Season 2 - Ep 11 - On the Wings of Love - A celebration of all things Wings Hauser - The After Movie Diner Podcast

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of petty minded and wretched individual whonegatively reviews free entertainment they do not need
to be consuming. So, withoutfurther dribbling, please rub two nearby dogs
together for the one the only JohnCross Matt. I fear I'm becoming my
father because because I have those momentsnow on the computer. Even though I

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work with computers all day, Ihave those moments now where shit just goes
wrong, you know what I mean. I do this thing once a month,
this like meet up group Philadelphia Writers. It's like I don't like there's
like seven or eight like as arotating group of people, but a lot
of them are older, and itis hilarious, like how little they understand
technology and like how and it's funnylike this old guy who hosts that he

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at some point I'm just gonna tellhim, like listen, I work from
home. I've been using this stufffor like ten years now, so like
I'm good with it. But likehe's always like, you know, like
there's always people that don't mute,like this one old guy, Like we
took a break and he didn't mutehis microphone. He just turned his camera
off and we could hear banging andstuff going on in the background. And
it's like, yeah, because youthink he's all at a meeting or whatever

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conversation, Really he's about the kitchen. Yeah, it was like he was
like, we're all taking a breakand we all come back and it's like
you're bang bang bang bang, andit's like what is he doing? Is
he? Like? Is he okay? You do wellness check? You know?
And then like you turn the cameraon and he was fine, you
know, are you okay? Whatis he doing? Have you fooled down?

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Send somebody over to you. Here'syour cat still alive. We sat
We heard a squeal there and aloud crash. Uh. My mic is
coming through like super loud, andit's just like the last two podcasts are

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just so distorted and I'm trying.I'm actually at the input input volume of
the main computer. That's that hasbeen happening to me. Not with Skype,
but there's an other thing called clearfeed that I use for people that
they can't use Skype, and itpicks up my mic. I'm trying to
like it's like like I have afan overhead that I can't hear, but
it picked it. Like the lastepisode that I did with with Scott Murphy

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that the sick all one, hecouldn't get skyped to work, so we
did clear feed last minute and itsounded good when I did a test call
with him, so it's like,okay, we're all set. Then when
I, you know, got therecording, I realized, well, his
audio is way lower than my.So it's like, I'm gonna turn his
audio up. Turned his audio up. I heard everything that was going on.
You know, it was essentially everytime I wasn't talking, it was
just picking up the fan and everything. So it's like, oh, this
is this is not This is notso much that it's picking up a lot.

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It's that the input volume is soloud that I'm distorted. So it's
not that it's picking up a lotof background noise. It's I think I'm
sounding okay right now, I'm notpicking right now, I'm still in the
green, So I think I'm good. But uh yeah, yeah the Pamgrea
episode, man, I mean,I'm going to put it out this week,
but it's not good. Well mysound quality is not good. Yeah,

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it's I think it's a like Ihave like this cheap microphone and it
picks it. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's weird, Like it's
like if I'm doing a show,my sound I mean, though, I
have noticed when I when we dothe blue Shi My mic seems a little
bit loud for those, so butuh yeah, trying to tweak it a
little bit. I think I don'ttrust it. I'm so used to having
a really cheap mic, and Imean this is a cheap mic too.

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But and I guess, you know, if my wife constantly tells me that
I naturally project my voice anyway withthese kinds of things, so I just
you know, yeah, I getI naturally speak loudly. I think again,
it's I think it's a getting oldthing. You know, when you
when you when you're younger, youwant to every conversation is super private and
secret whatever, And as you getolder, I just don't care anymore.

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Everyone has to listen to everything I'msaying. Well, I think as you
get older, because you can't hearpeople as well, you think no one
else can hear things as well,So you're like, are you hearing me
right now? It's like when Igo to my parents' house. Yeah,
parents don't have the TV up soloud, and it's like I'm in the

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living room watching a game or somethingjust to kind of visit with them,
but also watch you know, mypome boss wants to often, you know,
right exactly, and I'll have tovolume up at what I think is
loud for me, like it's kindof making me uncomfortable, and they'll be
literally like can you hear that?Is that louder? You know, and
it's like, yes, this isthat loud and loud. Have you fallen?

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Because I mean they do, likeit's funny, like don't like my
mam will fall asleep in the livingwith the TV on it. I might
come out to the living room andI can just hear like and it's usually
like some creepy like you know,true crime show and it's just like somebody's
like just yelling. And then thewoman was reaped, beaten, merciful,
you know, there's something that's like, God, this is of her husband,

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right exactly. And then she wasthe woman woke up, comes from
head to toe and intestines like trueson like detective with a mustache and his
was woke up with them and entrailson her. We knew we had our
work cutout for, but we foundthis one sliver of hair. And then
there's this really really like not proventechnology that told us it was a black

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man who lived two towns Over.We had our man and we arrested him
exactly exactly. Anyway, Yeah,no, So I feel like I'm becoming
my father, And you know what, fine, my father's a fine gentleman.
I don't mind becoming him. Yes, some outdated views about some things,

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but I'm sure by the time,like because by the time I'm his
age, you know, the world. And I wanted to bring this up
actually because it does play into it. First of all, Matt, thank
you so much. I am giddy. I mean I am giddy to talk
all things wings on the Wings ofLove. I am excited to talk about

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wings Hauser, and I genuine I'mbuzzing to have just so many thoughts and
ideas, and I feel like whatI'm sad about is I feel like the
things that were buzzing through my headwhile the movies were on and stuff I'm
going to forget and then when Ilisten back to this, I'm gonna go,
oh, I didn't mention this.But anyway, I'm buzzing about Wingshauser
because there's not a lot about wingsHauser out there, so he doesn't do

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a lot of interviews. He doesn'tlike to fly, so he doesn't come
to New York off and and blahblah blah blah blah. So in fact,
there's a whole gofund me where they'retrying to get him out to Atlanta
in Georgia. So I'm like,all right, yeah, okay, that's
a two thousand mile journey or whateverthey're trying to raise seven grand. Well,

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look, I understand that gas isslightly more expensive than Americans are used
to, but it's not going tocost him seven grand to drive from Holland
to Atlanta. Charter They're going tocharter a coach for him, is that
what it is? And it's sothey have to hire a coach driver to
drive him, right, Well,I mean maybe, yes, maybe if
you're doing a chauffeur and whatever,and maybe if they have to stay overnight.

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But seven grand, I'm pretty sureyou and I could drive cross country
and stay in many motels and eatthree meals a day and not spend seven
grand, right right, yeah,but maybe wings like to travel expensive.
Wings is like I need a goldin truck with a large wing painted on

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the side. Anyway, Yeah,go ahead, Because what my buddy I
used to do, and we usedto hike in Colorado is we would BiVO
whac. We would find like stateparks and we would park. The first
time and over three hundred and fiftyepisodes that the word BiVO whac has been
used on the after movie Died Back. Congratulations, We'll be sending you a
small ball of pudding. You knowwhere I got the turn from was my

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my buddy and we were hiking oneof the mountains. We met this guy
up there with the woman that heworked with. They were there hiking at
the mountains and he was a triplike he had like this. He was
like extolling the virtues of gas stationsandwiches when you hike. And my buddy
Mark was just like, all right, that's a wise man, that's a
wise man. No, I agreewith Yeah, yeah, yeah. He
was like this thing is never gonnayou know. He's like, you know,
he's pulling up the ham sandwich orwhatever. So we we got to

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know them and we did some otherhikes with them. But that they were
talking about they were talking about becausewe were telling him how he would park
and sleep and it's like, wellthis this y'all have where you're fut whacking
from place to place. You coulddo these and I was like, oh,
we're BiVO whacking. He's right,we are BiVO whacking. And it
was like, okay, I likethis. You know, but if we've
learned anything from Race for the Yankees, Effa and Donald pleasants in that movie,

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always befriend the mountain man. Always, because in that movie, when
they need to escape an outrageously effeminateGeorge papad, the mountain men build them
a tank matt out of just scrapstuff lying around on a mountain. So
you befriend those mountain men and youlisten to his BiVO whacking tales of goodness.

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I wonder if that was the inspirationfor eighteen, because that's what happened
with every episode of the eighteen wasthe heroes would get locked in some warehouse
by the baddies, right, andthey would build a tank they would weld
in, like uh yeah, putsomething together. I always dude, the
A team. You know, whenpeople like that, they've been doing movie

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podcast rather than suddenly they do likea TV show podcast, and they just
watch every episode, like Mike Waitefrom Projection Booth is doing Columbo's watching every
episode of Columbus and I totally understandthat if there's anything that, if there's
any show that I would do apodcast on, it would be The A
Team. It is, hands down, I think, the greatest show to

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have ever existed in the history ofexistence. And I get it. They
were horrible to women on the show. I get it. It was not
a pro woman's show. And Iunderstand that, you know, as a
man in twenty twenty four, asa you know, as a person who
wants to be empathetic or whatever,not a great track record with feminism.
Does The A Team. However,every other part of the show is fucking

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phenomenal. And what I like isthat by bringing up the A Team,
not only was Wings Houser in anepisode of The A Team, which we
should totally talk about at some point. I did two bits of research for
today's episode. I listen to mygood friend Mike White the Projection Booth podcast
interview with him way back from episodefifteen. I think they're on like episode

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seven billion and three. So thefact that this was episode fifteen, it
was it was a while ago,Matt. But they did a really good
interview with Wings as who, asI say, it does not interview very
often. Saddy If you google wingsHouser interview, the Joe Bob Briggs interview
with wings Hauser from like nineteen ninetyone shows up on Facebook because I think

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Darcy the male girl has been scanningold episodes on like uploading clips and things.
I think so wings Hauser is phenomenal. I don't know what kim on
On said. You said that,Kathleen kimm On, and we'll talk about
this later, but made some commentsin an oral PM, and in an
oral PM entertainment oral history is whatI would say jury oral. She didn't

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say anything like bad in the senseof like he was a bad person,
more like he was just so offthe wall that it was a trip working
with him. That well, okay, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry,
yeah yeah, because he has somethingthat's wonderful things to talk about her.
He has nothing but wonderful things tosay. Some woman made a comment
which is it's not wasn't a smartcomment, right, It wasn't wasn't bright.
She said that there's they've never hada good looking woman on sn L

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like as part of the cast,which is is not one? Are you
talking about almost every woman on SNLas hot as fuck? They're not fucking
Kim Kardashian plastic cart. No,you're right, they're regular woman hot,
but they're hot. Tina Feye isa smoke show. I don't care what
anyone says right, right, exactlyright, or Cesley's strong on the New

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Seasons, or even like Victoria Jackson, you know, depending you know.
But but he did special sex withthe Leah Thompson. I mean when I
say casual sex, she did amovie called casual Sex Lea Thompson. I'm
not saying that Lea Thompson and herfor money had casual sex. By the
way, casual sex is when youhave very slow dunchelan sex while smoking in

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Galois, Paris. That's casual sex. It's always in black and white and
you're just very slowly smoking a cowright, disgust. I feel like casual
sex is something that Jim Jarmush wouldtry to put on screen and screw it
up completely. Yeah, that's what'scasual. It's the kind of thing that

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Jim idea, Right, he'd getlike Adam Driver and Tom Hidleston or somebody
to do casual sex and it wouldbe completely just horrible, right, and
you'd be like, what is this, but everybody, Oh, it's jar
mush. You know what, Ihaven't loved Drummers. She's one of my
favorite directors, so you know Ilove but I also like his films.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he would. He would bollocks up
casual sex. So German. Yeah, these German rich people would fund it
and it would get an indie theaterrelease and it would be on Amazon and
it'd be like check out casual sexand it's just like, yeah, it's
like, what are we watching here? I think till the Swinton. Till

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the Swin would also be. Yeah, that was the way you say.
If we If I ever do acommercial that I put out onto the Internet
for other podcasts to play, andI want a clip for this from the
show, it'll it'll be it'll beyou know what, He'll make Adam Driver

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Tom Hindleston do casual sex. Thatis a funny sentence. That is an
incredible sentence. He'll make Adam DriverTom Hindleston do casual sex. That is
that is splendid. Matthew, Ohmy goodness, you have earned your co

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hosting stripes with that one, myfriend. That is absolutely phenomenal. That
will play around happily in my headfor many years to come. He will.
It's just the image job just slitheringover to them in his trained pipe

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white bubba door looking like a hipsterDavid Lynch, and he'll slither over to
him, be like, okay,boys. So I don't know why he
talks like that. Okay boys,I don't know. He's a groove cat.
I don't know what he is anyway, I have. He probably just
told us like that. If ifyou get the Criterion versions of his movies

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commentary yeah yeah, and he justyeah. His his commentary is also like
it's like he doesn't always like he'lldo like reader questions when he's doing the
commentary. It's really fat. It'sread. I think I think somebody like
I think we're not reader. I'msorry, fewer questions whatever, yeah whatever.
Criteria like they send in questions tohim wile he's doing the commentary and

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he's like reading them off while he'slike talking about the movie. And I
think the proper commentary swing cats.Because I don't want to give you away
all my ideas mainly be Batpolula becauseI don't have any ideas. I just
part the camera. Very boring.Face people and hope that something happens scribbled
to do cats jazz cats send mequestions. That's what I'm imagining. I'm

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imagine job some sort of it.It is kind of like that. It
is like like I remember he wasat the limits of Control that was shot
in Valencia, Spain. I thinkI have no idea, Yeah, none
of them. And he was justtalking about Valencia, Spain, just like
how beautiful Valencia Spain is and hehad to go there, and it's like
it's this life that he has.He's you know, any great He's directed

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some really great stuff, but nowhe's kind of got this life where it's
like somebody's gonna fund his movie.The movie's gonna show somewhere. It's not
gonna make any money, but hecan go wherever he wants to shoot that
movie. And when Valencia, Spainright exactly right where's and he's just like,
I'm going to take the whole likeI'm going to take think how big
the cast of the life Aquaticus.He took all of them to Italy for

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like months, like months and months, putting them up in swanky because you
know, Anderson is No. No. Two three star hotel he's going five
time and you know medieval mansion,fucking Gothic Parisian you know hotels or why
would he? Yes, he flewback from Italy to Paris every night.

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Sorry, I forgot he was inItaly. So the enormous medieval chateaus and
whatever, you know what I mean, vineyards he'd live on. I'd like
to rent a vineyards for the forthe summer, please, Like, can
you imagine just the gordo, justto be like, well, you know,
I mean, it's probably cheaper toshoot in Italy. I think.
Is the dollar stronger against the euro? I think so? Yeah. And

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then there's also the studio there whatever, yeah, because I remember, you
guys, whatever it is, Ihave no idea anyway, because I remember
Scor says he filmed uh, theGangs of New York there, And I
remember because I remember this story wherethe Weinsteins were giving him a hard time

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about the budget and Tom Cruise showedup to kind of see like what was
going on, and Scort says hewanted like a full building for church,
and the Winstein's like, no,you just need the front and that's it.
And I guess like he was complainingto Tom Cruise about it, and
Tom Cruse went to the Winsteins said, give Marty his church. You know
it's like, okay, I guessTom. Can you imagine being Tom Cruise?

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Has anyone else got so close toyou know, plastic Jesus as Tom
Cruise? Do you know what Imean? He could walk in anywhere.
And the funny thing is there iseven someone like me who believes Scientology is
a loathsome dangerous cult, right right, that should in no way at all

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be tax exempt, even people likeme who feel that way. And even
though I know that in reality,much like Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise is
fucking nuts that he has so manyscrews loose it's not even possible to count
the holes anymore. It just it'sit's you know that about him. But
I'll tell you what, if hewalked into a room, I'd be kissing

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his ass from here until Christmas,because you get the feeling that he walks
into a room and it's just it'splastic Jesus. Yes, you know it's
Jesus. If you wanted any shortbeardless anyway, sorry, carry on,
yeah sixty years old, yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

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yeah, Tom Cruise. It's likeI used to love his stuff, like
before, where I kind of beforehe was like doing the whole like you
know Today's show you. I usedto buy all his movies. I used
to got a big kick out ofjust seeing him in anything. But also
one of the things about him ishe worked with pretty much every great director.
Oh I love you, I loveTom Cruise movies. I've got no
problem with Cruise at all. Buthe's you know, battier than not sorry,

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nothing here than squirrel shit, right, And that's the thing. It's
like, it's like one of thosethings when you see him on and it's
funny because because everybody kind of knowsthat about him now and he still nailed
himself to the side of a plane. He nailed You're like, dude,
you have children, you want tostrap yourself to the side of a plane.

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He's like, yes, and takeme up there eight times while I'm
strapped to the side of this plane. Please. Yeah. I mean he's
he's I mean, he's mentally unstable. No one I don't get like,
no one is volunteering that ship excepthim. Even stunt men were being like,
please just strap a dummy to theplane, does it? I really

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have to do this? And Cruiseis like, fuck you, I'll do
it. What what Tom Cruise madness? But he did it. Yeah,
you gotta love it. You gottalove it. You wonder if that's what
mel Gibson has to do to getback into mainstream movies. No, he'll
never get backs. When you seemel Gibson interviewed like, it's freaky,

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now, do you know what Imean? You see a guy, it's
so bizarre. You see a guyhe's so twitchy, and he's so like,
you know, crazy eyed, andhe laughs at every other word as
if to go, I'm joking.Please don't hate me. I'm joking,
Please don't hate me. But youcould also see what's bizarre is that at

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the same time that he's watching everysingle word he says and laughing next to
anything that could put remotely be misconstruedas anything other than a joke, right,
yeah, and then he goes backto like he does this all the
time. Watch recent interviews with him. It's psychotic. So why you got
the little voice going round and aroundbeing like, you know, please don't

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hate me, Please don't hate me. I didn't mean that that was a
joke. Please don't hate me,right, You've also behind the eyes,
the mad eyes that are twitching allover the place. Behind the eyes,
he's like, I'm a little devil. I want to say tits. I'm
a little devil. I want tosay fuck like you can just do you
know what I'm saying? Like behindhis eyes, he's like, I want
to just say fucking Hyle Hitler andfucking whatever it is. You know,

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he's just wanting to be like youknow, the designert State or whatever.
Like he just you can see it'slike a bill O'Reilly or fucking Alex Jones.
You can see like the hate bubblingunder the skin, you know what
I mean. It's just yeah,it's hilarious. Well, and then the

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thing is like like tim growing up, So we did a m I just
wanted to. I just had anidea of like a gollumn like Mel Gibson,
and on what happened, being like, I'm really really sorry, I
never meant to call her sugar tits, and then him go, but she
did have sugar tents. I sawthem, and she had sugar tits.
And then it goes back there beinglike no, but I didn't mean that.

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You can't. You've got to ignorethe galla Like I'm no bit seriously,
I didn't mean it, but shedid tell them she did. And
you know what I mean, likeyou could just see the kind of that's
what when I look at Mel Gibsonbig interview, That's that's what I say.
Sorry to carry on with your nowell, because you know, we
were watching this movie that had likethe guy who played Johnny Drama. I
mean, it's like it's all reallyreally bad stuff and or mean the movie

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is like like you know, justlow budget or whatever. And here's Mel
Gibson in this movie and he islike every bit what you think of Mel
Gibson in from the nineties, right. His charisma is just oozing out of
this like horrible fire chief character he'splaying. I mean, he's just the
number one you know, and staysa reminder that like, oh yeah,
this guy ruled the nineties for areason, like and and like she's just

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like levels above everybody else in thismovie. But at the same time,
he's going up to win on arider and say calling you because she's Jews,
calling her an oven dodger, andit's like, okay, yeah,
you can't bet you can't beat amovie for Disney? Right, yes,
yes, did you hear that thatshe said? That's when he called her
I didn't know you were Yeah,it was something like either like he called

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her that directories that I didn't knowyou were and it was like it was
like the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, I mean just and I didn't know
that you were right. And it'slike if he did it, because because
he should be like you think oflike Guardians of the Galaxy movies things like
that, he should be the villainsin some of those movies. He should
be in those movies. Like,but it's like if Disney made one of
those movies, Oven Dodger would betrending on Twitter for like a day,

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for weeks until I finally cut himfrom the cast, right, I meane
like oh yeah, I mean Imean, who do you believe? Right?
You gotta believe when on a riderthat happened? Right, Like why
would she make that up? Likethat's just the most ridiculous thing. But
it's like that's the kind of stuffthat he would say to people. And
then Tucker Casson will be like TuckerCastle will be like we looked into her

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parents, and it's true her parentswere particularly good at dodging ovens. We're
going to bring in a guy who'sa Nazi sympathizer on my right and on
my left a slightly less Nazi sympathizerwho despises the politics of the Nazi sympathizer

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despite being basically the same human being. And we're all going to shout very
loudly, and then it's going tobe a commercial that will make your a
commercial for a pill that will makeyour cock hard for four hours right here,
right, make you lose weight,but also potentially have your golf leighter

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get removed. It makes you loseweight, it keeps you dig hard,
and potentially half your organs will collapsein the first five minutes. Anyway,
I want to be talking about Mergusanymore. I want to be talking about
the other insanely curly head wild manof be tear Action and Slees Noir,

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the genius in blue jeans, thewild eyed, slack jawed, six foot
two beast of a human being.He is living right. He is living
right. The truth of the matteris he is actually Gerald Dwight living right.

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Houser, better known to the worldas wings and welcome to tonight's episode
on the wings of Love and everythingyou wanted to know about wings or wings
things, or whatever you want tocall it, Matthew. As I said
earlier, I am giddy to talkabout monsignor Wingshuser. Here's a delight in

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absolutely everything. Two days ago,I had the fortune and pleasure to fall
down a long wings rabbit hole,and I tell you what, Matt,
I never want to crawl out.It's a delightfully bonker's neon drenched, slightly
misogynistic, but only in a playfulnature, you know, seedy underbelly of

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Los Angeles, giant hasslehoff head,mad guy kind of world. And I
want to be a part of it, Matt. I want to be a
part of it. He is thethe West Coast answer to de Niro's taxi
driver in the in the six foottwo, skulking wingshouser, prowling the late

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night streets of downtown Hollywood and keepingthem safe, Matt and throwing motherfuckers out
of windows. Matt, Matt,Matt, Matt, Matt wings House was
a delight. Tell me what youthink about him, Tell me how you
first came about to know about him. I need tell me all the things.
I'm excited. I'm on the edgeof my seat. So I mean

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I would have first known about Wingseither through Roseanne. You know, he
used the Star so you know,on Roseanne, daniel Harris played the neighbor
and he played her dad. SoDanielle would have her interactions with whop I'm
knocking over my money by things that, she'd have her interactions with Darlene,
the second daughter, Sarah Gilbert.They'd have their interactions they didn't get along

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or whatever would happen there. Butthen Wings Houser would show up and he
and Dan you know, John Goodmanwould interacted. It was always great.
John Goodman could have played brothers right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know I never thought of that.That would have actually been a good way,
good way to use him. Butyeah, he you know, he

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would just show up at like atone point he had this big camper.
They did a trip to l aas a whole you know, winn a
big old Wings win, a bigold Wings win, a big old win,
a big old Wings win, abig Oldies win, a big old

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Wings house in a win of bagohis web browns tells him who to follow
and wearing trowls, he sees noshadow in wings House travels across America today,

(30:52):
travels across America today. Wings HouseHouse. He doesn't want to fly
Wing's House. No, he's notthat kind of guy. He's a rebel
around and that he just wanted toclarify. And Wing's House is traveling across

(31:19):
America today. Wing's House travels acrossAmerica today. Wing's House is traveling America

(31:48):
today. So I knew him fromthat. And then Beverly Hills Nino two
one, Oh, he played thisguy who was like, I don't he's
like a corn or something. ButLuke Perry's character gets conned out of all
of his money by his by thehis his I guess half sister's parents they
conn you know, the money.I'm not going to do the math there.

