August 16, 2025 • 27 mins
Daniel Kobryner spent 35 years in international sales before answering a deeper calling. In this episode, he shares his journey from business executive to life coach, speaker, and spiritual guide. Daniel discusses his Mindvalley certification, embracing universal energy, and how unlocking childhood patterns can lead to powerful transformation. If you're curious about spiritual coaching, authenticity, and how to follow your purpose later in life, this conversation will resonate deeply.
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Welcome once again to the guywho knows The Guy podcast.
I'm your host, Michael Whitehouse, theguy who knows the guy, and this is the Pot
Appalooza series, and I am interviewingin our, this episode, Daniel Rener, and
I'm very excited for this one becauseone of the great things about pot
Appalooza is that sometimes they justsay, Hey, here's who you're interviewing.
This is his name.
Have fun.
(00:22):
So I do know that Daniel is a lifecoach and talks about spirituality
and such topics, which aredefinitely topics of interest to
me, but I don't know a lot else.
So we are going to meet Danieltogether, audience, you and me.
So Daniel, tell me alittle bit about yourself.
Well, first of all, Michael, thank youvery much for having me on your show.
(00:43):
It's really an honor for me.
And, uh, so I'm French.
I live in London, and, uh.
So I was active for 35 Euros ininternational sales and, uh, management.
I lived in different countries.
In Germany.
In Belgium, the UK I run companies.
And um, you know, during thepandemic we were in lockdown here
(01:05):
in London, everything was closed.
And uh, I had the opportunity tolisten to people talking online
about personal development.
Mm-hmm.
Life coaches, business coaches, healers.
Astrologist, and a lot ofthis was very new to me.
That, and first of all, I, I realizedthat, you know, when I listened to
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coaches talking, I realized that Ihad coached people all my life mm-hmm.
Without putting a label on that,you see, I, I always wanted people
to get the best out of themselves.
I always wanted to empowerpeople, you know, to, to, to
motivate, to uplift and Okay.
And right.
So, and then, so.
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I then decided is I, I said, okay,actually, this is really what I
want to do for the rest of my life.
You know, now I'm going to concentrateon just coaching people, helping people.
And again, it's somethingwhich is above myself.
It's not like for money on, I doit because I really enjoy this and
I think I'm, I'm, I'm here on thisplanet to do that in a way, you know,
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it's like, but this is now my newpart, Michael, is that during these
sessions I met some people who were.
Which I would call little spiritual.
Mm-hmm.
I was brought up in a very, Imean, non-religious environment,
very down to earth, et so I didn'thave a lot, you know, I mean, I.
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I was not used to a lot of things.
And when people started talking aboutthe universe, about, you know, the,
uh, the law of attraction about thequantum field, about the, uh, karma and,
uh, all energy healing, this was new,but actually it kind of talked to me.
(02:51):
Mm-hmm.
And then I, I starting kind ofembracing, wanting to do more and really.
There's a new part of me which opened up.
Yeah, I, yeah, I, I love that,that story about discovering, you
know, coming across it as you go.
Um, 'cause I also got into coaching in2020, although I knew what coaching was.
(03:13):
I wanted to be a coach for a long time.
I just didn't know where or how whatever.
And in 2020, the opportunity.
Sort of tripped over me.
I tripped over it and stumbled into it.
But, but yeah, a lot of that stuff,you know, that spiritual stuff,
that woo stuff, I, I'd heard aboutit, but, eh, a lot of attraction.
Yeah.
What is that?
And then, as I described to someone, I metway too many millionaires to not believe
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in what they believe in, you know, peoplewho had, who had gotten concrete results.
Uh, and then.
When I started putting it into practicemy own life, I started seeing it working.
I'm like, Hey, there's something to this.
It's not, yeah, it, it's not necessarilyvisible, like, you know, like the rain,
(03:57):
but you know, you can't see the windeither, but you can see the effect it has.
And the more I got into it, the more I'mlike, no, this, this is really a thing.
There's, there's something going on here.
So.
I, I love that story about, you know, asyou encounter more and more people talking
about it, I think that's also when you getaway from the people who are abusing it.
You know, take my $15,000manifestation course and I will
(04:20):
magically attract everything toyour, you know, when it's people who
are just honestly in conversation.
Yeah, I do this thing, itworks really well for me.
Um, here's how I do it.
You can do it too.
That's when you start todiscover like what's really
all, what it's really all about.
Absolutely.
Even you see, even before thatmanifestation, I didn't even know that.
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I remember the first time I listenedto people talking about this.
I said, what's this?
Mm-hmm.
