The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon |3x03 "El Sacrificio"

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It's really good today before mybattery runs out, we are here to
break down The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon's third episode of
its third season titled L Sachi Fisio Bridget.

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I said it right. Anyway, I have 2% battery left.
So the only thing I'll say is I am not going to be here because
it is air versus Shana. You need the eve of the first
night to Russia, Shana, which isthe Jewish year.
And so I have to leave in just about half an hour, which means
I will not sadly be able to be with you guys.
But I trust this episode in the capable by hands of Bridget and

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Rachel. And with that, I should probably
go. OK, bye everybody, See you
later. It's 2 minutes left.
Happy New Year. Love you guys.
See you in the comments, everybody else.
And he's gone. Yes.
And hi Sharon D in the comments.Sharon D is under the weather
and so she will be joining us via commentary only.
And so we will try to include her opinions as we keep going.

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So Dave's gonna make us do the thing.
He's not here, but we'll act like he's a angry ghost that's
haunting us. What does the title mean you
guys? It means to sacrifice.
Come on. Means what we give up to get
what we want. I guess I don't.
Yeah, yeah, that's what it means.
The I mean the dumb and obvious answer is obviously Justina

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right? She sacrifices herself or Alba,
the big thing, and then you know, there's teeny tiny little
sprinkles of sacrifices here andthere.
Darrell was sacrificing bits of himself to be colder and try to
get Carol home and himself and not helping people, although he
still can't seem to help himselfand ends up helping people

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anyway. True.
Yeah, it's like a great to. Help himself in the end, which
is OK. It might be partly because I was
slightly distracted while watching this episode, but it
felt a little slow paced. This episode.
Yeah. I probably have a different
perspective because as you know,the reason I wasn't here last

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week is because I didn't watch the episode in time and then
just proceeded to not watch it all week.
Which is very unlike me because usually I'll go back and watch
it because I'm like, I want to watch it.
So I watched both not back-to-back but one day after
the other. So I don't know that the second
one felt slow paced to me. It was a little bit slower than

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episode 2. I'm just going to go back really
quickly to the the episode titlething because Sharon, he said
that Daryl's sacrificing his worry about Laurent in order to
move along, which is true. I see the symbolism in it, but I
don't know if it's that easy to turn it off, to turn off the
worry. The symbolism is there, yes.
And sacrifice a piece of something that was Laurent's to

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hopefully in the hopes that he'sdoing well.
Also, they're giving these offerings to the statue in hopes
that the person that they're giving the thing for is going to
like, be OK, right? It's sort of like a prayer for
them. Is that?
So that's literally what Dave istalking about in the chat right
now. He's like Daryl's Rubik's Cube

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was a prayer in my own opinion, a ritual sacrifice.
And Sharon is saying a prayer for them to find their way,
because this St. Saint James is the patron St.
Of Lost things. Things, yeah.
In a world where people are lostvery frequently and easily, then
you are there to leave kind of the sacrifice behind or this
offering to the the St. in hopesthat this will help find their

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way home. Roberto, he mentions Darryl's
like, why, Why do they do this? And he's like, oh, I don't know,
peace, the hope, maybe like, which is funny because it's like
this old worldview, Daryl's liketrying to have hope and things.
And then, you know, even though he's been really cutting himself
off emotionally from a lot in hopes that he'll be able to

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like, make it through and kind of push through, there's this
cynicism to Roberto's youth. It's a different type of
naivety. Like, instead of it being naive
and, like, overly hopeful and overly romantic and all this
stuff, which he also kind of is,it's this idea that the world
sucks. Like, this is what I grew up in.
Is this the zombie apocalypse? Like, this place sucks.

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I don't know why they pray to this.
It's weird. It's clearly doesn't work.
You know, that's what That's kind of right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just people, something to hope for, a Peace of Mind in the
darkest possible world they can have, and to grab at anything
that gives them light they need to.
You know what I mean? Jeremy said that this is really
important for Daryl right now because he's so lost at the

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moment. Just tying it in more to the
Negan comparison, Roberto has apparently been ironed at some
point or Roberto's dad will comeback to that journey, but I
didn't even really think about that.
Honestly. I want to pull up the picture of
the statue so that we can see what is on the altar to Saint
James. The thing that we noticed

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immediately upon examining this offering is that there is a
jacket with the letters PPP on it.
Go ham, Internet. You're welcome.
And we were just talking about how there's lots of little
Easter eggs here. If you look over here, this
looks like this might be a Cherokee rose.
Over on the right hand side underneath this little Bush,

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next to this water bottle, there's also like a doll.
There's a framed photo of someone.
These look like croquet balls. I wish I could see a little
closer but. Yeah, I know there's some items
up here too. Up top there's like these.
It's like a little lighthouse. There's a Lantern here.
There's like a little bike figurine back here.

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It's all pretty rusty, so it's all looking like very much the
same color. There's like a little painted
pot back here. And then there's these Staffs
with seashells tied onto them, which is kind of interesting.
And then there's some more stuffdown here.
There's like another framed photo.
There's an umbrella. For some reason this looks like
one of those baby toys where it's like got the wooden spokes
and then there's like balls in it and you like roll it on the.

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Floor, that's kind of what? That looks like and then these
are jars, I assume for candles. This rock looks like it is
writing on it. I can't see anything that it
says. I can't believe I didn't see the
PPP jacket on 1st viewing. I really can't like that's such
a big and it's right in the middle of the frame.
Too, to be fair, because bright colors.
This this shot is only up for like a second and then it

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switches because I was having a hard time like getting to the
screenshot, pausing it to try todo it.
Not that it worked. You had to do it anyway.
But I did not see it. It wasn't until we went back and
I was like, we have to get a screenshot of this.
And I was like, holy crap, there's APPP jacket breaking
news. I mean, that is that is a big

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deal for them to put that there because obviously the Heath
thing and then seeing it in whatTales of The Walking Dead and
then this here, I'm wondering what this could possibly lead to
and it better. I want to see Heath come back
and like, have that mystery solved because that's such a
gaping hole in things that happened in the main series.
It is. Yeah, it is.
I know she's giggling because you said gaping hole, but.

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No, no, I'm laughing because it would be even funnier if no one
knows what this means but they keep putting it in random places
to drive us nuts. That's really like.
The theory is that like. They don't, but it actually
means nothing. Yeah, they don't actually have
an idea for it because PPP was pre Commonwealth, you know.

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So yeah, that's right Dave. We did find it on a whiteboard
in the Ones Who Live. I thought it was in World
Beyond, but maybe it is in the ones who live.
Not the ones who live. It was in Tales of The Walking
Dead, the episode that starred the guy who plays a train in the
Boys. He finds a card.
He had the card there. It's on a whiteboard in either
the Ones Who Live or will be on Season 2, and I don't remember.

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Dave's probably right and he's saying again, it was the ones
who live and it did say that it was a type of protocol to rescue
people in operations in the lastepisode, he said of the Ones Who
Live and Dave wanted to mention it's right in the opening and it
does pan up really quickly, Rob.So like, that's probably why you
missed it because I missed it too.
And sort of right, like none of us saw it.

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Dave didn't even see it. He saw it when he went back to
do the screenshot. So like we didn't see it in the
watch. I.
Don't feel as. Bad.
It's not super obvious, and the fact that no one else has posted
about it leads me to believe that it is I.
Haven't seen it. Either Sharon, he said that
Saint James as a legendary figure who helped the Spanish
defeat the Moors and El Alcazar is of Moorish descent.

