Draft Show: Accountability Session

The Cowboys have moved on from Mike McCarthy as their head coach. What type of shockwaves could that send through the draft process? Also, hear who the crew got right and wrong from last year's class, along with their 2025 comparisons.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for inseter news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Today is January fourteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are officially.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
One hundred days away.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
From the twenty twenty five NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
The countdown begins and continues fast and furious from this
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We've got Zach Wolchuck Brian brought us, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
As we welcome you in, We've also got breaking news
from yesterday after the show was recorded. Within minutes of
the show being recorded, then the news finally broke that
Mike McCarthy is out as Dallas Cowboys head coach. I
even got a call from Zach Walchuk. You We're like
in the car on your way back to the radio station.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
What just happened? Is this real? Is this real? Well?
Is this real? You confirm? This is this?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
What's happening. It was indeed real and it did indeed happen.
So where does that leave us, Brian whenever it comes
to the NFL draft, how much does that affect things
now that McCarthy is no longer expected to be the
head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, they've Now you turn into the mode of okay,
you have an idea maybe who the next coach will be,
you know, and as a staff, then you have to
go back and then look at these players that I'm
not saying rejected, but maybe when the staff new staff

(01:45):
comes in, you now have to turn around and then
reevaluate players that you put like on a hold list.
And so they won't be able to do anything until
they figure out there the scheme with the coach. So
the you know, now if the Jones family and Will
wants to try and hire somebody similar scheme wise, you

(02:08):
know where before three three four, they they can kind
of adapt to that. They have an idea of you know,
the guys that maybe are on their list, like, okay,
we have to be ready for this. But what they're
going to do is they have a bunch of players
that they put what they call on hold, and so
now you have to go back, and they they give

(02:29):
these players a grade, say they call them a nine,
and so they give them a grade of a nine,
and then all of a sudden, they can go back
and look at all they can pull. Now, with the
way computers are, you can pull all your nine grades
and then say, okay, to any of these guys fit
into the new scheme that we're going to run, or

(02:50):
is it or there's a scheme similar to what we're
going to run and we're not going to need. But
they'll go back and they'll pull all those players. And
once they pull all those players, then they can go
back and determine they don't completely get rid of players.
They put them in that holding area and then you know,
once they know that, okay, here's our scheme. Let's look

(03:12):
at all our players. This fits. Let's bring guys back.
So that's what they're going to be working on right now,
is they're going to try and get an idea of
what direction they're going to go. The front office will say, hey,
here we are, this is likely who the guys we're
talking to. We have to be ready for this scheme,
this scheme and this scheme with these three guys, and
so you know, that just puts the scouts really on

(03:32):
hold right now. They continue to do the stuff getting
ready for the bowl games and stuff, but they just
have to know now that they're going to have to
potentially go and pull those nine players, those nine graded players,
and bring them back to life for potential evaluation going forward.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
I would imagine it makes it more extensive too, because
if you have a head coach in place, you have
a system in place, Yeah, and you look at a player,
you can say, oh, that's not a.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Guy for us.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
That's not Yeah, it could be a guy where like, hey,
that's a good player, but he's not a guy for us.
Now you look at that player even more because you
don't know who the head coaches got. Yeah, circle back
on that guy. So I would imagine there's more work.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
There there, you know. I I've always thought that there
was a way that that these players if they're not
a guy. For example, the Steelers have had three head
coaches in the last you know, if you look at
Chuck Knowle's history Steels, Yeah, Is Cower and Tomlin they've had,
but they've had the same scheme throughout, so their scouts
know exactly the type of players. So that doesn't change

(04:30):
for them.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Baltimore is another one. Yeah, exactly. So see that's where
you're at. Uh. You know, it's not that they reject players.
They'll do the grades. If they go to a school
and they've got ten players at Ohio State, they will
evaluate all ten players. It's not like, well wait a minute,
this guy doesn't fit in our scheme and I'm not
gonna do him. I'm just gonna immediately reject him. So

(04:54):
they have grades on these guys or information on these guys.
But like I said, they give them a knot for
us grade, which you know could be like say it
could be a nine, you still a number. Say it's
a nine, and that means not for us, somebody else.
That's somebody else. Well, now you now you have to
go pull those guys. You just have to sort them
all out and say, Okay, who are all the nine

(05:15):
guys that fit? Because what happens is you get coaches
that are coming here. They're gonna like we play with
press corners, we want length, or we want we are
a coach. No, we play a lot of off coverage.
We don't need length, we need you know, we need
this or you know especial. Hey, this team plays with
this scheme, plays with a defensive plays with a nose
tackle big nose. They no, no, we don't need a

(05:37):
big nose. We need more threes. That's where they're at
right now. They're gonna have to determine which of these
guys now that when they get to the evaluation side
of it, like and they'll be and maybe there'll not
be a ton of guys they bring back, but there'll
be some guys that they that they have in that
holding area. And you know, depending on scheme, they could

(05:57):
very well bring back for evaluation.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
When would you say is the last day that they
need to make a hire before it just becomes too
much work before the draft to to go back and.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Look at everybody.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
You know, I that's scouts are really used to adapting
to whatever they have to do, you know. And I
say that is I can't give you a specific date.
I think that what you want to be able to do, though,
is you know, we've we've seen this go to like
All Star Games. We've seen like coaches you know, get changed,

(06:28):
and all of a sudden we're at the Senior Bowl
and now they're having to answer ask or answer questions
about interviews and stuff. And the Senior Bowl is a
terrible place to go if you have to hire a coach.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
I think that's going to be the reality.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Well, and that's that's what came in my mind, was
like what you like it done by the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, what happens then is like, you know, these guys
here they are trying to evaluate players, and then they're
standing there and then everybody who's out of a gig,
the Chicago Bear guys all, you know, everybody, the Jet guys,
everybody that's out of a gig right now, and some
coach just maybe trying to get back, are going up
to general managers sitting in the stands. Hey, I'm Brian
brought us. Oh yeah, hi Brian, Yeah, oh yeah, Well

(07:07):
hey you know if you need and you know, this
is where I'm at. Da da da da da. And
now you you can't get away from that. You're you're
spending the majority of your evaluation period shaking hands with
Brian Broadest and others that are trying to find jobs
instead of scouting your instead of scouting yeah, instead of yeah,
you're you're now having to and maybe you could set

(07:28):
some things up at your hotel room. You get a suite,
you set some things up and like meetings with this guy.
I mean, but if but these general managers there, if
somebody's hunting a job, the Senior Bowl is a terrible
place to I mean because you can't evaluate. But if
you set things up and do it the right way,
but you can get inundated with guys and gals hunting

