The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |3x02 "La Ofrenda"

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What is that? My son off in the distance
crying I think. Yeah, that's the trick, right?
Because we can hear it better than you can right now.
Because this is noise cancelling, yeah.
Hold on, go ahead, go ahead. Deal with that good timing deal.
With deal with that, David says.Yeah, yeah.

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Apparently the silent majority of people who just ran away
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So I gave it serious thought. Let's bring it back.
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We have to. We have to have a discussion on

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our core channel. Are we gonna?
Do it, do it like they do on TV and we get like 2F bombs per
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I'm not collectively sorry. Individually each get 2F bombs
per season. Wow, she she automatically
assumed I'd be tired about it. You only get we only get one of
these whoever takes it for drop.It immediately like we are
effing squawking that see I evensaid effing.
But I'm going to get beeping. I'm going to beep it out so it's
funnier. It is funnier when it gets

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beeped by the way it is. It's even funnier when you and
it's not a swear word. I just want to say that they
picked a particularly odd place to use their F bomb in this
episode. Yeah, this food is.
Yeah, delicious. I mean, I guess he wanted to
emphasize how really good the food was.
They had to use their F bomb forthat one scene.
They just want to give Daryl more F bombs this season than

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they have because he did what, one or two in the last episode
as well? It was probably just Norman
eating the food and then they were like, we're keeping it in
and. They said we need a little more
Daryl, OK? Like.
Also, this food is great. FFF.
Meanwhile, he asked him the question.
You've seen that we have a thriving community back home.

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Federico is saying this. The mayor.
We're interested in knowing how you guys do it.
And all he has to say is, Oh no.But this food's effing
delicious. That's a great insight, Daryl.
That's all you got to say. About does not concern himself
with himself, with the workings of of the Commonwealth like he

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lives out in the woods by himself.
You want to build a cabin? He's your man that's.
Another thing, you know what I've been seeing a lot more
lately? The people who are still loving
these shows, these spin offs andstuff like that, you know,
posting little edits. I mean, not little.
They're pretty great edits. And I've been reposting them on
our TikTok channel. And then you see the comments.
They're like, I can't believe Daryl's dicking room and then

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not going to his family. But like, did you forget?
Did you forget that for six whole years he was looking for
Rick's body or Rick? OK, So stop, stop.
You're lucky. It probably won't be 6 years
before he returns in real time. We hope from this thing, maybe.
Who knows? Well, I mean they only got one

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more season. I don't think they'll do a time
skip thankfully. If Isabel hadn't died and Carol
hadn't shown up with an airplane, would he even have
left? Because he seemed like he was
making a life right there where he was like today, where you can
just jump on a boat or a plane and get home real quick.
It's dangerous, as we've seen. We all agree.
I think Isabel would have passedanyway.
Would Laurent have made it without Carol?

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Is the whole other question right?
It's like something like Aaron used to say all the time, Aaron
from The Walking Dead. What happened would have
happened regardless. It's like, what do you do now
after this? Perfectly good wisdom.
OK, what happened would have happened, so let's move on.
But also it's a good way of excusing yourself from feeling
grief, which is terrible. I just watched the episode where

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Jesus died today and that's whathe says about Jesus dying.
The first time, Yep. I don't know if he said this
also after he lost his arm. Oh wait, sorry I missed that.
What did you say? I said.
The first time and I said well Jesus only.
Died once, so every day in my favorite makes faces.

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For a little bit you meant the first.
Time. Aaron says it, that's what.
I meant yes. I know, but I love the chance to
make you look dumb so. I don't enjoy making you feel
dumb. Yes, you.
Do no I don't. You.
Don't have to make me feel dumb,I just am dumb I.

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Enjoy the prospect of making thefunny.
Yeah, I don't enjoy. And then I I'm like, no, poor
Rachel. I'm so sorry.
Like in Italian, for some reason.
I don't know, we're talking about Jesus.
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That would be super cool. So that's being worked on.
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Once it is, I've uploaded the refresh designs that I just
spoke about as well as The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon art
design that the only one that wehave currently, which is a Carol
leading Daryl with a rope, a Walker Daryl in the desert and
it says hope is lost in French. Rachel's giving me a look right

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now. Why are you doing this to my
Daryl and Carol? I don't like it.
Well, that's why we did it, at least.
It's not the other way around, touché.
I appreciate your silver lining.In Saturn news, our friend Julie
Brown passed. She was the owner and operator
of Georgia Tour Company, which not only acted as a Tour
Company, but she had a lot of merch and stuff like that from

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The Walking Dead and beyond belonging to all the tours that
she ran. We interviewed her about 3 years
ago during that years the camp during Memorial Day weekend and
for those three years since thenshe had been battling a hard
fought battle against cancer. And you know she passed.
Let me read what the Georgia Tour Company account wrote about
Julie. It'll explain everything.

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We're heartbroken to share that our beloved friend Julie gained
her Angel wings yesterday afternoon after a three-year
battle with cancer. She fought with positivity and
courage, but her past several months were filled with
excruciating pain. For that, we are grateful that
she's no longer in pain from founding the Georgia Mercantile
in 2013. Originally called.
If you see our interview, she'llexplain that that was the
original name to rolling with the changes in the town of Sonoi

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and offering film tours for 11 years.
Julie was an astute businesswoman who loved
interacting with The Walking Dead fans who came from around
the world. Many friendships have formed
with fan friends over the years and we know many will be very
saddened by this news. With Julie's passing, her
website will close. It will no longer be offering
tours. We're so thankful for those who
have toured with us over the years.
Some multiple times. We do plan to keep this page

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active, this Instagram account at the very least.
And she does. They do have a Facebook page, if
I'm not mistaken. Hug your loved ones close and
please keep Julie's family in your thoughts and prayers.
This was five days ago, actually, sometime between our
last recording in this one. We're recording on Monday,
September 15th. Yeah, she's amazing.
She she was so sweet when Bridget was interviewing her and

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you can tell this is right around the time where things are
starting to get a little rough with both of them.
Atlanta, what is it called? Peachtree tours?
What was the the, the person whoran the fun film ATL account?
Was it Atlanta Tour Company, something like that.
They had already closed their page down.
They had already stopped giving tours.
The only thing left was like water tower tours run by Stephen
and Monica sweet at the time. And she was hanging in there and

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till obviously now. And she obviously gave up the
story to the two cosplayer folkswho ran it for a little while.
Something crazy. Oh.
Dang, that's crazy. Dang.
That's crazy. They had that, they maintain
that sort of, they had some of her for for a little while and
then they took it all over and then they relinquished it as
well. Yeah.
And then she was just running the Tour Company from, I think,
from her home at that point. You should meet people in a spot

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and give them the tours and stuff like that.
Rest in peace, Julie. Your watch is over.
And I'm glad she's not in pain anymore.
If any other news, like any other Gofundmes or anything,
come up for Julie herself or anything relating to her
passing, I'll be sure to pass italong and we'll make mention of
it on social media and also the next episode.

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And I'll see if there's anythingelse you can do for her and her
loved ones. Andrew Lincoln is in a new TV
show called Coldwater on ITV andRobert Kirkman just signed on to
do a Transformers comic. Oh, that was a long time ago.
They. Just announced it in 2025.
Wasn't Skybound doing a Transformer comic for a while
now? Like they've been promoting it
for the last year I. Feel like I've heard that but I

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don't remember in. June 2025 it was announced he
would be writing a new comic forthe Skybound Transformers title.
OK. Yeah, yeah, they have been doing
a Transformers comic for the last year or so, but I guess
there's a different. Offshoot, yeah.
Exactly that makes sense, especially.
In the Andrew Lincoln being in anew very.
Interested in that show? Well, he also did theater very
recently, and I forget, I forgetexactly.

