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the Draft show, all the interaction we get on social
media and on the fan. We love doing what we do,
but I think it's time we talked some drafts. Will
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(02:11):
some draft with you.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
But team.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I mean, as we're a week out pick twenty four,
if we got to kick it around the horn, what's
the dream pick right now?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Today? I think you guys know who mine is. Who
is it? Graham Barton? That's fine, Gram Barton? Is it yours? Yeah,
let's go, let's go after It's the Grand Barton fan
club right here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I love Graham Barton. I mean it is a projection.
And we've talked about him a lot. Played left tackle
most recently. You go back to res freshman year, you
can watch him play some center, But I think it's
the attitude in which Graham Barton plays, with the nastiness.
He wants to finish you every single snap. I think
if you haven't seen him the tape, the one on
ones against your Adverse from Florida State sit out to me,

(02:52):
it's exactly the reasons I don't want him necessarily as
a starter at left tackle, because you see some of
the limitations again against an athletic disrupt edge like Verse,
but you also see a time where Verse will stunt
inside and you get a little taste of what it'll
be like for Graham Barton in a phone booth there
and he just puts Je Verse on his ass, and

(03:12):
I'm like, that's my dude, right there.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
He's done that a couple of times. He's so smart
with the way that he plays the game. That's the
thing is, he's got a high intelligence in the way
that he attacks defenders, and he does so against guys
like Verse, and he does so against anybody else. But
it's the versatility for me. With the way that Tyler
Smith is handled right now, left tackle the left guard
to left tackle the left guard, you don't necessarily know
exactly what you're doing. I think Graham Barton gives you

(03:35):
a for sure answer. You've got your left tackle of
the future. His name's Tyler Smith and he's already in
the building.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
We've talked a lot about Graham Barton being able to
come in and play center immediately.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, Well let's say he gets picked. Sure, what is
the potential he comes in. Hey, that's a really good
left guard you got right there, TJ. Basstbrock Hoffman. Those
are options you can still throw in at center left guard.
Graham Barton, I mean, with the trace that he has
and being able to play up against interior guys. You
say that he can handle, or those athletic guys, so
let's put them up against three texts, maybe even a
five tech that's trying to come inside. I think there's

(04:05):
also an option for grand Barton to play left guard.
I think for me that's probably why he would be
My dream pick is versatil.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, versatility.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
The pan over here, Grand Barton, guys on the bus
with us with.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Twenty four.

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Speaker 2 (04:28):
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Speaker 3 (04:29):
Aisha twenty four, Graham Barton or do you have somebody
else that's your dream pick?

Speaker 7 (04:33):
No, I'm okay with it.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
I think that somebody made a good point earlier today
on the show that even if he does come in,
if you were to bring in Graham Barton, is that
going to take away from how good he is with
communication as a center. And I think that you made
that point earlier, Nick, so that would be the only thing.
But we know what he's capable of. And then when
you look at the Cowboys, so many of the offensive
lines that they're playing a lot of the defensive lines

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that they're playing are strong.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
On the interior.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
So to get a guy in, I'm not afraid to rustle,
would be nice to pair, you know, right there next
to the whatever whatever center they decide to bring in.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So, okay, Bobby, I want to get your thoughts here
in just a second. But Brian, this is way too comfortable.
We're all agreeing.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Why why should GRANM Barton not be the pick of
twenty four because Jackson powers Johnson should be the pick.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
He's he always got to make a scene, man.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, But you know the thing, and I have nothing
against Graham Barton at all, And I think the thing
that when you look at the Dallas Cowboy was especially
with some of the issues that they dealt with in
the running game, I think point of attack blocking at
tight end was poor. I don't think Luke Schoonmaker did
enough for you there. I don't think the tight ends
as a hold it enough and your center was not
good enough at reaching wide techniques or getting second level blocks.

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Graham Barton can do those kinds of things. But I
think when you start to talk about power and what
you're playing with within this division. When the NFC East,
we're starting to see these larger, bigger, more athletic tackles,
and so I think you have to be able to
combat that. And you know, Graham Barton, I think can
rustle with anybody like we're talking about. I think that
just powers. Johnson has just a little bit more power

(06:05):
to him. Is the three hundred and twenty eight pound guy.
But you watch him, You watch him reach wide techniques,
you watch him play second level, you watch him pull,
you watch him like get two blocks on one play.
He'll take a down guy, bounce that guy and then
bounce to another guy. Yeah. I like the kid from Duke.
But to me, if you want to give me the
most powerful player at that position, I'm taking Powers Johnson

(06:29):
from Oregon.

Speaker 9 (06:29):
Okay, Bobby, Yeah. I mean look, it's funny. The four
names I think you see most consistently around the Cowboys,
just through mock drafts and everything else right now are Jackson,
Powers Johnson, Graham Barton, the two guys we talk about here,
and then Amarius Mems and Tyler Geyton. Amarusmims with the
tackle at Georgia, Guidon the tackle at Oklahoma. And this

(06:50):
is the function of picking at twenty four, is that
you're talking about there's a projection, there's a question, there's
something about all of them, no matter how much you
like them.

Speaker 10 (07:00):
If you like Memes, you like Geiton.

Speaker 9 (07:02):
You're talking about projecting somebody to left tackle that's been
primarily a right tackle. If you like Jackson powers Johnson,
you're gonna have to probably get comfortable with some things
about his health. If you're talking about Graham Barton, you're
talking about kicking him inside to a completely different position
than he's played since you know, his freshman year. And
so I lean towards when I say, what are the
Cowboys doing right now?

Speaker 10 (07:23):
Where are they at?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Are?

Speaker 9 (07:24):
You know, they are teams that are rebuilding. There are
other teams in the middle of contention. There are other
teams trying to, you know, get in while the window
is still open. And I think that the Cowboys being
in sort of a win now mode right now, it's
just what center are you most comfortable with, because I
think center minimizes the most risk of all of the
picks that they're potentially looking at at the offensive line,
because you do have Tyler Smith who can play tackle.

Speaker 10 (07:46):
You do have TJ. Bass who can play guard.

Speaker 9 (07:48):
If you commit to Tyler Smith at left guard, you know,
are you talking about potentially a center and a left
tackle that you got to go find.

Speaker 10 (07:55):
How comfortable are you with bra Kaufman. I think that TJ.

Speaker 9 (07:58):
Bass is probably more ready to go right now than
I would say Hoffman.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Sure, well, we've also gone to see him a little
bit more.

Speaker 9 (08:05):
Yeah, and so because of that, just where that function is,
then I think you got to say, Okay, the win
now move right now. That is for the betterment of
your team. Would be to me, whichever center you have
great at hire right now? I would probably lean Graham Barton.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Does anybody are you scared about? And maybe the apprehension
I would have about Memes. I think Mems is a
hell of a player. And I always get these guys
laugh at me because I'm the old guy when we
start to talk about ceilings and floors and all that.
I never talked about that in a war room, but
they talk about it today. But I was just wondering
with Memes and the lack of games that he's played.

(08:41):
You know, you could watch the Ohio State playoff game
and you get an idea of like, Okay, this guy
can block NFL type players, but is there any apprehension
about him playing a different position though, But with the
minimal number of games that he's played.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
You ever been to a wedding, you know you got
the loaf.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've been in a couple of them myself.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
You see these ceilings that are all the subject nick, Yeah,
I lost I lost my I lost in a wedding.

Speaker 11 (09:06):
I lost my first one because of the NFL. Okay, okay,
just what exact You walk into the venue. You see
these high, high ceilings with the chandelier, and you look,
You've tried to do this with me before.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
I would love to touch that chandelier, but yeah, I'm
gonna have to get there. That's that's chandelier all the
way up there. But also you are looking at your
feet and you realize how tall that shandel I've been
laying on the ground before weddings. Yeah, I understand that too.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
You got to.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Understand how far you got to get to get there.
And I think that that is what Amarus Mims is. Yes,
he has this crazy high ceiling, but also at the
same time, you don't really know completely the product that
you're getting for me whenever I'm looking at guys that
you don't have a lot of experience with and a
Marius Mims case only eight starts at Georgia. Yes, his
first start came in a game against Ohio State and
the playoffs in my finals back in twenty twenty three,

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and I really loved what he did in that game.
I think that was his best product that he put forth.
What I like to see whenever I'm looking at guys
that don't have a lot of experience is okay, what
did they show that they can that I know that
they can improve on at the next level. What have
they shown in that eight games that they've been able
to develop? Because you can at least get a trajectory
from that line, right, you look at game one, you
look at game eight. Okay, I didn't like what he

(10:11):
did here as far as his hand fighting was against
Ohio State in certain areas. Okay, here in game eight,
I see that kind of improving. Yes, there is still
ways for him to go, but I know that trajectory
is actually going. So with the Marius Mims, I love
the frame, I love the size. I think with a
guy like that, you bring him in the building, you
start to ask, Okay, what do you know from an
intelligent standpoint? What do you know from a blocking scheme standpoint?

(10:32):
Can you get to the second level? What does your
mobility look like? And I think you kind of round
that all up in your report, But I think that's
when the in house stuff becomes so important, because you
want to know the type of person you're getting to
if it means that you have to really develop that guy.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
This is where if I was in the war room
with Jerry Jones, being an older guy, I would try
and sell Flozel Adams here because the thing I always
learned about working with Jerry, you have to tell him
this player reminds me of this guy and you could
paint that picture for him. If you could do that,
then he'll have a better understanding of what he's potentially

(11:05):
dealing with. So if I was one of the older
scouts like Chris Hall guys that been with him, I
would say, hey, potentially this is your flos Oh Adams.
At six eight, three hundred and forty pounds. He has
a history and understanding of what flows Oh Adams was
like as a tackle for him in the nineties. How
do you feel about Amarus mems Asia.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
I mean, I kind of agree with Brian on this
and this, and I think it goes back to what
Bobby said about this being a year where you're looking
for this team to take a step forward, and you're
relying on the idea that this gentleman is going to
come in and be that starter that you're looking for.
With some of the development stuff and some of the
timing in which he's had experience or the lack of experience,

(11:45):
that would give me pause just because you really ain't
got time for your quarterback to be getting hit this year,
especially with the loss of Tyring. So for me, I'm
on the fence about it, but I do see the
potential there. It's just like, baby, I don't know if
we got time for potential right now.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well, and not to completely like turn the conversation back
to Graham Barton again, but that's please.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I know I would love for that.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
But the the the whole point about this tackle class
is that there's a lot of question marks outside of
those first couple names. Joe Walt no to Dame check,
Olufashan open State check, Tali essay Uaga from Oregon State.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, you sean thing you gotta s Yeah, I'm who
didn't like Patrick tir Tan coming out always Tave's boring.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You're that kind of game year.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
We'll circle back there.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I'm just saying, whenever you're talking.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
About these top tackle prospects, outside of those top three
or four names, you've got question marks around almost every
other tackle prospect.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Okay, they're either moving positions.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I know there's a move of a position for Graham Barton,
maybe not so much for Jackson Powers Johnson as well,
but it's a translatable thing to the NFL. That's different
than sticking a guy at left tackle in Like Aysha's
pointing out, you got to play immediately and you've got
to be good immediately to protect that quarterback.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
So we do we get we got a lot of
guys that we've seen most recently play on the rights,
and you might be projecting them over to the left.
Bobby out of the most realistic options, and I guess
we learned with Ceedee lambfalling to seventeen, maybe everything's a
realistic option. You don't know what's going to happen in
the draft, But who do you think are the short
list of Tackles that you would think the Cowboys would

(13:16):
go for there at twenty four.

