December 16, 2024 • 47 mins
Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Tommy Yarrish & Josh Rodriguez break down the Cowboys 30-14 win over the Carolina Panthers and spotlight key performances from Rico Dowdle, Osa Odighizuwa, and multiple undrafted free agents that are contributing at a high level.
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A little bit of everyone sprinkled coast.
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To coast at the Carolina Panthers had a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They thought they had some life. They got even with
a three game losing streak.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They were gonna give the Cowboys everything they could handle.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Not so fast does the.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Cowboys dominate Carolina thirty to fourteen. The final score a
thirty burger, which feels about as rare as a forty
burger at this point in time. But the Cowboys get
it done. They have a phenomenal second half. After a
pitter patter ending to the first half, they said, no
big deal, we fumbled the ball, gave up an eighty
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three yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
All that is fine and.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Dandy, but guess what what, we're gonna find our stride
in the saft and they made it happen. So Cowboys
all of a sudden look like one of the better
road teams in the NFL. Shockingly enough, they're five and
two on the road as opposed to one and six
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But we don't have to talk about that. We'll talk
about that. Yeah, we can talk about that later. That's fine,
that's fine later.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But the Cowboys get it done on the road alongside
Patrick no c Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yaris with Chris
Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans, glad you're with us.
It was a fun trip out to Charlotte, it was,
and the Cowboys rewarded the way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah. And one thing that was the crux of the
Cowboys struggles is once the defense started to turn up
with their takeaways, the offense just would not reward them.
Contrarily that they would find ways to go three and
out and kill long drives with untimely penalties and things
like that. It was yesterday perfect No, because this is
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still a team that's struggling with a whole lot of adversity,
but they found a way. This offense did to continually,
more often than not, reward the defense. So when you
talk about that, you talk about coming out strong in
the third quarter, Panthers first possession, Panthers first snap, you
got OsO Diggi Zowa doing what OsO was doing yesterday.
Cowboys offense gets the ball back, get some points on
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the board, and it kind of second half went from there,
and you just love it. I guess Cooper Rush roses
yesterday because I was hard on him yesterday, especially after
that that fumbled handoff again another one. You gotta repair that.
That cannot happen at this level with simply cannot. But
for the first time ever ever, Cooper Rush is a man.
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He's not a machine. He has emotions. Cooper Rush was pissed,
he was frustrated at himself.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He left, throw the helmet, throw the hat.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I was like, what is that? Who is that? And
then he used that fire in the second half to
kind of repair that mistake, especially because it cost the
Cowboys that eighty three yard touchdown to Cocher fourteen point swing. So,
I mean, the defense came to play some ball against
a highly confident Bryce. You only talked about it going
into the matchup Bryce Young in that offense and in
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the defense, they almost upset the Panthers, the Bucks, the Eagles,
all playoff teams. Short week for the Cowboys, coming off
of gutting loss against the Bengals, losing to Marveyanov shown,
which is equivalent to just somebody reaching in your chest
and pulling your heart out. My question was which which
team would respond that, which version of the Cowboys would
show up? I liked the version that showed up. This
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version that showed up has a lot of fight on them,
and that was fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's good taking advantage of a bad team.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was, you know, but when you're a bad team.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
When you're a bad team, you with the talent that
you have, regardless of who is on I r who
is not on.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I agreed, you have to be able.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
To take advantage of really bad teams.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
This is a bad team from the jump, like they
started as a bad team one and seven and are
now ending. I mean, of course they had a few
games there were, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Exactly, they were playing better football. We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Playing I don't want anyone say, oh, well it was
the Panthers, you were supposed to know. Actually they.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Took the Eagles to the wire.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
They almost beat the Sheeps, right, so they were they
were playing really good football and Bryce Young was actually
playing really well.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
He had some confidence behind.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
Him and you saw that through even the first half,
even uh, they're marching the ball down the field. And
it's not until Marius Luifou absolutely ends that drive that
was huge, Maris lou leaf Maris leaf o that that oh,
I don't know, part.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Of the bloodline.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
If you will, actually I don't know. I'm just kidding, but.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Shut out, all right.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Well, it's not until he ends that drive where you're like, Okay, finally,
finally the defense is doing something big to take advantage
of this team, and that's what really turned the game around. However,
you give it back to them at the end of
the first half and you have that fourteen pointing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You gave them a chance, you.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Gave it that eighty three yard It would have been
seventeen zip at halftime.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
That eighty three yard touchdown. I haven't even gone back
to watch it. I'm I don't want to. I don't
want to see it again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I never want to see it again.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Control I'll delete my brain. Dude, I'm not ready to
see that again.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
I don't want to know what happened, because that was
just a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Somebody took the the.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Offense, let them just gave it back to them. The
defense had the ball or had a chance to stop them,
did not stop them.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Obviously, a really really, really bad play.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
But you take a breather, you take half time, you
come back and you persevere, and you just.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And feed bully and you've hand off the Bulto Rico dollar.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You would bully Brice young Man. You give them a noogie,
dude on live TV.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
It was rough, per.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Alright, alright, it was in Carolina, dud.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Bullying is not good.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'm not We're not condoning that, no, of course not.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
But that's what you did on live television to another
human being.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
And uh, that's all right. I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
It was nice to see the defense come back and
play really well and bully the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
If I told you, guys, four five weeks into the season,
I asked you think Dallas is gonna have a thousand
yard rusher this season? Oh no, absolutely everybody here would
say I would have said that very good.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Josh might have just because he's been on the There
you go, Yeah, well.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
That music should be playing louder after Sunday, Chris.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Frank, There you go straight.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
He is at a care or high in rushing one
hundred and forty nine times. Michaelccarthy has said weekend and
week out, we need to give this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
To the Baltimore.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
We need to give this guy to the Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They need to give this guy to the Baltimore.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
They finally gave him twenty five touches six yards of carry,
still no rushing touchdown, but it doesn't matter. He set
them up to for success offensively the entire day. Uh man,
you got to give this guy's flowers. And he wants
a thousand yards so bad. Last week in the locker room,
somebody had asked him, He's like, so, Rico, do you
know how much you need for a thous He was
like two hundred.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And sixty something.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I was like, so, how many is that? At sixty
five point seven? And he threw everything that he needed
to get to get to that mark. Now I think
he's only one hundred and twenty yards away with three
games left, so that is a very attainable milestone and
that's something that he wants. So tip of the hat,
Tariko Dobble because he set up I feel like Cooper
Rush for those three touchdown plays, those two the two
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throws that he made to Jalen Brooks and to Jalen
Tolbert were phenomenal. Yes, But at the same time, you know,
you give Cooper Rush his flowers. He managed the game well,
it's what he's gonna do. He's gonna manage the game
well for you, But there are still some moments where
you're just like, oh man, you know, it's the backup
quarterback stuff. And granted, it is incredibly valuable to have
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a backup quarterback like Cooper Rush, who is experienced, who
can manage your offense, and who can win you games.
He's won three out of the last four for this team,
or help them win three out of the last four.
But the play that stuck out to me was I
think it was in the first half. They had a
cross or to Ceedee Lamb and ceed was wide open.
He had his man beat and he had the sideline
to work with, get upfield and maybe score a time touchdown,
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and he just throws it way behind him and CD
was frustrated.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You could see the body lavage from CD.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
And there were there were more than one of those
throws and even the touchdown to CD. I mean that's
just an alpha wide receiver adjustment mid route to come
back to the ball and make that.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Catch fall behind him and everything.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Yeah, so you know, you tip your cap to Cooper Rush.
But there's still things that need to work there. And
then I'll end with you know, the defense. I mean,
I wrote him here we go coming into this game
that a big part of what decides this is who's
going to win on the ground. They helped chew a
Hubbard to thirty two yards on ten cars. That is
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that's a thousand yard rusher right there. That's a guy
who had caught fire these last couple of weeks and
was a big reason why Carolina was hanging around with
the Eagles and the Chiefs and stuff like that. So
tip of the cap to Mike Zimmer. I think his
defense is really coming along here in the back half
of this.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And this is to Tommy's point. Yesterday was such an
up and down ride for Cooper Rush, and there were
those moments like the fumbook snap, the errant throws to
a wide open ceed lamb where you really just did
the forehead slap where you're just like, oh, come on,
but even I mean, I put the accountability on Mike
McCarthy's will on that fumble snap. Because if you're going
to go play actional read option, where's Trey Lance in
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the package like that? You have a read option quarterback
that you can probably use in those situations.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
So I was gonna say, I was gonna say, no, technology,
I know, I completely understand. Yeah, if'rerunning a read option,
Trey Lance should be in the game.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think that.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
Was a read option where he yeah, I think that
was he was he jumps it off to the flat.
But I completely agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean, you know, in those red zone packages like that,
it'd be nice to see some trading.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Absolutely absolutely, but they tried, they have tried.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They have trapped. But to Cooper Rush.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
At the same time, you though, whenever you bring in
Trey Lance in a red zone package for the yeah,
you're showing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What he has an arm not a good one, but
it's it's attached to his body somehow, I.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Mean, I mean good enough for he has very much.
I don't know that for sure. I don't know, but
that showed me to make sure.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, if you're throwing him in the game, you would
have to sprinkle him in in different situations.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You can't put him in and say read option.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yes, they won the game yesterday, but when we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
The ups and downs, we are talking about us downs.