(32:12):
Half parents, Yeah, I thinkit was something like that. But
but at one of his parents wouldbe one of his parents, right exactly.
So it's like his dad, hisdad had a daughter with somebody with
somebody else, with another woman,I believe, and yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, and so that that woman
married another guy after that. Butyeah, soqueak his money, right,

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right. So, so my understandingwas was that they somehow these parents ripped
off. They think they emptied uphis bank account and just took all his
money. So to retrieve his money, he hires Wings, who's like this
specialist that do it, you know, being like a Conners or something like
that, essentially going to conn themback. And what ends up happening is
is the woman that he works withcouldn't show up, so they had to
get tipping the Ambartis and you knowon the who was on the other shows

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to help him. But Wings werejust so beautifully Wings the entire time,
I want to say he had acowboy hat like I want to say,
I mean, he was just itwas it was like one hundred percent.
He's like playing this part where he'sshe's supposed to play his wife when they're
conning this couple and it's like theysee them at like a resort, and
you know it's like and I mean, he's just playing this part so beautifully.
So so I remember him from thesethings. And then my friends and

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I got one of those ten moviepacks, remember you know those ten movie
DVD things, and I think itwas yeah, I think it was Mill
Creek. It had Mind Body andSoul on it, and my friends and
I all watched Mind Body and Souland we were like, this wings Houser,
it is like the greatest thing ever. And he just went out and
started buying everything that was. Youknow, that was the start of the

(33:44):
rabbit hole in our case. Wasthat, you know, it was just
like anything that's so the best partof it was on My friend had a
roommate who wasn't kind of into thekind of stuff that we were into,
like movies of a Dad, andI was up visiting them in college.
And while the roommate was out,my buddy went on his computer and put
all these wings Houser pastures for hisscreensaver. So then they all left to
go with something to eat. Istayed behind and met the roommate. We

(34:05):
were chatting abou wrestling because we wereboth wrestling fans. He was like,
oh, let me go look upsomething on the computer. He's like,
what the hell is this, Andhere's wings like all these wings Pezzart done.
I was like, best ever.But uh yeah, that was that
was it. I mean, youknow, at that point, you know,
we were we were hooked. Wewere, we were Wings fans,
and that's He's a big part ofwhere my my site started. He's a
big part of reason why the directvideo kind of source started. It's like,

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you know, Dolph was a bigpart of it. But Wings.
You know, he was an inauguralHall of Famer on the site. Yeahs
as he should be because he isfantastic and and and he is definitely his
own beast. There is there areno other wings Houses knocking about the place.
Uh you know, obviously his sonis on Yellowstone. Cole Houser is
on Yellowstone, So in a sense, there is another wings Houses knocking about

(34:52):
the place. But as much asI love cole Houser, Cole Hauser is
very much his own thing. Heis not his father's clone by any means,
and his father remains a unique presencein films because it's funny. He's
he's not quite handsome enough to bethe leading man and not quite ugly enough

(35:14):
to be the villain. So he'sand I don't mean that. I don't
mean that in a bad way oneither side. I know that sounds bad,
but I know what I mean right, Because if you air brush Wings,
Hauser you get David Hausehoff and peopleare like, oh, okay,
Hasselhoff, right, and that thatwe understand. But Haushoff looks like the
botoxed, airbrushed version of wings Hauser, you know what I mean. That's

(35:34):
that's he's like the Kendall version ofWingshauser, who's the real man version of
a real man. He's a delightman. I first came across the splendid
Wingshuser. Let me think, well, there's there's one definite route. Well,
there's there's several routes. I sawVice Squad on the big screen very
early on when I was living inNew York and was absolutely bowled away by

(36:00):
him, and that obviously it's sortof one of the ones that everyone comes
across. It's the one he's mostknown for, I suppose, even though
there are obviously others of us whoare in big into his PM Entertainment stuff
or even his Republic Picture stuff.There was definitely that route. There was
my director friend Brian trench On Smith, watching a Siege of Fire based Gloria

(36:22):
for researching. Brian trench On Smith, and I mean, just wings is
just someone he just sticks with you. So you know, as I had
seen quite a lot of the TVshows from the eighties and nineties that he
guest starred on as well. Ifeel like he was just sort of an
ever presence present thing, like Ialways knew about him. Then there's the

(36:44):
PM entertainment thing. Once I sortof latch onto collecting all the PM entertainment.
Obviously, there's like three key Wingstitles you pick up right there,
and then just lots of avenues thatI've got into for Wings, I think,
but definitely Times Square on the bigscreen. And my friend Brian trench
On Smith's movie by Exploria, Yeah, those are I mean, Siege of

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Firebras Gloria is just a you know, and I think I don't know if
he served in Vietnam as a soldieror if he was like I can't remember
he was a reporter. I can'tremember exactly what his experience was in Vietnam,
but I think he pulled on alot of that. I know this
was Kevilyn Kid. She was like, he's a Vietnam Vet. He was
just like kind of off the wallwhen she was doing you know, the
PM stuff with him. You know, I think Brian Trenchard Smith is one

(37:27):
who let him be Wings. Imean, obviously in Vice Squad he's he's
also very much himself as well.But you know, I don't know a
movie from maybe some of the Hollywoodstuff he's done, I don't know a
movie that can just make him notbe Wings right, exactly, yeah,
exactly. What's the thing, right, You're signing up for Wings when you

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you know? Yeah, but Ithink like Brian Trenchard Smith, it said
like he just gave him a fewthings and just said just go with it,
and we just took everything he could. You know, Wing is a
genuinely compelling actor, like a genuinelycharismatic, compelling, interesting actor. I
mean, when I found out,for example, that both him and Michael

(38:13):
Moriarty and Nick Nolty are all ina movie together, I'm like, I
have to there's no way that isn'tthe weirdest, fucking, wildest, maddest
movie ever. Michael Moriarty is aninsane man, and I love him.
I love him, but he's madas all beans. And then you've got

(38:36):
the charismatic, you know, madeyed Wingshauser, and then you've got Nalty,
you know, on his fifteenth cigaretteand alcoholic beverage of the day at
ten am in the morning. Youknow, the three of them together,
it's gonna be a joy. SoI have that in the mail waiting for
me. Dude, I'm collecting wingsHouser movies like you would not believe,

(38:59):
like my life to it. Likeany minute now I will cease to be
so I have to somehow consume allHouser before that happens. And I'll tell
you what, Matt. I've saidthis on my video, the last thing
I put up on aftermovie Dina dotCom. My video is all about my
VHS collection. But I am someone, as people who have listened to this

(39:19):
podcast since the very very beginning,no, is someone who falls down rabbit
holes. I've done it with DonaldPleasants. I've done it with PM Entertainment,
I did it with sort of eightiesnineties action in general. When I
started doing the Doctor Action the kickAss Kid podcast, I mean I went
deep dives on all those guys,you know, Gary Daniels and Jeff Speakman
and blah blah blah blah blah.And so when I went full Unpleasants,

(39:42):
I was just like, I gotto own everything Pleasance was in, which
is an insane thing to say,because he was in like a bazillion and
three things, right, it wouldbe like saying I want to own everything
that Christopher Lee has ever been in. I mean, honestly, first of
all, two thirds of it wouldbe shit drag. But and I love
Christopher Lee, but he did somewho you do one Jess Franco movie and

(40:06):
you go, that's it. ChristopherLee did like eight Jess Franco movies.
What the fuck? Chris like youneeded to pay the mornings? Come on,
just played Dracula another eight times.Don't be in Jess Franco movies anyway.
But Donald Pleasant, I think,yeah, oh no, sorry,
just to Donald pleasants. Any kindof rabbit hole you fall down, it

(40:27):
always pays back, dividends. Italways, always always delivers gems upon gems
that you never ever would have seenotherwise. Wins Houser, no exception,
Matt back to you. Yeah,yeah, no, No. I just
got to quickly say about Mike Connors, who played Mannix. He did one
Jess Franco movie that was enough forhim. So listen, I mean,
Jess Franco should be a filmmaker thateveryone's like, it's weird how every film

(40:52):
he has to start completely from scratchagain. It's like, yes, because
no one should do more than oneJess Franco movie except Jess Franco, and
even he shouldn't have been allowed todo. And Blue Underground keep sending them
to me, Matt. They keepsending them to me. Blue Underground is
just like send John all the fourk Jess Franco movies. I didn't watch

(41:15):
this when you said it to meon DVD. Why would I want anyway?
Yeah, they want you to reviewthem. Is that what they want?
Yes, disgust, I just seeJeff Franco and like a bad painting
of naked people, I'm like,no, I throw it behind me,
Matt, I throw it behind me. I was in it for the man

(41:36):
he had Cup two and three thatthey released on Blue Underground, and then
the Uncle sound that they were Ohand that, oh my god, that
amazing seaside. It's very the foglike, it's like zombies in the mist.
Oh. I can't remember what it'scalled, but it's fucking awesome.
It should have just been called Zombiesin the myst Matt, And then that
would have made sense in this sectionof The Deliriously Mad After movie down to

(42:01):
podcast. I'm referring to the movieDead and Buried, which is fantastic Dead
and Buried. If you haven't seenit, watch it. But yeah,
so it was one of some ofyour big rabbit holes that you've you've kind
of fallen down in your I mean, Wings was definitely you know, Wings
was one, but that wasn't evenlike a solo. It was like a
rabbit hole, like I said,once mind, body, and soul came

(42:22):
out where we not kind of cameout like what, but once we saw
it, it was like one ofthose things where it was like every time
we'd go to the video you know, like a used video you know,
DVD store, is there any Wings, go on Amazon and order vhs' and
stuff like so street Asign, likeyou know we were talking about that was
one, you know, some ofthese pms, you know, stuff like
that, We pick it up andjust like we'd all watch it together.

(42:43):
Dolf's another one that we did thatIt was just like, you know,
we saw a bridge of dragons andit was one of those things where we
were all like, oh, we'veall liked Dolph Lundren separately and we never
discussed that. We all like Dolfwondering. But then we went to I
don't remember Suncoast video store. Youcould buy use DVDs there. I don't
think i've was around, you know, I moved here in O seven,

(43:05):
so I don't know that Suncoast wasstill so sun Coast. Yeah, yeah,
Suncoast might have been done by Oseven. I didn't even think of
that was still going in Vegas whereI lived. Hollywood Video was still going.
Okay, Matt, and get this, I when I first moved to
Vegas. I may have even toldthis before. When I first moved to
Vegas, I went to get ajob at a Hollywood video because I'm like,

(43:29):
how can I not get this job? I'm twenty seven, I know
everything about everything. I can rattleoff films and you know, and I
have knowledge about films, and Iwas my brain was a lot quicker than
and everything was great. And Isit down and you know, he asked
me like the whole you know,what's your favorite movie? And blah blah

(43:50):
blah blah blah, and you know, I get all excited about you know,
you know, even there too,and I love taxi driver in the
park ups now, And I thought, blah blah, and I was like,
hey, and so because I wasI wasn't even acting like it was
an interview, because he was likefucking younger than me, Like this was
just a fucking you know, hairykid. Like two. I just sat
there looking at a clipboard of questions. I'm like, just talk to me

(44:10):
about movies, dude with simpatico,but cam padres is what I was thinking.
I was like, Oh, he'sgonna be so wow by the Evil
Dead two of the apartups that whatever. Not a flicker, dude, not
a flicker. It was almost likehe was It was almost like I said,
you know, I watched I don'tknow, Eastern European black and white
nineteen thirty five silent movies in whichpeasants get acorns rammed up their ass.

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Like like it was like I'd saidgobbledygook. I said, three of the
most popular movies of all time,Pockups Now a Taxi Driver and Evil Dead
two. And he looked at melike I had just gone, you know,
bimity bang BANGBITI bang flamby Spliting Itpart eight? Have you seen Flammberley
Spill It Part eight? It's myfavorite movie. He looked at me like
that, and when I went,oh, dude, you know, trying

(44:57):
to be pally with him, andI went, oh, you know what,
what's your favorite movie? And withouteven cracking a smile, he looked
at me and he just went Rounders. And there was a pause. There
was a pause where I was likeprocessing it, and then I said,
in probably two of an incredulous way, the Matt Damon movie. And that's

(45:19):
what lost me the job, thefact that instead if I'd gone, oh,
the Matt Damon movie, he wouldhave been like, yeah, the
Matt Damon movie. I fucking loveRounders. You know the movie where they
play cards and it's like nobody remembersit really and it's sort of mid nineties
and okay, you know John Macovichwas in it. Oh how wacky,
but like Rounders. But instead Isaid, instead, I went the Matt

(45:45):
Damon movie. Like in credit,like just I just listed three of the
best, most creative, most inward, most artistic, whatever films that most
film critics would probably at some levelagree with me on, maybe wouldn't be
their favorites because they'd be like MulhollandDrive, because you know, I want
to pick up checks. But Iwant to seem artistic and energy, so

(46:07):
I just say mulholland drive. Whenpeople ask me what my favorite movie is,
Oh, really, fuck off.It's like someone anyone in America who
says one of their favorite movies isa European movie. Listen. He might
not be lying, but you areallowed legally to punch him in the face
because that's not true. When peopleare like, oh, I get so
much out of fucking Lorenmugo or somefucking or you know whatever, some European

(46:30):
movie, I'm like, yeah,I'm sure he did. I'm sure he
did, but it's not as goodas Apocalypse Now. It's just start because
you know what, I want towatch Apocalypse Now. I don't want to
watch, you know, costume dramasset in France where everyone gets the plague.
I don't want to watch those fees, thank you. I want to
watch Robert Duval screaming at Napalm likea lunatic while literally the Philippines is on

(46:54):
fire around him. That's what Iwant to watch because guess what, it's
entertaining and there's no fucking French peoplein it. So anyway, Matt,
if you meet anyone who says that, so I once lost a job at
Hollywood Video because I incredulously could notbelieve that his favorite movie was fucking Rounders.
Because there's this you can like Rounders. I'm not against Rounders. Rounders

(47:16):
is a fine movie for someone tobe like, hey man, you've seen
Rounders. Sure I like Rounders.Like if that's the conversation, you're like,
I'm fine with that. I'm notjudging anyone. But your favorite movie
of all time out of all movies, and you're running a Hollywood video and
your favorite movie. You're running aHollywood video, you're renting movies. You

(47:36):
have a sacred right to tell thepublic what they should be watching in your
favorite movie of all time is roundUs. No, I'm not having it,
Matt. Yeah. Well, becauseprobably right in Veguas, he was
probably dreamed of being a poker player, and he was like, oh,
I'm gonna like Rounders. Oh ohman, do you know what I've been
telling that story fifteen years. I'dnever thought of that. He grew up

(48:00):
in Vegas fucking CODs and then theymake a movie and he's like made with
people playing CODs. Well, thereason why he knows I had a friend
who played poker for a living,him and his and his now wife.
They don't play anymore, but theyused to play poker for a living.
And his whole deal with playing pokerfor a living was it wasn't about oh,
I know what to do with thishand, and you know his the

(48:21):
way he made money playing poker washe would sit at the table and he
would wait for the person who hadno clue how to play poker to sit
at the table and take as muchof his money as possible, but also
use that player to take other people'smoney, right because with the betting patterns
and stuff like that. That washis technique. But yeah, I mean
that that was that. Yeah,it was like it was amazing because he

(48:43):
would sit there, they would grindout the table, Like he would be
at the tables for hours. You'dhave to be there for hours. But
he'd be like, Oh, here'sa lawyer who just wants to get rid
of his money. This is great. I'm gonna have this guy get ready,
you know. And he would hewould tell me stories about how like
the other people at the table werelike trying to play like this perfect you
know style or whatever, and andthey'd be like he believe I'm folding these
cars. I can't believe I'm youknow, they'd they some of them show
him. Because what he would dois like he would notice, like one

(49:05):
guy, like if you bet acertain amount, that this Warrior guy for
example, would always call the betto see what even if he had shit
cards, he would just call it. And so my buddy would just like
keep raising to have him call Rand other they would push everybody else out
of it. Was like stuff likethat that he could he could like pick
out those things like that and makethe money. So like the Hollywood video
guy, for example, is probablysomeone who gave my my buddy. The

(49:27):
Hollywood video guy may have paid formy buddy to get camped a hotel room
that when I went out and visitedhim and his girlfriend and we got that
hotel room for free. The Hollywoodvideo guy may have played a part and
to go to Vegas. So listen, this guy, I'm not kidding.
This guy has been my nemesis inmy head. He there was no way,
there is no way the Hollywood videoguy is sat somewhere now sixteen years

(49:53):
later going So anyway, there wasthis guy, okay, and I couldn't
understand why he was English. Hetalked all funny. I didn't understand it.
It confused me from the right.And then he goes. Then he
says something about his favorite movie beingBengey Bong Mimi bab and I was like,
I don't know what that is.God, I'm bored. Why is

(50:15):
this guy English? And then hegoes and then he says, you should
have heard how he talked about themovie round Us, my favorite film of
all time. I guarantee that Hollywoodvideo guy is not telling that story somewhere
on a podcast unless he is,and that's fucking genius. I like to

(50:37):
think that maybe he's out there ona podcast of his own, a podcast
called bad Interviews. I once hadto give it he's probably got some like
shite like poker playing podcast, becausehe probably like he probably got into the
whole poker thing and he's he's probablysitting there in this podcast talking about all
the bad hand, like the badbeat. You know, Oh, I

(50:58):
had two queens and this other guywas lifting into the flop with Suddenly he
turned it over. He got thecar, I'm got money, and it's
like you're always you know, it'slike like, that's who that guy is.
You probably you probably would have hadto sit there and listen to all
of his bad hands at the casino. If you've got that job you were
thinking, You're going into this thinkinglike I'm gonna be working in Hollywood video

(51:19):
to talk movies. If that guyhad hired you, you would have been
standing behind the desk and he's like, so you're not gonna believe this.
So like this dude comes at thetable, he's got pocket kings and he's
and you've just been like, ohmy god, I don't care about you
suck at poker. Have you everconsidered that you're bad at poker and that's
why you're getting bad hands? Youknow, like like that's you. You
have lost it at something. Ilove that this is because I'm not even

(51:42):
kidding the fact that I the factthat I never got to work a video
store in America haunts me to thisday. Matt, this guy was my
nemesis and the movie round us,Matt, it has become likewise my my
nemesis. But he doesn't know Iexist. He has no knowledge as far
as he's concerned. I got runover by a bus the moment I left

(52:05):
the interview. Yet maybe somewhere he'shaving a very own podcast where he's talking
about you'll never guess what this guyreally liked the bug lips now, And
I'm like, really, that oldpiece of shit? Has he seen?
Rounders? Rounders is fantastic. Let'ssee how he reacts to round us.
If he says watch around, I'mjust gonna say round us and we'll see
how he reacts. And he gotincredulous rough fuck him. I'm not hiring

(52:29):
him. But he's telling that storysomewhere on the podcast. But and that's
that's wonderful. He remains my nemesisMatt to my dying day, although he
technically work in a video store nowbecause I have no day job, right
and I own a video store.It's own video store. You have a
Yeah, I've done it. You'redoing Wait a minute, have I If
this was the movie of my life, me opening the video store at the

(52:52):
end, right, it would flashback like right at the end of the
movie he succeeded his dream. Itwould flash back right to the Hollywood Video
interview and me walking out the doorbeing like I swear one day, you
know, that's the cycle of mylife. Dude, that's the movie's Oh
that is beautiful. Anyways, whatyou were going to say? Yeah,

(53:15):
no, no, that's that's it. Yeah, I think that's it.
Yeah, it's funny. I kindof dated a girl who worked at the
Blockbuster in like the late two thousands, so it was like towards the time
when Blockbuster was almost done. Andthe way she described it is because she
was working at the same place Iwas working at, and then she was
working at nights at the end,she ended up quitting not long, you
know, but the way she describedit was essentially just you sit behind the

(53:37):
counter and you watch whatever movie youwant, and you you you deal with
you know, you rent or whateveryou know get however you people come in
and they rent, and it's likethis whole process of like having to get
people a hard time about late feesand like you know, all that kind
of stuff, and so yeah,it would have been yeah, it's well,
you don't have any choice, rightthe corporation, you know, charges

(53:58):
late fees. It's like, yeah, it's yeah, video a late face.
I think by the time I came, I think Hollywood Video had abandoned
late face. I think they werelike, please take a stock where I
was taken of that stock before Ileft. Oh fuck, that would have
been you could spread someone. Inever have a just ebaye that ship for

(54:22):
any sorry, just sold them all. Yeah. That sun Coast place was
like a store in the mall thatsold movies, Like I bought my VHS
copy of Pulp Fiction there, andthen it was it sold like memorabilia as
well, so that you could getlike you know, if you you know,
stuff that you couldn't get it,like Toys of Us, like the
Friday the thirteenth, you know,yeah, what's that? There is a
store like that on the East coast. F Ye is the place f y

(54:45):
e y y. Yeah. SoSuncoast was like a forerunner because where at
least where I lived, a placecalled Record Town became f Ye and it
kind of branched out to selling allkinds of stuff. But Suncoast was like
it was like movie relates. Youget all your movie posters there, you
get like movie memorabilia stuff. Andthen they started selling used DVDs and that's
when we found Bridger Dragons, youknow, Dolph Lunger fuck a dollar and

(55:07):
it was kind of stuff like that. It was like it was they were
trying to pivot, you know,also for dying at that time. That
place it didn't last much longer.It was one of those things where like
I was like, oh, Ican't wait to go back and uh and
get more DVDs there, and thenit was closed. It was done.
You know, it's like one ofthese They took the bus up because you
know, I was one of thepeople that lived in Portsman, Newmpshire that
didn't drive, so I would takethe bus that would run like once an
hour to the mall and uh,yeah, I'm getting I'm getting ready to

(55:30):
buy my DVDs and stuff and huhgoing in and it's like, you know,
the gates down and it's like,you know, we're closed, we're
out of business. You missed itgoing out of business tale two weeks ago.
You know that kind of thing.Oh that's always stings, man,
that always stings. Yeah, yeah, so I I mean, I listen,
I my most of my VHS collectionback in the UK, and uh,

(55:52):
my DVD collection back in the UKwas purchased at a at a Blockbuster
in our student town. We hadthe one. If you it's funny how
people talk about Blockbuster over here.If you had seen the blockbuster I had
in my university town. It wasnot like a Blockbuster. I mean the
the the outside walls were the outsidewalls had the five hundred copies of every

(56:14):
movie. But we had racks andracks and racks and racks of weird back
catalog stuff like I got to seeNymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell, the Troma
movie from that Blockbuster. What blockbusterhas that movie? Like? Seriously,
I got to see Trancers two,three, and four. They had the
Trancer series there. I mean thatBlockbuster. Man, that was that.

(56:37):
That like kept me going for along long time. That was a that
was a good place. And thenand then yeah, the Curses of Hollywood
video when I moved to the US. But I got one thing to say,
Matt, because it's I need togive a shout out before we go
on to the wings houser of everything. As as you know, Matt,
I lost my job a few weeksago, and I had posted about it

(56:59):
just it was fine, nobody worryabout it. It's fine. Although if
you want to donate to the podcastand or pay on the Patreon for the
podcast, please do that. Thatwould be very helpful. I'm out of
a job. However, don't feelbad for me, because it's fine,
and I'm happy to be rid ofthem, to be honest, But when
I mentioned that on Facebook, oneof my good friends, Jim Desantas,

(57:20):
who works for the Boiling Bottle Sodacompany, sent me three cases of Boiling
because he's a fucking legend. Now, as you know, i'd sort of
quit soda to some extent, butyou know, every so often I'll have
a soda, and if I doepisode, I try and make it a
cane sugar delightful soda made by theBoiling Company. And so I have three

(57:43):
Kates crates. It's going to lastme probably four years because I don't drink
that much soda anymore. But tonight, Matt, because in honor of Jim
Desanta's sending me three enormous grates,a huge thank you. I'm not allowed
legally to say that Boiler has sponsoredthe show, but I can say that
the host of the show strongly recommendsthat if you're gonna drink soda, make
it Boiling or Moxie. Boiling orMoxie. Because Matt is still wearing his

(58:08):
Maxie cap and this podcast is sortof also sponsored by Maxie. Anyway,
I'm gonna crack open a cream sodaand go ahead. Yeah, oh,
I mean, boiling soda is oneof my favorites. One of the things
that so in Philadelphia they have atax on soda that's like an addition,
so like a four pack of boilerscan run you about eight bucks, So
it's it's it's expensive. But whenI taste the boilings, when I get

(58:30):
like a boil especially, I thinkit's the black cherry mostly like the cream
soda. There's even the root beer. I mean, it's like when I
get one of those, it's likeI'm tasting it's like unctuous. Oh,
ladies and gentlemen, ding ding ding, Matt you have. That's the first
time in the history of this threehundred and sixty episode strong podcast or whatever

(58:51):
we are, that anyone who's usedthe word unctious that is is that what
you said? Anxious? Unctuous?Unctuous? Sorry, it's like unctuous.
It's like almost like a religious It'slike it's like there's like almost like a
catharsist that goes through when you're tasting, like the baptism of your throat.
Yeah, it is a yeah,I should splurge on it more. Well,

(59:16):
the thing is, the problem isbecause of the soda tacks, it
was harder to get boilets here andfeeling because you know places, if you
are going to splurge on a soda, you don't want to splurge all over
an expensive soda because it'd be difficultto clean off exactly if you're gonna go
splurging. Never I have splurged.Sorry, Oh that is a we animated

(59:45):
Kuzy by the way, I lovethat. Talking ahead to our previous episode,
I've got my yetdy back out,so I cleaned, dusted it off,
cleaned it off, and I don'tknow why I wasn't using it because
there was no reason for me tobe drinking warm water when it's you know,
for work or doing anything or anythinglike this, writing or anything.