Speaker 9 (13:18):
I and you mentioning the Lamb scenario there, So we're
just talking about who we think can like outside of
a Lamb scenario.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Outside of a Lamb scenario, and then maybe the one guy,
because I certainly have one that if we did get
a dream Lamb scenario, that I think would be a
home run selection.

Speaker 10 (13:32):
I think Tackles.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
It's names we've kicked around a lot recently on the
Draft show, Mems, Geiten, those two stand out right there,
and then to me, I think the other one that
we should be talking more about, and I think that
there's a building awareness of him among Cowboys fans within
the draft Muti is Kingsley Suamataiya from BYU.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, I'm glad that you brought him up. Was a
visit yesterday here, posted about it at the Star. I
think he's better than the other two guys, Geidon and Mims.
Would you agree or disagree?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Felt ready better? Right, He's He's higher on my stack
than both of those guys. Yeah, I could see it
with Geiton, I don't know if I'm there with Mims.
Mims has more.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Again, I should say potential right upside ceiling.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Is that chandelier right up there? But there's so many
question marks.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I think I know what I'm getting in Kingsley Suamati
three hundred and ninety one pass naps and allow a
single sack last year. You have seen him at both
and I think at first I was a little critical.
Does he open up his chest? Is he letting lineman
get inside of him there? When it comes to the footwork,
the athleticism, could he translate? Went back watching him a
little bit more because he is a name that I
think is starting to Hey, we need to know him here, Bobby.

(14:39):
I think the guy can do it, and I think
he's steady, and you know what he's getting. There's less
of a projection to your point, Yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (14:44):
I mean, look, you you kind of referenced it there
for all of the projection that we're talking about. Look,
Kingsley Suwamatia is still is a raw football player in
a lot of ways. But I think that, like you mentioned,
we have seen a full season of right tackle snaps.
We've seen most recently full season of left tackle snaps.
You know that he adjusted well to those sort of
things and this is look, this is where this this

(15:06):
Cowboys scouting staff is so critical and they do such
a good job.

Speaker 10 (15:10):
There was.

Speaker 9 (15:12):
So much hand ringing and disappointment and freaking out the
night they picked Tyler Smith for a lot of people,
and this was a staff that said, look, we've done
the investigative work to understand who this player is and
why he has the ability to progress forward and reach
this despite all these flaws that you may see, we're
comfortable with them doing this. So to me, I think
that Kingsley Suamati is some of those same sort of

(15:34):
issues that you see. It's a similar question with Tyler Smith,
where if they're comfortable with what kind of a worker
he is, how he takes the coaching things like that,
I think he'd be a great pick because I think
the upside really is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, in a shout out to the Cowboy Scouts, I mean,
if they draft Alignment in the first round, they know
what they're doing, so I'm not I mean, even if
they were to take a guy in at Oklahoma who
I'm not in love with and I think certainly has
to bet on like which one of those guys, I
don't think translates the best. I think Geiden's got a
little bit more work to be done, but you see
some traits there that you really like that I could

(16:08):
see an offensive line coach say, Okay, bring him in.
I can bold him and make him something good. What
was the offensive tackle that would slide to you that
would get you most excited.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
Bobby, I'm the guy that I would love to fall
down to them. That the guy that would be my dream,
and I just I don't see him getting own. There's
just Troy Fatano from Washington. That's a guy to me
that I think, no matter where you want to play him,
however you want to use Tyler Smith, I think Troy
Fatano can step in and be a above average NFL
tackle or guard right away. And I think he's somebody

(16:40):
who can be a Pro Bowl guard tackle in very
short order. And so whichever direction you want to play him,
if you can get him to slide down the border
a little bit too, if you get some of these
teams that like Fuagamore and fashion new guys like that,
then and you can push him down. It's not as
unrealistic to me heading into draft day as it felt
like Ceedee Lamb was and that happened.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Brian more realistic guy to slide. Is it Fuaga from
Oregon State or is it Fatana? You think from Washington Patano?
I think Fuaga. They've done a lot of a lot
of leg work on too.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
To me, he was putting one of those guys that
have kind of viewed as a possible trade up, you know,
I know there was all the early mock drafts had
him basically with the Jets at ten before you know,
they made the deal with for Tyron Smith. I don't
think that's going to keep the Jets from doing anything
like that. But to me, Fuaga is the one. I mean,

(17:29):
I got him second a second offensive tackle. On my board,
Alt would be number one. But you know, I think
it's really really interesting, uh when you when you start
to talk about uh uh Fatano and what he could
do and like, to me, there's a lot of just
wow blocks with him. There are you know when you
watch him, the power, the upper body strength. He had

(17:52):
a little trouble in the USC game, and you always
kind of look for the good competition with guys. You know,
they got a little bit maybe a little bit better
edge rushers and stuff like that was a little bit
of a battle for him. The waste spending stuff was
getting a little bit of a problem for him. But
for a man that size, when you talk about six four,
three hundred and seventeen pounds, the athletic ability has man.
If he could somehow get to you, boy, that would

(18:13):
be a big get for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
All right, let's do a little top three, because you
guys know I love my top ten lists, so I
want to go ahead and name I'll name my top
three three round selections. If the Cowboys came away with this,
I'm having a party on draft night.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
You guys can give me yours.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
If you like anything that I've done here, go ahead
and share that with me, and then we can go ahead,
maybe take some questions for those of you that want
to ask us anything here on draft one on one.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I appreciate you being here.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think you guys know obviously Graham Barton duke center
twenty four, I'd be thrilled with. I am willing to
take the risk at fifty six. Now I don't have
the medical report, right, I think, talk to me, Peyton
Wilson's the best linebacker in this draft.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
And instead of this in the wolf Pack or instead
of that in the Texas Longhorns.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I thought you were going Jonathan Brooks. No, no, I'm
not going Jonathan Brooks. And the reason is is I
think that there's a running back in the third round
that I could get that I like quite a bit
as well. And I think this one it's not that
one because I think Trayvinsky's going to be off the board,
but that's my RB one is Trey Benson. But I
think Peyton Wilson. I think linebacker is more likely. Maybe
a spot you've got to address in the second round,

(19:22):
because I think running back.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Stretches a little bit more to me in the third.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Now, I could see the Cowboys one hundred percent going
ahead and taking Jonathan Brooks out of Texas be a
good pick. He's my running back too. I wouldn't be
upset with it. But you need a linebacker. Peyton Wilson
the tape when you turn it on, he's faring away
the best in the draft. I don't think there's any
question mark when it comes to rushing the passer, tackling
in space, coverage ability. The questions are all the medical history.

(19:47):
And in the second round, I mean we are in
a building where they've taken some guys a medical history
because the talent's just too darn good to pass up.
This guy, though, has played two years of clean football,
and I'm hoping that maybe that's behind him.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
I just him.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I'd go ahead and say talent's too good to pass up.
Edgerrian Cooper would be my other name out of A
and M the linebacker there. I'd take them both ahead
of Junior Golson out of Michigan. But at three, it's
Jalen Wright, running back at A Tennessee. I love Jalen Wright,
the explosiveness. I think he's gonna be a three down back.
To me, he's fantastic, and I think he's probably one
of the more underrated running backs in the drafts. Listen

(20:21):
to Draft show, Bucky Irving, I know his Nicks guy.
You know I love Jalen Wright. Brian, I know you're
a fan as well.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah I am too. You know, if I had to
look at my perfect draft, I think Powers Johnson, the
center from Oregon, would be the guy that would take.
I really do like Wilson a lot from and I've
even I'm old enough to have scouted Luke Keigley when
he played when he came out of Boston College. I
think this kid has those kinds of traits. His ability

(20:47):
to play down hill, the ability to cover, the ability
to play sideline to sideline. The only thing holding him
back is this injury history, you know, and again that's something,
but I would absolutely love the opportunity to have him.
What you did with the I like what you did
with the running back though in the third round. Me
personally like Lloyd the running back from USC a little

(21:08):
bit better than right Alan Irbing. I think that there's
going to be some value there with those guys. So
to me, if you could, if you give me that
that that killer at the at the center, a linebacker
that will make every single tackle, and then a running
back with some elusiveness, ability to catch the football, make
people miss, kind of help your offensive line. So you

(21:29):
think you're doing yourself some good work there.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
We're going dream scenario here, dreams, Okay, dreams, sell me
on dreams. Well, my first round pick would be Troy Fatanu.
Then that that would be I think see Lamb situation
and here we go at twenty four. Yeah, it's it's unlikely,
but that would be the dream scenario. Second round, I'm
still going Jonathan Brooks. I I love what he did
in his one season. I love what he'd do with
his one season as a star with the Long Horns.

(21:52):
I mean, you talk about contact balance, you talk about
being able to fight through guys. He's still is elusive
out of the backfield as well as a receiving option.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
They understand the medical reports in this building with the
Cowboys team doctor performing the surgery on that ACL and
like you said, there is no hesitance in this building
when it comes to injury guys. So second round Jonathan Brooks,
and then third round you would have to address that
defensive tackle or linebacker position. For me, I'm going defensive tackle,
and I would like to go McKinley Jackson there in
the third round out of Texas A and m just
a wide body that you can put at one tech

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and be able to fill those running lanes. Look, Mazzie
Smith coming back next year. I don't think anyone really
understands what's going to happen there. He lost a lot
of weight towards the back end of the season last year.
He's dealing with a shoulder injury going into the year.
And as of right now, that's your only one tech.
I feel like that has to be addressed in the
first two days. Go ahead and get McKinley Jackson there
in the third and hope that he can come in

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and at least provide a wide body. If Mazzi is
not able to come onto the field or if he's
not what they expected.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
When did you go Jackson in the third? Because you
know that the one technique defensive tackles it's not deep
at all.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, it's not deep at all.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
And I feel like I can get a linebacker there
on day three where you can still have some really
good value. We talk about guys like Jordan McGee out
of Temple. That's an option that you could you could
possibly throw out at linebacker. I'm trying to think of
guys right off the top of my head. At Afonola
Fohio out of Washington. I think he's another guy that
you could you could get there on day three. So
I think there's a little bit wall out of Kentucky. Yeah,
I think he goes into the third, and I think

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that's probably the discussion you have.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Do you want to go ahead and jump on tray Love.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'm a big fan. I mean, if you don't take
linebacker on the second, I'm iin Wallas in the third.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, he brings a lot to the table.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
And you have to also understand, if you're picking there
at eighty seven and there's no trades involved, you're not
picking again until one seventy four late in the fifth round,
So you're you'all can sleep in on day three. There's
there's not gonna be a whole lot going on until
that pick one seventy four if there's not a trade mate.
So I want to make sure and I get a
position where I know there's a bigger need, and for me,
that's defensive tackle over line.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Okay, if there's no trades. Though, to me, where I
think Jackson from Texas A and M fits for you
is if you do back up, if you get that
extra Yeah, because you get that at high frigg. And
I know if you watched the draft show that we
did this morning, we went, we traded back and then
we traded back up. So if you want to go
back and kind of get an idea how the landscape
might be for that, we did that this morning. But Yeah,

(24:08):
to me, I think that Jackson is if you pick
up that extra pick, you know, but man, he is
a really good player for texting three hundred and twenty
six pound guy that plays on the other side of
the line of scrimmag.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah to me, I mean it's funny because you're talking
about him as a one tech and that's the guy
typically you think, like.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
What you drafted Mazie, Right, that's what kicking me in
the butt, right, But what excites me the most.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
About McKinley Jackson is actually his disruptiveness up the field, right, Yeah,
I mean he's got.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Some pass rush ability for a one tech, Right, what
about you, Bobby?

