Draft Show: National Spotlight

The Dallas Cowboys don't have to share the spotlight often, but they did so this week with their coaching search and the 2025 College Football Playoff National Championship. What players from Ohio State could make sense during NFL Draft time?

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, and
now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Today is January twenty first, twenty twenty five, and we
are officially ninety three days away from the NFL Draft
in Green.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Bay, Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome into the Draft Show presented by Miller Light. We've
got Zach Wolchuck, Bryan brought us, Tommy Yarsh, Bobby belt On,
Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam in the back.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
We're excited to get rocking this week because we.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Are now in the final countdown to All Star Games.
You've got the Shrine Game coming up this week, You've
got the Senior Bowl next week. Why you Chucklinzachly, I.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Just feel like we're doing this. Chris Collins were a
slide thing with that. We're staring at a camera though,
Bryan and I are flipping back around. It's like, whoa,
it's the sliding moment. It's just it is a bit awkward,
but we're doing the best we can.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Remember we're guests here. Okay, whatever they ask us to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
We do. Hey, I'll get coffee for you.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
They tell you to take your shoes off at the
front door, whatever you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, absolutely, just don't take them off in here, please,
that's don't worry. Don't do that. Yeah, we've had some
some episodes in the past. No no, no, yeah, so
now turn back that way. Just look back at the
camera and that's just turned back this way, and then
it's all good to go. It's all ready to rock.
See that's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's like really good that.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, your eye discipline, they all
really good.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Change of direction.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Definitely lacked the long speed, but the explosive first step
quickness is there.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, Zach woldschup. Explosive is what I've had all the
way through.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
That's the first one I've ever heard that in my life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Whatever, All right, going into this week, cowboys still without
a head coach, still without a staff, and uh yet
we've got shrine bul practices in the Dallas Fort Worth
Metroplex starting in Denton on Saturday. Brian, I mean, there's
a lot of intrigue around what direction the Cowboys are
going to go. Uh, just kind of give us an
outline of where they're at on this point.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
What is the coach from the draft standpoint? Oh, from
the draft.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
Mark, No, I mean, like you said, we've we've kind
of talked about how you know, you get the scouts
back together, you have cross checks. We talked about player
nine that potentially could be a guy that maybe doesn't fit.
You need to figure out, Okay, who are the coaches
they're interviewing. Front office is it's going to let you
like listen and we're leaning this way. If he takes

(02:36):
a job, this is the kind of stuff we're going
to have to deal with.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So you just got to be ready.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
You're really kind of on alert right now, and it's
really everything is going forward. You're still evaluating players, you're
doing your cross checks, you're putting your list together. Uh,
you're just kind of making a plan for them. When
this switch flips, then you've got to be ready to
go with the players and have them. These players that
I'm talking about player nine are players that have already

(03:01):
been evaluated, but they've been given the designation of they're
not our type, but now they might become our type.
So reports are done that way. You just have to
make sure that those guys get integrated into the system
and if anybody has that a grade maybe high enough
to get them on the board for Jerry Steven, Uh,
you know, for the new coach to be able to

(03:23):
talk about that's what you have to make sure that
you're doing right now. So it's really everything full board
we've got. We've actually didn't they play a Polynesian the
Polynesian All.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Star Games, Yeah, the Hula Bowl.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Yeah, So there's there's scouts out there actually hitting these
All Star games as well any any place that they're
playing football and taking heights and weights and stuff like that.
These guys are out there doing it. So uh, nothing
has changed from that aspect of it all. But just
like the you're just a little bit anxious about, Okay,
is it going to be a coach that we're familiar
with or is it a coach from the outside. It

(03:59):
appear to me though you're kind of talking about some
guys that maybe you're more familiar with that maybe you
have an idea of how those guys will scout with you.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
And a couple of those names, I mean, one of
them was interviewed this past week and Kellen Moore, the
current offensive coordinator with the Eagles. You might have to
wait a little bit for that one, depending on how
they do in the NFC title game. Another one that's
kind of gotten some recent steam Bobby is Brian Schottenheimer
within the building offensive coordinator past week. Does that change
a whole lot from a draft standpoint if he's the coach?

Speaker 7 (04:29):
I mean, obviously, if you've got it. I think the
two big candidates we keep hearing a ton about right now,
or you know, they've interviewed Kellen Moore, They've got Brian
Schottenheimer here already. So this scouting department has worked with
both of those coaches back for so there's an understanding there.
The other thing I think is it's the famous Bill Parcells.

(04:50):
You know, if I'm gonna cook dinner, you got to
let me buy the groceries. Not every coach is that way,
but the reality of it is, I think these scouts know, Okay, fine,
we're gonna do our work, We're gonna put in our
we're gonna we're gonna do our evaluations everything else. Like that.
When the coach gets in here and tells us, hey,
I need an onion, I need a tomato, I need that.
Then what Then those scouts go, Okay, I've already evaluated.

(05:11):
Where's it? Where's the season eight? Over here? Where's the paprika?
All right? I can get you that. I can get you.
I'm gonna go through my evaluations and when you tell
me what you want, I'll tell you all right, here
are the guys. Then, these are the guys that fit
what you're asking me.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, let me ask you a question, Bobby.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
And you're really plugged in on all these stuff with scouts,
coaches and all that. How much do you think these
scouts want a coach that is going to roll up
sleeves and get involved or do they want a coach
that is going to let them bring players to them?
Like I wish to tell coaches, listen, I don't call
third down defenses, but I could find you a guy

(05:43):
that could stop somebody on third down.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So how involved?

Speaker 6 (05:46):
As you know this group very very well, how much
do you think they want a hands on coach as
opposed to a coach that's gonna let them cook?

Speaker 7 (05:55):
I think they. I think in general, most personnel people
across the league that I've talked to, they all want
coaches who are involved. They want coaches who are gonna,
you know, hey, go do the work.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
But how about the guy that walks in and and
and undoes ten months of work like an opinion or
a phone call?

Speaker 7 (06:12):
Do you do you want somebody who gets dropped in
on the process and goes like, well, I'm gonna go
to war with you on this player right now. No,
but like it's it's easier. Like for instance, we always
heard everybody in this building universally loved dan Quinn. Dan
Quinn would always go put in the work. I don't
think dan Quinn was ever gonna be a bully with
his opinion or anything else, but there there was a
respect factor there of just okay, well, well Dan seeing

(06:34):
these guys he was at.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
The combine, he was pro There's a difference between actually
going boots on the ground.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm gonna work a player and he was going to
see a play and stad like him.