But you see now in a way, you know,in this journey, and again, it's,
you know, it's what I learned themost, uh, Michael, is to become
a, again, who I, who I truly are.
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Truly am, you know, it'sbeing really my, okay.
I had been quite a lot authentic, but yousee, I, I put it to a another level, in
a way, started realizing that, you knowwhat others think it's their problem.
It's not mine.
I mean, it's really not being, youknow, judging myself through the eyes
(05:23):
of others, not trying to get validation,you know, just realizing that.
All the power we havein ourselves, you know?
Yeah.
And it's just a matter of sometimesthrough our childhood, particularly
the first seven years, you know,where we've got so-called childhood
experiences, trauma, emotions,basically we learn everything.
Mm-hmm.
(05:43):
I mean, a lot of, you know, the, ourprogramming is done during this first
seven years of our lives, and it comes.
Nearly automatically becausethe brain of a child works
at that, the theta brainwave.
So basically we take everything, youknow, it's getting it printed in our
brain and we take it without filter.
So this is our truth.
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So for instance, you know, when we, if wesee, imagine our parents arguing, right?
Okay, well this is how it is.
We learn how to react and afterwardswe are going to look for partners
who have the same patterns.
Is it good for.
We do it because it's safe.
So you see, I learned a lot ofthings about the brain and how
it works and, and, and how weare conditioned by our childhood.
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But as well that everything ev changeis possible at any time in life.
Mm-hmm.
This is, this was my biggest teaching.
So how did you get into,
did get into coaching because youdon't just say, I'm gonna be a
coach and start coaching people.
Did you, did you take a course?
Did you find a mentor?
Yes.
No, no, exactly.
First I started listening to, youknow, to people first, first thing
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I did is I got myself a coach.
Okay.
Right.
Of course.
Because it's a, for a lot ofmonths I, I still work with
coaches and mentors, you know?
Mm-hmm.
It's a, it's, it's a, and bydoing this, I realized, you
know, some of my blind spots.
Obviously a bright spot.
By the definition, you don't see it.
Yep.
You don't see it yourself.
So again, I, I made alot of work on myself.
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I was in a group of different peopleand all of us evolved tremendously.
So it was like, wow, that's thebest investment I've done because
of first when you do it, youthink, Hmm, spend money for myself.
Why, you know, and then, but yourealize that actually what you are
getting, it's, it's new transformation.
So this was the first thing, andafterwards, what I did as well
(07:37):
is I thought, yeah, you know, I,I need to have some, you know, I
really want to have some good basis.
So I decided to take acertification with Mindvalley.
Okay.
No.
So I become, you know, it was, uh,I think four months and I became
a certified Mindvalley life coach.
Okay.
Then how did you turnthat into a, a practice?
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How did you start finding clients and,
okay.
I mean, first, I mean, first, and Ihave to say, I'm still at the start
of my business, Michael, right?
Mm-hmm.
It's not, you know, so, so firstI, uh, I, I started finding,
you know, pro bono mm-hmm.
Clients.
Because obviously you need them as wellfor, you know, you need to have a certain
(08:21):
number of hours for the certification.
Yeah.
And, and afterwards this was like,you know, some of them turned
into paid clients and aft veryoften it's word of mouth as well.
Mm-hmm.
You know, people and, uh, but nowI'm really in the process of, of, of.
Expanding this business.
I, I only launched mywebsite I think a month ago.
Okay.
(08:41):
And, you know, where, where I've gotmy programs and, uh, I built, uh,
you know, a sales funnel as well.
So, mm-hmm.
I'm, I'm getting into, uh, thistechnicalities and one thing I
did, which is what's very newto me, is becoming more visible.
Yeah,
because you know, I, I have tosay before I was not on social
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media, you know, Facebook, I wasnever, you know, never interested.
I mean, in kind of showing myselfor even looking at other people's
stories, it's not me, you know?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it is like, right, this whoI am, but now when somebody said to
me, you see Daniel, you've got to.
I mean, it's important to be visibleand it's not about, you know, you,
(09:24):
but it's really about your message.
Yeah.
That, you know, if you talk to peopleand you, and, uh, people might resonate
with you and then, you know, mightwant to, to, to, to work with you.
So, and you see in Instagram, uh, theysaid, okay, Instagram is the best.
So I thought, okay, but I still wantto do something which brings value.
(09:44):
So my first reels, they were about.
Each of them was abouta particular subject.
For instance, the first one I remember,it was like, life is a decision.
Life.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, sorry.
Happiness is a decision.
Yep.
Happiness is coming from within.
Or why should we embraceemotional intelligence?
Why should we embrace feedback?