Speaker 9 (24:36):
Yeah, I think Fittano is the dream at twenty four
for me. I don't know how tainable it is, but look,
I think that when you look at what was most
wrong with this football team at the end of the year,
like I think we would say that it was the
running game on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 10 (24:50):
Who was stopping the run? It was being able to
generate the running game.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
And then you know, you've got some peripheral traits that
you would maybe talk about, like you want the glass eaters,
you want the toughness, you want the guys with the
edge on them, and so to me, I think Fatanu
fits that on the offensive line. It's it's gonna be
tough figuring out center. But I mean at that point
the value would just be too high for me, So
Fatanu there. And then in the second round it's Eddrian

(25:14):
Cooper because I I do think that that's somebody who's
a chance to be really special.

Speaker 10 (25:18):
And look, I know you've got a pass to.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
Absolutely and that's somebody who like a lot of times
we see, you know, these hair on fire type of
linebackers that have come out in recent years where we
but we start watching them at times and it shows
up in there a lot Brian and your reports too.
A lot of times we end up describing these guys like,
well they're guess or so like when when they gets
the right, when they guess right, they hit it and
it's impressive and when it gets wrong it's ugly. And

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I think that with Cooper, to me, I see a
lot of natural instincts that the longer that he's in place,
it doesn't mean that he's always in his run fits
the right way, He misses, he over pursues at times,
but I think the instincts overall are really good. And
and you know, with Eric Kendricks being here for probrobably
just a year, I think that overshown and Cooper is
a dou It would be great. And then in the

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third round you're looking at a running back. I mean,
I could say dream and say pray everybody is scared
away by Jonathan Brooks's knee, but I'm not gonna cheat.
So instead I'll say oddric Estime from Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I Guestime.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
That's another name that we haven't talked about a ton
and he's a good player.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
And that's it.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
I mean, for those of you that aren't familiar with
adrog Estimate from Notre Dame, this is not going to
be a Tony Pollard replacement.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
No, that's a downhill between the tackles I'm gonna run
you over.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
But I mean that's something that they could use. Is
they could use physicality, they could use toughness, they could
use that edge in the running game. And so to me,
you remember a couple of years ago in the Tyler
Smith draft that seemed to be a big folks for
them to like, let's identify toughness as a trait and
include that in our prioritization, and I think that they're
kind of back to that spot again. I think if
you get those three, you're getting three really tough players

(26:51):
who really help set the tone in the run game
on both sides.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
You could look at these first three picks and there's
a lot of names that have been circling that have
those medical red flags. I know Peyton Wilson we talked
about extensively, Jackson Powers, Johnson has some medical concerns. Jonathan Brooks.
In my dream, there's no hurt guys, none of that.
I don't want any medical red flags in my first
three picks. So I'm gonna go with Graham Barton early.

(27:14):
I think Graham Barton is shoulder training camp, it's been passed,
we're fine, everything's good. But yes, I'm gonna have Graham
Barton as ze first pick. Overall, the dream continues with
Edgrin Cooper and for the same thing there, I'm dreaming
of the world where Demarvin Overshown and Edgering Cooper on
the field together and interchangeable back and forth, tons of link,

(27:38):
tons of athleticism, pass rush ability, and really that sideline,
the sideline that you've been missing, and a physicality you've
been missing at the second level, and a guy that
hasn't had the same injury history as a guy like
a Peyton Wilson.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
As fun as Wilson's tape is.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
To watch to watch, I'm still worried overall about what
he can bring speed the third one.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
My dream is still alive, though.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I think Trey Benson does fall a little bit further
with early, and I've got Benson higher than right. I'd
love it if you were there, I'd take Benson over.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
And here's here's the reason why this is not one
of those running back classes with b John Robinson. This
isn't a running back class with Jimi or Gibbs. This
isn't that same level of class. We're talking about Jonathan Brooks,
who barely has an a c L that's up front early,
and you're still trying to talk about him being the
pick at fifty six.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I should thought that you thought I had ride it
too no one way down to the I was afraid
Benson's my one, Brooks is my two.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Do you think he's gonna fall all the way down
to No?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I don't. In kyle'sa it is a dream scenario.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I think it's possible the running back position isn't valued
as much as he used to.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Be, and I think there's an opportunity for these guys
to fall. I don't.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
I don't know that he falls all the way down
to them in the third round. I would be very
surprised at this point if Trey Benson went in the
first two.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay. Yeah, But with that being said, if I don't,
I can be optimistic about this.

Speaker 9 (28:56):
I mean, I like Trey Benson. I have him in
the second, but I do I would be surprised if
he in the first two round.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
You've got Braylan Allen sitting there too, and you talk
about a physical runner and a guy that could be
that back and forth, that downhill between the facles. I
like Allan out of Wisconsin as my backup scenario. If
Benson isn't there and I still need to take a
running back in the third, okay, I would probably just
go with Ray Davis so the Kentucky and talked them down.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
What do you got an issue?

Speaker 5 (29:21):
So?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (29:21):
So are we agreeing that if Talise Fuaga fall to
fail to you, you're just gonna move him to the
other side to left?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (29:29):
Oh, Okay, so we're dreaming. So yeah, we're dreaming as
far as I mean. I've also heard there's some guard love.
There's tell you there's some guard love from scouts. Don't
stress me out, just say it.

Speaker 10 (29:40):
Just want to go out.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
Just let me go.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Get a little bit more complex.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
But only we're playing Madden. That's what we're doing now.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Now.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
First round pick, I think Talis.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
He just comes in and his temperament is just he's
a tone setter, and I think that's something that you're
looking for on your offensive line. It wasn't that many
times I saw a bat snaps from him, I don't
know about, y'all. And just how quickly he can get
to the second second level, to the second level, like
we talked about, is important to me as well. So
I would go with him for my first round pick.
For my second round pick, I decided, y'all that if

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if they not going to address DT, then they just
need to score a whole bunch of points.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
So for me, I I would like Ricky PIERSO, look
at you, Okay, look at you. I was going to
ask the question, nobody picked a wide receiver. Everybody.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Nobody thought about a receiver in the first two. I'm
so proud of you right now.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
I'm only doing it.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
I'm only doing it because I I just think that
he could be a really good addition to this, uh,
this offense. Do some things underneath? Is the route running
is there from him? He's really smooth in and out
of his brakes. But then also too, you look at
Brandon Cooks. Yeah, he's here for another year, but you
you need to be trying to plan for the future
a little bit. That wide receiver corps after Brandon Cooks.
I mean there's there's still Jayling tober, but we're still

(30:59):
seeing wait for him to take a step up as well.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
So for my third round pick'm uh uh, Brian already
said it.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
I think Marshawn Lloyd out of USC will be a
fantastic addition to this backfield runs with some toughness. I
like his vision and how he's able to slash and
things like that. So at this point, if you're not
going to touch DT early, then let's just score a
whole bunch of points in offense.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
Offense.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Offense absolutely sit the return of team forty Burger or
is that what we're doing?

Speaker 7 (31:25):
Yeah, I mean, somebody who something the draft.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
To fans out there know that they got that, and
I'm heavy on DT.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
I think, like I know, Bobby feels very strongly about
the fact that, hey, you already you did.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
That last year, but you want to take a DT.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
Bobby, he doesn't want to take one early early.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Like I understand that.

Speaker 9 (31:44):
Look, you you you gave up a fourth round pick.
You have not really done anything in free agency. You've
signed two outside free agents, right, Royce Freeman the running back,
and then you went and got Eric Hendricks. You've lost
four defensive linemen. So I understand, like you do need
defensive line help everything else. But when you're talking about
what can you afford to do right now, what is

(32:07):
not only within your budget like financially, but what's within
your budget in terms of capital. To me, last year
they had a very passionate argument. We all saw the
miked up segment and like we've heard the discussion about it,
there was a very passionate argument about Matthew Berger on
the offensive lineman or Mazzie Smith the defensive tackle. And

(32:27):
they made their commitment twelve months ago. We were twelve
months removed from them saying this is a first round player.
This is somebody we're willing to take over a premium
position an offensive line.

Speaker 10 (32:36):
This is what we're going to do.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
So with so many legitimate holes until you figure out
where Tyler Smith is playing, until you settle on that,
you currently have three holes in terms of starting positions
on your offensive line. You've got holes in the linebackers,
you know, the edge rusher's got a lot of holes
with depth. To me, one of the areas where you
can't sacrifice right now is say, we've got to be
able to trust that OsO Degeizua is going to continue

(32:59):
to be a great three technique and the guy we
graded as a top fifteen player or whatever it was
a year ago. We need to bank on that evaluation,
trust the evaluation, and we need to trust this new
coaching staff that we brought in to bring that out
of him, because that at least you have something to
bank on right now with offensive line and other positions
on the field, it's like, well, you don't even have
anything to hope for because there's not a player there

(33:20):
right now.

Speaker 10 (33:21):
It's empty.

Speaker 9 (33:22):
And so I just want I understand if it was
a if you had six picks in the first three rounds,
you had this wealth of draft capital, I'd be all four.

Speaker 10 (33:29):
Taking a defensive tackle as well.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
It's just with the limited resources, is that the most
efficient use for a team that needs to win right now?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
What about you bring a wide receiver maybe sneaky need.
I think I could make the same argument for corner.
What do you have right now behind Digs and Bland
and Lewis sure that you feel good about But Eric
Scott Junior, they did move up and draft. Now you
got a different defensive coaching staff in there. I mean
you have and you're banking on Digs coming back from
an injury, and we've seen sometimes that doesn't always go

(33:59):
as you had hoped. Uh, there's some good corners that
you could take from rounds two through four. Maybe it's
a TJ. Tampa at Iowa State. Maybe it's Kyrie Jackson
out of Oregon. You know, maybe there's a slot guy
that you like, Jerry and Jones out of Florida State
you could take early day three.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I mean, would would corner come into your mind at all?

