Draft Show: Embrace the Chaos?

It is NFL Draft week! Offensive line is the clear pick at no. 24 but will the Cowboys surprise us by looking to other positions of need? The Draft Show crew discuss, answer your questions, and more.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
It is the Draft Show here at the Star in Frisco.
Brian brought us manning the mic one more time? How
about that? Can't get rid of me. I'm like, gum
on your shoe.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It brought you back, It brought me back.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's like it's like the the movie The Godfather.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Right, I haven't seen him, seen The Godfather, The Godfather.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's Godfather three everything.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Every time I'm trying and get out, they pull me back.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yeah, that's exactly. That's the that's the nineteen nine and one.
That's the one that's not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
You need to see the guys.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
I've been on like a big mob movie kick recently. Yeah,
and I've had like three conversations about The Godfather in
the last week.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
So I do need to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I need to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
So the Three's not worth it, though, I.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Mean, it's just it's stupid. It came around like sixteen
years later. Yeah, I don't know, Like Mario Puzzo needed
a buck or something, and so they made a third
movie and it was a waste of time and it
had Sophia Copela in it and she couldn't act.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, here's here's here's not a waste of time for you.
We're going to talk some draft today.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Talk some draft. We're inside a week well it's actually
draft week, So I'll introduce my scouts here. Nick Harris,
Bobby belt, i Issham Morrison, Chris Biemer in the back.
I want to go around the room, and here we
are really days away. We're starting to count down the hours.

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I want to go around the room and just give
me one thought about It didn't have to be about
a player, doesn't have to Maybe it's something you're hearing,
Maybe it's something that you know you're feeling about this draft.
Give me one thought, Nick Harris, that you're kind of

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right now feeling about as we get this started this week.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm wondering when the trades will start firing off.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
You know, away from the Cowboys pick, there's a certain
level of expectation that I think we could all have
for the Cowboys trading back in the first round. I
think if a certain crop of guys are not on
the board at twenty four, then they start getting on
the phones. But aside from that, when do the trades
start firing off for whoever's going to hop into the
top five to get J. J.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
McCarthy, Who's going to be that.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Team that kind of slides back to be able to
get a better position with a defensive player, but also
pick up draft capital in that top ten. So it's Monday,
you would have to think those those things start firing
off here in the next forty eight hours, but it
also could be on draft nights. That's kind of the
thought that I have coming into today. But as far
as the Cowboys pick goes specific offensive line, obviously, I

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think for me, this is kind of where I'm leaning
right now. If there are three guys that are not
available at twenty four, then I think they paarachute back.
And I think those three guys are Troy Faltanu, J. C.
Latham and Graham Barton. I think if those three guys
are not on the board, then they push back. That's
kind of my thought right now.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Aisha got a thought for me? Your second draft. You've
been a part of, done a hell of a job
to get it to this point right now. Probably a
little tired, We're all a little tired, probably a little irritable.
You get a thought for son, where you feel like
where you are right now.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
I think we talked about it on the draft one
on one thing.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I think everyone, by the way, hell of a job
by all you guys too, And yeah, thanks to Brian,
thanks to the fans out there.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
Cam Lord.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I just I just think I've learned to deal with
that boy.

Speaker 7 (03:54):
Yeah, Bobby, Bobby's Bobby's good.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
No.

Speaker 9 (03:57):
So I think that I they feel like a lot
of us are kind of dead set on it being
offensive line this first round.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (04:06):
I don't know if it's just me because I like chaos,
but I just feel like maybe they might surprise us
in how they handle that first round.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
Like you know, we.

Speaker 9 (04:15):
Talked about obviously offensive line is in need. They've had
success in getting offensive line in the first round and
all those things. But I just I'm looking forward to
seeing if they surprise us and maybe do some things
that we don't expect.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
This is this is important, man.

Speaker 9 (04:32):
Like they haven't touched free agency, really, they haven't done
really anything in the off season too, in my opinion,
get better this draft. They have to have some urgency
that maybe we haven't seen from them in a while.
And so I'm wondering if Nick brings up trade backs
and things like that. I'm wondering if they do have
a little show, a little bit more urgency and do

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some things that we don't expect on day one.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Robert Belt, Yeah, I'm gonna be sweating all the way
up to twenty four trying to see if Graham Barton's
gonna come down or not.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean that's like I honestly, that's all I
consider it because I've just I know there's a good
possibility he's not there, and yet I'm sitting here just
trying to conceptualize reality where he's not there, and it's
really tough to then figure out where they go from
there at Center.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
And so for me, it's even.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Though I know there are other guys there that that
makes some sense, like you just mentioned Troy Fatano, Jac
Latham if he gets down there. You know, we've talked
about Kingsley, Sua manta Ea, Like like you got these
different guys here that you can talk about. To me,
it's like, yeah, and even if you like those guys
and those are good players and you haven't good to wear,
it's still just as when that pick happens, if it's
somebody having the Barton, I'm gonna be sitting there on

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like in my head, I'm thinking, what the hell are
they doing at Center next year? Like that's kind of
gonna be where my head's at. So I think that,
you know, it can even make sense that a guy
like Patanuo, I'd probably take him over Graham Barton sitting there,
But even taking him, I'd be sitting there thinking, I
don't know what's gonna happen at Center next year. I
don't know how that's gonna look. And that that, to
me is just the biggest question heading into this draft
is what's going to happen at Center? And so for me,

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I think it's going to be just watching the board
fall and see if he's even there.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
For you at twenty four, if you guys were sitting
in that war room and all of your thoughts are percolating,
do you feel like that they have a handle on
your issues right now? The things that you guys are
thinking about, do you think they have a handle on