Speaker 7 (06:42):
And he was And Will McLay does a fantastic job
of Hey, coaches, communicate the type of things that you
like and the type of things you want. Make that
clear to the staff here, and then the staff is
going to use their talent and their their you know,
evaluation abilities to go find all right, you want a
receiver who who's really to the change of direction? All right, well,
well my guy will go find it for you. Just

(07:02):
make sure you're clear about what you need, what you need,
and I'll go in there do it. But I think, yeah,
there's definitely a respect factor. They're just put in the work.
I think Brian Schttenheimer is a guy who's considered too.
He puts in the work with us, and he goes
on pro day trips and he's involved and respects what
we do, and we respect what he does. And it's
a nice blending.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
That's I appreciate that about Jason Garrett because this old
man being a scout. Sure, you know, I never got
to scout with Jason, but I would appreciate a guy
like that. It's a coach working and working in the
building with somebody that respected the scouts. I think the
scouts respect the coaches. I don't think they always get along.
I mean, I've been in places where coaches and scouts
don't always get along, and that's kind of a tough

(07:41):
way to operate. But you're going to disagree on players.
The only problem I had with the coach was don't
come in here and watch two games and tell me.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
About this player.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
You know, if you're going to study the player, if
you're going to I remember with Drew Henson when way
back in the day, Sean Payton still up there and
told the group with Bill Parcells, Jerry Jones, this guy
can't play. Sean really studied him. Sean went through it,
Sean went through the process. The scouts fought him on that.
But that's where I really started respecting coaches is their ability.

(08:13):
Andy Reid was the same way, John Gruden, the same
way these coaches that work there's will's got to know
the coaches that can scout and the ones that can't scout.
That's that's the really the key here is he gets
his staff together. He needs to figure out very quickly
who can do personnel stuff and who can't. You don't
want the ones who can't do personnel to ruin it

(08:34):
for the scouts who were going out there and living
on the road.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Which coach was the worst scout you ever.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Worked to a name?

Speaker 7 (08:46):
And still they just like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
I just remember meetings. I just remember meetings that where
you would sit there and like if Andy Reid had
an opinion, if Andy Reid had an opinion. I remember
Ron Wolf, the Hall of Fame general manager, would go, Okay,
let's move that, let's adjust like that. In the offensive line,
it was a lot different. Didn't have didn't maybe move
the board like we did. We're supposed to. You have

(09:08):
to prove that you can evaluate. Don't go in there
and screw the scouts up. Mike Zimmer and I went
at it one time. You know, one day Mike Zimmer's
fighting for a guy and the next day he doesn't
fight his hard. I said, you're effing up the scouts
right now. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
You got it.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
If you're gonna fight, go fight, but don't don't flip flop,
you know, and you're messing up the scouts.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's probably why he was five and twenty eight as
a head coach back in the past.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Oh he was, you know, he hes our offensive line
coach with Green Bay Packers, won.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
A Super Bowl with the guy.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Yeah, but but but Tom Levatt was not a very
good evaluated the pick.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
Larry Allen.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Nah, the doctors told us that, and I and Ron
Wolf reminded our team doctor doctor McKenzie. Every week, Hey,
when we play the Cowboys, see that number seventy three.
He's going to kick our ass today. They see you
know that guy that you failed is going to kick
our ass.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Anytime we can dig deep into Brian's past and have
him Like you said, C four Bridge, I'm always.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
For Oh gosh, on time, Michael Irvin came up and
he went. We drafted Terrell Buckley. We never should have
done that. He was so short. We couldn't use some
of it. He gets like regret. Would you ask him?

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Troy Vincent, Troy Vinson was actually a better player when
you play. When you play in a cold weather city
and you draft a player from Florida State, it's a different.
Living in Green Bays different. Troy Vincent went to school
at Wisconsin. They weren't any good, but Troy Vincent was
a better player because he was bigger, he was tougher,
and he was used to playing in cold weather. Think
about that when your scout, think about who you're drafting

(10:39):
and how it's going to affect that. That quarterback at
Buffalo perfect, He's perfect for Buffalo craft. He played with
the Laramie Wyoming Trust me, I've been there. I got
my ass kicked there War Memorial Stadium. Yeah, trust me
that that right there is perfect conditions for him to
be great in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
That's one of the reasons why you should have picked it.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Last night, the college football season officially came to a
closed Notre Dame and Ohio State meeting in the National
Championship Game. Congrats to the Buckeyes getting done thirty four
to twenty three the final score. They pretty much dominated
that whole game. Notre Dame did what they could to
get back in it, but there was a lot of
NFL draft talent on display in that game. Tommy, you
wrote an article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com that's up

(11:23):
right now if you want to go read it about
some of those exciting different individuals, different draft prospects that
were on display. Did any of them stick out to
you Before we get in to a little bit of
vier at that, I want to go Mono Emano with
these draft prospects.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, Ohio State, from top to bottom I think is
littered with draft talent. I mean, you heard all the
talk coming into college football this year. This is a
twenty million dollar roster and all that, and they got
so many of their guys who would have been top
draft prospects last year to return, and I think that
was really big for.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Them, the whole damn defensive line. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (11:58):
And speaking of the defensive line, that's what I talked about.
TYLERK Williams, the big defensive tackle there in the middle,
I thought, had a pretty good game. He was the
guy where I was talking with Nick Harris about him.
At first, I was like, I don't know if I'm
sold on this TYLERK. Williams kid and the college football playoff,
He's completely changed my mind. Really powerful in there on
the inside. Great plug, welcome to the good side. Yeah,
great plug and up space against the run, and he

(12:21):
did a good job of just collapsing the pocket I
think to close out the season two and then they've
got the pair of edge rushers and Jack Sawyer and JT.
T really really talented guys there. But I know a
lot of the talk has been on the offensive side
of the ball for Ohio State. I've obviously got that
freak show and Jeremiah Smith. He's not draft eligible until
twenty twenty seven, so that leaves you with Quinn Shawn Judkins,

(12:42):
Trevion Henderson and a Mecho Buca. Three guys that I
talked about. Judkins six touchdowns in the last four games
the season. In the College Football Playoff, he played really
well Henderson. You know, they kind of have that thunder
and lightning to him. I think are sonic and knuckles
is what it was in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Ye.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
Judkins is that physical, finished through contact, get through a
couple of guys on the ends, and we saw him
do it last night. But he doesn't have that explosive
speed to finish big runs. And he had a seventy
yard last time he got caught. Should have been a touchdown,
but he got he got hawked down from the end.
And then Henderson is the exact opposite you saw against

(13:18):
Texas when he shattered my heart into a million pieces
at the end of the first half, caught a screen
pass and went seventy five yards to the house. So
a lot of interesting things there. And then a guy
who I think is one of the better route runners
in this class and a mecha Buca kind of has
always been that second option at his time at Ohio State.
You think of the guys in front of him, JSN

(13:39):
Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison junior, and now it's Jeremiah Smith,
but just very savvy in his routes, does a good
job in zone coverage of finding the gaps and getting
up quarterbacks. So a lot of really intriguing guys.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Had a big last night.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
Big fumble, Yeah, they changed the course of the game.
But also just a really good play by Notre Dame Punch.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
So with all those get their offensive lineman too. By
the way, Simmons Jackson.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
We could talk about their roster for thirty more.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Jackson, the fact that he, yeah, the fact that he
moved from guard out to tackle when they had all
the injuries to Simmons and stuff like that. So you know,
I thought maybe that that was going to be a
little bit of a liability. But man, I'll tell you what,
Jackson Simmons is still the tackle, is still my favorite
tackle on the board. But we need to see doctor Cooper.
You know, medical has to improve. But Donovan Jackson did