Speaker 13 (34:18):
Here?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Brian? It's such a deep position right now. It's kind
of like the wide receiver thing. You know, you mentioned Jackson,
and I know that my colleague here. We our young
man out of Oregon. We kind of thought about it
and he's an alpha. We kind of thought about him
as maybe a third round guy. Now he's at the
bottom of the first You know, there's this you know,
a guy with length, sticky ability. That's what Mike Zimmer.

(34:40):
Mike and I go way way back. I've worked with Mike.
I know what Mike wants in a corner. He wants
a guy that's got some length to him. He wants
guys that are five to eleven or better. He's wants
guys that are sticky, kind of man cover type ability,
uh to that, you know, interchangeable safeties. There's a lot
of things that Mike really really desires. But that corner back,

(35:01):
the position of it is so deep, but there's so
many different body types there. So to me, again, I
like what I U should do with the wide receiver
because it's a little bit different. It's a little bit
out outside the box. And I love Ricky Piersaw by
the way, that's one of my favorite players. But to me, though,
I think I could wait a little bit on the corner,
you know, if I had to, Because when I'm stacking

(35:24):
my board. I'm down. I've got two hundred and fifteen players.
I'm at player one forty two. I can't tell you
how many how hard it's been for me to kind
of put these corners in spots because you want to
give them their due, you know, you want to say, Okay,
this guy's got this, this guy, and then you kind
of clump them together. You're like, man, does that seem right?
And you're going, yeah, that's so. I kind of feel
like though, that in this draft, they're going to look

(35:47):
at some other positions. Maybe the receivers are the same way,
but the cornerback is something I feel like that they
could look at through the whole draft and probably grab
somebody they're really really happy with. That might be the
ext ron Bland.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
I'm curious when you look at the fact that they
don't have a fourth round pick right now. Let's say
they stand in pick in the first three rounds and
so they don't pick again until the fifth round. Receiver corner,
that's where everybody feels most comfortable that.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
You've got it.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
That maybe edge in the baby edge.

Speaker 9 (36:18):
So in the fifth round you say edge receiver corner,
that that's a position you think you might be able
to still have a fourth round graded player there when
you pick in the fifth.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, receiver, receiver, I think corner, yeah yeah, receiver,
corner edge might be one of those guys that were
one of those positions where you say, okay, if you
had a fourth round pick and you're sleeping on your
board going into day three, you might even have a
third round grade on some of those guys.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
But when you get into that that that fifth round
pick was at one seventy one, there might be a
fourth round player still on your board.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
All right, do we have questions here for draft one
on one? We'll open it up to questions. We have
the mic right over here. If you want to go,
step up, go ahead to introduce yourself, tell us your name,
where you're from, and uh, we're here to answer whatever
you got.

Speaker 10 (37:07):
Hello. My name's Aaron Thacker.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
I'm from Sherman, Texas.

Speaker 14 (37:11):
And my question would be, if you have like later
round picks, like your fifth and sixth, would you possibly
And again I don't know enough about like the compensation thing,
so that's why I'm asking this, would you be able
to use that to trade up to get that fourth
round pick that you're missing, so that way you could
do that, or would you have to like get give

(37:33):
up next year's capital as well to do that.

Speaker 10 (37:37):
That's my question, thank y'all.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
What do you, Bobby, what do do you know, like
trade char wise or pile? Do you have that up? Yeah,
I've got the trade jar right here.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
So pick one seventy four is worth twenty two points
ultimately to try and move up. And you've got a
couple picks after one seventy four, but that's the highest
value pick outside of the top one hundred. The most
you could move up from pick one seventy four, and
it's still be able if even if you package the
rest of your draft, the earliest you would even get

(38:05):
close to is.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
About pick one twenty. That's about all you've got, So it.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Would most likely to your point, if you're going to
move up at some point and try and finagle that
fourth round pick back into your possession, you're gonna do
it using next year's draft capital, either a third or
a fourth try and package maybe with one seventy four
one of those other later picks in.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Order to move up and try and get back in
that fourth round.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
And I think there's an interesting point to make there
as far as next year's draft capital is concerned, just
because the one benefit to losing a million free agents,
it says you might get a million compicks, so you
might be able to package a couple of those next
year with the.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Expectations that Day three is going to be a blast.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Now yeah here, oh man, Day three, we're gonna we're
ten picks.

Speaker 10 (38:44):
It's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
When you when you look at the trading up and
trading backs, the pick the picks from, Like if you
go back to Tampa at twenty six, you would pick
up their one twenty five, which is a fourth round pick,
such a two spot move for four if you did
a trade with the Arizona at twenty seven. So I'm
just going down what we did this morning. You pick

(39:07):
up pick one thirty eight and pick one sixty two
from Arizona. Those are two fives. What we did this
morning is we took those two fives and we tried
to go up back up into the into the into
the draft and then and had some options there we
went to let's see where we went to there. We
went from the after the Arizona trade, when we pick

(39:28):
up the two fives, we took pick one thirty eight,
one sixty two, one seventy four, which was our own
all fifth round picks, and we tried to take that
thing all the way to the chargers at one oh five.
The chargers got two picks in the fourth So what
you could do is you could take if you made
a deal with Arizona, if you made it do with Arizona,
you could you can move those two fifth round picks

(39:51):
with your own fifth round pick and move that thing
all the way up to try and get into the
the one oh five to one to ten range. So
that's how you would get your four uh, if you
wanted to do that, But it's gonna cost you your
the the two picks you got, the two fifth round picks,
push your own fifth round pick.

Speaker 9 (40:07):
Yeah, I think that that's when you're talking about trying
to get into the fourth round. If you want to
go get into the fourth round. I don't know how
much you are. Teams aren't going to let you in
there all the time. Yeah, And I don't know how
much you want to sacrifice to move up, Like I
think it is gonna have to be an instance where
you move back, because I mean, we're sitting here lamenting
the loss of a fourth round pick and that could
be a real value to them, and talking about giving

(40:29):
up extra capital. I understand it's later day through, but
you're talking about giving up extra capital or future capital.
And at that point you're kind of chasing your tail
trying to catch those picks back a little bit. And
so to me, I think that if you're gonna get
up into the fourth round, it's gotta be you're moving
back somehow in the first or second and finding somebody
who will give you that extra pick.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
BUTTERI you want to trade with this Kansas City. Kansas
City and Buffalo are the two that I think are
the most likely. Well, if they need a wide receiver,
both teams need to go up and get a guy.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
It's funny because if you look at and the way
in the NFL what we do is each each selection
has a value of points, and when you start to
trade with the teams behind you, if you make trades
would say Tampa Bay there, your total points would be
four oh two. That's the highest you could get by

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just moving back two spots and picking up that fourth
your point total goes to four oh two. Arizona's trade
would be the next highest at four hundred. Buffalo's at
four hundred, the Baltimore trade is at three ninety seven.
San Francisco's trade is at three ninety and then but
Kansas City's at four oh one. So if you were
willing to go from twenty four to thirty two, you

(41:40):
would get the best value for your trade is if
you went all the way back to Kansas City and
picked up there and picked up there there, because what
they're offering you is offering you pick ninety five, which
is a third round pick and pick one thirty three,
which is a fourth So now you're doing some good
right there. That would give you pick thirty two, pick

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fifty six, pick eighty seven, pick ninety five, pick one
thirty one, pick one seventy four, pick two sixteen, pick
two thirty three, pick two forty four. Now we're doing
some damage here, you know. Now we're now we're making
our team a little bit better. But do you have
the stomach to go from twenty four to thirty two?
That's what you have to That's what they're going to

(42:22):
have to determine in this room, you know, and you
don't want to trade. We we gave scenarios of guys
that we would take at twenty four, and I think
we're all committed to those guys. Yeah so or yeah,
I think you're more open to that. That's what I'm saying.
How committed are you when somebody like Kansas City calls
you and offers you a third and a fourth to

(42:43):
come down to their spot. You know that's that's that
that tests your metal in that room, whether you're willing
to trade away from a guy you really like to
pick up a couple extra picks.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Martin Fatanu Fluaga. All those guys are off the board.
You're sitting there at twenty four. Mems are still on
the board, Latham is still on the board. You're getting
on the phone and going to thirty two. Yeah, I'd
probably be open to moving back. Probably what did you
think there?

Speaker 9 (43:07):
I was just say, and I mean thirty two. If
that's a drop, you're gonna have trouble stomaching, Brian. You
really don't want to drop to thirty six?

Speaker 10 (43:13):
I guess no.

Speaker 9 (43:14):
Nick was trying to talk me in today. But with
that Commanders, it's it's an exact trade value chart match.
If you go back to thirty six, you can get
seventy eight from them, which they've got three picks in
the third round. Yeah, I mean that's an exact point.
Can match up if you want to. If you want
to get let me tell you what I did. Let
me tell you what we did today on the show.
We took the Kansas City trade ninety five and one

(43:35):
thirty one, and we shoved that thing up to the
Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Nick got seventy seven.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Nick convinced us.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, so see, you could take you could take the
third round pick, that fourth round pick you get, and
if you want to go to the Vegas Raiders at
seventy seven and get back into this thing, or you
want to take it to Washington at seventy eight, So
you could do some things. You could get creative. You
could even take trade you made with Baltimore and San

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Francisco and go into the second round if you want.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Yeah, if that's the scenario, we can draft Ricky Piersoll,
We can draft a wide receiver, if.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
We can get some pace here and make it work. Yeah,
you got to not get the anytime.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
We sneak Mickinley Jackson in there too, that's too much.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You're asking too much here. It's a lot. Now you
enjoyed the thunder all right? On next draft question, it's
Chris from Wiley. I'm gonna go first direction here.

Speaker 13 (44:29):
Let's just say, you know, the Cowboys have been very
quiet this offseason. Let's just say they decide they want
to get a little aggressive. And let's say all six
quarterbacks that you know everybody's talking about. Let's say there's
a run of quarterbacks in the first before the Cowboys draft.
What player would you guys be We all know the

(44:50):
Cowboys need as many draft picks as they can, but
what player would you guys be comfortable for them to
move up?

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Ms Fogga, Falton.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Either one.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, I think those would be the two names. Now
it depends on I mean, you might need to move
up and go get Barton if he's your guy. With
with how this thing's looking, you guys, that wouldn't cost
you nearly as much.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
You'd have to get up into the late teens as
opposed to maybe top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
But you're really going you never know.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
In Philadelphia has a contingency plan in place to play
a center with Kelsey retiring, but you also have seen
a history of your division rival with Dallas Goddard where
Philadelphia'll say, yeah, we like this guy and we're gonna
take him, just to stick it to the Cowboys. If
the Eagles took Barton at twenty two, I might throw up,
what about Steelers at twenty or another team? Right the

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Dolphins at nineteen?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I will say, Graham Barton just sounds like a Pittsburgh
Steelers name, Like I just it does sound like that.
So he would look good in the yellow and black.
He'd look better in blue and silver wood. But I
agree with you. I think if you're going to go
up and get a guy, it's gonna cost you a
lot to go get the fuagas, to go get the fatanus.
And as much as that sounds fun, if they're sliding
in the late teens, let's let's play around with the idea.

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But go get a guy if you feel like it,
and if you're wanting to be aggressive, go get them
if if you have the capital to do so.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I just don't necessarily think they have the capital to
do so. I'll be.