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how the board's gonna fall, or are we or is
this for the first time in a long time, there's
that chaos that we don't know is there? Do you
feel like that they? I mean, I feel like they're
going of course they're going to get a handle, but
right now, I wonder if they do have that.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Outlet light, Like how predictable they think the first twenty
three shars go.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Sure, I think I think.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Teams usually have a better beat on how things are
going to fall ahead of them than than we realize.
But I mean it certainly happened for the Cowboys openly
acknowledged when they picked Seed Lamb, Like we had every
mock Drafs scenario we ran.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
He didn't get down there and so and so.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Like I mean, thinks things can happen in front of
them and can be unpredictable, But I think they probably
know where their land mines are, where where they know, like, Hey,
if we like this guy, we got to watch out
here here.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
If we like this guy, we got to watch out here.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
And I think they know what's probable and what they're
looking at. Yeah, I think that they've got to handle
on that.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I agree with all those points, but with that being said,
kind of hearing all the smoke from the insiders and
people that know a lot more sure, like the Daniel Jeremiah's.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of the world. I don't know if they know more
than us, but.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I would I would.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
I would say that just kind of hearing from what
they they have been communicating over the last week, scouts
are fearing how wild.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
This is going to get on Thursday night.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
Yes, you know that there's there's an element of unknown
that has been kind of more prevalent this year than
in any other draft, and that the trades kind of
play into that. That's that was kind of part of
the my first answer as well, you know, when does
that start firing off and when does the board kind
of shaking up with different teams in different slots. I think,
you know, you really won't know what the board will
exactly look like until probably pick twelve is off the board,

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and then you can kind of have a level of
expectation until twenty four. But up until twelve, I mean,
there's a lot of things that can happen.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Why do you embrace the chaos?

Speaker 9 (08:20):
I don't know if I embrace it, because y'all know
I got anxiety, But at the same time, I just
think Nick brings up a good point of just how
top heavy this draft is in some positions, and then
obviously a lot of the teams that need quarterback and
just how that's gonna fall. I mean, I was surprised
that you answered the way that you answered, though, Bobby.
As far as like Brian asking is do you think

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that they have a good beat on things? I interpreted
that as do you think that they feel the same
way about center as you do? That's how I interpreted it.
So you're talking about Graham Barton early. I thought that
was how I thought that was where because I think
I don't know all the info, but I do think
that there is some.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
Confidence in brock Hoffman.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
So I wonder I don't think it's enough personally, like
we don't think it's enough to be like, oh no,
we can grab a center later. But what if they
really do feel like that from the inside.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
No, I mean, I think I think that they absolutely
would operate with brock Coffin at center because they need
contingencies in place. I don't think that's anywhere near their
their optimal plan. If you gave them a number of
different options as to here's how the the off season
can play out, here's how the draft can play out,

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Here's how your your lineup can look. I don't think
their preference would be that that's your starting center next year. Again,
I think they have got contingencies in place. Chumanydoga last
year was a contingency. It's something in place that that
can start if you need them to. But that was
not what they desired necessarily, That wasn't their primary option.
It was just one that like, hey, if we need

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to do this, we can. And so I think that
the question for me is going to be if it's
not Barton, if it's not Jackson powers Johnson, then do
they like Hoffman as an option more than they like
Fraser as an option?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Do they like Kaufman more than the like Man Pran
as an option?

Speaker 10 (10:14):
Like?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Are they looking at it that way or do they
get all the way down to like, if Hunter Norzad
goes in the you know whatever it is sometimes day
three or whatever else, however really goes depending on how
teams like him, Like, would they be willing to have
a center they take on day three that they think, No,
this is still a better option to us. That's what
I don't have a lot of clarity about. I think
they would absolutely take Graham Barton and start him at

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center next year if if he was there at twenty four.
It's just a matter of, you know, what are their
contingencies behind it. How does brock Kauffman fit into that?

Speaker 9 (10:45):
And for me, it falls back into kind of the
tune I've been singing since we started this is we with.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
How season long these seasons are getting.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
There is so much value in having backup offensive linemen
that you really think can go get it. Aren't going
to drastically change what you do offensively if you need
to do it. Because we saw like it came down
to the wire as far as the division goes, and
one or two games that you dropped because your offensive
line play wasn't great or the coach got a little

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because the offensive.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Line wasn't in place. I think that matters.

Speaker 9 (11:20):
So brock Hoffman falls into that category to me, with
the TJ Basses and things like that, of like, these
are adequate backups that we've kind of seen be able
to do some good things. I don't know if that
means that they're just ready to go out there and
start when you can get you know, a guy that
can come in there and make a difference right away.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I do think that they believe TJ. Bass could start,
actually wink. I think there's a lot more confidence in
Bass right now at guard than now.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Is there a lot more confidence in the idea of
Bass starting at center over you know, Hoffman at center.
I don't know, but in terms of just talking about
Bass playing guard Hoffain playing center, I think this organization
has a lot more confidence today, right now, on April
twenty second, and the idea of starting at left guard
than they would in Hoffman.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
How do you feel about that? How would you guys? Do?
Do you guys think that TJ. TJ. Bass is capable
of playing center?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
We just got to see it. We haven't really seen it.
The only times we've seen it as in practice reps.
We saw it a little bit in training camp reps.
But you've got to see it that that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I kind of felt that way about Barton playing center
right coming out of watching dude. I'm like, I've seen
him play tackle, but.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, I seen what he did freshman year though.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, you go back and context, absolutely, But.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think with TJ. Bass, I mean, he's the guard
of the future.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I think he's the guard.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
I think he's the guard of the future, and he's
probably gonna be Zach Martin's eventual replacement if he doesn't
slide into left guard this next season or or if
so still, but I think you just kind of need
to see what he's going to do at center for
me to be able to buy in completely. But I
think as it sits today, there's a training camp competition
lined up at center between brock Hoffman, TJ. Bass and
then whatever draft pick comes in.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
I'm so excited for a center competition, aren't you. Guys
haven't had one on this team in a minute. And
that was weird too, the lack of competition there.

Speaker 9 (13:02):
I mean, it was just it was time to be honest,
his job just because he was existing.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, Nick, I got a question for you. Quarterback, offensive line, wide, receiver,
corner back, which run is going to go first?

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Are we going like outside the top five here? I
would assume.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah, Okay, so like outside those top three quarterbacks and
a couple of those receivers going, let's see, let's just
take a look at my mock.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm gonna stick to this.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
I would probably lean more towards I've just been feeling
that these corners are going to come off.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
I got conon Mitchell coming off at twelve, Cherry and
Arnold at thirteen, Nate Wiggins at fifteen.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Did you have Mitchell above or did you just do
it because of the mock?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I have Mitchell above as well.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Okay, as well.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
I have Mitchell as my number one corner. I love
what he brings to the table from an aggressive, aggressive
standpoint press, off the line, being able to hear routes.
I love what he does and what he did at
Toledo those four interceptions in a game. I'm going to
bring that up a million times before the end of
But uh, I think I think I'm leaning towards the
corners now.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Could the receivers happen? Absolutely? Could the offensive line happen?
I think so absolutely as well.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
You got Joe Alton tell the essay, Fuaga and my
mock that are going before Mitchell. But I think I
think teams start looking up at pick twelve, and Denver's
gonna be looking to parachute back.