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Do you remember what that was? Rob I.
Don't remember the title of the show, it was something I've
never heard of before. I just saw a bunch of clips on
TikTok of like people showing him during his bows and stuff
like that. Right, I remember.
It was in a round too. It was like in a.
Circular. Theater.
I saw a clip where it was him and someone else and it was
literally they were pouring water on them like it was
raining like it was a scene. So during his bows he's just

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soaking wet and almost like in his underpants and just like
taking his bows. Apropos.
Rick Grimes in his underwear so.Everyone wants to see it.
Exactly. This is the the money you paid
for, folks. Because he was doing that show,
I met someone who was actually able to get to the stage door
and get signatures from him, andthat's how I got I've seen some.
Photos, yeah. That's how I got that guy.

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So cool. Yeah, you have a picture of that
on your I? Definitely did a video with it
on TikTok and then I posted it to Facebook.
Probably, but right, I don't know.
That was the one with. Takerson, I think, if I'm not
mistaken, yes, the title of thisepisode is La Ofrenda.
And since Bridget is here, I cannow proudly say Spain Spanish
words the right way and I learned why.

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And when you pronounce the TH sound in Spanish, it's very
interesting actually. But yes, La Ofrenda, which means
the offering. How does this title relate to
this episode? Offering of one of the daughters
from the village to the king. The AL Qatar.
I'm dead with Spanish so excuse me if I don't try to pronounce
any of it. It does effectively mean the

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ruler. Spain still have a monarchy, Are
they like France and they got rid of their monarchy?
Because I don't feel like I heara lot of stuff about the King of
Spain in the media or anything Ifeel.
Like it's a president it. Is a constitutional monarchy.
Yep, he just found out too. So it is a lot like England.
Well, and OK, I had written thisin my notes, but it feels like

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considering that Britain was a parliamentary monarchy, there
are similarities. There's twinning going on
between Spain and England. If and if they mentioned it in
this episode too. It wasn't a throwaway thing.
That last episode we met the last man standing, quote UN
quote. Remember who said that to Daryl
in England and now he's gone too?

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Is that to say it might happen to Spain too?
Because they too, like Feta saidabout Spain, brother against
brother, people started turning on each other?
Is that to say, well, if you don't wise up, if you, if you
don't stand for yourselves, thatcould happen to you too?
I mean, we're saying this. We're asking that question, not
the show. I like that historically Spain

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and England are enemies and whenthey said that there was nobody
left in England they were like oh how sad.
But in reality they're probably like ha ha because England and
Spain have battled each other upuntil recent times.
Less than 200 years ago they were mortal enemies and would
attack each other on the seas and everything, so they were

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like we. Win, we win.
I said Spain and England. I didn't say America.
No, but just like perspective, right?
You're thinking, wait, we're barely 250 years old.
Wait a minute. But I see your point and I'll
raise you. I think when most people here,

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they couldn't hack it, all of them died.
They'll be like, not us, not us.We're too proud.
We're we're too cool for school,right?
I don't think it's like a jab atEngland more than it's like, oh,
that's because it's them. They're not us.
And I think you kind of always have to say that about oneself.
Yeah. Not us, because you have to fake
it till you make it, at the veryleast.
I don't think it's more of a schadenfreude, I think.

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But it's funny to think about from our the comfort of our own
squeaky couches. Right, Rachel?
I think the guy at the end that was hanging off of a wall, Daryl
cut his hand and made him drop. I feel like he was the
sacrifice. He was an offering to the
walkers. Oh, very nice.
I applaud this wholeheartedly. He took out his sacrificial

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knife. It looked kind of the dagger
did. Did it have like wobbly edges in
my I? Didn't catch it.
I didn't know. I remember.
When he first pulled it out of the rack or whatever, a rack of
weapons, the dagger looked triangular, right?
Like straight up, obviously likean isosceles triangle.
And it had like a warped, like aWAVY edge on each side.

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That was not unintentional. And then the other weapon look
kind of looked like remember theweapons that what's his name
Nico Tordorella's character in The Walking Dead world beyond
the thing with this the blade atthe end.
OK. Yeah, yeah, it kind.
Of looked like that, like a. Stick with a blade on the end,
Basically, yeah. Except the longer.
I noticed the curved edges on the knife.
I thought when you were talking about the Dave.

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I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the handled
weapons when you were talking about the curved blade.
No, it was a dagger. I did notice that.
That was really cool, I feel. Like I should have looked that
up because it looks pretty unique.
Oh, it's like the morning Star. Like dare a little morning in
Season 10 much? Like probably in France, they
have probably raided their antiquated weapon stores in
their museums and such because you don't have the modern

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weapons in this village. They obviously don't have the
capacity, I would say, to make bullets.
Maybe somewhere else in Spain they do, maybe somewhere like
where the Royals live or something.
But it seems to me like it's more natural for them to use
older weapons because they just don't have the newer things.
I think some of these designs are based on the AL Qatar is

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like it references the castle, so it's not really the king of
Spain. I'm going to bring it to the
dagger, but Al Qatar really refers to old buildings of
Moorish design, which means likewhen the Muslims were in Spain
and then subsequently tried to conquer Spain and called it
Andalusia. So a lot of arabesque style
homes are now called Al Qatar. So it's very interesting.

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So is it going back to really the old ways or is it going back
to anyway? So the dagger itself looks very
Moorish in design too. So it sort of looked like that.
It was very dark, so you really couldn't see it.
And I can tell you this is like a Yemenite blade.
My parents used to have a blade like this is very Middle Eastern
in design, but this this is sortof what it looked like.

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That's. The blade.
That's the dagger I was referring to.
OK, I have a small dagger but the blades not curvy.
Curvy. Oh, WAVY.
Yeah, Like that. Like.
Ripley like that so. I love this.
Is it We're going back to the cultural things that we loved
about The Walking to Daryl Dixon's first two seasons or
mostly the first season? So this is just like another
Ave. to look at more cool stuff we got on this because of Manuel

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being the sacrifice for the walkers etcetera and for also
Daryl's safety. We all make sacrifices to
survive, and how would would we have if we didn't like Fede was
saying near the end, talking over Daryl and making that
sacrifice during the anything else in terms of the offering
the. Burning of the masks that they
put on the fire at the end. Yes, I'm so glad you brought

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that up. That's an actual thing.
I was. Thinking about that too, because
they made sure to show them veryprominently at the beginning
when they walked into the city and they had them on the walls.
There's a painting by Diego Rivera that is called The
Offering. I read about it earlier and I'm
not very into art so I'm not going to phrase anything right,
but basically it comments on thecircle of life, how we always
circle back around to the same acts and things basically.

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But it is a painting by Diego Rivera, who is Mexican, not
Spanish. Mexico is repopulated Spain, so
it's where I'd say in a. Manner of speaking, right?
But we won't get into that, sorry.
My words were not my. My words were poorly chosen so
nobody get mad at me for what I said.
That is not what I meant. No, I took an opportunity to
make a funny. That's fine.
I'll make it about me and then everybody will hate me.

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It's cool, Diego. Rivera was also married to Frida
Kahlo, for anybody who's interested.
And argue. He was more known for murals,
but he also did paintings too. I see.
Actually, so there are two festivals that this references
and it has a lot to do with whatyou're talking about an
offering. But why the offering?
And like you said, things happenin circles.

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We often repeat things. Things are happening in cycles.
I look this up personally until I heard Fede say something
specific. Let me do the thing that I
researched first. It's the San Juan festival
everywhere in Spain. So June 23rd through 24th,
people gather on beaches, parks,and squares and build bonfires
to burn old things in the fire, and that symbolized purification

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and renewal. So basically every year you burn
your old crap so that you can make way for the new crap that
you'll eventually burn the next year.
But Fede mentioned specifically Las Falas, and that references
Las Falas of Valencia or Valencia.
I said it wrong, yes. They also had satire or
satirical masks as they're parading around the squares and
the beaches and the things. And this is based on an old

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carpenters tradition. It's the very early roots of
this festival is around spring. So they've been working
throughout the winter and they had all these holes and stuff
with lights on them and stuff like that to light their way
during winter as they're building these big structures
around March 19th, which is obviously spring.
And for 19 days they would burn the paddocks, the wood that
propped up their lights during winter.

