Talkin’ Cowboys: Consistency or Complacency?

Kyle Youmans, Isaiah Stanback & Josh Rodriguez discuss the big picture if Mike McCarthy is brought back for another contract, CeeDee’s game status vs. the Eagles, and take listener calls on a Christmas Eve edition of Talkin’ Cowboys.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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At the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
And Now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez
and Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
It's a Christmas Eve edition of Talking Cowboys presented by
Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco,
Texas and the s WBC Studios. Welcome in everybody, as
we wish you a merry Christmas. We get to talk
to some cowboys and we want the gift of your
phone call.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Give us a call right now. Eight eight eight eight
five five two nine seven.

Speaker 6 (01:01):
We're gonna take some phone calls like real fast, and
we're gonna try and get to twelve today.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
We're gonna break our twenty twenty four season high of
twelve phone calls.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Phone calls, Well, we're gonna go to how We're we
gonna make it that how If you give us a
call eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. Gentlemen,
Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Christmas Eve.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah, Merry Christmas Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Queeze moying this.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Big Christmas for you.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
It is a big Christmas for me.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
First with all three we had like our first guys,
both big Christmases. We uh, you've got your first.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
One in the house, first one in the house.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, you got your tree up, you got the lights up.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
We do, we do, but we're not doing it at
the house. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
You're not hosting this year.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, yeah, it's too far.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
We're hosting for the first time. Or we hosted last
year because Lorena was pregnant and we were like, look,
look it's easier for you guys to just come here,
like she's got three babies to carry around.

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
Yeah, Now we actually have three babies to carry around.
So we're hosting again this year, so we'll congratulations the men.
Next year is gonna be crazy for two nuts in
every year, it's gonna ramp up because then they're gonna
not want like hot wheels or barbies. They're gonna end
up wanting like tablets and everything.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I was.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Chris beam about, I wasn't even talking about financially. I
was talking about just in terms of like being able
to because right now they're not mobile. Next year, little
Superman on our nephews, your tree is definitely coming down.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Next They're all three gonna just be climbing one.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
You got three culprits and it looked like Planet of
the Apes where they're climbing the towers of New York City.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
They're just gonna be all over the tree.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Line them up, bro, put them all over there. They
just sitting looking at you like I didn't do it.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Now I'm excited.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
We had our first like family event last night where
Nana bottom all gifts and we did it at her
her house and we went over there and it was so.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Fun, Like it was just so fun getting to hang
out with everybody. I also brought you guys a little
something something some last time.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I tried to do this on a holiday.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
I was a little late, but I brought some Santa
Christmas doughnuts.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Say this, the Grinch went the Grinch.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You go ahead and go for it.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
You pick it, you pick it out a little donut action.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know, we're talking to cowboys. Grinch. I think it's
Isaiah stand Basketball.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
My family calls me Coy, Isaiah.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Coy wants to steal Christmas. Yeah, dude, Yeah, I'm sure
it's probably pretty heavy.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
Oh no, I see a Homer sits in one down there,
there's a Homer.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Oh yeah, the pink one. Yeah, the pink sprinkle, pink sprinkles.
All right, But merry Christmas, everybody. Hope you're enjoying your
holiday season. Get to listen to a little bit of
talking cowboys as well. Give us a call eight eight
eight eight five five two two nine seven. We're gonna
start taking some calls right now, starting with John in Alaska.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
John, whoa, we had you on last week. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (03:53):
Man?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Thirty days of night? Let's go?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Yeah, good morning, good morning, Thanks for colling.

Speaker 10 (03:59):
Yeah. First of all, let me wish all of you
there in the studio and all of your listeners are
very very merry Christmas. And during this holiday season, everybody
should try to think about what makes them joyful and
what makes them happy and focus on that.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I agree you, John, love it abolutely Christmas looking like
a true Alaskan.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
I hope you're not traveling anywhere today. That's that's my
number one concern right now is all the people that
are traveling.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Crystal weather in Alaska.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Right, yeah, yeah, what's what's the temperature?

Speaker 10 (04:29):
Surprisingly warm. It's at thirty four degrees.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Right now, super warm.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah for Alaska.

Speaker 10 (04:34):
That's pretty warm for Alaska, that's very warm.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Night.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
Yeah, guys, I want to give thanks for the call. John,
appreciate you as always. Uh, before we move on to
our next collar news and notes. There's no Patrick today,
and I'm gonna be completely honest.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
It really wasn't a whole lot from yesterday.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm doing anything around here.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
So Jerry talked this morning on the fan, I believe
did he did? He talk?

Speaker 8 (05:02):
He did? He talked about Ceedee Lamb. As far as
the injury goes kind only with you up to CD.
Obviously he's playing through a lot of things. He's injured
that that shoulder is not getting any better. No, obviously
with the more playtime, obviously he keeps getting hit the
way that he is.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
Sorry, I spot you're fighting through it, just like, yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Interesting, need another one another?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
I have one, you have one, it's already gone. You
take another one if you want.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Well, But that is a good point because if they
are going to leave it up to Cede Lamb, CD
is gonna play. I mean, that's just clearly he's proven
that already.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
We were in the box whenever he landed on that shoulder,
and the announcers in the box basically said, you know,
Ceedee Lamb is questionable to return.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Not one play.