(01:00:06):
There's no need to do it.When we did, I, did I
explain my my theory about yetis?Yes? Did I explain that, like
we're going to find out that they'remade from like ripping the tongues out of
artist or whatever? Do you knowwhat I mean? Did I say all
that before? Yeah? Okay,good, because that's my theory and I'm

(01:00:27):
thinking to it yeah, there's gotto be a bad backstory somewhere about yetti.
But yeah, I have my yethere as well. That's my water
YETI, and then I have myI have my tea yetty as well.
Oh nice, this is this isthe next step up from this wimpy little
yet look, wimpy little yetti enormousgodzilla YETI. Oh not only that,

(01:00:52):
Look, dude, I've got myside. Look at me. I've got
four beverages going on. Right inmy side is in my yetti coozie.
Oh nice, I didn't really makethe koozies. That's fantastic. Yeah,
I love that. Yeah, yeah, with the koozie I think for this

(01:01:14):
episode is by boiling, not byyetti, and not officially by boiling.
I'm just saying I really love boiling. And everyone who listens to buy boiling
went on, yeah, I Ithere is a reminder I could use a
good boiling. You know, someboy, I tend to go cheap on
you know. I tend to doSeltzer and I tend to just do like
the three fifty eight pack at Targetixie. Because one of the things about Moxie.

(01:01:43):
I'm visiting my family in May andI'm taking a train. I'm not
flying, so I can actually bringMoxie back with me now because I don't.
We're about to get saying so ladiesand gentlemen, Yeah, that is
the dream, bringing them up.Have a case of moxie here, he's
Yeah, when I next podcast,after he's up to his parents' house,
he's going to be sat atop athrone of moxie. Wonderful. I don't

(01:02:06):
know if I could drink moxie thoughdoing a podcast, because like I drink
it, and like the carbonation willprobably cause me to do like the nose
belch right, the sort of likethe ink. Why don't you get the
train up right or the bushop orwhatever, and then tell me where you're
staying and I'll pick you up anddrive you home and we can load my
car up to the roof with moxie. We could just it'll be like smoking

(01:02:30):
in the bandit, you know whatI mean with moxie. Moxie in the
car. Your car. Your caris in perfect shape, right, you
pick me up and suddenly, likeby the time we get here to Philadelphia,
like the doors are off of it, moxy toilet papers for whatever.
Why you know, things have beenstray painted on. It's like and there's

(01:02:51):
like a sheriff, a small townsheriff, like pulling in behind. Suddenly
we have a pet monkey anyway,coming soon to NBC this fall. Because
really that's where we're at, peoplewith the whole society. Oh yeah,
So I was gonna say, whenI logged into Skype tonight, I had
three spam conversations that I had todelete that the people had just sent me.

(01:03:15):
Who first of all, Matt,who other than us even still uses
Skype right. Secondly because by theway, Skype, your ass was handed
to you by zoom a long timeago. The only reason I use it
is because I've always used it andI have a recording device attached to it,
and it's easy, and shut upand stop judging me. And yes,
I'm an old man. So butapart from old men, what pathetic

(01:03:37):
like If you've got scammers and spammersand hackers at the highest level, right,
how fucking pathetic do you have tobe to be spamming Skype? It
would be like spamming my Space orspamming Snapchat. Why would anyone care?

(01:04:00):
No one look old people. Factor. I wonder if it's the old people
factor where it's like, you know, I have no clue that this.
You know, some random woman justsaid hi to me. Well, of
course, this random woman just saidhi to me because I'm a great guy.
I'm you know, I'm sixty sevenyears old, I newly divorced,
or my wife just passed. Ofcourse, this random like young Asian woman

(01:04:20):
or young Eastern European woman. Ofcourse you would message me on Skype out
of the blue. Let me messageyour back and see how things are going.
I don't know what that's not truetotally. Well, I get the
message, I get the they getlike people or its like this this person
wants to translate or something and I'mlike, what translate? Just you're going

(01:04:43):
to spam. It's like, youknow, yeah, I have a few
people, like one of my coworkers because my company used Skype initially and
now we use teams for everything,but we used to use Skype for everything,
and so some of my old coworkers we still communicate, like,
you know, through Skype. Andof course you have the same thing.
Podcasting is you know, it's it'sit is easier on Skype. It's one
of the things, like it's oneof the things that I know people that

(01:05:04):
use Zoom, the things you haveto pay for Zoom. You know,
Skype. You don't have to payfor it to use it for as a
podcasting medium, you know. Iguess, well, I think some people
use Zoom. They don't pay forit. They have their companies let them
use Zoom. They use just comebacks, just milking off the corporate, Matt,

(01:05:25):
I don't care. Please milk thecorporate eat all you like. I
hate that. I loathe the corporateanyway. Someone who did, who respected
the corporate tait but loved his freedom. Actually no, he's descended from a
writer who was blacklisted for being acommunist. Not that he was a communist,
but they expected him, they suspectedhim. He was a communist.

(01:05:49):
His father, wings House's father waspart of the trouble McCarthy hall writers blacklist
Shebang back in the day. Butno, so I can't really I can't
really segue, you know, ideallyinto wings Houser. What I was trying
to say was like, you know, he got he made some movies and

(01:06:13):
made some money making movies, andhe worked for PEM Entertainment. That's what
I was trying to say. ButI was like, can I segue through
the capitalist thing into that? Andno, I can't. But when we
first talked about doing this wings Houserepisode, we were going to focus specifically
on two of his films from thelate eighties early nineties, Right, No,

(01:06:35):
where was it? Yeah, I'mgoing all where? Yeah? I
think they were ladies. I thinkhe was eighty seven, eighty eight,
eighty eight and then eighty nine forStreet of Sylum was a ninety Street Asylum
ninety ninety. Yeah, So wewere initially going to do dead Man Walking

(01:06:58):
and Street Asylum, both wings Houserstarring movies made by Gregory Dark. Right
is that his name? The directorwho had done a lot of pornography,
I believe and still does pornography.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

(01:07:19):
Pornography is an absolutely fine thing tospend your life doing, no problem at
all. He Also what's hilarious isis that he from going from a pornography
to these two movies, and thesereally I mean, yes, he does
a lot of like soft core straightto skinner max kind of movies as well,

(01:07:40):
but these are really the only twomovies that are like not of that
vein that are you know, actionslash, you know, message movies.
Everything else, like if you lookpast nineteen ninety, everything else in his
IMDb is you know, soft corestuff or hardcore stuff. Uh. And

(01:08:02):
then weirdly he transitions into doing musicvideos for Mandy Moore. So if you
ever want these fears, yes,if you ever wondered why, at a
certain point music videos for suspiciously youngsingers started to look like pornography, It's
because you've got Gregory Dark to thankfor that, the director of the two

(01:08:24):
movies we were going to talk abouttonight, but now, because I also
went ahead and watched a bunch ofother Wings Housing movies, I want to
talk about all of them, Matt, I will not be chained. Yeah,
yes, that's perfect. The otherthing Gregory Dirk did is See No
Evil, a horror movie about aguy with a hook. It was the
WWF WWE which oh right, yeah, the Twins did the sequel to Right

(01:08:49):
Right, Yes, exactly, soyes, straight, and that was like
kind of mixed in amongst all thesemusic videos that he was doing. So
yeah, it's a very interesting careerfor him. Yeah. Yeah. He
did the Blue Monday cover of Orgy. The Orgy is Blue Monday cover as
well. I guess oh wow,okay, cool. Yeah, so we

(01:09:13):
were going to talk about those twomovies, and we are going to talk
about those two movies. But Ialso couldn't resist watching two of his directorial
efforts for PM Entertainment, my favoriteproduction company, The Art of Dying and
Die No Live to Die, NoLiving to Die, Living to Die,
Living to Die. And he's obsessedwith death ladies and gentlemen. He's he's

(01:09:36):
a dark hearted man, is wings. I don't know that to be true.
I'm just saying it, but yes, he directed two movies for PM
Entertainment, three movies for PEM Entertainment. Sorry, but we are just going
to be talking about the last twothat he did as well. So that's
that's all the things that we aregoing to be and we might touch on
Mutant Mutant a little bit, butyeah, mainly those are the movie as

(01:10:00):
we're doing. So Matt, let'sstart with the Gregory dark movies and let's
start with Dead Man Walking. Ithink, yeah, yeah, just I
mean, it's you know, I'mtrying to you know, if you're someone
who can't handle a movie where twocharacters are doing chainsaw roulette I guess that's

(01:10:23):
the best way to describe it.That's when it turns you off. Yes,
yeah, if that's it's almost likethis movie is telling you right away,
you know, you're either in oryou're out. Right now, we're
gonna you know, and if ifif you're you're in, you're in.
It's it's one of those kinds ofmovies. Yeah, oh yeah, if
you It sets its table very earlyon, and as it pans through the

(01:10:45):
bar of zero Man or whatever itis, the zero bar, and everyone
is either doing Russian Roulette with gunsor Russian Roulettes with chainsaws, or you
know, stabbing in between the fingersof everyone's hand, and it's It was
then that I was like, I'min, and I'm in for a series
of reasons. I'm also in becausechainsaw Russian Roulette is fucking lunacy but also

(01:11:11):
a genius idea. But I'm infor another reason, Matt, And it
was this clearly in the movie,which does not have a large budget by
any means at all, they hadto explain why these guys who were had
the plague but couldn't transmit it butknew that they were definitely gonna die.

(01:11:31):
Why these guys who literally had atime on the rest of their life,
why they didn't just fucking, youknow, rob a bank and you know,
start traveling the world obviously didn't havethe budget for that. They then
go, well, okay, theseguys have decided that, like money isn't
really worth what it used to be, and like we can't actually do anything
with it anyway, and you know, we'd rather die here than die somewhere

(01:11:55):
else or whatever it is. Theykind of explain it away. But instead
of just going, okay, weexplained it away and then moving on,
what they did was they went,well, okay, if you were trapped
in one place and you knew yourtime was coming up, like, how
would we show visually the keeping thatfeeling of being alive within all these guys

(01:12:17):
and feeling, you know, likeyou were cheating death because life is all
about cheating death. How do weshow that? And so they came up
with this idea of them all sortof playing versions of Russian Roulette. And
I was into the movie right atthat moment because I'm like, ah,
somebody's thought about this. It canbe as low budget as hell, it

(01:12:39):
can be as you know, genericas hell. When it comes to the
plot to some extent. But ifsomeone has thought about it, I give
it one hundred and one times ofdays. Yeah, yeah, well and
not only that, but here's thebeauty of Wingshauser is that And this is
where he's important here. If you'reone of two plays, you're the main

(01:13:02):
character, and you were playing chainsawRoulette, which to give you an idea
of how it worked, you getthe chainsaw up against your neck and the
other guy pulls the cord and ifit starts the chainsaw, well, then
you're done. If it doesn't startthe chainsaw, then the other guy gets
it up against his neck and youget to pull. And this is where
as an actor, whoever the actoris in a movie like this, you've

(01:13:23):
got to sell it right, andwings Hauser sells it. Wait, only
wings Hauser can sell it, Idon't know. I mean Brion James of
course is in this too, andhe could have potentially done Chainsaw Roulette as
well. I don't know how manyactors I can think of. Nicholas Cage
probably could do Chainsaw Roulette. Therearen't many actors who could go into that
scene, read it on the pageand say I'm gonna sell it. I'm

(01:13:45):
gonna make you believe that Chainsaw Rouletteis a real thing. Wings sells it,
and that takes the whole thing,like you were talking about this whole
idea of what zero men would do, and he embodies the zero man right
there, and you're in because they'relike, well, how do we,
you know, cantinue to feel alive? How is it we don't just sit
around, you know, commiserating orkilling each other or whatever. It is,

(01:14:08):
like, how do we, well, we are killing each other,
you know what I mean? Howdo we rather just sitting around being miserable
or rather than sitting around whatever?Like it's a it's a to me anyway,
it was an understandable sort of psychosisand an understandable sort of message that
it was trying to make, andI it immediately endeared me to the movie.

(01:14:29):
The movie then basically becomes an escapemovie where they have to they have
to get a kidnapped daughter of afriend out of the plague zone, which
is sort of in a very Iguess Escape from New York type way,
like, Okay, we've got togo in, We've got to get the
daughter because after twenty four hours he'sgoing to be gone and blah blah blah
blah blah whatever. So basically followsWings, how's a Jeffrey Combes trying to

(01:14:53):
get into the plague zone and thenwhen they get into a plague zone doing
repeated duels with the in insanely gingerhead Brian James, who is also a
delight in this film. Yeah,I mean that's the piece of it is
that Brian James has no qualms aboutbeing the grossest, nastiest, evilest baddie

(01:15:16):
that he can be. And sonow you need it's not even just that
we want Wings to prevail, weneed Wings to prevail. Yeah, he's
got to do it. And soyeah, and I mean the way they
build this world up again, it'sone of those things where it's like if
you don't have people like Wings andBrian James and Jeffrey Colmes in the movie

(01:15:39):
saying I'm going to sell this,I'm going to you know, I'm taking
this. I'm not winking at thecamera. This is a ten years early
post apocalyptic future that is you knowthat is like a desolate you know,
prison in a way that is filledwith plague and and you know, judging

(01:16:01):
by the newscast, which we'll getonto, you know, also the typical
kind of greed and insanity of thehierarchy of the country as well. Yeah
yeah, And I mean they goto this one place where I guess it's
the corporation that that maybe trying tofix the plaguer owns the plague zone and
like and exactly how it works.But the daughter is essentially like the owner

(01:16:24):
of the company who is being kidnappedsomething like that. But her father was
her father is That's the other timeI knew that the movie had got me
when even though we didn't know thefather, the daughter and Jeffrey comes very
long. I mean, we're introducedto them, but we don't get to
see them for very long until BrianJames and his wacky gang show up and

(01:16:47):
Brian James snaps the father's head likein front of the daughter. That was
the other time I knew the moviegot me because I was like, oh
shit, that's harsh, like sothat thing kicked in where I was I
felt empathy for the daughter. Andif a silly, cheap, post apocalyptic

(01:17:08):
Gregory Dark movie can make me feelempathy for one of the characters, isn't
that a fucking success, Like isn'tthat a way? Yeah? Yeah,
And again it creates this sense ofmenace with with with with Brian James's character,
where now like even his fellow cronies, that the daughter who's with him,

(01:17:29):
all this kind of thing, it'slike everybody's afraid to mess with him,
and it's like every scene he's inthere's a sense of menace. It's
kind of like when you know,when you think of that that that Batman
movie that everybody loved, that TheDark Knight Rise is where you know,
Heath led Your won the Oscar.The character that he plays actually isn't really
written any remarkable way, but HeathLedger plays it in this way that's like

(01:17:50):
every time I'm in the room,it's menace, it's danger, you know,
And I think, you know,for this, you know, I
think this one was written to someextent, I think have been a more
three dimensional character than than the waythat Joker characters written, you know,
as supposed to how he Ledger playedit. But Brown James is doing the
same thing where it's like every scenehe's in, you just don't know what

(01:18:11):
bad is going to happen there,and you know, like when he walks
into the room of the guys whoare counting the dead bodies, and he's
like, you know, grabbing candlesbecause they count dead bodies and they sell
candy goods. That's kind of whatthis this little outpost does. And you
know, the moment he walks inthere, you're like, oh, these
poor guys, you know, like, what's gonna happen to these poor guys?
Right? Yeah? The the othergreat thing, I mean, he

(01:18:33):
he's decided, I think, tolook like he looks like a devilish grunge
clown is what he looks like.So he looks like if there was an
early mid to early early to midnineties, uh like Mad Max driving game
on on like the PlayStation or something, and one of the characters is like

(01:18:56):
an insane like twisted Metal Like,one of the characters is like an insane
clown. Brian James is playing likean insane clown in this movie. And
what's what's even more like? Youknow, when he first encounters wings House,
which is really early in the movie, and I'm like, wait,
they're gonna have the showdown now,and this is it. He buries wings

(01:19:16):
Hauser and Jeffrey Combs up to theirnecks in the desert and then rides away.
What's incredible about that is that isthat on one hand, you go,
well, why we've already seen himsnap the guy's neck, Like,
why wouldn't he just kill them both? Right? But as they said,
a lot of the movie and I'mnot trying to be more pretentious here than

(01:19:38):
it needs it, but a lotof the movie is about that, to
use a pretentious word on we like, he sees a worthy opponent in wings
Hauser, right, and he knowsthat he'll get the jump on Wings two
times out of three, but heknows he Wings just needs that one out
of three, right, But he'salso in it for the chase, so

(01:20:00):
he's like, Okay, I'm gonnabury you up to your neck. And
then like the next time they capbecause he captures Waitings like twice. Wings
is not like a badass in thismovie, Like you think he's going to
be right, he captures Wings onthe second time. He hooks Wings up
to a car battery and just manicallysits behind a car, like turning the
car run and off. So heis like he has that joker thing of

(01:20:23):
like when I find a worthy adversary. I'm not ready to kill you yet,
and you should you sort of buyit, like if you put yourself
in your head and you're like,well, what's he gonna do. He's
escaped prison. He'll kill anyone whocomes up against him, so like,
what's really his plan? He's alsodying, like he's also a guy with

(01:20:43):
the plague, right, he's azero guy or whatever, Like he's gonna
die, So what's he gonna do? Oh? And then Wings steps into
view and he's like, finally someoneI can dance with, you know what
I mean? And no, themovie isn't necessarily that poetic, but that's
what I'm gonna from it, Matt, And I'm pumped. I'm pumped to
be getting that from the Moon.Well, and the other thing I got

(01:21:06):
from that of the bearing him upto his neck as opposed to just snapping
his neck there is that there's alsoa sense too of because they're fellow zero
men, that he has this ideaalmost that like, oh, you're a
zero man's you're gonna die anyway atsome point I just snap your neck.
Yeah. It's like if I justsnap your neck, it's just going to

(01:21:27):
end it for you. And that'swhat that's why you don't care, right,
you don't. You're you're even takingthis mission because you don't have anything
to live for. But if Ibury it, no, But it's like
that idea that like, if Ibury you up to your head, you're
going to suffer. This is goingto be the death that that's worthy of
you. And if you get out, you get out. But this is
you know, this is the deaththat's worthy of a zero man, I

(01:21:48):
guess. And then of course JeffreyCombs, he just throws him in there
for the hell of it. Youknow, I'm going to have white streaks
in his head like he was hitby lightning exact because in the post parting
feature, Matt, we will allhave been hit by life right exactly.
Earthquake in fucking Jersey that we feltin Connecticut, So Matt, who knows

(01:22:12):
you may get it start right,we felt that it was I. I
was like walking out the hallway inmy website and she's like, did like
some gas Maine break or something?But I was like, I think it
was an earthquake and she was like, well, let me see on the
internet. And like people in NewYork because they were so fast in New
York to be like on Twitter beingdid I just experience an earthquake? I
don't, it can't be real.It's like go on social media and find

(01:22:32):
out. She was like, well, all these people on New York said
they must have experienced, so Iguess it happened. We'll also don't forget
a lot of people in New Yorkat that time of day are up a
very tall building, like on thetwentieth floor, of the thirtieth floor,
which is where I was when Iexperienced my first earthquake, Matt back in
twenty eleven or whatever it was.Wow, I remember that one. Yeah,
yeah, I was up on thetwenty first floor of a high rise

(01:22:54):
in Brooklyn, and you feel ita lot more like in this one.
I was down here in the basement. I barely felt. I didn't feel
a shake at all. I feltlike a thud when my dog came running
down the stairs, like that's whatI felt. And then I heard Kim
shout and I went upstairs. Nowwe have a basement, we have our

(01:23:15):
main floor, and then just atthis end of the house, not the
whole house, just at the endof the house, we have a second
floor. Up there, right,So she was essentially the second floor of
our house and I was down inthe in the basement, which is basically
like a bunker. And what I'mreally happy about is it worked. The
basement's not meant to shake, becauseyou know, if you have a good

(01:23:36):
foundation, it's the taller part ofthe building that will shake because the foundation
will be housing that. And infact, your buildings are designed to shake
so they don't fall down, right, aren't they designed like that? Sense?
Yeah, that makes plin because whenthe one happened in New England,
because I was in Maine for thatone in twenty and it felt like an

(01:23:57):
unbalanced washing machine, which is kindof what this one felt like. But
you know, here, our apartmentis a second floor apartment because it's over
a business. So even though welike our kitchen's on the first floor,
we the rest of us are onthe second you know, the rest of
the departments on the second floor.And so yeah, and it was I
was like, this is an earthquake. I just told you, I think
this is an earthquake. And thenlike I said, you know, she
figured it. You know, Ididn't think about the effect that. Yeah,

(01:24:17):
I mean, the thing that scaresme about the earthquake, is riding
the subway and just like you know, like being stuck you know, but
again I don't affects, well,no, I don't. Yeah. I
think it's the fear of like,yeah, that's I think that the concern
just being stuck there somehow, likeyou know, just yeah, but you're

(01:24:40):
right, like the lower down youknow, Yeah, you've got that kind
of you know, like you said, you're being in the basement because even
at my at my parents' house,when I yeah, exactly, you were
going to have it. So yeah, but it's the lightning thing, Yeah,
go ahead, Oh the lightning onthe statue Liberty, right, what
I was gonna say, like,yeah, like like lightning is another one
where it seems to be a lotworse here than where, you know,

(01:25:01):
in New England. And I'm justlike I see lightning like hitting things all
the time, and I'm like,I, you know, should I be
going out in this yeah? Ohyeah, No, it's odd weather in
New York. Even on that tinyisland, which is comparatively to the rest
of America, a tiny island,the weather there is unique to anywhere else

(01:25:23):
I've ever lived, you know what, I mean like when it hailed,
it hailed like golf balls. Whenit rained, it rained like sheets.
When it snowed, it was liketwenty eight feet you know, and you're
like what, but it was,Yeah, it was insane. When cranes
used to like when I lived inNew York, like cranes would be snapped,

(01:25:44):
a crane snapped over like eighth Avenueor something. It was just dangling
there, right, That was newsmap for like eight straight hours. People
will watch it. It would belike and now we're cutting back to the
crane which is still dangling above eightAvenue. People are still figuring out what
they're going to do to get thecrane down. And it was like crane
watch twenty whatever it was was.That was the halcyon days, Matt.

(01:26:10):
Those are the days where we couldworry about cranes hanging over eighth Avenue instead
of whatever we worry about now.But I'll tell you what it is odd
watching Dead Man Walking, post apandemic and post a Trump presidency and not
wanting to get too political, butyou know, there is a nice line
in the news broadcasts. So themovie is broken up by news broadcasts.

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When you don't have the money.And this is what I truly, truly
respect about this movie. When youdon't have the money to show the world,
because even a ten year later,slightly DETROITUS kind of version of the
world would still be expensive to show. And then you know, you'd have
people on Capitol Hill about the presidentand blah blah blah blah blah, and

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you'd have to have, you know, to show the world properly, you'd
really have to kind of put alot of time, effort of money into
it. And so what they do, and I fully respect this, they
write a series of news broadcasts thatwhile the We've got to get the girl
out of the plague zone sort ofmen on a mission movie is going on,

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you are also getting a greater senseof the world and what is happening,
whether it's with the drug companies,whether it's with the politicians, or
whether it's with the plague zone.And it's a really great way to do
it, especially good because they usethe guy who did the news broadcast in
RoboCop. And I'm going to forgethis name now, and he's not credited

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on IMDb or on any or evenon the movie, but you might know
who he is. I think itmight be in the trivia. Is it
in the trivia? It's not inthe trivia. No, Okay. I
did find it somewhere, and Ithought I'd written it down, but maybe
I didn't. Yeah, I didfind it. I found it in a

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damn it. I thought I writtenit down because that it was a like
somebody who had done this before inanother film. You usually in low budget
movies when they use the especially thattechnique of trying to fill out the plot
with news broadcasts, it comes offbad, like, it comes off unnatural.
It doesn't it doesn't feel like they'redoing a real news broadcast right.

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It feels like overly rehearsed, likethey don't have the cadence down. What
was great about this was that thesetwo actors that were playing the news anchors,
they were delivering everything in that cleanlike anchor voice and throwing these jokes
in about you know, like thesekind of like joke you know, headlines
like oh you know that they ranout of suicide kids and the thing.

