Draft Show: Twenty One To Go

With only 21 days left before the NFL draft, the crew discuss possible picks.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Today is Thursday, April fourth, twenty twenty three, and we
are officially three weeks out twenty one days to the
NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan. As we welcome you in
to the Draft Show presented by Miller Light, a taste
you can depend on. We are running out of time,
everybody is. The draft is quickly approaching. Thirty visits currently

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happening across the hallway from where we sit here at
the Star in Frisco. And of course we've got plenty
to talk about with some positional resets. Today we've got
Aisha Morrison, Brian brought us Bobby Belt back in the
fold today. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Bobby. Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You're pretty busy.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Phones, I have headphones on. I don't normally get the
headphones because I'm usually posting up right here. And I
also feel like completely inconsistent because I got the Plano
East had on today. I like it. But then I've
got Marcus Schwartz, I've got competing high schools on here.
And then I'm gonna go watch Keller softball tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Are you really Yeah, big big Keller softball.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
They invited us out. They were like, hey, we got
a big game against Southake, would you guys mind coming out?
I was like, sure, I'll go. So I'm going to
see Keller High school softball. The man of the people,
that's what I try to be. Yeah, you are, that's
casting a wide net, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'd about to say that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I've met, among other things, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Had phone calls with some of the admin with Tarlton
State and they talked about you guys and your impact
with you and Choppy and all of the trips out
to Stevenville.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
I left a negative impact in a lot of ways
as Stephenville, I think. But it was a party. It
was a good time, got the people talking. Hey, I
enjoyed it. I love Tarleton, Go Texans, steven.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Field, greatest place on God's Green Earth. There there you go.
Cowboy country real, it is real, Cowboy Country no doubt
about it. I'll be out there Sunday for baseball. By
the way, you want to make great line. You want
to come out.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Maybe what we gotta going on? It's Saturday. I got
a party Friday, I got softball Sunday. Nothing's felling. Oh wait,
I may have actually have Mavericks tickets right.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh okay, I already.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I loved Tarleton. Yeah, big Charltonton baseball guys.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Would coordinate some other things going on here.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean you want to go with us, You're you're
all about road trips.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
No, I do love the Feature of Strength, though, I
do love it. I'd like driving to the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I know you want to. You want to make those
like thirteen hour drives.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
All Beam and I are we're all about the feat
of Strength.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Oh yeah, of course we're all the driving.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
You give us an r V, we will take it
anywhere you want to have to go.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I've been trying to talk Brass into having the r
V trips for the last four years. It's it's just
it hasn't happened. You think the there.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think the RV trip would be fun if you
covered a couple of really prominent pro days.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Oh yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know if you actually were able there to go
in there and you hit say you hit A, you
hit Alabama and then you hit Georgia or you know,
you hit something in the South, you know you could
do We did Texas and Texas, A and M one time,
which was really cool when Johnny Manziel was involved, and
you get a lot of you get a lot of
really good information being out there on the road.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Do you run routes for Johnny No?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I stood behind the barrier and watched him throw routes.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, to people who were not even receivers.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Necessarily he may have to run around.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, No, that was the the Johnny would remember. That's
his agent, Eric Burkhart.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Brian's gonna have to run routes for Josh Allen and
the Buffalo Bills pretty soon too. How about that they
don't have anything going on out there?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Man?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, no, wait, that might be a good thing for
you Dallas Cowboys if you think about that trade up.
You know, but we're all we've talked about these wide
receivers since January. You know, it might be where people
are gonna and I know we're going to get into
depth of positions, but that might be something you keep
an eye.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
On, No doubt the trade yesterday Stephan Diggs going to
the Texans and really now you've got Buffalo that is
pigeonholed into taking a first round wide receiver, and if
they want to move up a couple of spots, I
think that would be a significant trade down option for
the Cowboys. Speaking on the Cowboys, though reported thirty visits,
we talked through a number of names on Tuesday. A

(04:20):
couple other names that have come out since then. This
is straight off of Nick Harris's Twitter of Nick Nick
not here today, he's across the hall doing an interview,
but we've got some names to go through. Matt Gonclaves
from Pittsburgh the offensive tackle. We talked about some of
these linebackers, including Nathaniel Watson, Jordan McGee, Payton Wilson, which
was reported by Brian Edrian Cooper, Trevin Wallace from Kentucky.

(04:44):
Then you've got Byron Murphy reported by Ryan Fowler. The
Texas defensive tackles. Ali is it Ali Ali?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Ali Wash the Marshall running back reported by our very
own Dame Brugler. Then Malachai Corley receiver out of Western
Kentucky when comes from CBS. But when you're looking at
these names, aisha, which ones stick out to you of
the names that were reported this past week.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
I mean stick out.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
I think I don't know if he's gonna be there,
but I think Byron Murphy he.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Sticks out to me. And only the reason why.

Speaker 7 (05:19):
Is because he is a He's a local, like he's
from here, and I think we've seen the Cowboys have
a little bit of an infatuation with some of the
guys that are local. You think about even a Tyler Smith,
he's a Footworth Native and seeing him, you know, become
somebody that maybe they're interested in. It's also interesting about
Malachai Corley, how he's really risen his stock this off

(05:42):
season and how he's been able to kind of climb
people's bors and get people's attention, especially coming from a
school like Western Kentucky. I think it just says a
lot about his progress and what he's capable of as
a player. Because if you don't have him pretty high
on your board right now, you're probably a little wrong.
So yeah, those two gentlemen stand out the most to me.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
What you got Bobby Corley.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Is the one because Corley. I mean, obviously, we see
a lot of different like running backs and offensive linemen
and different people that they've brought in different positions that
they brought in. Corley being the only receiver on the
list in a very deep class I think is interesting
to me. Whether that's because it stands out as somebody
that they're really really high on, or potentially just that's
somebody they feel they need answers on compared to the
rest of the draft class. But I mean, I love

(06:27):
Malachi Courtley fun and in fact, he's receiver. We talked
about this Brandon, I think it's seven. He's receiver seven
for me. Wow, and second round. So I really like
Malachi Corley and think he's a whole lot of fun
and I think within this offense he could do a
lot of damage, and so he's really interesting to me.
I love that one. And then obviously, I mean the
fact that they're bringing in somebody like Peyton Wilson and

(06:49):
just you know, being able to get a check on
the medicals.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
There and everything else.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
That's definitely why they brought him in. They definitely like,
let us get a.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Peak, extra peak at Peyton Wilson. I love malakat Corey.
I don't know Corley, I don't know if he's necessarily
a top ten receiver in the draft. For me, I
just I can't put him against like Worthy and Maconkie, Coleman, Lagette,
Roman Wilson, Piersoll. These are all guys that I think
are in the same conversation.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Man, I have him on top of all those guests,
I think on the yack Kingky.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, they call him the yack King. I just I
worry about the size a little bit.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'll tell you what. This son of a gun though.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But he has got a running backs mentality, the way
he carries the ball and like you you throw him
the ball, he is going to run through people, run
over people. Uh, you know, he's a tough guy and
so to me. And but you're you're talking about when
all those names of the guys you had, they've all
got that trait. They've all I mean, I'm sure they're