(14:30):
a hell of a job. You watch the Oregon games,
the Texas game, stuff like that. This kid played very
very well.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Denzel Burke the corner had himself a really good game.
And that's somebody who is freshman year. What was really
really high and on the radar, and I think now
might be a day too early day three pick, depending
on where you're looking at him. But Denzel Burke I
thought played a really strong game last night as well,
and he struggled.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
He's had his fair share of struggles then yeah too,
so good way to close out the air. And I
know Nick and I have been on the Davis and
Igbuenosan train's physical and very well.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Sometimes he's he can get a hobby.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
He has nineteen penalties this season, so the train is
screeching a little bit. But at some points too. I
kind of like that with corners. Yeah, where they're physical
because you can you can teach them to be better
about the penalties, but if it gets to be an
excessive issue, that's that's when it's a problem. So that's
my biggest question mark on Edwinolson. But like you said,
there's some stuff to like there with him too.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
I think if you are going physical corner though, like
it better be like like Dallas is a fine spot
for it right now. Most defensive back coaches will tell
you like I can, I can coach handsy play out
of somebody it's not a quick fix. Like most defensive
back coaches that I've talked to have said, like, if
you're talking about a grabby corner, a little over physical,
I'm gonna need a couple of years of assurances that

(15:43):
we're going to be in a comfortable spot here. I've
got time to work with this guy. If I don't
have time to work with this guy last year, for instance,
I don't know if al Harris wanted to work with
an overly physical young corner, Like does he want to
necessarily work with a guy like that and try to
coach some of that out of them? They might have
some cursiony. No, not Carson specifically. I'm saying some of
the other corners that would have been I think they
may have shied away from it. If it's like saying
we don't necessarily have the time Melton, Yeah, we may

(16:05):
not have the time to work with somebody like Melton
right now. If we're talking about, hey, we need guys
who can help us right now, that's going to take
a little bit of time for us.

Speaker 6 (16:12):
Has anybody seen one Yea Thomas's brother play.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
I saw him. I have not watched him play out.
I saw him work out there.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Okay, well I'll keep I'll keep it to myself then
until you guys see him playing.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yes, did you like him?

Speaker 9 (16:23):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Yeah, he's He's like I watched him work out, but
he's kind of very impressed, kind of a grabby, you know.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
But he could really really run. He's physically plays a
lot of press coverage stuff. I talked to a team
because I was curious about this. Let me let me
hold on that. We'll talk about corners one day. Because
I want you guys to see him. I want to
be able to watch.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
I heard, I've heard, and I've heard a lot of
really good behind the scenes stuff with him that'll be.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Really in quality guy quality.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Yeah, he is. He is, like we'll wear a captain's patch.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
When he's that's exciting to hear.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
With all that being said, and kind of sticking with
the National Title game theme, I've got a little this
or that set up from some of the big names
out of that game last night, Let's start with the
running back position. Since they were so close throughout the season.
The Sonic and Knuckles, as Tommy just outlined, but Traveon
Henderson and quin Shawn Judkins from Ohio State. Both guys

(17:17):
from Ohio State. Henderson wore the number thirty two, Judkins
were the number one last night, Zach, do you have
a preference out of the two running backs.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
I think Tommy you did a great job describing, Hey,
you've got a breakaway home run threat in Travon Henderson
who can finish runs. And then you've got quin Shon Judkins,
who I do think when it comes to route running
down the field as a running back might have an
improved skill set over Henderson, but Henderson's also very capable
in the receiving game. I like the speed of Henderson.
That's why lean Henderson over Judkins. I think this team,

(17:46):
specifically from a Cowboys lends you need that. You had
Rico Dowdell, and maybe you're able to get Rico back.
But Rico similar type of runner to Judkins in between
the tackles, plays behind his pads, always falling forward, has
the ability to get yard after contact. But to me,
I watch a Trevion Henderson, I think he's got more
of that grain, that game breaking element for him. Very

(18:07):
balanced three down players, start stop quickness. I think he's
a little bit more patient allowing his blocks to set up.
That's something with Quinn Shawn Judkins that I think he's
just a little bit too fast. He wants just ram
it in there, runs behind the butt of a guard
and next thing you know, maybe he leaves a little
bit of meat on that bone. I think Henderson shows
a little bit more patience to allow things to develop
in front of him. So I leen Henderson, But Judkins

(18:30):
is one of those guys. This dude in the red
zone area short yardage, has a nose for the end zone,
much like Zeke and other Ohio State Buckeye I think
both are going to be good players in the next level.
I mean Judkins at all Miss dude Ti duce McAllister's
record with fourteenth career one hundred yard games his tape
actually in twenty twenty three, I thought maybe even more
impressive at Ole Miss. You watch him against Texas A
and M. He absolutely dominated that game. But I kind

(18:52):
of lean right now. For me, I like the speed
of Henderson, which gives me an edge there over Judkins.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Henderson in the second, Judkins in the third for me.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Now, has Judkins officially declared, I know, no, he's not.
So he's got until the twenty fourth with the National
Championship Game deadline extension, so he could come back. He
could return, but we're gonna just pretend like they're available
going in.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
I think Judkins is a good player, but like I'm
with Brian, I haven't there. I think there's definitely a
gap between those two because to me, it's just not
it's not only the game breaking element that exists with Henderson,
but it's kind of what Zach was just talking about there.
With Henderson, it's that it's the patience, it's the natural
feel for running the football, and the way to set
up his blocks and the way that he's able to
kind of anticipate where the hole is opening up and
set up defenders. I think he's really really advanced in

(19:36):
that sense. The biggest thing with Henderson for me is
just it seems like as soon as he gets contact,
he's going down like that's a big Here's there's not
a lot of breaking big runs after contact. It's just
where he's gonna have an ability to really break something,
as usually it's either just the speed getting around the
corner or it's going to be just the patients of
setting things up and finding traffic and weaving through it.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
What do you think? Yeah, real quick, he did you
say Henderson contact.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
Problem Henderson and I don't see a lot of great
contact balance, No, Henderson. I don't see a good contact
bounce with Henderson at all.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
He had six hundred and six yards after contact.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
See I see like what I see him with is
the way that he runs through traffic and the way
that he navigates is good. I don't see a guy
who breaks through very.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well average four and a half yards to carry after contact.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
How many broken tackles did he end up having?

Speaker 7 (20:17):
Let's see, that's again exactly what are we talking about?
With contact or like contacts? Those are different things to me,
and those are defined differently. So after contact can be
as little as when you're going through an area. If
you are, if you are like brushed, it's there. I
don't see a guy who like fights through tackles.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Let me see if I can find something on it.
What do you think, Tommy about the two I think
we're kind of.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
A group consensus here on Henderson Judkins.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm kind of surprised. I thought, I don't think Bobby
and I are in the same page second.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
Round, But no, we're on the same page. Terms and well, like, yeah,
skill set, we love you definitely.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
I don't think I don't think Henderson is like Derreck
Henry in terms of the ability to break through contact.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
But I don't think I think it's not more than serviceable, right, you.