Speaker 8 (05:52):
Later, after literally the next play a TV time out,
he's back in the in Uh, that's right. In the
play gets it down to the one yard line, almost touchdown,
shakes off a couple of people, chase off a couple
of people with an injured shoulder, puts us back in
the game. Granted we didn't see him much in the
second half, but amazing that he powered through that he's
still playing, and he's obviously going to play in Philly.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, there's no way to keep him out of Philly.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
The only way that he's not on the field is
if the training staff deems it best for him not
to be on the field, because I know he said,
he said, we'll leave it up to Seedee Lamb, We'll
leave it up to his pain, discrepancy and tolerance.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
But yeah, I think if he's able, he will be
on the field.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
You're not taking him off the field, no way, I agree,
no way, No how he also alluded to. Jerry Jones
alluded well, he was asked the question, as far as
Mike McCarthy goes, do we think he's going to retain
him for next season? Jerry Jones was very close to
the vest on that one. He didn't necessarily answer the question.
He was talking about, Yeah, confidence in him now, you
know as we stand here and basically said, you know,

(06:55):
full stop, like talking about here and now, so not
necessarily looking towards the future. Sure, I'm sure he is,
but he's not telling anybody about it yet. And we've
talked about it many times here before. How do you
if we end up with a running record, or let's
say we end up eight to nine, you know, battling
through this season, how do you not give.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
To Micha McCarthy.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
That's a question that we will be talking about for
a long time to come, obviously when the season ends.
So that's where we're at.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
How soon after the season ends, Dallas Cowboy season it is,
will can we expect a decision?

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Usually it's within like three or four days, like it'd
be really quick. So that I mean, the final game
of the year is either the fourth or the fifth
of January of course, the NFL has that last week
as TBD, and then they slot them all in the
place at the end of the time. I would expect
something either that Monday or Tuesday the sixth, or the seventh.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I would assume Saturday, February eighth.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Do you think it's further than that after the super
Bowl or close to the.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Super Bowl, the day before the Super Bowl, the.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Day before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
To hire a coach or to announcement, to make announce
what he's doing.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Oh, I think it's gonna be way quicker than that.
Even I'm just going based off of Jason Garrett. Yeah,
same sort of deal. Contract ran out, they did not
renew him. You knew within the next two days after
the season was over.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
So they don't wait on the coach very long.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Then then you go on the then you go on
the search and you start finding who your next coach
is or you extend them, and then all of a
sudden you've got that conversation moving forward too. So I
don't think it would take very long. I think it'd
be literally the day or two after the season comes.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
To a close.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
Husban, could you sign Micah That might be a little
further that would be for the further out league. I
mean new league year is March fifteenth, Okay, so sometime
I got to look at the dates for twenty five.
But the free agency and that sort of deal, I mean,
I think you can sign him at any point, but

(08:58):
I bet you it wouldn't happen until the league years changed.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Interesting a little about the coaching decision on all the teams,
because they have those all Star games, right, all those
all the college All Star games in the Senior Bowl, Yeah,
all the Senior Bowls and Shrine Bowl. You will want
your coach yep to be present there, correct, and you're
coaching staff, yes, yeah, from that.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Perspective a lot.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
And that's that's why I think it will happen quick
because the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl are the
final week of January. Final week, So that would give
you a month of either find a new head coach
and hire them or at least know who your new.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Head coach is going to be.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Uh, when you get to that point or Mike McCarthy's here,
nothing changes, So I think let's keep on rolling. Let's
go to Nebby and Silver Spring, Maryland. Nebby, what's going
on you're on talking Cowboys man.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Hi, guys, thank you so much for uh taking my call. Listen.
Uh uh. First of all, I want to say uh
that I I think so highly of Cooper uh BB

(10:18):
that I bought his jersey uh uh uh a few
weeks ago. Uh uh. But anyway, um I, I just
want to say that I I I I I. Even

(10:46):
though uhh we obviously won't be going to the playoffs
and therefore, of course uh will not win the Super
Bowl this year. Uh uh I, even even when that

(11:07):
is no longer a possibility, there's always something to uh
uh uh uh I'll play for because winning games uh
down the stretch, I can build momentum for next year.

(11:42):
So I'm hoping that we win these last two games,
I have a winning season uh I and go off
seasons strongly. And also before I go, I just want
to say that, with all due respect to Mike Zimmer

(12:06):
uh uh, I'm hoping that uhl Al Harris will be
our defensive coordinator next uh a year next season. I

(12:35):
take care, thanks for being patient with me, and have
a great week. Bye.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
There we goes. Nevy Nev knows ball, of course always does.
Now I agree with him. On one take so far,
and I disagree with him on the other time.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
I never do. Really, he knows and it's an opinion.
I get it.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
I love Al Harris, I really do. But Mike Zimmer's
done enough to be your defensive.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Coordinator next year.