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So that's kind of an interestinglittle piece of history.
I wish you were here to go into a full a full blown rant about
that honestly right now. Alcazar is the guy who is
basically king. Where he's from.
OK. Oh, Dave said he mentioned it in
the last episode. Well, fine, Dave.
Well, fine. You're right.

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You're always right. Get out of here.
Go celebrate the new year. You, you schmo.
OK, anyway, he says Al Alcazar stands for the palace or the
Kingdom. Oh, because he's the future of
the reign of the monarchy. They say that in episode 2,
Charity said. We're not talking about the
biggest sacrifice, which would be Isabelle.

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Not really a sacrifice. Like she sacrificed herself for
Laurent, is that what you're saying?
That's true, I guess she did sacrifice herself but like not.
I don't know if she intentionally sacrificed herself
though. I have to go back and watch that
again. Also she.
Wasn't in this episode. No, she's just listing off
through the storyline. So we can sit here for three

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weeks and list all the sacrifices that are made it
throughout the universe. That's true.
That's true. Specific to this episode,
Antonio is willing to turn a blind eye to Carol's typical
shenanigans, typical Carol, in order to like, maintain some
semblance of like a friendship there because she saved his son.
And he's willing to sacrifice one of his solar panels for

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that, which I'd be interested toknow if there's more than one
solar panel or if that was a liethat he told her.
Yeah, I have two. So you can take one, no big
deal. And he would be then sacrificing
really his only recreation, which is enjoying these old
movies that he salvage. And I'm so glad that you
mentioned Jerry because it was such a Jerry.
Honestly, it was like Ezekiel and Jerry, but it was like it

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was very much probably doesn't want to talk about Ezekiel, but
because maybe she's a little bitstill a little hurt over that
whole situation. Even though she, you know, she
left, it's still, you know, romantic feelings.
She left, but she didn't want tonecessarily leave.
She just couldn't stand to be there because of all the
situation anymore. So it was interesting to hear

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her talk about Jerry and yeah, Charity brought up.
I was like, didn't you risk yourlife for a light bulb?
Yes, Charity also said. I feel like Darrell has been
using concern for Laurent to keep mourning Isabel at Bay.
Sure, that makes sense. He doesn't want to face it.
Oh no, not at all. Head on.
But also it's it's compartmentalization.

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I've seen a lot of griping online already about like this
isn't like Darrell, Darrell helps people, blah blah, blah.
It's like, OK, I I get that Daryl does typically help
people. That's kind of how he's always
been, is like this underdog who was related to a blatant racist
and kind of a redneck D bag, youknow, in the first season.
Then all the sudden he became this underdog who's like willing

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to help people all the time. He's searching for Sophia when
nobody else is. You know, he's doing all of
these things in order to show that he is a good guy and that
he can be. He's human and whenever he goes
to a big loss he tends to shut down.
The biggest example I can think of is season 4 when the prison
gets attacked and they're all separated.
He's with Beth but he is very distant from her until they can

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kind of connect to like a drunk.But up until that point he
doesn't even want to talk to her.
He's just like, I'll keep you alive, but I'm emotionally
distant. He did the same thing after
Glenn's death, blaming himself like he was the failure.
And he does it a lot. We see that like all the time.
He is always fearful that like he's the problem or like he
could have done more to save everybody.
His that's just his coping and his reactionary system to that

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kind of trauma. Jeremy said faced with this
Negan like character Garibald, Ithink he's trying not to repeat
the mistakes that got Glenn killed.
He just wants to get out of there.
Yeah, I think that makes sense. The thing is, is like Daryl
feels like if he gets involved at this point because of the
type of person he is, he will beculpable for anything that goes
wrong, which isn't true because this is a whole mess that this
society has gotten themselves into.

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And in some cases, he's right. It's not our job to swoop in and
save everybody all the time if they have a system that works
for them. Just because we don't think it's
right doesn't mean that we need to like swoop in and save
everybody. That's not how the don't get me
started anyway. I mean, you could argue they've
been doing that and look where it look what's happened over the

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course of the entire series. When I tell you that I was so
shocked that neither Roberta or Justina died in this episode
because I was like, well, surelythey've made it so far.
They're going to. Die because.
That's just how this show operates.
Meet an interesting character. They're dead, Stephen Merchant.

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So I just kind of assumed that that was going to happen again
here. I'm like, oh, great.
They'll get involved and then it'll get both of them killed.
Or it'll at least get one of them killed and then they'll
bring a depressed Roberto with them to America.
How cool. So this is kind of just waiting
for that to happen. But hopefully that's not the
case. I don't want it to be the case.
Although clearly now they're going to be invested in Spain.

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Clearly something has some story.
Device has to keep them there. Well, now Roberto is not going
to help him finish fixing the boat until they go rescue
Justina, right? Correct.
Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's very accurate.
Do you think they'll get help from the captain because she
obviously likes Roberto and Justina?
Possibly, and it seems like she's got some friends there
with her too. We saw a couple of guys pop out

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with guns. So, well, yeah, they're a
throuple. There might be more, maybe
there's more people. That's true.
She might have a small army. She's got a harem.
I mean get. It girl and you the first time
we saw that reversal. Yeah, kind of.
Yeah. We even seen much of that Jadis
maybe it was like the only otherexample really of that.
Although what when the kiss scene popped up I was like whoa.

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Clearly she likes the second guymore.
No, I think I must have walked away.
Because she stayed kissing him. I missed that for a minute.
I was like, Dang girl, it got intense.
I was. Cooking dinner.
I missed something. Charity said.
I think this is where the rudderanalogy comes in.
Darrell is rudderless. He is usually so
straightforward, knowing what hewants to do, but now he's just

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kind of drifting with no real direction other than going home.
It's like his internal compass is malfunctioning to some
degree. I think that he's not wrong,
honestly, you could go, I get itright.
It would be right to do the right thing and help.
But also on the other end, they have other people waiting for

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them and counting and counting on them.
And yeah, it's, again, it's not really truly their fight.
Obviously the girls are upset with the status quo.
And I think we can all agree something else is going on.
Oh, yeah. When they go to live with
Caribou, these girls are not OK.I assume that they're being
offed in some way. I'm wondering if the Queen who's

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like with hottie with a hat as you put it, she's at the head of
the table and like, Oh no, it's perfect.
But like I'm wondering if she's in on and getting something out
of. It this concept of this Ofrenda
is only going to work for so long before people catch on,
because already you've got a guywho's like, it's been five
years, where's my daughter? I haven't seen her again.
So clearly people are starting to ask questions.