(07:50):
jobs and not be able to watch practice and not
know what's going on, like what happened today? Well yeah, okay,
well Cat, I spent spent the first practice today watching
it talking to people about jobs. You know, it could
be a very difficult thing to have.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
To it's the LinkedIn Senior Bowl, but it really is.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean, you know, if you're if you're Jerry Jones
and he does sit in the crowd, yeah, it doesn't
mean Jerry Jones is like every other scout that's there
up in the stands with his guys and gals up there,
and they're sitting up there watching and you know, not
to say that. Everybody goes, you know, hiking up there
and sees Jerry Jones. But if you run into Jerry Jones,
you're going to take an opportunity to shake his hand. Yeah,

(08:31):
you know, that's kind of how this thing works, especially
if you're looking for a job.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So you talked about the adjusting that scouts would have
to do. Yeah, I mean, there's no way that I
didn't answer the next question worth a damn, and I'm
sorry you did your good But you said you said the.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Senior Bowl would be a significant portion. So that's an answer.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, But the way they have to adjust, they're gonna
have to adjust on the fly whatever the draft process brings,
yether it's twenty twenty five or twenty twenty four, whether
you have a head coach or whether you don't. But
there's just a significant and jump in that direction. And Tommy,
I'll allude this to you with what's the biggest adjustment
now not having those head coaches to kind of lean

(09:09):
back on and continue to have those conversations.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
Well, I think it's kind of what Brian was alluding
to in terms of when now you've got to figure
out what your scheme's going to look like. And the
scheme has so much to do with what you want
to do in the draft and especially what you want
to do in free agency.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
We were talking about well in position coaches too exactly.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
And we were talking about this yesterday on our emergency
podcast after they had announced the decision to move on
from Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
Is.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Well, now you've got to find alignment from your front office,
to your coaching staff, to your roster. And I think
that that's maybe part of the shortcomings with Mike McCarthy's
time in Dallas is at times, especially in this twenty
twenty four season, there was an alignment between all three
because there were certain pieces on the roster that Mike
felt like maybe he didn't have control over, and that
just can't happen if the Cowboys want to be serious
playoff contenders. So when it comes to this draft, especially

(09:54):
when you have a team that's been kind of leaning
in what they want to do in free agency and
leaning in how they want to spend their money in
the cap, sometimes you've got to build through the draft,
and so it's important to have you know an idea
of what you're looking for when that Senior Bowl comes around,
because then even if you are having to shake hands
and kiss babies at that point in time, like it's
a job interview, at least you can be like you

(10:16):
can have an idea of what you're looking for instead
of Okay, we're gonna look at those nine guys and
kind of re evaluate.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, see, this is too where you go real quick
if I could Zach, this is where you know, having
like dan Quinn in place gets you dron Blant, right,
you know, having that where dan Quinn was a roll
up his sleeves and go shoulder to shoulder with the
scouts and go out and hit workouts and things like that.
You know, I mean they didn't hit on all the guys.
I mean the Kentucky kids were an Apple absolute disaster.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Joseph, Yeah, Banna.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
And oh yeah they had they've had some problems there
and so yeah, but that's going to happen along the way.
But they did. You know, you're not going to be
able to you you have an idea. When you have
dan Quinn and Joe Witt and others in the building,
you're able to go and look at Deron Bland at
Fresno and kind of figure out, Okay, this guy, this
guy that fits for.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Us is in Brian. Since you've been around it, run
under aft yourself and have been around different organizations and
see how they do it is that more important here
in Dallas, that continuity and the communication. It seems like
the catball dry or so than any other team might
like that with their coaching staff, them being involved, them saying, hey,
this is what I want a player, this is what

(11:24):
I'd like to do here, Whereas I mean maybe in
Green Bay maybe that was something with Mike McCarthy wasn't
used to that in Greenland.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh no, he.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Comes to Dallas. Now, Will mcclay's like, hey, what do
you think you know?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
And this is new.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
This is kind of a learning and just not every
team operates that way, but for the Cowboys might be
more important than the other thirty one teams to get
that coaching staff in place so they can get that
communication with the scouts on what they want, what they're
looking for.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, these head coaches, Mike McCarthy did not when he
walked through the door in Dallas. He was like, whoa,
I get to have a say in this. Teddy Thompson,
you know, they talked to the coaches and stuff like that,
but not to the extent that a lot of teams do.
And so yeah, it's it's really this This organization thrives
on communication as far as having opinions, you know. I

(12:08):
mean that's why I think some of the reasons why
it takes him so long to make a decision, because
they do solicit opinions, you know, and and that can
kind of slow you down a little bit. But you know,
having having that the head coach every every you know,
when I worked in the front the scouting department here,
whether you're Dave Campbo or Chan Gaily or Bill Parcells,

(12:31):
it doesn't matter. If you want to take an active
role in personnel, the Joneses will allow you to do that.
As a head coach, I thought Jason Garrett was an
outstanding evaluator. I think a lot of it had to
do with sitting with his dad every day. Yeah, Jim
at times was very very good. But I think that
there's some coaches that have an eye for this and
there's sums that are not. John Gruden is one of

(12:52):
my best friends. John Gruden is a terrible evaluator. I mean,
if he if he were to be the head coach here,
I would my suggestion would be, don't let John help
you pick the players, you know. But Johnson. John's a
good football coach. But there's certain guys that have the
ability to evaluate from that coaching position.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So with McCarthy moving on, Nick, how does that affect
Will McClay now, Because whether it was their relationship or
the contract that in question moving forward, there was always
a little question mark around will McClay following this year
in his future in Dallas? Does this affect it one
way or the other at all?

Speaker 6 (13:32):
I don't think necessarily.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
No.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
There's not a ton of GM openings this cycle, and
even with the ones that are open, mcclay's name hasn't
been thrown around, so I think McClay was staying Regardless,
I think the long term of McLay is now probably
a bigger question than the short term and how much
say does he have in the next choice And if
he's a big voice in that room, then that probably

(13:54):
tells you the long term security of him here in Dallas.
But if they bring in a guy and it's like, hey,
he will introduce you here to Doug Peterson or whoever,
then I think that kind of tells you long term
kind of what the vision is as far as Will
mcclay's role not only in this building but front office
specifically when it comes to making decisions.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, that's interesting because when you look at the draft process,
he's kind of the head honcho.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Right, he does it. He's done a damn good job.
And you know, and we always talk about the triangle.
The jones is being on top of the triangle, the
scout's being on one point, and then the coaches on
the other point, and Will is in the middle, in
the middle of the storm, and he does a really
good job of navigating that. These coaches get mad at
the scouts, the scouts get mad at the Joneses, the
Joneses are mad at the coaches. Will does a really

(14:38):
good job of making sure that that being mad stays
in that room and it doesn't go outside that room.
He's done an excellent job of putting together these boards
and you have to give him a lot of credit
because there were some times where you know, and I
love Tom Saskowski and you know, Jeff Ireland I worked
with here, and you know, those guys very qualified guys.