Speaker 8 (13:03):
It's crazy how much the scripts flipped in regards to
Mike Zimmer. Oh yeah, how he's done this year with
the injuries at the defense specifically, it's crazy to see
him grow and now the players are obviously buying into it.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
They're all bought in.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
It's crazy talking to some of the guys after the game,
like you could see it like they it may not
have been there initially, and there might have been a
learning curve maybe a lot longer, and you could certainly
give him criticism for how long it took for these.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Guys to pick that up. That's fair.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
But the way that they're playing now gives me kind
of like the first point where I agree with Nabby.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
I want to win these last two games.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
I want to build momentum going into twenty twenty five,
because if you win these last two games and you're
at nine to eight, you could be considered one of
the best, if not the best defense in football in
the back half of the season. There's a lot you
can go build off of from there, including.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
With your defensive coordinator. M you don't want to win
the last two games.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
No, you definitely want to win the last two games.
It's just not convinced. Holy Holy you know that that
I'm ready to rock with Zimmer yet, And I don't
know what it would really take to build.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
What is holding you back?

Speaker 4 (14:15):
What I saw early? Same system? You know, I don't
know if it was guys not executing or I mean,
I don't know what. You have to go back and
look at it. I would have to go back.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
And talking to the guys. That's what they say.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
They say it's it was a lack of execution, not
necessarily a lack of scheme or preparation.

Speaker 8 (14:31):
Like you said about chun Zy Golsten when you guys
interviewed him for pregame live on dolls cobys dot com. Uh,
he was talking about early in the season where when
they would make a mistake, It's like, Okay, what would
dan Quinn have us do basically in this situation versus
buying into the new scheme that they're they What.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Would Zimmer do.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
What would Zimmer do?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, it is, it's a.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Little bit different.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
WWZD what do uh? I yeah, it's I mean, it's
obviously he has done a good enough job to at
least raise the question. Right before, it was not a question.
Absolutely before it was like, oh, ces next. Now you
at least have to go back and look at his
body of work, and I think he's They have done

(15:11):
amazing these last four games whatever, it's been five games
since Mike has come back. But again, you have to
look at it and say, okay, is that because MIC's
back and everybody else is able to do what they do?
What if Micah is you know, low and behold, you know,
God forbid and Mike is hurt? Do you get the
same productivity out of this entire defense?

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Probably?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Not right, so not good, but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
But you can say the same thing about any other
defense that has a high end talent. If the Cleveland
Browns defense without Miles Garrett is completely different, the San
Francisco defense without Nick Bosa is completely different, the Chargers
defense without Khalil or.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Difference, Like there's like it's not even close. But so
I'm saying, like, how much weight are you putting on
that one individual a.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Lot because he's one of the best, if not the
best kids. I mean, you're still second in defensive understanding.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
With the understanding that players get injured and things happen,
contracts happen, players leave, you have to still have a
system in place that is effective enough to give you
give you an opportunity to win ball games. And that
system was not it was.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
In place, it was not early.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Is That's what I'm saying. Because of that, you have
to you can't just say, yeah, things are running hot
right now. You gotta roll with it, like you have
to now go back and look at us and what
was different? Was it execution? Was it just that we
were just getting tostedos? Right? You have to go and
really look at it and say, okay, what was the
major difference When you can't, I don't believe that you
can feel secure enough with somebody making that decision by saying, oh, yeah,

(16:36):
once he's in place, we're good, because that's not the system.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
That is.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
That is one person impacting way too much of the.

Speaker 8 (16:42):
Game and they kind of pick it back of what
you're saying. If if that happens, you bring Mike zimmern
back and you lose Al Harris, I think you're gonna
get that either way. I think you are going to
get a step back in play because the secondary has been,
at least for me, consistent all the way through the year.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Sure, and.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
I can't foresee them, so I would love to have
Superman and Batman on my team. If it's only Batman,
and then there's only so much you can do about it,
you know. Yeah, I agree. I think Al Harris leaving
would be a step back. But I'm not going to
take away any credit from what Mike zimmer has done.
Because you're talking about self scouting and going inward and

(17:19):
changing some of the problems that happened earlier in the year,
and how that's needed.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think they've already done.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
That, because yes, Micah returns and that adds a huge
element to this defense. Jordan Lewis said it on Sunday
after the game. He said, well, yeah, you know, we've
been pretty good since Micah got back. I don't know
if that was the whole game plan, but he is
a monster. You can't He's been an incredible football.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
I'm not disagreeing with them, but when I look at
somebody's system. I believe that the system has to be
effective regardless if your number one star player is in
there or not. As we're talking about the quarterback position,
which is a major right, So that's what I'm talking about,
especially when we talk about defense. Right, defense, it is
a holistic thing. You're not relying on one person to
be just your impact guy. You need multiple guys doing

(18:02):
their thing. Now, he's had to battle through talking about Zimmer,
that is, he's had to deal with a tremendous amount
of injuries and that's unfortunate. But again, this defense before Micah,
defense after Micah, two completely different defenses. Yeah, that is
the system sound enough to work regardless of if Mike
is there or not. He's asked Mike question.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
He's the only all pro on that defense that has
had that big of an impact when he wasn't around.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
I mean, you just won a game without Trayvon Diggs.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
You've won multiple games without DeMarcus Lawrence, You've won multiple
games now without Demarvin Overshown.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
I mean, you have these guys that are all stepping up.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Mike is the only one that you can circle and say, yeah,
when he wasn't there, they weren't very good, but they
also were playing the meat of their schedule and some
of the top teams in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
And it's not like the run defense didn't bounce back
in MICHAEH. Parsons's absence. You saw a definite improvement while
he was out. Granted there was no path rush to
be heard of, it's there, but you did see the
run defense improve, which is obviously players but also coaching
as well.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, all right, let's sneak in a call before our
first break, AB in Redondo Beach, California.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, what's going on? AB? You're on talking Cowboys?