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If there are several of these villages that he's pulling
people from, which I don't know that there is, that's also
another thing I want to talk about.
I feel like he's lying. Eventually we're going to start
to ask questions and you've got to come up with a different
solution. The smart solution is you keep
one of the women and you bring her around to Gallivan, her
through the towns to say, see, this is what happens.
They get to travel. They get this nice life look,

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They have beautiful dresses. And so it kind of feels like,
yeah, like she's part of it. She's a piece of it.
She is meant to lie to these women.
Well, really girls, they're young, these girls, to kind of
have them come along quietly andso that the families don't start
to ask too many questions. It's funny that this episode was
called The Sacrifice because when we talked during the last

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episode specifically about whereare the daughters going, my
theory was that they were being sacrificed for something.
I would 100% believe it. I don't know what but something.
Yeah, I couldn't go past that. But I'm like, he's collecting
these women for something I don't know, bathing in their
blood. I don't know.
Yeah, he's just like a street freak.
Maybe. I don't really.
I don't really know. When he talks about how like I

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have other villages, something about it felt slightly off.
That's why I feel like he's lying about it and that there
may not be all these other villages, it might just be this
village. Because how would they know?
They're trusting his word, essentially.
And yeah, he's bringing them things like paprika and stuff
like that. But it could just be that they
stumbled upon like a stockpile of it somewhere or they've

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killed other villages and stolenall of their goods and then kept
them and now they're using thoseto like keep up this agreement
that he has. I'm not really sure why you
would try to keep this up. But if you're looking to stay in
young women, I guess, and this is a place where you can get
that readily, maybe the other villages or societies didn't

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have that. Maybe.
I don't really know. I mean, it could be a savior
situation where they're manipulating 3 or 4 different
communities all the same time. But it seems more likely that
he's lying. Something about the way he was
talking seemed. Oh, I think that's a given.
It's going to end up that he's lying himself because otherwise
if he's completely straight faced and he's telling the
truth, that defeats all the conflict in the story going

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forward. That's true.
Plus I feel like there's no way that he's actually royalty.
That's a lie. Oh yeah, he has.
No link to the royal family. That's just something he
made-up. Anybody could make that up.
I could make that up. I'm royalty now.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
We've seen it before. Didn't Sherry give herself to
Negan to save Dwight? Now Justine is sacrificing

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herself to save Alba, but also to a swasher.
Survivor's guilt. It's it's really just the
survivors guilt honestly. I read that as sausage.
A sausage. To like.
To sausage. To sausage.
Her survivor's guilt. I'm like, well, that's new.
It's like way over there and it's super teeny tiny.

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I mean technically it is sausage, just with the letters
jumbled up. It is the same letters.
It is, that's just how my brain works.
Can't help it. But yes, the more I I think
about it and then when I'm actually paying attention, there
are a lot of similarities between the Negan storyline and

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what's happening all over the place here, really.
I want to talk about the walkersin the ocean and how did.
They. Fight a current to get back out
of the water to. Run.
I don't know. There's a screenshot that Dave
wants me to share in regards to this.
Now Dave claims I do not take ownership of this.
Also, Dave, you spelled Jason Voorhees wrong and I just want

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you to know that Dave claims that this Walker here in the
middle and the right is meant tolook like Jason Voorhees from
the first Friday the 13th movie.I am going to say firm disagree
on this. He's talking about this.

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I in particular the fact that these aren't even now
technically, I think you could make the argument that is it the
angle that you're looking at. I get it.
There's also a flannel. This is gnarly.
I'm obsessed with this. Actually the.
Barnacles. Yes, actually I'm more obsessed
with this part right here. This is disgusting.

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I love it, but I don't know. OK, so Sharon is saying, they
did say that they would be having a Jason Voorhees Walker
this season, so this might. Be it.
It's a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
If he had come up behind Robertoand grabbed Roberto like around
the neck, then I would have beenlike, Oh yeah, definitely.

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That was Jason Voorhees moment. That's what happens in this
scene where Jason Voorhees showsup like this ridiculous first
movie. Jason Voorhees is crazy.
It's like a fake ending because it's like a nightmare wake up
situation. And Sharon D is now saying, I
thought it was supposed to be later in the season.
They would do the more recognizable Jason with either

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the hockey mask or something like a hockey player died and
look like. That kind of thing.
Hold on, I'm going to call in anexpert here.
Oh, OK, I'm interested. So there's a specific scene
where Jason's mask gets cracked open.
I'm trying to get a hold of my Friday the 13th expert here.
Hey, which Friday the 13th movieis with the psychic girl and

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Jason? OK thank you.
So. I love the the immediate answer
is. Well, we're talking about it in
that movie. There's a scene where his mask
cracks open and you get a good look at his gnarled face.
That's what I would expect the Walker to look like.
That's fair and and Sharon is also saying she also thought it

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was supposed to be a later version of Jason.
So like an adult version of Jason?
Which is what you were mentioning.
She already also said that during the scene.
She 100% was sure that Roberto was going to get it for real.
I was like Roberto. For sure.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. A lot of these walkers took me
back to the, well Walker too that.

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Almost heavily bloated. Yeah.
Heavily, heavily bloated. I will say, like Dave, if we
don't see another one, I'll giveit to you.
I showed just the Walker photo to Travis because like those
aren't his favorite horror movies, but he does really like
the Friday the 13th movies. So I was like, I just showed it
to him. I didn't prompt him.
I just said, does this remind you of anyone?
Because I just wanted to see what he would say.

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Because to me, I saw them together and I was like, I don't
know. And he was like, no, So that I
was like, Oh, well, Dave saying is supposed to be Jason Voorhees
that I showed him like I like zoomed out and he's like, so it
didn't click for me. And that's the thing being a

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horror fan, there are certain things that I know that like
Rachel and I have seen in Walking Dead IP that we've been
like, oh, that's supposed to be this or like that's a reference
to this or this reminds me of this horror movie.
There's been several of those that we got.
So like I didn't notice it during the episode.
I thought the bloated walkers looked amazing.

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Super disgusting, slimy, good, really good.
Oh, thank you Sharon D quote. Greg Nicotero confirmed that a
zombie modeled after Jason's look in the final chapter will
be featured later in the season.OK, so definitely an older
version of. Jason Yeah.
Is that one of the movies? Yeah.
Yes, Friday the 13th, the final chapter. 7.

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Ask your expert. Silas.
The article's on Collider. Thank you, Sharon.
Is Friday the 13th 7 the final chapter the 4th 1 the 4th?
Oh, OK. Yeah, wasn't really the final
chapter who played. Jason, in that one, what year
did it come out, 19? 84.
OK. Thank you.
I love this. Thank you, Silas, our expert.
I love it. I love it so good.

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That was great. I just want to ask him questions
now. He can tell you anything about
any of the Friday the 13th, OK? He can tell you every action
that's played, Jason. We're done.
We're done with Daryl Dixon and now we're just asking Silas
Friday the 13th questions. I love that.
Was there anything else that youwanted to talk about, Rob?

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With that, it was just the logistics of them being able to
fight the current and be able topop up back out of the water was
a little like. I'm sure Sharon D appreciates
this the Jaws POV. Yes, yes, the jaws of it all.
I thought it was going to be a shark.
I did not. I would have preferred a shark.
I would have, yes, I would have rather it been a shark because

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to me the camera angle made it look like they were swimming.
Walkers don't swim, and this thing was to the.
Floor because the water wasn't very deep there.
Based on this camera angle. There's lots of coral and like
rocks and like other formations,variant walkers.
Variant walkers, yeah. Very.
Swimmers. In Europe, OK, we've got we've

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got a swimmers, the new variant.And I could see to some degree,
maybe the current kind of causing, like, a crawl, but then
they have to stay below the waterline.
I mean, it was very dramatic. Oh, yeah.
See, I love when this happens, and it happens so rarely now
when we watch these shows. But my hands were like this.

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And I was like, Oh no, no, no, like cuz I felt like something
was going to happen. And then there's like walkers.
Then all the sudden you hear like the rustling on the beach
And I was like, oh, this is going to be so bad.
So I was just like waiting for something to happen.
And that is rare now cuz we've been.
So after years of being subjected to this torture, I
stopped feeling. Along the way.