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They added more old things as well.
Like OK, as long as we're here, let's burn the older eggs.
OK, The old things piled up and started to look like they were
burning effigies of things. So people decided to burn
effigies of things. The old wood used to be called
parrots and the effigies that they started to burn are called
ninots. This further evolved and this

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was where it starts to get a little crazy to remember how I
mentioned mandalas, how a mandala is a beautiful thing
that you make that gets erased almost immediately.
So this evolved into temporary works of art that would could
cost upwards of millions of dollars that people would buy
just for it to get destroyed later.
Absolutely insane. So you're saying that the guy

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that paid millions of dollars for the banana tape to the wall
and then ate the banana was justfollowing tradition?
Exactly. He was Spanish and he was just
following the tradition of renewal.
And again, this is all about outwith the old and in with the
new. This is all about the cycle of
renewal, making an offering, do whatever so that your next year
will be better. And he says right after I

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researched this, hoping to be reborn and find new life, a
better future before us. And this is as Manuel, the guy
who Daryl sliced the fingers of to fall into the Walker pit, is
as Daryl's stalking and well, and his men.
Any other offerings? Justina and Roberto offered up
their chance to escape in order to help two other people, I.

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Think Daryl kind of took a. Little under duress.
Yeah. But yeah, basically, instead of
out with the old and in with thenew, because, right, Daryl, and
Carol's ass is really old, Yeah,it was in with the old, out with
the new, essentially. How do you feel about that?
Everybody, Daryl. Offered up his arrows to save
someone else. In return.

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Then he offered up his pistol inRevengel's face.
Wait. A minute.
The offering that the king made for their loyalty, the gift of
it looked like medicines and alcohol to me.
Yeah. I did see ciprofloxacin at the
top Cipro. Good old Cipro, yeah.
Ciprofloxacin and McAllen whiskey.

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Very high grade stuff by the way.
Yeah, I know. I'm like McAllen daughter too.
From McAllen, OK. Rachel, listen, I thought the
same thing, but then I listen, you pump the brakes and you're
like, that is a horrible thought, is it?
Anyway, I don't know, maybe for some proper 12?
Really. I I like proper 12.

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It's not McAllen. No, I do like Shankies.
I'll hand over my whole family any.
More offerings. Well, I mean Elena outed herself
as an offering, a prior offering, and apparently she is
with the purported. By the way, Al Qatar is really
just the institution. It literally means castle.
In fact, the root of the word, the palace or castle.

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It's derived from the Arabic Al Qasr and the Latin castrum, as
in fortress colloquial efforts to old Moorish buildings like
the Royal Al Qatar of Seville. In Saint Augustine, which was
settled by Spain in the mid 1500s, there is a museum there
called the Light Tower Museum. It used to be the Alcazar Hotel

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before it was taken over and turned into a museum and it was
like a huge draw. It had an underground swimming
pool, which is now a restaurant.But anyway, they've turned it
into an Art Museum. Beautiful place to go.
It does look like a Moorish. It looks like a Moorish castle.
The architecture. I'm sorry, it's the Lightner
Museum. I.
Figured charity deserves to hearabout the method of torture they

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use on the man was named Jaime spelled Jaime the man who's
where's his daughter for the last five years that they took
that was used in the ofrenda. Well, he was tortured using one
of many Spanish Inquisition torture.
Devices. What are the?
Lighter ones I might add, by theway that.
Still looked terrible. I was going.
To say equally terrible, but know if you've seen Spanish

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Inquisition torture devices, this one was at least somewhat
oh, we maybe we can get something out of this person
before they die type of devices.So yeah, Jaime, he's punished on
what's called commonly Estherapado, also called a
reverse hanging, also called a Palestinian hanging.
The victim's hands are tied behind their back in the body,
suspended by the wrists. Obviously this guy had a rope

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around his stomach as well, which you could see because his
arms would have been pulled up backwards and they would have
been ripped out of sockets with all the weight that was on there
already and. That's exactly what happens.
Dislocated shoulders, right? Right, ripped your shoulders
out. He said more weight.
And that made me think of duringthe Salem witch trials, there
was a elderly man named Giles Corey and he was accused of

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being a witch and he refused to go along with them in any way.
He basically was like F you guyscompletely.
He was put to death by pressing,which is they laid him on the
ground and put a board on him and then piled stones on top of
that board on top of his chest until it crushed him.
But every time they would ask him for a confession, he would
just say more weight. Wait, so he went out to ultimate

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badass, and that's what they made me think of.
This guy was like, more weight. Yeah.
And looking right at Guillermo Torres, I mean.
The Spanish Inquisition was to root out witches, so it kind of
fits together there. I thought it was just a torture.
Jews and it. Was, you know, it was heretics
which include heretics. That's a wide.
Encompassing group of people, basically anybody who wasn't a

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Catholic. Yeah, yeah.
That really slims down a lot, bythe way.
I mean, they're playing, they'reeasy to catch the other ones
anyway. So the other ones, like the ones
that aren't Jewish, they're really are you, are you not?
Who cares anyway on a good day? This reverse hanging commonly

(26:52):
does dislocate shoulders. Doesn't always, but yeah, mostly
on a bad day. If they're hung for more than an
hour, it does result in death. Obviously weights can be added
to the feet as we saw, and the whole making the rope go higher
I think is more for dramatic effect because all the rope
needs to do is suspend the person.
They're already being held by their own weight.

(27:12):
So then like just going. It's exhausting for no.
Reason. Exactly so.
So it really, really bothered me, even though I know it's
fake, is the whole the guy just slamming the rocks down on the
thing, not like gingerly puttingthe rocks on the because it's
still just like the slam. It's like, OK, OK, why stop?

(27:32):
It's very. It's just too cruel.
So yeah, those who survive suffer permanent yet invisible
damage. So like a lot of people when
this happened, the church at thetime say, oh, well, I guess he's
not hurt, he's not bleeding. But no.
Meanwhile, the dislocated shoulders, permanent damage to
the arms, most people never get regained feeling in their arms.
Most people lose the ability to operate their arms again, very

(27:55):
cruel and all for what is challenging authority, which is
a good mirror for Darrell. Rob and I were having a small
discussion before everybody cameon and we were talking about
Carol hyping up after the dinnerand questioning the traditions,
how Daryl was like looking at her like shut up Carol.

(28:16):
And Daryl? Learned his lesson about
questioning the people that haveyou in their power with Negan,
because look what happened when he spoke up.
It cost Glenn his life. So while Carol was there, like,
oh, what are you guys? We're here under your protection
and your care, but we don't likewhat you're doing, so why are
you doing it? And he's over there, like, shut
up, Carol. This food is great.

(28:38):
This food is so good. Thank you for your hospitality.
I love this conversation becauseI was going to go the whole
other direction with this. Daryl frustrated me to hell this
episode because I'm looking at him after everything he's been
through. The thing that we love the most
about Daryl, besides the fact that he doesn't want to go home
for some reason, as most people criticized, was that OK, while
he was here, he was reticent to make an impact.

(28:59):
But while he was in France, he made an impact.
He saved a child. He tried to save people wherever
he went. He tried to right wrongs.
Now that he's here, none of that.
I love that. It's frustrating, but I love it
because what was one of the biggest critiques, Sharon, you
and I were the most vocal about it.
What was the biggest critique that I had in season 11 as it
pertains to Darryl was the biggest 1.