But I was also going to use that as kind
of a segue to giving the roses back to Cooper Rush,
because again, he could have let the fumble snap defeed him.
He could have let the errant throws to feed him.
But instead what does he do in the second quarter,
third and eight, completion the Lamb for twenty yards, third
and three, completing the Lamb deep right, That was a
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twenty twenty six twenty eight yarder, and then in the
red zone third and four the touchdown to Lamb. Now,
that was a bad throw, but Lamb helped him out
on that. If he and Lamb can just get on
the same page, because over the past several weeks that's
the biggest crux of their issues. They've not been able
to get on the same page timing, route wise, And
I get it backup quarterback to wide receiver one. You
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don't get a lot of those reps unless QB one
is out of the picture. Yes, but we're now more
than a month in you would you would expect to
not see those mistimings and miscommunication. So hopefully they kind
of get more on the same page. But at least
we saw more and more of them being on the
same page yesterday.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
And that's not to mention the dot that he threw
to Jalen Brooks as well in the back.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Best throw of his year, maybe career, his career, yeah,
I have seen so far because it was double he
was double covered on the inside, and Brooks just worked
free the fact that Rush had the freelance initially, but
he knew at that point because of the drag routes
and the way that that system was filled, no one's
going to be there from that hash mark. So then
it's a foot race exactly back of the end zone
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is a foot race between he and Jalen Brooks, and
there are Jalen Brooks in the other two corners at
that point, and so he's like, you know what, let's
just put it out there, and sure enough, Jalen Brooks
adjusted to the ball too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Just like Seed Lamb did, but it was a better throw.
He didn't have to do nearly as much.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I was a shout out to to why our Savior's coach,
Robert Prince, because he is clearly I don't know if
he's taking these guys to ballet classes or whatnot, but
when you talk about Jalen Brooks's touchdown and Jalen Tobert's touchdown,
these guys they know how to get those toes down.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Before I get really give enough flowers to Robert Prince,
I would like to see it more than one reception
from guys like Jalen Tolbert and Jalen Brooks. Absolutely, they
had a touchdown and they were both great, but that
it was the only catching.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
A combination of the play caller in the quarterback going
through his reads and either seeing them or not seeing them.
Maybe so, but yeah, I don't, I don't, but I
don't put that on Robert Prince. I think in this
capacity he's doing his job and training up the guys
and coaching up the guys, and then once they're on
the field, it's here's the play, and if the play
is supposed to go to them or maybe the second
or third read. Does Cooper Rush get to the second
or third read? So I think that's some more.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I'm okay with the way that they divvied up
targets yesterday. Ceedee Lamb should get seventy per of your
targets because he's seed the Lamb.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And that's why you yeah, even more so, but let's
keep it going. Because he had one hundred and sixteen
yards receiving yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
With a couple of good throws, a couple of good throws,
he's at one hundred and fifty yards or more and
maybe two touchdowns as well. So I'm okay with feeding
Cede Lamb significantly. But if there's a number two guy,
it's still Brandon Cook's Jake Ferguson. I think he's still
kind of working his way back in.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He hasn't been super impactful as a pass catcher.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But outside of that, it's it's really been who's going
to step up this week? Is it going to be
Cavante Turpin or is it going to be Luke Scoommakers,
Is it going to be Jayalen Tolbert. We haven't seen
a consistent number three guy to this point exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
That consistency because you did see Tolbert obviously caught a
touchdown that was great, but earlier in the game, I
think it was the first half, he had a.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Very crucial drops.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
To me, we've seen that.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
That's what you've seen with Jalen Tolbert. You see, you know,
a great play followed up by a really terrible play.
I mean, it's just the instant since he was there
for sure. But Jonathan Mingo, guys, remember we traded a
fourth round pick for him.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
You talk about another talk about two guys who can't
get on the same page. Jonathan Mingo and Cooper Rush
cannot get on.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
The same zero stats yesterday, he did not make any
stats whatsoever. I mean that that that's for him to
go back to Carolina and not have a single catch,
to me, is a real detriment to the But that was.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Because the hometown guy was getting Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean he had one target, one catch.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, The hometown guy that was getting the rock
was average.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Six yards of carry yesterday, which is insane.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
There was a lot of hometown cooking because Rico, Jalen
Brooks and then easy those Carolina buys.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's I forget about it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Interception. Carolina boys cooked up in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It was much better than the Carolina guys on the
opposite side, like Clowney and uh and Xavier.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Look not so much, not as much. J Hor You
know what, jadeveon Clowney tried to impact the game earlier on,
early on. Shouts out to guys like brock Hoff and TJ.
Bass for shutting that down and especially when too many
Doga went down injury and I once Dooga went down,
my eyes went right to Tyler Got and I was
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glued to Gotten for the remainder of that game, and
Gotten arguably had the best, if not one of the
best games of his.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He fought his ass off.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That was the first thing I thought when I looked
back at it this morning and going back through it doing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Okay, it wasn't perfect, no, no, but it was damn good.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But he was he was fight.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You go back and you look at the touchdown. I
think it was the Jaalen Brooks touchdown, if I'm not mistaken.
Cooper Rush flushed out, flushed himself out to the right.
He actually didn't need to because Tyler Gotton had a
wall over there on the left side on the blind side.
So that's a perfect example of it. And I understand
why Cooper Rush would go out because it would flush
out because it's kind of been uneven on the blind.
It was a broken play, right, but if he had
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the opportunity to My main point is Tyler Guyton, that's
what we want to see, that's what he wants to see.
And I just look forward to him being healthy and
being able to produce because the kids been beat up.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Man, He's just he didn't have a full off season.
We've talked about that many times. I mean, he was
just training.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But the offensive line looked good again. But as as
goes the Cowboys this season, injury Bug doesn't like when
nice things happened to Dallas. So TJ. Bass don't remind me.
I have to remind you. So TJ Bass goes out,
what was tjss thigh THI with a thigh injury. So
he's being monitored and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
We need twenty He had twenty seven snaps. The rest
of the offensive line had twenty nine. That means he
was about two snaps well close just to getting out
of their house.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
So now we will wonder as the week goes on,
what it looks like against the Tempa Bay Buccaneers. But
two many Dooka goes in after going out with injury,
comes back in, goes in the right guard. And we've
said on this this podcast before, and I know I
believe that too, when we get is a better guard
than tackle. But they still were able to protect, and
they still were able to carve lanes for ric O
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Daldo and then Doubtle died the rest. So again, I
can't stress enough, man, there were so many moments in
that game. Talk about the fumb'll talk about the eighty
three yard touchdown, talk about how frustrated Turk and could
have been at Jalen Brooks for not completing that block
on that particular drive because that would have been he
could have crypped. That offense comes out and they end
up scoring a touchdown on that drive with multiple third
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down conversions. The team had a lot of reasons to
give up yesterday and they just refused to.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that is encouraging
to me the most. Not necessarily for playoff hopes or
anything like that. I think we've pretty much hit that
that that's not in your hands anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But you got to build your momentum either way.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
When we come back around Talking Cowboys, I want to
talk about that moment, the fact that a lot of
the shine has gone to the offense in this win,
but this was still a defensive win for the Cowboys.
Mike Zimmer continues to put his guys in the right
spots despite losing two starters for the season over the
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All right, Patrick, Oci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, I'm
Kyle Yeomans, Tommy, I'm going to start with you on
this one. The Cowboys, at multiple points yesterday put up
phenomenal numbers offensively, we talked about CD Lamb, we talked
about Rigo Dabdell, even Cooper Rush with the three passing
touchdowns and some of the throws that he made. Despite
a rough first half, he found a way to slow
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it down, have some consistency and piece together significant drives
in the second half. But at the end of the day,
when you needed a big turnover to start the game,
you had marislea foul punch the football out boom, turnover,
take away, Cowboys get the ball Panthers off the board.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
When the Panthers had all the momentum to start the.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Second half, they had just scored on an eighty three
yard touchdown following the Cooper Rush fumble.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They've got all that momentum, they've got the football, they
can drive and take the lead.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You know what happens the first play of the drive,
Ohsa Digi Zoo gets in there by the way Osazoo.
The fact that we're in the second segment and that's
the first time we've said your name today, I apologize
because you're all over the field yesterday.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
No I said it, did you well?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Thank goodness, Patrick's this and that's why they pay him.
The big bucks. I don't believe you. I will have
to go back and review.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
However, the defense as a whole still making the plays
that you need to get it done. And if you
take one special team's blunder out of the way, you're
at seven and seven because of the way this Cowboys
defense has been playing.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
How much credit deserves to go to mind Zimmer because
of all of that?
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Oh, a ton of it, A ton of it. I mean,
when you look at the way they started this season,
I think you clearly saw a bunch of guys trying
to adjust from one scheme to another. And we even
heard some of the players talk about it. Treyvon Diggs
was vocal about, you know, hey, we're we're still trying
to slow this system.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Down for us.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
We're still trying to get acclimated to this and we're
still trying to pick up the verbiage and where we
need to be and how we can play fast once
we know where to be. Well, now everybody knows where
to be, and you're seeing why Mike Zimmer has been
in the NFL for so long. You're seeing why he's
been credited with having such great defenses. Four turnovers yesterday
you know, Mike McCarthy said that they come in bunches
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after they were negative ten in the turnover margin just
a couple of weeks ago, which is completely uncharacteristic for
a Mike McCarthy team, much less a Mike Zimmer team.