(07:47):
on everybody's board. Everybody has Coraley, McConkie from Georgia, Worthy
from Texas, pearsal Pearsall from Florida. Is a fun watch. Yes,
you know, Roman Wilson from Michigan. They're all kinds what
are the same in that regard of throwing the ball,
big play.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
Which is I mean, which is gonna be helpful to
me when you look a lot of these guys to
me are chess pieces, I guess you can say. And
also too, they can be an extension of your backfield
in certain ways, like when you mentioned Okay, like he
can do running back things.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
You can use these guys in the screen game.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
You can use these guys on the outside and do
some creative things with them. A lot of these gentlemen,
to include Malchy like, they're.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
Not just I'm a wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Oh, you can use them in certain different elements and
they a lot of them have the ability to play
inside and outside and so I.

Speaker 8 (08:35):
It's this class is it's crazy because.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Last year is my first time doing a draft obviously,
but to see the difference in this class in last
year's class, where I felt like there weren't that many
of these guys in that draft and if there was
a guy like these guys, they went early and people
got a hold of them really quickly.

Speaker 9 (08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
And when you're talking about Malakai Corley specifically, it's the
limited route tree, which is a knock against them. Western
Kentucky didn't.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Really util Yes, it was the utilization.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
WKU didn't use him in that way. They said, chuck
it up, go make a big play, have fun, run
past everybody, and be the yak king is what they
called him at Western Kentucky. But you mentioned inside outside versatility,
I think he's limited to the slot. Do you think
he can play outside if you're going to put him
up there?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Look, I mean I think that a lot of what
he does here, Like when we talk about the limited
route tree and stuff like that, it's because a lot
of his game is going to be like, you know,
just quick, get the ball in his hands. And so
I mean, whether that's smoke routes on the outside or
whatever it is. I think he can become a better
route runner than he currently is. I think he's a
good route runner, but I think there's definitely room for improvement.

(09:41):
And to me, the biggest thing with him, and something
that he'll see on the outside a lot too, is
is he always finishing? You know, contested catches, is the
fifty to fifty stuff breaking his way and a lot
of times it's not. And so if you get somebody
who's particularly sticky somebody who's playing, you know, really physical
with him that can slow him down at times. That's why,

(10:01):
I mean, that's that's honestly the thing that keeps him
from being like a first round receiver for me. Yeah,
but I mean I really like the growth potential for him?

Speaker 8 (10:09):
How do you navigate that?

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Like, and I'm asking as far as.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
When you look at a program and you look at usage,
how do you guys? I'm asking you guys, like, how
do you navigate seeing that a guy's usage or the
way that they played him and within a system, how
does that tie into some of your decisions on where
you rank him? Because to your point, we clearly know
that Western Kentucky is not doing a whole munch exotic
things offensively. How do you guys be like, Okay, well,

(10:36):
I can see this guy doing this distance.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
What steps do you take to evaluate that?

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean, I think you can see just about anything
you want to see in flashes. It's obviously just the
sample size, Like how much of a sample size do
you have? So then it's the application of Okay, what
am I projecting out in terms of the flashes that
I have or the limited available you know, the limited
available data and then also to you know, putting it
in some cases against athletic testing or whatever else, the
combine it and saying well, I think you can just Schoonmaker,

(11:02):
for instance, was a guy who's not asked to do
a lot of the things that you would have wanted
him to do here in Dallas in Michigan, and so
you just found flashes of it, and then you tried
to say, Okay, you know the the athletic testing with
the three cone and the ten yard splits and other
little things like how do you couple that and say, well,
I think I can project out that he can do
these things here. I assume that he can do this,
or in flashes you see it here, in small sample size,

(11:25):
you see it here. So I mean it's just a projection.
It's the same thing we used to run into. The
guy I always think of where it's like you're having
to project out is Corey Coleman like that. Coleman was
a guy like that coming out of Baylor, where it's
like that Baylor who's not asked to do very much and.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it's really limited. You had to project.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Down a little bit. Yeah, Similarly, you had to project
out on a guy, the best player in football, and
now you had to project out with Mahomes, Like there
were questions about like what was Mahomes going to be
asked to do at the NFL level and was he
capable of it? And that's some some of that stuff
you're not going to know, and that's why scouts are
scouts and why they're pared to paid to do what
they do. We're projecting out a lot more than what

(11:59):
they're Surgeon House shows.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I watched him play against Ohio State. He was good
in that game, and I'm thinking, like, Okay, if he's
playing good against Ohio State, who puts twenty five guys
in the NFL every year, it seems like, you know,
we we kind of got that with watching that quarterback
last year Ohio State, you know, when they played Georgia
and you know all the matchups and stuff like draft.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
So the competition is something as well.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think it's something because you know, like I say,
Louisiana tach Florida Atlantic, Sure, but Ohio State, you know,
you hunt those games, you hunt those games, and you
know the.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Fact that you remember Shawn Slater against Chase Young, that
was that was a game like you measure that, you go, o, hey,
what did Slater look like when he got Chase across
from and he handled them?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah. See, I grew up in a system where it
was always about the Florida State Miami game was always
huge in the early nineties, and it was that was
like the first tape you started with. When any either team,
you're like, okay, good on, good here. And then if
you get a small school guy, fortunately he goes to
the Senior Bowl, then you start to look at the
drills there and you're like, okay, how does he handle

(13:03):
the drills? You know, Western Kentucky getting covered by Michigan
or getting covered by Alabama or getting Yeah, and he.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Was named the top receiver.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
That's what and a blender.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You know. I think we could all say this about
Doron Bland now and I've said it before, and I
believe you guys would agree with me, because you guys
study tape just as hard as I do. That Pac
twelve missed Deron Blaine. We just call it Fresno. Nothing
a gets Fresno. Sometimes these kids end up in places
and you're like, how do you end up at Western Kentucky?
You know, why wasn't Why wasn't Why wasn't Vanderbilt in

(13:37):
on this? Why wasn't Kentucky in on this? Why wasn't
Tennessee in on this one? You know, and sometimes you
have to question that. But I you know, I look
at him and call you asked the question about slot only.
His measurements are five eleven two point fifteen.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
He's wide.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I mean, I'm thinking, like, just get him the damn ball.
I don't care how you know, that's that's how I mean.
It's coaches jobs to figure this out. And you're if
you're saying inside only, and I'm like, cool, you can
still get him the ball, but get him the damn ball.
I mean I used to put him in the backfield.
Bobby put him out wide. You know, but when you
watch the tape of this guy, I can understand why

