Draft Show: Wide Range of Options

Dallas can go several ways in the upcoming offseason, with the first domino being the new head coaching hire. How can this affect the draft strategy? Plus, the crew looks at the top wide receiver prospects.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and for scoo
and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Today is January twenty third, twenty twenty five, and we
are ninety one days away from the NFL Draft in
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome in everybody to the Draft Show,
presented by Miller, Like the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.
It's Miller time and it's time to talk draft. Might
be time to hire a new head coach. We'll know

(00:42):
very surely here.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Over the next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I think we're starting to get a pretty good fixture
of it all. But we've got Nick, Harris, Voch Lombardi,
Tommy Yarsh, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're
with us. Lots still to be decided in the building.
It's kind of tough to really dive in until that
decision has been made, but we'll hit that later on.
One thing I do want to talk about, Nick, you
you sent me a quote from the new GM of

(01:07):
the Tennessee Titans speaking on what it's going to take
up at the front of the draft. And that's one
thing we haven't mentioned yet is what could happen in
front of the Cowboys at twelve. He said, you don't
want to pass on a generational talent at the.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Number one pace.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
We are not going to we are not going to
pass on in terms of the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So that kind of begs the question, who's the generational
talent that they're not going to pass on and what else.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Could fall in front of the first eleven picks.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
There's there's a very clear generational talent in this draft.
And his name rhymes with Bravis Bunner, you know, And
I think I think that's the I think that's the
obvious one. You could make the case that there's three, though.
You can make the case for Abdul Carter, make the case.
I'm not necessarily saying that. I'm saying you can make
the case. And I think you can make the case
for gent. Yeah, those are the guys you can make

(01:59):
the case for. You're not making the You're not making
the case for cam Ward. I don't think you're making
the case for any of these other guys that are
you know, rumored to go top five. I think I
think that they eventually follow on one of those three guys.
But if he's if he's coming out with a statement
like that, and the odds yesterday in Vegas flip heavily
into Travis Hunter's favor, I don't know. I think we
might see Hunter to go to Nashville.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
They need a quarterback though they do more than anything,
but they've whipp done some quarterbacks recently.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I mean, maybe Travis Hunter can air that thing out.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh yeah, speaking of generation, we'll Salent, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Did you ever hear that type of talk from a
brand new GM Brian Becket.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Oh, it's absolutely, you know, it's one of the things
that when you know, I had the opportunity to run
the draft in Philadelphia in ninety eight. We were sitting
there in the eleven hole, and you know, if I
remember working with the scouts in Philadelphia and thinking that
way about Randy Moss, you know, and Jeff Lurie made
the statement that you know, listen, Brian, I'm not comfortable

(02:58):
taking the player, and I'm thinking, okay, well, sir, just
know that he is this type of a player. He
can be an absolute difference maker's I just don't feel
comfortable taking him. Brian and I'll and I'll wear that one.
He goes, I'll wear that one if that's where we're
going to go, and I said, well, yes, sir, you
own this team, and and we moved on. But yeah,

(03:19):
I think that every general manager, you know, the older
I've gotten, the more I want the I want the
the the best player, I want the healthiest player, and
I want the most stable player my first round pick.
And I think if you find a guy that has
all three of those traits, he's got a chance to
be that type of player for you. So yeah, I

(03:39):
can I surely appreciate, Uh what the what the r
GM there in Tennessee is trying to do? What were
the three elements there? You said, Yeah, give me, give
me a guy it's got give me a guy it's
an outstanding the ability as a player, give me the
guy that's got the health and give me the guy
that's the stable guy. Absolutely, you think Travis Hunter fits
all three of those? I think did Travis Hunter? Absolutely does?

(04:01):
I think Travis Hunter if you if you really really
dive into Travis Hunter, you know you could see the
fact that he plays at such a high level that
you know, I the only player I kind of remember
was a Charles Woodson, and I think Charles Woodson to
me was a generational player. As matter of fact, it
cost me my job here that with Charles Woodson, that
I fought for him so hard that Bill Parcells wanted

(04:24):
nothing to do with me after that point. But Charles
Woodson went on even later with Green Bay and had
a tremendous career. But I do believe that. And so, yeah,
Travis Hunter, you watch how he you know, how he
plays these games. You watch how he interacts with people.
You know. I mean there's a lot of people he's
having to deal with because of what social media is nowadays.

(04:44):
He's having to know his own personal life is kind
of getting drug through the mud a little bit. And
I think he's handling things very very well. Very stable guy,
you know, outstanding player, and you know the health of
the guy. He's been banged up a little bit, not
to the point where it would take you make you
think about, you know, is he a guy that's always
going to be hurt. I don't think that's the case
for Travis Hunter. What do you guys think about outside

(05:05):
of Hunter? The guys that fit those three different molds.
In terms of a generational type of player, I.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
Don't really use generational a lot because I would like
for there to be a whole generation of players, you know,
prior to you know you being the next dude.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
Right. So, Ashton Jentsy, right, fantastic.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
I can't call him generational because two drafts ago would
have another fantastic running back like this.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
Is John a couple weeks or a couple of years ago.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Sure, So I think what you got to ask yourself
with this? First of all, the GM on where he's
probably lying, right, it's January. You know you're not gonna
show your hand in early January, late January, February, right,
But let's just ask, just heal a little game, play
a little game. Do you take with hindsight Jayden Daniels,
we know who Jayden Daniels is, franchise quarterback?

Speaker 7 (05:50):
Or do you take generational Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
If I'm Washington, or is assist in general if.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
You Tennessee, and we have this time machine where we
know who Jayden and Daniels is, he's in this draft,
he's versus let's assume they don't like cam Ward that's
why he said, oh okay, yeah, right, So let's take
a generational player versus a quarterback that you feel like
it's gonna hit and take any quarterback.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, I'm taking Daniels. Yeah, so it it.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
I mean, you don't want to be Pittsburgh saying okay, well,
let's take Kenny Pickett just because he's a quarterback.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
And Kenny Pickett is that a whole nothering And that
was at.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
The twenty fourth overall pick. Now the first overall pick.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
So that makes it even worse. So if it's me, man,
if you trust the quarterback, take the quarterback. If you
don't trust the quarterback, then take the player that you trust.
I'm trusting Travis over cam or Chador or whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Do you trust these quarterbacks?

Speaker 8 (06:38):
I trust cam Ward at number one. I think that
makes the most sense. And I'm with Vatch. I think
there's a little bit of coach speaks slash GM speak.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Going on little Lyons.

Speaker 8 (06:47):
I think it's a little hashtag lying season because later
on in this press conference, he also said that they're
going to turn over every rock to find their franchise
changing quarterback. And I think for the Titans tennis camp
Ward makes the sense. Yeah, how much are they gonna
pay im?

