Draft Show: Playing the Probabilities

The Draft Show crew discusses some possible trade up scenarios, who could go where, and how the board could fall as the countdown to the NFL Draft hits single-digits!

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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Today is Tuesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty four, and we
are officially single digits.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Nine days away from the.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan, coming up next Thursday. As
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's time to get things going. Nine days away.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I Isha Morrison, Brian pratdess Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Jasmin
Marshall running everything in the back of Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It is here. It's it's crazy that we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
And I feel like we say this at the start
of every episode, but it's crazy how quickly it's come
up upon it. But are the boards set at this
point right? Still shifting, still shifting, shifting it around.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
You're working on some final What will happen is this
week will be where they'll get it organized and then
next week they could start doing the mock drafts or
making their calls and all that. So, yeah, we still
got some discussions that will be made.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know, there'll be some position groups. They'll be some
groups that are a bit lighter than others, and they'll
be able to get through those a little bit quicker.
But you want to try and do this, I mean,
the final push. You want to make sure you're as
fresh as possible. You know, it's a it's a little
bit of a daunting task to to put that thing
together as we're all learning. But they've they've got this

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week and then next week will be about trying to
make sure they got everything lined up on the board
with their medical, any trade possibilities, alert teams what they're
interested in, and then kind of navigate that and get
ready for Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's crazy how quickly it hasn't been quick because these guys.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Have been doing it for three hundred and sixty days
and then watching these prospects as juniors and sophomores and freshmen.
But now it's coming down to the wire and we're
getting really close. But they've got some tough decisions to make,
and we have some tough decisions on the docket as well. Brian,
you have some would you rather I want to get
into this? Yeah, so we have time on for Twitter
on the twenty. Would you rather this prospect or that prospect?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Who you want to start it off with?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, let me start it off here by I had
all these. You did a great job of getting all
these on our phone, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Was want me to give you the first two.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Go ahead, give me the first two. Hang on, I
get it right here.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
It go it all right, and I'll start with you
on this one. Nick, We'd rather have Kate. This is
an offensive line compares a couple of tackles.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Caden Wallace from Penn State or Christian Jones tackle from Texas.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:59):
I really like this one because both of these guys
have a ton of experience at right tackle. I think
both of them over forty games. I like Kayden Wallace
a little bit more. I have him in the fourth.
I think he's a little bit more athletic. I think
he's got positional versatility that you can kind of slide
him inside if you wanted to with the next level.
Whereas Christian Jones, I think he's a true right tackle,
and he's more of a you know what you're getting

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when you get him. I think Wallace there's still something
unlocked there. So I'm taking Wallace. But I think Jones
could bring a lot of experience to a to an
offensive line room for.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
Sure, Robert Cayden Wallace or Christian Jones.

Speaker 9 (03:34):
I mean, I really like Kateen Wallace.

Speaker 10 (03:36):
I think I higher on Kyten Wallace than probably most
other people are because I've got Cat and Wallace in
the third round.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (03:42):
But to me, like it's not flashy with Caden Wallace.
It's not like you see a whole bunch of like
wow moments or oh my gosh, he's just mauling this guy,
or you know, you have those sorts of moments with him.
But he's just he's so clean technically. I think he's Honestly,
if you're just talking about next year, who's more pro
ready to step in and take nflsuster, Kate and Wallace
might be more ready.

Speaker 9 (04:01):
Than Olu Fashnu on the other side.

Speaker 10 (04:04):
Fat Like, to me, I think Katean Wallace is ready
to step in and you know, contribute and not get
overwhelmed technically, Like there's still some stuff with fashion now
that you're working out.

Speaker 9 (04:13):
But I think that.

Speaker 10 (04:14):
Wallace is just he's steady across the board. You don't
see him all in. He always competes, he's always generally
when he's black. I don't see him ending up on
the ground a lot. I don't see him losing very frequently.
Christian Jones is a maler like. He plays with a
ton of power and it looks really impressive at times.
But I just look at him and I think that
that's somebody who has sincere athletic limitations and is somebody

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who I don't think his hands and his feet are
always working in harmony the way that I see it
more frequently with Kayden Wallace.

Speaker 9 (04:45):
So I take Katan Wallace pretty easily.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Yeah, Kyle, you got some there.

Speaker 11 (04:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think when you're looking at Christian Jones specifically, you
mentioned the strength. He's got pro ready strength, but his
footwork is not there. There's a lot of cleaning up
you're going to have to do whenever it comes to
his footwork hand play.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
He gets in trouble, but he gets out of it
with how strong he is. He reminds me of.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Some of these unpolished guys that you can maybe develop
into a high level depth piece at the offensive line position.
He's not going to be ready to start immediately. Going
back to exactly what Nick and Bobby just said, I
think Wallace could start now. I think he could and
maybe not be a high level guy, but like a TJ.

(05:25):
Bass and a bron Hoffmin where you can service him
into certain starting roles and get some significant stats snaps
in a pinch. I think that's where he could work
into it, just because I think he is more pro
ready and he's cleaner with his footwork across the board.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Hiisha, Yeah, I would be going with Kayden Wallas in
this situation. I mean Nick brought up just the fact
that it's the consistency for me is that when you
watch the tape, it's not with Christian Jones. There were
times like I love how he fires off the ball.
I like how he's able to get to the second level.
But Bobby made a fantastic point saying that it's not
always in harmony and with Kayden Wallace, I think you

(05:58):
see them more consistently what they were able to well, yeah,
what they were able to do there in Penn State.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, I wonder if people really look at Christian Jones
maybe as a guard, you know, maybe that you might
be a little bit better prospect there with not having
to deal with all.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
The stuff on the outside. But I guess, yeah, the feet.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
The thing about it is, I got both of they
both a lot of games, you know. I mean, Christian
Jones has made forty eight starts for Texas, and that's
that's pretty impressive when you start to talk about but
you're right, everybody's right here where he will struggles with
the athletic opponent. But I had both those guys in
the fourth round. That's why I had him right there,
just trying to kind of get an idea where you

(06:37):
guys stopped Bobby the Kai Wingo defensive tackle Texas A
and M Dwayne Carter defensive tackle from.

Speaker 9 (06:46):
Duke McKay Wingo from Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
But I say, Jackson, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I was worried about the thing with the Duke one. Yeah,
Wingo LSU, I'm sorry about that Wingo l sh. I'm
stingoing Texas aname for some stupid reason. And then uh,
and then the Wayne Carter from Duke.

Speaker 10 (07:09):
And I have them, like I mean, I haven't gotten
that deep into my entire stack yet to where they
would be in there, but on the defensive tackle rankings
that I have there right next to each other, and
so I think they're very similar I would take. I'm
a little hesitant because I think the the the size
issues with Wingo do show up at times where where
you can see that length gives him a problem, and
that's not as much of an issue with Dwayne Carter.