(14:13):
the Cowboys did this because or bringing him in. This
kid's got a lot of toughness, and they for the
last couple of playoffs they've dealt with having that guy
in San Francisco. You know that you're starting to see
more of that. You're starting to see more of these
receivers that have they're big, they catch and they're like
running backs. In the open field, just blistering people.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
He mentioned Deebo Samuel and his Senior Bowl interviews.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, at the same time, that's who he gets compared
to most often as like the high end projection and
and Debo was the same.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
How South Carolina that there's there's the school, there's the school. Yeah,
that's the same thing. But we're starting to see college
programs get these guys involved. This guy was a college
He was originally a cornerback, a corner back, and they
moved him to wide receiver. We've seen a couple of
those guys get shifted to other positions and now they're

(15:07):
thriving that way.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, I mean, and you mentioned the Senior Bowl. Honestly,
when you talk about the route running Bobby, the Senior
Bowl answer some of those questions for me about him too,
because it didn't matter. And I understand that you know,
one on ones that dvs are at a disadvantage in
some areas, but it didn't matter who was on him
in those drills.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
He made some of our top corners that we like
look stupid.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
He was literally saying by to them when he was
coming out of his releases. I do think guys do
have the opportunity before they go to these camps and
stuff to improve. And I think he showed some things
in the Senior Bowl that would make me more encouraged
about his route running as well.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, and that's another part of it that is really
helpful in the process of like what you're trying to
project out is those drills and stuff, but like you
point out, like the corners already disadvantaged a lot of
times in those drills and like I mean the one
that I was come back to of like you can
gain a lot from seeing it. You always talk you
guys always talk about the Zach Martin, Aaron Donald, the
matchups and what you're able to get out of that.
At Senior Bowl. The guy, the guy that I always

(16:08):
go back to is like, here's a cautionary tale too
of like don't buy into it too much or wait
it probably remember Braxton Miller. Yeah, And Braxton Miller was
considered like, oh my gosh, nobody can handle him when
he you know, he had all these highlight reel like
situations against corners where it's like he's making corners mad
and they're like wanting to fight him in these practices
just because of his footwork and what he's doing, and
then it came out and it doesn't hit the same way.

(16:30):
So I think it's definitely like it's all part of
the the entire information gathering process. And that's why it's
it's such a big job. That's why I mean, the
guys in this building, they're they're grinding eleven months out
of the year, like I mean, really putting in work
that goes more than just this three months that people
are really aware of it.

Speaker 9 (16:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's such an interesting process, top to bottom, And that's
why it is a process. It's not we're not just
grading off of games in film and then taking these
guys into the NFL. You want an extra look along
the way, since we're talking about Corley and he's the
one wide receiver that's been reported as a thirty visit,
how early would you be okay with Dallas taking a
wide receiver? Would you would you be fine with a receiver?

(17:11):
I I know first round is more of like a
if a guy falls, but let's say nobody falls in
the first round.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Where would you be okay with the first Can I
ask a question to take it a little further? Sure,
would you take a running back or a receiver, if
they were equal, equal on your board, equal, I would
take a running back. If they're even on the board,
I'm taking a tailbag. Like you got to say, you
have Corley as your seventh best player, Bobby, and you're

(17:38):
looking at Benson from Florida State maybe as that.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, I mean they're both in the second Yeah you
t take Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Why is that? Is that just the value positional value
of running back? I just think running back is replaceable.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
I just changed so much, like to me, the way
it's viewed. I mean, and it's particularly with this class.
There are some guys you know in the later rounds,
but this running back class to me, is more top
heavy in itself.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
So which is why I would take a running back early,
because you could.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
Maybe receiver your argument, But I'm also like, you're.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Trying to run the football, you're trying to go downhill.
You're building around possibly an offensive first round pick, offensive line,
first round pick. You want to run the rock. I
would go with Trey Benson in that center.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
I think I can. I think I can can scheme
things up easier in the passing game for Corley with
questions on the offensive line. Then I can scheme things
up easy for Benson with questions on the offensive line,
like Benson is going to be more reliant on how
much have you built up your offensive line than I
feel like what you want to do with somebody like Cory.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, if you take a first round pick and you
feel good about your left tackle, let's say they take
a tackle in the draft. You got a left tackle there, sure,
I mean you're okay with the interior at the moment.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
We assume Steele is going to bounce back off of injury,
but we don't know Zach Martin. Zach Martin is a
year older. We don't know who's playing center, left guard,
left tackle yet, And so to me, it's that's a
lot to then just think, well, Trey Benson will fit that.
Like to me, I look at Malachi Corley.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I can do I don't know if b Jeon Robertson
would fix that.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I mean you can Arthur in Atlanta, Like I mean,
you look at the the in general. The way that
you can scheme up and get the ball in Corley's
hands and let him create in space. I think it's
easier to let him create and contribute as a second
round pick than it would be with Benson. But I honestly, man,
it's that's hard. It's tough because you you've got a
lot that you still need to address it a number

(19:26):
of positions, and you don't have a fourth round.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Pick, third round receiver, third round back.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Now we're now, we're getting closer to be taking a
receiver because I think the wide receiver class stretch is
better than the running back class. I don't expect the
Trey Benson to be there at the in the third round.
I expect him to be gone.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
But can I can I interest? Okay, you go on that.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
You said third round receiver.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Third round receiver, third round, third round running back, third
round receiver, and you're talking potentially at my board, I'm
looking at guys like Lloyd from USC. I'm looking at
right from tw in a Sea they brought in they've
reported on the thirty Alan, who I know Bobby likes
more than me. And then Irving is another one from Oregon. Okay, okay,

(20:12):
Lloyd Wright, Alan Irving, Say Pearce, Saw Leggett, Roman Wilson
Walker from North Carolina McMillan. On my board, I.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Have Bucky Irving in the second so he will get
highest on my list, So I'm gonna take him off
of that list completely.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
No, No, you could take You could say I would.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Take Bucky in that scenario. He's the last second round
player out of that group you just gave.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Me Corley and Allen is what I would go there
because I like Alan as much as I do, so
Alan in the third round. But I mean, it's again,
it's stuff I feel I feel like, am I using resources,
precious resources the right way if I'm drafting two skilled
position players with my top three picks.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Asa made a trade with the Ravens. She got you's
got Baltimore's picked in the third round.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
To get drafting football teakay pa, Okay, So now you've
picked up you've picked up would you consider using your extra.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Do you have two two's and two threes?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You still know you have two threes? That's it?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
How did I pick up the extra third?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
You moved down to thirty?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Oh? Okay, so picked up three? You went from.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Twenty six, You went from twenty six to thirty, and
you picked up Baltimore's pick at the round.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
I've got first round, second round then two threes, right,
two late threes. Yeah, I mean I could be more.
I could be more convinced to take a receiver and
a running back in that situation because I've addressed.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Let me ask you this question. The extra pick that
you get, what position you're going for?