(15:00):
But when you're not able to control all three parties,
you're not going to have much success here. This is
just the way that they operates. It's unique to any
other organization you'll ever be in, and ever work in.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So Mike McCarthy and the ripple effects will be felt
until they fill in a potential suitor.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, but the scouts, the scouts will be ready to go.
They've got their nine guys what I'm calling them nine guys,
the guys that they need to potentially bring back. And
you know, like I say, the Joneses, Steven will be
communicating to Will, Hey, these are the coaches we're looking at.
And then okay, now it turns into let's meet about
these schemes. You know, what are these coaches? What are

(15:41):
they going to like? And then you kind of try
and get ahead of the game that way. All right,
let's take our first break.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
When we come back, I want to do a little
accountability session. I want to talk about the twenty twenty
four draft.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
So what did you get right?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
So we'll go good, we got good?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
It was all wrong?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And then what to do is bad in terms of
your draft evaluation last year? And then if you have
a comparison of this year's draft class, we could share
that as well, kind of similar prospects in the same area.

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Dallas Cowboys dot com. All right, I want to talk
about accountability, Brian. You always have to learn from your

(18:59):
mistakes and you got to learn from your successes. At
the same time, I've got two guys. I want two
guys from you, guys and the evaluation that you had
last year.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
That you got right, and I want two guys that
you got wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And this could be either be either mean you were
over evaluating under evaluating and.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Then they ended up being one way or the other. Nick.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'll start with you because I know there are a
couple of names that Cowboys and Draft show fans are
waiting to hear.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, and there's one that I definitely have to have
to jump out with right off the top, and it's
Bo Nix and mister Nicks, I request your apologies. I
had them number seventy seven on my board last year.
I just I thought, a surprise, you'll at him that high.
Honestly me too. It was I just checked it and
I was like, wow, really that doesn't sound right.

Speaker 10 (19:45):
But I.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
Thought his ceiling was limited.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
I thought he had hit that ceiling in college with
all the experience that he had now granted, whenever he
got drafted to the Broncos on draft night, that was
the first time I.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Was like, oh, I'm gonna end up being wrong here,
aren't I.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Because it just makes sense him and Sean pay and
that's a that's a good marriage and it worked out.
So Bo Nicks, that's probably my first wrong. You want
me to go all the way through here, Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah, do your two wrongs and then we'll come back around.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
I'll go wrong, right, Okay, Okay, two rocks, two wrongs.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Shoot, I just had him and I closed out of it.
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna go all right, sorry, Okay,
that's off the page here, all right. My number one
corner on my board, my number eight overall player, Quinon Mitchell.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
And I, uh he was.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
He's a He was the third place guy for corner
for All Pro listing, so he just missed out being
on an All Pro team. Playing with the Eagles this
last year, I really slammed the table for Quannon Mitchell,
so I'm I'm glad it worked out for him.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
Number eight overall player on my board.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Give me one in the other Brian one right, one wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I was completely right about Brock Bowers. I had him
as the sixth best player on my board at year.
I was completely wrong. Much like with Nicks, I was
wrong about Drake May. Oh, Drake May. I had Drake
May at twenty eight, but should have been a lot higher.
We all had those those defensive linemen all shoved up there.

(21:09):
Actually those offensive tackles, excuse me, they were all kind
of shoved up at the top of the board. I
think that the guy to me because, like I say,
when you start to talk about where Drake May or
Nicks should have been. I had Dallas Dallas Turner the
Alabama edge at twelve. That's a wrong yep, right there,
So I mean as you had him that high, yeah,

(21:31):
that's where I had him. So I felt like that
for the most part, these quarterbacks, I kind of missed
on them that way. I did the rally with my
quarterback though, I had Jane Daniels at four, so you know,
kind of you know, you kind of got it. You know,
you're some of these are going to be good. Also,
Brian Thomas was another one that I had right on
my board as well, so you know that LSU. But

(21:54):
these I have a really good feel for these receivers,
you know when they come out and what they can do.
But those two quarterbacks straight May and bo Nicks, I
did not give them nearly enough credit in this coming
up this pass draft.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
M h, what do you think, Zach right, I think
we could go with Cooper Bebe. That one ended up
hitting pretty hard there here locally in Dallas. He's your
starter for the next decade. And he definitely is a
guy that slid in at center and was pretty good
as a rookie. Do I still think as a guard
the dude could end up being an All pro I
do as a center, I think he's going to be

(22:26):
a good steady player for you. There were moments, I
think we all like some of the penalties, a couple
of snaps went a little bit high, But overall, for
a rookie center who played the position for his first year,
I think Cooper Bebe was a big time hit. You
guys know my affinity for him. In last year's draft,
just to.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Back you up, of all rookie offensive linemen with at
least four hundred snaps, he had the second lowest pressure rate.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
That's amazing. That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I actually I think Barton was up there as well.
I mean Barton, I had him really really high and
he ended up having a good year.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Could you have gone Cooper and Cooper? Did you? Where'd
you have Cooper?

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Did Genen?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I had twentieth best player?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, there you go. You see? To me, was that's
a that's a right? I know I had him at
twenty nine. He was one of the guys I was
considering as a right. Yeah. With being at twenty nine,
it was.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Tough because the secondary player I missed the most on
was probably Bullock from USC who ended up having a
fantastic with the Texans. The thing for me was I
wanted to playim at corner. I thought with his size,
his ball skills, I was like, you know what, I
don't know that I want to playhim at safety. I
thought he looked way too skinny. I didn't love his
ability to be able to fill and get physical in

(23:32):
the run. He had a hell of a year. I
mean the ball skills translated. I saw that autely and
so that like I didn't get the evaluation completely wrong,
but I had him way too low. Ninety seventh best player,
and he was on a lot of all rookie teams
when you look at it, like at least a second
team member. He was a fantastic player this year. No,
that's a good one, Tommy. Do you want to go
with yours?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
So I wasn't on the draft show obviously last course,
but scouts on are here in terms of what.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's just not on recording. It's right exactly.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
I was right about Mike Sayners still from Michigan. I
thought he played really well in Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Nick, were you right about about to talk about it?

Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, but Mike Sander's still from the corner, the slot
corner from Michigan who played really well for dan Quinn
and that off and that defense excuse me out in
Washington this year. He was one of those guys where
and Nick and I have talked about this a couple
of times when we've watched guys even this year, where
you just watch defensive backs play and you feel you
kind of say to yourself, like, man, it seems like
Sander Still is making every single play when it comes

(24:28):
his way. And there's a couple of guys in this
class too that I think that of as well. So
Mike Sander Still was one of the brock Bowers And
that's kind of a layup. Yeah, really since his true
freshman season in Georgia, incredible play. Bowers could have gone
bro and the dude is just ridiculous. So he's going
to be an All Pro contender for the rest of
his career.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think, well, you're saying no, no, you're good, keep going,
keep going on.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
The flipping over to the wrongs ad and I Mitchell
from Texas breaks my heart.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
He copy my paper over here, Mitchell, Ye tell me
you're not alone.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I had Mitchell at twenty one on my.

Speaker 7 (24:59):
Book I thought Mitchell should have gone before Worthy. I
thought it was the better of the two wide receivers
out of Texas that year.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
I don't think you were alone and that we're going.
I know I missed on him as well.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
He was just fantastic at Texas when you look at
the fifty to fifty balls and some of the stuff
he was able to do.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Was it banged up?

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Did he not play a whole lot or it wasn't
a banged up situation. It was just just him not
being able to get on the field. I had him
forty one in the end, but I remember dropping him
like the week of the draft because of character concerns.
So I forget where exactly I had him, but I
probably would have had him in that twenty ish range.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I do remember the character concerns being a conversation. That's yeah,
that's unfortunate because he was a good player of college.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
What were your other one?

Speaker 8 (25:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (25:37):
My last wrong was Jade and Daniels. I thought this
was going to be just a complete whiff and yeah,
that was that was really bad.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Sorry, Daniels.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
I wasn't skilled and I'm sold now, so I apologize.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I thought Jada Daniels was Anthony Richardson, So I was
wrong on him too, Sorry.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
Bobby, I just saw I just saw one one too
many of those like looney tunes asque hits college where
he would get hit and the ball would fly fifteen
yards of the year, he's doing a backflip after the contact,
and I was just like, I don't know if he
can get hang around.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Nailed pretty good the other night.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, college, he's done a good job.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
At avoiding those. You guys have Michael Pennix.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I had Pannis fifty two.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
I didn't love him.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I liked Penix. He was my third quarterback. But I
had him at thirty.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I had him at oh Man, I was really high
on Pinix. I had him at fourteen.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Well, I him at twenty.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Yeah, I had him.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Think about that. How about the Nate Wiggins has shown
up to the Clemson twive corner.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, and this is honestly a little surprising for me,
just because of how slender he is. You factor, and
then he went to the Ravens. They're so great at
developing skins of backs. Yeah, it makes sense why he
had a good year.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But I aim at fifteen, I was kind of thinking
and okay, somebody tell me how Byron Murphy played.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Eh, I can give you some. He was up and down.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
He didn't get on the field a ton.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
It could compare to other some of these other round
guys like Jerzon Newton had a lot time, a lot
more time I had.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I had Murphy ahead of Newton. Same.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Byron Murphy played four hundred and fifty snaps. I mean
he played. He had twenty one pressures, one sack, twenty
one tackles as well.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
So okay, fourteenth overall player, probably not.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I had him at nine. I had him even higher
than you did. But Fisk I hit on. I had
Fisk at twenty six. That's a good one. And he
was brilliant.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean this.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
He he led all rookie de alignment fifty one pressures
on the year. I mean, fist to me seemed like
an easy, easy one to look at and be like,
this dude's going to be a bad.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I got one more for you, huh. I got one more?
And and where I have him is I don't know
if it's right. And I think you should be a
lot higher about Jared Verse from four to stay teen.
What did you have at fifteeneen eighteen. I'm at ten.
Should have him at like you should have had him
at three, top five seriously fourteen. And you know who
Jared versus in this draft? That Carter kid from Penn State.

(27:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, if you want to, if you want
a comparison of again, think.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Carter's got a little bit more finesse. That's no discredited verse.
I just think he has more power. But it's it's
seeing your first live was eye opening for me.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Ramp practice. Yeah, Houly Cheeves, I'm like, all right, how
why did I not have this guy high?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You and I were on the in the middle of
training cap live. We were on training can a guy
and almost cussed on the microphone. It's like, like had
to stop from.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Whenever we were in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
He was incredible.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Last last name of it. I could throw around Latimerconkey.
Where'd you guys?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Oh Conky? I was.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I was trying to get mccaky in the first round.
I had him at twenty eight, I had him in
the second. I had a twenty nine overall.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Oh let me look at that. A second round it's
not going to be where it needs to be.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, I had hibout thirty six and he probably shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I had Ricky Pearsaw like it's sixty one, so I
have way down there and I like Pearsaw more than McConkie,
and I bet you I have am. It's getting bad
now I'm going down the list.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's getting bad way back see.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And this is what's fun about reliving all of this,
this work that did last year.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
You know Bucky Irvin, Yeah, Bucky was one of my
definitely hit Bucky was definitely one of you didn't talk
about him. I know I didn't. Well, I was circling
back for the one right, one wrong. But yeah, Bucky
Irving that that was one that I slammed the table
for hard. I was hoping this team picked him, but
he had a good year.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
The one guy that I'm proud of that I got
right is Dominic Pooney, the guard from UH that ended
up in San Francisco. He was out of Kansas.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I had a second round grade for him for him
and initially people wanted to put him a tackle.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I wanted to move him to guard.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
He ended up being a top ten Pro Football Focused
grade among all roles.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Wait Man, I didn't have him bad I did forty
five Poony Nony Honkey.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, oh you just missed him.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, it's forty five.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Could have been a little bit.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I had him right right behind fist.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
You were like eighty eighty one.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Oh no, I I we needed to jump both those guys.
But how did Shaydon Hicks? How did Jaydon Hicks from
Washington State to safety play?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Mmm?

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Great quid. I don't even remember where he got drafted.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Man, that I know.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
My guy Bullard did start with Kansas City.