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And, and so it finally gave me like the jittery like, and I get
really excited when that happens, when the walkers are
actually scary and it's not likethe people that are scary.
They want to give Daryl not as Mace, but they're like, hey,
let's do something similar like you did from the last two
seasons. I.
Had like a more. To be an anchor on a chain,
right? Let.
Me give you something else I do what to say when he was swinging

(27:07):
it around I was like this is just cool you just.
Look cool. Norman, you're like in your 50s.
I don't know how you still look cool.
You just do. Just looking like a badass.
He is. I was yelling at Roberto the
whole time when he dropped the rudder and I'm just like.
Pick it up just. Pick it up and they're like,
he's like. Leave it, we'll find.
Another one I'm like it's. Right there, just.

(27:29):
Grab it. Can't you just wait like a
second until you guys like kill those walkers and then you could
go grab it? Does this have to happen in the
order that you're doing it? There's all these ones on the
beach. I'm like, just let Daryl kill
those and then you can go take the ones out in the water
because they're like stumbling all over the place.
And then you can grab the rudder.

(27:49):
It's a piece of metal. I'm sure it dropped.
I guess I never really thought about it until now, but
Roberto's LED a relatively sheltered life if he's this
afraid of Walker's still. Yeah, there's like, they hold on
this shot of his face when the Walker starts to come out of the
water and he, like, backs up to hide, like behind Daryl.

(28:10):
And that was all I could think was, kid, you were going to get
you and Justina killed. You were not ready to leave.
You have no idea what you're doing.
I don't know how that is wild tome in this world, how you
haven't been prepared because I assume you go out on scavenging
trips and stuff like that. Or I don't.
Know I guess, maybe not I. Might just do farming inside the

(28:31):
walls. Which I mean, he knows the woman
at the lighthouse, so he knows some.
People that's true area that's. True.
But still, this is concerning. It brings me back to the
conversations that we had about Gracie versus Judith.
Yeah, sure. Dad said they went scavenging
before because they used to scavenge for the film canisters.
Oh, that's right. And he was younger been.
Around this, when you were a kid, like, how are you still

(28:54):
afraid? And granted, you should have
some level of fear because when you lose that fear, that's when
you get stupid and you make mistakes, right?
We've seen that, too. Look at Carl.
Yes, Right. Yeah, I'm fine.
It's not a big deal. Also, they'll never replace me.
I make it all the way to the endof the comic books.
It's fine. No, terrible.

(29:16):
I know whenever I see the pictures of like comic book Carl
at the end when he's like an adult and I'm like.
We could have had this. And he took it away from us.
Not once, but twice they went togive Henry Carl's story and then
killed him anyway. Yeah, I.
Know you guys keep taking it. You just, you just reel me into
like take it away over and over.OK, so Shirini brings up a good

(29:39):
point. Maybe there just aren't a lot of
walkers because they are all in tree nuts because they're
getting like, caught. Maybe.
Well, we saw that Walker pit. That's true.
So maybe the horned people are like Walker killers.
Yeah, that actually popped in myhead this episode.
I was like, what happened to those people?
Yes, I haven't seen them yet. Where are those?
People. Who are those people?

(30:00):
Where are they? Because they stole like
everything out of the boat. So like, where did those people
go? Yeah, I mean somewhere.
And then something tells me they're going to pop.
Up Lighthouse woman's people. And I doubt it's one of these
other villages that Guillermo's visiting.
No, I don't see them giving up one of their daughters.
I. Don't see that, but we don't
know much about them to be fair.Guillermo shows up and he's

(30:22):
like, give me your girls. And they're like I'm.
I'm calling it now, I I still think that they're going to end
up being an ally to Daryl and Carol in some way.
I agree they made them look too terrifying immediately, which
when I see somebody who's supposed to be scary I'm like
Nah, they're cool. Didn't that kind of happen with
the people in Central Park, in Dead City?

(30:43):
Yes, and it happened with tattooface from the first season,
Quadrone. Right from the beginning I was
like, Nah, he's a good guy. He did.
He wanted to be a good guy, yeah.
Yeah, We still don't know what'sgoing on with him.
No. Is he ever gonna come back?
Around out there. Some cuz like.
I mean, he's theoretically stillover in France or London over

(31:04):
there. I.
Assume, though, that that's something is gonna come back
from that storyline. Well, I assume that the lady who
took over for the main villain from the last two seasons was
gonna be a main player this season going forward.
Just as they're leaving to try to come back to America.
Like it'll all culminate together.
Not the lady that died. No, her like Lieutenant took
over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(31:24):
The other lady. OK, Yeah, I got.
You. I don't remember her name.
I can't remember her name either.
It's me, but my wife called her square head.
I mean, when you say that, I know who you're talking about.
We can call her Lieutenant Square Head if Charity says if
we're calling stuff. I said Carol likes dudes with
cats. Yeah, there's definitely some
sort of intimate connection there.

(31:48):
Darryl's heavy in grief. Heavy in grief right now.
Carol is finally moving out of her grief after how long she's
been grieving since season. Forever.
Yeah, in Season 2, really, because like, we don't count AD
because he was a scumbag. But from season 2 on, she's
grieving essentially the whole time.

(32:08):
You can assume in the time jump there is time in which she's not
and she's kind of living like a happier life.
The fantasy we don't. See any of that?
She would kind of come out of grief and then immediately lose
another child and go right back into it truly over and over and
over again. Daryl's like so hardened right
now, but Carol's finally openingup a little bit.
It's first season Carol and tellit to the Frogs.

(32:29):
Oh yeah, it's that Carol, not the part where Ed is horrible,
but like the part where she likemakes the joke about her, you
know, her personal massager. It's it's Carol in that scene.
That's the glimpse that we're seeing is that Carol arguably
she's much wiser. She's gone through a lot more,
but it's a glimpse at that like kind of lighter Carol, who she

(32:54):
like can be, not when she's pretending to be it, but like
genuinely. I think Antonio's a lot sweeter
on her than the other way around.
I still see her hesitating a little, actually a lot.
That makes sense. That makes sense.
But it was interesting for her to try to get more information
out of him and for him to be like, I think we know each other
well enough. And I was like, whoa, I was.

(33:15):
Like, well, you're leaving soon anyways.
Cool dude. Wow.
He comes back later and makes her dinner and you know,
everything else. And clearly there's some mutual
feeling because otherwise she wouldn't have.
She honors it. She watches the movie with him.
She eats dinner with him. There is some level of at least
tolerance. I don't know, it feels like she
likes him a little bit. He's like an attractive guy.