Speaker 8 (21:42):
Oh my gosh, after what is it?

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Third round?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, it's a third it's gonna be a third round pick.
Say say Dallas picks up Baltimore's pick, like we were
talking about, they go get a wide receiver. They give you,
they give you. But now you have that extra would
you consider that? What would you use your extra three?
Did we take an offensive line? What do we take
In the first two rounds, you've taken offensive lineman, you've
taken a running back, and at fifty six.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
I'm going receiver.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Fifty six you took a running back.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
No, No, at fifty six you took a round. Okay,
so you got eighty you got eighty seven.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Call it Guidon and Brooks or whatever. Just as an example,
that's fine, just to work off of that Guiding and Brooks. Okay.
Then yeah, with my I honestly think if even when
we're sitting there in the fifth round, I think there's
a decent chance you have like a fourth round graded receiver.
Because I had said, so I'm going, I'm I might
double dip at offensive line and then take a safety.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I was thinking linebacker and possibly a receiver, possibly depending
on how highly graded the guy is there, I.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Will go receiver.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
So I guess my question for you guys is how
many wide receivers on this?

Speaker 6 (22:49):
And again I got plenty of love for Jaylen Toldar.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Need a defensive tackle there too.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
How many, That's what I was saying.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
How many these wide receivers are better than what Jalen
Tolbart is right now that you could get in the
third round and none of them.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I don't know what Jaylen Tolbert is right now. I
would the problem.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I would take pearsall Florida. I'd take Leggett South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
I'd love that fit.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Man. Now I'm now, I'm tru Now I'm struggling Roman Wilson,
Walker from North Carolina and McMillan from Washington. That's I
I man, I'm I think I might take Roman, Wilson
and McMillan, even though I have Walker higher over Like

(23:37):
I just jump, I just jumped. I just jumped a tag,
which I would never do. But I just in my mind,
I'm like, I like I say I I I think
I think every one of my third round guys I
would surely consider as opposed to Tolbert just from what
I've seen so far.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Well, and you can get a guy that's a different
player than Tolbert too. Zat is a deep play threat.
He's your Michael guys, and they grabs Holbert in the
third right.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
Yes, yes, that's why I asked.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
But you mentioned d T as an option. Yeah, actually,
still about that, because.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
The the I'm not gonna I think it does.

Speaker 7 (24:14):
There is a drop third round tee after about that
early fourth.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
Yeah, it's a huge dropping.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
You've got You've got Murphy Newton, Sweat Jenkins or or
Fisk at the top. And then after that here were
my three four guys. I've got Dwayne Carter from Duke,
Michael Hall Junior from Ohio State, Brandon Dorles from Oregon,
Mkay Wingo from l s U, the guy that that
that Brian loves more than anybody, Mason Smith out of
L s U.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I should maybe love him that much.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
McKinley Jackson from A and M's an interesting that's there,
where's see I.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
Think I think he's gonna move him back to age.
I think I can see Zim moving him back to age.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I mean Zimmer wants to Zimmer wants to be big
on the defensive line, and I think but and so,
I mean that would make more sense to have him
on the edge than say, like let's hybrid him inside.
But I mean to me, it's like, I think that extra.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Pick has to be a defensive tackle.

Speaker 9 (25:07):
I think I.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Look Jackson from Texas A and m would be my
guy there.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
There's so many things that they could they could use
to build depth right now. That a part of me,
and it may not be the best approach, but a
part of me says, Mazzi needs to just figure it,
like like you need Mazzi and Osa to figure it out,
Like you've spent the resources there. I don't want to
sing more resources when I got out there. Like to me,
it's like, hey, that has figured it Out's biggest thing

(25:36):
squares down. Yeah, Osa's thing is just fatigue at the
end of the year, it feels like. But to me,
it's like Osa and Mazzi should be enough. Mazzie needs
to just it needs to click this year. So to me,
I'd say, hey, we made that evaluation, we picked him
over a premium position at offensive line, went ahead and
did that. We need to trust the evaluation. We need
to trust the coach and staff to get the guy ready,
which I think they're capable of.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
When I think we sh classify a late third round
pick of general resources, and especially with a being yeah,
you don't have a four that's gotta be an important I.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Kind of I count a top one hundred pick without
a fourth rounder especially, that needs to be somebody who's
gonna come in here and play.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
I think there are a few guys that you can
get late, though, Like if we're gonna take your route,
Bobby and be like, let's trust, then if.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
They do that, then I'm I think.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Trust who though you said you said trust, I'm gonna
trust staff and those guys to get him ready.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
I do think he can he can improve.

Speaker 8 (26:30):
I'm just like, do you have the luxury of depending
on that right now?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
You don't have a lot of luxuries in general building
this roster right now, and so that's one of them
that you're gonna have to count on. Is a guy
you picked in the first round a year ago.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
So maybe you just picked DT later.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
That's what you're saying, Go go.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Go, go value shopping, go in the dollar ninety nine,
Ben at the DVDs, like, and that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
What do you guys have Keith Rudolf.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
Illinois?

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Uh, and you're born deeper.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
I've got him as like a sixth Yeah, okay, I'm
asking because if you're going to you're gonna wait then
you're talking about you about what you saw him.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
I see a three text sometimes a five tech. They
move him around and just.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Like that, he's next to Newton too.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Yeah, so and I mentioned that before.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Do we consider who they're playing against because that especially
in that interior, because it does change how people defend
you or hope people play against you.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
But anyway, so he wins with power leverage. He has
heavy hands.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
I think he has he gets quick penetration, penetration.

Speaker 7 (27:33):
He finds the ball well like you can see sometimes
he can't get there, but he's locating the ball quickly.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
He's he's high effort.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
He's disruptive.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
I think if you are going to talk about maybe
waiting later and like a McKinley Jackson's gone or some
of those guys are gone, that maybe he is a
gentleman that you take a look at, or like a Jaydon.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Crumby Crumby Crumby. I'm digging on this one, and I
was going to ask you about a haul.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
From Babe Michael how Gabe Haul game Haul?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Where do you play? Michael is at Ohio State. Yeah,
there's there's two halls in the spirit, Okay, Gabe Haul.
I was going to ask you a bit that, because
where do you play Gabe Haul Baylor? Is he a
three or is he a one?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I put him as a three.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
He's six ninety one something like that.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, he's he's a Waller Texas native.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I know that makes him You can stand him up
on the edge.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
You have him as a three.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Okay, That's what I was.