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You know, like they were doingit like in exactly the way as the
guy who was really a news broadcaster, he was also an actor, but
he had been Mario either Machado orMarcado, I don't know, had been
a picture of television, film andradio for over thirty year and has a
news anchor, reporter and a raider, actor, commentator and producers, worked

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with virtually all aspects of broadcasting.But yeah, he was I think he
was like the first Asian American newsanchor on TV as well. But no,
him and I don't know who playedthe female I apologize, but those
two did it so well, andthe jokes were so well written and they

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were so well done. And itwas one of those where they say,
I think and the president who's onhis eighth term, and it just made
me go, it's so weird thatthis movie is set ten years after a
plague started and it's a president beingon his eighth term. Because Matt,
that might happen, like we might. I mean, it wouldn't be ten

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years from a plague, but wejust had a plague two years ago,
right, four four years ago?So ten years would they would be twenty
thirty? All right, so insix years so no, okay, he'd
only be on his third term bythen. But it's pretty close to what
might happen with trum in the pandemic. Uh so, yeah, yeah.
The thing that would get him out, the thing that would cause him to

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not stay eight terms is his age. Right, He wouldn't be able to
make it eight terms based on hisage because he's so old already. Because
but by the time he's you know, by the time he's on his third
term, he would have got ElonMusk to build him a d aging suit
or something, you know what Imean. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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because this movie is going off thepremise that a president would be like a
in their maybe in their fifties whenthey start. And so it's the fact
that we have whoever is going towin this election, Trump or Biden is
going to be the oldest president,like Biden will automatically be the oldest president.
I think Trump will be the oldestpresident by his second or third term
because they're both older, like Trump'sI think Trump's like three years younger than

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Biden. Is that he's older.And so anyway, anyway, yes,
so the satire is really well realizedand it really does help with the plot
because I really liked the fact,and this is a little bit of a

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spoiler for anyone listening, I reallyliked the fact that they basically set up
the thing that was going to savethe people that you knew were infected,
that you kind of wish weren't goingto die now because you'd spent ninety minutes
with them and you liked them nowand you wanted them to win, and

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he wanted them to succeed. Andthen as the movie was going on,
you suddenly hear this talk about acure and Jeffrey Combs is mentioning his pills,
and suddenly you're like, oh,yay, Wingshauser is not going to
die. He's going to continue onto be Wingshauser for another generation. And
it's here where we should stop fora minute and talk about the fact that

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Wingshuser's characters sometimes have the greatest namesof all time. I'm in No Safe
Haven. He was Cleate Harris inDead Man Walking. He is John Luga
in l A Bounty. He's JustCavanagh in Street Asylum, He's Alice Rider.

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I mean, he's just had somegreat, great, great names.
What was it I was watching theother day? I mean even in even
a Roseanne he's Ty Tilden in Roseannes. So it's like, even there,
they give him a call tild what'sthat called the Killer's Edge? What's that
movie? What's his character? It'shilarious. It's like Jack Saxon or something.

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It's like, well, so soon IMDV. It's one listen as
Jack. So oh yes, he'sJack Saxon in Killer's Edge. And so
it's like it's like just Clete Harris, John Luga, Jack Saxon, all
his characters. I made the jokeon my video all of these characters could

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be called wings Hauser and it wouldbe it would matter, do you know
what I mean? His name aloneis equally mad enough that you don't need
a Jack Saxon because he's like wingsHauser. It's a good boy. Because
I mean when you you know,like I think for people that like b
movies, that like these kind oflow budget direct you know, when you

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say wings Hauser, it's it's funnybecause it's a different reaction than like say,
oh Dolph Lundren or Donald Dragon Wilsoners. You know, it's or even
Bruce Gamble or a Jeffrey Comes.It's ye exactly, yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's wings is a differentone. But it's there's people even if
they get a kick out of him, or if they watch him in kind

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of in an ironic way, likethere's always a sense of like, oh,
well, Wings is in this,I want to you know, like
like and it's like the name you'reyou're right, like, you know,
he even when he's playing his characterhas a different name almost never remaber.
I almost ever think of the nameof the character when I'm watching it.
I'm just like, there's Wings,you know it, Wings doing Wings stuff.

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You know. Well, Also,because especially in the couple of Pem
Entertainment movies we'll talk about Living toDie and the Art of Dying, those
two movies, because he directs them, because he basically writes them, and
because he's basically improving his entire part. You do, after watching those two

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movies back to back, as Idid on Friday, start to just believe,
Oh, this is what Wings did. Wings walked around the sea the
underpellty of Los Angeles watching interpretive danceleon drenched interpretive duds at the back of
a Billy bombs eater. Wings justdid that. And then he sat down

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at a table and be bumped andscattered his way through some nineteen forties patoire,
and then he went around his day. I mean, that's just Wings.
I just assume that's what he does, right. It's I mean,
like when he goes into a barand he's like, I need a beer
with a water back, you know, which he doesn't dead Man walking,

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he doesn't other ones or not sorry, whiskey with a water back and whiskey
with the water back. It's like, nobody orders anything with a back unless
you're like, yeah, you wereborn in like the late nineteen forties like
that, nobody's nobody, even peopleborn in the fifties, I think,
don't order things with backs anymore.But like Wings does it in this way.
It's just like I'm unabashedly Wings orderingmy beer or my whiskey with a

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water back, and it is youcan get the sense that like if you
were in La with him and youwent to some dive bar with him and
you got like, oh, Iwant a fat tire or whatever, you
know, beer or something like that, whatever they have out in California,
he would sit at that bar andbe like, yeah, I'll have a
whiskey in a water back, likeand you know that's that's what he would
order at you know, when he'swith you at the bar, Oh yeah,

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totally. And he would, asI say, be bopping a Scott
his way around. It's like PeterWeller has his own vernacular and it doesn't
matter what character that he's doing.Peter Weller is just be bopping and scribbly
doing all over the place. Andit's it's because Matt. These guys embodied
jazz. If there's any there's nomore jazz than wings Hous and Peter Weller.

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They are they are to the powerof jazz. The two of them
are on another level. And youthrow Michael Morianty and who actually, well,
Peter Weller's a jazz trumpeter, butor corner player. I think either
one. He plays jazz on ahorn. Man, he's a horn player.
Just deal it, kick it daddy, oh with a water back.

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But right, so he's you're throwingMichael Moriarty. Can you imagine the three
Michael Moriarty, Peter Weller and wingsHouses being around the table just skim nipp
hate touts, get us a youknow what I mean? Can you imagine
the three of them just jazzing outthe three most jazziest jazz to have a

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ski daddle on a piano. Ohthe glory of it doesn't Wings. Is
it Wings playing a piano in likeone of the movies he's in as well?
Yes, so the one Guns andLipstick, which I think I have
a copied with my parents house.So when i'm when I'm up there in
Mail, I see if I canget into the he's playing. I think

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it's like his only scene is himplaying the piano. It's got like like
Evan Laurie, which Evan Laurie hasa fanny pack on it, and it's
got The woman's name is Stally Kirkland. There's two critic reviews, and I
think I'm one of the two.So I looked at one of my Wings
movies wasn't showing up on on IMDV. I think it was The Carpenter.
My review didn't show up on therefor whatever reason. Oh, I just

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picked that up on VHS. TheCarpenter It's good. Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, that's yeah. His hit, that stuff that he did with
Nico Master Rockets was was just fantasticstuff. It was. It was awesome.
Yeah. So to close that manwalking out then, so my feeling
is that it does everything right interms of a B movie. And I

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was so excited after I finished itbecause I was just like I because I
jumped into it. Matt. Iwas like, I'm starting my wings day
and I'm just gonna I pull.For some reason, the cover of dead
Man Walking was talking to me,and I'm like, I'm gonna do it.
How can I How can it bebad? Whin's House of Brian James
Jeffrey Cobs bound to be good postPocalypse. I'm ready for it. It's

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gonna be good. And I'm soglad. I finished that movie on such
a high because I was like,it was good, and it was good
for these reasons. It knew thatyou get a cast that can give it.
The Wallie Right can give it,the Beans can make it saying can
do what they need to do.Right, you have a script with some
ideas in yes, you have avery typical plot, but you've packed it

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full of ideas, and you've packedit full in the newscast and other places
full of like satire and little jokesas well. Right, So you've done
that, and you've put your moneywhere you should to put your money,
and you've not misspent it other places. Yeah, And when I see an
independent movie that does that and succeedsdoing that. I forgive it a million

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and one little you know, flubshere and there, and even this one
doesn't have a lot of flubs hereand there. But like I, an
independent movie needs to show me thatthey have ideas because ideas are free,
right, and even if you can'tfilm those ideas, how you would love
to film those ideas, like fuckingblade run or something. If you can't
do that, then make do withselling your ideas the best way you can.

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And this movie does that and thensome. So I love that.
Yeah, now I totally agree.This is one of my favorite Wings.
I don't think it was on mytop five of the Wings when I did
my top five Wings with the gaysfrom Cormuppets. I don't know if this
one made it that far, butit's still I mean, if you were
putting together a Wings like you know, filmfest, if you were like you

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know, in your case, droppingon a Wings rabbit hole, this is
a great one to start with,I think because it's it's gonna put you
in a it's gonna put you inthe frame of mind to watch more Wings.
Right, You're gonna see him inthis and be like I. But
but like you said, the movie. I think that's the biggest thing.
You know, we see with especiallywith these blockbusters, how many times you

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can have like one hundred and fiftymillion dollars and give absolute crap, right,
and the movies just completely soft andwrong sauce, and nobody wants to
deal with it. This is amovie that takes a small budget and gives
you a very cohesive, solid,consistent film. You know. I think
the other thing about this movie isit's totally consistent throughout, and I think
it's another piece of a movie thatlike low budget movies can sometimes be all

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over the place because they're either piecingthings together, or they're putting things in,
or they didn't have a chance toproof read it enough or something.
And you know, this is thisis totally consistent in a way that like
you can you know what you're gettingthroughout the movie, which I think is
a good thing too. Yeah,And it's it's it's interesting because to continue
the Jazz analogy, there are twotypes of wings movies that we're talking about

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tonight, Dead Men Walking and StreetAsylum both clearly have a script, you
know, behind them, a strongscript behind them. The art of dying
and living to die. They havea script, but it's loose scatting jazz
of a script, you know whatI mean. It's like slightly off the

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wall, five four tempo, youknow, a little bit soggy here and
there, but like it's some madjazz. It's a variety of maddening jazzes,
is what I'm calling it. Butthen these ones are more like,
you know, a good Texas twostep or a good rock and roll twelve

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bar blues or something. It's justa good solid base on which they then
upper the madness of Wings and thecraziness of Brian James and the anxiety ridden
Jeffrey comes. You sprinkle that onthat that gives the that gives the added
bonus. You know, that's theElvis to the you know, that's the

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seventies Elvis horns on a rock androll beat, you know what I mean.
Once you get those pophorns slamming inthe seventies Elvis's voices and becoming an
operatic to combat the pophorns that arejust blowing his two payoff and and but
also at the same time cooling downhis jumpsuit sweat and his karate moves and

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suddenly you've you've borne a second Elvisbecause there was young slim, sexy,
you know, rock and roll acousticguitar. Every song sounds the same elvis
and then you just he gives usa whole second Elvis and who doesn't know
it? And Wings is a bitlike that. He gives us the second
Elvis. Yeah, yeah, Idon't even remembered, but it's glorious.

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Wings gives us a second half.Dead Man Walking has like a kind of
like I don't want to say sanitycompared to you know, I don't think
that's the right term, but ithas a it has a kind of a
consistency that like Wings. When Wingsdirects his movies, there's this, like

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you said, it's like this freejazz kind of thing where it's just like,
you know, here's John Coltrane playingand Miles Davis is going to smoke
a cigarette before it's his turn,and he's gonna smoke a cigarette well while
Coltrane playing, Oh it's my turn, Okay, just remember that the trumpet.
I'll just start playing something now.And it sounds great. You like
it, but there's a manicness toit. Tom Wade's is going to run

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in with a trumpet on the fireand hit it eight times with a stick
before then Miles Davis comes back totown. But you know, because that's
it's erratic like that, like aWings jazz. You think you know where
you are, and then suddenly TomWade is hitting a trombone with a stick
while it's on fire, and you'relike, I have no idea where we

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are now, but I love it. I love it. Wings take me
with you. It's a crazy thingto think that a movie that starts with
chainsaw lette, yeah, could actuallybe less manic than the two Wingshouser noir
films, right, Oh no,yes, this is so you could put
no names in this movie. Andyou've seen this and no names in this

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movie, and you know, witha slightly crappier Roger Corman type script,
and you've seen this movie a thousandtimes, but you get this script that,
like I say, throws ideas aroundthe place. You get Gregory Dark
who clearly knew what he was doingbehind the camera, and you get three

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professional B movie icons legends, andyou put them in the film playing only
to their strengths, playing entirely totheir strengths, and you know because you've
got this, it's because you've gotan a team style plot to hang your
boots on. You can do whatyou want with it. And that's what

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the best b movies and the bestindependent movies have a central plot that you're
like, Okay, the guy's gotto go get the thing from that guy,
but then the girl gets kidnapped andhe's got to go save the girl
while possibly sacrificing himself the end whatever. Right, they're all like Western type
plots. Thousand movies have those plots. It's what you do with it's what

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you hang on those plots. Right, There's nothing there's nothing original about Taken's
plot except the way they made Taken, the way they made Taken, the
character they crafted with Liam Neeson,the sort of race against time aspect of
the shooting or the film, Imean, the the uber violence that really

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take no prisoner uber violence, Likea lot of that was very new to
Western audiences, if you can takebecause they took a something we're all familiar
with the You Give Me Back MyDaughter, You Son of a Bitch movies,
and you pepper other shit on it, and that's what dead Man Walking
and to the same extent Street Asylum, but we'll get on to that.

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Yeah, that's what dead Man Walkingdoes to its its strong benefit. And
I believe Andy Lunn, who ishimself no stranger to rabbit holes, having
been the originator of the Sleezy Spaderspringtime, although he did not call that,
he did, however, do aSleezy Spader season, which is how
he came to know and love theaftermovie, Diner has asked, all right,

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then, what is our you know, ideal wings house A pack Someone
comes up to you and goes,h, well, I need five wings
Houser movies. What wings do Istart with? So I I'm not going
to say, well five now,but I would put dead Man Walking in
that basket. Yeah, I think, yeah, this is definitely going to
start with. And I think oneother quick thing I want to say about

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the plot, because I think youmake a great point about like having a
simple plot and sprinkling things on it. So many movies like jam in plot
exposition in this like kind of likeeither it's a conversation that characters are having
and it's like you know, oh, here's you know, like like you
know, Jeffrey comes. If theycould have had Jeffrey Comes and Wing's house
are sitting together and jammed in allthis plot exposition that we get with these

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news clips that are funny, andthe news clips were a really great way
to prevent the film from being boggeddown in background exposition right while giving us
that exposition that we could use tokind of fill out our idea of the
movie. It was a really geniusidea because so many movies get bogged down
on that kind of thing where it'slike, I want to tell you everything

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about this world I'm creating. Iwant you to know the whole world,
so I'm just gonna people tell youabout it while they have conversations. This
movie with that, with that anchorthing, it allowed the conversations that Wings
and Jeffrey Comes, or Wings andBrian James or whatever, their conversations were
strictly about moving the plot forward.It wasn't about giving backstory, it wasn't
about telling about them or any ofthat kind of thing. And I thought

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that was another genius concept there,but it really worked well because if you
were if you were living in aworld where there was something known as a
plague zone and that was normal toyou when you saw someone in a bar
who you never met before. Youwouldn't go, well, isn't it crazy
about the plague Zone? Tell meall about how the play zone came about,
because you would both know how theplague Zone came about. Now,

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you might talk about aspects of theplague Zone, like, I don't know
the warden. You know, ReginaldBumcass or whatever, and that I don't
know, I'm just making up ReginaldBumpkass the warden of the plague Zone.
He was a bit of a scumbag. You might do that, but if
someone said that in this movie,you'd be like, I don't know who
that is. You know what Imean? Right? The characters would know

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who he was because they're living inthe world. But yeah, Sometimes people
see Ghostbusters Afterlife is a prime exampleof this. Instead of having a movie
where you had the Iowa wherever it'sset, the Cornfield, Egon Spangler,

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Ranch of Death or whatever it was, you have that plot going along,
and then simultaneously you should be findingout where the Ghostbusters are now and being
learning the story of Egon from likeboth sides. That would have been a
really interesting way to have done thatmovie. And when people go right,

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but you don't want too much goingon. I always say sitcoms have an
A, B and C plot goingon all simultaneously at all times. And
they were twenty two minutes long,and they wrapped that plot up in twenty
two minutes. So don't tell methat a ninety minute movie can't have two
simultaneous plot threads going on at oneAnd to some extent, Dead Man Walking
does it really nicely because you have, as you say, the news broadcast,

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which if you played all five newsbroadcasts or whatever back to back,
it would tell one story, andthen the five clips of the tales of
Wings and Jeffrey that kind of tellsanother story. And they just put it
together, and together they form aworld, you know, in the middle
of afterlife. So you've watched youyou get it. You're getting to know

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this young family that moved out tothe sticks with a mother who you know
has no money and blah blah blah, I hate so father and da da
dah dah and you. And thething that's frustrating is the first forty five
minutes you as the audience, knowthat they're the Spanglers. You know it,
you already know it. You go, oh, okay, that's Egon's
granddaughter, like, get on withit. No, you spend a whole
almost hour getting to know these people. No, no, we've got it.

(01:50:49):
It's Spangles's daughter. I get Canwe get on with it? It's
spendless daughter, give up? No, no, no, We're gonna spend
an hour. Then about an hourin they called dan Akroyd and you,
an audience of gene X audience member, you go, oh, wait,
hate them. Dan Acroid's finally shownup in this movie. This is gonna
be great, and dan Akroid goes, Hi, my name is dan Ackroid,

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and I play Ray Stands, andRay stands as this character, and
I'm now doing this Ernie Hudson,who plays what and basically explains in eight
minutes of the most inelegant, shittydialogue I've ever heard in a movie what
all the other three Ghostbusters have beengetting up to? Right right then the
phone calls over and he doesn't comeback into the movie for another like forty

(01:51:33):
five minutes. It's the worst pieceof fucking shit. People who like that,
I cannot understand it. People whohate on Ghostbusters too, and like
Ghostbusters afterlife, I'm mad about it, Matt, I'm mad about it.
Although Ghostbusters Frozen Empire enjoyed the shitout of it, that was a movie
that could have done with a bitof wings hous er. If you don't
know what I mean, or ifyou do know what I mean, if

(01:51:53):
you do know what I mean,if you don't know, if you do,
anyway, carry on, Matt.My brain hasn't met. I haven't
seen those Ghostbusters, so I've seenone and two and I haven't seen it
for you. I'm sorry, Ijust fail off. Oh no, I
mean at some point I'll probably watchit. You know, you can't spoil
them, like I always say,you can't spoil a movie that's been out

(01:52:15):
for like if I haven't seen itin five or six years or whenever that
movie came out. That's my fault. It's it's one thing to spoil a
movie, to be like if likethe movie's just out the theater and you
know, it's like that's one thing. Is what's like, it's like the
Simpsons, right where the Simpsons wherelike like Homer walks out of the Empire

(01:52:38):
strikes back or yeah, he's likeyou know when they revealed that lucas the
Father or that darth Vader's Luke's father, and he's walking out as everybody's in
mind to go in, and he'slike, I can't believe darth Vader was
Luke's father, you know before likeyou were going like that kind of think
is spoiling it. But if themovie's been out for a lot of years,
it's my fault for not having seenit. And because you know,
people in the zeit guys are gonnatalk about the movie. They're going to

(01:52:59):
discuss the movie, and so it'slike, you know, people should be
discussing it. So it's like,you know, yeah, although the people
who were spoiling Game of Thrones thevery next morning after the episode they had
that suck right exactly like that kindof thing. It's like, yeah,
yeah, no, no, it'sthe worst. Anyone who does that has
scumback. But if you were sayingand I didn't really spoil the whole of
Afterlife, I just said that.I mean, I haven't spoiled anything that

(01:53:23):
isn't in the trailer. Like That'sthe other thing is that that acro clip
is literally in the trailer anyway,So going on there, I did know
that he was in the movie.I did know. Yeah, yeah,
no I didn't. Yeah. Sogoing on there, So Andy Luhan PLoP
dead man walking firmly in your wingsstarter pack basket. Yes, we're going

(01:53:45):
to go on and talk about StreetAsylum. Street Asylum made a couple of
years later by the same group ofpeople. We even get an extended Brian
James cameo. We're not going tocall him a third part, but he's
extended Brian James. Really, wehave Wings as the lead. We have.
There isn't a Jeffrey comes though inthis There is, however, a

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G. Gordon Liddy, which isfor people who don't know he was one
of the guys who did Watergate andwho then posts his very small stint in
prison, ended up doing some moviesand a talk show and a Fox TV
thing and a bunch of other stuff. But he is I mean, if
you if you see his photograph onIMDb, it's him bowled with an enormous

(01:54:33):
mustache, holding his chin up infront of a flowing American flag. That's
the kind of madness you know,we're talking about with G. Gordon Liddy.
And in a weird way, Ithink the Street Asylum thinks that G.
Gordon Liddy is its winning ticket,but it's it's it also thinks so
this I have a twofold theory aboutStreet Asylum. It's either the most ridiculously

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republican mad movie that's ever been made, or and I think it's the second
one because there's a lot of satirein this movie as well. Yeah,
or the casting of g. GordonLiddy is to laugh at and debase G
Gordon Liddy. I think it's thesecond one. Yeah, Well, because
g Gordon Lyddy at this time,even though he was, you know,

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doing the talk radio thing was consideredvery serious, he was in it for
the money he could use the money. Behind the Bastards is a six part
thing on g Gordon leatedly, that'show how ridiculous he is, but how
long of a story in the arc. I mean, the reason why Watergate,
why they even found out about Watergate, was that him and the other
guy were just so like inept atdoing the Watergate stuff that like it was

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like impossible not to get caught.So yeah, but that's like all these
blowhard Republicans, they're all really shitat whatever it is. They think they're
really good at doing it because they'veovercompensated their entire life with a braggadocio of
epic proportions that has just blown anyreasonable sanity out of their tiny, tiny
brains. But he does have anexcellent mustache. Anyway, exactly street a

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silent. I don't really know howbest to describe it. I really don't
know how best to describe it becauseit's mad. But basically it's quasi future.
It's not like super future, butit's like, you know, crime
has become rampant. It's sort ofa RoboCop ish future, but without robots,
I guess. And what they've doneis they are taking cops who are

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good cops and you know, empatheticcops and and you know, some of
the best in the business and puttingthem in a group called squad squ a
D I forget what it stands for. Do you remember mat scum. It's
like like I was getting like thescum off the streets was like, and

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what scum was? One of themwas like a que and I trying to
think what the Q would have been. It was it was something to do
with like getting this the scum offthe streets. Yeah, yeah, but
yes, a group called called squadwhose mission is to get rid of street
scrum by any means necessary. Wingsgets co opted into this after he has
been shot, right, They getthem all after they've been shot, right,

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And while he is under anesthetic havinghis bullet wound in tended to.
He has had a thing implanted inhis back, Matt in his spine,
which is going to make all hisworst impulses slowly bubble to the surface,
causing, as it seems, twoof his partners, who have clearly been
implanted longer than him, to gostark, raving mad and commit suicide.