And so now I think they've got that number down
to native five, so slowly but surely they're coming back
to this. But well, you know, Cooper Rushes, you know,
one fumble a game is kind of helping you, not
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really helping you move in the right untunately. Yeah, come on, man.
He did say after the game that he's like, I
don't know what's going on, but I got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
So well, yeah, Mike Zimmer deserves a lot of credit,
and I think he deserves more credit because of the
personnel that he has had to work with. You lose
your superstar and to Marvion rising superstar into Marvion overshown.
Trayvon Diggs is out I think his third game of
the season that he's been out.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
And it's not like he's been healthy all season. He has,
He's missed a few games already.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Absolutely not. You missed Deron Bland for half of the season.
Jordan Lewis gets banged up yesterday. You know, you've got
Eric Kendrick's trying to lead this line back to.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
You, who's been dealing with the shoulder all season exactly.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Michael Parsons is out for a majority of the year,
Tomarcus Lawrence has been Williams available, No Sam Williams, and
so you know you've got to have a guy like
Carl Lawson step up. I think that's one of the
bigger success stories for Michael.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Genuinely he is.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
He's playing phenomenal football. So yeah, Mike Zimmer deserves a
ton of credit. And obviously the record's not going to
reflect it. You know, we can say, yeah, this team
should be seven and seven, which they should, but the reality,
unfortunately is they're not, and so there's nothing you can
do about that. But this defense has come a very
long way. In credit to Michael Parsons because he called
it a couple of weeks ago. He was like, by
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the end of the year, everybody's gonna say this is
a damn good defense, and it's looking like it right.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Everybody called him crazy for it too, And.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Back to Carl Wilson. Really quickly, he started the season
on the practice squad. Yeah, and not a lot of
people give them enough credit for battling back from not
necessarily being in shape at training camp, going to the
practice squad, and now coming back.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
And he's only benefited because of.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I mean, he's extra benefited because of Michael Parson's coming
back into the fold. Michael Parsons has been a leader
on defense, a vocal leader, not only but he's showing
it on the field too. Jordan Lewis's sack on the
day was because Micah Parsons was lined up over center
drops into coverage, which they're like, wait a second, you
can do that, and Jordan Lewis cleans up and one
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of the best plays I've seen from the defense all year.
And you could just see the it's working. Like did
you see Jordan Lewis's celebration after that play, Just like
oh there's a jump man. Basically yeah, it is like
it's come. It's all coming to fruition the defense how
it should be. And like Tommy just said, Michael Parsons
called it a few weeks ago. He's like, you're by
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the end of this year, you're gonna say, man, that
was a good defense.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'm giving Mike Zimbra a ton of credit because one
of the biggest issues with the defense over the first
half of the year was that he was trying to
figure out the personnel set, so he was trying to
run his scheme. But I think we talked about it
a couple of times when talking Cowboys. There's you know,
the Jimmy's and Joe's are exits and nose which one
do you want to give more more credence to. I
personally would say, tailor your scheme to a player, but
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Zimmer initially was trying to tell your players to the scheme.
Now what you're seeing is him putting guys in position
to excel in ways that they can.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Excel because he knows who they are.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Right in being able to do that, you see that, Yes,
you lose the Marveon overshown and guts the heart of
the defense right out of the middle of the defense.
But then Marrislee, if I was able to step right
in and do that and do what he's doing now,
Michael Parsons, he's back, he's thriving. Trayvon Diggs, you're missing
him for some games, But then guess what you coach
up a guy like Josh Butler. Unfortunately you lose him
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after he has that breakout game. But that it all
goes to the Carl Lawstons of the world. Chauncey Ghostings
of the world. Got to shout out Chauncey Ghosting as well,
because these all these air rushers we talk about Mike
Zimmer lost and the Cowboys loss, they've been able to
now on the back half of the season, Mike Zimmer
has look at his group and say, Okay, we don't
look the same way we did in August. I got
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I got to figure out what does Kyle do best,
what does Tommy do best? What is Josh do best?
And those are the positions going to put you in
instead of trying to shoehorn you in somewhere else. And
then I'm just gonna let you play free and think
less frequently and be more of a ball player and
less of a scientist in real time. Right, And these
guys are now flying around. Jordan Lewis with that misdirection
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sect in a combination with Michael Parsons, Jordan Lewis with
the insanely wonderful coverage in the slot against Adam Thelam
then tips that ball up is Eric Kendricks who comes
down with his second interception of the season right, and
the list goes on and on. Osa Odiggy Zua continues, continues,
continues therect shop more and more in the back half
of the season after having a slow start to the
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front half of the season, because he wasn't necessarily being
placed in positions to excel as much as he was
being placed in a spot to do a job. So
now he's playing free. He's looking like twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty two Osa, And like mikea I said
yesterday when I asked him about Osa, not only did
he say he's hard pressed to, you know, compliment a
person who's better at being a human being and a
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leader and a veteran than Osa. But as Osa continue
the direct shot, it makes Micah's job easier, It makes mar
Sean's job easier, so forth, and so on. So Osa
is becoming the straw that stirs the drink in the
middle of that defensive line as he was the past
couple of seasons, and that makes everything to the left,
right and behind him work that much more freely. So
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shouts out to Zimber, things just clicking and shouts out
to the Cowboys locker room because they were never not
bought in everything. Just had to marry together.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No one's quitting, no one's giving up, no one's getting
suspended for you know, actions detrimental to the team. Hi,
it's San Francis good.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I was alright ready.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Then one more thing here really quick. Yeah, just because
this is something I kind of noticed yesterday, and you
guys helped me out here with names here, how about
some credit for Will McLay and Mike McCarthy's staff.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
The amount of undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We talked about it on the postgame show.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Okay, thank you. It was bed had an impact in
this game. Brock Hoffman, t J. Bass, Rico Dudel.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Uh, you've got Brevin span Ford that was on the
field for a little bit.
Speaker 13 (30:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You had Cooper Rush. I mean Cooper Rush. I think
there was a free agent.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I think there was one point where there were for offensively.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
There were seven or eight on the touchdown of Jalen Brooks,
there were seven undred seven.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Free agents on the field. Amazing to be in Cooper
Rush that in the post game. If you're good, they'll
find you. And the Cowboys have done a phenomenal job
of finding pieces. Now these aren't all world game breaking pieces,
but they're helping you win games, helping you win.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Games, contributing to wins.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
For to be able to find that in the undrafted
free agent market, where it's so hit or miss, and
frankly more often missed than it is hit, they're hitting
at a high level.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I have an evil question, I haven't you.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I have an evil no.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I don't know if this would lead into the next break,
but but we know what the Solard cap situation is
going to be. Yes, you know that two of your
the key defensive players are on one year deals, currently
on their final year. The yeah, the final of the
year of their deal you're talking about. And Jordan lewis,
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if you can only keep one?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I described to that, because you can keep both.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
If you can only keep one, that is the evil question. Patrick,
don't cheat.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You can keep Patrick.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
How about your hypothetical?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
He really does, and he loves cheating. He loves getting
out of things.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I like theories and evidence, and the evidence supports the
theory that they both can be returned.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But this is a hypothetical. Is not ethetical? Is this
is an actual hypothetical. We're not talking about actual theory here.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I if you have to keep one and I love
both the top. Yeah, this is tough, but I'm going
to just defer back to.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Most is playing himself giant.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Want to defer back to my belief that you build
a defense front to back. M okay, in which case,
which is fair gun to my head, it's Osa, However,
salary cap wise and tear free agency.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
You can keep believing.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I answered your.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Question, but do you believe that we will keep love?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Honestly, I don't see how you. Yeah, it's more like
it's more likely it's more likely that Jordan. As far
as probabilities, it's more likely that Jordan Lewis is the retention.
As far as probabilities goes, it's more likely that Jordan
looses the retention because Osa is going to command a
pretty dollar He's not a market center though, so that
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that'll that'll work.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'll play Devil's advocate here, just because I know it's
Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
The at this point in the season, Osa is playing
phenomenal football, don't get me wrong, but there's only one
of those two guys that with a winning record.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think and I fullheartedly believe this.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
If the Cowboys had a winning record, Jordan Lewis would
be in the Pro Bowl. He's had Pro Bowl caliber
play all the way through the fourteen game oh wait, yeah,
fourteen games we've played this season. He's been Pro Bowl
caliber in all of them. And he's been relatively healthy.
I think he missed one or two games. He's been
relatively healthy, and he's been great despite some of the
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ups and downs in the secondary. He has been with
two All pros around him, he has been the steady
piece on that secondary. I would give the nod to
Jordan Lewis for a Pro Bowl vote, if, of course
Pro Bol voting is open, you should go vote for
him because he is has the caliber to do it
right now. However, his contract's probably not going to be
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what OSS is because high level interior defensive linemen and
possible pass rushers will get a prettier pinny. So I
think it's more likely, and I think in the grand
scheme of things, it would be just as impactful to
keep a Jordan Lewis in that situation.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
In that hypothetic, I would love to keep both because
I think.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Is ascending and I think Jordan Lewis is despite being
in his second or third contract now, he's still moving
in the right direction as well. Both of those guys
will play through, play well through their their next con
and a leader to the both yeah right and pre draft.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
As we have this conversation, you also don't have an
immediate replacement for either, No, you do not, so keep
that you haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Had a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
It's a pretty easy answer for me, I would say, Osa,
and that's nothing against Jordan Lewis. I mean, Jordan Lewis
is a important locker room piece. He's an important secondary piece.