(07:32):
They're both similar to me, and that they're both like
hot motor guys and big effort guys. To me, I
think that Wingo's get off is just a little bit better,
like his snap anticipation is a little bit better, and
I think he's better at using his hands and getting
off of blocks, and so for me, it'd be Wingo.
I don't love either one of them outside of like
round five, that's where I have both of them. But

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wing go to me just slightly over Carter.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I think I'm a little higher on Carter than most people.
I have them late third round grade on him.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't know where you guys have him.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think he's a top one hundred player or a
borderline top one hundred player. I love his play strength,
I love his ability to find the football, always looking
to force a turnover. He finished Duke, He finished fourth
in Duke program history and forced fumbles.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And we're talking about an interior defensive line.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
When we're not talking about an edge rusher that's coming
off the edge and hitting it from behind and getting
to the back the blind side of a quarterback. You're
talking about a guy that just knows how to get
to the football and know how to make a play.
He was eleventh in Saxon program history too. He's limited
from an athletic standpoint, and I agree with you. I
think Wingo has better explosion at the line of scrimmage,
but I think everything else, I think Dwayne Carter does better.

(08:42):
I have Wingo in the fifth, I have Dwayne Carter
in the third, and I think he could be a
legitimate player and an anchor moving.

Speaker 8 (08:48):
For Yeah, the jump for me for Carter over Wingo
as well is Wingo. I think durability concerns after the
injury last year, but also you look at his size
as well.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
That was something that Bobby mentioned.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
But I have Dwayne Carter high fourth McKay Wingo probably
in that fourth fifth range. I would probably kind of
see him as a as a fifth guy. But yeah,
Dwayne Carter a ka we z f baby and fourth
round pick.

Speaker 12 (09:11):
Please please for me.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Bobby brought up the fact that the size the difference
to me is the motor with both of them is
I think that Dwayne Carter has a tiny bit more
of a motor in that situation. And as far as
the size goes, like, I think it shows up with
Wingo when you start seeing him later in games and
him rushing just down the middle of guys and so yeah,

(09:36):
doing Dwayne Carter would be my pick there. And I'm
in the same spot as you. A third is crazy,
but you.

Speaker 12 (09:43):
Know what, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's on my.

Speaker 12 (09:48):
Yeah, I don't hate it either, but I'm not.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Again, like to your point, people are mixed on Dwayne Carter.
You might hear some people say like, yeah, I'm really
high on him. But it's also indicative of what this
d DT classes as well.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
It is true that it's it's not a very spread
out class right Like it's I think it's more so
top heavy than anything.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And you're gonna get some of these guys early.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Look at McKinley Jackson, I know you Misspokenley said Texas
A and M. He may be the third or fourth
best nose tackle, true one technique in the entire draft class,
and he's probably not going to go until the fourth round. Yeah,
Like that's just kind of how this defensive tackle class
stacks out.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
A couple of more notes on these guys.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
Dwayne Carter three time captain at Duke, which is a big,
big time deal, especially playing for coach Mike Elko. He
kind of he brought a high standard back to the
Blue Devils, not that they didn't already have it, but
he was a big time leader for them off the
field in on the field, but also looking at McKay
wing go Man that second season that he had at LSU,
which I'm sure you could speak to a little bit more, Brian,
But if you if you can get that on a
consistent basis at the NFL level, you got a value

(10:47):
pick there on Day three. I just I don't I
don't think that version comes back completely.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
The thing that I worry about with Wingo and Ayisha
hit it on the nail and down the head there.
If he rushes down the middle, he's dead. He's got
to play on the edge. He's got to be on
the outside shoulders to take advantage of his quickness. I
think there's a little stiffness to his game too, so
and the balance might be a little bit off too.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
The hands are really really good, I feel.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Like, but anything else to strength the power, I think
with Carter you got a little bit of a stronger
guy and a little bit better motor there. Okay, aisha
linebacker Cedric Gray from North Carolina or Tyrone Hopper from
linebacker from Missouri.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
If I'm not mistaken, Cedric Gray is a little undersize,
yeah right, And if I'm not, I think he's Is
he a will?

Speaker 9 (11:39):
He should be a will? Yeah? He should be able?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Okay, because I have to put that in perspective because
that means something to me. I think both of these guys,
like I mentioned, both of them have some size differences
or whatever the case may be. I would be going
with Cedric Gray, linebacker out in North Carolina. And again,
I think Tyrone Hopper has a lot of upside. I
understand he is smaller and you can see that in

(12:03):
the run game at times, but there is some explosiveness
there that's intriguing.

Speaker 12 (12:07):
But as far as.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Cedric Gray goes, I think he just would have a
little bit more versatility. If he was able to put
on some size, a little bit more size and move
around and play every linebacker position.

Speaker 12 (12:18):
I think he can.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
How about you there? This was tough for me.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I have Cedric Gray above Hopper, but not buy a lot,
have one guy sandwich in between those two.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
The reason I have Gray higher is because with Hopper.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You're missing instincts at times, and you're missing angles, and
it almost just looks like he's freelancing at times, and
his speed and his physicality can help you get away
with it. Whereas Gray, you're missing the physicality, but you
have the instincts, and you have the angles, and you have.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
The readability and the vision to be able to get
to the ball and make plays.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean, we're watching highlights of them on the video
side of things, and it seems like he's one of
those guys for that North Carolina defense that's always in
the mess. So I think I have Gray higher. Both
of them undersized. I think they're both wills. I think
they're both legitimate pros. But I would put Gray just
a bit higher than Hopper, and not by much.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
I said Gray as a PA announcer is a best
friend just because he says his name all the time.
He's always in on the action.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I tapled number thirty three.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Exactly exactly funbile recovery right there.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
But I think if you're talking from a Cowboys perspective,
I don't think either of these guys really makes sense.
I the tyrone Hopper love is interesting because they had
a formal with him. He was a he was a
thirty visit as well. But how do you how do
you justify bringing in a guy that's more more accustomed
to playing and coverage when you need a bigger linebacker

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to come and fill the run. You need guys to
come in and fill running lanes, and I just don't
think Hopper is is that. I think both of these
guys they work better across the middle of the field.
And you know, I think Gray does have some knacks
and being able to attack the backfield and identify things
going on back there, and that's why I kind of
give Great the advantage. But I don't think either of
these guys really make sense for the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
I have a question about Sedja Gray really quickly, do
y'all do y'all not like how he tackles. I think
what I mean that was that's been a topic of
discussion is just the way that he's not always he's
not a he's not a thumper by any means or
whatever the case may be. And even when he does
wrap up sometimes it's like it's not forceful in a

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way that you would like to see from the.

Speaker 9 (14:25):
Problem how he finishes or like.

Speaker 12 (14:27):
How he finishes, I would say.