Speaker 5 (07:03):
What is it? Forty million dollars? All the money, all
the money?

Speaker 8 (07:06):
Okay, No, I think that, you know, if for them
in their in their situation, I think quarterback makes the
most sense.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
And I think that.

Speaker 8 (07:14):
If they if they draft a guy like cam Ward,
then your GM's going to come back out and be like, oh, well,
he's a generational talent. Because there's your GM speak, because
they want to sell it to the fan base. So
I think they're just trying to sell it to the
fan base. It's his first day on the job. Try
and generate as much hype as you can. If he's
If they're going to draft generational player, it's going to
be Travis Hunter. But if they're going to draft their

(07:34):
franchise changing quarterback after they turn every rock, I think
it's camp board.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I ran in the cam woard last night. He was
at the North Texas basketball game. I asked him to
be on the show. He said, no, he's a media can. Okay,
he's just hanging out.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
He's hanging out with his former head coach, Eric Morris.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, watch the recruit watches just be a situation It's
like when the Calves have the number one overall pick
in twenty thirteen and they drafted Anthony Bennett when there
was they're gonna draft like Nick Scourton first overall. We're
gonna look back on that quote. Generational.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Okay, all right, wow, he is generation but but like
those kind of guys, they don't really save the day really,
like Miles Garrett, right, generational guy.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
Yeah, he's not the guy saving Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
Right, Like they got to look for quarterback and they
kind of let Baker going. Baker's doing great things somewhere else.
But you know, like Mac didn't change the Raiders, Like
what generational guy recently has changed that team so much?
Where Hey, this generational dude changed the whole face of
what we do quarterback or not?

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Are we talking number one overall? Because I think Mahomes,
for sure.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
That's different. He's a generational quarterback.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I think that's kind of outside of a non quarterback
generational player.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
When was the last time.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
One of the guys at the top of the list
might be across the hallway? Micah look at the way
that this twenty twenty Cowboys defense was and then what
it has become, said then he changed the face of
the identity of the Cowboys franchise as the edge rusher,
and a lot of that was dan Quinn too. Don't
get me wrong, they've they changed the identity, but I
don't think you do that.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Without Micah in the fold. But I get your point.
And that's just one example along the way. Maybe Jamar
Chase and what he did. But he's got a generational
quarterback up there. He's got a great quarterback and John
say that guy, let me, let me say this, and
this is going to be way off that probably like
at a left field, that kid at the Raiders, that
tight end has got power, rock powers. I mean, if

(09:17):
they get things kind of fixed up where they get
the offensive line and you get a quarterback, and that
kid has a chance to be a player that for
you know, he could be as great as the Tony
Gonzalezes and the guys, all those great tight ends that
we've seen throughout history, you know, I mean the way
that he makes plays, the way I mean, if he

(09:37):
stays healthy, I mean he is going to break a
lot of tight end records. I mean, we saw a
great one here for a number of years. But Chasing
Witten this kid's got a chance to be even better
than that. And when you look at numbers and touchdowns
and all those things, I think he could be a
generational player for the for the Raiders. What happens after Tennessee,
then if we're talking about generational, we're talking about the

(10:00):
possibility there of a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Or Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
I think we can maybe say that's fair outside of
nick scenario A moment ago, what happens.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
With Cleveland, New York, New England, Jacksonville to round out
that top five? Where do you feel like they could lean.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, there's a need kind of across the board from
two to eleven. I think there's two positions that really
stick out as edge and receiver. And I see the
Browns going after Abdual quarter I think that makes the
most sense. Unless they really like one of these two
quarterbacks and they fall to them Giants, they're gonna be
looking for a quarterback. Patriots, they are gonna be looking
for an edge. Jaguars, you could be making the case

(10:37):
that they could be looking for secondary. I mean, there's
gonna be some different positions that go before the Cowboys
pick as well. But I see receiver and edge as
most likely.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Okay, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
I think Giants and Vegas you're looking at you're looking
at quarterback and then receiver and edge gonna be something
offensive line too. I could definitely see be in a
position that goes at run. You know those those top
end tackles, like a Will Campbell from LSU or Kelvin
Banks from Texas. It wouldn't surprised me at all if
they don't get out of the top ten. I mean,
you look at teams like Chicago that could use one, Jacksonville,

(11:12):
maybe even Vegas if they if they really like a
guy and don't want to go to the quarterback route,
you can take one there.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
You have any positions up top votch that have to
go before.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Twelve, honestly, no, man, Just personally, I think they're just
gonna take the best dude, like whoever they think the
best do. I don't think there's a the best wide
receiver has to go here because they need wide receiver.
I think all these teams kind of suck equally or whatever,
you know, so they're just gonna go, Okay, we can
use a lot of things, right, so we'll just take
Carter right here, we could use a lot. So let's

(11:42):
just take Mason Graham right here and just take the
best guy. Because I got to BPA early. If you're
in that two to five range, you can't go. I
need a receiver.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
But Mason Graham is much better than this receiver. So
I'm gonna take the receiver. I think maybe when you
get down to like eight or nine, that's when those
guys start to go in for knee more. But I
think when once you get past Graham and Carter and
those guys, and you know, t Mac and all that,
then it'll kind of open up the board just a
little bit. But you're not taking Kelvin Banks over over

(12:12):
Carter or over Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
To me, there's a lot of questions about this offensive
tackle group. Yeah, and then I think that's going to
scare some people. I mean especially, and I keep saying this.
I think, though, when you get to the top of
that board, you want to take the best player, and
you want to take the healthiest one, the most stable one.
That's the three things that I gave you right there.
You want to do everything in your power to eliminate

(12:34):
any potential mistakes that you're gonna make and that when
you're in the top five, there's no reason to gamble
on guys. You take the guy that looks like to
be and there's no reason not to take the hunters
and the carters and the gent's and to my point,
even McMillan, you know from Arizona, there's guys like that.
I tell you what, if Simmons with the tackle from

(12:57):
from Ohio State was healthy, he would be in the
mix for me too. But there's a lot of corners.
I just think you take the guy that can absolutely
cover all and check all those boxes we talk about
all the time, and then now worry about things at
the top of the second round, the top of the
third round, and then work your draft from there.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So does that approach where I know in the past
we've wanted.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Quarterbacks to go early. Every quarterback possible.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Go in the top ten picks, the top eleven picks,
or whatever it is leading into the Cowboys. Does that
BPA mindset of we don't want to risk it in
the top ten top eleven.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Picks help or hurt the Cowboys? I think if anything,
it probably hurts them. Yeah, it definitely hurts because what
you're going to have to do is now you're trying
to kind of figure out, you know, the other teams
if they're taking their best players off their board, that's
going to hurt you for where you're going to as well,
because you're all looking at the same players. But you
know you're going to be you're going to be on

(13:53):
the very edge of your window potentially of a first
round grade on your board. Not to say that taking
it players sixteen on your border seventeen is a bad thing,
but you would like ultimately to try and navigate this
thing where you take somebody out of your first round stack.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Have you done a mock draft yet?