It's it's it's difficult a good nickel corner in the
NFL that's going to play as well as Jordan Lewis has.
And he's played outside well too when he's needed to.
But I'm a big believer in the in this league
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and in every level of football, you win at the
line of scrimmage. Osa odiggy Zua is winning.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
A lot at the lion of scrimmage.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
He's also three years younger, and Jordan Lewis has been
not not like he's you know, been ravaged by injuries,
but he's been a little banged up this season. We
haven't seen OsO DIGGI zoo on a lot of injury
reports or anything like that. Dude, I know, knock, come on, man,
Well it's not going to be you know what I'm
just saying. Look, I'm just pointing out facts. I'm not
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predicting anything anything like that. But obviously you want to
keep them both. But then again, you look towards this offseason,
you've got those two guys, You've got Michael Parsons, which
is going to take up a big, big, big amount
of your salary cap. So you know, touch decisions are
going to be made. But like I said, I think
you build through the trenches. If you're gonna bring Michael
Parsons back, which the Cowboys absolutely should, then why not
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pair him with another elite defensive tackle who can also
get out of the quarterback and who's been playing some
of his best ball. Frankly could also you could consider
him for a Pro Bowl nod. Maybe not this year,
but if he keeps playing like he has the last
few weeks, he could definitely be there. Next year.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He could absolutely be there.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You just got to see it through the higher season,
and I think from a steady handstandpoint, Jordan Lewis has
been consistent.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Absolutely, whereas Osa is flashed.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I mean, yesterday he was as disruptive as anybody in
terms of a front seven in the NFL up against
the Carolina team that's not super great in their own right,
but their offensive line had been.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Playing well until they saw Oszoo and Michael.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
The answer he couldn't get.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Do you think it's Osa too?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
For all the reasons, Tommy just said.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No, I think it's great. And the evil thing about
this that join Lewis retire come. The very evil thing.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
About this is that we still have three games left
and we have an entire offseason that we could have
this conversation and.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
We will have this commotion when we get to it.
That's the real evil thing.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right, when we come back, did Jordan Lewis or
Osagizuo do enough to earn a smelly sticker? We'll have
our smelly stickers are players of the game when we
come back with more talking cowboys.
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Speaker 2 (38:56):
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Speaker 3 (39:06):
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Beam in the back here on this victory Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm Kyle Yeomans. It is time now for our.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Smelly stickers of the game. Which smelly sticker you're going with?
Who's going to be your player of the game yesterday?
There are a couple guys that deserve some stickers, And
by a couple, I mean a lot of guys. You
had one hundred yard receiver, you had a one hundred
yard and almost one hundred and fifty yard rusher.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You had a interception from a hometown guy. You had
an interception from a savvy linebacker veteran. Got a lot
of ways.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You can go us yesterday, multiple sacks from Michael Parsons.
We'll start with you, Patrick Nosey Walker.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I'm going to go with a peach. Okay, going with
a peach.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's pretty peachy.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
There's the peach and this peach goes to Recodowd. The
reason Rico Daudo gets a peach is because even though
cow stole my bar, I'll say it again, everything is
looking peachy for ric o'dowdle Right now. It's not one
one hundred yard game, not a back to back one
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hundred yard game, but the hat trick bangs.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Another career day. You can't say.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
You can't reco Daudo the first player for the Cowboys
to rush for three games of at least one hundred
yards since Ezekiel Elliott did it back in twenty nineteen.
He is cooking with fish grease, So keep handing him
the ball and he will continue to do great things.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The difference between fish grease and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Oh Man, that's that's a conversation fish grease. We got
u oh Man shaking grease, chicken grease, bacon grease, bacon grease,
bacon grease, that's whole.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
There's all the difference that you can't convinces he had
bacon grease, yet.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
He's at fish grease.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That's higher.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
On the black urban scale. Yeah, of grease temperatures in
Kelvin de grease. Fish grease is the hottest freak.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Doubt you gotta use like a cutting talking grease.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Interesting Also, I love how you were the the Black Panther.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Sure today just well, I'm sure that was a thought process.
Yeah yeah, but Rico doubt he's cooking up something, something nice.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Because we beat the panthers.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, that was a thought process.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
All right, boys, I think I need to give some credence,
some love. I mentioned it earlier, but one MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Parsons.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Yeah, you see this guy here, it's pineapple wering some
glass or he's wearing glasses.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Glasses.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah, it kind of looks like Tommy's glasses.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Nice. Uh, it's Tommy the pineapple.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
He's too he's studied. He's a studious pineapple. He studied,
he knew where to attack them, and he's so sweet.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
He made him taste it.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Shouts to Michael Parsons with the pineapple absolutely killing it.
Shouts to you, buddy, there's a smelly sticker.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He definitely didn't press paws on his way to the No,
he did not yesterday.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
He definitely did not.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
All right, So I got regular shmegular strawberry here.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A regular smegular.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
What do you guys like about strawberries? They're sweet, they're sweet,
they smell great, and.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
It looks good nose.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Sure, I guess you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Uh, they're good for it.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Wait, it makes it very un appetite.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Wait what.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I don't necessarily agree with that. Strawberries Yeah, really interesting, it's.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Very porous nose. A.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, my thing is.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They're good for you, and Ceedee Lamb is good for
the Dallas offense. He is the first Cowboy ever to
have four one thousand yard receiving seasons in his first
five years in the NFL, one hundred and sixteen yards
a touchdown, nine catches on thirteen targets. He should have
had more Ceedee Lamb for this offense. Just like strawberries
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are good for you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Get after it, get after it. I like it, all right.
So you went with Rico Dadle, you went with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Of course you.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Went with Ceedee Lamb. I like it. You guys know
what the state fruit of Carolina is?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
I do, but I'm I'm not. What is it? What
is it? Hold? I think I forgot that. I know
what it is.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
He doesn't. It's okay, yeah, science, it's not. It's not
a peach. That's Georgia, right, absolutely, Okay? The state fruit
of North Carolina is yeah, is.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
A scuppernong grate grape otherwise known as a green grape.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
Ah, the best difference, the best type of grapes call
whatever the hell it's called, I don't even know, but
it's a green grape, is what it is.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
That's what the state fruit of North Carolina is. And
if you look on this grape vine, there's like one, two, three, four, five.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
They're twenty seven grapes. I mean, pressures on that grapevine.
I'm gonna give this to the defensive front seven. You
had Eric Kendricks with a pick. He had oh Sa
Di Gizua with multiple sacks. Karl Lason made some impact.
I'm giving it to the Front seven in general because
they had all those pressures all cooked up against Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
He was never comfortable. It learned, It.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Leaned into takeaways. It leaned into mistake. Six sacks, four takeaways.
Give me the front seven to say, you know what,
I've got the grape now, and I'm making all sorts
of wine.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Grapes, give them, give.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Them wine, gives you grapes.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I'm stomping all those grapes, making some wine.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Cowboys, get to win thirty to fourteen. I hope you
had fun with us today.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
We certainly did.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, we had some fun, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
But yeah, the state grape or the state fruit is
how do you call it?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
What do you call it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Again? Well, in the South we can call it. We
pronounce it scorpi nine scorping.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
That's probably what it is. S c U p p
e r n O ng.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I'm confident we are wild and texting.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
We call them call them grapes.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
They're not grapes though, they're not grapes because they grow
like one of those scorpionines is like three times the
size of a normal size grape. And they're sweeter than grapes.
So and I say this because especially those that are
you know, from the Deep South. If you've ever tasted one,
then you know the difference. And they have those trees
that grow and whatnot. So we used to pick them
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off the tree and just take them in like a
basketback to like my grandma's house. And yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
It can be used. It could be used to make jams,
jellies or wine.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
It's so good, so big, it's sweet, versatile.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
There's like a defensive front seven.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
There's nothing better than grape jelly.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Is that nothing.
Speaker 8 (46:20):
Flavors that's the best.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
That's that's that's the best thing gives me apricot jelly,
grape apple, and strawberry, absolutely strongly, absolutely strong grape.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'm a grape jelly guy.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
That's because you've been indoctrinated on the grape. We all
have been we all have been led to believe that
grape jelly is is the goat, and it is a head,
it is a Muhammad Ali. But I'm telling you you
have others like strawberry and apple who can give you
a run around.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Love strawberry jelly, but just not as much as grape jelly.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That's fair, that's fair, Just letting you know. Grape is
is not alone.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
On the island from the inn.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Throw it on there.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Thanks breaking up at nine in the morning to listen
to this.
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For Chris Bey, for Tommy Yards, for Josh Rodriguez, for
Patrick no Seawalker.
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I'm Kyle Yomen saying so long on a victory Monday.
The Cowboys beat the Panthers thirty to fourteen. We'll see
you tomorrow.