(29:21):
And it starts, it's a four letter word.
It's a name and it involves Darryl.
What happened in the second-half, second trimester?
Yeah, Leah, that's right. We were all kind of like, well,
what now? We're the ramifications.
Well, we were worried about the ramifications after Isabel also,
And I think this is what's goingon.
Daryl's thinking. I stick my neck out, I get

(29:42):
involved, and the people I care about die.
I don't even know if Laurent is alive.
So I feel like that's a lot of what's going on here.
But I'm curious to know, first of all, if you guys felt
similarly. Let's take their stuff.
I only take a little bit. Oh, the crossbow is an ice
breaker. Daryl is very much like, he
wants to do the right thing, buthe also his people matter more

(30:05):
to him than doing anything else.So in terms of taking care of
Carol, he was willing to throw everything out the window, take
from these people, heal Carol and say screw it to them.
And then when bandits came over or, you know, obviously whoever
came over was about to kill them.
He's like, girl, and now I have to do this in order to get the
stuff too. Why?
Didn't he kill them when the bandits came?
Why didn't he just kill them after he took care of the

(30:25):
bandits? See, this is what I'm saying.
It's very frustrating because beconsistent.
Like obviously Daryl can't help but be himself.
Like he's not going to kill people in cold blood.
Is that what you're asking? Yeah.
He wasn't planning on killing them for the same.
Reason he didn't kill Dwight andSherry.
Oh, he wasn't. Planning.
That's a good one, I. Also want to point out the deep
Negan savior vibes going on in this episode.

(30:49):
OK so Alkafar he is like the Negan who's not Negan.
Instead of coming and taking allof their food and medicine and
liquor and mattresses, he bringsthem gifts.
Instead of being a show off withthe lean back and Lucille and
the hot dog and all that, he's very quiet and reserved, but
he's still this person that runseverything.

(31:11):
They're still under his thumb. They're still taking from these
people. They are the saviors that are
just not quite the same as the Saviors.
To add to that, Justina looked extremely like Sherry.
I mean. She resembled her so much.
Maybe that's another reason Daryl didn't really speak up and
go against these people, becauseshe reminded him of Sherry.

(31:35):
With this being like the Saviors, we come when we want,
but instead of taking your things, we're going to bring you
food and we're just going to take one of your girls.
Let's not skip ahead. What did you do with Sherry and
Dwight that he didn't do with Christina and Roberto?
He let Sherry and Dwight live sothey can escape.
I think that's what they were attempting to do, right?

(31:55):
We're not escaped necessarily, but they ended up being caught
by Negan, whereas here he bringsthem back to quote UN quote,
Negan. No, I.
Didn't even catch the institution is.
Me neither. Amazing.
Yeah. That's one of the things that
really frustrated me about Darylthis episode, too, mostly in
that scene. I understand he's trying to get
help for Carol, but he's not really listening to these kids.

(32:17):
This is not the place that you want to go to get help.
He's so hyper focused on gettingher help.
It's there's just not even another option.
You're running away from this place, so it must be awful.
Where are you planning to go? Why not help them get to the
next place and look for help there instead?
And him pulling the gun on him. Yeah.
I'm like, wow, ooh, this is Darrell.

(32:40):
Calm down, I. Love what you're saying because
a he feels it's necessary because it's Carol.
We all agree this is his only person he loves here I.
Understand the motivation, the execution is well, as soon as he
heard not Sherry say that her grandma was a healer, he had
blinders on. He's like, that's where we need

(33:00):
to go. Right.
And he did it. Why?
Because he needed an introduction, right?
They don't let in outsiders. And so that's the price is that
he brought them back to get in there.
Now wait, because once he gets in there to dovetail what you're
saying, like did he have to do that?
Did he not have to do that? He asks both Antonio and
Roberto. And it's it's funny when you
hear it, when you realize what'shappening.
He asks Antonio hey he don't need to borrow.

(33:22):
And then Antonio ignores him completely, goes to Roberto,
we'll talk about this later. He leaves it doesn't answer him
at all. Roberto says he watches like
hoax now he sneak away secret inthe night.
So you guys? Have tools I can borrow?
Roberto goes DFFACFAQ What is it?

(33:42):
DAFAQ. DAFUQ.
Thank you, which is to say what after that, he says, I hope you
fix your boat. It'll be repaired quicker.
Two eyes are better than one. And maybe, just maybe you can
take me and Hostina away so thatwe can be together.
And he goes, F that noise. I don't want anything to do with
you people. I want what I want.

(34:04):
I'm going to I'm going to sacrifice the on the altar of
the see the that's the that you said that's an offering.
He offered Hostina and Roberto up so that he could get what he
wants and screw anybody else. Isn't that what the Negan's
Lieutenant saying was We take what we want and something, the
rest? If that's what it was, I think
that's what they said. No, it was Janus, she said.

(34:25):
We take, we don't bother. That's yeah, sure.
There you go. So he so he's a trash person.
Oh wait, we knew that already. Yeah, for sure.
It's a different kind of trash person.
He actually speaks somewhat English it.
Felt a little out of character for him in character that he's
so concerned about Carol, but his actions were really like out
of character for Daryl, which we've seen before.

(34:47):
He's he's stepped outside himself, I think.
In a situation that they're in, because he's so worried about
Carol's health, because she's depleting rapidly, it's going to
make him act out of character. He's going to do things in a
rash because he's going to that area in mindset.
I've got to do something and the.
Argument can be made that he just wants to get home to
Laurent as well. The faster he gets Carol healed

(35:08):
up, they can get on the boat, They can get back to Laurent and
find out what happened. He lucked.
Into finding people who spoke English what if they.
Move on and. They don't, you know, I mean,
it's, it's hard enough in this foreign country that they're in.
They don't know how populated Spain is.
They just came from England where there was nobody left
except one person who they got killed immediately.
The chances that they run into somebody else alive who speaks

(35:31):
English and who isn't going to immediately murder them is slim.
There's. No reason to hold young couple
hostage so. The Queen to be and hottie and
the Hat. Elena and Path.
Whatever I like, my name's better so.
One syllable is easier. Lady with the Hat.
Hottie with the hat. Oh.
Hottie with the hat? Oh, that actually has a ring to

(35:53):
it. Did you write that down?
No, it just came out of my face right now.
So the queen to bee and the hottie with the hat.
Queen bee. Love each other yes they're not
just they're not just friends like they're they're an item
and. Know each other too.
Oh for sure, like knew each other way before.
OK that. I just wanted some validation on
that no. I got that vibe.

(36:14):
What I'm? More interested in is where do
you think the daughters are going?
What are they doing with the daughters?
I had an idea but I have nothingto follow I.
Think it's what Negan was doing.They're going to be the wife of
the AL Kazar I. Mean Guillermo Torres.
And he wants a new wife every year, right?

(36:36):
Negan didn't need 15 wives, but he had them.
It's the same thing. They get to go be the queen,
they get dresses and I'm sure they get more than than the most
normal everyday people do. You know, they get fine cloth
and they have good meals and they get whatever treated well
or whatever, but they're still subject to this guy where.

(36:56):
Federico says this much. You see when the guy, the guy
that questioned them at all about it, gets hung up by the
arms, hi. Man, right.
Yeah, yeah, to. Me.
That seemed like over the top the.
Punishment. Yes, yeah, pretty much.
If he hasn't seen his daughter in five years, I would assume
she's dead. I had a lot of thoughts going
through my head as to why they want the daughters.

(37:18):
What are they doing with the daughters?
If she was taken as a wife, why not grant her?
If they're coming back to the toher village, why not come and
visit her dad for the weekend? She's under duress already.
They'll kill her if she doesn't come back with them.
What? Does that lead you to believe
though? They're not.
There anymore I don't. Think this queen was from the

(37:39):
village that we were in? She was from another village,
correct? We know that much.
I think they're either possibly being sacrificed in some sort of
ritual, some sort of, I don't know, religious ceremony.
I don't know, quite possible. I don't know.
I'm all ears. Maybe they're being sacrificed

(37:59):
for protection. They might be being offered up
to the other tribe, the guys with the horns that we saw in
the last episode. The.
Barbarians we saw. OK, that was sort of my next
thought is we also know there's other communities, villages,
other places, so maybe these daughters are being.
Alliance. Yes, they're being offered to
other communities as oh look, you know, you get this and A and

(38:21):
a bottle. Of Kelly.
Well, so just to round out what you'd said earlier, which I
love. Thank you.
Elena's there. Queen Bee, whatever, we'll call
her. Reyna Elena.
She's there. But Jaime's daughter isn't
there. I forgot what her name was.
I don't know if they mentioned her name.
His daughter that's been missingfor five.