Speaker 10 (14:30):
His form like I mean, the finishing is like a
function of I think, like sometimes the lack of play strength,
like when you see some count trouble getting.

Speaker 9 (14:38):
Off blocks and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 (14:39):
Okay, the form I had nothing stood out to me
as bad form with Cedric Gray. But I mean physicality
is definitely like like the strength can you give issues?
But you remember, like Brian, that was something that we
said consistently. It showed up whenever we talked about Layton
van dershw wh who's coming out? Yeah does he come
off blocks? Is he physical enough? And he ultimately showed
like he could do it and it was something that
he was really good at. And so to me, I

(15:01):
think Gray is a much better player than Hopper. I
think Hopper, like you're you're taking off traits and and
you're trying to project out and you're you're grabbing sort
of a lottery ticket at linebacker. Cedric Gray, I think
could come in and like place snaps. Now at the
NFL level, Hopper is going to take some time and
there's a lot bigger projection there. So in terms of
who I feel safe as a baseline, like who they

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are as an NFL player at Cedric Gray, and that's
not really close for.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Me, I kind of felt like that Hopper was a
little bit better of a cover guy than he was.
And I think the biggest difference is what you guys
are talking about his ability.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
He doesn't get off.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
The blocks as well as Gray does, and so you know,
but he's got kind of a nose for the football
Hopper when it comes to getting like knifing through, seeing
a gaping knife through and then make a tackle on
the on the behind the line of scrimmage, you know,
I mean, the energy, the effort.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
I think he's smooth. I think he's fluid. You know.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
That's I mean. I think one's got a little bit
more strength than the other. And that's why I have
Gray over Hopper myself. But I kind of felt like
they were both pretty similar in what maybe that you know,
and Dallas look at him the way they have.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
They're hunting linebackers.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Obviously, So we got to look at all these guys,
all right, Nick, how about this one for the last one?
DJ James cornerback Auburn or Ronaldo Green cornerback from Florida State.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, both of these guys more on the narrow side,
and when you look at their athletic trades, they're pretty similar.
I thought, of all four of these, would you rather than?
When I was going through them last night? This is
probably the most fun when I had going through it.
But I'm gonna I'm gonna take the edge with Ronaldo Green.
When you see him up against elite competition versus DJ
DJ James up against elite competition, there's a little bit

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of a there's a little bit of a gap there.
Go back and watch that first game of the season
against Brian Thomas Unior and Elite Neighbors and Ronaldo Green
he's getting up on him on the line, He's throwing
his hands around here, here's a play he has right
here on I believe that's Lake Neighbors. But I think
I think with with Ronaldo Green. You get a guy
that can be a press man corner, you get a
guy that can step back and play safety. I think

(17:02):
he's one of the more fun corner or just defensive
backs in this entire draft. I'm a big Ronaldo Green guy,
one of my pet cats in this draft.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
So I'm taking him.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Oh man, Yeah, I mean Green.

Speaker 10 (17:11):
And I said it last night in the text, like
Green and James, like they are tags touching for me,
like in my stack there next to each other, and I've.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Got Green just a little bit ahead.

Speaker 10 (17:20):
And it's mainly to me because like I think you're
talking about the size limitations, the kind of like slender Bill.
Definitely I think shows up more with James on tape
than it does with Green, where I think that James
shows he has some trouble with some you know, bigger
body receivers at times. I also think that it definitely
shows up and runs support more.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
Not that Ronardo.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
Green's like, you know, a great run of hitter, but
he's absolutely active and willing to get in there, whereas
I feel like with James at times, like it's just
he he is gonna be you know, people are gonna
look to run to his side and it's gonna be
a problem. But for me, I think that Green and
James they're both as cover guys. I think both very
similar in the way that they are in terms of

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with their clean footwork, the way that they really at
times almost look like they're running the route for the receiver,
really good at mirroring, don't get thrown off very much
by you know, exotic releases and stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (18:10):
So I like both of them. I've got both of
them firmly in the second round.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
Yeah, I think you got a Ronaldo Green is a
great value Kanyon Mitchell, whereas DJ James is like a
great value Nate Wiggins. Because you look at that one
hundred and seventy three one hundred and seventy five pound
build that James and Wiggins have. You attacked them in
the run game, you attacked them with bigger weapons. But
you look at Green and you maybe think twice about that.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think whenever you look at Green too, one thing
that separates him over James for me is the ball skills.
I don't think James has the ability to play it
high at the catch point if you need to. But
whenever it comes to ball skills, Green was far and
away a better player whenever it came to attacking the football.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Add that to the physicality and the willingness to stop
the run. That's why I have him just a tight,
tiny bit ahead.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Oddly enough, I had I thought that DJ James and times,
even though just a little bit more than Rinaldo Green
was willing to come in and help out in the
run game.

Speaker 12 (19:00):
Both of these guys very scrappy.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
One thing about Ronaldo Green you brought it up, yo,
the way he's he jams and he likes to get
his hands on people at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 12 (19:10):
He's just not afraid.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
And I do think that that there's a lot of
value to that in this league. Is a guy that
you see can play press man at a consistent rate,
especially with all the things that are being done to
get these receivers open. He's gonna reroute guys. He's gonna
get in their face. I I think Rinardo Green is
a is going to be a hell of a player.
So yeah, I would definitely go with him in that scenario.

(19:31):
But DJ James isn't to me, and to your point,
he's not that far behind, and he is better impressed
that I than I think he is in zone.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Why did I think that Green was fifty fifty on
getting penalties?

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, you're gonna get penalties he scrapped.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
There are going to be games where it's gonna like,
if he's on your team, you're like, boy, he got
away with one there.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Oh wait, they got him on that one. There.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
You guys have more controlled Yeah, there's there's there's there's some.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
He's a screen's a smart player.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
He does how to use the sideline and push guys
out of balance and do stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
But his toughness is impressive.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
The thing, the only question I had about him was
the fifty to fifties that there's going to be fifty
percent of time where you're gonna be so happy he's
on your team, and there's to be fifty percent of
time where you were pissed off at him because he
got a holding call on third down that didn't get
you off the field.

Speaker 9 (20:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
He is good players though both of them are really good.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Play those are fun for that good scenarios. None of
those were I think one or the other. They're all
very tightly contested prospects. I will say side note, as
we're showing some of the highlights for Green Here. Favorite
uniforms in the entire draft process for me were the
Florida States with the white helmets with the College against BC.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, oh my gosh, those were sweet.

Speaker 9 (20:46):
All right.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
When we come back, we've got some Twitter on the
twenty We've got your questions asking for the NFL Draft
nine days away.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
When we come back with more of the draft show
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Speaker 2 (23:51):
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First one is from Gino.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
He says, what concern if any of the Cowboys have
that the offensive tackles that they're targeting at twenty four
could have just one combined start at.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Left tackle, and the outlines it for you.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Jc Latham zero left tackle, starts twenty seven at right
Tali yes Fuaga zero at left tackle, twenty five at
right tackle, Amarius Mems zero at left tackle, eight at
right tackle, and then Tyler Gotten one left tackle, start
thirteen at right tackle.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
Draft center at twenty four.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
Yeah, it's certainly a concern. It's certainly concerned.