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Nick?

Speaker 7 (14:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
No, no, no, not this early on.

Speaker 9 (14:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I try to stay away until after combine.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, has anybody done one yet? Looking at just where
it's gonna end up? I don't vatch you do a
couple on the YouTube.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
I do that. Mock drafts are goofy. I hate them.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
And if you know everybody's not gonna they just oh,
they'll never take a dual carter second over, you'll know
what you're talking about. Like, people hate mock drafts, but
they love to look at them, but they hate you
for picking.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Nobody knows what.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
How many are in your mentions right now.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
I don't even count them because they're not gonna upset
my soul. But we do look at other people do
mocks and sure, sure, and that's why we kind of
have a feeling that, Okay, well Carter may be the first,
you know, nun Travis Hunter got to go, oh well,
Mason Graham is always righting at Jacksonville Range. You know
Campbell from LSU, he's he's always a bear, and this

(14:59):
ind three jet or always one of those guys, right, Yeah,
So I think the mock drafts are what they are
right now. I think Senior Bowling combine is going to happen.
I think it's going to shake it up one more time.
But I think the top twelve or so guys I
want to say, is locked in. But I think people
are going to poke some more holes in some of these.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Edges up there.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
You know, yeah, Mike, I've been seeing him a lot
in these top tensers, so I think they're going to
keep poke some holes in him. He may end up
out of their top twelve so conversation, But for the
most part, I think the top five or seven is
going to be the same.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
What do you feel like the safest bet is for
Dallas to have their available at twelve.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
It's a good question. I feel like GENTI will be there.
You think so, I think so?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Any reason, yeah, any reason the Bears would take him
with the new head coach that they have, the fact
that they the way that they draft or the way
they signed running backs, the way they use running backs,
they got a block for they Well, I'll tell you
one thing though, if you've ever watched Barry Sanders play
football or Walter Payton, they need they you know what
they blocking. Like I say to me, when you take

(16:04):
a guy like Ashton Genty, say here and Dallas's offensive
line I think has got some promise. It's not anywhere
where it needs to be like what you have in
Philadelphia's some of these other teams that run the ball
really really well. I think the back, a back that
can make people miss, I think is really really important
because Ashton Genty will allow you to be able to

(16:26):
run the ball as you're developing your offensive line. And
so that's why when people say you can't take it
back in the first round, Well, if you have if
you have an offensive line that isn't great. A great
back will make a bad offensive line or a poor
offensive line better. What do you think now, I'm with you.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
I think I completely agree, and that's why I think
he you know, he could be there for Dallas. I
just think the Bears. They just signed DeAndre Swift last office,
sure drafted Roston Johnson a couple of years ago. I
think they like what he's done for them so far,
use them a little bit more towards the end of
the season. Caleb Williams got sacked eight times last year.
No question, they really need help on the offensive line.

(17:03):
So I think that's kind of the direction that they
would lean.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, no, I you know, I yeah, I understand to
think about the line and all that stuff. But you
got to also remember, though, that is a absolute new
coaching staff there, and they didn't and they didn't draft
any of those guys, right, so they inherited these players.
That's what they've done.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
Bryan's point.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
If y'all just go watch GENC versus Organ, Right, like
their first Organ, Derek Harmon beat the hell out of
everybody on their boys stayed offensive line, and Gens still
found a way to find what like one hundred and
ninety some yards.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
Some of the goofy ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
So even if your line is not perfect, just don't
have five bad offensive line, just have just have one
O five and gensy heavy with the risk.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I like how the NFL script is starting to play
its factor here, he said. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.
Walter Payton was pretty good in Chicago. Barry Sanders played
in Detroit. Chicago just got their new head coach from Detroit.
So it's all coming together, all connected in the NF You.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Just manifested gents to the Packers.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
To me, this is yeah, this is where like say,
when you start to talk about you know, Dallas, clearly
I I and I don't know about you guys. We
get down to it at twelve. If genty is, I
guarantee you you're going to ask everybody in the room
who's the best player on the board, and every one
of us is going to say genty and less in fact,
in fact it Hunter doesn't get picked or something like that.

(18:18):
But yeah, we're going there's going to be some guys
that are going to get picked off that board behind genty.
And then when you ask us, it's going to be
genty and when they don't pick him, then we'll just
all move on. And they said, well, they probably needed
a Buka or somebody else that they felt like that,
maybe Banks. And there's nothing wrong with those picks. There's
nothing wrong. But you're gonna ask us. Oh, absolutely, And

(18:40):
the way I believe that we're going to stack our
boards is that gent is going to be one of
the top guys.

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Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yes, a long time.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
You all's going to the combine.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
We need to work on this now, make this happen.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
We'll put it all together.

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Speaker 5 (21:48):
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Speaker 4 (21:51):
Nick, No, Now, I used to be when I was
a kid. I'm not gonna lie back when I was
out in East Texas being a little country boy.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
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Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, but nothing you do.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like the mutton busting where you're the sheep.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You ever do that?

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I don't even know what the hell that is.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, you like write it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
They like put you in a cage with a sheep
and then they let it go and the kid's supposed
to like hold on and ride.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
The sheep across like the rodeo grounds. It's the thing
I did it back in the day.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, it's fun to imagine.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
M Yeah, there's a video of.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Me out there somewhere, not out there, but like my
parents have it in a drawer somewhere where it's like
a cam quarter video of me just getting bucked off
a sheep.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Big Central Texas.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, Waco, Texas baby born and raised. All right,
Chris Beam, you know what time it is. It's time for.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Twitter Twitter on the twenty first question, this is the
one it is going into the break. It's a first
time question from Caden in Frisco. Cayden asked, what about
the opportunity to flip Cooper bebe back to guard where
he was of course traditionally playing at Kansas State. And

(22:49):
if that's the case, are there any centers that would
allow you to do so in this year's NFL draft?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, that was a specific Caden in Frisco that asked
me this exact same question yesterday. I this is this
is fascinating. The center class is not as fun as
it was last year. That's that's that's first point. No
Zach fer no, No, there's no Zach Fraser's, no Graham Barton,
no even you know, BB's where you could like see
the possibility of a slide in. I think though, there's

(23:17):
a lot of experience, and I wonder how the experience
will translate whenever these guys get brought in for thirty visits,
whenever they get met for formal interviews at combine and
how those guys might poke up some boards. You look
at Seth McLaughlin out of Ohio State, that's a guy
with a ton of experience. Jake Major's at Texas, a
ton of experience. Goughlin's heart right yeah, Parker braills Ford
at out of Alabama, a lot of experience, Jake Slaughter