(38:43):
Years. OK.
So what does that tell you? Does that tell you that you
could assume that these women may be Negan's wives, Guillermo
Torres's wives? But if he liked Elena the most
and she asked to come with him to just this one time, figured
maybe she was the one. And maybe, like you said, the
other daughters, the favorite, maybe the one.

(39:04):
Yeah. Well, let's let's just say that
then. Maybe the other daughters being
passed. It was something that Sharon D
had said in our House of the Dragon coverage.
There could be a court. If there's a court, maybe
there's all these other men to satisfy.
I'm not saying satisfy in that way, but like to marry off to
these men. When Rayna and hat hottie are
talking, she tells her the storyabout the New Girl who came from

(39:26):
the village that they are in right now.
She came from this village and she mentioned that there was
this lady here, but she didn't say anything.
She she was like they're scared like they always are and I
comfort them or something like that.
I didn't get the feeling that they've died or they were
sacrificed. My feeling was either they're
his wives are like you were saying pass them down to the
other men as a as rewards because didn't Negan do that?

(39:49):
Didn't he reward women? No, because like.
He let Eugene hang out with them, but they were not allowed
to have sex to. Be with him.
There was one time when Dwight, he was like, you could have any
woman or whatever and he's like,but not yours basically, but you
don't have any other one. That happened, yeah.
I think he only offered charity,he said.
Do you want to blast from the past with your old squeeze with

(40:10):
you? Know.
I thought, I thought he told himhe could pick anyone he wanted.
But. Oh, OK, but he.
Did he did use women as a reward?
And maybe in select instances too, like if you really followed
what I have to say, let me take that thought further.
This is what I actually think because if path had been going
to different cities or cities that Elena liked, the language
there is kind of interesting. What if these women, and it's

(40:33):
not as much a court thing, What if these women are being passed
around the members of the alliance, these different cities
in Spain that are walled and protected by Al Qatar?
What if it's a means because there's so few people left of
not diluting the gene pool as well?
I mean, it's like a necessary evil to prevent genetic disease

(40:53):
or anything like that to producethe most healthy version of a
child in an effort to repopulatethe glory of Spain.
Let's just say even we always assume it's a nefarious reason
because it's obviously nefarious.
If you're torturing a man for questioning authority
essentially is why he's being punished.
It's not because of the daughterand all that stuff, which
questioning, Oh, how dare you miss with you.

(41:15):
No, you're questioning authority.
That's why you have to be punished and that you have to
make an example of someone if you're going through all that
trouble. We're always going to assume
it's a nefarious reason when maybe there's like a wisdom
behind it some kind. Well, and as Federico says,
these women are privileged. They come under their protect.
We don't know for sure, but let's just assume what he's
saying is correct. They're being taken out of the
horrors of this world, which clearly there are to be

(41:38):
protected in an effort to perhaps repopulate Spain, make
something nice happen. What he also says in that
monologue is the offering is to is a symbolism of burning away
the new in the hopes of rebirth.There's a specific thing he says
that was very beautiful, hoping to be reborn and find new life,
a better future before us, if we're to take him as his word.

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Because there are other things you could say about Federico
that you look at him, you're like, I don't know where he
stands. But there's some things that I
want to pick apart, like the Alfrenda itself.
Because who is reading the caller in the Alfrenda when
they're announcing the result? I don't remember exactly who it
was. It's.
Federico right, the mayor and it's this tense moment who seen
as like it's the fifth time. It's definitely going to be me.

(42:22):
Obviously, statistically it would be impossible that she
wasn't chosen after all this time.
She knows it, everybody knows it.
Dogs know it. They could smell it off of her.
And then it's this hang time. He's reading the he's taking too
long to read the collar and say it's Alba.
I think that he picked Christina's collar and he said
it was Alba. He has to put on a face and it's

(42:42):
something he said that makes me think that after watching this
episode, he was making this whole thing about Spain, but how
we're our own worst enemy. He says Spain, our history, we
ended up brother against brother, just like England, just
like he, like they were saying about how England died during
the apocalypse. We conquer the world, we didn't
know what to do with it. And then we turned on ourselves.

(43:03):
And he says the reason why I'm in power, my duty is to protect
my people from every threat. Do you understand even the most
persistent one of all ourselves,What a complex character if in
fact that he's he's kind of playing both sides like he's
trying to maximize the survival of his people.
But at the same time, he's also a little tricky.
He doesn't play by the rules 100% rules for the and not for

(43:24):
me, but like in the interest of his people here.
Or at least his niece Husina is his niece you.
Have to be that way or you can'tstay in power or lead.
You can't be rigid because if you're rigid, you turn into Ned
Stark. You get Ned Stark, but.
If you're not rigid, nobody trusts you.
You may be the axe man. You may have to do the bad
thing. It's a very.

(43:45):
Fine line and that's why it can all go to crap so quickly.
All you need is to add Daryl andCarroll to the mix and and
everything will just disintegrate naturally.
Any one of our game, take your pick.
Daryl's the last. I think also like Daryl being

(44:05):
the last man standing here, having him hear that in his head
and seeing it in real life that Julian was the last man
standing, It's not all that it'scracked up to be.
And so having seen him died and knowing that that might be his
fate, it's pretty lonely, I think.
And so I don't think he wants anything to do with anybody.
If that's my fate and everybody I meet is going to end up

(44:25):
eventually dying stuff for the people who were back home, let's
say they seem to not be able to die, plot armor and all that.
Well then let's get home really quick so I don't have to
interface with all these other people in their business and
whatever. But what did you think about
what I said about Federico? My first impression of him
initially was he's the bad guy, quote UN quote.
But paying attention to some of the words he said and the collar

(44:46):
thing. I'm not saying that that's what
happened, but I'm saying I'm starting to think that that is
what happened, that he is protecting those closest to him
while trying to follow the rules.
I don't know he's. Basically Ezekiel, he's trying
to balance. There's even another parallel.
We have the pigs, instead of them taking pigs that have been
fed walkers, they bring pigs that are healthy.

(45:09):
And because they brought the pigs with them, they bring the
pigs. And that's what they put the
girls names on, which I do highly object to that making the
girl a man. Putting the girls.
Names on pigs? He's Ezekiel.
Dudes got a cat. What is it with Carol and dudes
that have cats? Well.
That's Antonio. Did you?
Notice a little spark between her and Antonio, like a little
hall, like I did, but anyway, like a little.

(45:32):
What? You know, like a little home.
Yeah, they just had like a little thing.
She gave him a little smile. I feel like Federico is, is like
Ezekiel. He's got this home.
He's trying. To balance against the Alcazar
and keeping his people happy, That's what Ezekiel had to do.
He had to. Binge to.
Them and do what they wanted, but at the same time he also

(45:54):
made sure to take care of his people.
He spit. In his food, basically, instead
of spit, it was Walker meat, basically.
That's a great, great continuation of the parallel
between this series and The Walking Dead proper I.
Really didn't catch me of that. That's crazy.
I. Didn't.
See so much more than I can sometimes it's crazy.
That's why. That's why there's not.
It's not the Dave Show. If it was the Dave Show, run.