Speaker 12 (29:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
He played three hundred and thirty snaps Ryan back half
the beer, mostly free all right, I didn't really do
much number yeah forty third player right there.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think the two guys consensuously. We can all take
a victory. Lap on was Peyton Wilson. Yes, he's good.
And then when we got to see is Garndo, I
felt like he was a darling in the Disip show.
We all liked him.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Is Grendo performed.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah he was good and shout out to Ray Davis
with the bills.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I had him at one o seven on Ray Davis.
I remember that one.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
I was eighty nine on Ray Davis. I had a
little crush on him.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Matt Gonsalvez, the guard from pitt That was a thirty
visit guy.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
And then what about Max Melton. I know you guys
were high on him.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I was not.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I had him wrong the corner I had a fourth Yeah,
he was corner ten for me. He was a fourth
round grade. He ended up starting and playing six hundred
total snaps said, wow, a lot of time with Arizona's
had fifty nine. Yeah, I see, I had him in
like the one twenties.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I had him at one thirty. I was not a fan.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, okay, so you same boat flagged all the time.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
At the next level, he was a grabber.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
I don't think he got flagged a ton.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So we'll see.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Oh, I think I maybe found my biggest miss.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh what was it?

Speaker 6 (30:59):
N oh no, Kai Corley? Who Yeah, this one, this
one's wrong.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Would you have him?

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well?

Speaker 5 (31:05):
I just had him at forty four and he had
three receptions for sixteen yards this year. But also he
played for an awful franchise.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
So in that one play where he fumbled in the
or did he drop the ball at the goal line
right before his career touchdown.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Well, Javon Baker, the touchdown maker, didn't make us really good.
I had him at seventy one.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't think that guy.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Had a catch mate.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
You just take all that UCF love and bottle it
up into r J.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Harvey. Yeah it is r J.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Harvey.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you a cowboy draft pick
that made me look bad is Mary's Leafol. Yeah that's fair,
I mean, if you want to. I mean I was
not too particularly happy with when Mary's Leafol got picked.
I'm looking my top two on my Would you have
him at fifteen? Yeah, so you know, yeah, that's that's
a bad miss.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I had him at ninety five, so I felt pretty
good about that one. Ben Sanat was one that I
had really high. I had him as a top sixty player.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
He finished with five catches for twenty eight yards for Washington.
I was pretty low on him just because I didn't
know where to play.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
But TJ.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Tampa, I was super high one and I don't know
what he did this year. I had at thirty seven
on my board. TJ.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Tampa.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, top second round corner, right behind the top three
guys Arnold Mitchell and.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Iowa State kid. Right he played. I loved TJ. Tampa.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
TJ Tampa played a total of eighteen snaps.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Oh jeez, yeah, that's that's right.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
He was still holding out hope for our guys.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Okay, we like our guys, all right, fun exercise. If
you guys did your own research last year, tweet at us,
let us know who were your rights and who were
your wrongs?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Who'd you hit on? Who did you miss on?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It is we got a lot of work left to
do going into the draft. Well, because of that, we've
got some names that have recently declared for the draft.
I want to talk through a couple of these names,
including one that played quarterback in the Cotton Bowl recently,
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Speaker 4 (35:37):
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Speaker 3 (35:42):
I know We had this discussion yesterday about Walker, the
edge rudger rusher, a scout that listen to our show.
It's not a scout from this football team, scout from
another team. We love you. And he got into our
discussion about Walker that we thought he was an edge
and this is his area, and he said, he goes listen.

(36:02):
I like this kid a lot, super kid. He's an
inside linebacker for me on first and second down and
a sub sub put wherever you want. Can't live with
him as a full time edge rusher. And I said,
not an edge. Get too warred down, was my question
to him. And he said too short. He's six oh
one four. He just will get outsized. He's a chess piece.

(36:25):
Is what you would do? He said. You know, he
was talking about that move him around like what they
do with my kid kind of thing. But he says,
if you play them at full time edge, he felt
like that he would get really worred down his game.
So I like, I say, he was just driving around
listening to our show and because he said, hey, I
heard you guys were talking about Walker, and this is

(36:47):
what I this is how I would look at it. Now,
we could all say no, he's an edge and all that,
but it is an interesting thing to think about him
being six to one and a half sure, and maybe
playing full time edge if that's what we think.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Saw him person yesterday and the length was the lack
of length was something I know. Okay, So I was like, okay,
he's he looks a little slender. There's not a ton
of length there. Let me wait a couple of weeks,
like let his body get back from bouncing back from
the season and let me reevaluate there. But I do
like his lower half. But I was I didn't notice
that his length wasn't what I thought.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I just wondered, like, when there's several guys like that
that we're going to look at. Because you watch him
play at George, there's no question he can rush the past.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Oh yeah, but do.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
You want him doing it full time? I think that's
something now that we and you know what if he
might be a guy at twelve that this football team
would consider, you know, I mean, so I think you
have to study up on really we need to dig
a little further what other teams or maybe what this
what this team, what this team is thinking about him
as an edge because I know, I popped in and

(37:49):
you guys caught me and I went edge, and I'm like,
you know, and then but we you and I talked
about it.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
We've just because I think he's an edge. I don't
see the athleticism to be able to play off ball
in the NFL. Right, But you did argue you wanted
him as a linebacker.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I thought initially as a linebacker, but I didn't think
of it for the reasons that this scout told me
for Yeah, you know, I was. I just was thinking, well,
I mean, off ball linebackers seems to kind of work out.
But I just wanted to present that after yesterday. But
shout out to the scout that listens to us as
he's driving around.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
No, and that's super insightful. If you guys hear anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I mean, it's always good to share because now that
information's out there, we need.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
To figure out how cowboys evaluate him. We need to
think about, you know, through our back channels or whatever
we have to do. Are you looking at Walker as
a linebacker or are you looking at him as an edge?

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Well, the Cowboys need to figure out what the Cowboys
are evaluating exactly.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's a good one, all right, some of these guys
that are working their way out. I teased Quinn yours
and what he brings as a quarterback prospect in this class. Tommy,
you spend some time covering Quinn throughout his career. Where
does he fit in this quarterback class? Because it's not
a strong quarterback class to begin with. I think we've

(39:04):
all kind of agreed on that there are some names
at the top, but it's not necessarily the same depth
of quarterback class that we've talked about in the past.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Where would you put ers at this point in time?