Speaker 8 (24:29):
I think that's something you think about whenever you look
at this tackle class, because early in the draft cycle
we're talking about how deep it is and how there's
going to be eight to nine going the first round.
But do you feel comfortable moving any of those guys
to the left side from day one? And that being
the expectation if you haven't seen it, and I think
it's tough to project if you haven't seen it in person.
For me, I feel like if the talent is there

(24:50):
and the athleticism is there, then there is there is
a lot of room to be able to move a
guy to the left side. So when you look at that,
you look at Fuaga, I don't think he's going to
be a guy that is even there at fifteen, much
less twenty four. You look at a guy like Tyler Geiton,
maybe that could move over to left side, and you
have a little bit of comfortability there. But I think
that's more so where you look at that trade back

(25:12):
scenario and you just grab a guy maybe later on
that you know can be a true left tackle or
and if you don't feel comfortable with that, you still
have Tyler Smith in the building. And that is coming
from team left guard Tyler Smith.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
So yeah, that's my thing about it, is are any
of these guys better than Tyler Smith?

Speaker 12 (25:28):
Right now? At Tech.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
I don't think you necessarily need that. Though you don't
need someone to be better than Tyler Smith. You need
someone to be better in the long term than what
Tyler Smith would bring you.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
I think you want to put him at left guard.
That is the desire.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
I get that, But you got coaches that the Emoji's
coaches on a one year deal situation right now, and
I think that that plays into the chances they're willing
to take or you know, because you said this is
more of like a what are they going to become
whatever the case may be, now you know what Tyler
is right now. So I think that conversation comes into
play as well. That's why we had the conversation about
maybe they take a guard instead. Yeah, which is crazy

(26:06):
to think, but maybe they do instead if they think
that Tyler's ready to take on that left tackle role.

Speaker 10 (26:11):
So I think I think an order of belief, like
what they think is realistic, like if you're to ask me,
or if you'd ask them, I think like if you
were to take Tyler Smith at left tackle, TJ. Bassett
left guard, brock Hoffman at center, where do they have
the most uneasiness? I think they would feel the most

(26:32):
uneasy about the center going into next year with me,
and I think if you play Tyler Smith at left guard,
you're either banking on somebody playing left tackle for you
on your roster currently. If you end up drafting the center,
you're banking on somebody playing left tack for you currently.
That probably is not considered an NFL starter right now.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (26:51):
And then if you're drafting somebody, like the question asked,
you are at like very there's a very big likelihood
that you're asking somebody to flip sides and play apletely
different position, and it like, I mean, it's that's not
an easy flip for a lot of guys.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
Is that footwork?

Speaker 10 (27:05):
And so that's why to me, yeah, there is some
some uneasiness about the idea of Hey, you're projecting a
lot here, Like even some of the centers we're talking about,
we're projecting. We're projecting that the Jackson powers Johnson medicals
will be Okay, you're projecting that Graham Barton is going
to be able to pick up center, a position that
he hasn't played, you know, four years or whatever.

Speaker 14 (27:24):
It is.

Speaker 10 (27:25):
So to me, I think that you're you're trying to
minimize as much risk as possible, and so that is
one of the reasons why I think that that that's
definitely deserves weight. Also think it's one of the reasons
why we're talking about Kingsley Suamatia in the course of
all the suits, because that's something who you've seen play
both sides and do it effectively. And so for me,
it is a question, it is a concern, and I

(27:46):
think that if you end up drafting mems Guidon whoever else,
it'll be a talking point that we have is that, hey,
how is this transition going, how's this flip going? Or
You're going to find that very famously within this own
building in the last four years, it was said Terrence
Steel play left is not the same player as he
is when he's playing right tackle. It's just it's not
been the same thing. So it's a projection for sure.
But I mean that's why you have this scouting staff

(28:08):
here that you do, and while you get the input
from coaches like Mike Solari.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
We're nine days out and I've had a few different
gut feelings as this drive process has gone on, but
Kingsley Sumasi is my gut feeling right now.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think I think I'm dire with you.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
I totally agree. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I actually sent an email yesterday that said, gut feeling
before I take my leave to Nick, to Nick Eatman
that said, who the pick is going to be? If
I had to choose right now as we stand, I
think he's going to But you guys are.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
Calling that on the trade back. You're calling it at
trade four.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'm thinking it's a trade back that thirty. Now we've
seen this before, though.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Tyler Smith was in early second round grade I think
on most of our boards, or maybe even a third
on some people's roads, and he was taking it pick
twenty four I mean or twenty three at that year,
but twenty four?

Speaker 9 (28:51):
Was it twenty four?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
So yeah, twenty four.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
So there, we've seen it before where they've taken guys
because they know they're not going to get to the
second round selection, they know they're not going to make
it that far. Could he necessarily be that it's yet
to be seen because we got to see how the
board lies first. But does it play a factor in
a scouting department like that? Brian, when you're watching the
film and you're saying it's all projection on a lot

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of these guys.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
That's what you're trying to trying to figure out. The
biggest question I want to ask this group is that
if they can't trade back, are we comfortable taking the
BYU tackle? If if one of these sinners is on
the board, you're talking JPJ or Graham Barton, Yeah, I'm
taking grand bart I would take Okay, Barton's gone. Okay,
it's it's Powers Johnson or or b Yu tackle in

(29:38):
the first at twenty four.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
You and you can't trade back.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
You can't trade back like you. Everybody here wants to
try and trade back. And those phones, okay, everybody's calling,
say the Buffalo's calling San Francisco, but they're not giving
you value for your pick.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Are you and you're gonna sit there and you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Have to make a pick? Are you going to take
that BYU tackle? Are you going to take that center?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think I'd be okay with it. I think I
can live with it with taking Kingsley Suamantaiya. I think
the reason being is your addressing and need and I
don't want to window dress my board at all, right,
you don't want to, but you're in a pigeonholed situation
at where you stand offensive line wise, where you need
two guys that are NFL ready right now to come

(30:21):
in and play, whether that's brock Hoffman and TJ. Bass
on the interior, Tyler Smith at left tackle, you got
to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
You've got guys that are here. I think Suemantaia is
a high floor guy. I know Brian loves that term.
I think he's a high floor guy to where.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
He can come in and be a significant contributor right now,
and I think I'm okay with it.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
I have a question for you guys, have so at
your first memory, who's a player that's flip.