Speaker 8 (20:57):
Know, I think the speed aspect of it gives him
the edge over Judkins. You know, when it comes to Henderson,
I think the I think it's sophomore year that he'suffered
an injury and people kind of forgot about him.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, but he's had some problems with that, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
And that is something to keep an eye on. But
he's still been extremely productive the course of his college career.
He scored forty two touchdowns. He's averaged six point four
yards of carry throughout his entire career. And the great
thing about the pairing with Judkins is kind of some
of that weight was taken off of his back this season.
He had one hundred and forty four carries in the
longest football season in college football history. So you know,

(21:30):
you come in with a little bit fresher legs in
this process as supposed to four straight years of being
the belcow, which is what it looked like during his
time in Hilo. State, So I thought he closed out
the year really well. I think, like you guys mentioned that,
the speed factor kind of changes things for me in
terms of Henderson not the best catcher out of the backfield,
but I think he can. He can get the job done.
He had twenty seven catches for two hundred and eighty

(21:51):
four yards in a touchdown this season.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
They're fun to watch together the way Chip Kelly used them,
unselfishness between both players blocking for each other. I mean
there were some times you saw Judkins kind of lead blocking.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, for totally hours. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I do think both could improve in pass protection though,
But Judkins is a guy he'll kind of throw his
body in there. I think Henderson chose a little bit
more technical. I think Henderson's a square block. Yeah, I
don't think Judkins, to me is a guy. I'm not
going to call him a liability, but it's not as
clean as it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Just found the mistackle numbers on both guys. Just for
a comparison purpose.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Let's put Bobby in a body back.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So Judkins had one hundred and ninety three carries just
over one thousand yards on the season. He had forty
four missed tackles. So throughout the season, five and eighty
seven yards after contact, Henderson had one hundred and forty
five carries, so right around the same over one thousand yards,
right around the same. He had thirty seven miss tackles forced,
but six hundred and forty three yards after contact, So

(22:47):
it kind.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Of aligns with both. They both missed for some miss tackles.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
They both had some opportunities, but it looks like when
Henderson was able to get touched.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
That's a that's the thing. When he breaking the tackle,
Henderson's got speed carry it further. Judkins breaking through tackles
is not going to pick up the same yard after contact.
That's why it's different to me. But in general, like
I don't think Henderson's just awful. I just see too
often it's like, all right, Henderson goes down as soon
as he's wrapped up. There's just not a lot there.
It's the patients and it's the vision. It's the ability
to kind of weave through things that I think is

(23:16):
bigger check mark in his favorite rather than a genty,
you know, breaking through a bunch of arm tackles.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Nobody does it better than gent.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
I want to see what you guys, Harvey from a
Central Florida fan. I haven't watched him yet break Yeah,
breaking tackle with Devin Neil little bowling ball out of
Kansas as well.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
I saw somebody throughout the Bucky Irving comp like he
could be this year's Bucky Irving.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm not against that. I do love me some Devin
Neil at Kansas.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Ashton Genty had more broken tackles than Judkins or Henderson
having carries this year.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, Scotch, I think we're not talking.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
About sketty that guy. That guy's awful. We're not We're
not talking to we're talking about it.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
We're not talking Does anybody watched Sampson from to see.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I I've seen some of him. I haven't done a
few a full.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Time on Samson, you guys, I've not watched I've not
watched a lot of players. I've not watched full game
Sampson yet. I've watched cut ups on Samson. I saw
Samson in person. I've not I've not watched Samson full
games yet, but I I mean I liked him.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
No, I haven't watched a full evaluation to him yet, though.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
I watched Samson a little bit I didn't think he
was as great between the tackles. Uh huh, but I
saw good explosion getting on the outside and the speed.
I don't know if I was the biggest fan. Maybe
I need to watch a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
No, if you don't like him, you don't like him.
I mean, that's that's okay, Tommy. Do you think he's
done better than Jalen Wright? Go and dig a grave
for you know? I love Jalen Right.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
The thing about this guy is like that saying I
he played against a lot of really good defenses and
was very very productive and to me, I mean his.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
He had a lot of mistackles. See.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
The problem was I was trying to get you guys
to help me with him, because you're all telling me
he's not any good. I I think he's good. I
still think he's good. So I'm not listening to anything
you guys are going to say.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
She's talking about Dylan Samson.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Dylan Samson, Yeah, so tom watching. I mean, okay, Tommy,
what else did you say about him?

Speaker 8 (25:10):
I put down he's a good outside run or not
as impactful between the tackles, comes out of his gaps
with good explosion. Sometimes got a little bit overwhelmed and
pass protection. I think he's got the.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
I thought he was better inside than he was outside
watching him run.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
So I'd actually asked somebody about it's good.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, hey, that's how you saw him. That's cool.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
I asked somebody about Sam's recently and I got a
I got a word about Tennessee guys in general, And
I don't know how you feel about this. There's apparently,
at least for some people, concerned of just like all
right with the josh hipel like you know, spread looks
that they get and everything kind of being spread out
in lighter box and stuff like that that Tennessee skill
guys can sometimes be difficult evaluations that there's questions about

(25:52):
just like how much are they just being put in
position to succeed because of some of the different light boxes.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Aren't they but they're like they've done more of like
the are a physical team running the ball?

Speaker 7 (26:02):
They're physical, But I mean in terms of like the
way they spread out their formations of different things. They
do get lighter boxes a lot of times, and so
there's questions I think about, just all right, how much
is there a benefit from scheme systems set up like that.
And when you look at some of the different Tennessee
guys that have come out skill position wise recently, Tillman, Valen,
these different guys like that, Jalen Like there's questions about

(26:23):
how much is it tough impacting?