Speaker 7 (39:15):
Yours is around QB three QB four for me in
this draft, and I think part of that is a
testament too. It's not necessarily the strongest class. But this
is a guy that I've watched. I've watched every start
of his since his freshman season at Texas, and you
look at the touch that he's able to put on
some of these balls, and how just easy he makes
it look in terms of the motion and getting the
ball out of his hands. He can operate an RPO offense,

(39:39):
and you know, he's made some wild plays over the
course of his career. The only problem is when he
gets pressured, he turns the stone. It's almost like everything
collapses in front of him and he doesn't know what
to do. Sometimes he did a better job, I think
this last year of stepping up at certain points, but
then you know he's got the ankle injury and the
oblique injury, and so I think once those things happened
later on in the season as the progressed, he was

(40:01):
a little bit more hesitant to step up really confidently.
I thought the best tape that he put out was
against Michigan back in the Week two. He was slinging
it all over the field.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Gunner heelm touchdown pass.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
Was beautiful, beautiful, and he's had a lot of those
thrills where it's good touch, it's into a tight window,
and he's able to make those wild plays. But at
the same time, it's that pocket presence that worries me.
And there are still sometimes where you just kind of
scratch your head with some of the decisions that he makes.
But all in all, I think that there's a lot
that you can work with there. I just think that
he needs time. Throughout his entire career, Cooenewers has kind

(40:32):
of rushed himself into everything you think about from high
school going to Ohio State, he leaves his senior year,
so he goes a year early, one of the first
big nil names once that became legal, and doesn't work
out there, so he comes to Texas. He's instantly thrown
into the fire, and he's tasked with basically rejuvenating a
program that had been in the dumpster for the better
part of two decades. And I think he would greatly

(40:55):
benefit from sitting down and if he finds the right fit,
from just sitting learning the offense, getting the time to develop,
work out those things that need to get worked out,
whether it be pocket presence, whether it be I'm not
saying he has bad football IQ, but decision making, and
then I think he can develop into a pretty song.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
You think he sees the field well or is that
an issue? And I wonder this because I watched bo
Nix at Auburn look awful, and then I watched him
go to Oregon and it seemed like he got things
kind of turned around. But I wasn't as high on
him as I needed to. But if it is Quinn,
does his problem seeing the field or is it just

(41:34):
that that he just doesn't have a feel for how
to move to keep his eyes down the field.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
I think it's the movement problem that he doesn't. He
doesn't quite get how to.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Move around on the pot. Joe Burrow will duck, you
see Joe Burrow duck. Yeah, fields it and he'll he'll
compress and then kind of find his way out of
it and then make a throw.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
He may have the best pocket presence in the NFL,
though he might Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, that's like a high X. Seriously. I mean he'll
put both hands of the ball and just dip his
shoulder and the kind of find a way to get
through and then he ends up on the other side.
And I just wonder with yours, it seems like when
the pressure is on him, and I wonder if it's
just he's too locked on to what's going on down
the field. You know, that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
When he gets a little happy feet and that's where
you see the balls start to sail on him a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
And the footwork has been an issue since day one
with yours. Is that's something His feet have rarely been
set on some of these bad throws that you see,
and it is a real problem his freshman season where
he would just be all over the place and sure
you would get those wow throws like, oh my god,
how did he get that all the way down the field?
Then he has some plays where he's just throwing it
right to a defender. So coachable guyutely absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,

(42:43):
there's without no question there, and he'sn.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Some success with those guys in the league, right Yeah.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
And I think if we're talking about the mental aspect too,
I think this is a guy who doesn't get enough
credit for being a good leader. You think about the
stuff that was thrust on this guy's shoulder with Arch
Manning sitting right behind, and you're kind of knocking on
that door, and he's still got guys to come and
play for him, and he still operated the Steve Starcasian
offense really well. Again, there's gonna be a lot of
work that has to be done for it to translate

(43:10):
to the NFL. But back to your question, Yeah, I
think movement in the pocket is what is where it
stands because it's got the length of that bottom half
doesn't have as much of that, and the duck and
turning all.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
That seems stiffers, Yeah, really stiff in your pocket.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
If that happens, he just collapses and he just takes
the sack.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
And the injuries.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Like he had a year season where he's been healthy.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Not since his sophomore year of high school. And he
took a hit while he took a hit.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
From Dallas Turner in his sophomore year in the second
game of the season that I think changed how he
how he handles pocket pressure, and I don't feel like
he's ever handled pressure the same since then.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
That guy's a bust, So we can't miss right talk
about it.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
It was in the second quarter and he uh, he
got hit on a first it was a first and
goal and they dropped back to pass change the whole game,
and it changed the whole game. And maybe he's landed
on his AC joint, but he's dealt with an O
bleach strain, ankle spread and a C joint in both shoulders.
Uh sports hernia growing injury in high school that kept
him out for most of his senior year. But yeah,

(44:08):
injuries are a concern. But I uh I commed him
to uh, I camped him to brock Party in the
sense that he uh, if he finds the right fit,
then it could work out for him, especially if he
has weapons, and I think he gives you enough to
uh be able to work with. I mean when you
talk about his touch, his arm angle, precision decision making

(44:28):
when he's not under pressure, I think he's QB two
in this class. But you take you factor everything in.
I have him at QB seven.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Where should we have draft drafted brock Party? Who is that?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Who was in that class?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
I'm saying round brock Party went to irrelevant, irrelevant to
should have went first round pick, should have been a
first round pick. Right.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Let me look at the other quarterbacks and one.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
That I think the perfect fit for Quinn is is
the Rams. I think if he can go to a
place like like Lost of Love, work under McVeigh and
take a couple of years behind Matthew Stafford, I think
that'd be the perfect fit for Quinn.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
You were Here's the other quarterbacks in that draft class
with Brock Purty, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, Matt Carrall, Carson Strong,
Sam Howe, Desmond, Ritter Bailey, Zappy, Jack Cones, Skyler Thompson, E. J. Perry.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
You get the point. Oh my, he should have gone.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
He's been the first off ahead of Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I wonder how the Steelers should be feeling right now
if they had rock Perty that would be and well
it would have been Yeah, it would have been Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
When I think the thing about the fact that that
Quinn Ewers has played in a lot of similar with
brock Purty. I mean, brock Purty was four your guy, right,
I mean all those starts that he got, and you
kind of like Iowa State, You're thinking, oh, I got
a couple of guys, had a runner, they had a receivers.
I mean, they've had some guys. But man, I mean
it's not a star studded lineup by any means that guy.