Speaker 11 (14:18):
Probably.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
I think if they don't go up and get McCarthy
and someone's gonna hop up to twelve, I think, and
get a corner. That's that's kind of what I'm thinking,
and it starts to run.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Bobby listening to go ahead, I show try to ask.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
Why do you know your host?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No go ahead?

Speaker 9 (14:30):
I was gonna ask, why do you think there's gonna
be a run on corner with corner?

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Again? With how deep corner.

Speaker 9 (14:36):
Is, because yeah, these guys are the top guys, but
when you get into the second round you find good
things and a lot of even the second round guys,
So why do you think that they will go get corner.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah, you look at those names at the top and
you and you see them slip into twelve, and I
think that's that's probably where they go and be aggressive.
This is just a guess here. Complete guests this board
and fall a million different ways. But I think when
they look at twelve and Quannon, Mitchell and Terry and
Arnold are still on the board, people start getting on
the phon because those are two good of talents to
not go in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Bobby Nick thinks the draft is going to start at twelve.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
You there with him, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
I mean, look the way the uh right about that, Yeah,
that's probably I've heard it twice.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, I've heard it twice.

Speaker 11 (15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Look, I mean the the way, the way all these
stories are starting to come out about Jayden Daniels is
not sure of his uh wants to know what options
he might have other than the Commanders at number two, Like,
I mean that that could kind of throw a monkey
wrench into things. Obviously, who comes up and gets either
the Arizona pick or the Chargers pick, which is what
we assume. It may not happen, but if you know

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who the Vikings are assumed to want to come up
and get a quarterback or something like that. So I
mean there's there's some fluidity, uh in the in the
top ten, but I mean, yeah, right around eleven somewhere
in there, especially since that's the Vikings pick. Like whoever
trades down there, how things shift. I mean, I think
you'll start seeing some wild stuff happen there. But I

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mean in terms of the run.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you where you think the using.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Offensive line like to me, because it's just it's so
that there's so many good offensive linemen at the top
but it's just it's like once you get past like
a collection of eight to ten guys, it just it
drops in the.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Quality pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
So I think like teams are going to just be like,
got to get one of these eight to ten if
we want an offensive lineman, let's do this now, like
we need to get So I think alt Fashion, New Latham,
Fuaga suamata Ea, MEM's got Like you start going down
the list, I think that by the time we get
out of the top fifty picks, most of those are going.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
To be gone.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Aisha though offensive line run bad for cowboys.

Speaker 9 (16:36):
Right, I mean, yeah, But the way that we've talked
about it is like even if they if there is
a run, there's a possibility that you mean you mentioned,
I think that there somebody's going to be there, that.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
They're interested, that you have some interest.

Speaker 9 (16:50):
In if it falls correctly, especially if it doesn't start
to twelve, right, and especially if they don't start boogeing
to twelve.

Speaker 7 (16:56):
So I mean, I think I think it could be harmful.

Speaker 9 (17:01):
But then also too, you brought up, and you brought
up multiple times that the best player on the board might.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Be a defensive play.

Speaker 9 (17:06):
Yeah, at that point If that happens and people just
like I want all the offensive linemen.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Nick, will everybody go nuts if they pick an off
they pick a defensive player at twenty four.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
I don't think everybody would go super nuts, but there'd
be some questions, especially if it's like Biron Murphy that
plays at three tech, or if they parachute back to
like thirty and take Edrian Cooper or Peyton Wilson. In
that sense, then I think there would definitely be some
questions that would have to be answered that night one
press conference.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
If you back up to thirty, Bobby linebacker or maybe
Fraser at center. I mean, that's how I would look
at it. If you backed up to thirty and we
went through all the and you guys did a great
job the other day when we went to the trade
back scenarios of kind of we've all determined that we
want Kansas City to call right now is who we

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would like. But Bobby, if you were to trade back,
is it still one of those offensive tackles. Is it
the center now now? Or could the best player on
the board be a defensive player? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I mean, man, if you pick up the extra draft capital,
then I don't have a problem if you go back
and say we're going to take Cooper here at Texas
A and M.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
So you depending on how much capital you pick up,
say what can I get because I mean, I think
this is a relatively deep draft at other spots that
they need. And so if they pick up extra capitol
and say, hey, we can get you know, Cooper here,
because I think that that's a bigger ask to expect
that he's going to make it to you in the
second round or to be there later, then some of

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these centers that you might like that could get to
you in the second or third round. I don't know
if Fraser gets there in the second round, maybe I
don't know, but I mean like that you are going
to have other options there, like Norzad and Van Prant
and guys like that that I think with the extra pick, yeah,
with the extra pick, but then like you're still addressing
some of the other things that you need to do. So
I don't have a problem that they if they take
Cooper back there, I would I would feel like going

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back to thirty two making Fraser at least just for me,
would be a little bit of a reach compared to
where I have other centers like he would be the
third one, but there's enough clustered around it, whereas with Cooper,
like right behind him, you're talking about like Peyton Wilson,
who's a really good player, but there's obviously a ton
of questions medically, and then after that there's a significant drop.
I don't love the linebacker class. So if you can
get Cooper, I think you can get away with center

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third round something like that.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I issue you want to follow up with anything on that?