Speaker 10 (46:21):
Like, I'm just I'm reverse to moving up.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Well, But so the Cowboys, though, seem to be too.
They haven't moved up since Moke label.

Speaker 9 (46:27):
That's why to me, like you're gonna have to get
some I mean, you're gonna have to get a a
Laramie tunsil problem or something and push like Joe Alt
down the board like before I'm gonna go up.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
He's got the guess I want to say, you think it's.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
Something like like I mean Latham maybe, like I mean,
I really there's I like, even these guys that I
like Latham and Alton, stuff like tackle like likely will
stretch quality down to you at twenty four?

Speaker 10 (46:55):
Is it enough that I want to go up and
get it?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
But that's the thing that the guys around the league
are talking about right now, is that all the offense
when you're sitting there at twenty four, and we again
talked about this on the Draft Show today, you're sitting
at twenty four and all these offensive players are going
off the board, where's the offensive player for me at
twenty four? I mean, Dallas best player on the board
might be a defensive player at twenty four or no,

(47:17):
and not to say they would take him, but if
you look at all these quarterbacks going, all these offensive
tackles going, some of these wide receivers going, the best
player on the board might be a defensive player for
this team. Now will they take him? I'm not saying
they will, but yeah, well there you go back. But

(47:37):
there you go. I've been in a draft room with
these guys and the phone hasn't run. Trust me.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
I dropped on my knees one time praying that the
phone would ring. Please, yeah, please ring? This their video
of this?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
What's that? Their video of that? I wish there was.
But seriously, you the room, the room gets like deathly
quiet and like you you're just you're praying. And because
you've laid the groundwork with all these guys, I mean,
you've talked all these teams and told them, hey, listen,
we're open. Come on, come up to us. We'll trade you. Come.
But you know, you look what happened in the in

(48:08):
the draft with with with the Travis Frederick. They blew
the hatch and bailed with eighteen picks down or eighteen
thirty one. Yeah, and you know, sometimes you don't get
the value on that. Should you've got a second round
on that when second round, well they took a third.
Sometimes when you blow the hatches like that, you don't
get the value of your pick.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
How late would you be willing to go down what's
the last the last pick you'd be willing to ditch
out of the first thirty eight?

Speaker 6 (48:35):
Thirty eight is where thirty.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Eight I was gonna say, Bobby. Scenario with thirty six
is that the commanders. It is the commanders, Yes, Dan Quinn,
and that would make me. That would make me nervous
as well. But I think you can maybe cross your
fingers and hope. Like Zach Fery, do you feel like
you could get the BYU tackle at thirty six?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yes? Yeah, I think so too. I think so thank
you'll be I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I think if they're a run on tackles like you're
talking about, I don't think Kingsley, Sua Matias last until
thirty six.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I think one of these three guys would be available,
Sue Matia, Jordan Morgan, Tyler Guiden three would be available there.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
It depends on what they think Jordan Morgan is. Do
they think is he a guard?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
And if so, if Tyler Smith playing tackle right, then
Tyler plays tackle. And you feel good about Morgan at guard,
you'll let bas and Hoffman I or maybe you take
it center later.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Maybe it's hund Nordals. I don't know if they take Morgan.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
I don't know if we're talking enough about him, because
if he is viewed as a guard, it's the same
scenario as an interior offensive lineman like Barton and Jackson and.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
The JC Latham conversation I had, I had, I had
a scout in the league, not a cowboy scout, a
scout in the league. I asked him about Latham. I said,
do you think he could play left tackle? And he says, no,
I don't. I think he's a right tackle. But I
think he's an All Pro guard. He's made. That's That's
what I mean. That guy, this this guy that scouts
the Southwest area for a team, and he says, I
don't think he could play left tackle, but I bet

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she's an All Pro guard.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
I do want to ask, I mean, what do you
want to come on? Okay, yeah, I do want to ask.
You mentioned that we haven't mentioned Jordan Morgan that much.
I feel like at the start of the draft he
was everybody was talking about him.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
What was the What shifted? Was it the combine?

Speaker 5 (50:15):
I think for a lot of people length, the length
is a little concerning to a lot of people. That's
probably where you start to slot him in at guard instead.
But for me, durable tons of experience forty plus games, yes,
didn't allow a lot of sacks, really good and pass
pro really good to run blocking. Does he do anything exceptional?
Probably not, But I think he does everything pretty damn well.
I think he's an all round type player that can

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play guard at the next level and be good at
doing it. Look, I am team Tyler Tyler Smith at
left guard, but if they were to draft Jordan Morgan,
I think he'd be great at left guard and Tyler
Smith left.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
And I would say this, I don't.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
I think most of the time, whenever there's a discussion
of when we're trying to figure out, you know, what
changed or other things like that, I think a lot
of the times it's we catch up to where media
scout teams are. I don't think teams have cooled on
Jordan Morgan. I think teams have if he like I mean,
if he goes to the second round. I think tams
Alway viewed him in the second round, and there there

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was probably discussion that was putting him more up in
the first that teams were like, no, we don't necessarily
agree with that. So I think very rarely is there
like a strong push for a guy like that or
or a big change of opinion. I think a lot
of times it's just we're catching up to where teams
are aut with.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I watched him block a lot two from UCLA, made
him go to the other side, his adjustments, like, I've
had enough of this guy killing me all day. I
think I'm gonna go to the other side.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
He'll find a way to beat our guy standing on
one foot.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
I mean, it's his balance is let me go to
you with the freshman from Scottsdale.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I'm gonna switch sides, all right, Yes, sir,
what do you have for us?

Speaker 15 (51:39):
Hey, Allen from Joshua, Texas. I'm just saying I'm tired
of our defense, the ball getting ran down their throat
and the biggest games. I don't know if it's fixable
in one draft, but or Zimmer is going to change things.

Speaker 10 (51:50):
But that's me, man.

Speaker 15 (51:51):
I know we need offensive tackle, but the defense and
the run game, you know, the run defense.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, sorry, we get it. We're here for you.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I know you've Brian, You've made this assessment where I
think we think a lot of the time stopping the
run is okay. I need to get big bodies in
the middle, and they do. They need to add size,
and they thought they were doing so with Mosley safeties
at Linebacker's tough, right, And I'm still hopeful that Mozzy
ends up being a good player. You can't give up

(52:22):
on a guy based on one year, don't It's just
you took it out in the first round for a reason, right,
So it.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Didn't go well.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You hope you're too He develops and he's got a
guy in Mike Zimmer who certainly has done a great
job developing defensive tackles throughout his career. But do you
think that more of the issue? And Brian and then
I want to get your thoughts Bobby, and we can
kick it around. Is it that they are really that
weak at defensive tackle? Is it more so the undersized
linebackers or is it the constant issue they seem to
always have as well with being able to set the

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edge consistently.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I think setting the edge is a big issue.
I know we focus a lot on inside and what
you know, Hankins and those guys were, but you know, Golston,
I mean when I saw and I was working on
the draft with Golston coming out of Iowa. I thought
he was a Tank Lawrence type player when he would
be able with the pass rush and then the ability
to play the run. There were times in those Big
Ten games you couldn't see the ball go outside of him.

(53:15):
I feel sorry for the guy. They play him at tackle,
they play him in, they play him and tackled in.
It reminds me of Tyron Crawford. They can't find a
spot for the guy, and all of a sudden, now
you you know he's he's gone by the wayside, and
you maybe waste a little bit of a guy there.
But I think when you start to talk about the edge,
you know they missed the guys like with the Layton
vander Esher's and the Shawn Leaves, the guys that can
run downhill, the guys that could fill the safeties that

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could fill they kind of figured out a little bit
with digs. You know that you could run the ball
on the outside there with digs, and with digs come
up and play you and force the corner. You know,
you need alley players, you need forced players, you need
edge players.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
They were a little bit weak in all those areas, Bobby,
one area that you fought for is safety. Do you
think some of this can be remedied bot at Washington
State kid? Yeah, Hicks Jayden Hicks Absolutely. I mean he's
seeking Mitchell out there. Do you think some of this
could be remedied more so since you're not into tackle
when it comes to the second and third level, taking
a linebacker, taking a safety.

Speaker 9 (54:13):
Yeah, So, I mean, I guess it comes down to
when you see the Cowboys struggle and run defense, why, like, like,
when you look at it, what is the issue? Like
in years past, their issue was you know, during the
christ of Charter, they were always coached like how fast
they needed to play and a lot of times they
got caught and over pursuit they would leave these massive
angles where guys could cut back. That that was a

(54:34):
problem that they were into at different times. Is this
a talent problem? Is it a problem with you know
guys in terms of their ability to read and react.
Is it like you know, a size issue, like there
there are these different things that you have to says,
I don't think that when you look at how the
Cowboys have addressed defensive tackle in recent years. Jonathan Hankins,
Neville Gallimore, Quintin Bohanna, like, just different guys like this.

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That size hasn't always been the problem, like I mean,
it's there are other problems with run fits and reeds
and keys and everything else like that.

Speaker 10 (55:05):
So to me, I look at it and say, you
need to get better.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
Obviously along the defensive line, linebackers, safeties like that, that's
all stuff that that has to happen. To me, they
are before they worry about depth or anything else, they
have to figure out who is starting. So I'd love
a safety that can, you know, like Jane Nicks, who
can do what he does. I love Eddrian Cooper. I'd
love to have him in here. Love to have a
defensive tackle like McKinley Jackson if you have the capital

(55:32):
to spend on that.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
What Yeah.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
And to me though, it's that the reason why I
saw it the other way.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
If he just three hundred and sixty pounds not getting
blocked and there's daring atch the four look at it,
I'll look the other way. Just okay, just keep keep
playing in there.

Speaker 9 (55:44):
Steven Stephen Jones said, you know, this week, maybe in
last week, I can't remember, but Stephen Jones said that
they are going to play Mazzie Smith more like what
he was used to doing at Michigan. Yeah, and and
so that right there, if you're gonna peck that out,
you've already made the analysis of what type of a
player he can be. You've got coaches that you believe in,

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and you want to have, you know, bring that out
of him. And so to me, I think that if
you're gonna set him somewhere, he's more comfortable and he
gets here too, and the conditioning is better and everything else,
I think that that's something that you have to be
able to bank on, like of all the things they
can't bank on, Like, I don't know why it would
be a prioritization to say, well, I can't bank on

(56:28):
my first rounder, but I can bank on the undrafted
free agent center.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
No, you have to you have to bank on Mazie.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
And to me, that so for me, I recognize fixing
the run defense in a lot of ways will have
to come from fixing depth at all three levels. To me,
the most immediate need to fix your run defense in
terms of talent that you've assessed, you need a linebacker.
Is there a linebacker that I would take in the
first round. No, And so to me, it's the defensive

(56:55):
side of the ball. Is not even really a question
for me in the first round.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
To that or I think he said it perfectly because
you hear about this all the time. Whenever it comes
to building your offensive line, you build it from the
inside out. You build it from center, and you go
out to tackle, and you work that way from a
roster building standpoint. Nate Newton says that all the time
whenever we're talking about adding some roster stuff on the
opposite side. You build from the front to the back.
You build from your defensive line, you win in the trenches,

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then you add to the second level and you go
to the backside. I don't think the Cowboys are horrific
at safety. Now, is there room to improve? Absolutely, you
can improve anywhere on that defense, especially against the run,
like this gentleman was talking about a moment ago. If
you're able to give some help to those linebackers at
the second level, that's when I start building confidence in

(57:42):
stopping the run. So I think a big defensive tackle
can help. I think banking on Mazie and seeing him
go back to what he did best at Michigan which
was stop the run, clog up the middle, and not
try this pass rush stuff that obviously didn't work as
a rookie. I think Bobby's onto something here of building
your team from the forward part to to the secondary
and making it work from there strong up the middle.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Let me ask really quick, if Mazie Smith is not
ready for the start of the season, or he gets
hurt at some point in the season, who's your one tech.
Carl Davis Carl Davis practice squad for most of the
year last year.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I mean, we've moved Chauncey back and forth of one
hundred times. You just throw him inside and see what happened.