Speaker 12 (30:45):
Sides and been good as of late?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, Tyron Smith started off as a right tackle at
USC and then moved to left tackle.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
It's probably the best indication, the best.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
One that you guys can think of, anybody as of
late that you can think of that did that. I
just think it's so much harder to do and right now,
like I mean, so much harder to do.

Speaker 12 (31:05):
To flip sides. I think it's hard to flip side.
I think it's hard to flip sides in general.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
But I do think with the way that offices are
run now, and how spread it is and how things
like that. I just don't think. I think it's more
difficult because pass pro.

Speaker 12 (31:20):
I mean, I'm not saying that teams don't run the ball.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
I'm just saying that pass pro is just like what
I look at a whole bunch because most teams are
trying to pass the ball.

Speaker 12 (31:28):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
I just think that will be I think things will
be helpful though, with having Tyler Smith inside. I think
there's some things that if that if in fact that
you have to flip a guy over, you know that
maybe that having that that comfort of knowing that Tyler
Smith can play inside and help you if you mess
up too much and a.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Couple of times.

Speaker 9 (31:48):
Yeah it's Miami.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
But see that's the problem that I have. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I wish I knew that that Awsome Richards could play
left tackle. I wish I knew that because it would
make my decision. But I I'm sorry, I'm gonna die
on the hill of going to get in the center.
I'm just gonna die on that hill, you know.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
Talking about JPJ or King, Yes, I think I go
JPJ as well. I think if JPJ is off the
board though, and you have to pick there at twenty four,
I'm going Kingsley.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, if if your sinners are all gone, I mean
with the exception, I mean Fraser might be there and
stuff like that, but you might have to be in
a situation where you might you might have to pick
a tackle in a center on back to back picks.
We keep talking and we keep earmarking that fifty six
for a for a running back or a linebacker. Heck,

(32:39):
it might have to be a center.

Speaker 10 (32:42):
Yeah, just really quickly because the name that's popped in
my head Horse. And when we talk about flipping sides
and who's done that transition, Kingsley. Suamati's cousin did it
because is still left tackle at Oregon and he flipped.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
The right and he's one of the best, right, thank you.

Speaker 10 (32:55):
Yeah, And so I mean that's got somebody here, yeah,
And I mean when the fan And obviously flipping sides
I think is different than pushing inside or bouncing outside
for a lot of guys because the footwork's kind of reversed.
But I mean we see guys make those moves pretty consistently.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I want to try and sneak in a separate question,
I had three different questions here around taking a twenty
twenty five draft pick third or a fourth round pick
and packaging it with the second round pick to move
up into the top forty to go get you a
center or a guard if possible. Would you be interested
in doing something like that? You're wagering future draft capital

(33:34):
in order to make the move up, But is it
enough to go and get you a center. If let's
say you go off into tackle in the first round,
you take a Suat Mateo, or you take a JC
Latham or whoever it ends up being a twenty four,
would you be okay wagering a third and a fourth
or a fourth in next year's draft to go up
and get a center if you could.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Let I'm gonna I'm gonna flip the tables on you
here if you let me do that, If you let
me move one of next year's pick in that flat
gets anywhere near fifteen, I'm going.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
That's just so that on the last show, would you
take a first or a second to do that?

Speaker 11 (34:08):
Well?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Depend depend I mean maybe you could get it, do
it for a third, you know, and next year's you
could do it for next year's three is what you
could do with what I mean, I could do the numbers.
I mean, I'll pull the numbers up. But if you're
gonna give me the option to trade up, I'll go
get the best tackle. I'll go get who I think
is the best tackle for me.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
If i'm if I'm in the war room and I
believe that Fuaga can be the left tackle of the future.
And like I said, if he get like you said,
if he gets there at fifteen, then I yeah, I'm
getting on the phone.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I'm trying to package it would take it would take
a future two to get up to fifteen.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
That'd be tough. But it depends how coffee you feel
about Fouwaga. I feel pretty confident about fl Wogga. I'd
stand on the table for that. But I would also
understand not wanting to.

Speaker 7 (34:47):
I think with.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
Expecting to get a lot of comp picks next year,
you're expecting probably to have a top twenty pick next
year as well.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
I think you make that gamble.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
See to me it the one player that I would
go up for I think is him.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
I think in my book.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Now maybe they won't, but they're acting like they know
something that we don't know. You know, with all the
visits and stuff like that, all the work, all the
leg work they've done on him, that seems like a
trade up candidate for this football team. So I wonder
if he got to a certain level, he gets past somebody,

(35:25):
everybody kind of had him at the Jets ten ten,
say he somehow gets to sixteen seventeen someplace like in
that thing, I think I'm getting on the phone and
I think I'm giving up my two next year to
do it, or to try and do it.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
I think what's tough with that too, is that you
look at that sixteen seventeen eighteen range. You got a
lot of teams that are hunting for an offensive tackle
as well. In Seattle, Cincinnati, Rams, Pittsburgh. I mean, all
those teams right in there. You can make the case
that they could go ahead and go grab a tackle.
So you might even have to overpay and you might
have to do that second.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Just based off of that. I think you're gonna have
to do a second regardless.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But if he does fall to like.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Eighteen or nineteen, somehow he doesn't get through that that run,
which I just I don't see it happening, you could
get up to eighteen with a future third just based
off of the value of their pick, and you get
the package a third.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Since I'm saying, but it would take a lot for
him to fall.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
You know what, I hate to be this guy, but
you know your quarterback's not signed. There's your there's your
story three right there. You know, if you think about it,
I mean, if he goes off and does something else,
I don't want to be wet blanket guy, but there's
your three. But to me, he's the one guy that
I would trade up for and I and I don't
think I would trade up in the second round for

(36:40):
a center, but if I could go and get the best,
So I think on my board, and maybe they're board too.
Maybe they feel like with all the work that they're
doing on this guy, it could be worth it to them.
It could be worth it to say we'll move the
three and let's go, let's do this and then and
then and then work around the second round. Try and
find the thing I'm trying to do. And I'm not

(37:01):
trying to slam the guy. I'm trying to upgrade from
beaddish okay, And maybe I don't know how you guys feel.
But the further down I get that board, I'm feeling
like I'm getting bey oddish, you know with that.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
When I start to look at you know, Limmer and our.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Pinchta, I mean maybe yeah and maybe a little bit
maybe a little bit better. But I'm feeling like if if,
if it's not one of the top three guys, now
I'm down in the down in the that other area.
I feel like I'm kind of got the same center
that I just gave up on.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
I think you've got a wider frame and a little
bit more physical trades with Hunter norse Ad. Again, I'm
a norse Ad guy. Sure, that's that's a guy I
standing on the table for. But I understand where you're
coming from because I've thought about that same exact thing too,
Because going into the off season all year talking about
improving the run and stopping the run, right, and it's
always been well, it's not necessarily a running back conversation,
so it's a center conversation, right, And if you're going

(37:55):
to improve that center, and that's one of your two
biggest needs going into the off season, then yeah, how
much of an upgrade do you see fit there? And
I don't know, even as highly as I think of
Hunter nors Ad, I don't know how much of an
upgrade you would get in year one off of Tyler Baddish,
if any.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
So it's a valid point.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
But it also lends to the argument of going up
and trying to get I think you're trying to move
up and around to get potentially Fraser is.