(46:18):
Hide your kids. Hide your eyes.
Unwatchable. Share these insights.
I'm going. To say goodnight you guys.
She couldn't hack it falling asleep.
I'd like to say I hope they get the F out of dodge before
anybody realizes what Daryl did,but then we wouldn't have a
season so obviously they everything's going to get
screwed up. I mean, Daryl took out those

(46:40):
three guys before anyone knew they even went after him, so
they're not going to know who did it, right?
But they see, he'll see Manuel'shat, and they'll be like, that's
Manuel's hat. Oh, who killed him?
Somehow they'll know, yeah. Yeah, and then we'll get into
trouble. And who is who are these men?
They're Guillermo Torres's men. It's the same guys from the Jeep
we saw at the end of the first episode who ends up bugging the

(47:02):
couple. And it's.
And so you can go, Rachel, sorry.
I was going to bring up something relating to that, but
good night you. Guys have.
A good one. Thank you for coming on.
The flip side? Good night.
Rachel, love you. Bye.
Love you. And then three.
So on that note, great that you brought that up because I was

(47:23):
going to go quickly past it. Why did the men want to kill
Christina and Ricardo? Why?
They said because they'll tell. Who cares?
What will what will they tell whoever it's Solas de Mar or
whatever? Who cares if they remember who
these men are, though, if they are with Guillermo Torres and
they're not supposed to be there?
Maybe, yeah, maybe. Maybe they're doing something.

(47:43):
And if they happen to be, let's just say you take them at their
word or you don't take them at their word.
Let's say they get accepted by, OK, maybe they're not from here.
They're from Santiago, as he said.
What if Solaf Delmar, they take them in?
Well, then they'll tell them about the soldiers that harass
them on the road and they'll seethem too, because that's where
they're headed. Maybe they shouldn't be out
there. Well, let's say they're going
elsewhere. Who cares?

(48:04):
They'll hit in the lions town. They'll say they saw these
soldiers out there in the middleof nowhere.
Word will get back and then. So what were they doing that
there, Manuel? He's a bag of poop and now he's
a dead bag of poop. But why was he out there?
Why was it so bad that he was caught with his other men out
there, right? He was the driver of the Jeep.
But why was it so bad that he got caught?
Caught out there? And he had.

(48:24):
To have gotten caught because hecame back without three other
guys. Right, exactly.
And then found other guys to have dinner with, basically.
Obviously nobody knew about this.
They didn't tell Federico and Antonio.
They said that they were saved by a bunch of bandoleros, right?
Some bandits on the road, but they didn't say who it was.
And of course the only survivingbandolero was the driver, whom

(48:46):
didn't see or recognize Cristinaand Ricardo because they were on
a different table all together, right?
Good thing because and they saw Daryl on the main table with the
the big head honchos. Like all this to say, don't keep
your eye off of the the reason why it was so bad that they were
out there reason enough to get Whostina and Ricardo killed to

(49:07):
make Daryl take Whostina Ricardoback.
So there's there's something more than just this royalty
trying to take these women back.They're doing something else on
the side that's not part of the system, essentially.
I'm not going to make leaps on what that is, but let's not keep
our eye off that ball and that these people probably deserve to
be killed, even though Daryl's like on a warpath and wants to

(49:29):
kill everybody basically. Now with the well, what's the
deal with that? I don't like it.
He just. Wants to get the F out of there,
yeah. But I'm just, you're killing a
bunch of Laurents. I don't know.
I mean, if you had to take a guess on what they were doing
out there, what would you think it was?
I. Don't know, would it have
something to do with the big slings of walkers that were in
the trees? OK.

(49:50):
Do you think that might have been their doing?
Possibly. I don't know exactly what the
purpose of those. So I mean, we don't know what
the purpose of those still is when they.
First go to the village hat hottie is herding walkers into
the holding cell. So it could be it could be that
they trap them in the Nets and then bring them to the village

(50:10):
to use. I guess they're using them as
protection or whatever. Like they like a Moat.
They're like the like the tower,the tower mode which.
Is also a very savior like. I will say this, I will tell you
what I think is happening maybe,but I won't tell you why.
I love that you said that, Rob, because let's just say these
men, men, well, who all work forGuillermo Torres, who's Al

(50:32):
Qatar, like the castle, the royalty, the palace, If they're
the ones putting the walkers up in the Nets in the trees.
And there's something that I sawin the trailer leading up to
Season 3. Do you remember what I said
about the Nets in the trees? That they have a trigger that
might throw them, Toss them likea catapult?
OK, What would they use that forif not for attacking a town?

(50:53):
And what is the goal? What is the Alfrenda about?
The goal is to take a childbearing woman.
Obviously, you have to be childbearing.
Take the one woman out, Right? Just one, Megan.
Just one is all we need to make an example.
You take the one out, keep her safe, kill all the rest.
Why? So that what is this like a
selective breeding program? And then we only breed the

(51:13):
desirables, something like that.Because clearly, if you catapult
walkers into a town to take it down, what's the purpose?
And like Sharon, he said in the last episode, what would farmers
do in times of strife, in times of a warring faction?
They would bring all the farmersand all the people from the
outer lands and bring them into the fortress to keep them safe,
right? Well, what if Al Qatar is doing

(51:33):
the same thing? He's demolishing the outer towns
to do the same thing that they did in London to cordon off
everything else, keep keep them centralized in England.
It's like a mini CRM or maybe a major CRM.
They tried to do that with the CRM.
Did you know you concentrate yourselves with a body of water
in the surroundings. You have like some sort of
system on the inside and he's trying to do the same thing

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England is doing. Geographically that's feasible
because the geography of Spain is they're not an island like
like Britain, but they do have like they're on like a neck,
like there's three sides surrounded by, well, two sides
surrounded by water, one side surrounded by Portugal, but on
the other end, but they but there is like there's.

(52:15):
A. Neck right there that that they
would have, you could set up some kind of a boundary there
and actually I believe most of that is the Alps and Dora is
mountainous and other areas likethat.
Do you remember? When I said Al Qatar is commonly
referred to Moorish fortress, castle buildings, whatever old
Moorish buildings, well, the most famous version of what

(52:35):
would be considered Al Qatar would be the Al Qatar.
I said Al Qatar de Sevilla. That is a whole village
surrounded by a wall if not mistaken.
And if Al Qatar is in like a walled city of some kind, that
would kind of explain maybe perhaps the game plan.
Demolish all the other towns, all the other countryside, do
what England did. There's no people or walkers.

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What? And then what's the end goal?
The end goal is centralized people in a central place where
they can breed and pro plentifuland then build inside out, kind
of like the Commonwealth. They had certain walls and then
they kept building out, buildingout, building out, right,
Because you saw there they were clearing out little ruins so
they can build new structures there early on in season 11.
Be a small aside about the pigs because you're upset about them.

(53:17):
So this dovetails what we were saying about the visuals, both
what makeup artists do for things to end up only a few
seconds on camera. So think about this.
They trained for weeks with the pigs to get them to do the
racing. The actual racing bit actors
worked for the pigs for two days.
And how many minutes were they on the screen?
Literally less than. Less than one less than.

(53:38):
Two. Yeah, something, something like
that. Yeah.
Less than a few minutes of screen time.
All of that work for that. It just boggles my mind if you
think about it. So all of that work just to get
that these these few frames of of of shots that span however
many time they love the and theylove the pigs too.
You should be happy to know thatthey're all trained pigs that
live a happy life, hopefully. That's good.

(53:59):
Maybe they did. Mention this is the episode or
insider pigs aren't typically trainable, which is why it took
several weeks. So that was a little funny.
Something to keep in mind is Zabel says one of the big themes
about this season is exploring love in the apocalypse, quote UN
quote, and also says it's pure love in a Dark World, kind of

(54:20):
like world beyond. It's like the beauty and the
darkness. Extrapolating from this, it's
like what it takes for pure loveto live, to exist in a Dark
World and all the forces that are determined to stop it.
Meaning it's not just about survival, it's about the reasons
to live. Roberto, I keep saying Ricardo,
it's Roberto says this to Daryl.You know, what's the point?
Carol wakes up in the morning, right?
Remember how you were saying howCarol was making eyes at

(54:41):
Antonio? She wakes up in the morning.
What's the first thing she does?She looks around the room, the
sunlit room. What did she see?
She's all these pictures of Antonio and Roberto and a woman
who is no longer with us, Roberto mentions a little bit
later. My father forgot all about that,
the reasons to live, because clearly his father saying it's
all about survival. I'm willing to make a lot of

(55:02):
sacrifices for my son to survive, etcetera, etcetera.
My son is an idiot. He because he doesn't know how
bad it is out there, because something obviously bad happened
to the his mother, Antonio's wife.
Whatever it is, it made him retreat.
And what is Daryl if not a mirror for that?
Isabel died. Laurence fate is unknown.
All he cares about is survival now he doesn't care about

(55:22):
anything else. The reasons to live.
And what did we say in the last episode?
OK, I have my dead and I let them go.
I have hot dogs, which. I'll save her a special occasion
or I'll drink all the Scotch. What's the point about living
life? Is it about survival?
Yeah, a little. Is it about enjoying things
while you're alive? Yeah, of course.
Saving things for a special occasion?
Sure. Of course.