(01:57:40):
Yeah, it's funny, so no, I was just going to say so.
This then leads Wings to tear thecity apart figuring out who it is.
It's obvious it's g Gordon Liddly becauseit's fucking g Gordon Liddy. Why
else have him in the movie?But we want to see how we get
there with it, don't we,Matt, And we want to watch g
Gordon Lily. They ultimately be debasedby a woman but pretending to be a

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prostitute. It's a whole long thing. But he likes dominatrix women anyway.
Yeah. The rovert of ROBERTA.Back at Rasquez. We were talking about
that because obviously she did, youknow, a lot of Sedaris films.
I think it's I think when whenHope Marie Combs decided, is that her
name, Hope Marie Combs, theone who was in like, uh,

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Savage Island or Savage Beach, whoplayed Donna Spears's sister on the in the
movies. When she de yeah,let's see if I can, I was
just gonna say, I can pullup for Burt of Vasquez as well and
see her or Donna space Carlton,that's a hope, yeah, hoping to
Carlton. That's what was. Sowhen she decided she didn't want to get

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naked anymore, Sedaris decided he didn'twant her in the movie when she asked
for just a broduct of dignity.I didn't need her in films anymore.
But yeah, his his quote washis quote about that was was I only
want you in the movies to getnaked. So that's why again, you
know so so so then he replacedher with Roverta Fasquez, who played a

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different character from what the Bad theBaddie she was in Picaso trigger she was
essentially Donna Spears Partner and all thosemovies, and of course, you know
the Sedaris films. You know,Vasquez had no problem taking her clothes off,
and you know, she had allkinds of love scenes with Bruce Pennhall.
It's almost like in this movie theywere right exactly exactly. Well,

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he talks about the one that almostruined his marriage was the Julie K.
Smith one in Dallas Connection, becauseJulie K. Smith was like, I'm
just going for it. You know, you want to do a love scene.
You want, I'll show you alove scene. And he was like,
great, I'll go with it.You know. His wife was like,
why did you go with it?Like you shouldn't have gone with it,
you know. But Roberto Vasquez,it's almost like they were like,
Okay, we got her in thismovie. We gotta have some scene with

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her, you know, we gottahave something that's like her, you know.
And and so they just put herin this sexy outfit and have her
pretend to be a dominatrix in frontof g. Gordon Liddy. Yeah,
which I like because I get tohear g. Gordon Liddy giggle like a
small girl, which is always pleasing, So essentially, yeah, he joined
the squad. He gets to signthese partners. Both his partners go mad

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in two bizarre ways. One getssuper super angry, the other one is
like giggling and strapping villains to theback of his car and driving around like
a wild guy and a wife beata vest, just sweating and screaming at
people. So Wings is like,what the hell's going on? Starts to
investigate, and you know, throughoutwe're hearing sort of clips of radio broadcasts

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that again kind of explain a littlebit about the kind of far right world
that this movie takes place in.Again, it's another reason why I think
it's kind of anti far right ratherthan profile right, is because it's sort
of doing you know what I mean, pro right people wouldn't be like,
you know, here's a news broadcastwhere we have to tell everyone how pro

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right we are, you know whatI mean, Like they wouldn't. That
wouldn't be how you would do.Yeah, and he, you know,
he there's a lot of running around, there's a lot of shouting. Everyone
shouts in this movie. There isn'ta quiet moment, and every single scene
in this movie is punctuated with sirens, cars exploding, people shouting, guns
going off, neighbors screaming at otherneighbors. Oh, get the dog in

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here, whatever. Everyone is shouting. The whole fucking movie. Everyone is
shouting. And it's also you know, if you've seen Wings in Vice Squad,
you expect to get a little sleezeand a little grit with your Wings.
And this is another one where Wingsdoes not disappoint. Street Asylum is

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a very kind of grungey ugly movie, not in a bad way, in
a good way. It's sort ofa grungey ugly movie, but in a
good way. With the hulking madnessof Wings, houses running around, taking
names, and does he throw anymotherfuckers out of it doing this one?
Oh you know what, Well,No he doesn't, right, his partner

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does at the very beginning when theygo into it, because if the partner
has ESP and can make sense thatthere's a sexual assault going on in an
apartment, yes, it's part ofhis implot. He's part of his implan.
That'sure the implant. He can.Yeah, he knows what's happening in
advance. Yeah hect well did didn'the get thrown out the window or or

(02:02:30):
no? No, he didn't know. He jumped out the window to escape,
and the partner shot at him andkilled a bystander to say, that's
right. So so I don't knowif wings threw anybody out of window.
That's a good that's a good point. But he does love to I don't
have a motherfucker out of a window. I mean that's he got a pleasure
out of that. So yeah,STRAIGHTA saw him. I liked it.
But it is it is. Itis not a dead Man Walking. It's

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it's it was very evident that ithad more money than it needed, and
I think that that was it's alittle messy. I think I think it
wasn't as tight. It didn't havethe quota of ideas. It's a different
screenwriter, to be fair, Soit's it's not the same group entirely,
but it doesn't. It doesn't havethe same level of ideas or the same

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sort of straightforwardness of Dead Man Walking. However, you know, the manic
energy and the shouting and the grunginessand the weirdness and the sweatiness and the
sleaziness, it does sort of makeit endearing in its own way. It's
not I wouldn't say it's a badone. I just wouldn't say it's top
it's not top tier wings, butit's B tier Wings. And I'll take

(02:03:38):
B tier Wings all day as long, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. I meanthis was one of those ones that
I picked up on Amazon when myfriends and that were kind of on this
Wings kick. And when we watchedit, were young, like in our
on the Win effactly, we werein our mid twenties, and we took
it personally. The writer of this, you know, is more preachy than

(02:04:00):
the dead Man walking right like he'syou know, I've got some I've got
these really great, grandiose political ideasthat I'm going to give you in this
movie here, and I'm gonna gavethis commentary, and and there's so many,
you know, bonkers things that happenin this movie that we were just
like, you can't put these bonkersthings in your movie and then try to
preach to it at the same time, Like we took it personally. I
think now at this age, youknow, in my mid forties, I

(02:04:24):
don't take it personally. I geta kick out of it. You know.
It's like, you know, BrianJames is gonna randomly set some guy
on fire, and then you're gonnatell me that like, well this,
I mean, this was hilarious.This was a running joke. What's hilarious
is a running joke in this movie. And it's weird because a similar running
joke is in the Return of thePink Panther the Christopher Plumber Peter Sellers movie,

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and the running joke is there isa it's basically an informant. He's
a criminal, but he informs forthe police, and so they give him
a pass, right, but theyalso beat him up. So when they
first see him, you know,they're like throwing him over a fast food
joint table or whatever, and thenyou know, by the next time,
they're like roughing him up and throwinghim against a wall or whatever. And

(02:05:09):
it's sort of they don't sell thejoke. But when I saw him,
when he was just before he getsset on fire, he's got like bandages
on, and he's got all theselike scars of what he's gone through because
he gets dragged behind the car.That's it, right, by the third
time they're dragging him behind the car. He basically is just a guy who
constantly gets shit on by the world. And then the very last thing is

(02:05:30):
right when he wanders into the wrongback alleyway and Brian James and his mad
cult of mad people are all screamingat each other and waving flaming torches around.
Suddenly, poor old informant guy justgets lit on fire. So it's
meant to be the punchline to asort of beat up the low level hood

(02:05:51):
kind of joke, but it doesn'tsell it until you kind of go,
wait, was that meant to bea running joke? You sort of realize
after the fact it doesn't hit sellthe punchline like it ship well, because
because it's it's so out of nowhere, because like the previous moments, right,
it's like this guy's Snake played byan actress sy Richardson, who was

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actually sorry Snake was the character heplayed a dead man walking in this he
plays a character named Joker, sohe's one of the squad uh detectives.
Yeah, I mean he was sayingthat he's led. His performance is good.
I think this guy's performance was everybit as good as he's legend performance
to be honest, because this guyso all out of it. Yeah,

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he's just it's insane, and sohe's like dragging him around and like you
know, then like wings like yousaid, he roughs him up some,
but like the escalation of the settinghim on fire, Like I get,
I get what you're saying, Likeit's like you know, you kind of
get like it's like a but Iknow what it is why it doesn't work
as well, I know what itis. Every other form of death can

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be cartoony, Like if he washit by a truck, you could have
had him go and wake up againfor being hit by a truck, do
you know what I mean? Ifhe was in a building that blew up,
he could come out with like sootall over him and his hair smoking
like Tom Hangs at the end ofthe Burbs, and you'd be like,
Okay, I buy it. Doyou know what I mean? You can't

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make setting someone on fire funny,Like there's nothing funny about being set on
fire, do you know what Imean? Like you can push someone out
of a building, they could landon the pavement and be like flat like
a pancake, and it can belike Tom and Jerry, right, But
what you can't do is like setI was just about to say Tom and
Jerry never said, well they didthough, they used to set them on

(02:07:38):
fire and like they'd all turn intolike a little black So you just can't
set people on fire in a funnyway, although they tried. They gave
it a valiant effidence. But itcomes so out of nowhere too, because
it's like Brian James is just sittingthere preaching, and he's almost like background,
right, He's just there preaching,and he's in the background, Wings

(02:08:01):
is questioning this guy of this informantabout stuff, while Brown James is just
standing there in the background observing.But Brian James just like, oh,
give me a gas can. I'mjust gonna douse this guy in gas lead
it said about fire after Wiggs Iwas away, It's like, why are
you doing that? You know,it just comes. But there are a
few things like that where it justcomes out of nowhere, And I think
the writer was probably making some statementon the inherent findings of religion or some

(02:08:26):
shit or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I know, I think you're right.
I mean, I think it's oneof those things with age where initially,
you know, my friends and Ilooked at that and we were like,
who is this guy? That madeit like this is ridiculous, Like
what are we watching? And thenyou're gonna give us some kind of political
commentary, you know, Whereas nowit's like the manic energy of it is

(02:08:46):
just so ridiculous that I'm just like, I feel the same way about the
movie, but I'm like, likethe movie, my opinion of the movie
is the same, but how Ifeel about it is different, you know,
Like now I'm like, you know, like you said, I don't
know if this is in my topfive wings, but it's like if you
were doing this and you know deadMan Walking in Street as that almost a

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back to back. I think it'sa good fun double feature for people.
I think it works in that capacity. I tell you what this would be,
you know when like they everyone wastalking about it when Rodriguez and Tarantino
did that grindhouse movie. But likeeveryone's like, oh, the ultimate grindhouse
like double feature. This would bea very very strong drive in double feature.

(02:09:31):
You would prefer the earlier movie,but the second movie would be louder
and more bombastic and more it wouldsend you out of the parking lot with
your ears ringing, you know whatI mean. And that's that's why I
think, and also because much likeTarantino showed with his entry into the Grindhouse
Double Bill, not all grindhouse filmsare good. And I do not like

(02:09:56):
Death Proof. I do not thinkit's a good grindhouse movie at all.
I do not. I think hecompletely mist But the Street Asylum, you
know, you have to have aweak room of the two you have to
leave and be like a dead ManWalking was great, but man like Street
Asylum, it was crazy when theydragged it behind the car, you know
what I mean. It's kind oflike watching Death Wish one and Death Wisch

(02:10:16):
three. Like in Death Wish oneyou're like, oh, okay, it's
a bit SolV but straightforward, andyou know whatever. Deathwisch three you're like,
wait, what the hell just happened? He's got a fucking World War
two gatlin gun that he's just goingaround mowing people down. What is going
on? So yeah, that's kindof what it's like in this but no
Street Asylum. I think I gaveit a solid three and a half stars

(02:10:37):
out of five. I think Igave Dead Man Walking four and a half
out of five. That's that's kindof where I was with my Wings rating
on these two. I think anotherwatch of Street Asylum might lead me to
push it up to a four.But it's never a five, you know
what I mean. That's how Ifeel about it. Yeah, no,
I agree with you there. Ithink it's it when you know, when

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you see Wings at the beginning,and I think the thing for me when
I first started watching Street as Alumagain, it's like you see Wings and
there's this this smooth jazz music playingto the backdrop of eighties LA, late
eighties or late nineties LA, andhe's driving around in a full police uniform
in a squad car, you know, harassing prostitutes as he's driving along.

(02:11:22):
It's a wonderful introduction. Yeah,it's a it's a beautiful thing. And
I mean, and you know,I think they're trying to bite on on
taxi driver, but it works,right, It works in the sense of,
like, you know, almost likean LA taxi driver, an LA
version of taxi driver, only youknow, he's a cop instead of a
taxi driver. Like all of thatworks there. And so as the movie
goes on, they start layering,like you know, with Dead Man Walking,

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they kind of set the world withthe Chainsaw Roulette, and they just
stay consistently within that world, right, like that world is what that world
is? Where's this world where whereWings is kind of, you know,
to the smooth jazz sound, youknow, harassing prostitutes and he gets shot.
It's like they kind of start layeringbonkers upon bonkers as the film goes

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on. What's great about Wings inthat role is that Wings takes his performance
and he's able to maintain the bonkers. And I think that's one reason why
I think this movie is like whenyou're talking about like the double feature.
You know, if you've got like, you know, six, your six
IPA's in by the time you getto Street Asylum, you can roll with
it a lot better. Yeah,and it feels better, you know.

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But it's true, Yeah, Wingsanchors a lot of the films that he's
in, even if he's being shoutyand mad and Wings about it, right,
there's something just about that solid centralspindle on which the rest of the
madness revolves that as long as he'ssort of a stable madness, I mean,

(02:13:00):
as long as he's sort of thisgrounding presence, you know, in
the way that a sort of aBrian Dennehy is you know what I mean,
Like it's just a grounding presence.Yeah, he's sort of the denner
He mixed with the scat brain ofa Peter Weller. He's sort of a
dennehee Weller. That's really what heis, with a soup stan of Hasselhoff.

(02:13:24):
He's a Hasselhoff dennehe Weller, whichis also the name of my attorneys
and my new band, like EmersonLake and Farmer or whatever. But yeah,
he's all of these things and more. And he's he Anchor Street Asylum.
I think by this point in hiscareer it would have been a little

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odd to ask him to play theeveryman, you know, yeah, you
know, it's just not possible atthis point. Okay, so before we
go on to the PM Entertainment doublebill, I'm going to propose, for
Andy Lunn's sake, another double billand my double bill would both be movies
that I would put in the Wingshauserstarter kit. And that is the double

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bill of in this order as well, Mutant and Nightmare at Noon, because
yes, they're both very similar,but they both have completely different vibes,
so they have very similar plots.Wings a bumbling Dufas ends up in a
small hick town and they immediately allturn into zombies because of a big corporate

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conspiracy. That's the plot of boththese movies, right. There's no spoilers
there. But Mutant is the Nightof the Georgia merret Night of the Living
Dead to Nightmarrit Noon's Tom Savigni nineteennineties, neither Living Dead remake or it

(02:14:54):
is. The Mutant is the escapefrom New York to Nightmaret Noons eight from
La do you know what I mean? It's note Noon is a lot more
fun. I loved Mutant. Mutanthas some great stuff in it. The
zombie kids are phenomenal. The littlepussy hand vaginas there that melt through car

(02:15:16):
windows, They're amazing. I loveas a little like zombie thing where they're
like, oh and by the waytheir hands can burn through windows. You're
like, I've never seen that before. Brilliant. So you have that.
And then Nightmare at Noon is likeNico much pastor archist took this idea and
just went fuck Bo Hopkins just comingin and out and being a relatively serious

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sheriff. Let's have Bo Hopkins throughoutthe whole thing. Firing multiple weapons and
being crazy, you know what Imean. So that's that's I would say
that is a solid Houser Bo HopkinsKiller Zombie double bill that if you are
compiling Wingshouser double bills, dead ManWalking straight Aside Him great, Uh.

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Mutant and night merrit Noon equally great. I think you'd agreement. I've seen
you. Yeah, I think it'sanother great double feature. I think the
interesting thing about Mutant as well isthat Mutant is like from eighty four,
and Wings is like in his midthirties then like thirty seven, I guess,
and then he's like in his earlyforties, you know, for a

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Nightmare Noon, which is eighty eight. So but it's interesting because that even
though he's playing in his mid thirties, he's playing someone who's supposed to be
even younger, right in Mutant,and which is a trip. You know,
he seemed like with his polo neckshirts on and stuff like that.
It's just it's a it's a it'sit's it's like the whole thing that he's
doing in Mutant is just it's it'sfantastic that, like you said, the
other thing about Nightmare at Noon,that makes it fantastic for a double feature

(02:16:48):
is George Kennedy is playing the sheriff. So you've got a movie with Bo
Hopkins in it. Yeah, butyou're gonna you upgrade to George Kennedy as
the sheriff. Yeah, And Ithink to do it, you're both you
know, obviously from a time standpoint, right what mutants in eighty four nmar
News eighty eight, So it's goodto have them chronologically like that. But
I also think again from a doublefeature standpoint, when you're six IPAs in

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for that second movie, to haveGeorge Kennedy on the screen there is just
absolutely fantastic for that second movie.It is Kennedy was born like Kennedy was
the MMT Walsh of his day kindof thing. And I know that they
crossed over from each other, butyou know, Kennedy was in no way
like, there's no way you'd hireKennedy to be your sheriff. He's physically

(02:17:33):
completely unfit and had been physically unfitfor many, many years. Yet there's
something gloriously American and wonderful about theimage of Kennedy as this overweight have swiped
you know, swiped over combover haircut, with his six shooter going out up

(02:17:54):
against the zombies. You're like,yes, that's American mainstream right there.
That's his apple pie and vanilla icecream. That is George Kennedy over the
Hill should have been kicked out ofoffice twenty years ago, comb Over sheriff
going out onto the street of Higgsvillenowhere to fight some zombies. I'm here

(02:18:16):
for it, Matthew, and I'mhappy it's happening. Oh you're you're yeah,
that point with like the the youknow the ip as you know,
for the first movie, you've gonethrough some popcorn. Maybe you know,
you order some wings or pizza.Like by the time you're into Nightmare at
noon, you're eating like cold pizza. You're eating leftovers that you're running whatever
you can to and and so like. But the movie's giving you some George

(02:18:39):
Kennedy. The movie's giving you war, right do you need that George Kennedy
there? And you don't know,you didn't know you needed it when you
watch Mutant, you don't know youneed George Kennedy for the second movie,
right, But when he's there andyou're like, god, I mean,
he's got this voice that sounds likehe's doing like commercial voiceovers like he did,
you know later in his career,like breath Assured stuff like that.
It's like it, Yeah, it'sa fantas has to get I mean that

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I never thought about. There's alot of good double features with wings like
he you know, I can thinkof a few others too, where it's
like, oh, you put thesetwo together and or if you want,
I would bry On Trilogy. Youcould do dead Man Street Asylumn in Nightmare
Noon. Yeah, because Brian doesshow up in Nightmare Noon as a wildly

(02:19:24):
insane albino as a kind of ColonelSander's insane albino, which which he plays
an albino in Virtual Assassin AKA,so you know the Michael Dudikov move right,
So it's like he's so you canalso do like the Briano James albino
double features we played really Assure Australianand Tango and cash. We can't decide

(02:19:48):
what accent he's trying to do.He's not succeeding in doing either of them,
but there he is doing it,and they're making jokes about it being
a lime or something. So yeah, I'm wondering because I mean, you
know, he does this movie withGeorge Kennedy, he you know, Burns
and then the Walsh with a cigarin Red Scorpion. I feel like he

(02:20:11):
must have done a Harry Dean Stantonmovie as well, Like I mean,
like, is he just like collectinggreat character actors? Yeah, Brian James,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, theremust there's gonna be a Harry Dean
Stanton movie in his his filmography.I mean he's got to be. He's
gotta be. Yeah. Yeah.I was very happy to hear on one
of the Oh the podcast interview withWings Houser that he would sit around talk

(02:20:33):
about I should have brought this upearlier with the Hollywood video guy. But
Wings used to be in a pokergame with Charles Bronson. Can you imagine
that Wings, Wings, Charles Bronson? Who else did he say? Was
that he said Malto would show up? Who else would show up? It
was Wing as Charles Bronson. Butit was all those kind of guys.

(02:20:54):
It was all that kind of likeHollywood shrapnel I call it, you know,
I mean, like just you knowwhat I mean, Like, can
you imagine Wings and Charles Bronson justpaying like, Oh, I just did
a movie called out of dying.What's that all about? Well, you
know, and then Brunce, well, I just went over to London and
I did Death Wish three And Imean, can you imagine the stories man

(02:21:18):
him and Bronson just talking like likeI just went with three men. I
like chicken, but yeah, Imean fucking Bronson and and Wings together again.
I wish the'd been I mean,I mean that the amount of whiskey
and water backs that they were doing, they had to have been doing.

(02:21:41):
It's just like it what it backand bring me both chicken. So it
looks like the two of them mayhave done an episode of gun Smoke together.
Chahnson would be an interesting That wouldbe interesting to see what wigs and
bronze and if they did a movietogether because they yeah, with the poker

(02:22:05):
playing. But anyway, A definitelythrow those two movies into the basket.
I have to move on now tothe PM Entertainment double bill of Houser directing
Genius. We've got the Art ofDying and Living to die. Living to

(02:22:26):
die is the first one, butthe Art of Dying is the last one.
I would prefer to leave living todie to the end, because living
to die well I don't know,because I watched them the other way around.
I watched the Art of Dying first, and then I watched Living to
Die, and the Living to Diefelt like the more accomplished film in some

(02:22:46):
way. Yeah, but they areboth an example of Wings going full jazz.
This is full board jazz wings.That's what this is. Yes,
So which one should we start with? You? And I don't mind going
chronologically if you want, But no, I mean I almost kind of think

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Art of Dying is a better oneto start with than Living to Die,
just because even though they chronologically,you know, Living to Die was sooner,
there's just this one. Your Artof Dying is it's it's manic Wings
for sure, but it's also youknow, kind of your classic serial killer
kind of you know, you know, like you know, the kind of

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the idea of well we were going, right, if we were going with
the double bill of earlier, wherewe were putting the more fun, bombastic,
over the top movie second, thenyou would schedule it Living to Die
and then Art of Dying. BecauseArt of Dying is the more visually violent,

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visually over the top, visually silly, visually everything. It's it's it's
the more bombastic of the two.However, watching it the way were and
I watched it, Living to Dieis so like existential jazz, like Wings
existential jazz, that it was anotherexperience. So instead of having that experience

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of like living on a high,I left on an experience of like slacked
jaw amazement and a feeling of doomedmortality. Like I had both. I
had like an existential on way andjust a slack jaw. What the fuck
did I just watch? And itwas a beautiful way to end the night.

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So the interesting thing about these twomovies they work either way. They
are interchangeable, choose your own path. I personally preferred Living to Die second,
and that's how I would like itto remain on this show. I
mean. The third one that hedirected for PM was called Fire, and
that one kind of doesn't fit withthese other two. Like it's it's still

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very much Wings. It's a reallyfun one. I you know, I
like that one as well. ButI mean, yeah, you know again,
it's it's a weird thing because youwould think like you could do like
a you know that you could startif you did a weekend Wings film fest
where you did two movies on Friday, three on Saturday, and two on
Sunday weekend with well, you couldcall it right right it would you know

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that that three pm films in themiddle of the weekend would be kind of
a good fun, you know,good pairing. But I don't know if
I would want Cold Fire in myfilm fest when I think of some other
movies, like you know, youknow, the Hostage the Other Way killed
right in that because Houser and RobertZadah in the I mean also the way

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Hauser is in the hardware store orwherever they go into to like rough up
the guys to get answers at thebeginning, and he just like chatting away,
he doesn't even blink, moves thegun over there and like shoots a
guy who comes round the corner withthe gun. He didn't he could have
been carrying a roll of piping.Howard Is shoots him in the shoulder and
then goes to, you know,don't blink. What it's great? Uh,

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I would go kill his Edge overCold Fire? Yeah, I No,
I agree excellently. That would bea good A good three for Killer's
Edge with these two would be agood three for you know, Killer's Edge
of these two, by the timeyou got to the end of Flipping to
Die, I think you might haveentered a whole new level of I watched
five Wings films back to back,but even I wasn't stupid enough to go

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kill His Edge Odds of Dying andthen Living to Die because the double bill
of Out of Dying and Living toDie, it's it's almost too much.
Man. It's almost the volume ofWings that you get with these two.
And I say volume in the senseof like it's like like Wings is directing
these and he's just like I'm turningthe knob up to eleven and ripping off

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the knob. This is like spinaltap, like it just fifed a nadle
and and I mean he just goesfull. But it's interesting because it's it's
two different kinds of full bore.And these two movies too, it's like,
you know, Living to Die,like you said, it's kind of
like you watch the whole thing andyou're like, man, that was that
was it? You know? Thatreally fucking nuts? Yeah? Yeah,

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Whereas like Art of Dying, you'rejust like, I love Wings's take on
a serial killer movie. It's it'sit's such a great wings take on a
serial killer. It's right. Yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
So uh Art of Dying is Silenceof the Lambs. Living to Die,
though, is the Robert Mitchell movieFarewell, My Lovely, so meaning

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it's that, you know, Robertmitcham Farewell, My Lovely. It's in
the seventies, it's produced by Bruckheimer. It's it's a phenomenal I think it's
an incredible Mallow adaptation. I loveFarewell, My Lovely. It's by far
one of my favorite noirs of alltime. But it's definitely a noir in
the way that Tombstone has every singleWestern trope you could ever possibly have in
a Western, Like Tombstone is Westernto the power of Western, the Farewell

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my loveliest sort of film noir tothe power of film no whit. It's
like, it's it's all the tropesand things that you want from a film
noir. But then so is Livingto Die. Like Living Living to Die
is a film noir, that's whatit is, mixed with a sort of
hapless gangster kind of film. Yeah. The detective film as much as the

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criminal movie were both popular at thattime. Whether it's angels with dirty faces
or whether it's the Big Sleep.You know that there, you know,
one celebrates the criminal, one celebratesthe detective, and whatever. Living Living
to Die dares to do both.Matt, It dares to do both.
Living Tode does the impossible. Ifif anyone flies too close to the sun

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on wax Wings Houser, it's it'sit's living to die. It flies so
close to the sun, Mat butright at the last minute banks and makes
a smooth landing on the moon.And it's just wonderful. I thought Living
to Die was so I had.I had no idea what to expect,

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and I was entertained every minute.But let's start the Art of dying and
then living to die and then we'llwrap it up. But uh Art of
dying tell us all about the plot, Matt. So, a guy is,
you know, killing women. He'slike staging them based off of like
famous movie scenes, right, Likehe's sort of putting them on stage and

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sort of famous death scenes from movies. So he does the Russian Roulette scene
from Well, he's essentially making snuffmovies out of famous films. So he
does the Russian Roulette scene from dearHunter, but he does it for real
with real bullets in the gun.He does the psycho shower death scene.