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, because Jalen Hyade you just saw open downfield all
the time when you watched him play. But that so
far has not translated in the NFL. And that might
also be. Hey, he's playing for the Giants and there's
a big quarterback problem there. But Jalen Hyatt so far,
my evaluation was wrong on him. I had him much
higher two years ago in the draft, thought, hey, top
of the second round, I'd be very interested in Jalen Hyde.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
And he has not had production at the NFL level
now now he hasn't really done much a whole lot.
Who was the one that out of YouTube with Samson
that talked about pass blocking?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I did you thought about it? It was a little such
he does back? No, No, he does.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
He's absolutely right about that passlock. I'll fight him on
anything else. Yeah, I mean he's right about.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I bet I got a back that you haven't watched.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Todge Brooks from Texas Tech's watched him, I have not
watched Okay, best pass blocking back in the draft. He's
also lateral ability through the roof.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
And we'll get to see if the East West shrine
ball todge Brooks.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
If you want a guy, if you want to wait
till day three, maybe even yeah, sign me up for
todge Brooks from Texas Tech. Now that's also got not
a burner kind of rico doubt less. Right, he's not
going to beat anybody with his long speed, but super
productive three down player. He didn't come off the field
at Texas Tech. I think he played like ninety five
percent of their offensive snaps. I think he broke all
their like rushing rerecord. Yeah, the work, he is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
The gosh, who's the guy that was Denver running back
a couple of years ago? Real wide cat Philip Lindsay.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
No Williams.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Maybe he it was wide running back who his best
traits are going side to side Monty ball and then
hit it. Yes, Monty ball, That's what I'm taking. Okay,
that's who I like. I like that guy. That is
who whenever I see todge Brooks, that's who I remind
reminds me.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Of hits the gap. Well, he waits for blocks to develop.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
He runs behind pack light, a big lower body, powerful runner, good.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
First step, but the closing speed's not there. The finishing
speed he gets tracked down from behind.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I liked how will Tommy outlined it with Ohio State
hawked down from behind.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
He gets that every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
But if he gets open field, you're gonna get twenty
thirty yards out of him, and he's going to continue
to just chip away at an offense. He needs to
be in an offense that's allowing him to be a warhorse.
That's where he's got. Yeah, he gets better the game
goes on, Yes he does. He's a very good fun player.
All right, good running back conversation. When we come back
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There you go, Thank you guys. All right, first question, uh,
what position of need will most likely most easily be
addressed in free agency? What you see exactly so that
you can continue to draft other positions. This comes from jam.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
I answered that question myself on Twitter because I knew
you probably weren't gonna go to it.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
You didn't think I was gonna go through.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
I didn't think you're I reached out to the moment.
If you look at Twitter, I answered the okay, here
let me and that's why I asked him I said.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
What's what's what's free agency?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah? I was going to go to it. Yeah, oh yeah,
what's free agency? With a smiley face. It's got one
hundred and eleven likes and four retweets are already there.
You go, well, yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Honestly, they've got they've got so many. I don't think
they really going to play in free agency at all.
I just don't. Yeah, don't figure their their version of
free agency is going to be to try and sign Lewis,
to try and sign Osa, to try and sign Golston,
if they fact can do that.

Speaker 7 (32:34):
Their their history says, if they're going to sign a
position to get a veteran in here and and cover
over some deficiencies, that's typically receiver. So they'll go look
at James Washington, they'll go get Randall Cobb, they'll go
get Brandon Cooks. So if they need a if they
need something to just kind of cover their bases a
little bit, receiver, it is historically been one they'll do.
But in general, they they tend to go to the

(32:54):
bargain bin and we'll sign free agentcy just about all
their positions that need just to go, well, at least
we have somebody there if we get shut out in
the draft.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah, to me, it's it's going to be they're going
to draft first and then kind of figure out what
they need from there, just like I say, bottom fishing,
exact exactly what they're gonna do. And they're gonna hope
that they find Carl Lawson and you know, guys like that, that's.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
What they're gonna hope. Super exciting.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Guys. Love this conversation, all right.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I didn't think picked the question, That's why I answered it.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Kind of along the same lines, but not at the
same time. Chase on Twitter asked if you could only
get three starters from this draft in your first three rounds,
so rounds one through three, what position groups would you
put those starters at and why if you were guaranteed
a starting spot with your first three picks, what would
those three position groups be?

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Oh, wide receivers one of them for sure for me.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, wide receiver, running back, defensive tackle. Yeah, I think
I was thinking d tackle or.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Corner, wide receiver, running back guard.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
You have to go second, No, I D I kind
of like.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
What I kind of like what the skeleton crew is
showing you on the offensive line at the end of
the year, like I, I mean, I think that there
are there is where I got more questions right now.
I think if you're going to move on from from
you know, if Zach Martin's going to end his career
he moves on or whatever else. I think that there
was some encouraging things that you saw in the interior
there with Tyler brought off and Bby you've got bass linebacker.

(34:26):
I have hope that Terrence Steele is going to be
able to bounce back with a new coaching staff. That's
that's my hope. And and a left tackle. I mean, look,
we talked about this at the time. Tyler Goeyiton wasn't
necessarily ready to go right away. That's why we were
talking about the doga as a possibility. I still have hope,
and I think there were enough flashes in there to

(34:47):
me that I say I'm I'm going to bank on.
I think a second year jump is reasonable at this
point for Guiden. I I still think that I'm not
nearly as out. Actually, I think I know there's a
lot of people who have.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Seen to tackle that gets pin. Fix that and you'll
probably have a pretty good tackle.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Think a solid option as well. I liked what we
saw from Austin.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Swing tackle sure, so like I mean, I'm not saying
it's perfect, but I do have more questions that do
you have enough bodies at defensive tackle right now? Do
you have enough running back? Do you have enough at receiver?
So i'd probably say those three spots.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
You said linebacker, Brian, do you think you need a
starter at linebacker?

Speaker 6 (35:20):
I think And there's questions about when over overshown is
probably not coming back till December, right what do you
have behind that right now?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
You have nothing?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, you're gonna have to figure outs media foul and
that's I would.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
I wouldn't be surprised at forty four that they find
a linebacker at the second round pick.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
If you like kid, if you hot Campbell's there, I'd
be throwing a party.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
I don't know if Campbell will be there, but yeah,
I think that might be. You might have to go
around early. These linebackers so far, I mean it's it's
been a pretty thin group of the I think I've
studied eighty one players so far, so I mean it
would be a little bit of a that's a hard
one to do, but you don't. Maybe that's where free agency.
I know we were kind of just joking around with
free agency, but maybe that's a position they're going to

(36:02):
have to go out and address, you know, maybe the
bottom fishing that we talk about.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
They did that with Eric Hendricks last year, like they
went and signed a guy. Ye if they've signed some
veteran linebackers in the past. What do you think your
three positions.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
I'm with Bobby in the line of thinking on the
offensive line of you know, I think that you can
work with what you've got and I think, like you said,
a reasonable expectation is for Tyler Guiding to be better
in year two. So if that's the case, and running back,
defensive tackle, and corner. For me, I think that you've
got you know, deep rooms in each of in all
three and kind of depending on where you take them,

(36:35):
you can get a you know, a pretty solid player
out of any of the three. I think, you know,
at twelve, I would still be a fan of John A.
Barron from Texas cot if that's the pick. Yeah, right,
just because I think so much of this running back
class that you can wait till the third round, I
think to get a quality guy.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Let me ask you this, Tommy. Last year, we said
they needed a running back.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yep, and what did they do. They never took a run.
They waited, they never took a right, They got wiped.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Didn't even get close to it.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Actually, we are we do we trust them to when
we asked them to take a running back, to them
to take a running back.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
I think in this class, yes, I think so.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
I thought the last year's class was pretty damn good too,
you know, and they didn't take a running back.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
I think they got I think they get cute. No,
I think that board just I don't think they anticipated
quite the run in the fourth round that hit. I
think they thought somebody would get to them in the
fifth round and then it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I want to trust them to take a running back
years ago.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, the run two years ago, because they were really
I mean, they were high on Johnson out of Texas,
they were high on Charbonnay out of U. C.