(23:39):
out of Florida, a lot of You get the point.
I think I wonder how this experience will translate whenever
that time comes around. But as I see it right now,
I keep BB where he's at. I mean, he played,
he played there his whole rookie season. He played damn well.
I think it's harder to find a center in this
league than it is to find a guard and go ahead,
and you know, lock down BB for what you have
and find your guard. At the same point, we'll see it.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
Yeah, I think if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
So I think he played well enough at center to
keep him there. And if it becomes a problem, I
mean that that that may be the point where you
consider it. But I agree this center class, I mean
I kind of I like Slaughter from Florida. I think
he played really well this year finished as an All
American on the first team, a great run blocker, eight

(24:23):
hundred snaps this year, and he's played in at least
twelve games in each of his last three seasons at Florida,
So there's experience there. I know, Nick and I were
talking about Jake Majors from Texas yesterday as a guy
with a bunch of experience. So there's options there, but
I don't I don't think any of those options are
better than Cooper BB.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
But true, did you talk to you and I did
a show, did you have somebody that you would move
from tackle to center that you was it.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Bo Marcus bo bo bo?

Speaker 5 (24:50):
Is it bo vouw?

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, he's a tackle for me, but people will have
him at guard. But I don't like small guards. He's
like three. Yeah, I don't like small, but I do
think that he'll be a great center because he's very athletic,
he can move around all this kind of stuff. But
I still like the heavy, powerful center. That's my personal preference.
So what I was saying last year, you know, just
on YouTube talking, I want my center to be strong again.

(25:14):
So let's either get a strong center or let's get
a guard and make him center, and snapping and stepping
is tough to snapping and stephan. It's a lot of
butt turning that you gotta do. All this adjustments. When
you at guards, you're really just flying off and just
whooping people. It'll hurt me to look at BB and say, man, look,
you spend three hundred and sixty five days learning how

(25:35):
to snap and step go back to guard. I wouldn't
want to do that. What I would want to do
is keep him there and keep center strong, and take
Tyler Smith and keep left guard strong, and find you
a powerful right guard. A summon. Zach's not going to
be here, and let's just be strong in the middle,
and let's just move a gap. Let's move b gap.
I don't want to go back to the days when

(25:55):
you got to hide center. Beyaddish was cool, but Beyaddish
was this stalemate guy had guys what they called it, right.
You just line up hat on hat, run your feet,
hope for the best, and a running back and just
pick a hole. That's cool, But I want bodies to
hit the floor. So I'm fine with BB coming back,
probably stronger, probably Nick a little thicker because of the offseason.
Peanut Butter that they give them around here to just

(26:16):
makee people big for no reason. Let's get another strong
guard up in here. Let's go boogie Tate ratleys from George.
Let's go get him.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Bring him in.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
How y'allom Tyler Booker. I mean he was left guard
mainly at Alabama.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
He's a killer.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yeah, stud, that's a perfect example.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Put him right there, and let's be stronger.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
If you have two powerful guards and a powerful center,
you can live with question marks at tackle like we have.
You know what I'm saying, you can live with all right,
Luke school Maker, just chip out there and everything inside
is going to be just fine.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Let's run the ball up the middle.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
That would give Tyler Guyton enough opportunity to grow into
his own. Whether it be a left tackle or right tackle.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Either one of those would be an option. If you've
got a strike.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
I just believe if you correct the penalties with Geyton,
I think you'll have a better player. Yeah. I think
that's where people are they're focusing on. Would you move
him back to right tackle? Well, you've played him over there. Unfortunately,
he got injured this season and it caused him miss
some training camp and some games and all that but
if you watch him play, it's the penalties that were
the problem. It wasn't the overall play, it was just

(27:14):
the penalties.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
It's a good place to start overall.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Nate asked what positions on this team can you confidently
in all caps, confidently say you do not need to
draft another player? Is there a single position on this
roster where you feel like you are good.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Maybe after free agency we'll have a better clear answer of.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
That as we stand right now, left guard in particular,
you know, tight end.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
I think you could draft a.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Tight I still have confidence in Ferguson and Schoonmaker moving forward,
and I like some of the undrafted guys like Brevins,
van Ford and John Stevens. I know he hasn't played
a whole lot, but I think I'm confident at tight end.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
But I know people out there that aren't.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
They don't have enough picks to that don't have enough
pick to even get filled there. This is to me,
and and this is just my thought. You're about to
have a second round of potentially losing a bunch of guys,
and you're when you're talking about Golston, you're talking about
Jordan Lewis, you're talking in free agency. Free agency, we're
about to have the second purge, and and you don't

(28:18):
really want to go that way. They don't have enough
picks and maybe not enough cap space to potentially fill
all the holes that they're going to have. I don't
think there's any position that you could say that you
can't draft and it would help your team right now.
I'm sure people would say quarterback, but you know what,
you don't have a backup quarterback right now, and your
quarterback has been getting hurt here as of late, so

(28:40):
you might want to consider that too. Yeah, your backup
quarterback right now is Will Greer moving forward in the
reserves contract moving forward?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Were you gonna say something I forgot?

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (28:50):
So so Jake right? You feel about Jake Ferguson? Can
is Jake going to be a guy that's going to
be around for a long time? Or do you think
the cow Boys are going to turn tight end into
like a factory type thing where we're just going to
draft the fifth round of this year. Well, we'll bring
another undrafted guy and just keep rotating the guys.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'll throw in a conversation I had with one of
the front office members earlier this season.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And he said when they were going through.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
The players across the board to keep long term in Dallas,
they sat down before right after the Dak Prescott deal
was done, and as they were talking and going through it,
they went with Dak and he said, which guys do
you want? The first guy Dak pointed to was Jake Ferguson.
He'll be around for a long time. He's going to
be around for a minute. So they're going to invest

(29:37):
in Ferguson and they're going to invest in getting him
right moving forward.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
For sure, your tight end one Harold Fannon from Boston College.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Tight an two. But he's in that conversation.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
A tight end you love.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
We just yeah, who's your tight end one.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Let's just assume that the league has made all kind
of mistakes and he's at the top of the board
in the third round.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
For you and Jake, Sure guy, Yes, Okay, I just
want to see where we're at with this.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
See but that I think is more of an indictment
on Luke's Schoomaker more than anything. But Schoomaker right now
is a bust of a second round pick. He hasn't
lived up to that expectation. I don't think that's necessarily
an indictment on Ferguson and what he could bring.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
I think tight end, you're gonna live and die by
four at this point Dak right, Sure, So if Dak's
not there, we may not have great tight end play.
If Dak is playing, let's go all right, Luke, are
you good with Dak?

Speaker 15 (30:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Not really?