(02:29:56):
Uh. He does scarface with thechainsaw, right, is that the skyface
reference or is that? I thinkso change a mask of reference. I
don't know either one. Uh.And then he does sort of a weird
joan of OK thing towards the end. I have no idea, but yes,
he's staging deaths and he's filming them. And it's because Hollywood wouldn't take

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him seriously or something that's right.It's right exactly. And Wings is on
the case with Kathleen Kidmont and andso he's sort of falling in love with
with Kathleen. They're starting to havea budding relationship and and she she talked
about the love scene that they have, which involved food, milk, stuff

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like that. She said that hejust was like he's shooting the scene and
he's like he's asking the makeup womanto powder his ass more so they could
get it close up on his ass. So he's making this woman put like
foundation or whatever on his butt cheeksto do this scene. And she's like
saying, how like the milk andstuff is starting to like puddle and everything,
and it's like starting to smell becauseit's like the food is just sitting
there and he's like wanting to dumpmore food and stuff. She was like

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she was describing, She's like,you know, the wings Houser, he's
just you know, he's just likethis ball of energy that just kind of
throws stuff, you know. Andshe's like, you just had to go
with it, you know, andyou imagine the vulnerability. It's like riding
a roller coaster naked. It's like, all right, Wings, we can
do this sex scene. I'm gonnabe naked. We're gonna be in the
sink, or in by the sink, in the in the kitchen, and

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then out of nowhere, Wings istaking two of his grubby fingers, you
know, God knows where they've beenplumping it into like the like just jam
that's on a kitchen window. SellI'm like, how long has that jam
been there? What? By theway, whose house are you filming in
that? There's all this jam aroundand milk out of the can, out

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of the fridge and the you're justCaptain kidmun just has to take it now.
Captain Kim Mount's lasting credit. Sheappears on screen to smile and her
way through it and laugh her waythrough it. I mean, give this
woman all the oscars. You're nottelling me that if Judy Dench naked and

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compromised with her breast pressed up againstwings, Houser would be all right with
him dumping a gallon of milk outonto her head, not playfully splashing it
over her breast, dumping the wholecarton mat out all over her head,
like that's sexy and not just theweirdest fucking thing you've ever seen two naked

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people do. Throw a gallon ofmilk. Then he gets this dirty hose
from the sink that looks like it'sbeen used to wash down a possum and
to get the oil off, andduck, you know what I mean,
like in those those adverts where they'relike, you know, weekly duck so

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that you could live or something.Anyway, this is all doing the sexy
and you go, okay, fine. Then towards the end of the scene,
she says, any minute now,and it's my thirty minutes to do
whatever I want. And I'm like, any minute now? Has this not
gone on long enough? Dear?Can't make it start? So anyway,

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then it cuts to what I thoughtwas another day, like a totally different
day, Like I thought it wasa totally different time of day and a
total different thing happening. You getthis whole backstory of how this girl ends
up at the theater, which seeminglytakes hours, but it's interspersed with repeated
sex scenes with Houser and Kinmon.You're just like, when when will it

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end? This sex is seemingly goneon for hours upon hours upon hours,
and it's right up until the pointwhen he Psycho kills the girl that Wings
was trying to save at the beginningof the movie. Psycho kills her in
the shower. Suddenly you have herbreasts montaged or juxtaposed with kin Mon's breast.

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Then you have her death juxtaposed withKinmund's orgasm. It is a comphony
of insane noise and imagery and unityand sleaziness and violence and Wings Houser going
down on kiin Mon. It's everything, And all you've got in your head
is jammy milk, right, Allyou have in your head is a puddle

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of pepid Jammy right. It's likeif you said to us, what do
you think PM doing? Silence?Of the lambs, like, what would
it look like? What would itbe? We wouldn't be We wouldn't have
told anybody this scene. But whenwe watch this scene, you go,

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yeah, that's PM doing silence ofthe lamps. That's that's that's exactly what
I think that I believe with KathleenKimmont. Before I reviewed this movie,
I only referred to her as thechick from Renegie That's right, because I
miss, you know, my twentiestw by sight in the early days,
thinking I'm funny with the terms likethat. When I did this review,
I said, I'm no longer referringto her as the chick for Mitigate.

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She is Kathleen Kidmont From here on, I should have the chick for Metigate,
right, the Good Girls do itwith cops from Halloween four right,
exactly. Yeah. I was like, I'm never called I never should have
been calling her at this speaking becauseshe she's earned her stripes here with this
movie, her stripes, her spots, her hexagonal eleven edges. I don't

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know, she's done all of thethings with this movie. So it's insane.
So then you have it's this weirdback and forth between two stories which
seems to be a trait of Houserfilms at this point. And in this
one story is this hard bitten policedetective who is trying to find this serial

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killer and who this incredibly attractive fifteenyears younger than him woman keeps showing up
at his door. They have alittle bogey and bacall patois because he can't
resist a little back and forth.Then it slides right into the sex games.
It's always sex games with these two. She wants handcuffs, he doesn't

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want to be handcuffed. Again,it's a back and forth banterfest between these
two people, and then they havesex and she sometimes she rides up on
a horse and Wings is in thesand drinking day drinking with a bunny rabbit
that we haven't seen any other timein the movie. But he's out on
the beach and he's got his petbunny rabbit with him. Did we know

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he had a pet bunny rabbit?No, do we even know that it's
his pet bunny rabbit. And thebunny rabbit didn't just bounce on down the
beach to be closer to Wings inhis overcoat day drinking on a deck chair.
I mean, why is this scenein the movie Don't Question It,
Matt with it well, and thenbecause it's Wings, right, he has

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it's like his like his commentary onWomen's Live where he talks about, like,
if women are gonna do this isI might as well just be gay.
I'm just gonna be gay for you. I can't handle, right.
He has such a problem packages that, like chauvinistic, all that whole thing.
He packages in that, Like Greghe said the day drinking on the
beach with the bunny and the fullyclothed and kid Nott coming in from the

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horse, and he's just like,if women are gonna be like this,
I'm just gonna go gay. That'sit. Like that's how it works,
right, any of that stuff.But it's Wings and you're just like,
oh, Wings, you know.It's just like it's like like we just
got to kick out of it,you know, seeing that, you know,
it's like, you know, it'sit's like when you it's like when
you're drunkn Cale says something at awedding, you just go shut up.
It's fine, just go with it, you know what I mean. Don't

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don't say anything. It's fine.It's mad. Uncle Harry or whatever just
gone off on one you just kindof accept it. That's kind of a
bit like wings in this movie,because you're like, I don't know if
he's saying this because he's genuinely thinksit, or whether he's saying it because
he thinks his character would think it, right, Like, sometimes I think
he's saying it because he thinks hischaracter would make his character seem more tough

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or whatever, you know what Imean. But yeah, so it's it's
interesting. It's also interesting because whilesome of this is clearly written down,
a lot of it is also veryimprovd and as again, they've all earned
their stripes where it comes to that, because it does hold together just about
just about it holds together in abit like Street Asylum, it just about

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holds together. It's sort of strungtogether with you know, hootspa and chewing
gum, you know what I mean, But it just about holds together because
the thing is is it It's anotherone of those situations where, Okay,
if this movie had come out andit was like Andrew Stevens as the detective
instead of Wingshauser, and you know, maybe shine and Tweed instead of Kathleen

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Kinmott and there is no food sexscene and you know, any of the
other stuff. It just would havebeen an erotic thriller amongst all erotic thrillers,
right, and he just would havepackaged it with you know, and
it might even be like a topten, top fifty or whatever. But
when it's Wings and it's Kathleen Kinmontlike trying to just sort of deal with

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Wings, and it's PM entertainment,I mean, you know, all that
stuff. To put it together withthe food sex scene and the beach scene
and the bunny rabbit that makes nosense and all that kind of stuff,
it takes this kind of pedestrian idea, right. You know. Snuff films
were big in you know, abig time for Yeah. Yeah, I
mean I remember Magnum p I didan episode where there was snuff films and

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that the guy were watching porn andthis woman showed up in Higgins didn't want
to offend her sensibility, so he'slike, the boys are watching gentleman's cinema.
And I just loved that that termfor porn. But I guess you
know, I'm not going to cinemafrom now on. Yeah. Yeah.
Some of my blog posts that referto it as Gentleman Cinoma just because of

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that, because of yeah Higgins callingat that. But you know, stuff
films have been in these movies forso long, you know, erotic thrillers
would use this whole concept, andinstead PM takes it, you know,
through Wings, right with helmed byWings. It does something so bonkers with
it that it ends up just beingthis thing of beauty that you know.

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I mean when I show this topeople who like these kinds of movies,
they're just like, I can't believethis movie exists and then it But at
the same time, it's like,how can it not exist? You know,
once you see it, like youcan't imagine a world without it.
Right, Well, it's because it'skind of like what happens if we slam
Basic Instinct, which again Basic Instinctfor all instant conversation about the sex scenes

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or whatever. Basic Instinct is afilm noir by any other name. It's
like, I think someone once describedit as a whole on the Streets of
San Francisco episode, but it's basicallya detective film, you know what I
mean, with a lot of beautityand lesbianish. When you slam that up

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against like a seven or you know, one of the or a Science of
Lambs, like that's kind of whatyou're talking about, and and it's it's
there were ones like the one thatCynthia Rothrock is in also with the the
but it's weird. It's like asophocore porn film that Cynthia Rothrock is in

(02:41:24):
where the woman is killing people aspart of her art or something like.
It's a gallery gallery thing. Ihave a few Rothrocks that I haven't seen.
Yeah, it's one of the fewof hers that I haven't seen.
Traces of red, No, that'sthat's no, traces red is blueshy.
Yeah, it's something like that though. It's something like that, like traces
of red or whatever, and it'sthe woman and then killing them for their

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art. Yeah, sort of likean erotic, a horny version of is
it Bucket of Blood? The DickMiller Roger Corman movie where he's making statues
out a dead body. That's theoriginal, yeah story, Fatal Passion,
I think is the movie right,yeah blood? I know, yeah Miller

(02:42:09):
movie that yeah, yeah, whichis the old story of you know,
I'm killing I killed people people likedthe art that I did with it,
so I kept going, it's thesame old A man falls in the vat
of chocolate and the chocolate with allthe dead body and suddenly starts selling,
and they're like, how do wesynthesize dead body flavor? And then when

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they can't, they start killing peopleand throwing them in the chocolate just so
they can make lots of money.Those kind of movies, whether it's art,
whether it's commerce, whether it's moviemaking, whatever, They've been around
a bit, as have film noirs, as have erotic thrillers, as have
this new wave. And I don'tknow if seven had come out yet,
but there was certainly like a newwave of detective films at the time.

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You slam all that together, yougive it a PM entertainment early nineties look
and feel, with the coloring ofthe and the film stock and just the
way it looks. You're throwing acouple of foot chases or car chases,
as you can not that either ofthese. I wouldn't describe either of these
as action films, but because theyare PM entertainment, there is you know,

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the occasional flipped car or gunshot orfoot chase or whatever. Because they
demanded, and as they should,Matt, as they should. They demand
someone to go through faint glass,a foot chase, a car chase,
you know, at every movement,which is why PM Entertainment is the greatest
production company of all time. Youknow, you put that through the lens,

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you get Michael J. Pollard,who you know. On the back
of the video it says Michael J. Pollard and wings Housard team up to
bring down a serial killer. AndI'm like, oh my god, They're
going to be on a bike andsidecar, Pollard holding onto his beret as
they bounce along the streets of LAand a motor bike and sidecar teaming up
to bring down vicious serial killers.Sadly, Paullard just sits in an office

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does fuck all, except except somehowwork out what is happening. Oh,
he must be killing them in thisand filming it. Why why is he
filming it? Well, we foundstage makeup on one of her boobs or
something. Stage makeup on a boobis the indication that he's filming. Oh
okay, oh he must be sixfoot one. Why was he to be

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six foot one? Well, becausewhen she was stabbed it with some downward
motion. And the guy you killed, Latin Charlie or whatever his name,
Latin Jerry. He was under sixfoot one, Like, how is he
figuring all this out? I haven'teven figured it all out. And I'm
watching the movie. And then you'vegot Zodd's right hand woman from Superman two

(02:44:48):
around the police. You know,Sarah Douglas, Sarah something, Sarah Douglas.
Yeah, who's Sarah ferguson to?I know who's that's the the old
that was Andrew's old wife, right, she was the Prince of York,
Prince of York. Yeah, yeah, and then she did weight loss commercials

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here in America. Yes, well, she needed the money because her husband
was a pedophile with Epstein on theisland, you know, the one that
we have multiple photographs of him andTrump hanging out, you know, the
one, the guy who totally didn'tkill himself in prison. All right,
So, and then, just tocover us legally in case anyone ever listens

(02:45:35):
to it, allegedly, all ofthat was allegedly. Everything that happened before
was allegedly, except the wings Housesstuff. That's all true. The wigs
Houses stuff is all true. Heis in a movie called The art of
dying, and he does have sexwith Kathy Kimmon and dubs an entire gallon
of milk on her. Also,who who cleaned that up? Who cleaned
up that tepid pool of sweat,milk and jams? I can imagine that's

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your job, dude, You wouldquit Hollywood. I love how this movie
is all about people who come outto Hollywood to have their dreams and then
it gets perverted and they all getend up getting killed or during potography.
But then someone's dream was to comeout to be in movies in Hollywood,
and they ended up sopping up Wing'shouse and milk come on down. You

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know who did it? You knowwho had to do it? I bet
it was Art Camacho because Art Camachodid everything in PM films. I bet
they were like, hey, aryou got you got time to clean?
Yeah? Hey, but yeah,I'll yeah exactly. I don't know if
there's a credit that Art Comacho didn'thave for PM Entertainment. So I feel

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like cleaning up the set, youknow. And I'm not saying it like
because he's like, you know,low rate, you know, I'm just
saying like, if you go throughArt Camacho's IMDb. You know, I
feel like he had every if hedidn't clean up the set for in that
situation, he did everything else forentertainment, right, you know, I
mean I'm sure he was. Hewas hanging boom bikes and you know,

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working security. I mean, Idon't think there was a thing he didn't
do for PM. So yeah,he's the one that I was. We
were we were talking about last nightbecause this uh uh, this movie and
the next one we're talking about isdirected by Wings, and we were talking
about last night, like Wings.You know, if Urt Camancho is PM

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Entertainment's like whipping boy who just doeswhatever he's told, go jump out that
window. His Wings gonna throw me. Yes, he likes throwing motherfuckers out
of window. Wings. Wings wasthe sam peckinpad John Houston, auteur of
PM Entertainment. He was the onethat was lying around in his office blitz

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drunk, firing a magnum into theceiling well Hunter S. Thompson did lines
of blow off his fucking naked ass, you know what I mean. And
then occasionally Wings would stagger, sweaty, blurry eyed, a mop of curly
hair, all pushed to one side. His denim jacket open stained with milky

(02:48:13):
jam. He would come crawling outinto the main office, assault the coffee
machine, go into Joseph Mery andRichard Peppin's office and demand wild things like
I need a giraffe for my nextmovie. I've gotta have a giraffe,
before falling over and being rushed tohospital, saved, and then brought back

(02:48:37):
to the office where he's been sleepingon the couch. Despite owning a lovely
house in SAtma, he's drunk onhis hat on an office in people.
That's I gotta see him like wieldinghandguns and maybe he set firest to his
garbage can with a cigar or somethinglike. That's how I like to see

(02:48:58):
Wings in the PMO offices, youknow what I mean, just some wild
man Sam Peckinpats. Yeah. Ialways have this feeling of like early PM,
like that kind of late eighties earlynineties PM where it was like,
Okay, Lawrence Hilton, Jacobs,Lorenzo Lamas or Wingshauser, you all can

(02:49:18):
just do whatever you want. Andbecause we're so new, and then it's
like after a certain stage they're like, Okay, we don't necessarily need to
let these guys do whatever they want. We're gonna start, you know,
we'll make movies with Tracy Lawd's,with Gary Daniels, you know, Donal
the Dragon, Wilson and all stuff. But those early stages, it feels
like those three in particular, we'rejust able to just make whatever movie.
And of course Lorenzo Lamas is like, well, I'm gonna make these kind

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of Rocky esque kind of things aboutthese kinds, you know, these down
and there like fighter guys who youknow whatever. Lawrence Hilton Jacobs's like,
well, I want to make thekind of police procedurals that you know you
wouldn't have, you know, anAfrican American lead be in. But I
want to have those. I wantto do those movies. And wings Hauser
is like, I want to makeArt of and I want to make Living
to Die. I want to maken Potation or I was texting Matt back

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and forth last night. I don'tknow whether it was enjoying it or hating
him, but no, it wasgreat. When I get under tear,
I like to I like to texteither MO or Matt, just a long
stream of mad non secretary jokes anduh. Last night I was texting Matt
constantly about Wings housing various different things, and I came up with the phrase

(02:50:24):
his movies on noir's ploitation or sleazynoir or saxophone noir if you prefer that,
but all of those, that's whatlast movies have in common. Yeah,
I mean it is. It's likeWings. It's like just imagining Wings
with kind of the slack jar slightlyopening shot, you know, just like

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I mean again, it's like Wings. Like you said, the Bogey and
Bacall kind of thing. It's likeWings watching like Key Largo or something that
you know was was Bogey and Bocalland being like, what if they didn't
have to deal with like you know, the rating system and all that kind
of stuff, you know, likeI don't have to do if I'm making
a movie directly for HBO. Whatwould they have done? Oh? Maybe

(02:51:07):
Bogie would have dumped a whole cartand of milk. And I guess back
then it would have been like theglass bottle of milk, right, the
threat the old timing bottle. Canyou imagine Lauren cle being okay with that?
I think Lauren Vicicle would have stoodup broken the bottle over his cot
and walked out of the fucking building. I don't think she would have put
up with it for a minute one, But Kathleen Kinmont a true professional.

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So the art of dying is it'sit's wings houses, Gunnica, It's it's
it's wings houses, Rhapsody in Blue, it's wings houses, like you know,
the Blue Danube. It's it's justit's it's no na'sploitation to the power

(02:51:54):
of wings. It's it's all ofhis random whims and human and desires all
rolled into one. It ends,by the way, the greatest way like
it ends. How many action movieshave we seen where the beat up hero
is hugging the saved girl, youknow, with a blanket round a kind

(02:52:16):
of like the end of die Hardor whatever, and there's an ambulance and
we're seeing people clean up the sceneand whatever, and they're talking about their
future together and whatever. We've seenthis scene a million times, but we
haven't, to quote Joe Bob Briggs, have we seen it with a butt
ass naked roller skater with a purplethong wedged up? Is butt going through

(02:52:39):
the scene at the end of it? I think not. And that's what
we have here we have wings endingthis action movie like you would think an
action movie would end. He justgot to add that little wings to it.
He's just got to put a littlewings to it. And he's like,
it's la, I want to scenethat makes people go, do la
and just get me a butt assnaked guy wearing a thong pushed all the

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way up his crack roller blading throughmy scene? Why wings? I want
it and I want it now.Well, it's like like I said,
I think I commented on your yourInstagram post and it was like it it
takes a lot of cheek, bothfiguratively and literally. Yes, to put
a scene like that in your movie. It does mean, but it's you
know, people talk a lot aboutScorsese, Coppola, Christopher Nolan. Well,

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let's get more recent, Christopher Nolan, Dennis oh So, Deny Village.
They talk a lot about these people, Matt Greta going, They talk
a lot about these people. Anyof these people. Matt ever had the
solid gold, highly polished khonies toput a butt ass roller blading guy with

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a purple thong on in your sceneat the end of the movie while you're
suggesting you move in with your girlfriend. It's so's th like we wing though,
right, like if Christopher Nolan didit right, if Christopher Nolan did
it at the end of a Batmanmovie or something. Oppenheim, can you
imagine up and hid just right right, like Robert Downey Junior is trying to

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win his oscar, right, andhe's like playing his part to that,
you know, And all of asudden this guy comes roller I guess it
would be roller skating for Oppenheimer,and he's like roller skating with the roller
skates and go like the key Iguess or something right, and he's got
like this this underwear, this pinkunderwear up his butt crack skating by people
would look at that and they wouldbe like, I'm supposed to like that
because it's Christopher Nolan. But Idon't know if I do like that,

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you know, But but I feellike I have to like it, and
then it's gonna be like a hashtagon Twitter about like the pink butt crack
guy, you know, pink buttcrack. You know, justice for pink
butt crack guy. You know,are you buddy shaming purple thong roller skating
guy. We're not gonna buddy shamehim. He's allowed to have whatever buddy
he wants. Lizzo does a comebackvideo in which she rollerskates wearing a purple

(02:54:58):
tongue to tell everyone that it's okay. Yeah yeah, like one of those
careers. Pop stars writes a song. Pop band writes a song called purple
Song that is literally just Korean popout, just going purple tongue, purple
song, over and over again withlike a backbeat. People go by.

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It sells in the billions. Man, yeah, oh, kids, kids
just love it. They just thinkit's the greatest thing ever. And then
you show them this, right,you show them wings houses, and they're
like, well, what's the pointof this. I don't like this.
I don't get this. You know, it's like stupid, right, But
I will take the Pepsi challenge withthis scene to end his movie with any

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of those names you've listed there withtheir movie endings. In fact, these
two films have two of the greatestendings in cinema I've ever seen, because
how many times, like how manytimes have you watched an action movie,
probably about the fourth or fifth timeyou've watched it, that you and your
pals sitting around and just start going, oh, imagine if and you just

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start playing that game and riffing onthe movie like we do with the Blueshi
films. We go like that onetime where we were like, oh,
wouldn't it be funny if he hitthe dog? And then he hit the
dog and we're like, we can'tbelieve he actually hit the dog, Like
what the fuck? Like that kindof thing, like it's fun to play
the what if game? Right youme saying what if you ended Die Hard?

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You know, And just as he'sshot, just as Al has shot
the big german guy and they're allcoming down to the plaza, right in
the foreground, a guy just rollby, just a naked hippie just rolling
blading by. You would be like, I'm sorry what it would change Die

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Hard? It would change Die Hardfor you forever. Because you would watch
it with people who never seen themovie. You'd be like, you think
this is fucked up? Wait tillthe last minute, dude. If you
think the two FBI guys both beingcalled Johnson blowing up at a helicopter is
the weirdest thing you're gonna see thismovie? Oh you just wait till the
end. Right, Well, forno apparent reason. At the end of

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Die had there's a roller skating nakedhit me. Well, well, at
the end of this there is thatmovie. How's it good to that moment?
That's gonna say. It would changethe argument about whether whether or not
Die Hard as a Christmas movie,because people who say it's not a Christmas
movie would be like, no Christmasmovie can have a guy roller skating with
his underwerepist butt cracked like that,Like that's just you know, that's not

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a Christmas movie thing, right,It would give them more more fodder for
that. But you're right, likeit was with Art of Dying. It's
almost like if he hadn't ended themovie that way, we would have looked
at the movie and been like,you know, if it was just him
and kind Mott, you know,talking and of course, like Kim out
of course, is not in anyway traumatized by what she goes through,

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which she's you know, tied toa stake and you know almost burns a
lot, you know, burned alive. You know, she's kind of okay
afterwards and they're talking, and ifthey just kind of rolled credits and faded
away without the roller skating guy,it were almost about anti climactic now in
the movie, like he had todo one more thing, and and and

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it's his last flourish of the pen, you know what I mean, it's
his last baton. You know.People talk a lot about Maestro and fucking
Bradley Cooper doing his conducting. He'sgot nothing nothing, yeah, uh ending
his movie on buck crack guy,rollerblading butt crack guy. Everyone talks about

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the Snoopy scene in Maestro, Ohwhen they're talking and they're arguing in the
in the bedroom and Snoopy goes bythe window in the Macy's Day parade and
all the fucking metaphor of that.No, it's not a patch un roller
skating, but they get hippy putthe song guy It's just not its wings
gives us one last push over theedge of sanity, and I fucking love

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him for that. It's phenomenal theend of Out of Die so again,
whether you watch it first or second, it's a fun, fun, weird,
non exploitation chainsaw to the gut,nude girl stabbed in shower type milk
jam sex scene movie all wrapped upin a bow of wings madness, and

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I love it. It's a goodfour out of five for me. Yeah,
I'm in the same, But thisone is not my top ten PM
the way the next one we're goingto talk about is. But it's definitely
my top twenty. It's definitely likeyou know, that second ten at eleven
to twenty range. And I thinkagain, a lot of people who rank
the PM films they go almost strictlyaction, which I get. I mean,

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PM probably has a good twenty actionfilms that if you were just going
to go action, you probably couldmake a list of twenty great actioners of
theirs. But I think this moviebelongs with those those great action films because
it it is it is as muchuniquely PM as it's uniquely wings And again,

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Kathleen Kim out of The Trooper,you know, earns her stripes here
as well. Oh yeah, completelyso Andy luhnn. It's a it's a
it's a big it's a big maybefor me putting it in the I don't
know how many things go in thebucket. So if we're going to do
three double bills in the buckets,if you've got three double bills to get

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into wings Houser, then this goesin one. Living to Die and out
of Diye and go in. Ifyou just are doing like a five,
My five for me is probably MutantNightmare at Noon, Uh, Siege of
five based Gloria, dead Man Walking, and Living to Die. Those are

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probably my five. Yeah, Butif I can put six double bills in
the basket, then it's the doublebills we've talked about tonight, if that
makes sense, Andy La. Yeah. And in Vice Squad, it's like
Vice Squad's a tough one because onthe one hand, it's the performance is
fantastic, but the movie is darker, and so you know, it's that's

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a kind of a quick well likeVice Squad is like my number six.
But I would rather Andy Lund startoff with the fun side of wings and
the and and get his big wetwith a little playful wings and a little
jazz wings, and then build himup to fully psychotic exploitation grind house.