Speaker 6 (38:20):
Probably looking at that.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
That's probably if you're trying to go up in the forties,
you're probably looking at going to get Fraser is what
you're trying to look at.

Speaker 8 (38:26):
IPJ could probably slide into that range, and that's when
you probably start getting on the phone like, hey, okay,
Because there have been some mocks since the medicals have
come out, since his draft visits have kind of gone on,
that have seen him slide into those forties and even
early fifties.

Speaker 7 (38:39):
I've seen him going there.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
There's a couple questions about JPJ specifically, Yeah, if he
falls to fifty six, I know all of us here
are JPJ fans, but knowing the medicals, knowing the background,
and knowing what the possibilities are there, if he falls
all the way to you in the second round, are
you hesitating to.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Turn in the card or are you running up there?

Speaker 6 (38:59):
Could you have more of a problem with it him?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Or sweat a sweat because of the red flags? Yeah, sweat,
sweat probably for sure.

Speaker 11 (39:07):
Sweat.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Man. You guys don't have a one technique.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
We don't have a center either. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
No, no, no, no, you're right about that.

Speaker 9 (39:14):
You should have a one technique.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Well, Mazzie will see what. Okay, I'm sorry, my apologies.
You have a one technique.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
We'll see what happens with the one techniqueah.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
Because to me, like you can you can help, Like
I mean, that's like this same conversation we had a
couples ago. To me, like you have to if you
picked a guy in the first round twelve months ago
and said that's our one technique and we're gonna pick
him over a premium position an offensive line with limited
CAPITALI fine, you want to trade back, you want to
pick up some extra capital and use it, that's fine.
But to me, it's like they're they're legitimate, like empty

(39:44):
spots on this team right now that that you need
to fill with players. And to me, it's like that's
we're talking luxury at that point. If you're talking to
me about drafting defensive tackles instead of saying, hey, os
has been really good at the three technique, Mazzi, we've
evaluate him is like this, when you trust the evaluation,
when you trust the coaches are going to get that
out of him.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And Osa is going into his final year of his
contract too, though, just.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
Fire and Murphy does Fire and Murphy not do anything
for you? If he got to twenty four.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
Oh man, that would be interesting, It really would. He's
a three tech. You'd have to figure out how to
get him on the field.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
He's a here native good player.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
He doesn't like it feels like an inefficient use of resources.

Speaker 7 (40:20):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Uh, Bobby's a couple of these. I'm trying to do,
like multiple questions, Bob. Right now, Joe, Joe asked this question.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I want you to start first, who is.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
The one guy anywhere in the draft, anywhere, regardless of position,
regardless of anything, that you would jump out of your
seat with excitement the fact that the Cowboys drafting who
would be no matter what, who would be your favorite pick?

Speaker 14 (40:46):
Hmm.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Right now, I'm trying to think it doesn't matter who like,
it doesn't matter where.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It doesn't matter where, it doesn't matter who best fit overall.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
I don't know. I almost want to say that it's
a it's a safety that I really like. Later on
my bad, Yeah, I think it's a safety that I
liked later on that I was like, heck, yeah, oh,
actually no, I think I mentioned him the other day
Keith Rant Rudolph DT from Illinois.

Speaker 12 (41:18):
I feel like, if you.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Got Bobby just mentioned, don't pick nobody up early. But
even though he is a three tech slash five tech,
I think he could come in and help out really well.
I'm very I'm a lot more high on him than
I think a lot of people are. But yeah, I
think if you even got him in the later rounds
that he could come in and contribute for your defensive
line right away. He's one of my He's one of
my favorite watches from the interior position. It's been This

(41:45):
class is not I don't know, it's just it's not
as interesting to me as last year's class as far
as DT goes. How did you guys feel about it
the DT class overall?

Speaker 9 (41:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (41:55):
I agree.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
I was actually going through the pick fits article yesterday
for if it's tackles and trying to find where one
text could fit in or where you would maybe bank
on traits a little bit, like you could go bank
on Evan Anderson late in day three. That's a three
hundred and fifty three hundred and sixty pound guy you
could bring in and have a big body. Actually put
Keith Randolph in the in the sixth round in that
one as the sixth round potential pickfit. But there's not

(42:18):
many one text you're not going to find many. I
think you could find a couple in the undrafted pool
and you just kind of hope a big body is
more athletic than you believe whenever he gets in the building.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
But yeah, and then for can we put a star
by Eric All the tight end?

Speaker 14 (42:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (42:35):
Yeah, I don't care, y'all.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
I understand he had a lot going on, But getting
him in the later rounds I feel like could be
valuable depending on what they think about John Stevens in
his rehab right now, because.

Speaker 12 (42:47):
There's a lot of similarities in the player.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
To me, what about you guys, what about jumping out
of your seat with excitement?

Speaker 10 (42:53):
I mean if Troy Fatan who got down to them
somehow at twenty four, I'd lose my mind, that's pretty exciting.
Outside of that, I mean, if there was a way
for them to get Jayden Hicks here, like, I'd absolutely
love that.

Speaker 9 (43:03):
I really like.

Speaker 10 (43:05):
To me, I think that there is not enough of
an emphasis on what they need in terms of diagnosing,
reading and reacting, covered responsibilities and everything else at the
safety position. And to me, Jayden Hicks just fits a
ton of it. And he is built like a classic
safety like like you see a lot of these safeties
come in here where we talk about Bullard or other guys,

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so it's like, man, they're thin or they don't check
this box. Like to me, Hicks is just like almost
borders on like prototype of safety build and I think
he just he checks so many boxes for me, I
would I'd love it if you could find a way
to get him here.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
I'll give you one for each day of the draft.
Oh wow, one of fuaga if that's if that's a
guy that's slipping and you jump up and grab him, man,
I'd throw a party out on the lawn over there.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Would you run the star and back?

Speaker 6 (43:51):
No?