Speaker 11 (19:15):
I'm good.

Speaker 12 (19:15):
How you doing? Merry Christmas?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Christmas, my friend, how are you?

Speaker 12 (19:19):
I'm doing well. I'm kind of conflicted though, because on
one hand, I'm happy that the Cowboys are winning, but
on the other hand, I hope it's not gonna save
McCarthy as far as coach. Oh, I'm just I'm not
sold on him winning. I mean, his offense and stuff.
Long term, I'm not sold on it. And you know,

(19:42):
I get that everybody's playing hard, but you have to ask,
you know, are they playing hard because they're trying to
get another paycheck or are they really playing hard just
for him? I mean, I guess it's a combination of both.
And then, you know, the thing that I don't think
anybody thinks about is how many super Bowl co which
is of one with the second team.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I believe only one or two.

Speaker 12 (20:04):
I think it's very few, exactly. Yeah, And we tried
it with ourselves, we try it with him, and it
has worked out. You know, I think they need to
go something fresh, something new, something more innovative than what
he's bringing out right now.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I appreciate the call. You are not wrong in your opinion.
You can't be wrong in your opinion.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Uh. And you're also not alone there. Either there's a
lot of Cowboys fans that are split because of this,
or I think we're starting to see more of a
fifty to fifty split. I don't know if it's there yet, but.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Five weeks ago it was not very fifty to fifty.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
No, So what was going to happen with the coach
moving forward? Very clarified weeks ago?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, what were you gonna have there?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Not so much.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
I just I think people have been spoiled. I truly
think people have been spoiled by twelve in seasons. That's
just the truth.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
You got three of them in a row. That's just
a lot of winning.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
People are spoiled by twelve wins and people feel they
feel as if you're supposed to just show up and
that happens. Now, you just show up and we win
twelve games. That's how That's not how the work Listen
League works. And this year obviously is an anomaly because
of injuries, and you still might be nine to eight,

(21:15):
you know, by the end of the year. And if
you go nine and eight with this year, it's absolutely insane.
But the fact that McCarthy, what he's done over his
stint here is it's not given enough respect at all,
No at all, because everybody wants change, but everybody's not

(21:36):
willing to run the risk that change brings.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
And change takes a long time.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Change takes a long time. Change takes personnel changes, change
takes scheme changes, change takes the the empathy and the
willingness to allow for a losing seasons while they figure
things seas seasons. Yes, okay, so everybody wants change until
change happens and you have to go through the mess

(22:03):
to come out. Yeah, the grand pace, so be careful,
be careful what you wish for people. I understand your
your sentiments, I respect your sentiments, but you don't just
wake up and win twelve games. Look around the league,
lick around the league, and you will understand that if
you're going to go another direction with the coach, understand this.

(22:23):
You're either going to get a coach who has failed
somewhere else, or you're going to get a brand new
coach who's never done it before.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yes, and I would like to add on the second
side of that, the second side if you and I
wish I would have asked ab who his replacement would be?
Who would you hire in that case, because of course
we can't say names up here as well. But when
when you're looking at it and you're saying, oh, the
new guy that's out there, all these names that have

(22:51):
been thrown out there in terms of replacements, when's the
last time the Cowboy or not the Cowboys, But a
team has won a Super Bowl with a head coach that's.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
New, probably Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, look at this different. You've got Andy Reid.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
We're talking about Kyle Shannonday, exact same things.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
It still hasn't won one. Here are the super Bowl
winning head coaches. I'm just going to start reading, and
you're going to see a trend here. Andy Reid, of course,
he's won a couple of them. Sean McVay, we just
mentioned him, Bruce Arians, Bill Belichick, Doug Peterson, Gary Kubiak,
Pete Carroll, John Harball, Tom Coughlin.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Harball would be considered a new coach back in that time.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
That was back in twenty thirteen, Tom Coughlin, Mike McCarthy
was a new coach back in twenty ten, twenty eleven.
He was still in his fifth year with that organization
at that time. Sean Palin or Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin,
Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungee, Bill Cower.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
You get the point. You get the point. It doesn't
just pop it over here.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Coaches.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yeah, And these are all guys that have either won
Super Bowls or had multiple Super Bowls, or had Hall
of Fame caliber quarterbacks. And I don't know, I just
I don't think you can look at what Mike McCarthy
has done here and just.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Show it away, of course, for nothing.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
And that's kind of what people want to do, and
that was a big reason why they heard him in
the first place. You wanted someone that's been there before,
someone that that can come in and act like they've
been there before.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Obviously, what's his overall record here?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
That's a great question, pretty pretty wild.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
I just want to pink that picture.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
I mean, twelve and five, twelve and five, twelve and five.
He was what seven and nine in the first year,
it was crazy, and then yeah, that was this COVID year.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And then he's one game under five hundred here, he's
out of one ten overall. Yeah, in Dallas, in Dallas, right.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
So yeah, plus fifteen.