Speaker 10 (28:28):
I was.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I was struggling, and I know you were busy doing work.
I was like, please help me. I sent the bat signal.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Up and you were like, I was like, yeah, no,
but he's he's very explosive. I liked me some Gabe Haul.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
You guys think he's gonna fall.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
I think he'll fall because people.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
Don't know what he is.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Just hit like there such a I don't know, he's
he's such a wild card, but you know, the motor
in the pursuit is just out of this world. Like
he shows some patients in the run game as well.
He has a really lean frame. He's he's not a
pretty player. That's what I Oh no, that's my that
might deterbe some people is that he's not pretty, but
he's gonna he's gonna tussle every time he's in there.

(29:07):
So yeah, I like him too. Later if you do
decide to go by the rout and trust, do you
know who?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
He reminds me of Brian a couple of years ago.
You remember Logan Broders Logan, Yeah, log Yeah, he was
a Houston edge rusher, but it was kind of a tweener.
Could have been in three tech if you really wanted to.
He kind of fizzled out. Wasn't really the guy that
you would think.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I think Krumdy is hey you say that, krim Dumbdy Crumdy.
I think he's the same way from Mississippi State. Yeah,
I mean, you know he's six ' forti's three oh one.
I've seen him play inside. I mean I've seen him
play over the center. I've seen him play as a three,
So I don't know. Man, this guy's played a ton
of games. I just don't I'm hunting to one and
I can't find him.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Jackson.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
For me, it is if you're talking about, if you
don't go for fisk and you don't have the opportunity
to get sweat, it's.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Hard to find true ones because of these guys are
developing as these tweeners.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
As these guys that can help rush the passer.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
Because I even think about I think about a Christian
boy in northern Iowa who is stout, build lots of penetration,
can take on double teams and things like that, but
where he really wins is that initial step and him
being speedy.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
Can he take on double teams?

Speaker 11 (30:19):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (30:20):
Does he have the balance in the course strength to
do it.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
Absolutely, But you're we've started seeing this in this last
couple of years. Is that Beabe out of the whole
draft is about three four ones and everybody else is
this tweener. And that's I think that's appealing to a
lot of coaches because they want pass rush, but you're
seeing that that hinder their run defense capabilities and what

(30:44):
you're asking them to do.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
So it's like, I guess it's something we just got
to adjust too, big dog, Like, I.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Don't know what is it? What do you guys think
is gonna happen?

Speaker 7 (30:52):
If we're if we're looking at a diminishing number of
nose tackles in the league, are teams just going to
keep taking advantage of it? These offensive lines, these linemen
are manmates. Yeah, Like they're getting bigger, it feels like,
and the defensive interior is getting smaller.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I mean, yeah, it's all cyclical and so that's I mean,
it is. It's it's one of the like not fine one,
I know. And that's what I'm saying is that, like,
I mean, look, linebackers have gotten lighter and lighter and faster,
and like it's not the it's not it's not Levonn
Kirkland running around at linebacker anymore. And so because that,
I mean, like, I mean, they'll they'll I mean, any

(31:33):
of the Pittsburgh linebackers from the mid nineties, even Pig
Jason Gilden whoever. Uh. The the smaller that the linebackers get,
the bigger that these offens, it's going to start making
a comeback. The run game, the power rung game is
going to make a comeback, and then you're going to
start seeing the development of more one techniques and bigger linebackers,
and it's just gonna it's this endless cycle. That's the
it's it's it's constantly. It's just reactionary.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's a pass heavy league. It'll go back to a
run heavy league, and then it'll go back to a pass.
It'll go back and forth.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's like basketball man in the playoff. Get that center
off the floor, right, get off.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
We get so we're bringing back the mid ragons. Jumper's
a zack.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
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Speaker 4 (34:46):
There we go, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
First question comes from mister Vallejos on Twitter. He says,
name a wild card player in the first two rounds
that we may not be considering for the Dallas Cowboys
wild card pick. Not a normal name, with somebody that
could maybe sneak up and be in those first two rounds.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
So we just talk about a guy for about twelve minutes,
somebody who could fall that they wouldn't be expecting, Somebody
like maybe they like more than we're thinking about.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Let's let's do this the latter they like more than
we're thinking about, because I think the fall names are
have been hit pretty well.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wonder if
it like in terms of a nay. I feel like
we've covered pretty much all the ends of this that
it could possibly go. Because we're the last several years
we've kind of been in this position of like it's like, well,
not totally sure which direction they're going. They could go here.
I guess it would be the one that would catch
a lot of people off guard that I don't necessarily
think should like safety, Like if the right safety is

(35:45):
there in the second round for them, if for some
reason Nuban falls and they have him grated higher than
where he's at, Hicks, Bullert Hicks, Jayden Hicks at Washington
State is a good football player. If Hicks is sitting
there in the second round for your pick, is that
a direction where they go, oh, okay, this is value
that we like or Bullard this is value that we like.
So I would say that, look at the safeties. Maybe.

(36:05):
So those are some names. Tyler Nuban at Minnesota, Javon
Bullard at Georgia, and then Jaden Hicks at Washington State.
They're talking about second round, right, could be yeah, first
two rounds is what they said, just names.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Would you consider powers Johnson a faller considering now nobody
has him in a mock draft.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
You're talking about to fifty six or to the fifties.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, maybe to twenty four.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
I wouldn't consider it a faller. To twenty four, I'm
gonna consider it maybe a slight slot, but I wouldn't
consider that like a fall to me, Like I okay,
Powers Johnson was around twenty to twenty five, I.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Usould traded back to Buffalo at twenty eight.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
He is not me.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Sound like a good gm over there honestly, But you're
training she's trained back though at twenty eight, and you
grab him there you go, say you go out of
the round, say you go down.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
To to get him. If you're able to get able
to get him in the second, I think that counts
as a fall for him.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't think you could get him at fifty six,
but I think you could get him now, whether it's
maybe you could go to thirty five, you know, if
you had to go that far.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I've got a couple of answer the trade scenarios that
were hitting on the Blitz this week on the TV side,
I could outline him if I want to, but or
if we want to, uh, thirty five and thirty six were.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Two of their guess ability.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Could you get him at thirty five and thirty six?
Would you feel good about it?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
If I would feel great about it, then I would
absolutely feel great. And I got to pick up some picks. Sure, yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
I mean to answer the question.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
I think what would surprise me is if they just said,
you know what, like if there was a good guard there, yeah,
and they just was like, all right, we're just going
to kick Tyler to tackle and we're going to draft
a guard.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
I think that would be a bit shocking.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
To me if they picked up one of these top
guards even like, I mean, I don't even know.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
Do you all considered Jordan Morgan is a guard?