Speaker 7 (43:51):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (43:53):
On day two Jonathan Brooks, I mean, I just think
that's such a good fit for for what's going on
in this building and what he could potentially.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You're both not alone and completely alone in that at
the same time. Yeah, I feel like if there's not
a singular pick that would split this fan base, oh yeah,
for sure. Then if Jonathan Brooks was the second round pick,
it makes a ton of sense and I think it'd
be a hell of a lot of fun. But there's
it's going to be fifty to fifty on people that
are saying it's too I for a running back, and
then people that are going to be excited that he's

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the pick.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
Yeah, and then day three, I'm gonna give you another
running back and it's Isaiah Davis of South the Coast of.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
I just continue. I'm going to continue to hammer that
name through.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
But like it, Brian, What.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Do you think, man, You let me have Ricky Piersoll
from Florida, Oh, I'd be really happy about that. If
you let me have Wallace the linebacker from Kentucky, I
might be on the island.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
On that one.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
That's your value, that's my that's my guy.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
If you just gave me, if if you gave me
a shot at those two guys, if somehow they handed
in that card and it said, you know, uh, was
it Tavian What you say, t Walla, Travan Walla, Trevin Wallace,
Trevin Wallace from Kentucky.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Do you reach and take him at eighty seven knowing
that you don't pay until one seventy four?

Speaker 6 (45:01):
He's the fifty seventh best player on my board? Okay?

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Then yeah, yeah, all right, that's not a reach. That's
not a reach at all for you. I have a
third on him, but a lot of the value has
seen him go early to mid fourth. But knowing that
you don't have the fourth, you just go ahead and
grab him there in the third.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, I think you do.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
I have been rid with Kentucky linebackers because he loved
Jaymin Davis.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I love Jamie Davis, Yes I do. But like you said,
Ricky Pearsaw would be fun to have in this offense.
I think Dak would love to throwing the ball to him.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think yeah, alrighty, that's enough for Twitter on the
twenty great questions, phenomenal questions.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
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Speaker 2 (48:47):
Have some over unders.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Nick, you sent this in our group message, and it's
super interesting just to see the way that the country
thinks these guys are gonna fall, and I want to
see if we agree or disagree.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Was some of these names.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I'll start with with JJ McCarthy from Michigan quarterback over under.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Five and a half. What do you think on that one? Nick,
Harris will let you start since you sent it.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
Yeah, so the these auds are coming from Circus Sports.
It was just kind of something that was thrown in
one of my many NFL Draft group chats yesterday and
it kicked up a lot of draft conversations. So I
figured we'd throw around five here. JJ McCarthy over under
five and a half. I think I think I don't
know who's who it's going to be. I think it
could be literally anybody.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
You could tell me.

Speaker 8 (49:34):
You could tell me any team that trades up into
the top five, the Dallas grab no to go grab
a JJ McCarthy is thirty one teams, Yeah, thirty one
teams to go up and grab JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
Not think it happens.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
I think it's a matter of who, not a matter
of when I'm taking under on JJ McCarthy, which is
wild because I'm man. Going into the draft process, we
were like, is he a can he? Is he a
second round guy? And now he's a top five guy
hammer across the boards.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I still think he's this second round Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
Think so too over circumstantial and you think he goes over.
I don't think he goes over. I think he goes under.
I think a team is gonna get aggressive and go
up and grab him.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I hate that for them. He may turn out. He
may turn out, but I'm not a JJ McCarthy guy.

Speaker 9 (50:15):
I like McCarthy.

Speaker 10 (50:15):
I wouldn't like I don't have him in the first round,
but I do like JJ McCarthy. I think, like when
you talk about he wasn't asked to do a lot
of it. But I think when you talk about like
NFL throws, like you talk about the stuff that you're
supposed to throw along the route tree and stuff in
the middle of the field and everything like that, I
think you see a lot of them on his tape
more consistently to me than you know, jayde and Daniels Brian,
I see it more consistent than over there, like I'm

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trying to no under because I don't think I don't
think any like four or five is where I think
he's going.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
Yeah, I don't see him getting past five.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Okay, you've got all those teams right there, right, Commanders, Patriots.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
You guys taking a trade in there somewhere.

Speaker 9 (50:52):
Arizona Church goes up to five.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
I think that's where it's gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
Does Minnesota jump up? Does Vegas jump up? Do the
Giants jump up? They been talking to McCarthy quite a bit.
There's a lot of conversation to be had there.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Out of Arizona, the Chargers, Who do you think would trade?
Most likely to trade Chargers?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I was thinking Arizona.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
I was thinking the Chargers because they can. They can
slide back six spots and still get their guy.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
Arizona has been vocal about the fact that.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
They Arizona was super aggressive last year. We're dealing with Houston. Yeah,
I think they're I think their GM is kind of
a wheeler dealer guy. If I think if the pick's
gonna move, I think the fourth pick's gonna move.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I think so too.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
You move off, Marvin Harrison J. Would you move off
Marvin Harrison Junior.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
For I'm not saying a quarterback just just to just
to have a team have their quarterback in the future.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
You know what, because I need weapons. But I'll tell
you what You've guys convinced me. This draft's pretty deep
in wide receivers.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I mean, now, maybe Marvin Harrison is a generational talent.
I do have an LSU guy ahead of him, But uh,
I think there are a number of wide receivers you
could pick up. Man, you give me, give me a
lot of picks in this draft. I think I could do. Okay,
Arizona I think is the team that's probably gonna move
if I had to guess right next one.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
So that'd be that would make him an under.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
The five would still be under as well.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yes, yeah, yeah, Xavier Worthy, Texas wide receiver over under
of twenty eight and.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
A half Aisha. You had the reaction there, you think
he goes over under.

Speaker 12 (52:17):
I think he goes under. Unfortunately, this is just the
nature of the beast.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
When when guys can run really fast at the combine,
it is it grabs people's attention. Speed prevails. I mean
it shows up on his tape as well. But I mean,
he's what my third, he's my fourth receiver?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, what do you think, Brian.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Man, That's a hard one for me. But because you're
going under on that one, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Mean, am I understanding this conceptually? I don't listen, I.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Don't do No, no, you're fine. No no, no, no, no,
you're fine. I'm going to go I'm going to go
over on that. I'm going to go over. I I
just think there's other there's other wide receivers. The speed
is great, the size isn't. And that's the deal. When
we start to mean, I know, personally, give me guys
like you know Corley. I mean, I'm the guy, give

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me the route runners, the guys that get open.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
I know that worthy.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I mean, he's Blazer, but he is so slightly built.
I have as my fifty first best player. So I'm
going I'm going over. I'm going over on that.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
I think he might end up in that thirty to
thirty two range. That's probably where I go over. But
I would not be surprised if he's taken under, would
not at all.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
Yeah, people gamble on rare speed, so like I would
understand if somebody did. But I there's too many good receivers.
I think Over, I don't even remember anybody putting John
Ross in the top ten the day of the draft
when you were there.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Yeah the guy could fly right, Yeah, small guy.

Speaker 9 (53:51):
Wasn't broken yet.

Speaker 12 (53:52):
Yeah, somebody's foot was broken.

Speaker 9 (53:54):
John Ross is always hurt all the time.