Speaker 8 (58:17):
I would hope not they would put so he's put
him back at his home edge rusher edge. I wanted
to add really quickly. I wanted to add about you know,
being able to set the edge. I do think it's
going to be important for them to find an edge
that is opposite of tank, that's disciplined, because we've just
seen teams attack you there and have a lot of

(58:39):
success there, and a lot of time when they when
teams were running the ball on the Cowboys, it was
bouncing to the outside. It wasn't just running up the interior,
and with how teams are trying to attack those angles,
it's going to become more of an issue. I've even
talked about this draft is and the DM position as
a whole is like it's really this or that with
a lot of these guys. If you find an edge
in the draft that's willing to rush the passer but

(59:01):
also can stop the run at a high clip and
really stay square and do it, then it's a luxury
at this point. So edge is in need as well,
A serious wonder that we probably should talk about a.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Little bit more.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
Chop Robinson.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
To get off right. He does not want to shop Robinson.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Shop Robinson will blow up the play and then he
will not make the tackle or he will not finish
the sack. But goodness gracious, the way he gets off
the snap is insane.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I think I'm done limiting Penn State linebackers or edge
rushers coming out of college.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I think I'm done waiting on that one. You know,
this Michigan thing, we got a line developing here.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
I like this where we're going, all right, Zach Waldough,
Oh it's up man, I'm glad you came.

Speaker 16 (59:48):
I appreciate it. Man, I'm bringing up a talk. We
talked a lot about it in private.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
You know, I hate.

Speaker 16 (59:54):
Limiting Jordan Morgan to the interior. I was like, I've
seen this guy with people that these other tackles haven't
been able to whoop. I was like, I've seen Tyler
guiding not being able to finish in the run game,
consistently not playing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
With leverage, even though I know he's a big dude.

Speaker 16 (01:00:09):
Sure, I was like, but you know, I've been against
really tall tackles for a variety of reasons. That's one
of the big reasons. I was like, this guy is
the perfect size for the for the position. If a
guy knows how to play with his hands, play with leverage,
play with k me band, has the foot quickness, this
guy could play tackle. But I go back to this
team's done a lot of work with Jordan Morgan. I mean,
we talked about it. I remember I brought it up

(01:00:30):
to you in January. Sure, they asked him, was like,
who's the team that you talked to the most throughout
the bar says He named four teams, Arizona remember Arizona
being one of them, but the Cowboys were one of them.
He's like, they talked to me. We've talked a lot
throughout the present.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
This was January. We go to the combine.

Speaker 16 (01:00:43):
Nick you had asked him about the Cowboys and he
brought up the versatility of left tackle and right tackle,
not necessarily guard.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So I was like, we keep trying to limit him
to the guard.

Speaker 16 (01:00:53):
And then they went to his pro day him Baltimore
and the Jets spent a lot of time with him
before all the work out. They have to stop the
workout just because how much time they were spending with
them pre pre all the other positional drills. That's just
like for me, it was like I'm just banging that.
This is me banging the table for sure, staying on
the table. This guy can come in. He's gonna be

(01:01:15):
a lot better than a lot of the guys are
going to be drafted ahead of them, and I just
have a sick fill and we're gonna pass on them,
and he's gonna end up in Washington, who's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Their own homework on them, or San Francisco or San Francisco,
and we're gonna watch him be a stud over there.
That's my only thought there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
No, I appreciate it. Well, but Brian, did he sell
you anymore on Jordan Morgan? I know you were a
fan of him early on as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I appreciate him, by the way, I got lunch for
you for that that speech you just made, right, Walda
puts in the bark. Yeah, I do, I owe you
for that one. No, I think I issue was right.
We talked about this when the Draft show was rolling
very early. Uh, this was a guy that Jordan Morgan was,
you know, a guy that we watched very early. And
I think you're right. There's a lot of qualities about

(01:01:54):
but there's probably some things that you know, with Mike
Salari the line coach, it's different with every line coach.
You know, he has a certain type of way that
he wants to play hands feet length. All these things
are things that these offensive line coaches they go around,
they kind of get their guys, and you know, Jordan
Morgan might not fit exactly what they're looking for right

(01:02:15):
now once they get them all together. I think he's
a hell of a player and I think he made
a great passionate speech. If we were in a war room,
I would say you did your job today. He really did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I mean I think Jordan Morgan is in play in
a trade back scenario, and that would be a Tyler
Smith that tackle Morgan at guard, and then you still
got to figure out center. But I mean, Nick, you
were boots on the ground there at the combine. Did
you get a vibe from Jordan Morgan a little twinkle
in his eye when the Cowboys came up?

Speaker 11 (01:02:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
I think it's like most teams, it's kind of tough
to tell at the combine because they're doing thirty two
job interviews and some guys can't even decipher one from
the other. But I think with Jordan Morgan, not only
did they do homework on him at the Combine, they
did it at the Senior Bowl, so they understand this guy.
They understand what he can bring to the table. I
think it's uh. I think it's an expectation of you
know what you're getting whenever he arrives in the building,

(01:03:05):
And that is different than if you get an Amarusmims
or if you get a Tyler Guidon. You don't quite
know exactly what you're getting from those guys. But also
at the same on the same token, you asked yourself, Okay,
what does this player look like? In four years from
now when I'm thinking about this fifth year option, is
a Tyler Guiden or a Marius Smims going to develop
at a trajectory that puts them way above Jordan Morgan
by that time. You also have to be able to

(01:03:27):
be comfortable not only your scouting but your development in
that same sense.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
I also, and look, I think Jordan Morgan's a good player.
I think that, you know, I think he can absolutely
play tackle. But I think the idea of saying that
if teams were to say he's primarily a guard, I
don't think, especially in today's NFL, where so much of
it is get the ball out quickly and a gap
pressure is such a big deal. I don't know that

(01:03:51):
talking about somebody's at their guard that that teams would
think of that as limiting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, I don't think it's a negative anything.

Speaker 9 (01:03:56):
I think that teams view that as that's a valuable
part of the offensive line and it's part of an
entire unit that they're trying to build. I also think
that it's important to when we hear the discussions that
the Cowboys have when it's like, hey, they talked to
him here, they talk to him here, they talk to
him here. Yes, a lot of times that can indicate
they really like him. Also at other times it can

(01:04:16):
indicate we have to figure him out because we're not
comfortable with things. Sure, And so I think that whenever
you see that, it can mean one or the other.
It doesn't have to mean that they're not comfortable things.
It doesn't have to mean that they're in love with them.
But I think that when you see a lot of
attention paid to a player a lot of different meetings,
I think a lot of times they're saying to themselves,
we need to get answers here that maybe we're not

(01:04:38):
comfortable with yet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
And I mean you can even look whenever we put
together this Dallas Cowboys Draft guide, which is beautiful and
you should all get it, we tend to put guys
on the front that we have a feeling that could
be the pick or just has name value.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He's on the front because he fits the mold.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
He's on the front of the magazine because he has
an opportunity to go to the next level and have
some success. And that was about a month and a
half prior to where we sit now, a week ahead
from the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
So there's been thought about Jordan Morgan, and if.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
They do pass on him, to Bobby's point, it's because
they have a reason, They have something that popped up
through the process, or they just have another prospect that
they had higher on their board and they didn't window
dress it. He could fit you a need the same
way that Graham Barton could, the same way that a J. C.
Latham could or some of these other guys. It fills
a need, but it depends on where the value is
with the players around him and who's on the board

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at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
No question, I usul, do you do you want to
bounce for your guy Jordan Morgan? Or or do you
kind of agree with where we're going?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
You guys, have you sailed it?

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
He don't care about nothing you talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:42):
He's gonna feel a.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Way that's good team trade back as well. I would
assume Jordan, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I know you do all right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Oh my gosh, all right, Ron, you need to keep
this kosher, bro Honey to make sure no f bombs
here their children at home.

Speaker 9 (01:05:56):
I was gonna say, broad Us is probably worried about
what's about to come out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I'm out, we all are. But I have a filter.
Everybody's got a notes app. This is impressive. Do you
think this.

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
Year's draft could be more about next year's draft after
McCarthy and maybe Dak are both gone?

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I mean it's it's real talk.

Speaker 16 (01:06:17):
What if Jerry goes with Dion and his son next year,
or if you can draft up and take Pendix.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Junior this year?

Speaker 13 (01:06:26):
What do you do?

Speaker 9 (01:06:27):
And remember if you're not hanging out with JORDI ran
drinking Jim Bean on one A five three of the fan?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Where are you at? S A guy?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
We love you, Ron, thank you so much. Yes, run
of a plus a run he nails it every every
Friday at five twenty?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
What' you're drinking?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
What you're thinking? Aisha? How do we feel about Ron's question?
I mean you immediately went and buried your head behind
you and notebook.

Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
No, I don't have a I don't have a lot
to say about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I will say, I'll say this, I'll say I'll speak up,
I'll speak up here.

Speaker 16 (01:07:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
This is a This is unusual in a lot of
different ways for scouts and for coaches, because you do
have coaches that are on one year deals, and you
have a head coach that's on a one year deal
or he's so. Now you're in a situation where, uh,
you're you're wondering as a as a player personnel department,

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we just we got to put this board together for
who we think the best players are. Whether you know,
the coaches have input. I worked here for a long time.
Coach has always had input here, always maybe at times
too much. You know, I never called a third down defense,
you know, but they would come into my area and
tell me why this guy could play or this guy

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couldn't play. So I think they're in a very very
unusual situation. I think will Jerry Steven have to manage
this in a way that their board is put together
the truest board that they could put together for how
this team is going to be this season and the
into the future. Yes, you could think about you know
that you could ask the coaches, hey, what would you

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how would you like us to draft this board? You know,
if you have a little bit of more stability to that,
if you've had some continuity. They had a lot of
continuity with Jason Garrett for ten years. Scouts knew exactly
what they were doing when they were looking for players
for that staff. So to me, it is a little
bit of a tightrope that you walk, but you also
have to say you know and I know again Mike Zimmer.