(10:06):
Why?
You see, uh, every time Itry to find something where.
Basically when people listen to it,they can learn something, you know?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, learn, uh, if theycome or not, it doesn't matter.
It's really, it's about helping people andit's why I decided as well to, to become
a podcast host, which is very recent.
(10:26):
Yeah.
And to go into motivational speakingbecause I really, I like to do that.
I like to uplift people.
That's great.
Yeah.
And, and podcasts are, are a reallygreat way, especially for someone
who's new in business to learn.
So this is.
I dunno what episode, this will be230 or something, but my episodes, I
think around 60 to 110 were, that wholeseason was interviewing people who were
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successful in business when I was not yet.
And just basicallysaying, how'd you do it?
And just having a wholeparade of people tell me.
And now if I'd call these peopleup and be like, Hey, can I
pick your brain for 40 minutes?
They'd be like, oh no.
Or sure gimme a thousand dollars.
But because I invite them on a podcastas a guest, they tell me everything
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because it's, you know, it's for exposure.
So I got basically free coachingcalls with these seven figure business
owners, um, one after another, afteranother, after another for free, for
the low, low price of having a podcast.
And the really cool thing is whenyou invite someone to be on your
podcast, most people say yes.
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If you don't over, if you don'tovercomplicate, if you're like, Hey,
you wanna be on a podcast, cool.
Here's the link to bookeverything you need on that link.
Just fill that out and we'll talk then.
And you'll be amazed.
We'll say yes when you're like,Hey, you wanna get on the podcast?
Sure.
I mean, you know, TonyRobbins won't, Gary V won't.
But other than that, any, anycoach you meet in any sort of
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event, they'll be like, yeah, sure.
I'll get on your podcast.
Why not?
Absolutely.
And actually, you know, I I, I literallystarted last week, you know, but I had
already four interviews and uh Yep.
One is already published and, and Ihad somebody coming to me, he is a
coach, and he says, oh, can, can, andof, of course I describe, you know,
(12:17):
myself quickly, but he says, yeah,I'd love to come on, on your podcast.
And I had a short interview.
It was great.
Mm-hmm.
So I, I resonate.
Thank you so much, Michael, becauseit's, it gives me a lot of encouragement.
You see.
Me, it's as well about, it'sabout having a great conversation.
Yeah.
It's about, it's not like, uh, I mean,I wouldn't do it just to get something.
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It's just really to, to see and, and to,it's really for our listeners as well.
What, what can they get?
How can they be inspired?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And that's, um, Phil Pcha describes apodcast as a good podcast is like you're
sitting at the end of a table wheretwo people are having a conversation.
Just listing another conversation.
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And that's, that's whatpeople want to hear.
And then, you know, they wannalearn something, they wanna
get something from it, but itdoesn't have to be anything fancy.
You know, these days, zoom, I, when Ifirst started, I used, um, there, there
was software that would record locallyand then upload that recording because it
would deal with the, the zoom glitches.
But now Zoom is so reliable andthe noise cancellation is so good
(13:22):
that you can just do it on Zoom.
It's super easy.
The post-production is super simple.
And, um, and it's just, it's such a, andI think actually even the volume balancing
Zoom gets that pretty good now too.
Um, but I, I set my settings a longtime ago that are, it saves two separate
audio files so I can balance it.
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I think, I think I said it that way,but um, but yeah, it was amazing just
how easy it is to do and it's such agreat networking tool because if you
reach out to someone and say, Hey, I'dlike to get on a call and, you know,
see how we could work together, eh, Iknow I don't wanna get to know you call.
Hey, I'd love to haveyou come on my podcast.
Sure.
Same conversation.
You have the same conversation, a podcastinterview or a networking call, except
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they'll give you an hour for the podcast,um, of which 35 minutes is the interview,
and 25 minutes is the networkingcall, and they would barely give you
30 minutes for the networking call.
So yeah, podcast is such a great assetfor someone who's getting started.
So it's really smart you're doing that.
And that's, um, absolutely,
and you see really, youmeet amazing people.
I mean, afterwards, it's.
(14:26):
You know, I mean, today, I mean,I had somebody very spirituality
person who, who, she's a coach, butshe, I, it was not even, not, uh,
Paula as something else, but mm-hmm.
And it was, you know, talkingme about, you know, spirits and
all souls and, and, and psychicexperiences and you think, wow.
You know, so again, I'm, I'mlearning a lot, you know,
(14:46):
this is, this is fascinating.
And, and you know, Michael, I dunnoif you resonate with this one, but
if we, if we speak now together.
It's not a coincidence.
Mm-hmm.