Speaker 6 (30:30):
All these other guys, you know, it's mostly ferg Right,
So you just got to ask, is ferg like gonna
be a long term guy attached to Dak?

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Is that gonna be here past three years?

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Like?

Speaker 7 (30:40):
We just got to have a questions like that.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
And so I just think when we're looking at tight ends,
do we stop because we don't got so many picks?
Do we not look at tight end if we feel
confident about Jake Ferguson. I don't think Ferguson's done enough
to be like a new coach proof guy or like
a new quarterback proof guy. If Dak retires today, are
we sure Jake is gonna be here?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
There was a point in the season last year, it
was probably like eight or nine weeks in. I think
it was right around the Atlanta game when a coach
on this team said, off the record that Hunter Lippy
is the second best tight end on this team. And
if they feel like that midway through a season, it
doesn't matter how scoon Maker finishes a year or how
John Stevens Junior bounces back from another a cl injury.
They got to go get a guy. Yeah, I'm firmly
in the in the belief that they're going to go

(31:23):
get a tight end this year.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Where would you put Hunter Lipke in that that list?
One tight end?

Speaker 5 (31:27):
I figured love some Hunter Lipkey. All right, this is
from Calvin. This will be interesting.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
You guys are gonna have to to listen here.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
He's this is a pick your fighter in the first
three rounds. Going back here, all right.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
First option Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, and Jayden Higgins.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
It's his first round, first.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Three rounds for the Cowboys. These are different scenarios along
the way.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Let me go find this, he said.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Calvin Banks, Texas Johnson, Caleb Johnson helped me out on
school here, Iowa Jayden Higgins. I so you're going straight
big twelve and former Big twelve there. Oh, I guess
I was Big ten. Never mind forget I said that.
But Banks, Johnson Higgins are the three first round picks.
There are three first three round picks there. Next one
is Luther Burden from Missouri, Diannie Walker.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Is that how you say it?

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Ni? Diannie Walker, de Walker Kentucky, Ollie Gordon running back
from Oklahoma State. That's your second option.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
We need to have a fascinating conversation about Ali Gordon
at some point.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Absolutely, I completely agree, and then Ashton Genty starts off
the last option, of course, running back from Boise State,
Xavier Rostrepo wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
From Miami, and then TJ. Sanders at the end of
that one. You want me to repeat it all again?
Kelvin Banks, Johnson, excuse me, Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, Jaden Higgins.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
That's your first option. Luther Burden, Dion Walker, Ollie Gordon
is your second option, Ashton Gent Xavier Rostreppo, TJ. Sanders
is your third option. Where are you going?

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Do? I?

Speaker 12 (32:57):
Is?

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Option three? Is option three?

Speaker 5 (32:59):
The post one? To me? On my board? Option three
would be a one, A three, and a three. Okay,
that's what would be on my board. What would your
other ones be? Banks, Johnson and Higgins. Banks would be
a one, Johnson would be a two. Higgins would be
a three. So that's in order to the rounds. So
that's that's fair assessment. Uh, Burden, Walker and Gordon. Burden

(33:22):
would be a one. Walker would be a two. Gordon
I have not looked at yet.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, and that's that's fair. He's kind of down the
list I think right now. Burden as a one.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Kind of intriguing is how many first round grades do
you have at wide receiver? Three? Three of them mc millan, Burden,
and Abuca.

Speaker 6 (33:40):
Okay, if you trade out Gordon for best running back available,
because I think Gordon's going to be like a date
three guy. So if my Gordon, what happened to him?
Trayvon Henderson or something like that, then I'm I'm taking.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
We've got time to have that conversation now, if you
want to have that line.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Okay, last year I think paired with a lot of
issues in Stillwater. I mean, you start the year Alli
Gordon coach, You start the year with him having the
DUI like two weeks before the season started, right. If
you go into yeah, and then you go into the
year with a bad offensive line, an offensive line that
gets hurt. Now granted he's six foot, he's a huge kid,

(34:17):
six foot two, two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,
like he should be able to make guys miss wasn't
necessarily making guys miss. I think it's like missibility was
a lot more in focus this year, whereas last year
he had an offensive line, he had guys in front
of him, he had a competent quarterback with him, he
had competent weapons around him, and it's why he was
a dok Walker winner in twenty three. I think he
suffered behind an offensive line, and it begs the question,

(34:37):
if he goes to a school or if he goes
to a program that does not have a successful offensive line,
can he succeed. And I don't know if that's the case.
And that shouldn't be the case for a guy that's
six foot two hundred and twenty five pounds. He should
be a guy that's like, hey, we can draft this guy.
Our offensive line might not be the best, but he's
a big tank bowling ball. He'll fight forward for extra yardage.
I don't think he uses his frame to his best advantage,
whereas we've seen that from him in years past. I

(34:59):
think mileage could be thing because he carried the ball
so often in high school against Trinity. I think high
school mileage definitely needs to be factored in when you
talk about Ali Gordon and then you go to Oklahoma State. Granted,
he didn't really pick up that starting role until about
week three of twenty twenty three, but once he did,
they leaned on him a lot in twenty three.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
He had two hundred and eighty five carries in twenty three.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
And that was like in ten games as a star.

Speaker 15 (35:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah, like those first three games he had like ten
carries totals, and then last year really carried him through.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
He still put up one hundred and ninety carries last
year too.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Look, I'm an Alli Gordon believer. I put a third
round grade on him. I'm an Alli Gordon believer, but
I think he needs to have a good offense.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Okay, where would you in relation to Samson? Tennessee behind Harvey,
Central Florida behind Yeah, Junkins, Ohio State, Yeah, Neil, Kansas
uh in front.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I'm not as big on Neil as everyone else.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Okay, somebody asked about Neil here, what is the consensus
on Devin Neil from Kansas?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
That's Michael's Question's that's still one I need to go
back because I gave him an N season grade and
I still need to go back and watch like his
full season. I love the production. He only just one
game in his entire career. He had three straight seasons
over one thousand yards. I mean the productions there. Don't
get me wrong, I don't know. I don't know. I
get I get a I'm scared of Blake Korum doing
this again this year. Where I look at the production,

(36:12):
I'm like, I don't care what he looks like. I
see the production. I'm scared of doing that again. And
I think Devin Neil starting to factor into that mind process.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Would Olie Gordon if say he came out in twenty
four this last previous year, last draft, would he be
up there with Johnson from Iowa, Hampton from North Carolina? Yeah, Anderson,
I think he probably would have been RB one last year,
probably a second round RB one, right.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, second round RB one last year?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
God, which one is he? Guys? Which one is he?
Is he the second round dude? Or is he the
third round dude?