Speaker 7 (19:26):
All right, I'm sorry, no, no, I was just listening.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, okay, one thing about my mark about going back
to the runs, I just kind of counted before pick
twenty four, six offensive lineman coming off the board and
three corners. But I just have those three corners coming
off a little bit quicker. But I still expect there
to be a run on offensive lineman. I still do
before twenty four. And that's man, We're gonna be sitting
around pick eighteen, pick nineteen on Thursday night just praying

(19:49):
that there's not another tackle that comes off the board
or another center that comes off the board.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
All right, With that being said, though, on the potential run,
how willing are you all before we go to break,
How willing are you you guys to just sit there
and let it happen and not trade up and not
trade up.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Yeah, that's that's where it gets interesting. Because you don't
have a ton of draft capital this year. You probably
don't want to sacrifice some next year, even though you
are expecting comp picks next year. It just depends what
kind of assets you're willing to give up.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't think you can do it.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
I don't think you can.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Like I mean, they're just there.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
They've made a conscious decision to Barton address the depth
through the even Barton at nineteen. It sucks. It's a
reality of the draft that sucks. But I mean to me,
it's like you, you've made a conscious decision to replence
your depth through this draft, and that's the how to
fourth round pick.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
You can't give up anymore.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
H Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
I mean, I just think they don't have Like I
said before, they haven't done anything. This is their money
maker right now, so they need to go in and
go in there with the mindset that they have to
get better. So however they decide to do that, you're
saying you don't think that they should ransom ani picks
for next year or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
No, Like I mean, I think like the the the
extra capital that they have being in the like fifth round,
I don't think that that's gonna be enough that somebody
will be like, yeah, I'll take a fifth round or
next year, I'll let you move up five spots in
the first round. So you don't have the cap and
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(21:17):
tail after that. To me, it's I'd much rather either
stand in and pick or move back and try to
pick up something else. To me, like it really doesn't
matter who it is, Trading up is not something I
would want to do.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So we're a team now of like we're interested if
we don't have our guy below the hatches and go
and die for the bottom, right yep? Okay man, Yeah
that's tough. Yeah, that's tough. You know, that's tough because
to me, I just think there's so much I think
there's a lot of unknown there, you know, and then

(21:48):
if you're not willing, like you say, you seem like
we're I don't know, kind of willing. Oh we won't
take Frasier might be a reach. I don't look at
it really that way myself.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Oh that's just like, yeah, this is on my they
may not view it that way.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
And if they look if they evaluated Zach Frasier's being
somebody that they felt comfortable with taking at thirty, yeah,
like I'm gonna assume they've got him more right than
I do, because they've got a track record of having
guys all right now.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
And you're right, No, you're right. And I just like
I said, I know he doesn't get to you at
fifty six. I know that for a fact. So anyway,
all right, we're gonna take a first break and we
come back. We're gonna get to your Twitter questions. And
then after that though, I got some more questions for
my scout buddies here. We'll do that all next.

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Speaker 2 (25:49):
All right, Uh, it's it's time for one of our
favorite segments of Twitter were on the Twitter thanks being
to appreciate that. Okay, hey guys, first question comes from
on Twitter is from Let's Talk Ball. Let's Talk Ball
says say, your team is definitely picking one of either

(26:12):
Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks in the second round. Which
one do you want and why?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I'll go to you first on that one.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, So on my board, I'm going to stick to it.
I would take Peyton Wilson just based on what he
brings to the table like this. I think he the
medical concerns are there, yes, and from what we've heard,
it's not you know, there's not anything that makes you
feel great about where he is medically. But you can
look at the past two seasons, him staying healthy these

(26:40):
last two seasons for the wolf Pack, what he was
able to do on the field, what he was able
to test at the combine. You see all that athleticism,
what he can do. I want him in that second level,
flying around the field. I think you could still get
a really good running back in the third round that
you can throw in into the RB one conversation next year.
Whereas if you're looking at the linebacker position after Drian Cooper,
Peyton Wilson, there's a little bit of a drop off there,

(27:01):
in my opinion, after Junior Colson as well, there's a
little bit of a drop off there, and you'd have
to be comfortable taking a guy there in the third
round or on Day three that you feel like a compete.
I feel like Peyton Wilson would be more of an
immediate contributor in that sense, but I think you can
get a running back there in the third round as well.
It'd be tough for me to pass on Jonathan Brooks.
So I love Jay Brooks.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Aisha Oh, I was like, I was looking for Bobby.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
I want to bounce off Bobby. Bobby, what'd you got?

Speaker 13 (27:26):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know it, Brooks.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
And it's nothing to do with Texas. It's got everything
to do with it. It's no, no, no, it has
nothing to it has nothing to do with the Texas stuff.
It has everything to do with Uh. You know, we
we have Dame Brugler on here, Dame Brugler from straight
from his draft guy talking about you're talking about double
digit surgery since senior year of high school. And it's
not just well, it's this one knig and probably no,

(27:49):
it's both knees, it's a shoulder, it's this, it's that,
it's he's already twenty four years old.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
He's a really good player.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
To me, again, we're talking about the the margins are
so thin in terms of making sure your depth is
set for this next year and what you have moving forward.
We saw just what an unexpected injury and to Marvin
Overshown did last year at linebacker for the Cowboys, and
there's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Of an expectation.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I would think with Peyton Wilson, like he's going to
get hurt at some point, and even if he stayed
healthy for two years, something will happen at some point,
and I just I don't know that they can have
their depth challenged on that. With Brooks, there's nothing long
term about Brooks's health. Everything you hear is that he
is salt of the earth, high character, high football character

(28:37):
kind of guy. And to me, he's the best running
back in the draft. So to me, it's not very
difficult because I think as you're trying to minimize risk
and you know, build the best possible team. Again, to me,
Brooks is higher on my stack to begin with, and
then the risk is so much less with Brooks compared
to Wilson.

Speaker 9 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean for me, as far as Brooks goes, Yeah,
he's the safer pig. Yeah, sure, he's a safer pick
as far as you know. You talk about the injury
history and all that stuff.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
But I struggle.

Speaker 9 (29:06):
But I'm telling I'm I I can't wait to be
able to hear some of these conversations in these war
rooms after saw said and done with the conversations of
Peyton Wilson. And I think for this team in particular,
you need a mic like you need a mic, even
if it's of the future. And this is to me
the best mic in this draft, maybe one of the
best mics we've seen in a minute. And how he communicates,

(29:28):
how he processes, and I think Nick brings up a
good point of what he showed at the Senior Bowl.
What he's been this last couple of years, I can't imagine.
I wonder has anybody asked him what he puts into
his body, how much work he's put into his body
to even be able to stay healthy last couple of years.
I mean, yeah, Peyton Wilson is a star, I think,
and so it is hard in that regard. But I