(33:36):
But it's got to be scary too, right?
I mean, it's terrifying to go through what she's gone through
and then to see the potential ofanother romantic interest in
front of you and think, what's the point?
I know. And what's even more curious is
this is not the guy that we saw the promo shot of where she's

(33:56):
like 1 inch from that guy's face.
I didn't see that that's. Like a totally different.
Guy, are they this close in a it's romantic center or is it
like you have no idea? Oh OK you have no idea because
it could be like a stare down like it could try me MF her.
It looked a little bit like it. Maybe it wasn't.
I don't think I've seen this. I I don't know to what you are.
Actually, they're going to call this season Daryl Dixon, Carol,

(34:19):
The Bachelorette. And she's just like, she's gonna
like, find many dudes. A party, people.
It's your friend Dave chiming inas I edit this episode.
And just wanted to let you know that as much as I love the idea
of a Carol Bachelorette spin offor that this season will look
like that, the man whom she is very up close and personal with

(34:40):
is in fact Antonio. We actually have a clip of this
in our reels and on social media, which we got from our
breaking News Live stream from San Diego Comic Con this year,
2025. It made the cut.
I highly suggest you check that out as some of the things that
we will end up speaking on are things that we sort of predicted

(35:00):
regarding the season, especiallywhen it comes to the walkers in
Nets. I now bring you back to our
regularly scheduled podcast discussion.
I'm going to throw it out there because I I for me personally, I
just kind of need to say it and maybe I can feel differently
about it next time. It's not a good feeling.
So far this season, to me, our focus has not really been

(35:23):
Darrell and Carol. It's all these other characters.
Don't get me wrong, they're interesting characters, but I
just, for me, the focus is whereI want it.
And maybe that's selfish, but that's just how I'm feeling,
right? No, there's much more focus on
theme. The theme of grief.
It's the theme of hope. It's the theme of love.

(35:44):
Because there's like all of these love stories and the
loneliness versus being together.
So there's like Stephen Merchant's character waits too
long, and so then he's alone andlike he's looking to find love.
Then there's Justina and Roberto, who clearly are in
love. Not even romantic love either,
but there's this is between and her mom, between Fede and

(36:05):
Justina. So that's just how I'm feeling
right now. Now we got four more episodes to
go. Yeah, it could change, but I I
understand what you're saying because it does feel like we're
getting like a lot of big picture, but I'm wondering if
these last two episodes have really just been the setup for
us to get into now finally like this story.

(36:27):
Because it's too. Right now, it's too much Daryl,
like hedging on the edge. Something has to happen to bring
him in. Otherwise this is just like a
weird dynamic for the rest of the season.
And yeah, granted, Carol's goingto be the thing to drive him in.
Obviously he doesn't care about anything else.
He's like, I just want to get her home.
That's all I'm trying to do right now.
Daryl is a feral cat that someone brought into the house

(36:48):
right now and he is just lookingfor any means of escape.
It's just quote Joe the claimer.Yes.
I mean, Joe. My Hero Joe the Claimer Joe the.
Claimer he's. All of my top five lists.

(37:09):
He is played by an absolute babe.
Just saying. Oh, yeah.
Oh, Jeff Coburn. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, gosh. Why?
Yes, sober. The older you get, the better
looking you are. Explain that to me.
It is not fair that men get to do that.
Not me, not been getting worse, don't worry about it.
No, it's starting to sag. That's all that's happening.
Women go this direction. Men go this direction.

(37:32):
I'm melting and I don't know whyand I don't like it.
No SO. Do you guys want to talk about
these flashbacks? Do you want to get the
flashbacks out of the way these Darrell?
Wait, I only saw one, Did I missanother one?
There's only two images. It's really fast.
I don't blame you for. But it's all in the same.
It's all in the same. So I did see it.
So one, I want to talk about thefact that it's official now.

(37:53):
Last time it was a dream. This was a waking moment.
This time, granted, it's still hasty.
It's kind of dreamlike, but I don't know.
Gimple, Scott Gimple, what do you have to say for yourself is
what I want to know because you said never and yet here we are.
David's able said that few ScottGimple I'm using the story

(38:14):
device 2 images. Daryl is in both of them
obviously, which there was kind of like a disagreement about
this during the first episode recording.
Dave had stated I can't with this arrow.
And also, why did you pick Pirate as your font type?
Because that's the fun of. Black eye.

(38:35):
That's the. Fun he uses for our Darrell
Dixon OHK. OK, thank you for that.
Because I was like, this is a weird choice.
You might as well pick Comic Sans.
Anyway, there was kind of a disagreement.
Dave thought maybe the child in the first episode flashback
slash dream sequence was actually Merle.

(38:57):
Now we kind of talked about it. We're like, I don't know.
I'm not 100% sold on that. No, I said the same thing.
It would be OK if it was Merle. It didn't have to be though.
And this just goes to prove likethis is kind of weird for a
flashback because it's not pointof view.
No, it was though the kid that we said was Merle was talking to
the camera, which would have been Daryl.

(39:18):
This is the same kid running andsomeone is screaming Daryl after
him so I don't know. I don't think that's the same
kid because the other kid lookedolder.
You think so? I find it hard to tell honestly.
The only reason I say that is because to me this kid kind of
looks like Bud Court when he wasyounger, which is what I said
about the other kid. But anyway, you'll notice a

(39:39):
black eye as you can see with this giant arrow, and he's
running away. There was yelling in the
background like Daryl, get back here or hey, hey, Daryl.
It's on the subtitles on the bottom.
And then you can see in the background here, someone is
coming after him out of this RV Interesting, because this kind

(40:00):
of looks like the Winnebago. It's not the Winnebago,
obviously. It's very similar.
It's very, very similar. All right.
Can you see? The kid in the new shot has
longer hair, yeah. It is a different kid.
OK, Thank you, Rachel. It is a different kid.
They're wearing different jackets, different clothes.
OK, so this is Daryl. So what's interesting about

(40:20):
that? Why is he watching it not?
From his outside point of view. I'm a third person.
Yeah, it's weird. That's an unusual choice.
It's weird, I think they just asa storytelling device, they just
want to show younger Daryl. I guess I feel like you could
have also gotten away with the point of view of motion camp
kind of running away and then maybe like turning back and
seeing angry dad and then like continuing to run.

(40:42):
And you can do things like have the heavy breathing over it so
you can tell that they're running and trying to get away
or whatever. Like there could have been
another way to do this. So I just think it's an
interesting. Choice run by and look in a
mirror at some point. Yeah, it's not the end of the
world. It's just that, like, I don't
know, what are we doing here? What are we doing here?
OK, so this is just like a fun fact about Norman Rita.

(41:03):
I recently watched an interview with him and he was talking
about Scott Wilson after Scott Wilson had passed.
Scott Wilson played Herschel forthose of you who don't know
Herschel Green senior. So you have to make that
clarification. Well, the.
Other one's Herschel Ree. Yes, correct.
That's true. He's talking about Scott Wilson,
and he's saying that he has always kind of gravitated

(41:24):
towards men of that age because they're about the same age as
his father. And during that interview, he
mentions the fact that he becamereally close with Kris
Kristofferson. Singer, actor, really big in
like the 70s, Totally handsome man.
If you want to crush from the 70s, Kris Kristofferson is your
man. He was in The Highwaymen, which

(41:44):
is also like a weird tie in to Walking Dead because that was
the name of one of the groups. Highwaymen are musical group is
Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson,Willie Nelson and Sharon D Help
me. Oh, I want to say it's like
Merle Haggard, but I don't thinkit is.
Yes, he was in the second version of A Star Is Born with
Barbra Streisand. Because the first one was Judy

(42:05):
Garland and somebody else I don't remember.
But he was in the second Waylon Jennings.
Waylon Jennings, that's it. Thank you.
Anyway, he's kind of, like, wellknown for that era.
Him and Norman Reedus became quite close on a set.
And what's interesting to me is that in this flashback photo, I
just need you guys to see this. This looks like kind of like
Kris Kristofferson. And I just need you to see that.