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Speaker 8 (27:04):
The record was the record was oh his record is
forty nine to thirty three the winningest Cowboys head coach
since won Barry Switzer in ninety seven.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
No.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah, in terms of win percentage, you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
Percentage in terms of win percent that's m McCarthy, baby
coach McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
That is no.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
But his postseason record one three.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
That's where I find criticism to be.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
Okay, you brought him in to win championships, to get
you to an NFC title game, to elevate dak in
what he could do.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
He's done. That's that's done. Check that box. But you
haven't gone to an NFC championship game. That's where the
criticism comes.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Well, but I just find it hard to believe when
you look outside and say, oh, this name, this name,
this name, are gonna do what he's doing right now
with this football team and are going to galvanize this
team enough to where they're saying, oh, we're out of
playoff contention, and we're still winning four out of five
games and we're making things happen. You're one play away
from making the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
With Cooper Rush as your starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I find it hard to believe. It's hard to believe.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
And we say all this and we give him all
the we give him the praise here that he is
deserved of.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Right, Yes, but but you look at that Green Bay game.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
It was bad.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
I mean, and I think a lot of that blame
falls on the guy that's now the head coach in Washington,
by the way, I do. Yeah, dan Quinn completely kerfuffled
that entire game plan because he was trying to hide
Steph on Gilmour playing and simple Stephan Gilmour was hurt
options and they said, you know what, we were a
one armed Stephan Gilmour to play in zone coverage instead

(28:39):
of man like they had played eighty percent of the
time last year. They decided to go zone against a
team that does nothing but run the ball effectively and
then throw the ball over the middle of the field
with Jordan Love. No, that was a stupid game plan,
and that's what happened in Green Bay. I don't I
don't put all that on my mara. I put a
lot of that on the role in the beginning.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
It wasn't good either.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
I'm not putting it all on McCart I'm putting a
lot of it on dan Quinn too. It's a solid
fifty to fifty team effort. Said, yeah, team effort. We're
gonna go get our butts kicked in the wild.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
That's what happened. Is It's plain and simple.

Speaker 8 (29:12):
It's just to me, that game was such a I
think you've said it before, something about that game broke
this team and we're still reeling from the effects of that.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I still am to this day. I mean, I when
I think of it, I chudder, you know what I mean.
It's just not it doesn't feel good, guys.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
So I think some of the stink of that game
is upsetting a lot of Cowboys fans, and obviously the
way that this year's gone. I totally understand where they're
coming from as far as like, what.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Are we doing here?

Speaker 7 (29:39):
You know?

Speaker 8 (29:40):
But if you've been following the team, like I know
you have because you are all Cowboy fans and you're
listening to talking Cowboys, you have to respect what he
has done with the cards he's been dealt this season.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Listen, Winning seasons just don't I just want people to
take a step back. You don't just stumble upon winning seasons,
especially twelve. Just don't stumble upon twelve win seasons. And
you don't get a chance at the playoffs unless you
have those winning seasons. I just want to remind everybody
of that this league is hard. This league is hard,

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and to get a winning season is hard, especially in
this division, and to and to be in position to
go to the playoffs. Once you get to the playoffs,
it's hard. Playoffs are hard. Name. Just just pick another coach,
Pick another coach out there for this is going to
call in. Tell us a coach that does really well
in the playoffs that is going to be available for

(30:36):
the Dallas Cowboys that's been a head coach.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Good question. I'm going to play a little exercise here.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Name the three teams right now that have the best
chance to win the Super Bowl out of the NFC.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Go right, the NFC, right man, I'm going with the
you gotta go Eagles. You don't, Yeah, you have to
really good, solid Eagles. The way Green Bays play, I
can't hate to say that. That's I don't want to
say NFC, NFC, NFC the team and blew up.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Yeah Lions than Lions.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah they got to overcome a lot, but yeah, yeah
they're in there.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
So let me just phrase it this way. The first
team you named there was the Eagles. How many wins
do they have right now, twelve twelve. They have twelve wins,
so they're gonna they're gonna win the NFC East, right,
hm uh, and they're probably gonna end up as the
two seed in the NFC. That's pretty that's a crazy,
well run organization that continues to do things all the

(31:33):
way through. You're going to see him this week. Pretty
damn good football team, right. Yes, what did the Dallas
Cowboys do last year? Yes, I know they laid an egg,
but they had all of those things working in favor
going into the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
You don't just stumble upon that. And that's kind of
my point there is you don't just.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm telling people are spoilt. You can't people like that.
But you're spoiled. You're spoiled. You're spoiled. That's okay, now word,
it just means you just ow it. You're spoiled. You
used to you're used to coach McCarthy winning you twelve
games a year, and you're talking about like, oh, that's
just gonna happen. We're gonna be in the play Yeah,
it's a given. It's not how this game works.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
If this team was healthy going into the playoffs and
had a chance to do something special and then laid
an egg again. Then we can have the conversation because
you're one and four in the playoffs and it just
hasn't worked out. However, this isn't a normal season. You
weren't given, like you said, the cards that were dealt
with differently. And I know a lot of people are
probably already tuning us out because they're like, oh, they're