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You know, forty second street wings. Those are some next level Those are
some hot wings right there, Mattis what that is. You got to
start with the like the popular YouTubepodcast show. You got to start with
the mild and go up to thehot wings. And I have to say
that, yeah, definitely hot Wings. Yeah, I think, you know,

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I think my top five Wings don't. Yeah, Art of Dying it's
like on the cusp of that thatgroup. Yeah, that could easily be.
It's almost the second five. Yeah, it's almost like second five with
Art of Dying. But like yousaid, yeah, you know mutant I
think. But also yeah, Siegeof five Race Glorier. I mean,

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that's that's one that even though it'sa dark subject as well, he's so
good in it, and Brian ChencardSmith does a great job with it.
Yeah, I would say fire basedGlorier, that's your If you want a
a serious gateway into Wings before youget into the full exploitation stuff, then
Siege of five Bace Glorier is agreat place to start. Yeah. All

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these others we've met, they've allgot their tongue a little bit in their
cheek. And even though Brian hasan incredible sense of humors, does Wings,
SiGe of five Race Glory is notpredominantly a comedy. Yeah, and
I don't know that anybody does.It sounds like the cops are coming for
me, But I don't know ifanybody does tongue in chic as the way

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that Wings does it that just it? I don't This thing I love about
his version of tongue in cheek thatis just you know, and maybe it's
not for everyone, but it reallyworks, I think. And he's up
there like, although Sleezy Spader Springtimescams nicer, you could have a sleezy

(03:03:30):
wings Springtime very easily, or asleezy Wings Time is what you could have.
Because I mean in this next film, Living to Die, we'll move
on to that, he has asex scene in that film as well.
And even though he's not dumping milkand forcing jam up the nose of his

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costar, the fact that the wayit's filmed and just the way you see
like his hand touching an actress,and you know, because he's a director
and he's the star and she's anactress, you're suddenly abundantly aware of their
nudity. Rather than it sort ofbeing more playful and art of dying,

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you're suddenly just so And instead ofbeing like, for look, how attractive
this is that she's having to it, you're just kind of like, oh,
put a put a put a shirton, love, you know what
I mean. I suddenly feel likea protective grandmother you know what I mean.
Oh, you know, I havesome suit, put a shirt on,
you know what I mean. Don'tworry about it, love, come

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on here. I feel very protective, and I shouldn't feel protective during a
sex scene. So the sex scenein Living to Die is pretty awkward,
although I'd have to say that everyscene in Living to Die is awkward for
one reason or another. But it'sits combination of mad awkwardnesses that give it
its true jazz charm. Yeah,yeah, it's it. There's something about

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the noir like the way Wing doesnoir, and it's specifically in this movie.
It is really something to behold.And again, you know, I
think when when people look at mytop ten PM and I have this in
the top ten, you know,they're the ones that they expect to see.
Are there, Recoil, you know, skyscraper, you know what a

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T Force HOLOGRAMMTSE, those ones arethere, and then they see Living to
Die and they're like, oh,what's that? What's that doing there?
But I will defend this movie asone as one of my favorite PM flicks.
Just I can't the rewatchability in particular, even even with the nowark,
because noir usually doesn't have the rewatchabilitybecause you know it's gonna happen, you

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know, the twists and everything.But this is one that I can watch
multiple times and just you know,well, this does this out does Taxi
Driver like it out does Taxi Driver. And it's grittyness and it's CD Streets
of Vegas in this case, butalso in its ending. And we will

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at the very end of the podcasttalk about the ending, but its ending
is just I've never I mean,we'll get there. But the plot basically
is Wingshauser was a police detective.Then the credits of the movie happen and
he's no longer a police detector.It's not really explained why. Suddainly,

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he's the best friend of a whatlooks to be a fairly low level,
greasy cardigan wearing gangster but apparently turnsout to be like the biggest of all
the bads. But he's sort oflike childhood friends with him or whatever,
and you know, they he justhangs out and he helped him out a
little bit when he was a cop, and now he's not a copy.

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He's a private detective. He's sortof a low level bag man for this
guy just sort of scoping people outand you know, doing a bit of
reconnaissance and you know, seeing ifpeople are trustworthy and blah blah blah blah
blah, because this gangster is beingblackmailed by Arnold Vassily, which is another
confusing thing that happens. And itall stems from an apparent death of a

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prostitute in a CD motel, whichturns out not to be a death,
and then Wings falls in love withthe prostitute. They have exceedingly awkward secks,
and then three or four twists happen. The guy in the cardigan with
the slink back hair loses his shitover a salad and throws lettuce across the

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kitchen, and then it ends ina way that makes you go, I'm
sorry for her. What this movieis incredible? This movie is This movie
is not for the faint of her. It's for hardcore jazz fanatics. This

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movie contains every type of jazz,every type of jazz. Did you see
me describe the foot chase that isset to very like fast jazz, Like
it's it's set to that kind oflike scribbly wibbly jazz, and instead of

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making it seem like hectic and fastpaced. It just made it sound like,
you know how Benny Hill all hisrunning around is scored to like which
is Jackie Sacks, right, JakieSacks. This was like a discordant Benny
Hill. It was like the TomWaits minor chord version of Benny Hill played

(03:08:45):
on like jazz instruments entirely too fast. So they were running up this fire
escape you had, like and I'mlike, it's like mad Benny Hill.
Because the PM music, the musicand PM movies, it's always a fascinating
I mean, I mean we weretalking about was it Live with Live Free

(03:09:07):
or dial Home of the was andJeff speakman, Yeah, such a good
movie soundtrack ruins it ruins it.It's so I don't know who they were
getting to do music, but it'sfunny with wings. But you're right,

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it's like it's like somebody took likethe Weather Channel like back music and like
for the chase scenes, they justtook the same songs and just sped them
up, and so it's like soit's like, you know, suddenly like
it's like if you were like watchingthe Weather Channel on fast forward, right,
and it's like that's that's what theydo with the chase scenes, and
then when it's like the sex scenes, it's just the regular It's like sac

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we channel just fucking grinding saxophone,dirty filthy, looped up saxophone. The
motorbike riding scene, only grown mencry on motorbikes, which is a movie
on to itself, grown men onlycrowing motorbikes. Because the wings the wings

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houses story coming to hbiod as fall, You've got this guy riding along,
and over the top of it,there's now crooning jazz. You've got female
crooning jazz. Because this is Vegas, We've got to have a little bit
of crooning jazz in there, sayinglines like let me slip into your bubble.

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I mean, I don't even knowwhat that means, Matt or what
bubble she's talking about, but Iwant her as far away from my bubble
as is humanly possible. Everyone deserveslove. Wasn't that what the fucking lyric
of the song was, lovey love, Everyone deserves it? And at one
point she literally went like screw BillyWoo, and I'm like, what is

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that? All the time, Howseris just riding his bike through the warm
knights of Vegas, right, Andwhat is Billy Bob's and why are they
hosting interpretive dance sessions on a Wednesdaynight? I mean that kind of stuff

(03:11:24):
that like, you know, youthink you think of Wings as like this
like meat and potatoes, like hardrock or maybe country hard you know that
kind of thing, Like that's whatWings would be doing in a movie.
And he'd have like a woman who'slike, you know, like jeans and
like denim jack your leather jacket,like singing about like something like like some
kind of like Sheena not not SheenEaston, like like Pat Benattar kind of

(03:11:48):
thing like that's what you think whatWings would do. And it's almost like
Wings says, this is what peoplewould think I would do, But I'm
going to get the interpretive dance atthe country you know, the country bar,
the yop or whatever place. Yeah, Billy Billy Bubs. It was
just called Billy and it looked onthe outside like it was you know,

(03:12:09):
a family eatery or a you know, an Applebee's type thing, or a
country bunker or whatever one of thoseroadhouses roadside half type things, and then
suddenly inside it's an a gento,lighting drenched interpretive dance performance. There's a
lot of argento in this matt It'sa very gentle, heavy lighting scheme,

(03:12:33):
and it's almost like he's gone,well, if I'm not going to do
a black and white film noir,I'm going to do a fucking rainbow colored
you know, you know, skinnllcolored film noir, where every scene is
going to be an entirely different covercolor. I mean, the scene that
he has with the woman where theyhave the like quick fire forties Patua after

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the interpretive dance happened, is silhouettedentirely against bright blue light. It's a
beautiful scene. I mean, it'sbeautifully show. It's like Tony Scott would
be proud of it, you know. Yes, Well, and that conversation,
I mean he has conversations like thatwith everybody, Like you said,
like that forties film noir Patswar,where it's like you know, oh,

(03:13:16):
somebody's getting the bite on Minton,you know, and it's like he just
uses you know, expressions like that. Eddie Mitton's that is my favorite movie.
Yeah, It's it's like soap,but it's like it's like Wings is
just like I want to do it, you know, I want to I
want I want to be you know, and he and he goes for it,

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and again I think it's the thing. You know, we're going back
to dead Man walking, where likeif he doesn't sell it, you know,
like if he's just like playing thepart, or he's doing like a
send up, or he's you know, doing a tribute or whatever it's like,
or he's always wanted to do noWar, so he's just doing it,
it would sound stupid, it soundsit would sound lank, like it
wouldn't work, you kind of fallflat. But when it's wings and he's

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just one hundred and in there justgiving it everything, you know, just
like just he's very comfortable. It'san esthetic where he knows how to perform
because he's, yeah, he's makingthe film himself. It's cheaper if he's
in a lot of it. Mostfilm noirs are good for that kind of

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thing, because the detective is usuallytraveling a lot alone a lot, investigating
stuff a lot, and the peoplehe goes to interview are in one or
two scenes, you know what Imean. Like detective films, you don't
need huge casts because you just go, I need three suspects. He has
to interview. I filmed four separatescenes of them. I scatter it throughout

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the movie. Boom, there's mymovie. Like a film noir can be
propped up entirely on the lead detective. So Wings knows where he's at with
that. But it's also a nicecanvas on which for Wings to kind of
splash some of his more videosyncratic thingslike I think that that poker game which

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I joked as it came in withWings trying to recreate dogs playing poker.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was, like, shoot this angle so that
it looks like dogs playing poker.I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
he didn't think that in his headit looks that intentional, you know what
I mean, that he's trying togo for a certain aesthetic. Yeah.

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Well, and I was cut becausethis came out in nineteen ninety, so
I think that's around the time hewas on Roseanne. And you know,
if you go into to the seton Roseanne, they have like one of
those decorative plates of the dogs playingpoker or something like that, and you
could kind of see him like he'sdoing his scenes on Roseanne, and he
sees that and says, Oh,I'm shooting living to die. Let's you

(03:15:50):
know what I mean, Like itwould be Wings to do. To have
that, I would it would beAnd imagine if imagine if we could through
AI or VR or something by ourmere describing scenes that we could see it,
because I would love to see ascene where Wings is acting in Roseanne

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and out of the corner of theeye he clocks the dog thing and then
while the rest of Roseanne is goingon around him, the camera is just
zooming into him and zooming into thedogs and zooming into him and zooming into
the dogs, and it's doing thatthing that Tarantino uses, the boo boo
boo, you know that music thatTarantino uses, and all the kung fu

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stuff that he does. It's doingthat like man like flashing into his face,
flashing into the dogs. And thenhe goes like that and you see
his eyes get wide and a lightbulb goes off above his head, and
then John Goodman is nudging him,being like, you know, don't you
think so, neighbor or whatever,and he's like snapped back into the scene

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on Roseanne. Do you know whatI mean? The moment that wings had
that thought. I would love tojust be able to have that scene in
a movie like to do It wouldbe great if to do like a biopic
of someone without them knowing about itat all, and then suddenly a movie
just comes out and it's basically thewings Houser you and I think exists.

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We haven't read or looked up intoanything about wings Housing really, we've just
made it all up. But howmuch fun would that be? I mean
you could we could do that withso many of his movies, like come
up with these ideas of like whathe you know, where he comes up
with some of these things. Yeah, it would be because yeah, I
mean you could see like after it, right, he's backstage after shooting his

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season was in and he just callsup Joseph Mary or Richard Pepper and he's
like, this is what the seedhas to be and living to die and
they're like, okay, you knowwhen we're gonna see you in Vegas,
I'll be up there, you know. Now you know, I don't know,
but to take a helicopter up there, so I don't know, you
know, he would fly because hedoesn't like to fly, but he would
take a he was a horse orsomething, which is the one where he's

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like, it's Living to Die wherehe's like, I live up in the
mountains, and apparently the mountains ofVegas look like fucking Montana, and I
don't really like fucking Alaska. He'slike, Oh, We've just got up
to the mountains in Vegas. I'mlike, the mountains in Vegas are not
that high. They're not high enoughthat they would be completely snow covered,

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while Vegas was a Barbie seventy eightdegrees and good enough to be motorcycling around,
you know, without so much asa sweater on, you know,
So don't tell me that you liveup the mountains. But anyway, he
lives up the snowy mountains right inLiving to Die, because that's where they
have their incredibly awkward sex scene inlike this sort of a frame cabin.
The dinner don't even look that exotic, but it's all it's the heart of

(03:18:50):
Wings's character in this movie, hisa frame cabin. I wonder if it
says where that where it was shot, because that would be interesting to know,
like, oh, okay, it'sgot filming locations, so of course
on IMDb when I'm trying to lookthat up. It starts popping up like
tell me what you thought of livingto die like and I want to you
know, no, actually just saysVegas. It doesn't say the mountains where

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it was. So they mentioned theNeon Museum right where that that you know
that scene where the m at onepoint. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's incredible, it's fantastic. It's one of the best movies.
Let's talk about the ending. I'lllet you know, wait, say whatever
you want to say, but thenlet's talk about the ending. Man.
No, No, I mean,I'm I'm I'm with you on how great

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this one is. So yeah,I'm I'm uh yeah. I mean.
The one thing with that poker scenetoo, is you get like the cast
of characters that they're there, likethe big beefy guy with the Zach Morris
phone who was calling you know,that was amazing when you pull down that
early nineties cell phone, that wasincredible. Yeah, I mean that whole
I mean, those little touches inthose movies are just yeah, it just

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they just make them that much morefun. I just was looking back at
our messages from last night and whenI was imagining Wings when he was pitching
this to Richard Pep and Joseph Berry, getting gradually more drunk and belligerent and
just being like pig lights, Iwant pig lights and saxophones, and then

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just being like Wings, calm down, we'll get you a saxophone. I
want it now, like just tossingtables and paper and shit everywhere, you
know, like in h in theStreet Asylum where you know he's being filmed,
like they're being filmed. These copswho are having plants are being filmed.

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And sometimes you see like Wings Houserlike being filmed by something and he's
just he's just destroying the kitchen orwhatever. He's just like flipping tables over
and throwing stuff around it like that. He has a similar scene in Art
of Dying when he goes to thesex dungeon where she was held up and

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he just starts like trashing the sexdungeon. There's nothing funnier than like King
Kong Wings houses just like angurately smashingfurniture like a oh, it's wonderful.
It's so cathartic because nobody does itlike it. It's you know, you
think of like really big actors likeyou know John Matchazech or you know who

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was in One Man four, Soyou know some of those really big guys
doing it. It's like it kindof makes sense. Wings is big,
but he's not like you know,six foot seven or something big, you
know, and he's not like,you know, three hundred pound or anything.
He's just like a big, solidguy. But it is still like
the way he does it. Hebrings like this sort of a plum.
Is that the word I want tosure to those destroying things scenes like he's

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nobody throws stuff around like he does. Right, No, No, it's
like if you threw a and Idon't mean this disparagingly or and I'm not
body shame Wings, how's are Matt? I'm not man, I'm not body
shaming anyone. But from behind himtossing around the flimsy tape looks a bit
like and enraged a rang attag throwingaround furniture in a cage is what it

(03:22:13):
looked like, Matt. You know, like, I don't want this fucking
ball anymore. You know, theyjust throw shit about. If you've ever
seen it enraged a rag attag,it's a it's a sign to behold and
the back of Wings Houser throwing arounda flimsy table reminded me of that I
can't deny it, Matt, especiallyif he's got like a coat, who

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was wearing a sport jacket or coator something, and it's like kind of
rising up back. And his jeansare always a size too small in these
movies, like his panthers geans arealways a sized So it's like he's got
his buttocks kind of out, youknow, and it's like the arms are
up and this this coat is likemoving up slightly. It's like a little
you know. Yeah, it's it'sthe whole thing is a trip. Yeah.

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And the hair, of course,it's like, you know, the
hair is just insane. Uh.But no, So this Living to Die,
I mean, it just has layersupon layers upon layers. This movie.
It's I mean, essentially, it'sthe unraveling and comeuppance of a somewhat

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gullible private eye and his increasingly erraticgangster friend who may or may not be
killing everyone in his path and blamingit on Wings. And so what's hilarious
about the end is that you realize, like Wings is a real idiot,

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meaning in that scene where the guyis like throwing shit around and he's saying,
like, nobody gets the fucking jumpon any fucking mittens and he starts
throwing letters around anybody else would haveleft hours ago. Come funk this guy.

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This guy is fucking I don't carewhat he's out of fucking fucking And
twice on Sundays, Wings hangs around, does work for him, continues to
work for him, knows that hedoes try to get the jump on him,
knows that he knows he's tried toget the jump on him, and
yet is not surprised at all whenhe is shot in the chest on his

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motorbike, wipes out, beefs iton the concrete. Wings is down for
the count, and you are like, wait, what did they just kill
the anti hero of this movie?Like just flat out fucking easy rider this
shit? Did they just do that? I think they did Matt. And
then, as if that wasn't insultenough, we then have the weirdest forty

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five seconds of celluloid ever ever,the weird I don't care you've seen Las
von Trier movies, you've seen fuckingCaligula, whatever, you've seen, fucking
I don't know. Jess Franco Films, I don't care. You've seen some
weird shit in your life, right, You've seen sort of that weird dark
Japanese quasi tentacle pawn or whatever.You've seen some shit, Matt, I

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know you have, and yet thelast forty five seconds of this movie are
the bleakest, weirdest. So we'rejust gonna I'm gonna explain the chain of
events. Wingshauser, the guy whowas sadly saddled with as our anti hero
despite suspecting him being fucking idiotic thathe didn't realize his gangster friend was off
the chain anyway. He beefs iton his motorbike, dies flat out boom.

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He is ground Hamburger on the asphalt. He has done and out for
the count. It then cuts tothe woman that we have finally invested this
will they won't they? I'm married, but I want to bed you relation
that they've had throughout the movie,which results in the most skeasiest, awkward,

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unpleasant, painfully forced sexy that isnot enjoyable for anybody, either the
people involved in it or the peoplewatching it. I've only ever seen one
more awkward sex scene, and it'sthe sex scene in Don Dolar's Night Beast
between Tom Griffith the actor and Don'saunt's hairdresser. So the actors in the

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scene who had no idea that shewas going to do a nude scene was
Don Dola's aunt's hairdresser. Don Dola, the independent filmmaker in Baltimore's hairdresser,
his aunt's hairdresser. She was justin the film just to play a female
car. Tom Griffith the actor,who's incredible. We love Tom Griffith.
He's got a per male perm aswell, with a big mustaches, kind

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of like Reynolds meets wings Houser ina beautiful kind of cacophony of Madison.
So he's like, we should.He's a producer on the film as well,
and he's like, you know,we should get a little more nudity
in the movie. And Don wasnever happy or comfortable NUDEI he was like,
now we're finding He's like, I'lltalk it to her. So Tom

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Griffith talks to Don's aunt's hairdresser andsays, god, you'll do her like
a topless scene. And she said, sure, no matter, I don't
mind. I'm just his aunt's hairdresser. That won't be awkward at all.
Sure, I'll get so Don hasthis cameraman go in the bedroom and film
them doing the most awkward, stilted, ugly bodied farmer's tan pigeon bodied,

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kind of ugly, lumpy sex scenethat you've ever seen your entire life,
where you kind of go, it'ssort of genius because you kind of go,
there's a mentality that says, well, if we put boobs in it,
we'll sell more copies. So we'vegot to put boobs in it,
not realizing that bad boobs are almostworse than no boobs. And I don't

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mean bad boobs as in that allboobs aren't beautiful. Before women come at
me, Look, all boobs arebeautiful. Women, small, big,
medium sized, nonexistent, fucking ginormous, They're all beautiful. No one is
saying that all boobs are beautiful.I'm just saying stilted, awkward, no
chemistry sex scenes are worse than elongated, overblown operatic sex scenes almost, and

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Wings in these two movies has succeededin creating both. He has done the
overblown, ridiculous operatic sex scene,and he has done the stilted, awkward.
What the hell is this end ofDay's doom leidenx that I want?