(29:50):
think Jonathan Brooks is a safe pick as we as
we sit here right now in chefty.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
Post that Brooks is connected to the team. You know,
we know that right now.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Watch the draft show, right, I'm standing at that table
with those dice in my hand, Nick, I'm standing there. Yeah,
I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Peyton Wilson.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yes, it's a serious to me. It's hard.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yes, I'm standing there and I'm looking at you guys,
putting your chips where they need to be because we're
about that, We're about to flip these dice.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I wut a tier.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
I will be shutting a tier while those dice are
flying because I love Jay Brooks.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
But yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
Who do you have ahead of fame Wilson.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
No, I'm said Brooks. I have Brooks as as.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Great asby Bobby's betting on me, snake.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Here's the thing I think, I think again, when you
watch that, they've made certain Now, look, they've got a
long history of taking red flag players, medically red flagged
players in the second round. They've got a long history
of taking medical flagged linebackers Bruce Carter, Shanlee, Jaylen Smith,
DeMont Clark, most recently Layton vander sh like they've they've

(30:54):
done it consistently, so they're not afraid to do it.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
But I do think that, like we got to put
into the context.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Here as well, that they said we need more reliability,
So we are willing to walk away from Hall of
Fame left tackle and put ourselves in a position to
where we're kind of in need walking into the draft.
So if they were that concerned about reliability on that
front and affordability, I don't know why they would want
to put themselves in that position at linebacker again after

(31:19):
they've clearly made some stuff like hey, we need we
need more availability. We need to know who's going to
be consistently available, and that's just never been Peyton Wilson
in his entire college career. But he's really good. He's
a fun player. If you told me he'll be healthy
for ten years, Brian, I'll sure go.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Run it up there.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm channeling my I'm channeling it. Yes, And there's some
fate here with his son in the draft. There's some
there's some Yeah, I'm feeling it.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
Do you think some of that confidence though, comes from
like I wouldn't, I don't want to, I don't want to.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
Say the wrong thing, but to your welcome to the draft.

Speaker 9 (31:55):
But Bobby brings up the fact that they might be
more hesitant because of the recent history. And then also too,
you know, they've they've they've done, they've seen what it's
like to get a second round player, have do their surgery,
do all their medical and all this stuff, and then
and then they're not on this team or they're injured often.
So I wonder though, if there is some I mean

(32:16):
some arrogance there about what they're capable of doing in
this building from them, especially from a medical standpoint, and
their team doctors being as good as they are and
all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I don't think it's I don't think it's arrogance.

Speaker 14 (32:27):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I don't know, no, no, no, I know, I know.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
I think it's I think it's uh where they're comfortable
taking calculated risk, and they typically have said like will
bank on talent versus the risk, like if we're there
in the second round. A lot of times in the
first round they're banking on projections raw talent, whatever else.
But I mean, there haven't been like a whole lot
of you know, medical concern or you know, character flag

(32:51):
players that they've taken in the first round. They generally
are are more just making evaluation, picking the player and
going with it. They're vander Esh was obviously a first
round pick, and they requires there. But I think that
what they've shown is they believe that the second round
in is area where they're willing to roll the dice
and take some risks on the opportunity to potentially have

(33:11):
two players that they think are first round worthy, like okay, cool,
we'll do that in the second round.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
We'll take that risk.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
There.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
They're less willing to make the risk when there's probably
a lot of other first round players around their pick
and so let's go something a little safer, Whereas in
the second round it may be, well, that's the last
guy who's a first round type of talent, and nobody
wants touching because the medicals, we'll chance it, we're gonna
roll the dice on. I don't think it's necessarily that
they think they're more equipped than everybody else to handle it.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Good conversations, all right, Josh Weaver wants to know, and Nick,
I'll start with you on this one. It's good we're
speaking of linebackers. Can you give them some Can you
give them some Day three linebackers Day three Day three
significant playing time this year that are drafted by the.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Cowboys significant playing time.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
I'm gonna start with that part of the question first,
just because you would have to, you would have to
figure out how they get around to Marvey and over
shown Damon Clark and Bark Kendricks. Yeah, but let's let's
let's let's bite for a second some Day three guys
that they have been interested in throughout the process. You
can look at Jordan McGee out of Temple. You can
look at John Trey Hunter out of Georgia State. You

(34:23):
could look at Curtis Jacobs out of Penn State, and
Nathaniel Watson out Mississippi State. I know there's are four names,
really quick. Let me dive into those each individually really quick.
Jordan McGee more of a narrow guy that you could
you would like to see play in space. He's good
in coverage, but might need to bulk up a bit.
Even though he is about two twenty five to twenty seven.
He could add probably ten fifteen pounds to be able
to be a run stopper if he wanted to, or

(34:43):
you could stay at that weight in kind of Roaman
coverage there on on third down. John Trey Hunter actually
very much of the same kind of skill set. I
like McGhee a little bit better than Hunter. Nathaniel Watson.
That's the guy who's gonna, you know, come downhill and
then be able to make those tackles in the run game.
He almost did that exclusively for the Bulldogs last year.
He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year last year.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Curtis Jacobs.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
I think this is one of the more fun Day
three backer options just because he's versatile. He can do
both of these things. I think he's still got a
ton of upside that you can add to his game.
This is a guy that I think a couple of
years from now, if you have to move on from
Kendricks after this season, I think this is a guy
who could be ready to step in on Day two.
A couple of other names I want to throw out there,
ty Reese Knight out of UTEP.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I really love his athletics.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's what I was hoping you would mention.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Man his athleticism is awesome and to be able to
bring a minor over from lpass so that'd be super
cool to have once again in the building. And then
a last name, I'll throw out that he was really
productive for Washington last year and was huge in their
playoff run at Afuano Lafochio. I think he's he's a
guy that can be more well rounded as well. Ceiling
probably not as high as Curtis Jacobs is, but I
still like his upside.

Speaker 9 (35:49):
Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on Curtis Jacobs. We
got to we had the pleasure of meeting him at
the Shrine Bowl. But I want to say, though you're
talking about like he hasn't really had a lot of
injury issues or whatever, but this this, this is this
is old man a little bit like he's he's he's
played a lot of football, which is a good thing.
It's it's a good thing. But I also understand that

(36:12):
there's tread on those tires. As far as how much
he's played in his gleat career was like fifth year,
six year. I think he played five six years if
I'm not mistaken from what he told us. But I
think I agree with Nick that I do think that
he would be a cool Day one guy to be
able to Day three guy to pick up and bring
in here that can really develop into someone that can
really be the quarterback right up there on a second level.