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Rifle Coffee Company, the NFL Vegas.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
A little bit of everyone sprinkled coast.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
To coast at the Carolina Panthers had a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
They thought they had some life. They got even with
a three game losing streak.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They were gonna give the Cowboys everything they could handle.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Not so fast does the.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Cowboys dominate Carolina thirty to fourteen. The final score a
thirty burger, which feels about as rare as a forty
burger at this point in time. But the Cowboys get
it done. They have a phenomenal second half. After a
pitter patter ending to the first half, they said, no
big deal, we fumbled the ball, gave up an eighty
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three yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
All that is fine and.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Dandy, but guess what what, we're gonna find our stride
in the saft and they made it happen. So Cowboys
all of a sudden look like one of the better
road teams in the NFL. Shockingly enough, they're five and
two on the road as opposed to one and six
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But we don't have to talk about that. We'll talk
about that. Yeah, we can talk about that later. That's fine,
that's fine later.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But the Cowboys get it done on the road alongside
Patrick no c Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yaris with Chris
Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans, glad you're with us.
It was a fun trip out to Charlotte, it was,
and the Cowboys rewarded the way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah. And one thing that was the crux of the
Cowboys struggles is once the defense started to turn up
with their takeaways, the offense just would not reward them.
Contrarily that they would find ways to go three and
out and kill long drives with untimely penalties and things
like that. It was yesterday perfect No, because this is
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still a team that's struggling with a whole lot of adversity,
but they found a way. This offense did to continually,
more often than not, reward the defense. So when you
talk about that, you talk about coming out strong in
the third quarter, Panthers first possession, Panthers first snap, you
got OsO Diggi Zowa doing what OsO was doing yesterday.
Cowboys offense gets the ball back, get some points on
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the board, and it kind of second half went from there,
and you just love it. I guess Cooper Rush roses
yesterday because I was hard on him yesterday, especially after
that that fumbled handoff again another one. You gotta repair that.
That cannot happen at this level with simply cannot. But
for the first time ever ever, Cooper Rush is a man.
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He's not a machine. He has emotions. Cooper Rush was pissed,
he was frustrated at himself.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
He left, throw the helmet, throw the hat.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I was like, what is that? Who is that? And
then he used that fire in the second half to
kind of repair that mistake, especially because it cost the
Cowboys that eighty three yard touchdown to Cocher fourteen point swing. So,
I mean, the defense came to play some ball against
a highly confident Bryce. You only talked about it going
into the matchup Bryce Young in that offense and in
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the defense, they almost upset the Panthers, the Bucks, the Eagles,
all playoff teams. Short week for the Cowboys, coming off
of gutting loss against the Bengals, losing to Marveyanov shown,
which is equivalent to just somebody reaching in your chest
and pulling your heart out. My question was which which
team would respond that, which version of the Cowboys would
show up? I liked the version that showed up. This
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version that showed up has a lot of fight on them,
and that was fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's good taking advantage of a bad team.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was, you know, but when you're a bad team.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
When you're a bad team, you with the talent that
you have, regardless of who is on I r who
is not on.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I agreed, you have to be able.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
To take advantage of really bad teams.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
This is a bad team from the jump, like they
started as a bad team one and seven and are
now ending. I mean, of course they had a few
games there were, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Exactly, they were playing better football. We talked about it.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Playing I don't want anyone say, oh, well it was
the Panthers, you were supposed to know. Actually they.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Took the Eagles to the wire.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
They almost beat the Sheeps, right, so they were they
were playing really good football and Bryce Young was actually
playing really well.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
He had some confidence behind.
Speaker 7 (04:58):
Him and you saw that through even the first half,
even uh, they're marching the ball down the field. And
it's not until Marius Luifou absolutely ends that drive that
was huge, Maris lou leaf Maris leaf o that that oh,
I don't know, part.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Of the bloodline.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
If you will, actually I don't know. I'm just kidding, but.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Shut out, all right.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Well, it's not until he ends that drive where you're like, Okay, finally,
finally the defense is doing something big to take advantage
of this team, and that's what really turned the game around. However,
you give it back to them at the end of
the first half and you have that fourteen pointing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You gave them a chance, you.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Gave it that eighty three yard It would have been
seventeen zip at halftime.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
That eighty three yard touchdown. I haven't even gone back
to watch it. I'm I don't want to. I don't
want to see it again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I never want to see it again.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Control I'll delete my brain. Dude, I'm not ready to
see that again.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
I don't want to know what happened, because that was
just a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Somebody took the the.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Offense, let them just gave it back to them. The
defense had the ball or had a chance to stop them,
did not stop them.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Obviously, a really really, really bad play.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
But you take a breather, you take half time, you
come back and you persevere, and you just.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And feed bully and you've hand off the Bulto Rico dollar.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You would bully Brice young Man. You give them a noogie,
dude on live TV.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
It was rough, per.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Alright, alright, it was in Carolina, dud.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Bullying is not good.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I'm not We're not condoning that, no, of course not.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
But that's what you did on live television to another
human being.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
And uh, that's all right. I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
It was nice to see the defense come back and
play really well and bully the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
If I told you, guys, four five weeks into the season,
I asked you think Dallas is gonna have a thousand
yard rusher this season? Oh no, absolutely everybody here would
say I would have said that very good.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Josh might have just because he's been on the There
you go, Yeah, well.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
That music should be playing louder after Sunday, Chris.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Frank, There you go straight.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
He is at a care or high in rushing one
hundred and forty nine times. Michaelccarthy has said weekend and
week out, we need to give this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
To the Baltimore.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
We need to give this guy to the Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They need to give this guy to the Baltimore.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
They finally gave him twenty five touches six yards of carry,
still no rushing touchdown, but it doesn't matter. He set
them up to for success offensively the entire day. Uh man,
you got to give this guy's flowers. And he wants
a thousand yards so bad. Last week in the locker room,
somebody had asked him, He's like, so, Rico, do you
know how much you need for a thous He was
like two hundred.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And sixty something.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I was like, so, how many is that? At sixty
five point seven? And he threw everything that he needed
to get to get to that mark. Now I think
he's only one hundred and twenty yards away with three
games left, so that is a very attainable milestone and
that's something that he wants. So tip of the hat,
Tariko Dobble because he set up I feel like Cooper
Rush for those three touchdown plays, those two the two
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throws that he made to Jalen Brooks and to Jalen
Tolbert were phenomenal. Yes, But at the same time, you know,
you give Cooper Rush his flowers. He managed the game well,
it's what he's gonna do. He's gonna manage the game
well for you, But there are still some moments where
you're just like, oh man, you know, it's the backup
quarterback stuff. And granted, it is incredibly valuable to have
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a backup quarterback like Cooper Rush, who is experienced, who
can manage your offense, and who can win you games.
He's won three out of the last four for this team,
or help them win three out of the last four.
But the play that stuck out to me was I
think it was in the first half. They had a
cross or to Ceedee Lamb and ceed was wide open.
He had his man beat and he had the sideline
to work with, get upfield and maybe score a time touchdown,
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and he just throws it way behind him and CD
was frustrated.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
You could see the body lavage from CD.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
And there were there were more than one of those
throws and even the touchdown to CD. I mean that's
just an alpha wide receiver adjustment mid route to come
back to the ball and make that.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Catch fall behind him and everything.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Yeah, so you know, you tip your cap to Cooper Rush.
But there's still things that need to work there. And
then I'll end with you know, the defense. I mean,
I wrote him here we go coming into this game
that a big part of what decides this is who's
going to win on the ground. They helped chew a
Hubbard to thirty two yards on ten cars. That is
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that's a thousand yard rusher right there. That's a guy
who had caught fire these last couple of weeks and
was a big reason why Carolina was hanging around with
the Eagles and the Chiefs and stuff like that. So
tip of the cap to Mike Zimmer. I think his
defense is really coming along here in the back half
of this.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
And this is to Tommy's point. Yesterday was such an
up and down ride for Cooper Rush, and there were
those moments like the fumbook snap, the errant throws to
a wide open ceed lamb where you really just did
the forehead slap where you're just like, oh, come on,
but even I mean, I put the accountability on Mike
McCarthy's will on that fumble snap. Because if you're going
to go play actional read option, where's Trey Lance in
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the package like that? You have a read option quarterback
that you can probably use in those situations.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
So I was gonna say, I was gonna say, no, technology,
I know, I completely understand. Yeah, if'rerunning a read option,
Trey Lance should be in the game.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think that.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
Was a read option where he yeah, I think that
was he was he jumps it off to the flat.
But I completely agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean, you know, in those red zone packages like that,
it'd be nice to see some trading.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Absolutely absolutely, but they tried, they have tried.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They have trapped. But to Cooper Rush.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
At the same time, you though, whenever you bring in
Trey Lance in a red zone package for the yeah,
you're showing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
What he has an arm not a good one, but
it's it's attached to his body somehow, I.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Mean, I mean good enough for he has very much.
I don't know that for sure. I don't know, but
that showed me to make sure.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah, if you're throwing him in the game, you would
have to sprinkle him in in different situations.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You can't put him in and say read option.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yes, they won the game yesterday, but when we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
The ups and downs, we are talking about us downs.