(42:25):
OK. So just take a look at this
angry man back here with the long hair.
Just look at his build. OK.
All right, now, hold on. I've got to do this.
I was like looking at it and I'mlike, wait a second.
You're going to look like Kris Krusoffe.
This isn't like the greatest photo, but I'm just going to,
I'm just going to give you like a sampling.
Why is he shirtless in everything single photo?

(42:46):
I don't know. I did search it, but it's I
didn't actually mean to do that.OK, He is an attractive man, but
I didn't mean to pull up shirtless photos of him.
I promise. We believe you.
You don't like, No one believes me.
I'm not convincing at all right now.

(43:06):
Everyone's like. She had these saved on her
computer. She's pretending to search the
Internet right now. This.
One isn't very big, but you can kind of see the shaggy hair,
like very similar, similar cut. Okay.
Also, this one is small for somereason.
OK, kind of the same build. I don't know something about
him. Why are those so tiny?
I don't know. Can I find a larger room maybe?

(43:27):
Can't you just see him yelling Darrell though?
Oh yeah, Yep, I can't. But that guy had a shirt on, so
he needed to take his shirt off to know for sure.
That's. True.
I'm gonna I'm producers, I'm gonna need you to take care of
this for. Me take that shirt off and then
we can really do a comparison. Have you guys seen his shirt is.
On it's just open here, but like.
Oh, there you go that. Like, yeah, like squint, like

(43:49):
back up and squint and look at that.
And like that looks like the guyback up and squint.
Have either of you seen The Black Phone?
That horror movie that came out?Black phone.
It's about this kid with 100 black phones, a Stephen King
story. But the short end of it is the
father in that is an abusive father.
Looks exactly like that. Oh, interesting.
So it looks like someone who could be Daryl's father in that

(44:11):
sense. Like abusive alcohol and stuff
like that. Interesting, Sharon, he said.
He was also a Rhodes scholar whowent to Oxford.
Because obviously I was just objectifying the man so.
Let's not forget he has a brain,Bridget.
And a helicopter. So he's brain and talent.
He's the whole. Package.
Yeah, obviously. And he's sadly passed away.

(44:33):
So he's for you. Oh, perfect.
He's for you, Rachel. Right up my alley.
Let's talk maybe briefly, maybe not so briefly about Rick Grimes
brother being confirmed this episode.
I'm waiting. I'm.
Waiting. OK.

(44:54):
All right. I missed something OK, please
tell me. It was a deep.
It's a deep. It was it was one of those if
you know, you know, OK. Well, I've read the Alien, so I
maybe I just wasn't paying. Enough attention.
Great. So yeah, OK, and we'll mention
the alien again. I've mentioned it several times
on the show because honestly, it's one of the best pieces of
The Walking Dead comic in my opinion.

(45:16):
It's great single shot comic nowavailable really everywhere in
hardcover because it was so successful about a brother that
Rick Grimes has who was traveling abroad at the time of
the fall and he is in Barcelona.Barcelona.
If you're pretentious like Dave,then you'll say Barcelona.
Barcelona. And by pretentious, I mean I'm a

(45:37):
white person living in America, so I'm not going to do that,
sorry. While Antonio is changing out
Carole Bandage, he says something about Barcelona 1st
and then she says, oh, a friend of mine had a brother who was
over there before all of this and I was like.

(45:59):
That's great, but like why? Why make that the deep cut like
you've never mentioned it in themain show?
No, I know. I think that's kind of like the
fun thing about it is that it's like a tiny little mention.
So anyone who has read the Alienhas kind of been waiting for
this. We've been waiting since Darrell
started. They're in Europe now.
Are we going to get to find out what happens to?

(46:19):
Jeffrey. Jeffrey, thank you.
I was like, hold on, let me grabit.
It's literally right behind me. Is Jeffrey Grimes in this
universe or not? Is this something that they are
deciding to do or are they cutting this out?
While we didn't get confirmationthat it's Rick's brother, we
don't know. They say it just quick enough
that you're like, I read that like, so like it's kind of a
nothing burger really. Like we don't, you know, it's

(46:41):
not really anything, but it is exciting.
And if you like the alien, then you were like obviously excited
to hear it. I was ecstatic.
Actually go back and watch it and catch that myself because
like, I'd miss that entirely. For a long time I thought that
it was in Carl's letter to Rick that he mentioned like his
uncle, but I think he mentions his aunt.

(47:02):
I have the letter but I've read it before on the show and I
don't think it actually mentionsUncle Jeffrey.
Be a lot cooler if it did. Yeah, I can't say I remember him
mentioning it on and Uncle at all.
And Jeffrey shows up at the end of the season played by Andrew
Lincoln. No SO.
They're twins. No, no, it's got to be.
It's got to be Tony Goldwyn. Who's that?

(47:23):
Oh. Look at that was off the top of
my. Head Tony Goldwyn.
Yeah. Oh gosh, he's been in a bunch of
stuff. Did you watch Scandal?
No, not really. No, Aunt Evie, that's who's
mentioned. Oh, OK.
Because I have I always show this.
I have this piece by I. Can see him being a brother to
Handy. By Robin.
Roberton, unfortunately. Especially younger photos of

(47:43):
him. Holy crap.
He's passed away. Yeah.
That's like the perfect casting.Oh, my gosh.
He's got Jeffrey. He's technically younger.
Well. In the comic they've changed a
lot of things up, so. Yeah, you can do whatever you
want at this point. Yes, he was the bad guy in
Ghost. Thank you, Shandy.
Which is y'all? Also catch the interview with
Andy where he confirmed that they're talking about his future

(48:06):
in The Walking Dead. No, he did an interview with his
castmate from the stage show he's in.
Would you ever go back to it? So it's a.
Huge. Part of your life, Yeah.
Well, they there's a. Conversation happening right
now, but I'm really enjoying working with this lovely lady
here and this this brilliant cast and, and I and it's lovely
to sort of shake it up and do different things.

(48:28):
OK, OK. That's.
Awesome. Commonwealth is in Ohio.
Verified. Yeah.
Thank you for that charity. So Daryl does ask, like, have
you ever heard of Ohio? And so we finally get
verification that the Commonwealth is indeed in Ohio,
which is, I thought it was confirmed too, but now that
you're saying that, I'm second guessing myself.
Either way, it's just final confirmation that it is in Ohio.

(48:50):
We might have just been so sure of it that there was no.
We we were very. We were very, yeah, there was no
question we did not need the verification, but that.
I mean, I kind of figured it wasas far from the journey that
Ezekielman had to take to get there, but I never really knew
where it was. Okay, so yeah, we assumed it was
in Ohio. Carol got some wine from Ohio,
but they never specified it. Okay, so that makes sense.

(49:13):
We'll let you go to bed though. Rachel, thank you for being
here. Love you guys.
Good. Night.
OK, so real quickly, there's oneother screenshot that I have
that Dave got us, and it's because I specifically asked for
it. I really wanted to show
Justina's ribbons that she had embroidered.

(49:35):
She's avoided being the ofrenda 6 years.
Well, this was the 6th. They had mentioned five years,
but obviously then there's the six.
Of. Brenda, So I just wanted to see,
so these are all of the different ribbons.
And so the assumption that we'veall made is that Tio Fede is
pulling these and swapping Justina out for whoever.