Speaker 12 (53:57):
The things I didn't know before I started, What what.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
About oulu Fashanu, Bobby, I'll start with you on this
one fourteen and.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
A half take over.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
I still I know there's a lot of buzz about him,
So I still think Under like I mean, you're just
the traits are incredible, and I think that it's very
easy to project him out as like a future stud
left tackle, and it's very rare that you let somebody
like that slide down, you know, into the teens.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
And so to me, I'm saying Under, I think I'm
with you.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I think these tackles fly off the board early and
we're not even talking about him mid round. I think
he's off the board before pick fifteen, So that would
be Under for me too.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Under, I'm going over.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
I'm going over here.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
It's not an indictment on Forashanhu. I think these corners
are going to come off the board a little bit quicker.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
Wow, Yeah, I think you said it.

Speaker 8 (54:45):
I think these corners, I think someone's going to get
aggresive and trade up and go grab a corner, and
that's going to start the run on corners. And I
think I have him at sixteen in my mock. I
think that's probably where he ends up.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
But there's a million zillion of them.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Why wait, corner?

Speaker 5 (54:59):
And I mean, and honestly too, if you're getting into
like some of the phys six round guys, like there's.

Speaker 12 (55:05):
Some guys in there, like I know that. I feel
you on the fact that people might.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Go because that position in particular this year is so deep,
Like you can find so many good things in some
of these later round players as well.

Speaker 12 (55:18):
So I wonder if teams hold off a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But I feel you, Brian, What about this one Peyton Wilson,
linebacker from NC State. I'm gonna put you on the
spot here. I know you like him over or under
forty one and a half.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
That's probably going to be right where he gets selected
at depend the medical stuff. I've got him as I
think my twenty fourth best player on my board when
I did my stack. Let's see where I got mind.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Do you put your medicals into that?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, there's some thoughts because lat Too, I'm starting to
hear some not great things about that one too. So
you know, you get all these guys like lat Too
at twenty one for me, Peyton Wilson twenty four. Yeah,
these are guys that probably I mean, they're both probably
gonna go later than that. But you got to give
these guys their due. You really really got to give

(56:06):
them their due there. So I'm gonna say that's probably
where he's gonna be picked. I'm going to say it's
probably gonna be over that though. That would be my guess. Okay,
what do you think over forty one.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
La Peyton Wilson, Yeah, I would go I would go
over same thing. Yeah, I will go over just because
of the it's hard to justify because of the tape.

Speaker 12 (56:29):
This is this. I think this this guy's.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Gonna tear up some some some war rooms. I think
there's gonna be some serious conversations had because I understand
like fight started.

Speaker 12 (56:39):
It's just hard to justify.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Like besides, unless it's an Eddaran Cooper, it's just hard
to make sense of it mentally when you know what
the tape is despite the medicals, but we've seen it
plenty of times that guy's fall, so I do think
he is gonna's gonna fall.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
I saw this guy before. This is Luke Keithley.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
To me, I know that seems a lot. This guy's
got that kind of nose for the football, the awareness
where to be, how to tackle, how to finish, the
toughness and all that, all the things he plays through.
It's freaking Luke Keikley's who this guy is. It's a
shame that he is so banged up that he's going
to get He's going to get pushed down the board

(57:18):
because of it. Some teams will have him completely off
the board because he doesn't have body parts right, you know,
so get ready for that.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
It reminds me a little bit of you remember Nakobe
Dean two years ago twenty two draft.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Nakobe Dean was the top linebacker on the board for.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Short though a lot of the short the height was
a problem for Nakobe Dean.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
That was the problem for a lot of folks.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
But his medicals weren't public eye no, no, it comes through.
He falls out of the first round and everybody's thinking
he's probably a top fifteen player, Why is he not
on the board going or why is he on the
board in the second round? Falls to the fourth round,
I believe, And it's just because the linebacker is so
physically demand. The position as a whole is so physically demanding,

(58:02):
and if you have these medicals and you have these
red flags, it does present pause. So I think I'm
with you, guys.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
I think I'm gonna go over with with Peyton Willis
on the side of over when it's medical flags.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Exactly, I'm with you, Yeah, him and lot to both
medical it might even you be with the center from
Oregon to all three of those guys, all of them
are excellent football was.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
His on the here? Nick?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
What was what was Jpj's while y'are talking, Oh, I've
got it right here thirty and a half.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Yeah, so there you go.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
Yeah, there are so many times we see guys fall
during that weekend and you said a text and go like,
why is this guy falling? It's like medical, well we
even knew, like maybe we even knew something, but like
we had no idea. Was teams just they don't play
with an investment like that. When when you're talking aboubout it,
So I would err on the side of over.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, one last one before we say goodbye. Xavier Legette,
wide receiver, South Carolina over under a forty four and
a half. Bobby, what do you think, big play receiver
forty four?

Speaker 9 (58:59):
Yeah, I don't know. That feels really high to me.

Speaker 10 (59:01):
Actually wow, So no, I would say, uh, definitely over
to me, especially like like we're talking about how deep
the receiver draft is and you start looking at the
like Brian's line always about ice cream flavors, like you're
you're to say him getting picked out earlier, banking on
like you know, teams not having wild taste in some
other receiver, and when they have that, I mean, we've

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clearly got like the top three that just about everybody
seems to have in place.

Speaker 9 (59:27):
But behind that it's I.

Speaker 10 (59:29):
Don't know how similar anybody's four through fifteen type of
rankings are gonna.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Look, give me pierceol over him, m give me.

Speaker 8 (59:37):
I don't hate that sake, I don't have that on
my board. But but I got a lot.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
Of respect for the get though.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Absolutely he's absolutely real tough.

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Oh yeah, absolutely, he's.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Definitely ice cream flavors.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
He's a deep play thread, he's great catch radius, like,
that's what you go and get with him.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I'll say, I'll say over, just because I think wide receivers,
I think it's going to stretch a little. He is,
he's going to stretch.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
What is he once? Is a he's receiver sixteen for me?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Team for me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Wow?

Speaker 9 (01:00:03):
What is he for me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
A second?

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Player sixty six for me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Player sixty six.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
I think he goes over. I think you go comfortably over.
I think Malachi Corley comes off the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Board before they get yep wide, Malkai Corley goes before
they get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, I would take a bet on that. I would
make a bet on that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:21):
Let's figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
We'll figure it out, let's shake it for better.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I would take a bet on that. I think I
don't think that's happening.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
All right.

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Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I know you would.

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I know you did.

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Speaking of this is my last draft show of the year.

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It's been so much fun and it does it breaks
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Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
It makes me almost emotional, uh, thinking about not being
here on draft day and Draft weekend because Uh, it
is my favorite weekend of the entire NFL calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I love the Draft.

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That's what helped get me into the spot was loving
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it's always a highlight of my year to be able
to watch these guys and study and investigate and educate
with with Aisha, with Brian, with Nick this year for
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Zach Woldchuck.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
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