(45:49):
But he played a lot of games, got a lot
of experience, won a lot of games. Yeah, that's very similar.
I think that's a really good comparison Quinn yours. No,
I like it a lot.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I just don't like his decision making.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
He was offered a scholarship to North Texas in the
eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
And he turned it down. I think that's a bad decision.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, he could have taken it. He would have at
least at least a national championship if he would have
gone there, all right, some of the other names that
have recently declared Nick Emon Worri from South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Safety, Yeah, I'm glad that you've brought him up. Okay,
what do you want to you?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Why do you go so this this guy.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
I was wondering what everyone else thought about him because
I'm watching him and I'm like, Okay, dude looks like
an NFL safety. He's checking off all the physical boxes.
He moves pretty well.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I like the.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Backpedal, he's smooth. And then I'm watching him come up
and run support or just any time a play is
leaking out towards him, and I'm seeing a bit of
a timid guy. Oh no, a guy that doesn't really
want the smoke when it comes to contact. Now, he's
going to be Senior Bowl invite and uh, you know
he he he played middle linebacker in high school, so
I didn't anticipate watching his film and thinking like the

(46:57):
physical aspect of it would be a question clear communicator
in the secondary. I mean, he's getting everybody lined up.
He's an interchangeable safety. I think he can play both
strong and free. Good feel for zone coverage. Most of
his interceptions came in zone coverage where he's dropping off.
But I just didn't see a very physical player. I
wanted more violence at the strike point. I want him

(47:18):
to come up and hit somebody. That's the difference between
him and Malachi Starks. I saw a lot of Twitter
scouts for trying to compare the two. That's what sets
them apart from me. Malachi Starks. Now, there are some
games first half against Alabama, and then when you watch
him against Notre Dame, there are times where he can
miss some tackles, can take some poor angles. I don't
think he's a surefire perfect prospect, but there's a big

(47:38):
gap between Starks and the way he comes up and
runs support and em and wary from South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
From me, I'd take exavier wats of Notre Dame over
this cat. I agree, I mean, and I think, well,
I think he nailed this guy, the South Carolina kid,
because there's snaps, you see him take poor angles, he'll
overrun the ball, the size of the frame. I mean,
he should be a much better time, but that will
come and go with and the length. But he needs

(48:05):
to get some of this area of his game buttoned up.
You should be more of a force, but he really
struggles with that at times. And I at six three
two twenty seven, my gosh, he he has that that
look of a guy that should be playing a lot better.
But I'll I'll take I'll take Exavier watch from Notre
Dame over this guy all day. Watch it.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
He was going to be a Senior Bowl guy.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Yeah, yes, he's a senior bol watching the the Texas
A and M game or South Carolina upset them and
uh if you want to call an upset and uh
in Columbia, I fell in love with them and worry.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
I think with his size he can move so well.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Oh yeah, so you can quest his hips like.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
He's six foot damn there, five to ten. Yeah, throw
him at free I don't need him to tackle. I
just need him to use that length fit in the
way of passing.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
And you know what, that's where I talking about accountability.
I was wrong about Bulock on that I cared more
about how would he do physically in the run. Maybe
I shouldn't care as much if you're going to play
him in free safety, because he does have the ability
to do that.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
He liked his footwork a lot.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
I did, I see.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I kind of felt like that. It was a little
bit all over the place with him. And like you said,
I didn't think he was the smoothest when it came
to backpedaling. I thought it was because he's a big guy.
Maybe it does for his size. First size. Okay, I
see what you're doing. Okay, ball skills are really really good. Though,
he's got the he's got the ability with the ball
skills to compete on the back end, for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
But what about Jahad Campbell, another guy that you've probably
gotten a chance to watch so far.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Any of those names stick out?

Speaker 7 (49:30):
Yeah, he sticks out to me. I think he's as
one of the best linebackers in this class. The guy
from Alabama fifty five tackles for them this year. It's
a kind of top heavy class. I think Barrett Carter
from Clemson the other guy who has been around an
interesting name too to add to that, Smile London from Georgia.
But no, I like Johad Campbell a lot. I think

(49:51):
he's one of the better guys.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I have to say his name, smile, smile.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
Smile like it's not s M I L E.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
It's s M A E L.

Speaker 10 (50:00):
They art.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
That's how I've heard it.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Pronounce on the.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Broadcast before interesting, Man, we're in trouble.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
I'll tell you what about John Campbell.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Well, we'll figure it out eventually, had some time.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I'll still get it wrong.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
U John Campbell tackling machine always finds himself at the ball. Physical.
He'll uh, he'll get you. He'll he'll get a couple
of flags because of how physical he is. But I'll
take that.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
He had an Auburn game that I called and one
of them was unnecessary roughness on a defenseless receiver.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yeah, dude, I mean there was.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That might have been the loudest hit I've ever heard
in stadium. And the windows were closed in front of me.
That's it was an unbelievable almost physicality. You could have
really really physical lineback.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
That was number say this though. Yeah, the thing about
me is, I mean he is a great looking kid.
You guys are right about physically, when he runs under blocks,
he'll get under into trouble. So keep an eye on
as you're watching the tape, You're like, man, I'm seeing
him like it seems like he's kind of running under
him and then the ball goes was the opposite direction, man,
But he is he could be a force. I mean
he's got some pop, he knows how to play coverage.

(51:07):
This an interception he makes in the Georgia game that's
really really pretty.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
So this year had five sacks. Yeah, he had half
a sack the first two years. Maybe maybe he showed
a little bit of that question he's got. I like
the growth there. I mean he finally showed some past
six three. Oh no, he could say one he can
set the edge. Yeah, he can set the edge. So
I that's a that's a possibility there with him. He's

(51:33):
got so much downhill ability that I really liked. But
it was I went to yeah, situation, edge, play off ball, Okay,
I got you.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Yeah, stilling the question out there.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, just dropping a little last one of the recent
commitments Jalen Kimber.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Yeah, a Mansfield kid ended up going to Penn State.
And I love what he brings at the corner position.
And I think he's going to be a guy that
rises during the draft process. He's got the ideal builds
size that you want at corner. I love his coverage
ability when you look at you know, some of these
games at Penn State has played against good passing offenses

(52:14):
this past season, you typically find Jalen Kimber around the ball,
or excuse me, you typically find Jalen Kimber not around
the ball because they're not throwing it to him.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I like Jalen Kimber.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
I think this is the guy you're not hearing about
right now, but you're going to as the process goes on.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
That's a good name to keep an eye on. I
had him lay down the list. I haven't looked at
him yet.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Bobby was right about that linebacker from UCLA by Oh,
he's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Did you watch him last night?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, what did you think about him?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah? I'll tell you what. This gives a walk on
real quick. And he doesn't have a lot of bulk.
He's how do you pronounce his last name? Sweet?