Speaker 15 (36:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean you're there.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
No, No, you're scared. It's our little draft room here.
You're scaring the hell out of me right now with
off the field stuff. Yeah, you know, because I've seen
a running back here that you know, likes to do
things off the field and then you know, and get
it took a lot of carries, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I'll say this about Alli Gordon, known the kid since
he was fifteen. I don't have character concerns with all. Okay, partier, Yeah,
but what college student Oklahoma's.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well no, but I'm saying because I think it affects.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
I don't think it's I don't think it's a major thing. Okay,
I don't think it's.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Because See, that's the questions I would ask you if
we were sitting in a war room right now and
you start talking with this guy, and I would think,
why is this guy slowing down? Because you were scaring
the hell out of me right now with the way
you're describing him as Hey, last year, Brian, he was this,
this year he's this. Yeah, you know, and I'm trying
to figure out was it an offensive line, was it
a coach that was getting you know, the coach there's

(37:35):
a little crazy to begin with. Maybe they didn't get along,
you know, but you're you're scaring the hell out of me.
About this player right now?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Kind of playing along with the war room esque type
of question here, would there ever be a point when
you are scared in this regard and you're you're not
liking what you're hearing one way or the Oh, I.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Trust my scout, you trust I trust my scout. But
would but I need him to tell me why? Why
is he? Why was he if he came out last year?
I see a second round guy, and why did he
fall off so badly? And are we going to get
a player that's on the decline? So the pressure scenario
is on, you got to tell me why. Yeah, I
would say it's it's because I haven't seen the player. Yeah,

(38:13):
I mean and I and I'm going to see the
player myself. I feel like I've watched a lot of
these uh the Rutgers and Auburn, they've all got you know,
everybody's got running backs. But by the way you're talking
like I'm interested about the player from the previous year,
this player scares the hell out of me.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
In this class, I wouldn't take him in this class.
In this class, I would not take it. Okay, with
the names that are I.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
See that now.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Now, with the names that I would expect to be
right there. You could look at Dami Martinez out of Miami,
who has got the same type of physical trade six foot,
two hundred and thirty two pounds. I think he's going
to give the be the guy that gives you a
little bit more effort and situations that can fight forward.
TODs Brooks, I think he'll be there in the third round.
That's another bowling ball type at five ten to two
thirty Kalamannung guy, not necessarily bowling ball type, but five
nine two oh nine. That's that's the guy I would

(38:57):
take in that sation.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
We talked about him last night. That's a good player.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
Brocker guy see.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Five foot nine, and I think he's the best pass
protector in this class.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
I think you make a good point, Nick, because just
how running back is like, it gives you a luxury
to go, Okay, we'll just pass on Gordon because it's
so many of them. Do we do the same thing
with like a pass rusher or something like that, or
like maybe a wide receiver. So our wide receiver from
Ohio State, how you say his name?

Speaker 7 (39:19):
BOOKA right? His twenty twenty two film right Fantastic. CJ.
Stroud throwing the ball all over the ball.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
We are top tier here, right, But if you look
at his numbers now they kind of down a little bit.
But you can directly look at that and go, okay,
it's a big difference between quarterback here here here. But
if you have like a premium dude, edge, wide receiver,
offensive line, whatever, and you don't know why they're bad
or you don't have a great reason, you really you
can really have faith in that reason. We don't know

(39:45):
why Gordon ain't as good as he would like, you know, Nick,
Nick gave a lot of reasons, but it's not as
clear as oh yeah, my quarterback just wasn't as good
and it just fell off. So I'm passing on Gordon.
He's probably a great player, and Gordon to probably go
to New England or something and he fantastic, gonna be
probably fantastic. But I'm just not rolled the dice guy.
With these type of sit woics.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's an interesting conversation, really is. I appreciate the insight
on both sides, because that's.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
What a war room's like. You have a scout that's
known the guy for.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
A significant amount of time, having a conversation with him,
with the people around him, and then you get challenged
by the front office in order to do something.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
He did a great job of hainting the player, the
picture of the player. The thing about it is like
I said, that's you know we with with the way
the board set up. Though he just told me, he goes,
I wouldn't draft this guy, yep, And but we got
to give the players due and you got to put
him on your board. But he just he just he said.
And then as a room is, if I was the
director and he said that, then I would say, Okay,

(40:42):
put him down there at the bottom of the board
and let's go to the next player.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
If you were to fall though, and we're looking up
day three, midday three, we finally got our first pick
in the fifth round, and we don't have a running
back yet, So I'd bring that conversation back up, okay,
but but not I think with the names that.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
You're not taking him off your board. You're just pushing
him further down.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
Yeah, he's not really a fourth round guys what he
sounds like right now.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Which is difficult because if this we have the full
context of Ollie Gordon. Sure, we're in twenty twenty four,
I think you would make the case that you could
still draft him in the third round. You could put
him in that conversation with God. I'm trying to think
of the run that went in the third round last year,
like Korum, h and Irving. Yeah, I think he went
the fourth. But yeah, I think you could put him

(41:22):
in that conversation and you'd feel comfortable, Hey, I think
you can draft this kid. But with the way this
class is set up specifically, there's gonna be a lot
of backs that fall that would be a lot higher
in other classes, and I think he's going to be
prime example.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Number one, you had Blake Korum last year in the third.
You had Marshawn Lloyd out of USC last year in
the third.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
He gives me Lloyd vibes. Yeah, okay, he would give
me Lloyd vibes.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
And that Jalen Wright was in the fourth.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
See, I really liked Lloyd. Now you're really messing me up.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And then there was that run of like I believe
Davis Grindo in the fourth he went to Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Didn't he? After Dallas picked and I was like, damn, yeah,
what are we doing here? You know kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, great, conversation. I love it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
When we come back, we're gonna talk wide receivers. I'm
gonna hear some of the names that are at the
top of this draft that we haven't done a scouting
report on, because wide receiver is a hot button topic,
especially if your new head coach is an offensive minded
head coach.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
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Speaker 5 (45:09):
Glad you're with us. I want to talk wide receivers
with Cowboys sitting at twelve and of course with an
elite wide receiver on the roster, but not a whole
lot else out there for the Cowboys this season. Wide
receiver is a hot button topic at the twelfth overall.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Pick for Dallas fans out there. We've mentioned a lot
of names already. We've mentioned TEDAROA McMillan from Arizona. We've
mentioned Luther Burden from.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Missouri, Amika Abuka from Ohio State. Lots of possibilities here.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I want to hit some of the names that maybe
we haven't had the opportunity to dive in on yet,
and feel.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Free to add names. Can I ask you a question
on this on your on your path? Sure? Can you
put a caveat on that? Give me somebody you would
pair with CD? With CD lamb.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
So this is give me in the war room.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Yeah, give me give me somebody that listened. We're probably
looking at our second wide receiver here, probably looking at
an X. You guys got an your mind on sacks
because I mean, we got a lot of guys that
could play the X and the playing the slot and
all that. Hell, Iowa stayed throws Higgins in the slot
a lot. But can is anybody got an X that
they're falling in love.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
With I mean at twelve, if he falls.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Maybe at forty four, give me, give me, give me
a guy at forty four, later forty four that you
might you've got it? Do you have any exes that
we talked about?