(36:35):
But then also too, he does come with some experience
because he's played so much football.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Right right, hey, forty five games for a four year guy.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Forty five games good insight right there.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yes, I mean I do like the name John Trey Hunter.
I think that that's a good one. I think that
that's somebody who can you know, he can play inside
or outside. He's more well built, I think than a
lot of the linebackers that we've seen this one. He's
a break I think that when you watch the tape
against LSU, like you see him against big competition, you
see him making a difference, and those are the kind
of games that you really need to zero in on

(37:06):
and feel like you're you're getting NFL level competition or
high level competition prepared for the NFL. But the other
elementared here is Steel Chambers at Ohio State, who's a
converted running back, and I think he's somebody who consistently
feels like we've talked about you know, with linebackers here
over the last couple of years that you know, okay,
what are their abilities to you know, read and react?

(37:27):
How good are their instincts things like that. That that
is the one area where he's really good. And I
don't know if that comes from being a converted running back,
but I mean he really does seem to see it
quickly and attack it and plays discipely.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
The biggest problem with him is he's light. He's like
two twenty five.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I deal with a lot of these guys in Day
three like that, aren't we. Yeah, some lighter type players.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, he's light. He's he's gonna and it shows up.
There are times he has struggle getting off of blocks.
He doesn't play with a lot of power. But I think,
you know, if you get him here and you feel like, hey,
we can fill out that frame a little bit, I
think the instincts are fantastic. It's gonna be really hard,
I think, to find anybody who can come in and
start for you at linebacker this year on Day three.

(38:08):
But I do think that Stell Chambers is somebody that
interests me as a project.

Speaker 9 (38:13):
It's crazy that you bring him up because I've talked
about him on Girls Talk, Boys Talk a couple.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Times, and.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
I think to your point, with the instincts and being
able to I if still doesn't it's still Chambers doesn't
do anything. He to me, because he is a little lighter,
he can be your special team's ace. I think he's
a guy that can come onto your team, your special teams,
and make a difference immediately as well because of the instincts,
because of the way he's been able to He's able
to read and react, and I do think he can

(38:40):
develop and maybe put on a little bit more sized,
a little bit more weight because he is a little
lighting as sometimes. But I do think he does show
some of that decisiveness that you are looking for from
a linebacker.

Speaker 7 (38:52):
But I personally think if a team gets a hold
of him, he.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
Can really really really make your special teams better immediately
with how he plays.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
If I can mention, I don't know if you guys
have seen this guy. I mean, there's a lot of
linebackers that look at real quick and but JD. Bertrand
from Notre Dame. Okay, I'm just going to say a
couple of things about him. He's six tenties two thirty five.
He is one of the quickest readers of scheme that
I've seen. Of these linebackers, There's been some good ones,
but I think this guy his ability to process information

(39:22):
quickly and react to the play. He's got a quick
trigger to way he plays. He's downhill, he's a good tackler,
he can fill, he plays in space. The instincts. This
might be a Day three guy that I don't know
if the Cowboys particularly like him, but I know watching
him play pre snap, letting his teammates know what's about
to happen the fundamentals. Maybe he doesn't have the greatest

(39:44):
athletic ability and the lack of length might hurt him
some in the NFL, but man, he made it work
for this Irish defense and the way he played. So
keep an eye on a guy J D. Bertrand from
a Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I haven't seen him yet, but looking at his combin
photo here, he's got a first round grade of jaw line.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
He looks like a superhero.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
He's a square built guy for sure. Okay, our final
question for you guys on Twitter on the twenty would
any of you guys be surprised if Johnny Newton, the
defensive tackle from Illinois, would be the pick at twenty
four that's coming from Raoul.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah, that would surprise me. It would be fun.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Don't get me wrong, but yeah, it would surprise me
a It's kind of the same reason we talked about
why Byron Murphy would be a little bit of a surprise.
I feel like Johnny Newton would be even more of
a surprise, only because you know, he was a guy
that they really haven't done a ton of homework on
over the course of the draft process, didn't have a
formal with him at the combine, didn't bring him in
for a thirty. So I think to pull the trigger
on him at twenty four would be would be definitely

(40:43):
it would definitely be interesting. I kind of I think
I have him going twenty seven in my mad twenty
six to the Buccaneers, so he could be right in
that range. But man, he is fun. He'd be violent
pass rusher. He's a guy that I think he can
line up inside outside. He moves like he's two, but
he's not. He's He's fun.

Speaker 9 (41:01):
Be funny because I literally, as soon as you said
the Bucks, I pictured him in a Bucks Jersey and
it looks right.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, him going back home to Florida, that'd be fun.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
No, it looks right in my mind. Uh yeah, I agree.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
I guess I would be surprised, But correct me if
I'm wrong. Did we have him from any type of
Did the Cowboys have a thirty visit with what was
the offensive lineman that they were going back and forth
with Mazia about run?

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Did they have a thirty visit with him?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I'd have to look that up real quick here.

Speaker 9 (41:33):
I don't believe that. I don't believe if I'm remembering correctly.
We didn't start. I think we didn't think about him
until the week of right like we had talked about it.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
We had talked about him as a player, but they
hadn't really.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
All of a sudden he's showing up.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
He wouldn't publicly like did he have a thirty visit?

Speaker 4 (41:53):
I know that I don't remember. I know they met
with him at the combine and stuff, But.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
That's just what came to my mind.

Speaker 14 (41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
The bigger thing with that is just.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
The on bergeron like that that filled something that they needed.
And this year it feels like you've got even more
challenging depth issues, and that's one area where it's like, well,
your starter's in place, like you've got a three technique.
So I would be surprised if it was any three
technique with that first. But if it was Byron Murphy,
if it was Johnny Newton, I would be really surprised

(42:21):
if they picked a three technique defensive tackle in the
first two days.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
All right, Well, appreciate all the questions there on Twitter
on the twenty. Thanks to you guys out there for
making the time for that. Okay, when we come back,
it'll be the final segment of the day for the
draft show. I've got some more questions I want to
ask my scouts and we'll do that next. All right.

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Speaker 2 (45:44):
There you go. All right, thank you very much for
all that. All right, as we finish off this final
segment of the day, Bobby, I want to ask you
this question. Your second round graded player who you wouldn't
be surprised ends up getting taken in the first or
maybe higher. If you look at your board, who's the

(46:06):
one second round player?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I just know somebody I have great in the third
round will go second overall. So there's that. So I'm
gonna adjust a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Do you hate does is it there? Does he hate
the LSU quarterback that much?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Shrike May?

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I think?

Speaker 8 (46:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
No, no, Daniels, Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
It's yeah, poor Man's Lamar Jackson. I'll pass.