(32:28):
just offending Mike McCarthy. They're on the Cowboys away. This
is what football is, and that's just plain and simple
what it is. We've been very critical of Mike McCarthy
in the past, sometimes to a fault.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
We've we've had our own individual conversation. Man, everybody can
get it. Okay, well keep it one hundred were analyst.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
This is this is not one of those situations.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Let's go to tyrone in Pennsylvania, tyrone on the line
in enemy country.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
What's going on, gentlemen, Marry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Mary, Christmas Iron.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
That's right, that's right, Eric, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Yeah, Hey, that's everything. I'm thirty eight years old, and
anyone that's my age group are a little older. They
sing that song the minute they hear me.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not going to sing that song
to you, but I will acknowledge it.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
So I'm going to actually piggyback off of what y'all
just were talking about with Mike McCarthy. So Neil I
think his name is Neil O'donnald Vikings head coach. That's
a new coach. Nick Sirianni, that's a new head coach.
Dan Campbell that's the new head coach. Sure right, So
all three of those coaches were coordinators that the team

(33:35):
hired and moved on from, you know, other coaches that
weren't getting it done.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
My take with Mike McCarthy is he's Tony Dungee. He's
the two thousand Tony Dungee. So he has an amazing
one side of the ball that's going to be our offense.
Tony Duneys was the defense, and for whatever reason, as
great as Tony Dungee was and he eventually won a
Super Bowl, he could not get that Buck team over
the hump. And it took them going outside and say

(34:05):
what you want about the man. We're not going to
talk about the man, but the coach, John Ruden was
able to fix the other side of the ball that
prevented them from getting over the hump and eventually got
you know, well not eventually got them the super Bowl
that they were looking for. So that's my take on
Mike McCarthy. I think as we may be spoiled with

(34:27):
ten win seasons, but ten win we need now, we
need the next step, right like that. That's what it
is the Cowboys over the last twenty five years. Go
look at the records. This isn't new. The Cowboys have
been one of the most winningest teams sure over the
last twenty five years. And Mike McCarthy is the best
head coach we've had since Jimmy Johnson. I will put

(34:48):
Mike McCarthy over Bill Parselves, I really will.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
He's had more success, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:53):
He's had more success, longevity, everything, but he's just not
getting it done in the issue for me has always
been his unwillingness to ad just sooner. That has been
my biggest gripe. You have a thousand yard back fa
ric odawbeles he's probably gonna hit a thousand yards, which
that's not that big of a deal with seventeen games,

(35:14):
but he's gonna hit a thousand yards. Probably he probably
would have hit twelve thirteen if they would have ran
the ball earlier. But this whole game plan with Cooper Rush,
why can't we do this game plan with Dak Prescott.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
I've got and we do that.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
I've got two follow up questions for you. You named
the Lions, the Eagles, and the Vikings head coaches. I mean,
I know, and you can, yeah, throw the Commanders in
there too.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
How many how many of those coaches do you feel
like would be available for the Cowboys to go and
plug this year?

Speaker 7 (35:48):
I would actually look at either Robert Sala or Mike Rabel.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Okay, so two guys that have failed in different spots,
one in the Tennessee Titans and one at the New
York Jets.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
Right, Well, I wouldn't call Mike Graybolt failing because he
took Ryan Tannehill to an AFC title game.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Fair.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
I would not say that the sale because for me,
that would be a successful someone that got a Super Bowl.
I'm just looking for someone who has taken the next
step more recently than Mike McCarthy and Ryan Tannehill to me,
taking Ryan Tannehill on the Titan to an ANFC title
game where we haven't snipped the NFC Title game, and
you know, I was like eight years old that that

(36:28):
that's a big deal for me, right, Like, that's something
that I would like to see, you know, before I'm forty, and.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
I'm I'm glad that you're you're bringing that up, because
you're right, you're not looking at coaches that have Super
Bowls because all six coaches that you named don't have
a Super Bowl currently. But I do want to ask
you this. You said you brought up Tony Dungee and
the transition to John Gruden. I get that as a comparison.
I actually liked that comparison a lot. Tony Dungee was
a great head coach in his own right, so was

(36:55):
John Gruden. However, do you feel like when you look
at this roster right now, do you feel like this
roster is good enough in order to take the next
step moving forward? Because a lot of the gripe this
year has been this roster is not good enough. They
did not do enough in the offseason, they did not
do enough here. The cap space is garbage at this point,
and you're going to have some more cap space garbage

(37:17):
to deal with in twenty twenty five. Do you feel
like a coach, one guy, one leader that can come
in out of the street and immediately fix what's going
on with this Cowboys organization is out there and available
right now, because I don't see my point.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
My thing is with that is I think this is
every king deals with that cap space issue, every single
team deals with it. If you have top end talent
at different times, yes, so you're gonna deal with that.
But what the good coaches do. They squeeze as much
juice out of that lemon as they can.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Like winning four games in five game if five games
with Cooper Rush at quarterback, Oh hey.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
He again, what he has done over this five game
span has been impressive. I will give him that. However,
it's just I can't forget what has happened leading up
to it. I can't forget that.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
I just I'm just we're just playing devil's advocations.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
That's what I am.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
Now.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I respect your opinion, I respect your inside. I'm just
are you forgetting about the three twelve one seasons?