(55:43):
Delayed gratification. I'm for it.
But what is all that? What's the thing that keeps the
keeps the world go around? Isn't it love who we get to love
the? Love, you're kind of just
drifting so. Exactly what I was about to use,
drifting and even Daryl's like, I don't want to drift.
I just won't go home. Can we just go home?
He's drifted enough. He drifted across, drifting.

(56:03):
He drifted across the back, across the Atlantic.
I think he's done with drifting.I guess the I guess the
showrunners aren't done with himyet, drifting everywhere.
But what is the point? What's the point of all that?
I say this only to say sometimeswriters write in response to the
audience. And what has the audience been
saying in the last two seasons? Tell me what the audience has

(56:25):
been saying in the comments section to every TikTok posts.
Don't care. Where is Daryl?
Why isn't Daryl home with all his family?
This is a response to that. Oh, you want Daryl to go home?
OK, he's going home now. The only thing he wants now is
to go home. This is what you get.
I don't like it. I like the idea of it, but this
is gross. This is well, this is what it
takes, everybody. This is what it takes to go

(56:46):
home. You get a disconnect to Daryl.
I. Like that with the Negan
parallels, they're making the point that even when you go to a
different country with differenttraditions, the people are still
the same people. Are the same all over.
Yes, they may have differences about little things, but in the
grand general scheme of things, people are the same and they're

(57:07):
going to do the same things no matter where you're from.
Oh. Yeah, human nature doesn't
change. Yeah, our incentive mechanisms
are the same too. We want love, we want to
protect, we want to rule, we want to dominate, for whatever
reason, Scarcity, abundance, survival.
We. Want 15 wives?
I get it. As me and Sharon, we were
talking about earlier, Carol getting put in her place by

(57:29):
Feta's mom and being told like hey, we found a system, respect
that and you're adrift and aloneand until you find a better way,
then go find me and she. Apologizes to Feta about what
she said earlier, and I think she meant it too.
I think she really did. Basically Granny was saying I
forget her name. She has a name.
She's very well respected. I don't know why just call her
that. But she said, it's one thing if

(57:51):
you criticize our way of survival, He says, come to me
when you have a better plan. Fair.
How many people wag the finger and don't come in with a better
option? How?
Many times have we said if it was the other way around and we
had come in on the side of the Saviors, we would think they
were the good guys, right? How many people would look at
the way Rick was doing things and be like, what are you doing?

(58:12):
What are you doing? This isn't democracy, I mean.
How many people would come in and say, what are you doing?
This is wrong, you shouldn't be doing this.
It's all perspective. It's.
All fun and games until you turninto shame or something worse.
It's all unjustifiable until youcan see the motivations behind
it. Negan had some good motivations

(58:33):
but ultimately took it too far right?
And that's the thing. That's why I don't attribute
what Fede and Guillermo Torres is doing to malice.
I'm I'm willing to hear out the rationale behind the system.
I get that in exchange for the women that they get gifts.
I don't think that's enough. I think there's an explanation
behind all of this. It could be just the alliance

(58:55):
factor and it's hard out there for a pimp.
And I'm kidding. It's, you know, it's hard out
there for everybody. And having the alliance means
there's trade, which is was mentioned.
So La Del Mar being a hub of trade and being a melting pot
means when they join the alliance, it'll mean even more
trade. It'll be the ultimate form of
trade. Everybody will come here and
this will be a hub again when they.

(59:16):
Did the drone shot around the village it it looked rather
large. So I mean, I wonder if that
entire village is full of peopleor if it's just a small section
that we saw. Yes, we see how big it is on the
on the screen, but how many, howmuch of it is actually inhabited
by people and how much of it is out of bounds or whatever?
Do they have enough population to give up a woman every year to

(59:40):
these people it. Makes me think that there is
there might be another thing they mentioned the episode or
insider was the filming locationIt's purported to be Galicia in
the the northwest, but this location is in the northeast of
Madrid. It is in the Segovia region in a
town called Sepulveda. And the reason why they filmed
there, which is very interestingthey filmed there because a lot

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of the extras were from that town.
So they thought having the extras in the background of
their own town would lend an element of of authenticity.
They'd be in it to win it. But let's.
Take that to its conclusion. Like you said about fortresses,
there's the outer lands, right? But when there's times of
trouble, you go inward or maybe even celebration.
There's a time of celebration. You come into the castle town,

(01:00:21):
right? And then you celebrate in the
town square. I think you might be right.
I think there's this situation, this Solaf Del Mar, it's kind of
a whole region and people are inthe outer lands.
And then when they're ready to come in, or I don't know, or
maybe it is a walled city and there isn't that much.
It's just the the hub. It's like where they're situated
is what makes them popular. They said they don't take in
strangers. The doors probably barely go to

(01:00:42):
go open. The fact that they had to sneak
out Christina and Roberto to leave.
Every place we ever see says they don't take strangers in,
but they always end up taking inthe strangers.
So take that with a grain of salt because there's no telling
how many other people have showed up and they've been like
oh I'm sick, you can, I can helpyou, whatever.

(01:01:05):
Just because they don't let strangers in most of the time
doesn't mean it never happens. Well, that was the other reason
which made me think that Federico was not a bad guy
because he was so unrelenting. Rightfully so, like you said,
rightfully so. I think it's that it meant so
much to him, first of all. And he did.
Again, he's the mayor. He's trying not not to play

(01:01:26):
favorites, but because this is the law, this is the rule.
We don't let people in. We don't let outsiders in.
But he sees that Hassina was, ifnot for them, we wouldn't be
alive. And he loves his his his niece
again. He loves her so much that he
cheated on the Alfrenda. But that's just my own theory I
think. You're right.
And then not only did he give them the day which they asked
for, he gave them two days to heal up for good and get out of

(01:01:47):
here. I.
Was so worried that he was goingto be creeping on Justina or
whatever so I was so happy when it turned out he was just a nice
uncle. Uncle Fede, when they, when she
first he was like, Oh my, Oh my beautiful Justina and
everything. I was like, oh man.
But then it turned out. Was it the man bun?
Because sometimes it's the man bun.
No, it's. Just the way he was kind of

(01:02:08):
acting. Oh, my beautiful Justina, when
she first came back and I was like you, they were running away
from him or whatever. But that wasn't, it turned out
not to be that. I'm just, I'm glad.
I'm glad it wasn't that. Are any of these Spanish
speakers at all in any way? Very, very little.
Very little even. If you know a little bit of
Spanish, if you listen to what he's saying when he sees Hostina
again, right? OK, listen to this.

(01:02:29):
He says, Mira MI cono. He says this to Roberto.
He says, look at me, pussy. That was not in the subtitles,
OK? He says, look at me, you pussy.
I'm just saying what he said in Spanish, Mira MI cono.
OK, fine. I love the things that are not
brought into translation becauseit's cultural norm Cono is not a

(01:02:49):
cultural. I mean, maybe in Spain, but it
could have been translated, but it wasn't for a reason because
AM CUSA no bueno. So there's another thing though,
in the same sentence or like in the in the following sentence,
he says to hostina, you almost got killed.
MI Vida my life. That was not in the
translations. I just love little things like

(01:03:10):
that that give if you are a Spanish speaker, it gives it
color. If you're American, sometimes
you want to just get to the point, which is why they didn't
include it. Probably less is more.
I love the MI Vida in my life, which gave me like more of an
insight into how he regards Hasina.
She means a lot to him in ways he does not say in the English
language or in subtitles that weyou wouldn't know unless you

(01:03:33):
were Spanish. Speaker Vietnami Konya.
It's crazy. I wonder why they didn't
translate that, especially with Daryl going Evan foods great.
OK, they could have throwing in a pussy, I don't know.
If you guys have talked about this before, how are they
showing that? Because they're still showing
this on cable, aren't they? Yeah.
So are they censoring just, like, beeping it out?