But I was also going to use that as kind
of a segue to giving the roses back to Cooper Rush,
because again, he could have let the fumble snap defeed him.
He could have let the errant throws to feed him.
But instead what does he do in the second quarter,
third and eight, completion the Lamb for twenty yards, third
and three, completing the Lamb deep right, That was a
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twenty twenty six twenty eight yarder, and then in the
red zone third and four the touchdown to Lamb. Now,
that was a bad throw, but Lamb helped him out
on that. If he and Lamb can just get on
the same page, because over the past several weeks that's
the biggest crux of their issues. They've not been able
to get on the same page timing, route wise, And
I get it backup quarterback to wide receiver one. You
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don't get a lot of those reps unless QB one
is out of the picture. Yes, but we're now more
than a month in you would you would expect to
not see those mistimings and miscommunication. So hopefully they kind
of get more on the same page. But at least
we saw more and more of them being on the
same page yesterday.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
And that's not to mention the dot that he threw
to Jalen Brooks as well in the back.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Best throw of his year, maybe career, his career, yeah,
I have seen so far because it was double he
was double covered on the inside, and Brooks just worked
free the fact that Rush had the freelance initially, but
he knew at that point because of the drag routes
and the way that that system was filled, no one's
going to be there from that hash mark. So then
it's a foot race exactly back of the end zone
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is a foot race between he and Jalen Brooks, and
there are Jalen Brooks in the other two corners at
that point, and so he's like, you know what, let's
just put it out there, and sure enough, Jalen Brooks
adjusted to the ball too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Just like Seed Lamb did, but it was a better throw.
He didn't have to do nearly as much.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I was a shout out to to why our Savior's coach,
Robert Prince, because he is clearly I don't know if
he's taking these guys to ballet classes or whatnot, but
when you talk about Jalen Brooks's touchdown and Jalen Tobert's touchdown,
these guys they know how to get those toes down.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Before I get really give enough flowers to Robert Prince,
I would like to see it more than one reception
from guys like Jalen Tolbert and Jalen Brooks. Absolutely, they
had a touchdown and they were both great, but that
it was the only catching.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
A combination of the play caller in the quarterback going
through his reads and either seeing them or not seeing them.
Maybe so, but yeah, I don't, I don't, but I
don't put that on Robert Prince. I think in this
capacity he's doing his job and training up the guys
and coaching up the guys, and then once they're on
the field, it's here's the play, and if the play
is supposed to go to them or maybe the second
or third read. Does Cooper Rush get to the second
or third read? So I think that's some more.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I'm okay with the way that they divvied up
targets yesterday. Ceedee Lamb should get seventy per of your
targets because he's seed the Lamb.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And that's why you yeah, even more so, but let's
keep it going. Because he had one hundred and sixteen
yards receiving yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
With a couple of good throws, a couple of good throws,
he's at one hundred and fifty yards or more and
maybe two touchdowns as well. So I'm okay with feeding
Cede Lamb significantly. But if there's a number two guy,
it's still Brandon Cook's Jake Ferguson. I think he's still
kind of working his way back in.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
He hasn't been super impactful as a pass catcher.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But outside of that, it's it's really been who's going
to step up this week? Is it going to be
Cavante Turpin or is it going to be Luke Scoommakers,
Is it going to be Jayalen Tolbert. We haven't seen
a consistent number three guy to this point exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
That consistency because you did see Tolbert obviously caught a
touchdown that was great, but earlier in the game, I
think it was the first half, he had a.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Very crucial drops.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
To me, we've seen that.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
That's what you've seen with Jalen Tolbert. You see, you know,
a great play followed up by a really terrible play.
I mean, it's just the instant since he was there
for sure. But Jonathan Mingo, guys, remember we traded a
fourth round pick for him.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
You talk about another talk about two guys who can't
get on the same page. Jonathan Mingo and Cooper Rush
cannot get on.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
The same zero stats yesterday, he did not make any
stats whatsoever. I mean that that that's for him to
go back to Carolina and not have a single catch,
to me, is a real detriment to the But that was.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Because the hometown guy was getting Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean he had one target, one catch.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, The hometown guy that was getting the rock
was average.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Six yards of carry yesterday, which is insane.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
There was a lot of hometown cooking because Rico, Jalen
Brooks and then easy those Carolina buys.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's I forget about it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Interception. Carolina boys cooked up in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It was much better than the Carolina guys on the
opposite side, like Clowney and uh and Xavier.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Look not so much, not as much. J Hor You
know what, jadeveon Clowney tried to impact the game earlier on,
early on. Shouts out to guys like brock Hoff and TJ.
Bass for shutting that down and especially when too many
Doga went down injury and I once Dooga went down,
my eyes went right to Tyler Got and I was
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glued to Gotten for the remainder of that game, and
Gotten arguably had the best, if not one of the
best games of his.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
He fought his ass off.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That was the first thing I thought when I looked
back at it this morning and going back through it doing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Okay, it wasn't perfect, no, no, but it was damn good.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But he was he was fight.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You go back and you look at the touchdown. I
think it was the Jaalen Brooks touchdown, if I'm not mistaken.
Cooper Rush flushed out, flushed himself out to the right.
He actually didn't need to because Tyler Gotton had a
wall over there on the left side on the blind side.
So that's a perfect example of it. And I understand
why Cooper Rush would go out because it would flush
out because it's kind of been uneven on the blind.
It was a broken play, right, but if he had
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the opportunity to My main point is Tyler Guyton, that's
what we want to see, that's what he wants to see.
And I just look forward to him being healthy and
being able to produce because the kids been beat up.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Man, He's just he didn't have a full off season.
We've talked about that many times. I mean, he was
just training.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But the offensive line looked good again. But as as
goes the Cowboys this season, injury Bug doesn't like when
nice things happened to Dallas. So TJ. Bass don't remind me.
I have to remind you. So TJ Bass goes out,
what was tjss thigh THI with a thigh injury. So
he's being monitored and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
We need twenty He had twenty seven snaps. The rest
of the offensive line had twenty nine. That means he
was about two snaps well close just to getting out
of their house.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
So now we will wonder as the week goes on,
what it looks like against the Tempa Bay Buccaneers. But
two many Dooka goes in after going out with injury,
comes back in, goes in the right guard. And we've
said on this this podcast before, and I know I
believe that too, when we get is a better guard
than tackle. But they still were able to protect, and
they still were able to carve lanes for ric O
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Daldo and then Doubtle died the rest. So again, I
can't stress enough, man, there were so many moments in
that game. Talk about the fumb'll talk about the eighty
three yard touchdown, talk about how frustrated Turk and could
have been at Jalen Brooks for not completing that block
on that particular drive because that would have been he
could have crypped. That offense comes out and they end
up scoring a touchdown on that drive with multiple third
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down conversions. The team had a lot of reasons to
give up yesterday and they just refused to.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that is encouraging
to me the most. Not necessarily for playoff hopes or
anything like that. I think we've pretty much hit that
that that's not in your hands anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But you got to build your momentum either way.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
When we come back around Talking Cowboys, I want to
talk about that moment, the fact that a lot of
the shine has gone to the offense in this win,
but this was still a defensive win for the Cowboys.
Mike Zimmer continues to put his guys in the right
spots despite losing two starters for the season over the
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All right, Patrick, Oci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy Yarish, I'm
Kyle Yeomans, Tommy, I'm going to start with you on
this one. The Cowboys, at multiple points yesterday put up
phenomenal numbers offensively, we talked about CD Lamb, we talked
about Rigo Dabdell, even Cooper Rush with the three passing
touchdowns and some of the throws that he made. Despite
a rough first half, he found a way to slow
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it down, have some consistency and piece together significant drives
in the second half. But at the end of the day,
when you needed a big turnover to start the game,
you had marislea foul punch the football out boom, turnover,
take away, Cowboys get the ball Panthers off the board.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
When the Panthers had all the momentum to start the.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Second half, they had just scored on an eighty three
yard touchdown following the Cooper Rush fumble.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They've got all that momentum, they've got the football, they
can drive and take the lead.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You know what happens the first play of the drive,
Ohsa Digi Zoo gets in there by the way Osazoo.
The fact that we're in the second segment and that's
the first time we've said your name today, I apologize
because you're all over the field yesterday.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
No I said it, did you well?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Thank goodness, Patrick's this and that's why they pay him.
The big bucks. I don't believe you. I will have
to go back and review.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
However, the defense as a whole still making the plays
that you need to get it done. And if you
take one special team's blunder out of the way, you're
at seven and seven because of the way this Cowboys
defense has been playing.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
How much credit deserves to go to mind Zimmer because
of all of that?
Speaker 8 (23:12):
Oh, a ton of it, A ton of it. I mean,
when you look at the way they started this season,
I think you clearly saw a bunch of guys trying
to adjust from one scheme to another. And we even
heard some of the players talk about it. Treyvon Diggs
was vocal about, you know, hey, we're we're still trying
to slow this system.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Down for us.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
We're still trying to get acclimated to this and we're
still trying to pick up the verbiage and where we
need to be and how we can play fast once
we know where to be. Well, now everybody knows where
to be, and you're seeing why Mike Zimmer has been
in the NFL for so long. You're seeing why he's
been credited with having such great defenses. Four turnovers yesterday
you know, Mike McCarthy said that they come in bunches
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after they were negative ten in the turnover margin just
a couple of weeks ago, which is completely uncharacteristic for
a Mike McCarthy team, much less a Mike Zimmer team.