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Falling in love is tough because all the players that
I fall in love with move around all over the formation,
just like Ceedee Lamb. They're probably best in the slides,
just like CD Lamb. But we've already mentioned them kind
of sort of. But save you On Williams TCU, you know,
big body guy. Yeah, they can say that he has
some catch issues, but what the hell is coaching for?

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Man?

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Teach that do how to concentrate catch? But I think
what makes him pair with Lamb is that they're both
yet guys. So if there's ever a way that all right,
we're just going to take Lamb out the game, and
we don't want him doing yack stuff and make him
hard to tackle. Cool save young big ass over there
is also hard to tackle, and hey, you can do
some creative fun things with some type of turping save
the CD LAMB you know movement type you know type things.

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And just because save On is your ex guy, because
he's built that way. He's also a dude that can
line up in the slat or line up in the
backfield and do weird things like that. Assume that our
new coach or our new offense coordinator, can you know,
creatively use a guy like that. But I think if
you could just full time make him X guy and
move him sometimes, I think he'll pair with with lamb
will Did.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
You say Trey Harris? Trey Harris on this Okay, there
you go talk about that man.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
I said he's the best exit in the class behind
tm Mac.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
I't.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
I haven't watched Williams from TCU yet, but I've heard
a lot of murmurs about the dropping loves and the
Quinton Johnston past. Kind of Oh no, deters me a
little bit, not saying that he's Quentin Johnson at all.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
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Speaker 5 (47:43):
Understand, I understand. Don't say rigor either.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
That's another way, Josh Johnson damning in fort Worth.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
You got to turn it around. Felt it's a good
looking player, though.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Yeah, I thought he's unbelievable in fifty to fifty ball
watching some of the games. Sorry, Brian, but la oh No, absolutely,
Texas A and M absolutely were the two games that
I watched. Really good frame and athleticism. He can go
up and fight for any ball. I thought he was
really well adjusting mid air, strong hands to bring the
ball in. He's criticized for not having great bursts yah
the line. I thought he had some pretty solid bursts

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and I thought he moved well with the line of
scrimmage getting out of his brakes. But I'll still need
to see some more ropes him doing that. Not the
greatest top end speed, but he's got some long strides
and so I think that can develop into breaking away
a little bit more. I think he gets the job done.
And then when you watch him as a run blocker
old this is an offense where lane Kiffin tries to
get the ball out quickly, whether it be in the

(48:38):
screen game or just getting it to their playmakers in space.
I thought he was an aggressive run blocker down the field.
So there's a lot to.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Like with Trey Harris, especially with the six foot three frame.
I thought.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
The note that I have is he has some of
the best hands in the class. Yeah, he can high
point the football, He's able to take contact with the
frame and roll with it as well.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
He's a great deep ball threat, nearly eighteen yards over
his career, not in one season, eighteen yards per catching
his career.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
They utilized him quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
He could be the next in a long list of
Louisiana caliber tight ends. I mean, Cede Lamb came from Louisiana,
Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Brian Thomas Junior, He's right there
in that same mix.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
He had a thousand yards in eight games.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Where do you guys have to take.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Forty four?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
What do you think he's there at forty four?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
If he's there, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I don't know if he's going to be there. I
don't think I would take him at twelve. No, No,
he would be a perfect I would do a cartwheel
if he's there at forty four.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Is there, guys? You have at forty four better than him.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
At that point?

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Now, Matthew Golden Texas.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Cold tell me about him?

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Oh my god, I understand that I have Texas bias,
but this kid's incredibly even dating back to his days
at Houston Klin Kane High School in the Houston area,
I thought coming out of high school he's a four
star prospect. I thought he should have been in the SEC.
I don't know how Houston got him, but that was fantastic.
His cuts and just incredible. He just glides all over
the place. I think he's great out of his breaks,

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you know, great at the line of scrimmage and able
to beat DB's very quickly. I thought towards the end
of the year he really showed that he really showed
his ball skills as well on the outside. I didn't
think that that would be as showcase, but watching against
Georgia in the SEC Championship game, there were a couple
of balls he had down the sideline where he's just
making incredible adjustment. Spit there to go back and get him.

(50:31):
Really good hands, one of the better hands in the class,
finds ways to win even with perfect coverage. I mentioned
that SEC Championship game against Georgia, and then he can
add the ability to as a return specialist. I think
he had two returns for a touchdown in his last
season at Houston, and he played back there for Texas.
They didn't kick the ball to him very much. But
I really like Matthew Golden.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
Let me just say what I love about wide receivers
like that is, when you watch a lot of yours,
like in passing, you go, all right, yours is cool.
But when you watch Golden and you see some of
the passes that he has to catch, you go.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
Damn, well, why why you was putting the ball all
over the place?

Speaker 6 (51:06):
But Golden catches everything high, low, way in front of
behind him. Arizona State in the playoff game took that
game over and it feels.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Like, say, tight end. When you watch him, he's making
all kinds of crazy ass catches.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
It feels like they they took a while to get
him going, but once he got going, he would just
tear everything up. I loved I got him as a
first rounder and I know I'm probably I'm probably minority there.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Yes, and you've got what twelve first round grades?

Speaker 6 (51:34):
I ain't got a lot. I got twelve, Yes, sir,
I got twelve. So I got him in the one,
and I just I just love how it's just small.
He was very purposeful with his rival run. I thought
he was slow at first, but oh, you're just changed
the tempo to set people up. You know what I'm saying.
I think that's a valuable big boy. Wide receiver tread
so I got him at the one man.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
I'm with you, Yeah, first round grade on Here's the
thing I think with Texas this year, I think they.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Were trying to that you're in the same boat with this.
I probleise I'm not.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Talking wins, all right, all right, all right, yeah, there
you go, thanks Bamber. Isaiah Bond was kind of like, Okay,
let's try and get him the ball, and this is
our guy. And then he kind of has a shaky
start to the year and he goes down with the injury,
and then you look at Gold and then it's like, oh, okay,
so he's probably our best receiver out here. Let's try
and get him the ball. And towards the end of