Speaker 8 (46:27):
No.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Uh, you know the guy that you know studied, We talked,
we talked about it.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Calm down, l s U.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Okay, Brooks over the really good linebacker.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
All right, all right, well look I look at it.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Second round guy.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, Eddrian Cooper. I think Edrin Cooper is a guy
who very easily could end up back into the first round.
And obviously I mean like we've.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Maybe even higher than the back of the second round or.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Or sorry, back into the first round.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Like he's he's the guy that I have in the
second that I think could because I think there's teams
that probably have him as the top linebacker and are
willing to say, hey, if we have a need here,
we're need to say if you look at like the
when we get to the conference championship games. One of
the things that's funny because we're sitting here talking about
potentially these could be the Cowboys first two picks. If
you look at the center position and you look at

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the linebackers on the four teams that finished in the
conference finals this year, it's they they all were really,
really good.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
And they've all invested there.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
San Francisco, Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit, they've all invested in
those positions. They've all had quality players there. And I
think that Cooper is a guy who it became a
little bit like linebacker was it felt like was the
running back of defense for a little bit in terms
of how people were valuing it. It feels like people
are kind of coming back around and saying, no, there's
some value here. You can't just throw anybody out there.

(47:45):
And so I think Cooper because of need, you know,
lack of talent at the position at the top end,
I think Cooper could get you know, somebody could grab
him back into the first.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
For me, you know, Nick talks about the run on
cornerback happening. I look at all these cornerbacks out side
of outside of Keon Mitchell, and I look at Terry
and Arnold and I like the player, but there are
some things I didn't like Wiggins. You talk about the side,
I think that Cooper Degene from Iowa could.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Definitely be someone that someone takes in the first round.

Speaker 9 (48:20):
This guy, when I watched him, and again I think
key On Mitchell was fantastic. I really don't think he's
that far away from being that complete corner that can
do it all.

Speaker 7 (48:32):
He can play in zone, he can play in man.

Speaker 9 (48:34):
He's disciplined, he has good size, he's a strong tackler,
multi sport athlete. The guy's done it all, very productive
in his time in Iowa. We know how the rest
of the league view some of these Iowa players, but
this guy is just a dog and he's he's just
he's consistent, and we talk about we talk about Jackson,
Parish Bowers, Johnson and just the consistency. I feel like

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Cooper Degene has kind of suffered a little bit from
that is that he's so consistent that you almost forget
about him. And I'm not gonna let people forget about him.
I think the rest of the I think there are
people that might be okay with taking him in the
first round even over like a Wiggins, just because of
the size and some of those things. So that's just me,
that's how I feel. Because if there's a run, it's
gonna have to be more than two guys. You can't

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have like three guys. It can't just be two guys
in that first round.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
So I'm very interested to see if whoever takes Cooper
Degini throws him in special team situations because he was so.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
Funny and then sprinkling that too.

Speaker 9 (49:29):
Yeah, I mean this is this is an exciting, multifaceted player,
and I think teams value that. But you also get
a corner that you know is gonna come in right away,
and you talk about the confidence, you talk about how
intelligent he is. I think he could come in and
hold it down.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
So that's my guy, Yeah, my safety one.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
That's that's my safety you So, Patty, I think I think,
I think I think people might look at Tirian Arnold
as a safety.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I want to get into that.

Speaker 9 (49:56):
No, I'm not gonna get into it like that because
we've talked about it before. I just think the length
and some of the stuff he does, I think that
some people might look at him as a safety guy.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Detroit went from being what a kind of a corner
or some branch branch boy. He played well for them,
played in the slot too, and stuff like that. Who
do you got, man?

Speaker 5 (50:12):
What you got?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
You got the second So I only have nineteen first
round grades. So there's a lot, honestly that I that
will be picked in the second round obviously. So I'm
gonna kind of the outside of the box here a
little bit, and not even too far outside the box.
Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Yeah, I know, that's it's
a it's a name that's been very hot.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I guess I'll get to my next question.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, for late in the first round.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Teams like him. Teams really like when he shuts to
the table. As far as lining up inside, lining up outside.
You see his athleticism. All of the concerns that I
think he had coming into the draft process from an
athletic perspective, he has answered so for teams at least,
and I think he's a guy that'll probably end up
late first round potentially. And then Darius Robinson out of
Missouri Edge, he's just picking up so much steam to

(50:55):
be a late first round pick. And I had heard
that in Mobile. That was the first time I had
heard that. Hey, Derys Trump is it's going to be
a first round pick. And I'm still standing on that.
I think I'm going to stick to who told me that,
So give me those two guys.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (51:08):
What about the test? What happened with him?

Speaker 8 (51:10):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Was it the Darius Robinson?

Speaker 9 (51:12):
But yeah, I felt like I felt like people stopped
talking up the media folks.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Yeah, us folks. I think we stopped talking.

Speaker 9 (51:20):
About him after the combine because it wasn't super special,
you know what I'm saying, Like he didn't stand out
like that, But when you watch the tape, he's just
this freaking book.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Yeah, when you're a two hundred and eighty pound edge,
I don't think a combine is necessarily your your your
best friend necessarily from like a testing perspective. But as
far as him being able to line up anywhere from
three tech outside to seven, I think I think there's
a lot of things he can bring to a defensive line.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
He's versatile.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
That's that's where that's where you get the value in
Darius Robinson's versatility.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Bobby is Hicks got a shot from Washington state.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Maybe I don't.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
I wouldn't think so, but I mean it's definitely possible,
I guess. I mean, Hicks I think is going to
be the first safety for a lot of teams. So
I mean, if somebody wants to, you know, address that
position back into the first I don't don't think it's
like a terrible reach either. Like I really like Jadan Hicks.
I just I don't know that the demand is going
to be there. I don't know how many people are
going to have Nuban over him. And I actually think

(52:15):
the trendy thing that's that's one of the areas where
I think we, you know, in the media talking about it,
we've been behind the NFL.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I think most of the NFL has Hicks above Nuban.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Yeah, And so that's one where, like I think the draft,
Twitter social media sphere has not been in lockstep with
them on that. So I think there's a good chance
Hicks goes before Nuban. I just don't know if it's
back into the first Yeah.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
I mean I think a lot of that has to
do with affected and I think Nuben's fantastic and he
can play some free safety, some strong safety, but it's
also too with Jayden Hicks, And again it's not that
Nuban doesn't do it.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
But it's just how he feels in the run game too, and.