(49:58):
Now, it's interesting that there's six of them.
So does that mean he's always saved them because he loves her
and cares about her and so he wants to save them and and
remember that this is a year that she avoided the Ofrenda.
Or is it that he is intentionally saving her from
the Ofrenda? Then that brings me to another
question, Rob. Does he know what's happening to
the girls? I would say he probably does in

(50:20):
order for him to be doing that or he wants to at some point
hold it over her. I got the impression that like
he wants to control her in some way.
So to say, like I've been doing this for you for however long at
some point and you know, how dare you try to leave me or
whatever just to have that in his back pocket.
It's just a thought I had. I don't know if that's the way
to go. Charity did bring up.

(50:41):
He did promise to take care of her to his brother.
OK. The grandmother mentions that
the boiler also, you would want to keep your only family close,
which is fair. There is some level of control.
I wonder though, like again, they're young, they're very
naive. You remember Rob wasn't that
long ago for you what it's like.Oh, I appreciate you saying
that. And.

(51:02):
How how dumb you are when you'reyoung and especially when you're
in love and how sure you are of everything.
And it's like, but like, like probably not.
It's probably not going to be the person for you.
I recall how dumb I was. So I wonder if that's not part
of it. Because I talk to teens now

(51:24):
because there are like teen children of people that I work
with and stuff and they'll tell me about like their boyfriend.
And I'm like, OK, because in my mind I'm just, it's like, you
just never know how that's goingto go.
You know what I mean? Like it's just like you're young
and, and it's, it's probably notthe love of your life, maybe.
First one always seems like it'sgoing to be, but it usually
doesn't work out that way. Yeah, I I fell in hard for a guy

(51:47):
who is, I don't know, maybe not even alive anymore.
Honestly. He wasn't taking care of
himself, so God only knows your frontal lobe is nowhere near
close to fully developed. You're crazy at 13 to 20.
You're like, really? I would say it's like 11 to 12
to 28. Yeah, just about there.

(52:08):
You're like in between there, you're just all hormones.
Hormones and adrenaline and stupidity, honestly.
My 20s were just a roller coaster.
It's. Fine.
Same for me. It continued into my 30s.
So you just never know. My frontal lobe took longer to
develop, I think because I was making really stupid decisions.
But what are you going to do? So I could see, I could see

(52:32):
there being like a level of protection there.
Plus he knows that if she's in the city limits, he can keep her
safe. And based on what we saw with
Roberto and the way that he interacted with the walkers, I
don't think they would have beensafe had they gone out.
They're out for less than a day and they run into El Alcazar's

(52:52):
men are going to kill them. So like they would have lasted
no time at all. Or they at least would have
killed him and done whatever else they wanted.
And I don't remember if it's this episode of the episode
before, but Carol says somethingabout like, where would we be
without them? He's like, well, they would be
dead because had he not interfered, they would have
died. Like that was that was what was

(53:14):
going to happen. They had no other plan.
So really, he's not wrong. Like all he did was save them.
They're they're lucky to be there because otherwise they
honestly wouldn't have been and no one would have known because
Darrell and Carol wouldn't have been there and it would have
just happened in the, you know, whatever.
And that would have been the endof it.
Although they probably would have killed Roberto and then
taken Justina. That's what I was just saying,

(53:34):
like they would have killed him and just done whatever the hell
else they wanted with. Her.
Dave left me a list. Dave did also mention the thing
about Ricks brother he said or one would assume that is Ricks
brothers. And then Dave commented.
In my humble opinion, almost wish she didn't say anything at
all. Where's Heath?
Which then is doubled down on bythe PPP jacket.

(53:55):
So, so I don't know. There was another thing that
Dave wanted me to mention. He did also mention the Daryl's
past in the flashback. Daryl did actually run away.
Now again, that story has been told in The Walking Dead proper.
We knew that story that Daryl had run away.
There's a couple instances in which he runs away.
There's one story in particular that he tells in which he says

(54:16):
that he essentially like lived in the woods for a while, for a
few days at least. Really running away and doing
that over and over again is kindof what trained him to know as
much as he did about living off of the land.
To be a wilderness man, being able to survive on just his wits
and skills alone. Exactly.
And to not wipe with Poison Ivy.Thank God they wanted us to

(54:38):
mention the Rubik's Cube. So the Saint James statue, which
is gorgeous, by the way, I just want to mention the statue
itself is very beautiful. And then like it's positioned
with the water behind it. It's, it's really gorgeous.
Darrell stops there on the way back after the rudder incident
and drops off a Rubik's Cube. Now Roberto says, what is that?

(55:01):
I'm assuming because he's never seen a Rubik's Cube.
I just want to mention that because, like, when would he
have seen it? I mean, they're plastic pieces
of junk. They last for an eternity.
I don't have one laying around here.
I don't know. Maybe I would stumble upon one
in the apocalypse, but I am not really sure.
Only if you rate a Cracker Barrel.

(55:22):
I'm going there to get the peg game for my own entertainment.
Except they made it nice. Now it doesn't call you an
ignoramus anymore. So.
I know I. Cracker Barrel, you're
disappointing. You need to toughen up kids, OK,
It's fine to bully them with a pack game.
They should know what that feelslike, frankly.

(55:43):
We were fine. We got bullied by a pack game,
and we're fine. Yeah.
So when he doesn't know what it is, this is just like this weird
colorful object that you're leaving on this altar.
Also, Daryl just kind of mentioned maybe he's found
something else by now, like another toy to play with.
Hopefully he's made it back and he's with Judith and taking
friends. And I hope that too, because

(56:05):
we've gotten kind of so deep into what's going on with this
storyline. And again, this this kind of
brings up Rachel's point again about it not really focusing on
Daryl and Carol as of right now because I did kind of forget.
I know that Laurent's like out there, but like, I kind of
forgot about it. A lot of the topic that we're
covering is like Daryl recovering from Isabel's death,

(56:27):
not missing Laurent. I assume he also misses Laurent.
But like, that's not the giant grief that he's carrying.
He's carrying Isabel's death. That's the giant grief that he's
feeling right now. It kind of like brought me back
and I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah, Oh yeah, there's this
other story. There's like other stuff
happening. Correct me if you did not think
this, but I assumed when he stopped he was putting like a

(56:49):
sacrificial item for Isabel. My immediate thought was
Laurent, because it was his. It was something that you saw
him physically playing with a lot.
Before he even pulled out the Rubik's Cube, I assume it was
going to be freezable. Now I will say after I thought
that I went that's stupid. Why would you pray for someone
who's already dead? No, I mean pray for their soul

(57:10):
if you believe in that. That's the thing.
So like I, I am Christian, but I'm Protestant, so I don't
believe that. I don't believe in praying for
someone's soul because you're already dead and like whatever
is going to happen has already happened.
Did I pray when my father died that I hoped that he would go to
heaven? Of course I did.
Do I feel like my prayer did anything with that?
No, it's just more like to seek comfort now.