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the year, like you mentioned, I mean, he just he
just took over that fourth and thirteen against Arizona State,
just a nasty route to get open in the back
of the end zone. And then even against Ohio State,
he got hurt early in that first half, but he
comes back and I think his first play he makes
a diving catch on an out route right around the sidelines.
So yeah, I have a first round grade on him.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I think he's fantastic and I interest anybody in Besh
from TCU.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, we brought him up a little bit last week.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Okay, can I interest anyboy anybody seeing Higgins? We talked
about him going against.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
He's gonna be one of my guys. I talked about it.
If you don't mind, go for it. No, go for
previous school Eastern Kentucky ball down the SCS ended up
getting getting transferred to Iowa State.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
You talk about fifty to fifty.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Ball, one of the best in the country.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
You talk about long speed too, those long strides he
has at six foot five, I mean, this kid is
six four and fifteen pounds. He's gonna be at seener
Bol next week. I think this time next week, we're
gonna have a much different perspective on Jayson Higgins. I
think as a whole, I think he's gonna blow up
next week. And I think this is a second round
talent I do now that you talk about Okay, if
Trey Harris is not there at forty four, yeah, I

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think this might be a guy that you look at
at forty four eventually.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Yeah, is Stanford wide receiver. We talked about him at all, Eric, Eric.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
What's fascinating about him. Is he absolutely destroyed Travis Hunter
second half of a game in oliterated him. The production
is good aside from that, But I wonder how much
we value him if we just take that game out.
I know we can't take the game out because it's
very valuable because it's up against you know, generational talent

(53:56):
we talked about in the first segment. But if you
take that game out, where do you stack where do
you stack him up?

Speaker 7 (54:01):
And I don't.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
I don't have an answer for that. It's really tough.
It's really tough for me. He's also questions about him.
He's another senior Bowl guy. He's another guy that hasn't
had the luxury of a quarterback throughout his time at Stanford. Sure,
so you know how much do you value that too?
But I like the kid.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
He's a young cat, right, he's coming out as like
what a Redhords.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
He's a Canadian kid too, by the way, didn't play
he had to come down here to play high school football.
But this guy's got the straight line speed and I
think he can track the ball. And you mentioned about
the thing if you could watch him play against Travis Hunter,
that Stanford was dead in the water. And they made
one of the most miraculous comeback She'll ever imagine it.
And and our guy he was taking the ball off

(54:39):
the top of Hunter's head to tie the game. He
had a one handed catchers. Watching the Syracuse game, he
had a one handed catch for a touchdown by high
point in the ball against Syracuse. I mean, he fights
the defender down the field. I mean when I was
talking about X receivers, this is a guy I was
thinking about at six two two ten, you know, I mean,

(55:00):
route running and all that. He hasn't benefited from a
quarterback that's been any good. You know, it's but I
tell you what, man, this guy he's made the most
of the opportunities he's had with the ball being all
over the place to him. So I was kind of
thinking I have him in the second round. He reminded me.
We all remember, and maybe it's a poor compared Brendan

(55:21):
Rice when he was at USC. When we watched Brendan Rice,
and it seemed like Williams was kind of throwing the
ball and he was having to make catches all over
the place and stuff like that. This kid reminded me
a little bit of Brendan Rice. Who's now with the
with the chargers that way, elick io manor Iron manner.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I know we're having conversations about x's, but I think
the overall conversation is.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Just wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
So would you pair with CD lamb Yeah? And if
you're looking for a robin in this class, yeah, you
knows a CD's batman. You look at him, Mecha Muka
and throughout his four seasons at Ohio State has never
been the leading receiver, never has never been the leading
reception grabber. He comes in as a robin, and he
comes in as a robin, right, and the Ohio State
career receptions leader is now a Meccha Buka. You think

(56:05):
about all the guys that have gone through there. Yeah,
granted there's a lot of guys that have only been
there three years, but you think about all the receivers
that they've had. He has been a robin throughout his
career at Ohio State. I think he's a fascinating one.
And I think if you want two chess pieces, you're
talking about, Okay, two CD labs, it's not bad to have.
I guess you that bring brings up that idea. I
think this would be an idea of that. I think
this guy can play anywhere.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
Where did you put him second round forty four?

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I have a second round grade on him. But if
they were to pooka that, yeah, he's a one on
my book, I take him at twelve. You wouldn't get
an argument from No. Yeah at twelve, Yeah, he wouldn't
get an argument.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Why did you have a first round grade on him?

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Because he's a damn good player, And you're right, I
must stinch. No, No, I mean hey, and I I
could say I've got three wide receivers in the first round.
But this guy, he is so competitive. He's aggressive with
the run after catch. He could break tackles. He's got
body strength, he's got power. He's a versatile weapon. You
can use my jet, sweet pop pass, smooth route runner.

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He's a discipline with his cuts, the best routes. He
runs those ones across the field. He gets a job,
a great job of catching the ball on the move,
turning up the field. He makes plays on all levels
of the defense. He's quick, he's athletic. He gets a
top speed really quickly. The long arms allows him to
play much larger than he is. Uh, you know, I

(57:21):
think that there's you know, there's some some things you're
gonna have to work on him with the consistency getting
off the line on the outside, but man, he could
track it. There's so many great things about this guy
that you have to really really appreciate about his game. Uh,
you know, there's been some drops in his day, but
I'll tell you what, He's playing a ton of big
games of his career. He's very driven. He's serious athlete,

(57:43):
and I mean I think this kid really really gets it.
Listening to him talk, Yeah, lots of good points across
the board. Anybody else when anyone wants to bring up
we got have you guys seen have you seen have
you seen royals from Utah State? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (57:55):
Somebody asked him.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
He's one I want to just because the right Let's.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Let circle back on Royals. He's a wide receiver from
Utah State. Yeah, I'm sure watching. I'll probably talk about
him sometime nighttime, but we'll talk about him too here
as well.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Just two quick names I could throw out. I mean
I'm super quick. I know I've mentioned Nick Nash out
of San Jose State. Yeah, he led the nation and
receptions and receiving yards in twenty two four, six foot,
three hundred and ninety five pounds. I think he's a
little slender. He could add some weight, but I think
he could be an X option. And uh, we don't
talk about the Hula Bowl a whole lot, but it's
a it's an all star game. Used to, yeah, used
to is to watch a lot of table that has

(58:31):
allowed a lot of guys to pop in recent years.
Rock Taylor out of Memphis six foot three, two hundred
and fifteen pounds. He blew everyone away in Orlando at
the Hula Bowl. So yeah, not Hawaii Orland.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
And tell you about Rock Taylor from Memphis, from my
American dame in the American Athletic Conference.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
He's fun.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
I had a good player, yeah, play good football quarterback.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Is going to be down in the Senior Bowl. Seth
In Agan late add to the Senior Bowl roster sound
product dat Ryan. Yeah, absolutely, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
That does it for us here on the Draft Show.
Appreciates you all taking some time and listening with the
US this week. We'll be back on Tuesday, eleven am
Central Time to break it all down for you.

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then we fly out on Monday to have Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday as a part of the Senior Bowl before the
Shrine Bowl Thursday night.

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