Speaker 14 (37:42):
L A.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
They had some guys that.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
They were looking at two years ago and it just
dried up on them and they weren't able to take
the guy Henry ended up taking Deuce Vaughan in the
sixth Yeah, that's the that's the run that I keep
going back to.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Yeah, so if you go look at, for instance, last year,
the Trey Lance pick that got traded to San Francis.
In the immediate aftermath, right after that pick, the there.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Was just this run by Irving.

Speaker 7 (38:09):
Yeah, it was, it was, it was I'm trying to
remember what it was, was Bucky Irving, it was Grendo,
and then there was one more in there. It was
I can't remember Sean Lloyd, but it was so right
after the pick, it was Bucky Irving. Then two picks
later it was Will Shipley, then it was Ray Davis,
then it was Isaac Garend. It was four running backs,

(38:29):
and so those are four running backs who I think
they would have been interested in looking at in the
fifth round. And so I don't know that they totally
anticipated there was going to be just a wipe like
that at the end.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Okay, if Ryan Schottenheimer ends up being the head coach,
there's no question they they they take a running back
in the first two days they do, they don't have
one on the roster right now, So I mean, Enrico
might have ended up playing himself into a contract that
is too rich for you to be able to bring back.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So you have to have a running back.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
And I mean looking at this class, I mean, I
know we talked about Jen there's a lot of hype.
Now Gent might go as high as eight to the
Bears because of the Ben Johnson hiring there. Maybe he
wants to go and get his Jamior Gibbs and that'd
be pretty scary. So maybe it's not at twelve, but
maybe it's in the second round. You're looking at is
Caleb Johnson. There is a Marion Hampton, There's Trevon Henderson there,
and those could be options. But I don't see them

(39:17):
coming out of the third round and not having a
running back.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I hope you and Tommy are right. I do. I mean,
but last year it was very clear.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Do you think the fact that with Ezekiel Elliott that
was their ace and the whole thing, and I remember.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
We talked about that on a terrible like that was
a fallback option?

Speaker 7 (39:33):
I hope do you want do you want him to
show some a little John Schneider to him and.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Just John John overtrafts running backs.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
John Snider's gonna take a running back in the top fifty.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Every year John had ten picks, and they all could
be running backs. He'd be super happy.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
But I just like to say I would like to
see them.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
I would like to see them put some some emphasis
on this. I'm not asking them to take genty in
the first yeah, but I'm asking them if he gets
the second, third round, give me the Well, he's the
same as uh, you know, this is this He's a
lot like Rico Daddle. I don't know, man, every one
of these backs I've seen, and I respect Rico Daddle,
but every back that I've seen on this board, I
would take over Rico Daddle. Yeah, every one of them.

Speaker 8 (40:13):
And if you wait till the second and you take
Caleb Johnson, your set.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I agree.

Speaker 8 (40:19):
If you if that's your second round pick.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think you're good. Yeah. Yeah, I just I don't
know if they're going to do it or not. That's
what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
You know, Uh, there's there's they've waited too long before,
and I've done I've done work with with Jeff Cavanaugh,
who's a Draft Show veteran.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Fan, and he he traded he traded back twice and
and getting all these picks and still didn't get all
the positions. Still, oh there's too many positions.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
That means still traded back twice and still can grab
a receiver.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Couldn't you know?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
That might answer this next question to Peter asked because
of the amount of holes on the Cowboys roster.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
He's not the only one to asked this question.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Is there a position group where you'd feel comfortable doubling
up doing running back spots?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Definitely feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Don't get one early, get one late?

Speaker 7 (41:04):
What do you consider doubling up? So typically when I
hear of double dipping, I don't think of like throwing
a dart at the back end of the sixth or
the seventh. I think of that as just your going talent.
So when I think double dip, I think you take
you take a woozy A in the second, and you
take Jordan Lewis and the third like they did that year.
So I think more like am I taking two of
the same position in the top five?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I'd say through the top five? Yeah, top five rounds
is pretty safe. Bet those are premium picks.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
For the most part, I don't know if I could
two defensive linemen I could be convinced of two defense
a lot. I don't know about two edge two tackles,
but I could be convinced to two defensive linemen have
flex and can do some different things. I might be
depending on who it is. I might be convinced to
take a Day one or Day two receiver. And then
if there's somebody else you really like in the fifth
or something like that, I could be convinced of that too.
But those are the only positions that kind of stand

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out that.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Would just leave holes elsewhere, like running back if you
were going to do something like that.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
That's why it's so tough when you don't play in
free agency, Like you've got to be able to fit
this roster in some other ways. But if I'm looking
at my edge in defensive tackles on the board, yeah,
that's a meaty position right there. I mean you're looking
first second round, like if you don't. I am an
advocate for Mike Green at twelve. I don't think that's
too high for him. I think he is the second
best edge. I think he could be a DeMarcus ware

(42:17):
like pro I really do. I believe in Mike Green.
I would take him at twelve in a heartbeat, and
I think after he goes and kills the Senior Bowl,
other people are probably gonna fall suit and be like
this dude's a top fifteen pick. I think at twelve
that's fine, and it's a premium position. You need edge help,
you need defensive ends, but defensive tackle might be a
great spot in the second round. Like Harmon, I think
people are very different On. I think he's a first

(42:40):
round cals Kauaier Oregon, Oregon. But if he falls in
the second round, I'd be very excited. Like Kenneth Grant
super athlete. I know Michigan defensive tackles that is PTSD,
But if Kenneth Grant falls to you in the second round,
that's a hell of a value.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Pick, right there. Is he gonna fall to you in
the second round? I don't think so. I think he's
too good first not with fifteen first round grades on
the board.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah, but I mean Walter Nolan, like, that's a dude,
and I haven't been heard.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I don't love him getting much.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
But in the third round, would you feel i'd feel
good about in the third round?

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Oh yeah, I thought you were talking about forty four. No,
he's gonna prove me way wrong. That kid will prove
me way. Where's he out of old miss Yeah? Then
in the A and M the Ohio State kid Williams.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
There was somebody who asked about Twitter on the twenty
for Nolan, So, Brian, could you tell us about him
a little bit?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
No, I can't, because I mean I can't.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
I mean, come on, come on. So you're saying he's
third round, but you're not gonna say he's like a
oh Soo Diggy Zua third round, or like Michael Gallup
third round, John Cy, or like a day three Duran Glad.
You're not getting those guys. You're just saying like this
is a no.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
Transfer from Texas A and M. Two seasons with the
Aggies for going to Oxford. He's done a decent job
coming off the ball. There are times repeers quick and
other times where he's a little slower. Good sized physician,
good upper body as well as lower body mass, and
the running game is strength is evident in how he
can shoot his hands instantly and impact the blocker from
getting off the ball. He's got a good grasp strength
and he can control the offensive lineman and shed them,

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make a play, there's snaps, will get knocked around, some
playoff balance, will get will quickly jump into gaps or
slants and stunts. Has moments where he creates penetration in
order to disrupt the play. Decent change of direction with
the ability to adjust to the ball care as a
passers who uses more power than he does quickness. Doesn't
have many pass rush moves, but he will use his
hands to try and push the blocker around. We'll struggle

(44:25):
to keep his balance at times, like in the running game,
he will get knocked around. Some can get to the quarterback,
but will struggle to finish. Needs more consistency overall. That
doesn't sound like a guy I want at forty four.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I've got him in the third round.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Yeah, that's you know, and people are asking me and
I have a chance to be really wrong about him.
Him and those Texas A and M kids. Yeah, I
know anybody that's played at Texas A and M. I
already have a problem with.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I mean, Shamar Stewart I threw in the third round too.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I just didn't honestly, and I could be so wrong
about Shamar Stewart from Texas A and M.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
But I didn't love what I saw there. I think, sorry,
go ahead, No, you're good.