Speaker 7 (38:24):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Are you taking Are you taking those for granted?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
No, I'm not taking them for granted. But at the
same time, the you know, Jason Garrett had a couple
of those Waite Phillips had, you.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Know, but none of it.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
But none of them had a winning percentage like coach McCarthy. No, no,
no matter what name you bring up, unless you go
all the way back to to Swisser, nobody's gonna have
a better regular season winning record than coach McCarthy. And
without a regular season record like that, you don't get
to the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
At the same time, though, don't we want to get
past that that that wall.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, yeah, but you have to get there. So I'm saying,
are we taking are we taking the getting their portion
for granted?

Speaker 7 (39:04):
No, no, but sometimes you you know, sometimes you can't
be scared of change. You know, what it sounds like
is complacency. To me, that's what it sounds like. It's like, oh,
this is the first step. Cool, the first step is there?
I think we have we have the talent to always
do that. We always have the talent to win nine,
ten to eleven games minimum. I always see that people
want to play in Dallas, they draft well. Will McClay

(39:27):
is probably, in my opinion, the best non.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
GM in in you know, the I'll agree with you there, Yeah,
And we.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
Will always draft well and we will always find little
diamonds and gems in the rough. You know, that will
that will be able to pay little but get top
end productions or not top end, but you know like
that production.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I respect that opinion. But the game's changed. From a
player standpoint, the game has changed. Cats are not going
to places because of what's on the helmet anymore. Cats
are going to places because I got to get my money.
Right now, I'm just telling you from the player's perspective,
it has changed. You bring up Will McLay. Will McLay
is not a sure thing to be back here next year.
That's another thing. That's another conversation that has to be

(40:09):
had going into this offseason. Right, there's things that have
changed in that regard. So you can't rest your head
on this. Yeah, we're gonna draft, Well, that's not a
sure thing going forward. Well, and then you talk about
the cap space. You don't have top three players at
three different positions in every team in the league, right,
You don't have that, So that's not a fair comparison either.
So these are all things that you have to take
into consideration. And are you, as a fan, willing if

(40:32):
you know, if you feel comfortable and confident. And we've
been spoiled, from Mike McCarthy's standpoint for the last three
years to get twelve wins seasons, and this year you
might even still find a way to get a winning season.
Are you willing to take one, two, maybe three years
of losing for another coach to come in here and
establish his system.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
Yeah, That's where I'm at with it, Tyrone. Great call,
by the way, Thank you for calling. Appreciate all the insight.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I love it because he's asking really real love, he
really is.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
And and his opinion is valid.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Yes, there's lack of consistency in the playoffs, playing and
simple you're one and three in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
But if you what he's asking for as a coach
to come in and immediately take you to the promised lands.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
That's what everybody wants.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
But like the best chance for you to get to
the promised land is currently in that head coach's office
across the way.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
If so, look at it from this perspective, I know
we gotta get out here, listen, get to the playoffs.
So you, if you have the confidence that your team
is going to be in position to go to the playoffs,
with a coach McCarthy right aside from this year where
you had a gazillion injuries. Would you rather have a
coach that you just want him to focus have to
work on one aspect of his coaching, which is getting

(41:41):
through the playoffs, or would you rather get another coach
that has to worry about getting to the playoffs and
then getting through the playoffs as well. That's what you're
looking at. So you can call that complacent if you
want to, or you can look at it and say, okay,
this one, this person needs to work on this one
aspect and if they if they, if they nail that,
if they nail that, then guess what we're We're having
a whole different conversation. Or are you ready to the
dice and get somebody else in here and be like,

(42:02):
oh crap, you know what. We thought that was a
good idea, but oh we just don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Is it complacency or consistency?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
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It's hopefully yeah, hopefully on Sunday too. No, so I
really quickly. I just wanted to say I got two
under two that I'm at home with right now, and
your whole production crew. Everybody, Merry Christmas, and thank you
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Speaker 19 (45:52):
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But at the consistency of twelve and five straight seasons,
you can't just let that go and go unnoticed. The
playoffs are what the playoffs are, right man. Playoffs are
a different game, as Isaiah will probably say. But I

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do have a question for Isaiah more than anybody, I think,
looking at McCarthy, it's been almost like the culture has
been the culture of winning the last three seasons, and
I kind of wonder is that actually a culture because
you look around the league at some of these other
teams like Detroit, that's more of a culture of like
grit and fighting. But is winning itself a culture? And
that's kind of what I wanted to ask, is more

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than anybody, But thanks, guys, have a great day, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Thanks. Now that's a really good question. And yes, winning
is a culture. It's an expectation of It is an
expectation of a certain level of excellence.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
So certain things are not tolerated, and you can say
those things aren't tolerated in most places. But here in
Dallas you've you've always seen that they've found a way
to win ball games or at least always competitive in
a position to win ball games. You can't say that
about every organization. And when you come into certain programs, right,
there's an understanding of how to go about your business

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there just is when I when I was here in Dallas,
there is a way to go about your business. When
I went to New England, it was a hello, it
was totally different, right, And those are cultural changes based
upon the leadership that's in the building, and in Dallas
there is they have their own unique way. But when
you step on that field, there's never a time in
past years where you felt like Dallas is about to