And so now I think they've got that number down
to native five, so slowly but surely they're coming back
to this. But well, you know, Cooper Rushes, you know,
one fumble a game is kind of helping you, not
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really helping you move in the right untunately. Yeah, come on, man.
He did say after the game that he's like, I
don't know what's going on, but I got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
So well, yeah, Mike Zimmer deserves a lot of credit,
and I think he deserves more credit because of the
personnel that he has had to work with. You lose
your superstar and to Marvion rising superstar into Marvion overshown.
Trayvon Diggs is out I think his third game of
the season that he's been out.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
And it's not like he's been healthy all season. He has,
He's missed a few games already.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Absolutely not. You missed Deron Bland for half of the season.
Jordan Lewis gets banged up yesterday. You know, you've got
Eric Kendrick's trying to lead this line back to.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
You, who's been dealing with the shoulder all season exactly.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Michael Parsons is out for a majority of the year,
Tomarcus Lawrence has been Williams available, No Sam Williams, and
so you know you've got to have a guy like
Carl Lawson step up. I think that's one of the
bigger success stories for Michael.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Genuinely he is.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
He's playing phenomenal football. So yeah, Mike Zimmer deserves a
ton of credit. And obviously the record's not going to
reflect it. You know, we can say, yeah, this team
should be seven and seven, which they should, but the reality,
unfortunately is they're not, and so there's nothing you can
do about that. But this defense has come a very
long way. In credit to Michael Parsons because he called
it a couple of weeks ago. He was like, by
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the end of the year, everybody's gonna say this is
a damn good defense, and it's looking like it right.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Everybody called him crazy for it too, And.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Back to Carl Wilson. Really quickly, he started the season
on the practice squad. Yeah, and not a lot of
people give them enough credit for battling back from not
necessarily being in shape at training camp, going to the
practice squad, and now coming back.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
And he's only benefited because of.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
I mean, he's extra benefited because of Michael Parson's coming
back into the fold. Michael Parsons has been a leader
on defense, a vocal leader, not only but he's showing
it on the field too. Jordan Lewis's sack on the
day was because Micah Parsons was lined up over center
drops into coverage, which they're like, wait a second, you
can do that, and Jordan Lewis cleans up and one
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of the best plays I've seen from the defense all year.
And you could just see the it's working. Like did
you see Jordan Lewis's celebration after that play, Just like
oh there's a jump man. Basically yeah, it is like
it's come. It's all coming to fruition the defense how
it should be. And like Tommy just said, Michael Parsons
called it a few weeks ago. He's like, you're by
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the end of this year, you're gonna say, man, that
was a good defense.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'm giving Mike Zimbra a ton of credit because one
of the biggest issues with the defense over the first
half of the year was that he was trying to
figure out the personnel set, so he was trying to
run his scheme. But I think we talked about it
a couple of times when talking Cowboys. There's you know,
the Jimmy's and Joe's are exits and nose which one
do you want to give more more credence to. I
personally would say, tailor your scheme to a player, but
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Zimmer initially was trying to tell your players to the scheme.
Now what you're seeing is him putting guys in position
to excel in ways that they can.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Excel because he knows who they are.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Right in being able to do that, you see that, Yes,
you lose the Marveon overshown and guts the heart of
the defense right out of the middle of the defense.
But then Marrislee, if I was able to step right
in and do that and do what he's doing now,
Michael Parsons, he's back, he's thriving. Trayvon Diggs, you're missing
him for some games, But then guess what you coach
up a guy like Josh Butler. Unfortunately you lose him
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after he has that breakout game. But that it all
goes to the Carl Lawstons of the world. Chauncey Ghostings
of the world. Got to shout out Chauncey Ghosting as well,
because these all these air rushers we talk about Mike
Zimmer lost and the Cowboys loss, they've been able to
now on the back half of the season, Mike Zimmer
has look at his group and say, Okay, we don't
look the same way we did in August. I got
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I got to figure out what does Kyle do best,
what does Tommy do best? What is Josh do best?
And those are the positions going to put you in
instead of trying to shoehorn you in somewhere else. And
then I'm just gonna let you play free and think
less frequently and be more of a ball player and
less of a scientist in real time. Right, And these
guys are now flying around. Jordan Lewis with that misdirection
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sect in a combination with Michael Parsons, Jordan Lewis with
the insanely wonderful coverage in the slot against Adam Thelam
then tips that ball up is Eric Kendricks who comes
down with his second interception of the season right, and
the list goes on and on. Osa Odiggy Zua continues, continues,
continues therect shop more and more in the back half
of the season after having a slow start to the
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front half of the season, because he wasn't necessarily being
placed in positions to excel as much as he was
being placed in a spot to do a job. So
now he's playing free. He's looking like twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty two Osa, And like mikea I said
yesterday when I asked him about Osa, not only did
he say he's hard pressed to, you know, compliment a
person who's better at being a human being and a
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leader and a veteran than Osa. But as Osa continue
the direct shot, it makes Micah's job easier, It makes mar
Sean's job easier, so forth, and so on. So Osa
is becoming the straw that stirs the drink in the
middle of that defensive line as he was the past
couple of seasons, and that makes everything to the left,
right and behind him work that much more freely. So
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shouts out to Zimber, things just clicking and shouts out
to the Cowboys locker room because they were never not
bought in everything. Just had to marry together.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No one's quitting, no one's giving up, no one's getting
suspended for you know, actions detrimental to the team. Hi,
it's San Francis good.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I was alright ready.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Then one more thing here really quick. Yeah, just because
this is something I kind of noticed yesterday, and you
guys helped me out here with names here, how about
some credit for Will McLay and Mike McCarthy's staff.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
The amount of undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We talked about it on the postgame show.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Okay, thank you. It was bed had an impact in
this game. Brock Hoffman, t J. Bass, Rico Dudel.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Uh, you've got Brevin span Ford that was on the
field for a little bit.
Speaker 13 (30:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You had Cooper Rush. I mean Cooper Rush. I think
there was a free agent.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
I think there was one point where there were for offensively.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
There were seven or eight on the touchdown of Jalen Brooks,
there were seven undred seven.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Free agents on the field. Amazing to be in Cooper
Rush that in the post game. If you're good, they'll
find you. And the Cowboys have done a phenomenal job
of finding pieces. Now these aren't all world game breaking pieces,
but they're helping you win games, helping you win.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Games, contributing to wins.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
For to be able to find that in the undrafted
free agent market, where it's so hit or miss, and
frankly more often missed than it is hit, they're hitting
at a high level.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I have an evil question, I haven't you.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
I have an evil no.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I don't know if this would lead into the next break,
but but we know what the Solard cap situation is
going to be. Yes, you know that two of your
the key defensive players are on one year deals, currently
on their final year. The yeah, the final of the
year of their deal you're talking about. And Jordan lewis,
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if you can only keep one?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I described to that, because you can keep both.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
If you can only keep one, that is the evil question. Patrick,
don't cheat.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
You can keep Patrick.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
How about your hypothetical?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
He really does, and he loves cheating. He loves getting
out of things.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I like theories and evidence, and the evidence supports the
theory that they both can be returned.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But this is a hypothetical. Is not ethetical? Is this
is an actual hypothetical. We're not talking about actual theory here.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I if you have to keep one and I love
both the top. Yeah, this is tough, but I'm going
to just defer back to.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Most is playing himself giant.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Want to defer back to my belief that you build
a defense front to back. M okay, in which case,
which is fair gun to my head, it's Osa, However,
salary cap wise and tear free agency.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
You can keep believing.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I answered your.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Question, but do you believe that we will keep love?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Honestly, I don't see how you. Yeah, it's more like
it's more likely it's more likely that Jordan. As far
as probabilities, it's more likely that Jordan Lewis is the retention.
As far as probabilities goes, it's more likely that Jordan
looses the retention because Osa is going to command a
pretty dollar He's not a market center though, so that
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that'll that'll work.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'll play Devil's advocate here, just because I know it's
Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
The at this point in the season, Osa is playing
phenomenal football, don't get me wrong, but there's only one
of those two guys that with a winning record.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I think and I fullheartedly believe this.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
If the Cowboys had a winning record, Jordan Lewis would
be in the Pro Bowl. He's had Pro Bowl caliber
play all the way through the fourteen game oh wait, yeah,
fourteen games we've played this season. He's been Pro Bowl
caliber in all of them. And he's been relatively healthy.
I think he missed one or two games. He's been
relatively healthy, and he's been great despite some of the
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ups and downs in the secondary. He has been with
two All pros around him, he has been the steady
piece on that secondary. I would give the nod to
Jordan Lewis for a Pro Bowl vote, if, of course
Pro Bol voting is open, you should go vote for
him because he is has the caliber to do it
right now. However, his contract's probably not going to be
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what OSS is because high level interior defensive linemen and
possible pass rushers will get a prettier pinny. So I
think it's more likely, and I think in the grand
scheme of things, it would be just as impactful to
keep a Jordan Lewis in that situation.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
In that hypothetic, I would love to keep both because
I think.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Is ascending and I think Jordan Lewis is despite being
in his second or third contract now, he's still moving
in the right direction as well. Both of those guys
will play through, play well through their their next con
and a leader to the both yeah right and pre draft.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
As we have this conversation, you also don't have an
immediate replacement for either, No, you do not, so keep
that you haven't.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Had a lot of.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
It's a pretty easy answer for me, I would say, Osa,
and that's nothing against Jordan Lewis. I mean, Jordan Lewis
is a important locker room piece. He's an important secondary piece.