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My relationship with Mike Mike is a hey, I like
this kind of a player, but bring me whoever you
want to bring me. And I think that's the attitude
that you have to have going into this as a
personnel department. You got to put the board to put
the board together the best you can and play it
in a way that is best for today and then

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for tomorrow, regardless of who's coaching this football team.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
I think some thought to what you were asking there,
Ron and Bobby, I wonder your thoughts on this with
the fact that yes, it is kind of Hey, you
don't have a lot of future right now locked up
with your staff. What do we talk about trading up
or your players? We talk about moving picks for next year?
Are you more open to do that because I might

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not be here next year? What do I care about
those picks for?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah? Look, I mean I think that the front office
ain't going anywhere, the front office, but the coach.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
But but Mike McCarthy might be like, hey, no, no,
but I want this guy. No, No, don't sell me
on next year's raft. You know, I don't know that
I got a job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
If I was Mike McCarthy, I would have been to
Will mcclay's office every single day going what are we
doing in free agency? Why can't we go get what
are we doing? Explain to me what's going on here?
You know, Mike McCarthy took the approach I believe of Okay,
I trust you, guys, Mike McCarthy. You got to remember
I came from the same program he did in Green Bay.
Mike McCarthy did not He just by way of it,

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head coach coaches don't have it, didn't have a whole
lot to say the player. The players were drafted by
the front office. The coaches at a hell of a
job at coaching. You know, there was some interaction stuff
like that. Mike is getting the first opportunity. I mean,
this is what it's fifth draft now, fourth draft that
we've had here with him. This is the first rule
opportunity he's ever had of going in and Jerry Jones,

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Stephen Jones looking at him and going what do you
think here? And then he have an opinion Because in
Green Bay Ted Thompson would draft the players, So you know,
that's that's really different for him. But to me, I
still think that they're going to have a say, but
you have to be mindful of that, you know, you
have to be mindful is this guy the best player
for what we're trying to do right now? You know,

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And that's and that's how you have to approach it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
I think the defensive coach might. I think Zimmer is
gonna have some input, but maybe not as much as
dan Quinn.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Dan Quinn had a ton of it, because lots of it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
There were plenty of times we would just be like, oh,
that's a dan Quinn guy. Sure, definitely a dan Quinn guy.
David Eddie is too, So I wonder if that comes
in play as well, with Mike McCarthy having a little
bit more say with that gentleman out of the building
now and over.

Speaker 10 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I don't I disagree.

Speaker 9 (01:11:09):
I think dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer and the way
the Cowboys have generally built their personnel staff and the
way that their personnel staff interacts with their coaching staff,
and the way that they gather information and you know,
have open lines of communications.

Speaker 10 (01:11:25):
Say what do you like?

Speaker 9 (01:11:26):
You know, what are the kind of things that you
look for in players. All Right, now we know what
you like, we're gonna go find it for you. Now
we're gonna make the evaluation. But you tell them what
you like, I'm gonna go out there and find it.
And in terms of looking ahead to next year, the
Cowboys have had uncertainty with their coaching staff just about
every single year. It's just with different reasons. You gotta remember,

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they've spent three straight drafts with Dan Quinn thinking this
could be dan Quinn's last year here. This could be
Dirty's last year here, this could be Joe Witt, Al Harris,
whoever else like these could all be their last year here.
And yet they still routinely go back and go, so, okay,
dan Quinn, you might be gone next year, but you
really like Eric Scott, and Eric Scott really fixed a
lot of what you want.

Speaker 10 (01:12:06):
Let's go get him, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:12:07):
They they had a decent sense that they thought, you know,
Rod Marrionelli twenty nineteen, this might be the end for you,
and yet they still you like Tristan Hill, that's the type.

Speaker 10 (01:12:16):
Of player you like.

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
So routinely they have shown a history of we are
focused on what we know right now we cannot get.
You know, it's control what you can control, which is
a you know, mantra that's talked about in NFL rooms
everywhere outside of Dallas, like Dallas and everywhere else talks
about that. And what they can control is their lines

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of information, their lines of communication with their coaching staff,
and that coaching staff they have now they can't project
out and say, well, let me guess who is the
next defensive coordinator and what they're gonna think or whatever else.
And so I think Zimmer, even here, you know, just
year one and everything else, I think one hundred percent
equally will have the same voice that Quinn does.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
See, I'm right there with you because whenever you look
at the way that this contract is one year deal left,
it's easy to look at him and say, Mike McCarthy's
going to be here down the road, or he's not
going to be here down the road, depending on what
happens in twenty twenty four. It's a year to year
league anyways, that's the NFL. We've seen coaches fired after
sixteen games. We've seen coaches fired after sixteen years. I mean,

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look at Bell Belichick. No longer the coach with the
New England. That's because he couldn't draft at the end,
which is fair, but that's part of it. He's one
of the greatest coaches of all times. Tom Landry has
had the same problem here. He's won six Super Bowls.
It's a year to year league in the NFL. If
you is a what have you done for me lately?
And that's the thing is if they go into it.
I think the only time that this possibly plays a

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factor is if it's one player versus the other who's
going to play more now as opposed to down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
I think it might come into those conversations.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
But whatever it comes to the building the board and
putting these names on top of another, I don't think
a lot changes depending on the coaching stat.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
I'll tell you what, if they draft anything other than
offensive line, and with that first pick they are drafting
for the future, they are not drafting for this season.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
That's not happened Spicy form, Nick Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
I'm with you, though, I mean, I like what you're
saying there, Bobby, and I do think that that might
be one of the things the Cowboys do best with
Will McLay and his scouts going to position coaches, going
to the coordinators and saying, hey, give me a description.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
What are you looking for? What do you like? And
they come back and they're able to build their board
that way. Just real quick. I'm sorry, I'll get Yeah,
you brought up about Michael Pennix. Nobody benefited more from
a falling quarterback in the first round than Mike McCarthy
with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, nobody benefited more. Now I'm
saying that Salmon Green, Hey, that's drafted quarterback. Teddy Thompson

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had no intention of taking a quarterback when he took
Aaron Rodgers. He was taking a defensive lineman. And that
just shows you Sometimes it's like, you know, you step
up and you say, we can't pass on this guy.
There's a lot of things going on. There's a lot
of balls in the air in this organization about your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
If Michael Pennix Junior is there at twenty four of hands,
who's considering drafting him?

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Can you hold him?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
You already took your quarterback in this draft with Trey Lance.
Did you horth round pick? Cause Penix you have to be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
Quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
He's got that special about him. Now, and I'm not
saying that Dak Prescott. Maybe he is the quarterback of
the future here and they're sold on him, and I
all right, that's fine. So I don't think that they'd
really consider that, because I do think that's how they feel.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
If they had not traded for Trey Lance. I would
go with you on this one. I'm with you, and
I like Trey. I mean, I'm longing to see what
you have with they had they had a second round,
a high second round grade on Trey Lance. That's on
their board. There's probably twenty I have twenty two names.
He may be his player twenty who's better for you?
Between Penix or Lance? I had Lance higher. He had
Lance higher. So you're absolutely not considering that. Then, well no,

(01:15:43):
I'm not. But I mean, like to me, but if
you're looking at the situation and you're in your quarterback's
not signed, I think you absolutely have to look at
a court.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Yeah, I think you've got to have that conversation. Yeah,
I think guys, you guys want to know something. I'd
literally just looked this up. I was curious.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Trey Lance is one younger than Michael Pennock.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
You're going to jail Yeah, you have to tell was
born older.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Quarterback Trey Lance was born on May ninth, two thousand
and Michael Pennox Junior was May eighth of two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Bobby, you don't have to raise your hand. I know
how you feel about that.

Speaker 8 (01:16:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
But that's a trade back scenario of Pennix is there?
I think that might be a great scenario for the Cowboys.
I don't think it's a scenario at all. Sorry, No,
to trade back for another team wanting to move up?
Get a phone right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Oh I thought you said trade back to draft Michael.
It's great if the Cowboys. Yeah, is on the board.
Do you get a call from a team?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
And I would say, just to Brian's point talking about
the the Aaron Rodgers fault, which Stint Rodgers went twenty four,
didn't he Yeah, So, I mean it's the same spot
the the the comp to that for me.

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
Would be Drake May falls to twenty four.

Speaker 9 (01:16:48):
You're talking about a guy who, like Rogers Smith, they
were like right there as number one pick. Pennix is
already a guy who you're talking about might be in
that range is where he's supposed to go.

Speaker 10 (01:16:57):
And you know, he's He's very impressive. I love him.
He's my third rank quarterback.

Speaker 9 (01:17:02):
There's still the question that you have to ask about
his medicals as well, because I mean, the guy has
has had a lot of knee issue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
He has throughout his career. Yeah he has. What do
we got next?

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
What's up? What's that?

Speaker 17 (01:17:14):
Jacob from Killer?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
What's up? Jacob? Okay? So Cooper the.

Speaker 17 (01:17:19):
Best Iowa prospect draft since Kaitlyn Clark, or like Newton,
well done, thank you, thank you? Or Newton is on
the board and that gets Washington to call, or Thomas
is there the wide receiver that gets Carolina to call.
I think that's a team that we haven't talked about

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yet to draft up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Okay, I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:17:44):
I wouldn't trust Deontay Johnson to leave my wide receiver
room in Adam Thielen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I don't know. So, uh they're there.

Speaker 17 (01:17:52):
Would you take the defensive tackle, take an offensive lineman,
or would you try and trade back with one of
those teams that's calling you?

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Depends on what offensive linemen are on the board. But
let's assume Barton and Fatanu they're off the board. I'm
engaging in that call for sure. I think, especially with
the it's Caroline and Washington you did. I think, especially
with the receiver conversation, there's a lot of receiver needy
teams from about twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Eight to thirty eight, and you can get a team
to overpay.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
I think you can get a team to overpay and
jump up to twenty four to go ahead and grab
a Brian Thomas junor or an Xavier Worthy or something
something to that sense.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Any of those players that you would, uh. I mean,
if Barton's not there, I'm certainly open to moving back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
I like Newton. I don't think we've talked a lot
about Newton.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I think Newton you probably don't take considering to your
point with Mazzi, but Aisha, I mean, tell us a
little bit about Newton from Illinois.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:18:44):
That's what I was about to say, though, is like
the reason why he's not getting no love like that
is because Byron Murphy has just taking all of it consistently.
But if you look at just how disruptive he is
off the line of scrimmage. I noticed him last year
when we were looking at the draft. Who's the guy
that got picked up from Illinois last year? Brown Yeah,
it was actually quite a and I noticed him last

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year and he just flies off.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
He just flies up field, strong, heavy hands.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
The thing about it is, like we've talked about it
on the show, is like, yeah, but he's a three
tech technically, you know, or he's one of those guys
and the nose tackle position is something that is I
don't know, it's just hard to come across. So it's
like I wouldn't take him just because he's a three tech,
like we talked about. I have seen Byron Murphy do
some one tech things. I haven't seen Newton have to

(01:19:32):
do that as much, So that would make me a
little bit more hesitant. But him as a pass rusher
is he's he's going to cause some problems.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
This guy's a load to deal with.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
Yeah, he's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
He has a problem because you see him split double teams. Yeah,
you know, you see a guy play with power for
his size, his movements. He's a little bit of a
shorter guy, but he's explosive and they try and double
team him. The next thing, you know, it's a tackle
for the loss. He we we we really haven't given
him the do that he deserves. There. I think there
is some verse statility this guy, you know, because they,

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like I said, they trying to get him in the
running game. He's able to beat blocks at the point
of attack, when he's past Russ stuff, He's able to
get up the field. He could be disruptive in the pocket.
So yeah, Johnny Newton, Illinois, That's that's a guy someone
we're gonna be talking about it on the one of
the nights and when of the afternoons in the draft,
and like he gets picked and we're gonna go, that's
a Dan Webber takes and that's a good patch.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
Murphy are closer than what peeped up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I agree. I don't think some people might have Newton ahead.
I agree, I agree, Yes, sir, Hello Sean former U
and t Eagle. Oh there we go CA last year
down to South Texas. This year, drove up from Portlanwaka
to see you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
Oh, let's so much Calhoun uh San Crab Oh okay, okay, yeah,
there we go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
What's okay?