Speaker 9 (37:58):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That's that's what I think they would considering.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
And that's what I'm saying, like, but I think I think,
I bet you they.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Think he's a guard.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I think he projects better as a guard.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'll tell you a guy we're not talking about is
Christian Mahogany as a as a player as Boston College.
If you're looking for a guard, if you want to kick,
if you want to kick Tyler Smith outside, you know what,
that's a legitimate player right there. That is a guy
that it reminds me so much of. Like I'll never
forget this watching his tape. They're playing Miami, they're getting crushed,

(38:30):
they throw an interception, he makes the last tackle the game.
They're getting crushed in this game. Watch the same game
and he and he goes. It reminds me of Ron
Leary when he played it at at Mississippi. It's gonna
be at Memphis and they're getting just destroyed and he's
like the best player going for them. Christian Mahogany is
a really, really good player. If you start talking about

(38:50):
some of the top guards, I'm throwing him in.

Speaker 8 (38:52):
Yeah, some of that temperament that you see from Tulse.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, and I mean you got somebody here in your
building who knows the player. So yeah, I mean just
spent four years with him. So Mahogany specifically. Yeah, you
remember Quinn Minors from Wisconsin Whitewater. Yeah, oh man, he.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Was played a maller, just a bully. Mean, that's what
I see with Christian Mahogany.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
He might have been on me football team. He didn't
play well or the team didn't play well against Florida State,
didn't play well against Miami, but he was taking care
of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
You know, everybody's talking like Bbe and and maybe you're
gonna shift Lathum and stuff like that. You know, Morgan
gets shifted, But Christian Mahogany needs to be in that
mix of players that we really I'm glad. I'm just
I know why Hesha's knows well, but I just I
was starting to stack my board a little bit, and

(39:42):
I'm like, this guy's really good.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yeah, he's a player.

Speaker 7 (39:44):
He former DT Yeah, yeah, yeah, he met he talked
about Yeah. I think that does play into how he
plays as well. But he, like you said, he does
have a coach here that has been around him for
a minute, Bobby, that might yeah, that might vouch for
him or whatever.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
They got some good eyes on him at the Shrine
Bowl as well.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I will also point out because we always assume that,
like I will say, that may also play against him.
It may not. But a lot of times we just
see they were at the same place at the same time,
and like I default to it a lot too. A
lot of times you find out, like I remember funny story,
somebody told me they were talking about love Smith when
he was in Houston, and everybody kept projecting Kirby Joseph
at Illinois to go to Houston. And I talked to

(40:23):
something like that is the last place that would draft
Kirby Joseph because he and love Smith did not get along.
They did, and so that's one of those things where
it's like sometimes it works against you where it either
it may very like solidified they're not coming here.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Other times it's like they ran the ball pretty well.
I think this coach would vouch for him myself.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, no, I imagine probably, but it is a big
part of that. Yeah, if they weren't super interested, that
also would explain it. Probably because oh they got somebody
here who's got a testimony about it.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
And you brought this up earlier in the draft process.
But losing Tyler biatis you lose one of those glass
eaters on the offensive line. This would be another guy.
This would be a glass eater that you could rely
on and can play on the interior.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yes, he is all right.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
This one comes from cme tar heeled. Which one's more risky?
And this goes back to what you just brought up.
Any tar heel player, any tar Heel player leaving Tyler
Smith at guard and putting a rookie at right tackle
and left tackle, or rookie right tackle at left tackle.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You see what I'm saying. Yeah, man, read that.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Guys like that they're playing right right or playing right
tackle in college, but you're putting him at left tackle,
right or shifting Tyler Smith to left tackle and playing
either bass or a rookie at left guard. Which one's
more risky.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I've seen Tyler Smith play left tackle. I've seen TJ.
Bass play left card Like, I know they can do that,
so that to me is not there is a question.
I mean, you know Tyler Smith can play left guard,
but you would You'd be the biggest variable you would
be projecting in that scenario. Is a right tackle rookie
moving and playing left tackle at the NFL. That's the
biggest Everything else we have an answer on. We've seen

(41:57):
it and we can say it works. We know Tyler
Smith can play left guard. We've seen Tyler Smith play
left tackle. We've seen TJ. Bass play left guard. Those
are all things we know. This the only projection there.
So if you're talking about safeguarding, what is the safest
thing to do, the safest of those two scenarios would
be Tyler Smith at left tackle, TJ Bassett left guard,

(42:17):
yeah to.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Me, and a rookie center, yeah, or I mean Hoffman.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Or Hoffman maybe. Yeah. That's a great point. This one
comes from Michael. He says, would you sacrifice the rest
of your draft to grab a third round pick, keeping
your eighty seven, but taking all four of your remaining
draft picks, the two comp picks at one in the fifth,
one in the sixth, your seven, two seventh round picks.
Would you sacrifice all of that to somehow find your

(42:43):
way back into the third and only have four picks
on the weekend?

Speaker 6 (42:47):
No, I'm about the I'm about to cry at the idea.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
I'm trying to figure out how to pick up more picks.
That's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm not
trying to give up anything. They look as as thin
as the margins seem to be right now in terms
of free agency and what you're able to do, like
you're gonna eat all the picks you can get to
fill out those roster and find players. And I think
that they've done such a good job historically of finding
guys on day three that I don't wanna. I don't

(43:12):
want to miss that.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
And you're playing ketch up a little bit too, because again,
there's just so much uncertainty about what you're gonna get
from your.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
What's up next?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
You're not on you don't have a microphone yet.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
What you're gonna get you.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Figure it out a long way. No keep going, no, no, no, no, no,
I do.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
I do think also to you are in a weird
place and the urgency should be high because of the
lack of production you got from your other class.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
You can't go into this draft class. You can't go
into this.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Draft and expect to go four for four on fourth
picks in the first round.

Speaker 6 (43:42):
You can't go in there sitting on your fingers. I
can tell you that they better.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Tell you what if I if I was Houston Texans,
I would consider something like that, talk about it if
I was in Houston Texans, because they've had a really
good offseason adding players.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, they're questioning chips in and they're in there, and then.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
If they were going to push picks, and then I'm
betting that they're going to they have a guy in mind,
they would get making even better right now.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Because you could probably muster at eighty to eighty five
selection if you wanted to trade those four picks to
make it happen.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
The problem is, like say, we've talked about this a
bunch I usual will tell you this too. A bunch
of guys went out the door. I got a bunch
of guys and now your depth, where's your depth? You
know you're going to need every one of those fifth,
sixth round picks. I think to kind of, you know,
get that taken care of, and then you're going to
have to have the after draft where you're going to
spend you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars on bonuses

(44:33):
for some players.

Speaker 10 (44:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
I thought that was a good point that Nick made
the other day. It's just how Dallas handles, you know,
post draft and yeah, the DF and how much they
got you that and they're able to bring guys in.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
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Speaker 3 (44:53):
It, get into it. Well, we got to take our
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going to talk about some positional day in this draft
and talk about what happens whenever the talent falls off
and how quickly could it fall off for the Cowboys
and for the NFL Draft. When we come back.

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positional resets to do. These are superlatives in the class.
And I wanna start with Nick on this one deepest
position group in the entire class. Which which one would

(48:12):
you go with in the entire draft clubs? One that's
going to stretch into day three with legitimate talent top
to bottom.