Speaker 8 (44:59):
I think you guys are wrong. On Walter Nolan, I
really like this kid. I put quick and powerful. He's
hard to block one on one as a knack for
getting into the backfield, can kind of blow up run plays,
collapse the pocket like we've talked about some guys earlier,
kind of throws guys off of him sometimes. Sure, and
but Brian didn't make a good point where there's there's
some reps where I watch where he gets that initial

(45:20):
push but then kind of gets knocked around, he doesn't
drive his legs forward, gets cursed back as a result.
I've got him in front of Kenneth Grant. I think
he's the second best tackle so and that's and that's
that's a compliment to Grant too, because I really like Grant.
I think that you know what he can do at
six three three and thirty nine pounds. I know that
there's the trauma about the defensive tackles from mission.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Both of these guys are really just.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Throw it out the win. So Tommy, can I ask
what games you watch? Did you put down what games
you watched?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Bunny?

Speaker 8 (45:48):
I watched a couple I didn't watch that didn't put
down the exact ones that I've watched, but I watched
a couple from his time at A and M and
a couple from at Miss Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
When Brian's outlining the cons to Nolan and what he brings,
what doesn't give you that same pause? Why do you
still put him as high as you do.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
I just think that his size, like Brian was talking
about his upper body and how big he is up
there and how athletic he can be with that frame,
that's really attractive to me. I think that you want
to see more of the motor on every snap from him,
and those places where he doesn't just kind of I
don't want to say give up on it mid play,
but just kind of get pushed back after he gets

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good initial push. But I think I just think that
there's a lot to like there and he can get
after the pastor on like a delayed pass rush. We've
seen that kind of increase in the NFL last couple
of years. A good enough athlete to do that and
has enough power to, like I mentioned, throw guys off
of him.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
But you know, I can understand why Brian thinks the
way that he does.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
I think people are I don't know, Brian, you may
see too, just from some of the buzz that exists
out there, that some of the athletic testing on Nolan
might make you circle back on him too and want
to do more, just because I think a lot of
people look at at Nolan. I think he's gonna have
a lot of people buzzing just in general about what
kind of an athlete he is at the possession. There's
a lot of people who go like, yeah, you can

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mold that.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
That's why I was expecting more quickness from him.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Yeah, I've got Sanders from South Carolina and Norman Lott.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
The hyphenated name, uh was my Norman lot Tennessee, Tennessee CE.
He was a transfer from Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
He's a Senior Bowl guy.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, I've got I've got them ahead. Is Norman going
the Singer Bowl? I don't believe. So it doesn't look
like it.

Speaker 11 (47:25):
I do.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
I love Sanders from South Carolina as well.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
Okay, well, I'm just you know, I like I say,
I wanted to if you knew what games you'd watched.
I was curious because I watched him play against LSU
and Georgia, and that's where I got kind of my first.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Initial Arkansas LSU Georgia. That's what I want you watch
all right?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Good Twitter on the twenty questions as always out there.
Well I answer some more on Thursday as well when
we come back. We talked about early offensive lineman on Tuesday.
Where could you get an offensive lineman in the first round?
Who would you feel comfortable there? What happens if you
don't go that direction and you take Ashton Danty in
the like Bobby Belt wants to do. Let's do it
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Speaker 3 (50:41):
Big Casper the friendly Ghost was a little.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
Bit yeah yeah, that's how That's why we nicknamed him.
Just the way he moves across that clack.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Smooth, good change of direction like I talked about, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Clay Court, what you're saying, we played Clay Court in
this thing.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
Just in general, that's where he's That's where he's really strong.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Oh is he slow? So surfaces?

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Is the click slower?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Yeah? Okay, Yeah, I think it's slow.

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Grasses grass is fast.

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Grass is fast. Clay is slow. You slide to the ball,
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Speaker 2 (51:13):
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what the type of analysis you.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Get offensive line. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Well, uh, because of the Dallas Open, the Shrine Bowl
is actually taking place up at our neck of the woods.
Zach Wolchuk up in the University of North Texas A.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, you'll be out there tonight.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Practices will be up there on the starting on Saturday,
and then we've got the h the actual bowl game
at AT and T Stadium next Thursday. We're right here, everybody,
We're right here. Plus uh, Tommy and I will be
flying out to Mobile on Monday, so we'll be out
there the whole week for for singa bowl.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Uh getting Tommy's going to carry you that trip.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Thank God, about time. We haven't been in a couple
of years. And that's probably why they needed somebody to
baby sit. Maybe his bad and then you're gonna carry
my bags Tommy. Tommy's already prout donuts rookie party. I
mean that's true.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
Bron Briant's just gonna be angry and and he's gonna
be upset because he doesn't get to go to Senior
Bowl or Combine. He's upset.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
It was upsetting.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I don't blame him.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
We're gonna we're gonna bring you with us to the
morning show next year.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Brian.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
We're gonna make sure you're switched off.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
We need to have a show switch here.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, you guys can go do baseball. We'll do the combine.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
There you go, no off.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
But he got on offense.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
All right.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I got two dudes for you.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
These are not Day one offensive lineup.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I think well, one of them might end up being
pushed up because there's not a ton of great tackles.
But I think they're both second round guys. I'll start.
You want guard or tackle first, I'll go guard.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Wyatt Milem out of West Virginia. When we're looking for
clean players in this draft, he's a clean player. Started
thirty two to thirty six games at WVU, thirty one
in a row. Iron Mountaineer Award winner didn't allow a
sack or quarterback hit his junior season. Started eight games
at right tackle as a freshman before moving to left tackle.
So he's got that versus along the offensive line. He

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was a super high recruit coming out of West Virginia.
Finishes blocks, he plays mean, really seems to understand the position.
In my opinion, smooth lateral movement sinks his hips, plays
with good pad level. You know, he's a guy that
does play with two big old braces.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
On the knees.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
But I think now watching these offensive linemen, they're all
playing with braces, so I'm not as scared by that.
I think he can play tackle if he need him
to at the next level. But I like him inside
working in a phone booth. The combo blocks can be mean,
working with a center, the tackle, the consistency there, I
think that's something that lacks with a lot of these
offensive linemen that you're watching this year. I don't have