Speaker 18 (01:20:47):
The first round tackle conversation all had earlier with a
mimes gotten and a subemtia. What is a conversation in
the room with these guys if they don't feel comfortable
out of camp. If Mims are gotten can start week one.
Uh at Sumatilla has guardflex being six or five as
opposed to six to eight. For the two guys who
may like some leverage on the inside, you could let

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the winner take all at left tackle and the other
guy kicks into left guards.

Speaker 10 (01:21:13):
Bobby, Yeah, I mean I think that if.

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
I think that if they were to take one of
those guys, they're doing it with the idea that we're
gonna be ready to go. We're gonna have these guys
ready to roll with us at the start of the season.
So I don't think necessarily they'd be picking based on, well,
what if they're not ready, Like, I don't think it
would be with that in mind. Uh And I though

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if they were to take mems Geiton Suamatia, if they
were to take one of those guys, I think that
if they didn't end up playing right away, it would
be because they had already determined when they picked them
what they were gonna do with their offensive line, and
that they determined it would be Tyler Smith, TJ. Bass, Brock, Kauffman,
and that that was the plan they were gonna have.

(01:21:59):
You got I remember there was there was a lot
of discussion in training camp before Tyron Smith got hurt.
There's a lot of people wondering, Tyler Smith is still
not getting first team reps as a rookie. He was
not He wasn't getting the reps at guard. Yeah, Tyron
Smith was getting attack. It was only after Tyron Smith
got hurt that they went ahead and put Tyler Smith
in there regularly. So they had drafted Tyler Smith seemingly

(01:22:20):
comfortable with the idea that he may not even start
this year. So I think that if they were to
make that decision of you're not starting right away, I
don't know that they necessarily think about it from the
angle of well, what can we get out of him
right now?

Speaker 10 (01:22:33):
What can we do right now?

Speaker 9 (01:22:35):
And so I think that either they're drafting somebody for
what they can be in the future and looking ahead
to their depth and potential holes into the future, or
you know, they're drafting them with a specific idea of
mind if you're playing right now and you're playing here
and yeah, look suamatya, I mean they I think the
fact that he's shown he.

Speaker 10 (01:22:53):
Can play left and right.

Speaker 9 (01:22:55):
Zach Martin talked about this with Tyler Smith that if
you can flip sides, that's a much more differ transition
then bumping inside because a lot of the footwork on
the run blocking is exactly the same, So that doesn't
really have anything that you got to change up, and
so it kind of cuts in half what you have
to learn. So I mean, if they believe that Suamatia

(01:23:15):
could do that, then I think they would well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
And it depends on what you have with Matt will
Let's Go and Awesome Richards as well. These are two
drafted players in the past that you have to see
something out of if you want to see him at
that point. Now, do you expect Awesome Richards and Matt
will Let's Go to magically be healthy and magically be
ready to start going into the year?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
And I think if you're drafting an offensive lineman in
the first round, you expect him to be over those
two guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
But who knows, if they.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Come back and they're healthy and you're able to roll
in the right direction, I think there's a way that
you could see some back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Initially, Yeah, I think in Brian, I know we've talked
about this on the fan because early on I was
arguing with Gavin about this where they that we were
talking about, Okay, if Tyre and we're here right, well,
Tyrone's not, he's a New York Jet. But when you're
drafting in the first round, you're drafting a player that
you hope is a five year member of your team

(01:24:09):
and that you get a second contract on, you're not
necessarily saying, yeah, I've got a massive need right here,
so I need to pull the trigger on the X
player because he fills a need and can plug and play. Now,
you're drafting the best player that's gonna be the best
fit for your team over the course of those five years,
and I do think that Sue Mattia would probably be
a great option because of the position flexibility. To that point,

(01:24:32):
even if it got it's frustrating to the fan base.
You want to see your first round pick play immediately.
If he's not ready, they're not going to put him
out there, and they've got some other options, but it
doesn't change the fact that most likely that guy's playing
and giving you snaps. Because we've seen how difficult it
is to make it seventeen games with a healthy offensive
line throughout the entire season. You need that depth. So

(01:24:54):
eventually that guy will be a starter, hopefully is day one.
If he's not, he's going to give you playing time.
And it doesn't mean that it's a bad for Trump pick.

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Yeah, cheu media DOGA or a first round pick there
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:25:05):
I think I think with with the first round pick,
you have to have the expectation that he's coming in
to give snaps. You have to have that expectation that
there's there's nothing else about it.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
And then that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I can't stand you sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
That's why I have a little bit of pause when
it comes to the Tyler guidance of the Amarus mems.
But I will keep that to yourself next time.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
I just you're gonna blame me too, because I feel
the same way.

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
I don't think I'm going come on, come on, bandwagon,
join the bandwagon.

Speaker 8 (01:25:31):
Got blame you think you have that luxury with where
you are contractually with your quarterback and all this other
stuff going on. And then also to you just this
team's aerial attack was its strength last year and I
just think that if you were talking about left tackle,
I don't want to play around with that at all.

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
And also too. I just think you need contributors right away.

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
With how last year's draft went, I don't think I
think you need to count on those first three guys
giving you something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Do you if they if they were to take Kingsley
so much? Do you not think he plays, Oh, I'm
gonna be happy time.

Speaker 7 (01:26:06):
I think he earns that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
But is it a disappointment if he's not ready to
go day one? Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:26:11):
Yes, okay, especially hey listen, I would I don't know
about other humans. I don't know about other teams, but
this team has people outside. Like we talk about how
much offensive line is just a continued developmental thing. They
have a guy that comes around here often called Duke,
and he gets a lot of these guys. He's a
luxury go as opposed to some of these other offensive linemens,
so he'll get the work he needs. I just you

(01:26:33):
can't you need You need stability there right away to me,
real quickly, just.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
To see how consistent.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Would you categorize Mazzie Smith as a disappointment this past year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Because you didn't play right away? Correct, That's not the
reason he's not a disappointment, but his play on the
field was disappointing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
But if you draft a guy in the first round,
you draft an offensive lineman, you expect him to play initially,
and when he plays well and gives you taped thing
what Mazzie showed me, it's not a disappointment because he
didn't start Week one because you had a guy ready
to rock in Jonathan Hankins.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
But were you not excited about the possibility of Mozzie Smith?
Did you think Mazzie Smith was going to start? Because yeah,
Jonathan Hankins, I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
I agree with you there, but that's when you factor
in that offensive tackle was so much more valuable than
defensive tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
Whereas he when he would needed to be called upon.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Whenever Jonathan Hankins went down, he wasn't ready to fill
that role, right and whereas.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Now if this scenario happened, he wasn't ready to fill
that role, then I'd be upset.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Absolutely, But I think the differences last year you weren't
necessarily drafting for need. This time you are a lot
more so. And I think whenever you're drafted for that
need at there at twenty four, you got to get
an offensive lineman that can come in.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
I know, we got to get to this question. I
think they did draft Mazzie for need. I think we
heard yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
I mean that there was a need obviously, but it's
not as big of a need as you're looking at
right now at twenty four because you look, you look
at all the free agents that have left this offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Oh yes, last offseason, they have to nail the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
We were talking about either defensive tackle or offensive line
at twenty four right up until the end, whereas this
time around, we've been talking about offensive line since the
season ended against Green Bay's like, well, you gotta go
get an offensive linean at twenty four and like the
Audish and Tyrone Smith weren't even out the build yet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
I hear what you say, if, but to me, it
doesn't matter what position you take. If it doesn't start
day one, I don't think it's a It means it's
a bust of a pick. I just want to be
able to contribute at some point and eventually be a starter.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
We're not talking about a bust of a pick here, though,
We're talking about a disappointment, disappointment regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, that's the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
I haven't given up on Mazie either, but disappointing give
day yes or year one yes?

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
I don't think it was usually didn't start week one
for me? God, what I would say question Eric from
Fort Worth.

Speaker 19 (01:28:26):
I know that over the cop overthcap dot Com has
us for three fifth rounders a sixth rounder for next
year for the comp picks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
One of those I know is Tyron Smith based on
his playing incentives?

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
Can that move from a fifth to a four to
a third based on you know, if he's hitting those
game incentives? And then with that, because we have four
comp picks for twenty twenty five, do you'll see us
maybe using potential picks twenty twenty five to hit positions
of need middle rounds because we have so many holes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
You can actually trade those two, which is cool. Yeah. Yeah,
it opens up a lot of options for you. Yeah,
it opens with a lot of options. The part about
the guy at the playtime turns into where he's a
starter and all that stuff like that? Does that I
don't know how that works on that well.

Speaker 9 (01:29:13):
I mean a lot of it's hard to understand because
it's a it's not a public FRA secret. It's it's
not a public formula. I mean, there are parameters that
are issued in the CBA that you can read, you
can see generally how they factor it in, but they
don't give you specific formula of how they come up
with it. That's why teams sometimes maybe expecting, oh, we're
going to get a fourth throw on comp for that guy,

(01:29:35):
and then they find out it's a fifth and so
it's not anything that they would that specifically wouldn't be
like that sort of a specific isn't something that would
be public. I remember reading though, right after that the
assumption was based on history of the way you see
another deals play out, that they don't hit the incent

(01:29:55):
like it's it's got to be whatever the straight read
of the contract is initially rather than potent sentence. But again,
that's very murky and there's not a lot of great
understanding on that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
And they've done that before where they've moved picks. I mean,
Eric Scott Junior is a great example from this past year.
They knew they were going to get a fifth or
a sixth compick at some point in this upcoming draft,
so they moved to pick along to go and get
a guy to go and get Eric Scott Junior. And
that's possible. It goes back to the initial question that
I think we had right at the beginning, where it's

(01:30:26):
depending on the value. Next year's picks are not value
very high on the trade chart per se. But if
you can package a couple of them together, then maybe
you're able to make some moves and go up and
get somebody that you really think is not going to
be there whenever your selection rules around.

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