Speaker 13 (48:17):
Yeah, I think you got to look at wide receiver
right with the talents that are at the top of
the board, and then you look into day two into
day three, there's there's so much top end talent, but
then I really feel like there's some value there on
day three. We've talked about some guys earlier in the process.
Guy like Josh Cephis out of Utsa. Yeah, that's a
big body type receiver that you could probably get in
the sixth or seventh round and which is kind of

(48:38):
wild to to look at and see. But you look
at Jalen Kocher out of Holy Cross, that's another interesting
receiver that you feel like you could get. You talked
talked about Jawan Jackson the other day out of two Lane.
He's probably earlier day three, But I mean those are
the types of talents that I think you'll be able
to hit on once Saturday rolls around.

Speaker 7 (48:55):
Yeah. For me, it will be corner, I mean to
second to second receiver, our receiver. Yeah, man, I mean
you start looking at corner. I think some of these
guys will be.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
Here, maybe like Jerry and Jones later cam Hart, some
of these guys, I don't think. I mean, even we
it sounds crazy, but even talking about Quanta.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
Stickers, I think he's going to be a player, but
he might be available in some of these later rounds.
I think corner stretches into that fourth round, beginning of
the fifth round, where you you should be able to
get some equality guy in there and at least give
you some contribution right away at the very least on
special teams.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, kind of on the opposite side, Bobby, what about
most underrated position in the draft?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You know, it's funny, we're just we're just talking about
it a little bit because I think, you know, we
were talking about frustrations. I like the running back depth
outside of the first round, I do. I like, Yeah,
I like some of the running I've got a cluster
of running backs like in the third round that I
like and guys that stretch into the fourth. So I
think that running back typically has been one of these
positions that when you you you can find a good

(49:54):
one on Day three, and I think that's really similar
this year. It's not very top heavy at all. But
if if you're talking about I think the lack of
a first round pop name has had a lot of
people talking down on the class overall. But I think
there's there's good depth there where I think you're potentially
going to be grabbing guys on day three that you
have a round higher graded than where you're picking them.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Who are some of those names that you had that
you were talking about that cluster of guys.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I mean, so in the third round, I've got estimate,
I've got Lloyd, I've got Irving, I've got quorum, I've
got right. I mean, I think you look at Grendo
at Louisville like I mean, there's a bunch of different
guys here that I'm a big fan of, the Clemson
guy like him. There's just a good stack of running
backs to me that on day two, day three you're
going to be able to find good value for There's

(50:38):
just a cluster of them that, you know, I think
they're going to stretch a little bit. Guys that will
have in the third round, I think are going to
go on the fourth. Guys having the fourth going the
fifth Will Shipley by the way, Cli yes Shipley.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
How did you guys feel? Abou Kamani Vido.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Troy interesting prospect. I think he's late Day three but
still a guy. I mean, he's got some weaponry to him.
You know, he's got some speed. He's another one of
those smaller backs that you you think could maybe provide
a bit of a jolt. I mean it's only five seven.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Because that's the thing about some of these guys that
are later that you were talking about, Bobby, is like you,
you look at some of the size with some of them,
and that maybe that's something that's deters you because a
couple of guys like that.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Ammi Bailey from TCU, Vital.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
From Troy George Jordan Louisville can play, but the size
is something that maybe is the reason why they would
be there.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
But to your point, though, Bobby, I do think that
there are some guys that can be there later decad
I wish Bailey would have run better, Amani.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, the times were not great on Bailey. That was
a little disappointed. But also like a combine no here
and uh here at the star at the big twelve combine.
Oh yeah yeah, because I mean that's your that size.
You got to be faster than four six and so.
But now I think even they're smaller guys, even in
the guys we're talking about in the second third round, Like,
I mean, Korum's smaller, you know, Irving, Like You've got

(51:55):
these different guys that are they're on the smaller.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
End, Ray Davis.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (51:59):
But the power, the power that appeal you with Bailey?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
No, it does, it does. Still, I mean who's who Okay,
specifically here in Dallas, who's my like home run guy
then right now? Yeah, Like I mean period, and that's
I mean, that's that's I mean, just right now you're
dealing with like you know, you're dealing with a lot
of power. There's not a lot of home run right now.

Speaker 10 (52:19):
That's sir.

Speaker 13 (52:19):
I think the thing with the money Bailey, if they
were to take a leap on a guy like that,
they probably need to draft a power back earlier in
the draft. Like that would be a situation where they're
comfortable going in taking two backs in the draft and
he's probably the second one that they take on Day
three or if he is up undrafted. That's that's an
interesting guy that you would probably look at.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Okay, Brian, what do you think about underrated positions?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
You know, I'm kind of looking right now at cornerback
when I when I start, because I know my board
you know, I start to get down into the fourth
and fifth round, there's some guys that I absolutely uh
would be okay playing with. I know that I've talked
about my love for King from Penn State, Abrams, Drain
from Missouri, you know, uh Jackson there, There's there's several

(53:02):
of these guys. Melton another one that I really really like.
I feel like though that that it's kind of you
see the top of the draft and and we'll see
what happens with Wiggins. I know that Arnold Mitchell, those
guys Djon, well, they'll they'll probably go Tampa. He didn't
run great here out for you guys at the Pro
day stuff, but there's.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Shuttle times were good though. Yeah, there's some stuff. There's
still some stuff that you can extract.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Top of it is like they've got some players and
this I think this thing stretches into the third, fourth,
fifth round. I think so if if I had to
if I had to say, okay, well, best available player,
best player on my board, it might be because I
know we're going to get into the draft and it's like, okay,
who do you guys guy as your best player? And
I have a feeling there's gonna be either it's either

(53:46):
gonna be a corner on my board. It might even
be an edge, might be another guy that kind of
comes in the guards we've talked about. We mentioned Mahogany
and those guys and then wide receiver. So I just
have a feeling it's going to be, Okay, who's your
best guy on the board, It'll be one of that
position group because that seems pretty thick between round four,

(54:09):
five and six for me.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
You mentioned ed rusher. I feel like that's the same
scenario of running back without that top heavy just mauler
of a name. You've got a lot too at the
top from UCLA. You've got Jared First from Florida State,
But neither one of those guys are the Aiden Hutchinson's,
the Trayvon Walkers of the world that were just dominating
draft storylines. I think it's an underrated position because you've

(54:31):
got plenty of talented ed rushers top to bottom that
can make an impact. I'm looking down at like the
Murphy brothers from UCLA. Yeah, those are two guys that
will make an NFL team, could make an NFL roster
as rookies and find their way into playing time. As rookies.
Mo Kamara from Colorado State is another guy you could
get in the middle rounds that that could be an

(54:51):
impact player.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Caesar from Houston.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Yeah, Nelson fascinating talent, really good player.