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It was when he very slowly ranboth his hands underneath her breasts in the
in the least erotic way possible.It's like, oh boy, oh boy,
that was painful. There's there's hislove scenes, at least in these
two movies. It's almost like heapproaches them the same way he approaches scenes

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where he has to trash a room. Right, He's is that what you're
saying? He approaches love scenes asa confused orang attack. Yes, yes,
even as streeta silent right, becausehe makes loves of the prostitute and
even that sex scene with her,even though that character is supposed to be
more manic. It is like wedidn't mention that. Yes, in Street

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Asylum, he goes berserk and hassex with a prostitute and she makes faces
as if to insinuate that wings House'spenis was you know, almost up into
her chest plate, because she makesa face as if to say, he
is just putting the biggest thing insideme that has ever been put inside me.
Without wanting to be too graphic,but I was, yeah, but

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yeah, it's almost like I mean, we could say whether it's a sex
scene, whether it's trashing room.He brings the same energy to everything.
It's always the deranged orangutang trashing aroom. Like that's almost like how he
approaches, Like how can I bea deranged orangutang trashing a room? When
I do a sex scene or whenI go into a bar and ask,

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you know, order a whiskey witha water back, or any of those
things, it all has that energy, even if it's not actually trashing a
room. It's the same kind oflike when Wings is there, it's just
a whole lot of just you know, stuff going on there, even if
it's bubbling below the surface, it'sthere. Yeah. So two more things

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about this movie. So we'll goback to the ending in a minute,
but I would be remiss if Ididn't mention when he goes to the nightclub.
Is this movie Art of Dying wherehe goes to the nightclub and it's
confronted by like two of the mostpathetic, weedy looking people you've ever seen
in your entire life, who somehowthreatened Wings, which I find completely bizarre
because he could eat them both forbreakfast and then at one point, he

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goes, uh, fuck you oldman or something like that, like this
kid wearing a fucking eighties like Madonnaleather hat and leather waistcoat combination, which
is just awful because like, fuckyou old man or whatever, and Wings
just snaps his neck and pierces hiseyes, like puts his eyes right on

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this kid, and he goes,oh, you want to fuck me?
Like that? And it's just theway he says it. It was so
out of I was so like,wait what, it was so glorious.
He was just like, right,you want to fuck me? And like
the way he said it, thatwas fucking amazing. I loved that.
But then this ending, so hebeefs it on the motorbike. Then girlfriend

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that we've invested all this awkward sexinto uh and and and you know,
hope that they're going to ride offinto the sunset together with all of her
screaming man George's money. So orEddie Mittens rather, so we cut to
her. She's with Eddie Mittens.She's got tears streaming down her face,

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black mascara running everywhere. Mitten's demandshe takes her top off. You're like,
oh, this is gonna be andthis was right up there. I
tell anyone else it's good. Thiswas right at the moment where I'm like,
Wings isn't really dead. That wasall a setup. Wings is going
to come back and save the day. So I'm still thinking that as this
takes place. So he's like,come on, darling, take your top

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off or whatever he says, andshe's like horrified, and she's just horrifying.
She thinks that Wings are dead andand she's been abused and she's crying.
I mean, this is terrifying,and she looks terrified. So she
starts to take the top off,and I'm like, oh, I don't
want to watch this. This isworse than the sex thing. And the
sex scene was bad and awkward.Now this is just unpleasant and bleak and

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whatever. So she takes the topof. Then he's like, yeah,
you take your skirt off, andI'm like, oh, come on,
no. So then she's like stoodthere, like crying and weeping and clunching
herself and trying to cover herself upwith her arms and stuff like that,
and then it just cuts back toGrease Greaserson sat in the chair fucking Eddie
Mittens. He just looks her upand down. He's got this fucking shock

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of black hair, greased back withaxe or grease or something, and fucking
chip fat, and he's wearing thisfucking cardigan and he just looks her up
and down with the worst look.He looks her up and down like fucking
James Spader on crack, Like it'sso gross and sleazy. The look he

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gives her just gives the worst look, and then he just goes nice.
And that's how the movie fucking ends. And I was sat there like I
swore wing'shouser was gonna come back,and you know, with like a metal
plate and is under his jacket orsomething, and he was like, you'll
never get me, and he beatshim to death or whatever, like I
swear that was gonna happen, Andthen it just ended with this bleak,

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abusive woman crying, naked, sleezoid, slick back, grease fat hair guy
being like nice. And then themovie ends and it's more jazz, you
know, It's like the Dad scimperdemdab dude. And I'm like, my
jaw Matt was like hanging somewhere aroundmy knees. I was like, what

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did I just watch I was,wait, it's one of those things too,
because I wanted him to. I'llgo like maybe like five or six
years between watches of this movie,and I'll forget the ending, right like
I'm watching it. I'm kind ofyou know, watching it and kind of
you know, and then when thatending comes, it's like, oh yeah.

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And like when I was telling youabout it, like before you watched
it, I was the guy,this is one of my favorites my time,
and then you mentioned the ending.I was like, that's right,
that ending, you know. Idon't know, I forget that it's there
because it's just it's not It's likeWINGS wanted to do like kind of like
I don't know, like maybe likethe Edward g. Robinson at the end
of Double Indemnity where Fred mcmurice's likedying and if you wanted something like that,

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But like this is like, likeyou said, this is like a
different level of dark. Well that'swhy I call it noir exploitation. That
scene was what convinced me that exploitationneeded to be somewhere in the description of
these movies, because they harkened backto both the noirs of the forties,

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where obviously women were often slapped aboutand shouted out or whatever, treated particularly
badly. And then the exploitation filmsof the sixties and seventies, where again
sort of women were either used orsex subjects. So you have to have
if you've got the noir, youhave to have this plolitation or the sleezy

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noir in the description of these movies, because understand that while you know these
are like fun you know, maybeyou like them ironically kind of movies.
I don't I like them genuinely,but you know, whatever, maybe they
are those kind of movies, andthey're sort of perem entertainment movies and they're
meant to be just pure entertainment andthey're wings housed and they're all fun and

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everything. You know, make nomistake there there are exploitation elements in all
of these movies, whether that's nudity, whether that's gore, or whether that's
both, you know, and andso that's why the exploitation has to be
in there, because there's that ending. I mean that ending is you know,

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it's it's like a scene out ofLast House on the Left, or
I spit on your grave or somethinglike not in terms of like graphic gore
or whatever. But in terms ofjust skivy like ooh, I need to
take a shower now kind of scenes, like just oh wings, he got
me kind of scenes, you know, right at the end there it's yeah,

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it's it's a staggering piece of work. If this, like you say,
if this was made by godhah orsomething, people would be talking about
this movie as a you know,Leo noir post classic commentary on the past,
you know, a deft hand betweenthe sleazy eighties and the you know,

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charming romantic forties. You know,people would be writing about this like
it was Christopher Nolan or Tarantino.And this is my other thing is like
this blows any Tarantino movie out thefucking water. There is more originality,
unique ideas, everything in these housingmovies than a Tarantino movie. But people

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will suck the carck of Tarantino fora decade. Like I commented, there
was there's a documentary called Q andeight or something, I don't know what.
It's called Q something, and it'sa Tantino documentary and it's two hours
of absolute like asslicking, cocksucking madnesswhere they even like they even frankly admit

(03:38:24):
that they all knew about Weinstein.I've also didn't do anything about it and
don't care about it, and I'mgonna I'm gonna be dregged down into talking
about it, unlike Kevin Smith,who donated every single penny he ever made
from any Weinstein Company movie to promoteand support female filmmakers, which no one
ever fucking talks about when they writeabout Kevin Smith, they always just fucking
knock him for being the stoner comedyguy. But he put his money where

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his fucking mouth was, and sohe gets to make whatever fucking yoga hos
a movie he wants to make.Make ten Yoga Ho's a Movie's, Kevin
Smith, because you've done something morevaluable than Tarantino will ever do to me,
to my way of thinking, Yeah, I agree, I agree,
and I agree, you know,you know, thinking about the two things,
right, I think, first off, you're I totally agree with you
about the Tarantino. I think theonly thing I can even think of that

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Tarantino has done that I would putabove these wings Houser movies is just the
stuff that he does. And JackieBrown with Pam Grier and Robert Forrester,
just that stuff the whole rest ofthe movie. I mean, I don't
I don't, you know, Idon't know how you get Robert DeNiro in
a movie and that's all you dowith him, you know, I don't
know, like that's you know,I mean, you know the video fucking

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Once upon a Time? Yeah,right right, yeah exactly, it's like,
yeah, I mean, how doyou waste those guys like that?
And so, you know the WingsHouse or movies, there's definitely like,
I don't know, there's something aboutWings the way he makes those. I
mean, like the Goadar point Ithink is a great one. Because if
if this movie had been made withGodard directing it, with like you know,

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Jean Paul Bellamondo as as Wing partand you know, Anna Anna Karina
as the woman you know, andand I don't know who you get for
the you know, but whatever,but that if that's the movie he made,
it would be a Criterion flick.It would be that fit right in
amongst his I would like it.I mean, I'm a huge goad Art

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fan. I would probably you know, but I think that the one thing
I guess I would say for myselfis that like, I love it when
Wings does it too, and soI'm like, okay, I you know,
I get it, but you're right, like you could have Godard could
have made this in nineteen sixty twoin Paris and it would be considered like
it would be on people's top tenlists. Right. It would be because
they think it would be filled withirony and satire and what when I adally

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think what? I The reason whyI thought this was chronologically came after the
Art of Dying is it felt moreaccomplished as a directorial thing. It felt
more accomplished. The Art of Dyingfelt a bit rushed. Whereas you would
assume, now that I know thatThe Arts of Dying was the last movie
he made for them, that thatwas the money one, I would assume

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that was the money one. ButI actually think Living to Die while it
while it doesn't require the action scenesor the ghost scenes of Art of Dying
so therefore may have been cheap inamic or whatever, it just looks like
a much more accomplished film to mein my head. I don't know why
it just does. To me,it is because I think this is a

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genre that Wings Houser is more comfortablein like the detective film, their like
he has a bet you know,the murder movie, the you know,
the kind of the I don't know, and I don't remember if it's erotic
thriller. Maybe he's even where youcould you could it verges into for Art
of Dying, Like that's something thatI think Wings. I think he did

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it. He made it, andit's a lot of fun. But I
think the the noir film that's wherehe I think he probably grew up loving
those movies, you know, theironic Thuller is kind of a new genre
at that time, and he wasprobably trying to figure out how to put
his wings stamp on it. WhereasI have a feeling with the film in
the War. He's always known thedirection he wanted to take a film no
War in and it was almost likePM gave him the opportunity. I wonder

(03:42:15):
if, even with the Art ofDying, if he wasn't meant to direct
it, and it was one ofthose things where it was like do you
want to direct it? We youknow, I'm you know. I think
because Pepin wrote it, mayor hewrote it Joseph Maher he wrote Art of
Dying. I wonder if he wrotesays that he wrote it. Houses says
that he wrote all the dialogue.Well, he says, because the way
we talk in the film, hesaid, you know, Mary's from Syria

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and old due respect to him,he wouldn't be writing that dialogue. He
says, that's all my dialogue.But he says, and he said,
you know, we also improvised alot on set and everything like that.
And he said, but I'm happyto give Mary the credit for it.
And I've never complained about it orsaid anything about it because he gave me

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the opportunity of a lifetime to makethe three movies I wanted to make.
So that's howses on to on onthat that screenwriting credit. So I think
Joseph, Mary and him etched outthe story together. I believe Mary was
very involved, but Howser wrote thefinal script. That makes sense. That
makes sense. So I wonder ifmaybe Mayor he had the idea and came

(03:43:22):
to Wings with it and said,hey, what do you think? And
he started to flesh out the dialogueand said, Okay, I'll direct this,
but I think I'm going to makeit as jazz as you possibly a
magine exact. I think Living toDie is like the thing that was probably
in his own brain for some Imean, somebody else wrote that one.

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Somebody else has writing credit for Livingto Die as well, so you know,
I wonder if it's a similar situation. But it's like, yeah,
it's even with the Bonker's ending toLiving to Die. It's just as a
movie, you wouldn't want that ending, like you don't expect that ending,
but even that ending kind of fitsthe tone of the whole film, kind

(03:44:03):
of the way that the ending ofOur Dying where you've got the guy with
the underwhere of his butt crack,you know, roller skating by, and
it's just like, okay, thismovie, so you know, this Living
to Die ending, it's yeah,we would have preferred him riding off into
the sunset with his with his womanand the guy maybe with a purple thung
on his butt. R Yeah,exact, we would have preferred that.

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But tonally, like it's consistent withthe movie. It is. This is
the bleak of the two movies.So, and that's what I'm talking about
with the double bill. You allthe other double bills we've constructed the slow
one, slower one, or theTalkia one or The Thinker one is the
first movie and the second movie isthe writ large Bombastic, you know whatever

(03:44:56):
type movie. You could watch thisdouble bill that way round and chronologically Living
to Die and then The Art ofDying in that order. You could totally
do that, and that would befine once you get the other way.
It's just such a unique experience,Like I almost want to encourage people to
watch it the other way, becauseyou end Art of Dying a little like

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gasping for breath. You can't quitebelieve what a joyous thing you've just been
through. You're like laughing and fuckinglike what the hell did I just watch?
And high five and everybody and grabbingmore drinks from the kitchen and whatever
it is, right, And thenyou sit down to watch Living to Die
and Wings takes you to school,you know what I mean? Wings just

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fucking he just shows you how itshould always be done. And I just
want to point out that scene,the blue lit scene where he has the
rapid patois with the woman smacking himaround the face and she fucking hits him.
She belts him like I've never seenIt was not a playful slap.

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She hid him and when he goes, oh, like he makes a noise,
that's a real noise. He didnot. I'm sure he went like,
hit me hard, lady. Soit looks good on camera, right,
and I think she probably went I'mgoing to fucking wallop you. I
cannot imagine he was happy with herafter that. And then and then he

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had that whole bit where he mimes, he acts as if there's someone there,
you know, just off camera,and he has like a whole monologue
to himself to that person, andthen he's like awi or something as he
walks away like it's yeah, it'sso Wings, Yeah, yeah, it's

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it is, And it is oneof those things. I think you're right,
Like, you know, people mightbe listening to them being like,
oh, these guys they're just youknow, they're they're being different for the
point of being different. If they'resaying Wings movies are better than Tarantino movies.
But there's an authenticity, especially tothese two directed movies of his issue
he made. Yeah, I don'tyou know. I mean, I think

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you know, pulp fiction Tarantino,when he makes pulp fiction, we neverbody
watches that. They're like, okay, I've never seen anything like this before.
If you can see my cap behindme, like I just like scratch.
But you know, there's an authenticity, there's a pulp fiction. We
see that and we think, okay, we've never seen anything like this.
You know, we're all younger,you know, while you know, fifteen
years old, fourteen years or whatever, and it just like blows our minds,

(03:47:39):
you know. But then it's likeyou start watching more Tarantino movies.
You know, he keeps making them, and he's making them like three hours
long, you know, three threeand a half hours, and he does
all kinds of interesting things, andyou know they're they have their own you
know thing. But there's something aboutwings coming in here. And but again
it's a go back to that authenticitything where it's almost like he's not saying

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like, Okay, they let medo cold Fire. I'm going to keep
doing something bigger with each one,and each one's gonna be you know that
his brain's gonna go into this placewhere he's just got to keep you know,
adding pages to the script and goingmore over the top. He's like,
okay, I did cold Fire,did the kind of the police procedural
one. Now I want to dothe newar film. Now I'm doing the

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erotic thriller, and I'm going togive them each my my spin on them.
It's going to be as much meas possible. And I think there's
an authenticity, like I've say that, like I think for people that watch
movies nowadays, that's the piece aboutmovies that I think when you find it
in a new movie, it's almostlyyou get a hold onto it, like

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grim Death, like I don't wantto let this go because we don't get
it as much anymore as we usedto. And I think that's the word
authenticity is so correct in the sense. And it's a hard thing to pin
down, right, because I've alwayssaid that someone like Tom Waite's comes across
as very authentic, even though everythinghe does is a costume and a mannerism

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right down to his voice and theclothes he wears and the things he sings
about or whatever. But there isa way that he does them that is
so staggeringly authentic. I buy it, right, Wings Wings is like Wings
has no option but be authentic.And I think that's sort of what I

(03:49:31):
was talking about back at the beginningof the episode. You know, I
don't know who wings Houser is,And I don't know any real stories about
him. As far as i'm away, he's a perfectly decent guy. Lots
of people showed up to be inhis documentary that's coming out soon called Working
Class Actors. So you know,as far as I know, he's a
decent cat, I assume he's adecent cat. But from the interviews that

(03:49:54):
I heard with him and watch withhim and stuff like that, he's his
authentic self. But at that timeperiod that he was in, you know,
while you might watch the Joe Bobthing or you listen to the Projection
Booth interview and think, oh,you know, that was a microaggression or
that was a you know, deliberatefeminist jab, or that was a was

(03:50:18):
that when he did an accent?Is he allowed to do an accent?
You know what I mean? Oris that racist or whatever? Like I'm
sure people, you know, fuckingcircles of perplexed Hessian bag wearing fucking enraged
teenage liberals might be. I don'tknow why that's how I picture them.
I don't know what I mean.I don't thinking''ll be wearing fucking blazers and

(03:50:41):
cravats and being like Mama said,it was a microaggression that one was called
short or whatever. You know,well, that someone said do you need
to help getting something from a topshelf? And because I'm a shorter person,
I took it as a microaggression.I assumed they would call you know
whatever. Those people they could befucking trust fund kids for all I know.

(03:51:05):
I don't know anyway, those peoplemight find Wings tough built to swallow
sometimes because he is, to yourpoint, authentic and cannot help being authentic.
And there was a time where youcould be authentic and you could be
free to speak how you wanted tospeak, and it wasn't controversial. Everyone
just knew that was who you were, and it was okay that that's who

(03:51:26):
you were because the world was filledup full of rich, diverse, odd
mad people. The madness has beentaken out of life because we now have
literal fear instead of the sort ofmildly ludicrous or pleasantly ridiculous. We now
have abject terror and insanity, andthey're just isn't a place for Wings there

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anymore, sadly, which is whyI'm glad I've got these tapes and DVDs
to go back to. It issuch a pleasure Matt, to have spoken
wings. How is it with youthis fine evening? We boy, have
we talked as well? Howser reallybrings out the the stories and the things
like the ending of like the endingof art of dying rather than living to

(03:52:15):
die. I don't think we couldpull off a living to die ending unless
unless I got really dark and starteddoing like as MR about abusing you or
something about it just being like,then I'm going to get a red out
poker. You know? If Istarted that? Is that a SMR when
they breathe in and it's all breathy? Is that what I? Yeah,
I just start talking about like doinghorrendous things to your body and stuff like

(03:52:37):
that. Just did just a verybreathy kind that we could probably end it
just have you quietly sobbing, justwe just hit quiet like little and then
and then the podcast fade out.That that would be the living to die
ending, right, that would bethe this went bleak real fucking quick.

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This took a left turn into fuckingmadness, exploitation and just seconding depravity.
Or we could end it, Matt, with one of us roller skating off
in a purple thong. I thinkI'm more happy with that analogy than the
previous one. Yeah, no,I agree. I agree. I think

(03:53:18):
while the ending to living to diefits living to die, the ending to
art of dying is the more funending. Right, It's the one we
all hope we get. We allget the end. He's living to die.
That's how we That's the truth,Matt, The cold host truth is
living to die, the fantasy ending. Because if I'm if the last thing

(03:53:41):
I know in this world is theembrace of my woman, and a guy
in a purple thong roller skates byme, but as naked with that song
weds right up his crack, doyou know, and then I kill over
from a heart attack. I wouldbe so fine with that. That would

(03:54:01):
be absolutely fine. If my endingwas roller skating widow that I would be
totally fine with that, and I'dbe happy to go out that way.
Living to die is had the wayI will go out. I'll be fit
on my motorbike while everyone around megets abused by my worst enemies. Oh,

(03:54:24):
video store guy, well, comeback in the last reel, Hollywood
video Guy, my nemesis shows up. It's he's the Checkhof's video store clerk.
He shows up in the last reeltwo. He'll abuse me or something

(03:54:45):
like that or whatever. He's thehe's the guy that I'm like, no,
not video store guy. And thenI die on a motorbike. Will
everyone I love gets abused and attackedby video store guy. That's how we're
going to wrap out this coh onthis podcast has made two loops back from
the past and the four hours agoto now. That's pretty good. That's

(03:55:07):
pretty good. That's some classic bowtightening. I also do think hospitals should
just hire a bunch of long hairedguys to just skate around the hospital with,
you know, so like when peopleare passing away, that's the last
thing they seek. That is sucha good sketch. You've got a hospital
and the woman comes in with likea folder and she's like, we've got

(03:55:31):
the folder for you, mister Johnson, and gives him the fold or whatever,
and he's just quietly flicking through andthere's like little classical music like that,
and and he goes, I don'tthink I want to clown. I
don't think I want to singer.And basically what you find out is it's
a folder full of things you canhave in your hospital room on the night

(03:55:54):
you die. And right at theend to picture of the roll skates and
the guy goes, what what's thisand she goes, oh, that's roll
skating Charlie. No one ever picksroller skating Charlie. And he goes,

(03:56:18):
no one ever picks him. Nonobody ever picks roller skate. Why would
you want him roller skating through yourhospital room? And he's like, well,
that's what I want, and that'sthat's I would be the guy who
would book roller skating Charlie to comethrough my hospital room if if everyone else
had already take You know, youcan get a marching band, a fleet
of clowns, like there's different.It's like a final meal, but it's

(03:56:39):
like a final performance. You getwigs Houser reading your sonnet, you know,
like there's choices. Martin Short willsing to you and do this,
you know whatever I mean. Idon't know with his hand, you know,
with ed Grimley thing. But no, he wanted roller skating Charlie,
and that's that's what he got.And I think that's beautiful. What's what's

(03:57:05):
this? Oh that's we'll skating Charliedoes he have to have his thumb.
Wed's that high up his butt crack. That's part of the chom that's why
he's high. Oh man, Iwish the end of my life is like
that, but chance is unfortunately.We all wish we could have that art

(03:57:31):
of dying ending. Yeah, it'sa great way to like wrap up you
know, you're you're like any kindof speech or thing, and may you
all have an art of dying ending. Like if I have to do a
commencement speech, you know, andmay you may you all get your art
of dying ending, you know,the whole speech would be about the art
of dying. It would be like, you know, this one man Wingshauser.

(03:57:52):
They thought he everybody said he wastoo crazy to make movies, but
yet he directed three films. Oneof those films was Art of Die.
It was about a serial kid.That's my you know, Like there's all
these kids like sitting there with theirhats on, waiting and they're like,
you know, just wanting to getout of there. I'm like going on
for like thirty minutes about a partof dying, you know, and you
all imagine that, like you know, the press dinner when someone gets up

(03:58:16):
and just insults the president or whateverfor like thirty minutes just correspondence Tenner and
Washington correspondence what they call it.Just imagine if, like I don't know,
Colbert or David Lenniman or whatever getsup and instead of insulting the President,
just explains the plot of the Artof Dying and then unveils an enormous

(03:58:37):
flag of Wings House that walks offthe stage and it just cuts to the
audience. They are just absolutely dumbfounded. And as he walks off, you
see the comedian high five Wings Houserwho's been in the Wings Wings has been
in the Wings the whole time watchingit, and he just gives him a

(03:59:00):
good old eighties Sonamo's fire high five, and it just pow. That's the
end of the movie, classical way. Yeah, I got the President of
the United States to listen to theplot of my movie, The Art of
Dying. That would be basic.Yeah. I need to be more successful

(03:59:26):
just so I can get invited toa commencement speech, so I can give
that speech about the Art of dyingto a bunch of kids or to a
press dinner or anything like that.Like I need to That's the thing.
That I need needs to get mefamous. That's the thing, that's the
reason I've got to seek out fameso I can have that one moment.
We have that one moment where I'msat somewhere watching my TV and then I

(03:59:50):
you know, crazy ex student nowfamous author Matt Perea got up today to
give the commencement speech at Blah BlahBlah College and went on for thirty five
minutes about the plot of The WingsHouse, a PM entertainment movie for the
early ninety one thirty one? Wasit really the very next year after the

(04:00:11):
Art of Dying? Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah wow, Yeah,
we produced that class like consecutively.Yeah, to produce that much greatness
in such a short amount of time. But yeah, he just explains the
Art of Dying to the audience.That would be just fucking phenomenal. Yeah,
that'd be great. Yeah, Matt, Matt renewed purpose. Yes,

(04:00:33):
that's what you need to do.That's what you need to do. It's
all about these movies. It's justso much fun. It's so but I
understand we genuinely love these movies andthat they are creative, inventive, thoughtful,
well shot, unique, Maverick,Gobbaldiegook Gorilla greatness. They're they're like

(04:00:58):
sleeves noir, brilliant. Yeah,it's wings. Houses are just having wings
Houser in a movie is great,but these ones he's directed, they're just
like another kind of level of funand interestingness. That's just Yeah, it's
you can have a lot of funwith them and still not enjoy them ironically
and still enjoy them, you know, And that's that's the key with these.

(04:01:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely.All right, man, Well,
as you can see, I'm yawningand it's one o'clock in the morning,
so I've got to go to bed. But thanks for this. Was this
was This was a lot of funas well. Yeah, we can see
the cat. He's ready to eattoo, so he's I'll probably feed him.
And all right, that's perfect,take it. We'll talk again soon.

(04:01:43):
I've gotta figure out what we donext. Absolutely sounds good. Just
Stuf and me and let the daypick in you. The sun shines down,

(04:02:11):
lights my heart with him, andthen I'm showing the jobady chilling the
sky pale back. We will rideall the ways. How love love the

(04:02:33):
clouds me with a fly it's allthe wise how to love Pollowise, how
will live? Pulling the to thefly fly powis housing you look at me

(04:03:05):
and I'm begins a don just likethat when the red sun is fell on
I praise and bad and baby,can't you see I'd be throwing on him.

(04:03:28):
They were coming with me and allthe ways heather a love looking above
the far fly in all the ways, heather a love, all the ways
sell you a love. Only thetube others to give the fly and hide,

(04:03:56):
fighting high and pol the wings houseof of love. Yeah, he
alonst me these man exclusively. Rightnow we haven't bred choice inceptromo licis.

(04:04:22):
We're falling like a stream running free, traveling. Louise hasor of Lord Allowing's
handler of love, open all thecloud only a way to fly Followise had

(04:04:46):
love Holloway's hallel love the shivers againstfl slide high the peon Louis towns winds

(04:05:11):
sound the room low and slide highthe pole, the wings houser roof no

(04:05:33):
waks hous you blue

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