Speaker 4 (52:45):
That's another to let me see if I can get
a sneer sweat sweat swassengers swsternger. Yeah, sweassengers sweatnger.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
He's Carson Swetsinger from UCLA six two two twenty five.
This guy doesn't miss tackles. He had one hundred and
fifty three of him and I was watching this game
USC Fresno Washington. He is really really impressive because he
plays down. He'll like say he was a walk on
and he got a scholarship because he's a really good
special teams player. He had four sacks. Bobby's like, I

(53:14):
found I found my overshown and I'm like, yeah, sure right,
you found over shown. Bobby's not wrong. This guy is
high IQ, high intensity. He does a great job as
rushing the passer. He sniffs out blocking assignments and stuff
like that, and he's right there. So yeah, keep an
eye on keep an eye on this kid from from UCLA.

(53:35):
As far as a linebacker that can play off the ball,
can pass rush, play special teams, and also playing coverage,
this guy is a really I mean he's gonna he's
gonna probably start off on special teams and then get
sub package work and then then bamp take off from there.
But at six two twenty five, you're gonna probably be
a little scared of the size. But he makes it

(53:57):
seem like he made every single tackle on the UCLA
team that really really wasn't all that great.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
He's projected to be about a four to seven guys.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I know it's crazy, but he but he plays so
much faster than that. Yeah, it's like a third round guy.
You know on my book there.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
It's interesting. Is this a good linebacker class in general?
I feel enough I haven't seen enough of I mean,
like we're looking at a guy like Danny Stutsman from Oklahoma,
and that's just a guy that's sound like you don't
like Danny stuts I mean he's instinctive and makes a
ton of tackles, but like, is he going to translate
to the NFL? He might just be a special teams.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
In the ENFA.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I haven't seen a lot of them. And Tommy both
just looked at it. Well. I mean, I Tommy from
a Texas standpoint.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Nothing. He was an outstanding college.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Player, all right, right, that dude deserves his praise, But
I don't know that that's going to translate to being
an NFL starter necessarily. Its probably a Day three pick anyway.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Can I give you a linebacker to go home and
watch when come back? Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon. This is
uh okay, this one five yeah inside and is also
a tackling machine, always finds himself at the ball. You
talk about Oregon's defensive slash, he was he was the
reason for that. He's the leader of that group.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
So, okay, give me bassa.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Jacob Parish. Do you can see him yesterday? He did
see him yesterday, Okay, Jacob Parish from k State. He
not flott. This dude might end up winning the combine. Okay,
at the forty. But this guy, I was watching him
last night. Bobby's like I saw him today. You need
to give him a look. Jacob Parish can ball now.
He's kind of got everything you look for. Five to ten, right,
not necessarily the tallest guy in the world, but I

(55:26):
think he's got longer arms than that. The frame's okay,
but Jacob Parrish, the recovery speed is elite with him.
He can run with everybody, can be a little physical.
I like Jacob Parish. He's a guy to go.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Home and watch as well.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Short guys from Kansas State, you know. I mean Zach's
all for of those guys. That's what That's what he
got right, I'm about k State Wildcats?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
All right?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Question that the running back. That's that might be my
pet cat running back this year to fourth round.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Fifth I saw him yesterday. He looked a little slender,
but he's longer than than I think.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
He is, a big boy.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
He's got tall length he does.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
He can catch the ball on the back field good
in between the tackles. Runner has some juice, can finish
the fan of his game as well. Devin Neil from Kansas,
that guy's little bowling ball as well. I like him
a lot.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
We like his junior year a little bit more, much better.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Sure, Yeah, same thing with like just like that junior
season more than they liked this year. The quarterback, same thing.
I want to talk. We could spend a whole show
on running backs.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Absolutely could, because this is a deep class and there's
some question marks. I think Olie Gordon, for me, is
one of the more interesting pieces because he was a
a badass his junior year. Could have tea first or
second round pick. Being yeah, ended up being just a
dud his final season.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
And they're real quick.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
What happens to line bad?

Speaker 5 (56:37):
So this is this is literally the notes I put
suffered behind bad offensive line in twenty twenty four. Does
he need an offensive line to succeed? The streets are
saying the streets, but I love his power and downhill ability.
I think it's worth spending a Day two pick on
if it gets to that point. I mean, he's he's
a big boy. He was Trinity guy by the way,
DFW shut up.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely was.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
A great player. You los Trinity outside of the NFL, sir.
Some people are saying that he would be a day
like a mid day three pick, which I just don't
see yet.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
I'm not there. I think he draw. Yeah, I don't
know this too. I'd take Trayvon Henderson over him. Ohio State, Yeah,
I would probably do.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
That's fair.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
That's a that's a fair assessment.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That Tennessee kids for real? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Who is Outamson Sampson?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, okay, good enough.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
You don't have to tell me on Tennessee backs. You know,
I loved me some Jalen Wright. Last, what about Caleb
Johnson from Iowa too? Yeah, cal Johnson's the number two
back in the class. But there is a drop over
a Marion Hampton. Yeah, he's better than Hampton. Yeah, john
is better than Hampton.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Hampton is to Marco Murray, I have Johnson over I
think I think Johnson's better.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Who is Johnson? Then?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
But who would Johnson be? If it's a good question? Murray?
Marco Murray's not bad. Gent gives me some minute vibes.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
He does he does runs like I love it.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
And I can't talk about that on our show because
I'm going to get like fought by Eric follow Eric Haates.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
We talked running back, good Lord, I cannot we got
We only talked about running.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Backs, going, yeah, he's there, and there's a drop off too,
like Genty's fantastic, and then I know it's a deep
running back class, but like there's levels of this. It's
Genty and it's everybody else.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Oh one hundred.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Let's not pretend we can just not everybody's elite. Gent's elite.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I'm glad we got through our third episode of the
Draft show and we made sure to mention Ashton Gentle again.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
So let's keep the street alive.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
We'll talk about him again on Thursday, and we'll continue
to reconvene as the year goes on. Officially one hundred
days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
I'm having fun.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yeah, this is good.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
We're getting full and it's still a long way away,
but not that far.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
That far days.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
One hundred days for.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Zach Wilchuck Bryan brought us Nick Harris, Tommy Yarrish, and
Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so
long for the Draft show.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
We'll see you on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
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