(57:33):
Again, that's just my belief. This is obviously a very heavily
Catholic themed show as a whole,I think.
I mean, the nuns alone, the fighting nuns, like we could all
agree it's very heavily Catholic, which makes sense
because it's very prevalent in Europe.
It's probably in the United States too.
It's just that like that traditional Roman Catholicism is
very prevalent in Europe. And so I was like, but that's

(57:54):
not who Daryl is. No, not at all.
Not that he's a Protestant, I don't know if.
He has a belief system at all. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think so, honestly. I think he's pretty much said he
doesn't, which is why Isabel wassuch a refreshing juxtaposition
to him, because even though the world fell apart, that actually
made her faith instilled. And we saw the same happen with

(58:15):
like Gabriel and Herschel. Those people, to me are like,
really refreshing to see in thisworld because when your faith is
really strong, you don't lose hope in hopeless situations.
That faith is what gives you hope.
It drives you. So it's kind of cool to see that
represented because it's a real thing that happens in life.
There are people who live that way, who feel that way, who are

(58:36):
so faithful in their faith, so ingrained in it that they can
have hope in horrible situations.
And that's really nice because the world sucks pretty much all
the time, so it's really nice tosee so.
But Darrell is not the kind of person I feel like to pray for
someone who's already gone. I could see him going to there
to pray to Isabel to make sure she watches over, but there's no

(58:59):
reason why she wouldn't watch over La La if she can.
Yeah, I could, and I could very much see that.
But it's kind of interesting that that's like immediately
where my head went. And then I was like, wait, no,
that's not at all who Daryl is. He's not going to pray for
Isabel because she's already passed.
And which is interesting becausehe's seen her in that
hallucination in the tunnel. And she essentially told him

(59:19):
like, maintain hope, keep believing.
And so to see this like really defeated, deflated version of
Daryl. Well, it takes the question, do
you think that that kind of vision of her come back to
Darrell at some point to bring him back out of the funk that
he's in? I feel like it might, I, I feel
like it's kind of a stretch, right?
It's like very supernatural, like kind of this weird
religious component that we don't normally get in the show.

(59:43):
But then I think back to like Rick seeing Laurie and things
like that. Now, obviously his mind was
cracking during that, clearly. But then you think of like
Tyrese's last episode. Even Rick's last episode on the
main show where he's injured andbasically dying and he sees
everyone that way as well, especially Shane and Herschel.
Yeah, So I don't know. It could happen if there's

(01:00:05):
precedent for it. Does it seem like a little bit
out there? Yeah, a little bit.
I mean, you would kind of feel like precedent has said that,
like you would be on your deathbed if that were to happen,
because that's really like when it seems to happen in the show.
But I don't know, because yeah, he was hallucinating, but it is
the message that you would have given him.
Was she able to be there? Dave wanted us to specifically

(01:00:26):
mention it because this relationship between Daryl and
Laurent for Dave, I've noticed through these seasons has been
like very emotional for him. He really connects with that in
some way that any time that thiskind of stuff comes up, it makes
him emotional to see the pain. And Norman, you got to applaud
Norman. And he's, I mean, he's, he's

(01:00:47):
always been a phenomenal actor. I'm glad that he got to do The
Walking Dead because he's alwayskind of like these weird bit
parts, with the exception of like Boondock Saints.
It's always been like the kind of these weird.
Just background. Characters and stuff.
He's a phenomenal actor and I'm not just saying that because I
I'm a fan of his character because I like him.
Truly. There's a real range that he's
been able to show through this character who is so silent that

(01:01:11):
just speaks to your acting like your character doesn't talk.
When you can read someone's emotions when you're barely
talking, that just like you said, speaks to volumes how you
can convey your emotion just from body language and action
and stuff like that. So.
And just applaud him for that. But maybe you can answer this
for me, Rob. You're like you're a dad.
You're also a man. So you were a son so.

(01:01:32):
Last I checked. You know, for me, like I don't
connect as strongly with this and, and probably it has
something to do with like the way that I grew up with, like my
dad wasn't around for a lot of my childhood.
So I don't connect super strongly to this.
Now. My dad has passed since then and
like we reconciled stuff like that.
I've been very open about my relationship with my dad on the
podcast, but is there something about this relationship that

(01:01:53):
speaks to you, like as a father?Oh yeah.
Just the protective nature of it.
I've only been, I mean, he's noteven a year.
He'll be a year in, in just overa month out.
The experience I've had over thelast year has been very profound
in that sense that things just kick in, things I never thought
about for myself in that regard.Like I've always been very close
to my father. My father's always been there
for me my entire life. So I've always had that close

(01:02:15):
relationship when I was growing up.
And my dad would be like, you know, you'll know as soon as you
have kids, feelings that I can'tdescribe to you and how I feel
towards you. And then obviously you're my kid
and we're supposed to love you, but it's just more profound than
that. And then once I had my kid, like
I look at him and I'm just like,I just can't imagine a world
without you there anymore. So it does hit an emotional
spot, especially now being a father.

(01:02:38):
Did that scene then where he makes this like offering in
hopes for Laurent? Did that speak to you then?
Especially in this 100% yes, absolutely.
Okay, and probably you may dive cry just then, I would guess
because that was that was a verybeautiful thing to say Rob about
yourself was very, very sweet. I love that.

(01:03:00):
I love and I love seeing parentslike love their kids.
It's an amazing thing. He just started standing on his
own and he took kind of two following steps yesterday, so
I'm very proud. That's awesome.
The reasons that I connect with Daryl are different.
I connect with him from like theabuse standpoint, like the kind
of abandonment, the like struggling to fit in kind of
aspect. And so this part of Daryl's

(01:03:21):
story I haven't connected with in the same way.
Maybe that'll change as I becomea parent, but as of right now, I
can see that it's this beautifulmoment, but I'm just not
connecting with it in the same way that I do other parts of the
show. And maybe some of it is like I'm
having a hard time connecting with some of these characters.
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seasons in and basically all the2 characters throw out the old
cast of the last two seasons hasbeen great.
Introduce a whole another one for the same show.
It's a little jarring. I understand why because he ends
up in a different continent likeleft them and end up there.
But like that whole dynamic thenchanged up.
Daryl's attitude has changed, sothe whole dynamic of the show

(01:05:08):
has shifted, Yeah, And we're allkind of like trying to navigate
where it's going to. Go maybe I'm struggling to
connect with that a little bit right now.
Again, that brings me to Rachelle point.
Let me purpose it. I'm enjoying it.
I'm not mad about it. I I like that.
So I'm looking forward to watching it.
So it's not like a complaint. It's just that I'm having a hard
time really connecting in a way,and maybe that's kind of some of

(01:05:29):
the point. It's a different country.
Often things are spoken in span.Now I do speak Spanish, I don't
and I learned vosotros, but I don't speak Spain Spanish.
I learned Mexican Spanish. A lot of things are the same,
but like the pronunciation, someof the words Spain Spanish is
much more formal a lot of the time, which is why they have
another conjugation that they don't typically use in Mexican

(01:05:50):
Spanish. Maybe that's the intent is for
you to feel much like the first season where people are speaking
in French and you don't see the subtitles and you're like,
what's happening? I wonder if it's some of that
still is there to be like, hey, you're supposed to feel a little
bit like you don't fit in. You're supposed to not connect
with all of these characters. Feel exactly what Darrell and

(01:06:11):
Darrell are feeling in the moment.
Yeah, and maybe, and maybe to that point, maybe that's why the
storytelling is happening this way, because Darrell's trying to
push himself away from people. So then maybe that's why you're
supposed to feel like this is weird.
I don't know. I don't know that it's all that.
Sometimes we read into, like, what they do.
And the people that we talked tofrom the show are like, yeah,
that's what we meant to do. Yeah, yeah, totally you got.

(01:06:33):
It so, so I'm not really sure, but maybe that's to some degree
the intent. I'm not really sure.
So we'll go ahead and say good evening or good morning or I
don't know, what's that saying from the Sherman Show?
Good afternoon, good evening andgood night.
Anyway, thank you for joining usfor our coverage of episode 3 of

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the third season of Daryl Dixon.We look forward to heading into
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