(53:38):
that question with Wyatt Milam, and I like the meanness
in which he plays with big fan of him six six,
three seventeen out of the West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
I would take him and feel very good about it.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
But you're probably getting a guard if you want to
tackle Arianta Ursery from Minnesota. Okay, he is all right,
but I thought against Abdul CARTERI held his own so
early on in that game. He's fighting for his life
in pass protection. But he did a really good job.
I thought of adjusting. He's able to move off the ball,
drive him in the run game. I think he adjusted

(54:10):
well to kick him wide to the quarterback and pass
bro as the game goes on. But it's the physicalness
in which he plays with, and he's got long, long arms.
He's inconsistent with his hands, needs to get better there,
and he can get sloppy with his technique, gets off balance.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
He had played football since I mean he only played
football his junior year.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Right right three year starter started the final thirty eight
games of his career at left tackle.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
But you're right, he only started his junior year there.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
And he also track and field guy, shot put, discus, javelin.
So he is a strong, powerful, mean streak. And that's
probably the thing that I like about both these guys.
They're nasty, they're people movers, right, I'm gonna knock you
out off the football, and I'm gonna knock your nose
in the dirt.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
And I like that for my offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Nursery and mylem would be two guys I'd be very
excited about in the second round.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So you want you want Milam to move to guard
right short, I like both of those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I think he could play tackle.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I like him better as a guard to when we
were watching Zach Frasier last year. You remember him the
center who was just a road greater nail eater. I
remember looking across and being like, man, who's this guy
next to him? Just a couple spots down that's wearing
the number seventy four, Like, who is this guy? And
it was it was why a mile? And I agree

(55:24):
with the strength. I think his pad level gets a
little high at times. He kind of gets over the
top a bit coming out of his stance, but for
the most.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Part, strong lower body, road greater as well.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
They ran the ball super well this year at West Virginia,
really well, and I think he's more part of the reason.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Why and the versatility he showed throughout his year.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
His years up in Morgantown certainly work out in the favor.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Tommy, Who you got?

Speaker 8 (55:47):
I got Luke Candra guard from Cincinnati, six four three
and twenty three pounds, spent his last two years. They
are transferred from Louisville. This guy is an iron man.
He played almost seventeen hundred snaps in his last two
seasons with Cincinnati, did not give up a sack in
twenty twenty four. He's more technically savvy than he is
just a straight power guy. But I think in the
right scheme he can be a really good plug in.

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Played primarily right guard, but I think he can slip
in anywhere on the interior and give you something in
the late you know, maybe late day two or early
day three. Kind of a value pick there. So give
me Luke Candra Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Okay, six foot four three, twenty three Cincinnati native too
went yeah, went back home.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
You got anybody, Brian, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I've got a couple of guys here that I really
really like. I think I talked about Charles Grant from
William and Mary last time I did this thing, But
I want to I want to focus on another guy here,
and I'm going to mess up his name because I
always mess.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Up these names.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
It's one of my favorite things to do. Ozzie Trapilo
from Boston College. He's six seven three fourteen. This guy's
got and this is going to kill him right here
to you guys, this guy's got some Tyler Geidton in him.
And I say this from watching his Oklahoma tape. But
he's played a lot more games than Tyler gut And
has played. He's played all the offensive line positions. He's

(57:02):
got size, he's got linked, and he's got feet.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
He's a little bit of a shorter guy right only
he said six seven three fourteen.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Oh no, I was yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
But there's some snaps where he will bend at the
waist because of how tall he is. But man, he
will he will fight, and you know he loses sustained
at times. But any block that involves movement, he is
good to go reach block scoop blocks. He will find
his way from the defender. I really do like this guy.
He only has allowed two sacks and two seasons, but
I think he's a really good pass blocker and he's

(57:36):
developing as a run blocker. So but he's got some
When you watch Geyton played at Oklahoma, he's got a
little bit of that game to him, So keep that
in mind when you're when you're taking a peek at him.
And then also too, I I also one of these,
uh Marcus Membo who's a guard from Purdue. He's a
start and right tackle, and I think they're gonna probably

(57:58):
have to kick him inside. He's a little bit of
a smaller guy, but the athletic ability, the movement skills.
Majority of his snaps are played a two point stance.
Never saw him as hand on the ground, so I
got to kind of keep an eye on that. But
his hands are good and his feet are good, and
there's some there's some snaps where he completely misses sometimes,
but he'll scramble to replace everything.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
So I really do like him. Might lack a little.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
Bulk, but there's some really good toughness to his game
what makes him ideal for that inside position. And I
think that when you the more that he could play
on the move, the better he can play.

Speaker 12 (58:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Look, just for name purposes, Trapillo Trapillo yep, okay, is
what you've got there in the bound bow?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, I'm trying to find him as well. Yeah, Bobby,
you got any names?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (58:43):
And this is one that I was trying to figure
out early on if this is a guy that was considered.
I don't have him in the first and I was
trying to figure out if he was going to go
on the first and I think some of what I've
heard is that he sounds like he'd be more of
a Day two option earlier in day two. But that's
Tyler Booker, who I really like at Alabama. If you
want to redo on the Osiris Torrence thing, to me,
Booker is a guy like that. It's there's not a
lot of great foot quickness. Athletic guys can give him

(59:05):
some trouble at times, but you want to talk about
power and somebody who can move like make space really quickly,
play with a lot of power in past protection, even
though he doesn't have great foot quickness, can get square,
can handle guys work in that tight area. I think
Tyler Booker's really impressive and a guy who, like you know,
for for a guy who's a interior player and a
big bullker player, he played, he's got a lot of
really good length. He just doesn't have the foot quickness

(59:26):
or the size, the nimbleness to be outside and play
a tackle or anything like that. But I think on
the interior, Tyler Booker would be a really good option
in the second round.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Player too, yeah, very real good.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Do you think this team looks at the miss of
Cyrus Torans at all, like like you talked about trying
to redo there and go get some size.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
They probably don't. I don't know that. I don't think
they look at it and go like because.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
That's I don't think it's the second time we've mentioned
his name this year already.

Speaker 7 (59:53):
I think we probably look at it that way, or
fans will look at it that way. I think the
team has a tendency to say, these are our guys,
these are the ones we had move. I don't know
how much this team. I think they probably just think
about Taco Charlton himself rather than in the context of
t J Watt. I think they just think of the
things that they the moves they made, rather than the
ones they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Uh it is just bow yeah, no, uh yeah, now
due watch he's a good player, Mark bu.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Buns, So there you go, Yeah, pal Buns. All right,
that does it for us here on the Draft show.
I hope you had some fun investigating and educating. Will
be back on Thursday. To talk it through with you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Well, Tommy won't be here to argue with. No, he's here,
Oh is he?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I'll bring some more doughnuts. It'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Don't bring the donuts delicious. Yeah, Zach Well brought us Tommy, Risch,
Bobby Belt, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yellmans.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
We'll see you next time on the Draft Show.

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