Speaker 13 (54:59):
Between him and David Ugle Eggbow at Houston, both of
those guys coming out of edge rushers. Yeah, he's got
something going down there. If you were Jalb Hunt as
a Houston Christian edge rusher. Yes, that's another one.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
Yeah, I look, I mean I like me some Logan
le too. I like some of what I saw from
him Iowa, Yeah, in from Iowa. Some of the things
he was able to do at the Senior Bowl, just
how quick his get off is and how he can
redirect people. I think he's a guy that might be
there in the later rounds too. That are that's still interesting,
that's still intriguing as a player that you might take

(55:30):
a chance on.

Speaker 9 (55:31):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
You know the thing that you guys were reporting on
at Dallas Cowboys dot com or all these linebackers too,
they're there. And maybe that's positions not as deep. I mean,
it's surely not as top heavy, but maybe in the
rounds two, three, and four, it seems like, to me,
the names that you guys report they're hunting, they're hunting
that position right now and trying to kind of get
that in order by bringing those guys in and then

(55:53):
stacking them the way like, Okay, this guy's got this trade,
this guy's got this trade. You get the interviews, you know,
the coaches with him and all that, they'll figure all
this out. But that seems like a position they're hunting
right now.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
I don't think you can sit on your hands with
the linebup, no class.

Speaker 13 (56:07):
Yeah, I think that's that's probably a position. I feel
like though, it's probably gonna come down to either D
tackle or linebacker that you get on day two because
the expectation offensive line round one. You got to get
the running back somewhere on day two, so the other
pick you're either gonna have to spend on a D
tackle or linebacker.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
You would have had a whole lot of fun in
our first second.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Yeah, we were, We're about to tell me something. I
just told you, y'all.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Just no, you went through that scenario basically, Yeah, yeah, Well,
if you had the extra three say that, then you
would you what position would you pick up if you
had the extra pick.

Speaker 13 (56:36):
Yeah, the other one then that do tackle linebacker for sure.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, weakest position in the draft class. This one's kind
of tough.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
One technique really just I think knowses. Yeah, you know,
I usual was talking about it that we just don't
play that way anymore, you know that to have the
guys like Sweat and Fisk and Jackson Mason Smith. Mason
Smith was a five star if I'm right, nick, five
star recruit, and he didn't play like a five star recruit,
you know.

Speaker 13 (57:02):
I mean, this has hurt him quite a bit, but
it's still to the point whenever he took it on
the field, it was different than what was expected.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, he was he was supposed to be this highly
touted type player and he did not play that way.
But I I I'm having I'm having a hard time
right now finding me a one. I really am about the.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Guard class one technique to get into. I don't like
the tight ends.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Powers is good, but I mean, you know, some people
feel a little too small. I'm not a fan of
Theo Johnson, not a fan of Stover even.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Though so I like I like Jaheim Bell, I like
Kate Sonat or Ben Sonnat rather stover guys.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
The guys that I like would be uh like Bowers
snat Jared Wiley, Like, I mean that's kind of and
I mean even still, like I mean, there's there's there's
questions there, and I mean, like I think there is
it blow people, but I mean I think there's a
decent chance, Like the second tight end off the board
is Jared Wiley.

Speaker 13 (57:58):
Yeah, don't be surprised if that happened. Yeah, absolutely, no,
that's fair and I.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Think in most tight end classes that would not be
the case.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
But I agree with you is that we're also in
this weird place with tight end to me as well,
where it used to be you want guys that can
block in line, they gotta have a bigger body whatever
and now, but a lot of these guys are receiver
esque and.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
So it takes away from their blocking and some of
the things they can do.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
So it's to your point.

Speaker 7 (58:23):
I feel the same way about a lot of d
ns too. It's like some of them they're rushing the passion,
but it doesn't mean they're able to shed and tackle
consistently either. It's kind of like a trickle down effect.
So when you talk about the tight end position.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I agree.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
I feel like it's either this or that with a
lot of them.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
Some of them have some athleticism that stands out to you,
but then you're like, Okay, but the baby you getting
ran over by this d N right.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Now, so it's up and down.

Speaker 7 (58:48):
I do like a I think like a Tanner McLachlan
as a Arizona is a guy that has a little
bit of both to where you can work with him.
I watched Eric all the other day, and I know
his body is toe up as a weapon.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm glad you brought him up. He's still with that
back injury. He had the surgery and stuff on that
and something you're going to completely have to deal with.
But I agree, I was I'm glad you brought him up.

Speaker 9 (59:12):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
He transferred from Michigan so that you could now about
drafting a Michigan player. You don't have to worry about
that you're drafting an Iowa player. So yeah, but this
is there's a versatility to his game. He plays like
an athlete at six four, two hundred and fifty two pounds.
When you watch him play, the movement I mean, you
talk about the movement he gets coming off the ball,

(59:34):
pretty impressive there, Eric All.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah, it just whenever you look at the tight end position,
I'm looking at brock Bauers up top. I like Jatavian
Sanders from Texas too.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
I think he's like the upside.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
There is upside there, But then it's just a bunch
of guys. That's just kind of where it's at with
the position. There's a significant you talked about it a
little bit there, Nick, whenever you're saying top to bottom
from Catstover to Jared Wiley, it could be However, many
picks in between, they could go anywhere in the third,
third round on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I will say I think that when I say Wiley
second off the world, it's because I think most I
think most teams are going to have Wiley above Sanders.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
He thinks most.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Both of them are guys that played two ways in
high school, so it's different, you know, Like they're both
raw at the position.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
So was Quentin Johnston's quarterback.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
But I do think Jeane Bell is going to rise
because people are looking for Deebo esque feel and I
think he can do some of that stuff as well.
So I'm like, yeah, this class is different, This tight
end class is different.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
How does it compare to last year's se y'all?

Speaker 13 (01:00:39):
Last year's much much more time, much stronger lets stronger
of both the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Top in talent.

Speaker 13 (01:00:43):
Last year's class, I think once you got into late
day two, early day three, though, you were kind of
reaching in certain points, like there were a couple of
teams I'd hit I can't think off the top of
my head, But it was the top end talent that
really made the tight end class one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I mean you're you're hearing guys in prospects talk about
guys that they modeled their game after. And one of
the names is Sam la Porter. He was a rookie
last year. Yeah, that's how impactful that rookie class was
a year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
But is right too about Bell? They hand him the
ball on reverses and stuff like that in the open field.
I mean, the guys, the guy's got some legitimate talent
running with the ball, catching the ball as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
All right, we got to get out of here. It
was good having you for the last year.

Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
I feel like I'm about to sing a song, Like
I'm just standing over this mic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
What would your song choice beak?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
No, there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
He would put us all the shame for Nick Harris,
for Bobby Bell, Bryan brought us for Aisha Morrison and
Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yoman saying so long,
we will see you next week on the Draft Show.

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