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get blown out. I think there's only one team really earlier.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
This year was the only time I felt that way.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yeah, But I mean I go back to, you know,
there's only one team in recent years when you play them,
you're like, oh, this is probably not going to go well.
And that was the forty nine ers. Yeah, and the
forty nine you just felt like the forty nine ers
just had Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
They had their numbers.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, they had their number So, I mean, and that
was a physicality thing, that was a mentality, but outside
of that, you always felt like you were going to
be competitive. So, yes, winning is a culture, but it
takes time and it takes a foundation to establish that.
And so when we're talking to people and getting these
opinions in regards to bringing to somebody else, understand that

(48:11):
you're an etching sketch and you're you're just shaking it up, right,
and you have a blank slate, and now you want
that person to come in, and you're asking that person
to not only come in and supersede what the twelve
and five coach did, but supersede that and then go
past the where he went in the playoffs. That's just
that's wishful thinking. Yeah, it's wishful thinking.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
And it may happen. It may happen, but may is
like hope, and we know hope's not a strategy. It's
the same thing on the opposite. And you could hire
or you could extend Mike McCarthy in to go south.
That may happen, but that's why you play the game, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Why it happens.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
And I think you got to look at it from
a pure I don't want to say analytical because that's
not true.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
It's more more so a feel.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
It's more so you got to look inward and say,
who's game is going to give us the best shot
to do what we want to do, which is get
to an NFC title game, and that's win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Who's going to give you the best shot to do it?

Speaker 6 (49:05):
If you sit there, as Jerry Jones in your your
office upstairs and you say, Mike Vrabel's that guy, Sure
go ahead, get it done. If you can sit there
and you say Mike McCarthy's that guy, I think I
would agree with you say there's a shot there too.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
You've got to make that decision. This front office has
got to make that decision.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
We heard the great call from Tyrone, which I'm going
to say it again, that's a phenomenal call. He brought
up a lot of great points, and I think it's
a lot of what the fans are thinking about right now.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
And I get it, I really do.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
There's a frustration with the way that they played in
the playoffs, but he said, you got to squeeze all
of what you can out of the roster.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
You're seeing that right now.

Speaker 6 (49:38):
We've got a guy in Josh's Chicago mentioning Carl Lawson
and what he said after the game, who the heck
is Karl Lawson?

Speaker 7 (49:46):
For this season?

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Nobody would have known who the heck Carl Lawson was.
Now you do, and he's one of the top guys
on the in this pass rush. A lot of that
has to do with the culture of winning and squeezing
the rest out of that limon like they're doing right now.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
And I get it.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
It's a draft and develop organization, and you get a
lot of these guys, plain and simple. They've whiffed on
two drafts so far, back to back, and that's part
of why you're having some problems.

Speaker 8 (50:10):
That's tough to say true, but it's true Whift completely.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I think it's tough.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
We the one guy that we are I would say
two guys and they're both linebackers, de Marvin Overshown, who
we won't see until twenty twenty six. And the other
guy you feel pretty good about it is Mary Sleafu Yeah,
and Cooper b B.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I guess Cooper BB up front.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
So maybe not Whift, but let's say they like fouled
one off a couple of times and they they may
have hit a seeing ice single up the middle.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
I would say the last two drafts have not been perfect,
but I don't know who has had a perfect draft.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I mean it's other than the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Like this game of football, it's really this game of football.
Top is not a sure thing, No, like, it's just not. Man,
it's hard. It's hard. And I know from fan standpoint,
people get behind their brand and they rock with them
and they have a level of expectation, but crap's a hard.
Man is really difficult, and it changes every year.

Speaker 8 (51:02):
And I guarantee you if just case in point, the
Lions they make it to of course they're going to
the playoffs. They don't get to the Super Bowl. They
don't win the Super Bowl, they take a step back
next year. Are the fans gonna be upset? Are the
fans going to be like.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Well, yeah, and there's going to because they're gonna have
a lot of change. They're probably gonna lose both of
their coordinators probably.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
So you'd expect the fans then to Are they going
to be positive about it, like all right, guys, we'll
get back or are they going to expect because they've
been spoiled from this year, like well, we got to
go right back to the super Bowl, right, No, we're
gonna go right back to it.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
They're happy to be there.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
They are most likely going to lose both of their coordinators.
There's gonna be a ton of change there, just like
there's change because.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
They're gonna be highly sought up.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
They're gonna be highly sought out for. They stay. Both
of their coordinators stayed last year, they're not staying again.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Didn't Philly lose both of their coordinators last year? Yeah,
they're still winning the games. Anyways, let's continue, So we'll
talk again on Thursday. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Everybody have some fun over the next couple of days.
Happy Holidays for all those who celebrate as well.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
We love you all.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Thank you for calling in, Thank you for all the
support throughout the season. Here on Talking Cowboys, and we
will talk to you again Thursday. We're gonna do a
show and tell with with Josh's Oculus and his brand
new Yes give him Santa.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Everybody meet at Josh's house all right for Josh Ryder.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
You guys, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam in the Back'm
Kyle Yeoman saying so long.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
We'll see you on Thursday. Merry Christmas, Cowboys Nation.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
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