It's it's it's difficult a good nickel corner in the
NFL that's going to play as well as Jordan Lewis has.
And he's played outside well too when he's needed to.
But I'm a big believer in the in this league
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and in every level of football, you win at the
line of scrimmage. Osa odiggy Zua is winning.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
A lot at the lion of scrimmage.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
He's also three years younger, and Jordan Lewis has been
not not like he's you know, been ravaged by injuries,
but he's been a little banged up this season. We
haven't seen OsO DIGGI zoo on a lot of injury
reports or anything like that. Dude, I know, knock, come on, man,
Well it's not going to be you know what I'm
just saying. Look, I'm just pointing out facts. I'm not
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predicting anything anything like that. But obviously you want to
keep them both. But then again, you look towards this offseason,
you've got those two guys, You've got Michael Parsons, which
is going to take up a big, big, big amount
of your salary cap. So you know, touch decisions are
going to be made. But like I said, I think
you build through the trenches. If you're gonna bring Michael
Parsons back, which the Cowboys absolutely should, then why not
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pair him with another elite defensive tackle who can also
get out of the quarterback and who's been playing some
of his best ball. Frankly could also you could consider
him for a Pro Bowl nod. Maybe not this year,
but if he keeps playing like he has the last
few weeks, he could definitely be there. Next year.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He could absolutely be there.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You just got to see it through the higher season,
and I think from a steady handstandpoint, Jordan Lewis has
been consistent.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Absolutely, whereas Osa is flashed.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I mean, yesterday he was as disruptive as anybody in
terms of a front seven in the NFL up against
the Carolina team that's not super great in their own right,
but their offensive line had been.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Playing well until they saw Oszoo and Michael.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
The answer he couldn't get.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Do you think it's Osa too?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
For all the reasons, Tommy just said.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No, I think it's great. And the evil thing about
this that join Lewis retire come. The very evil thing.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
About this is that we still have three games left
and we have an entire offseason that we could have
this conversation and.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
We will have this commotion when we get to it.
That's the real evil thing.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right, when we come back, did Jordan Lewis or
Osagizuo do enough to earn a smelly sticker? We'll have
our smelly stickers are players of the game when we
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Beam in the back here on this victory Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm Kyle Yeomans. It is time now for our.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Smelly stickers of the game. Which smelly sticker you're going with?
Who's going to be your player of the game yesterday?
There are a couple guys that deserve some stickers, And
by a couple, I mean a lot of guys. You
had one hundred yard receiver, you had a one hundred
yard and almost one hundred and fifty yard rusher.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
You had a interception from a hometown guy. You had
an interception from a savvy linebacker veteran. Got a lot
of ways.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You can go us yesterday, multiple sacks from Michael Parsons.
We'll start with you, Patrick Nosey Walker.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I'm going to go with a peach. Okay, going with
a peach.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's pretty peachy.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
There's the peach and this peach goes to Recodowd. The
reason Rico Daudo gets a peach is because even though
cow stole my bar, I'll say it again, everything is
looking peachy for ric o'dowdle Right now. It's not one
one hundred yard game, not a back to back one
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hundred yard game, but the hat trick bangs.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Another career day. You can't say.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
You can't reco Daudo the first player for the Cowboys
to rush for three games of at least one hundred
yards since Ezekiel Elliott did it back in twenty nineteen.
He is cooking with fish grease, So keep handing him
the ball and he will continue to do great things.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The difference between fish grease and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Oh Man, that's that's a conversation fish grease. We got
u oh Man shaking grease, chicken grease, bacon grease, bacon grease,
bacon grease, that's whole.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
There's all the difference that you can't convinces he had
bacon grease, yet.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
He's at fish grease.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
That's higher.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
On the black urban scale. Yeah, of grease temperatures in
Kelvin de grease. Fish grease is the hottest freak.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
Doubt you gotta use like a cutting talking grease.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Interesting Also, I love how you were the the Black Panther.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Sure today just well, I'm sure that was a thought process.
Yeah yeah, but Rico doubt he's cooking up something, something nice.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Because we beat the panthers.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, that was a thought process.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
All right, boys, I think I need to give some credence,
some love. I mentioned it earlier, but one MICHAEH.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Parsons.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Yeah, you see this guy here, it's pineapple wering some
glass or he's wearing glasses.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Glasses.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah, it kind of looks like Tommy's glasses.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Nice. Uh, it's Tommy the pineapple.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
He's too he's studied. He's a studious pineapple. He studied,
he knew where to attack them, and he's so sweet.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
He made him taste it.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Shouts to Michael Parsons with the pineapple absolutely killing it.
Shouts to you, buddy, there's a smelly sticker.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
He definitely didn't press paws on his way to the No,
he did not yesterday.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
He definitely did not.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
All right, So I got regular shmegular strawberry here.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A regular smegular.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
What do you guys like about strawberries? They're sweet, they're sweet,
they smell great, and.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
It looks good nose.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Sure, I guess you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Uh, they're good for it.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Wait, it makes it very un appetite.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Wait what.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Not?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I don't necessarily agree with that. Strawberries Yeah, really interesting, it's.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Very porous nose. A.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Well, my thing is.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They're good for you, and Ceedee Lamb is good for
the Dallas offense. He is the first Cowboy ever to
have four one thousand yard receiving seasons in his first
five years in the NFL, one hundred and sixteen yards
a touchdown, nine catches on thirteen targets. He should have
had more Ceedee Lamb for this offense. Just like strawberries
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are good for you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Get after it, get after it. I like it, all right.
So you went with Rico Dadle, you went with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Of course you.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Went with Ceedee Lamb. I like it. You guys know
what the state fruit of Carolina is?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
I do, but I'm I'm not. What is it? What
is it? Hold? I think I forgot that. I know
what it is.
Speaker 11 (43:50):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
He doesn't. It's okay, yeah, science, it's not. It's not
a peach. That's Georgia, right, absolutely, Okay? The state fruit
of North Carolina is yeah, is.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
A scuppernong grate grape otherwise known as a green grape.
Speaker 7 (44:10):
Ah, the best difference, the best type of grapes call
whatever the hell it's called, I don't even know, but
it's a green grape, is what it is.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
That's what the state fruit of North Carolina is. And
if you look on this grape vine, there's like one, two, three, four, five.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
They're twenty seven grapes. I mean, pressures on that grapevine.
I'm gonna give this to the defensive front seven. You
had Eric Kendricks with a pick. He had oh Sa
Di Gizua with multiple sacks. Karl Lason made some impact.
I'm giving it to the Front seven in general because
they had all those pressures all cooked up against Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
He was never comfortable. It learned, It.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Leaned into takeaways. It leaned into mistake. Six sacks, four takeaways.
Give me the front seven to say, you know what,
I've got the grape now, and I'm making all sorts
of wine.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Grapes, give them, give.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Them wine, gives you grapes.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
I'm stomping all those grapes, making some wine.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Cowboys, get to win thirty to fourteen. I hope you
had fun with us today.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
We certainly did.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, we had some fun, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
But yeah, the state grape or the state fruit is
how do you call it?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
What do you call it?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Again? Well, in the South we can call it. We
pronounce it scorpi nine scorping.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
That's probably what it is. S c U p p
e r n O ng.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
I'm confident we are wild and texting.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
We call them call them grapes.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
They're not grapes though, they're not grapes because they grow
like one of those scorpionines is like three times the
size of a normal size grape. And they're sweeter than grapes.
So and I say this because especially those that are
you know, from the Deep South. If you've ever tasted one,
then you know the difference. And they have those trees
that grow and whatnot. So we used to pick them
(45:58):
off the tree and just take them in like a
basketback to like my grandma's house. And yeah, we're not.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
It can be used. It could be used to make jams,
jellies or wine.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
It's so good, so big, it's sweet, versatile.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
There's like a defensive front seven.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
There's nothing better than grape jelly.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Is that nothing.
Speaker 8 (46:20):
Flavors that's the best.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
That's that's that's the best thing gives me apricot jelly,
grape apple, and strawberry, absolutely strongly, absolutely strong grape.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'm a grape jelly guy.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
That's because you've been indoctrinated on the grape. We all
have been we all have been led to believe that
grape jelly is is the goat, and it is a head,
it is a Muhammad Ali. But I'm telling you you
have others like strawberry and apple who can give you
a run around.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Love strawberry jelly, but just not as much as grape jelly.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That's fair, that's fair, Just letting you know. Grape is
is not alone.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
On the island from the inn.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Throw it on there.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Thanks breaking up at nine in the morning to listen
to this.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
For Chris Bey, for Tommy Yards, for Josh Rodriguez, for
Patrick no Seawalker.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I'm Kyle Yomen saying so long on a victory Monday.
The Cowboys beat the Panthers thirty to fourteen. We'll see
you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club
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