(01:03:54):
Like, what are they doing for that?
No. Cable, just cable television,
you can swear now. I mean, it was like a norm to
not swear for the longest time unless you were a premium
channel like HBO or Showtime. And I think that was more of a
cultural fear. Yeah.
That you couldn't they're. Trying to play catch up with H,
keep up with HBO and the other premium channels because that's
what people want to hear, I guess.

(01:04:17):
Yeah, the big thing was broadcast channels.
Coming from The Walking Dead books like not just Negan, but
like even leading up to him likethere was swearing left and
right, especially F bombs and then obviously when Negan get
into like they can't do this character justice.
He swears with every other word and obviously they did that for
the Blu-ray, but not for Kate. I'll.
Say, I think that time in television you're coming off of
like Finely television started doing anti heroes and not more

(01:04:40):
of the swearing. But it's also the content, the
kind of violent content that youcan show on TVI think we're
still sort of navigating visual and audible sensitivities too.
I think we're still trying to figure out the line.
It's not just the general line that is that applies to all
shows, but I think it's also theline that what's come to be
expected of a show, like especially this kind of show,
when is it OK to show too much? When is it not OK to show too

(01:05:02):
much? That's a line I think they've
been flirting with. Not greatly by the way, I think.
I think they tend to show not enough.
After the lineup, so many peoplequit watching the show that they
had to tone it exactly 4 out of five people.
If you ask them why they quit watching the show, it's the
lineup that was a little too far.
Right. And So what do you do?
And it's not. It's the content itself, but

(01:05:23):
it's also the visual element of it even.
Game of Thrones was smart enoughnot to actually show Ned getting
his. Capitation of.
They, they showed birds flying and they showed his and they
showed his body blurred in the background, you know, like you
never really saw it. They did that for a reason,
because it's a shock, but you can deal with it.
But if you had seen it be so gruesome and disgusting, I

(01:05:45):
believe a lot of people would have stopped watching the show
right then because it was just, it would have been too much.
Yes, people who want to see violence and stuff, but you have
to have a a limit to what you show people in general not.
To wax philosophic on something that's happened a long time ago.
But I don't think they had a choice.
They they were damned if they did and they they're damned if
they didn't. Because if you pulled away, did

(01:06:08):
they have to show Glenn and his eye popping out?
There's an argument for that. But at the same time, that's not
the point. Point is that you need to feel
this. This is super shocking.
This is super horrible. And pulling away would lessen
the impact of how horrible it was to lose something.
So for someone so precious to you again.
They just went a little too far.Like you could show Glenn
bloodied and calling for Maggie and all that, but the eye was

(01:06:31):
just too far for most people. Like that was just too much.
And I get it because it grows. Like that's one of the reasons I
won't. I never watched the end of
season 6 or for most of season 7anymore because I hate that so
much now. Had it been a bad guy character
people probably wouldn't have cared as much, but since it was
a you have to balance that too. Would anybody care if we've seen

(01:06:51):
Joffrey Head get cut off? They.
Would have been cheering in the streets, right?
A counter to that is Oberyn Martel, who was a fan favorite
and they clearly showed his headsmushed into pieces.
They. Could have pulled away, but you
started to like him and they wanted to take him away in a
spectacular fashion, which again, that's what you have to
do. You have to do it.

(01:07:12):
You don't have to do it. But again, it's expectations to
be expected. This is what I was saying about
finding the line. It's because they had a trend of
showing terrible things, but it's who the terrible things
were happening to that matters, which it's again, it's a hard.
Are you logically consistent? If you don't apply that to all
people too, even you're the goodguys, because isn't that what

(01:07:33):
The Walking Dead about is about?Really?
It's horrible for everybody and you in some ways you find
sympathy with the devil, that sort of situation.
Not all bad guys are bad guys. Sometimes they're understood.
And so when they die, you're supposed to kind of be like, OK,
that's sad a little because they're people too.
Not all people are bad guys, like as in like evil just brings
us back around to the Negan thing.
Like I mentioned one more Daryl crappy thing, if everything he's

(01:07:55):
done is bad enough, he comes back to Carol the next morning.
She's she's feeling a little bitbetter.
It was after Guillermo Torres brings the stuff, they sleep for
the night in the McAllen and allthat stuff and the, the
medications. He brings this thing of of 6
cans of beans, right? He goes, I got beans for the hot
dogs, etcetera. Where do you think those came
from? Because Guillermo Torres says
the foodstuffs, he's bringing the foodstuffs in.

(01:08:17):
He stole the cans of beans. Oh yeah, 100.
Percent. From a town that's probably
starving, she asks, Did you steal those?
And he just moves past it. Like, yes, of course he
obviously stole those. He stole.
He so stole those. I'm kind of glad, OK, Remember
when Rachel said in the last episode I thought Carol might

(01:08:37):
have bit it like, oh, Carol, herplot armor suddenly melted away
and maybe she could die. It's kind of the same thing with
Daryl right now. Like maybe Daryl isn't the
greatest that I thought he was for all these seasons plus a
spin off. Maybe he's kind of a issue I'll.
Still watch him be a steal. He's not stealing beans to be
malicious. I'm assuming they're they're
going to leave and they want food when they leave or

(01:08:58):
whatever. So he's not taking the beans to
be like, oh, these people aren'tgoing to have any beans.
You know, it's, it's like. No.
Beans for. You just stealing stealing
because he feels like it like ohhopefully starve no, but it's
like banality of it it's like well maybe they'll starve maybe
they won't I don't care I don't care they.
Don't seem like they're starving.
They seem to pretty well. It's like neither does the

(01:09:19):
audience to a degree, but love is a hard thing to for an
audience to forgive. Meaning if you get in the way of
love, audiences don't react well.
I'm curious to know what other people think in the comments,
though. I'm curious to know if people
see what we're seeing, that maybe we're not liking what's
happening here. We're not liking this Daryl,
this. I don't give AFI.

(01:09:39):
Feel like this is just him, likewe got to go.
I want to just kind of be on this path and no more side
quests. But he's going to end up in the
side quests. It's going to happen.
Yeah, we all know what's. Going to happen because he can't
help himself he see all those people I.
Just want to say he's also not really dealt with Isabella's
death. Everything's been a rush since
she died. A lot of this might just be like

(01:10:00):
deflection or whatever, like he's like I.
AM. Upset.
Yeah. Projection.
Thank you. I'm upset.
So I'm going to do things just because I want to, and I don't
know how else to process this emotion.
I mean, to be fair, did he ever really mourn?
Overlay it. Leah Ehler.
He's got. Some chick.
Issues. Yeah, well, and then if I get

(01:10:21):
involved over and over again with women and they end up dying
or turning into terrible wraithsafter I meet them, is that what
it looks like to be the last manstanding?
This is This is why I wanted to go back to.
That doesn't sound great. Thanks for cursing me, Beth.
He. Had the right idea with with dog
because just have dog. And on that note, sexually or

(01:10:44):
like. No, we have to.
Talk about this. If you need, if you need to.
Just have dog. I'm like, well, this looks the
apocalypse, I'm not going to judge hot dogs.
Hot dog. Oh yeah, I call him Hot Dog now
for obvious reasons. What?
What? What?
What obvious reason? We don't know.

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What happened to Dog? Do we?
It's not. That obvious red rocket.
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