standing up and going, oh, it's the, it's the clown
again. Has to be one of us doing this,

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right? We could talk about the song
choices this episode, but I don't really want to because
it's already 8:45 and I'm tired and I want to go to bed.
Yeah, but I did write down all the songs.
Why do fools fall in love? Essentially, it's essentially
boils down to you. Like why do anything?
Why love if it ends? Yep, Sam Cooke, you send me.
Yep, you excite me. A summer place.

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Taylor Page. Charlotte's Theme.
When she's in town, right? Yeah, yeah, when she's Mosey in
downtown, of course mashed potatoes are playing.
Well done. Levy's making his announcement
about the mashed potatoes. Right.
And something green. And something green.
I love that. I love that little tidbit.
Perfect gave us an amazing cliffhanger.

(01:36:36):
Or maybe we should touch on thatsuper quick.
There's like you're the only onethat can handle the weapon
cliffhanger. Yes, but then he goes out to the
site and they see what they found.
That's right. The Model T, it was a car.
Yeah, it was like a Model T witha bunch of bodies.
It was covered in mud and filth.There were several dead bodies
in that car. Could it be the Gary Gang?
What was Bradley? Gang The Bradley gang The

(01:36:58):
Bradley gang. Gary Gary land where Rob is
right now. Maybe so.
Shaw talks about the thing and then it's surrounded by these
beacons. Right, Tipping in the dark.
This car is one of the beacons, right?
It's not the thing, obviously. Yeah, well, they they made it
seem as though the car indicatesthat they're close.
Absolutely, because it could be one of these beacons, right?

(01:37:21):
Well, I felt like the four beacons were at the I don't
know, this is impressions, right?
Like in the corners of the town maybe and then and if you cross
reference all the beacons, that's the center of it is where
The thing is I. Don't think so, because I think
Hellerin's taking them to a specific place.
I assume that place would be where these beacons are coming

(01:37:42):
from. Probably, yeah, I'm not sure,
but we saw that was. Just kind of my yeah, crazy, but
obviously they're getting close,I mean.
Bradley Gang, not the Gary Land Gang.
Right, The Bradley gang maybe. Shaw also mentions that this
thing, this weapon could scare aman to death in his tracks,
right? And then we see this car full of

(01:38:03):
dead bodies. So it leads me to believe these
guys died from fear, Right, Right, right.
Whatever it was, it looked terrific.
It was underground. Why is it underground too?
Why was it thrown in a swamp? I guess Did somebody have to
cover it up? I don't know, did there used to

(01:38:23):
be a lake there and it got muddied over and, I don't know,
filled in? Yeah, I, I can't really say
which is great. That's fine.
I know this these are the questions we should be asking at
the end of an episode and I loveit.
Great job. Does it concern you that maybe
they're writing checks that they're they can't possibly cash
each episode? Because it seems like each
episode gets more and more fraught.

(01:38:46):
Even the first episode, it made you care about something, it
ripped it away from you. Fine at the end, but then then
this episode is like, okay, a bunch of scary things are
happening like 2 we got two big scares in this one and then like
the third, like what's happeninghere?
You know, Bridget had asked a question in the episode.
I feel like the whole thing is going to revolve around the
kids, but what are the adults doing?
And there it was like the mutantbaby and like, maybe General

(01:39:08):
shot his whole thing is about the Cold War.
But wouldn't it be interesting to have that be the front, the
facade that I was talking about in the last episode, that maybe
he's trying to find what's causing the problems in Derry?
That, to me seems exciting. OK, I like where I like where
you're going. I thought I'm going to dogpile
for a second. What if Shaw knows about

(01:39:28):
Pennywise? That's sort of what I'm saying,
yes. Yeah, OK.
Even if he doesn't know Pennywise, he knows that
whatever it is operates on fear,the thing in the dark.
Well, and one thing we know about Pennywise is that he's a
shapeshifter. Perhaps Pennywise has presented
himself to Shaw as something else.
So Shaw knows that this evil, that this thing, he's not going

(01:39:49):
to call it a machine, but he does call it a weapon.
Perhaps he's trying to contain and weaponize Pennywise.
Weaponize Pennywise slogan. Spray paint on my on my episode
art, right, right. Yeah, that's sort of where I was
going. And you know, you're saying
weaponize. That's not where I was going
initially, but. What if he could?

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What if Leroy could handle the evil?
What if there was a way to weaponize Pennywise against our
enemies? We're at the beginning of this
Cold War. If he could somehow make our
enemies attack and kill each other through these visions and
these, this terror that Pennywise can cause, then yeah,
the Cold War would be over before it started.

(01:40:31):
What is the expression? Something all the things that
mice and men often go awry. Oh yeah, and again, right.
You forget the first episode. We know how this story goes.
Well, obviously, I'm just saying, I'm not saying that it's
going to work, right? Maybe that's what Shaw's whole
secret, exactly is all about. One way or the other, either
it's him trying to handle or contain the evil, or it's him

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weaponizing it, right? Weaponized Pennywise.
But then I thought, I thought another thing, and it was wild
thinking of this exciting thing that like, I know should know
better, that I shouldn't feel this way.
Maybe Leroy can't feel fear or another word for what Leroy's
condition could be is psychopathy, right when you
don't know how to be in a situation, but you know how to

(01:41:15):
imitate. Maybe it's is that sociopathy or
psychopathy when you don't know how to feel empathy and you
don't know well. There's a well, there's a
difference between not being able to feel it and like,
ignoring it, you know? But you just don't.
Yeah, sociopathy is knowing but not seeing it.
But psychopathy is like really not having the wherewithal.
Correct. Of like morality and whatnot.
Being a psycho you do not feel. You don't want to feel that way

(01:41:38):
about Leroy because he seems like a good enough guy, you
know? But on the surface of things.
Well, that's why they mentioned the damaged amygdala.
He has suffered damage to the part of your brain that controls
your emotions and your fear response.
Yeah. At least your fear response.
But I was thinking worse. Like, what if you What if you
really were psychopathic? You're saying like even before

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his injury or because of the. Injury.
He's now a psycho, OK? Cuz like what if it's not just
that is what I'm saying. Cuz it's 64 man.
They don't know everything aboutthe brain.
Sure, I see where you're going with that, but here's why I
don't like it. I don't like it at all.
I hate myself. Is very clearly one of our
heroes. Yeah, obviously he's written

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that way, so he can't be a psychopath.
Dave obviously I want my good guy to be good and let my guy to
my mind exactly. I don't want my my expectations
to be subverted. We can have some Gray characters
in there, but Leroy's not one ofthem.
He's our good guy. Well, and I wonder who they
think. Shaw could be a Gray character.
He could be in the Gray. Yeah, I'm, I never, I never
really truly know what this is about, what he's trying to do.

(01:42:43):
But no, Leroy is a good guy. And our kids, our kids are good
guys. Even the bad kids are still good
kids because they're because they're kids and.
They don't know. Psychopaths.
Yeah, yeah. And they don't know any better.
No, they don't. They don't know how worse it can
get. How about that?
Teenagers are psychopaths. And they're very close to being
teenagers. They're in junior high school.
Yes, like the worst on earth, the worst junior high.

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Oh kids in junior high, the worst demons to walk this earth.
Take your word for it because I know it does get worse.
It can't get worse before it gets better.
They are all legitimately psychopaths.
They think about nothing with themselves.
Yeah, it starts that way. We grow out of it.
Some of us, most of us grow out of it.
I think there should be an Akronism for teen right?
Terrible. Egotistical.

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