Speaker 9 (52:51):
With just how many how many teams are doing things
trying to get guys out in space and stuff, having
a safety that can.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Cover ground like that. But I also like how you
operated in dime.

Speaker 9 (52:59):
I was surprised by just how comfortable he is, uh
covering all that ground and and and in carrying defenders.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
So yeah, with Jayden Hicks's I agree with you.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
It's it's kind of like how we look at Adrian
Cooper and Peyton Wilson is like one A, one B
in that situation.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
To me as well, any chance that Coraley gets picked
in the first round, I.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Don't I don't think so. I would love that, but
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
I just thought a fire.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
I haven't heard a lot of smoke around around that.
I think when you're talking about those receivers who could
go first round, it's kind of limited to Xavier Worthy,
Lad McConkey out of Night Mitchell. Yeah, probably those three guys,
And I think if you go beyond that, then you're
still talking Keyon Coleman and then maybe you start talking
about Coraley and Legett, But I think those are comfortably
second round guys.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
I don't think nobody's gonna get googly at and take
Exavier Worthy just because he's super Definitely.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Could oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they would
be jumping on a guy before a guy.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Like me all right in the h in the last
five minutes we have here. This is kind of been
a touchy subject for a lot of folks, But I'll
ask this question.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Let's put some people off.

Speaker 8 (54:05):
Brian.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, where do you guys stand on all these potential
medicals that we're dealing with. We got all these medical
things that have come up about these players since the combine.
We've you know, whether it's the center, the linebacker, the
running back. Where where are you guys? Are you numb
by it? Are you do?

Speaker 10 (54:25):
You?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Are you saying? Listen? I trust my team is going
to do the right thing, you know if they take
my guy obviously cleared. I mean, I just feel like
there's a lot of good players. I think there's probably more.
There's players on our board that we haven't even talked
about that have medical things that that probably that all
of a sudden, we're gonna be like, Okay, Nick, who's

(54:46):
your who's your best player? And then all of sid
it's three guys that you're like, I don't understand why
they're falling. Yeah, how how are you guys taking all
this medical information in now? And how is it affecting
how you think about your board in your players.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
I'm trying to keep it very circumstantial and put each
guy in kind of a vacuum of what they're dealing with,
But you do have to kind of factor in a
guy like Graham Barton, who's deal. He's been dealing with
the torn laborum throughout the draft process, and that's something
you just we just haven't talked about because we've been
talking about Jackson powers, Johnson and his medicals. We've been
talking about Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks, et cetera, et
cetera exactly. So there's a lot of guys I think,

(55:23):
is is there a little bit of numbness? I think
there is maybe four for media scouts, But you can
you can best believe that if there's a pick made
by any of these thirty two teams, they're doing a
lot of research as to what they are getting medically
from the from that player, I think, uh, I think
there definitely will be two or three guys we look
at around like pick thirty, We're like, why are these
guys falling? So yeah, which could help the Cowboys very well.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Good.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
So well, sure, Bobby, how do you feeling about all
the medical information you're starting to get?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Yeah, I think the stuff that I can that that's
just out there publicly on display for everybody to see.
You know, a lot too was medically retired for his neck.
You know, Peyton Wilson has had a bunch of surgeries
since high school. Like those sorts of things there that
I can see and I can discern, It's like that's
right there on the table for me. I don't know
how comfortable I feel going after that. So so those

(56:10):
are those ones. The other ones that are murkier, you know,
Jackson Powers Johnson, where you hear rumblings of stuff and
hear things like that. I don't know how to feel
about it. If the team says we're willing to take them,
I'm gonna trust that it is because I have no clue.
But like, there's nothing that I can know about those
medicals and know if they're okay or not. I didn't know,
Like you hear rumblings about, oh, there may be something

(56:31):
Layton vander Ash's neck when he's coming out of school,
but like you didn't know how it was going to
play out because there wasn't anything really on the record
about it or anything that was out in public about it.
And ultimately that one didn't go the way they wanted.
You talked about the Jeremiah Trotter one where he ended
up playing ten years, and so to me, I'm I'm
kind of neutral when I hear something about Jackson Powers

(56:52):
Johnson or Jonathan Brooks or one of these guys where Okay,
I can't know specifics about it. If the team says
they're comfortable that, I'm going to be comfortable with it.
But the ones where it's like it's publicly out there,
I already know a medical staff, retired law too. I
already know there's been a million surgeris to Wilson all
over his body, not in just one particular part. Those
are the ones where I go, I don't think I'm

(57:12):
very comfortable taking those guys.

Speaker 14 (57:14):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
I mean, and when you talk about Center, I know
how Center crazy you are. Yeah, Brian, your top three
centers all have all dealt with injuries at this point,
because Fraser dealt with the knee as well, right, So.

Speaker 7 (57:27):
It's it's it's I think it also it.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
Depends, Like like Nick said, he doesn't he tries to
put them in a vacuum and kind of sort out, Okay,
what is their position, what do they do, how much
depth do you need there, whatever the case may be.
I think that for me is what plays into it.
Because even when we were talking about Brooks earlier, I mean, yeah,
like I don't like the fact that he's had an
ACL but he can recover from that.

Speaker 12 (57:49):
Now.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
If this was like five six years ago, maybe I
would be more concerned because the committee aspect was not
what people were doing. Like that you had like a
guy that ran the ball a whole bunch and couple
maybe a couple of gentlemen just fill in here and
there with short yardst situations.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
That's not what football is right now.

Speaker 9 (58:05):
These running backs are being asked to do more wide
receiver things as well, and they're lining up outside and stuff.
It's not This game isn't as punishing to me from
the running back position.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
So I might be a little bit more open.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
So I think it also just depends on the position
what you and also to the specific depth on this
team and what you need from that player right away.
But these are the top three centers are all coming
off injuries or they have issues.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
That's all the time we have today. Thanks my scout buddies,
Thanks Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Aisha Morrison, Thank you guys
out there for taking us in today. Another We got
draft shows all week, yes, sir, so we got Yeah,
we got a draft show tomorrow, same time, eleven am Central.
We will chop this up a little bit more as

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fan as well. So we're working together as a team here.
So we've got you completely covered until tomorrow. Keep scouting,
keep evalue, waiting, and we'll take we'll check you guys tomorrow.
Take care.

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