You know, everything happens for a reason.
This is my, my new me talking, you know?
Uh,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
There there's, there's a poem calledDesert that, uh, the key part, I
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can't remember if it's the beginningor not, but that the universe is
unfolding precisely the way itshould, um, that everything happens.
So I actually, and, and so somethingI used to do, and you're welcome to
steal this idea, is I had a podcast thatI called the Power Launch Live Show.
I use Streamy Yard.
Um, although StreamyYard's prices have shut up.
So you might use Restream now.
(15:29):
And I would bring onfour guests at a time.
So I had a, uh, Google, uh, Google formand people would fill out, you know, name,
email, address, bio, what they wanna talkabout, and what Friday they're available.
'cause it's always thesame, same time of the week.
Okay.
Um, and then I would just grabthe first four people who said
they were available on a day,and that's who goes on that show.
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And I did that for.
About 65 weeks.
Um, and I would say that the show wasproduced by serendipity in a random
happenstance because I made no effortto put the right people on the show
together because the universe coulddo a better guest lineup than I could.
And what I found was I'd get onthese, I would find similarities
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between the different guests.
So we do it for an hour and then I giveeach one like a three minute spot to talk
about their topic, and then we just kindof open up the conversation to whatever.
And people would everytime be like, wow, why?
How'd you put us together?
How'd you know we neededto be on the same show?
And I was like, I didn't even knowwho was gonna be on this show.
I showed up.
(16:33):
I mean, I, I, I was the one whosent out the emails and whatnot,
but I didn't really pay attention.
Um, I cut and paste a bunch ofthings into the emails and said,
Hey, you're gonna be on this date.
I showed up, I saw who was in my room.
I interviewed them and myproducers, the universe.
The divine power, whatever itis, it's absolutely the universe.
Yeah.
Like the white people on that show.
And it was, and, and it's, it's funnybecause I stopped doing it when the
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universe basically said we're done.
Because for a while I wasbooking out six weeks.
Everyone wanted to be on it constantly.
And then one day, like a lightswitch, they stopped signing up.
And I'm like, guess we're done.
You know, you listen to, listen tothat intuition, listen to that, uh.
That universe we're done.
But it, it was such a great opportunity.
I, I think I had 140 people onthat show over the course of
(17:19):
the, the time that I did it.
And I made so many connections.
I made, you know, found jointventure partners, I found
people whose book on my summits.
I found, you know, all kinds of people.
I was able to get on there andit was, it was, um, such a,
and it was so easy to do too.
'cause I'd go into a networking roomand I'd say, Hey, I have this thing
called the Power Launch Live show.
If you wanna come onit, fill out this form.
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I had to drop the form in the chat.
And seven people wouldsign up for various times.
I wasn't chasing people down.
I wasn't saying, Hey, whatdate are you gonna be there?
Somebody?
No-show.
The no-show.
They're, they're not meant to be there.
So I didn't even worry about followup with people who didn't show up.
I was like, eh, whatever.
Guess we got three people this week.
So it was, it was a, you know, greatexperience and great way to meet a lot
of people and learn from a lot of people.
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And I never knew what we were gonnabe talking about on that show.
We had so many different things fromfairies and, uh, you know, other
universes to I. Financial and taxstrategies to, to marketing, to, you
know, health stuff, to everything.
It was, it was a fascinating experience,
but it's, and you know,I resonate so much.
(18:21):
Thank you for sharing.
I mean, it's such a wonderfulexperience, uh, Michael, and you see
really now this, this is my vocabulary.
Um, every day universe has my back.
You know, things happen andsometimes I know what I'd like to do.
But the how, how it happens now.
You know, before I would've,it, it would've been control.
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I would've chased, I would've done all thethings, you know, I was an overthinker.
I was a perfectionist.
Now finished.
Know what?
Yeah, okay, I'm going there.
I'm taking the first step.
I trust the process and I trustthe universe, and you know
what things are happening.
You are talking about serendipities,again, a term I didn't know
before, and now not only I'm usingit, but I'm using it as well.
(19:06):
Synchronicities, Uhhuh,so many things happening.
I'm thinking of something andthen, oh, somebody talks about
this, and then I read an article.
It's like, okay, you see my secret?
Now it's practicing gratitude.
I'm grateful and I say, youknow, the number of the times a
day, I say, thank you, you know?
(19:27):
Thank you universe.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
I'm just smiling and this is it.
Things are happening and even, youknow what, what you said for you, you
know, when you said it stopped to givetime, it's a universe telling you,
Michael, no, I've got something better.
Yeah.
You know, for you, you know,whatever it is, you know?
(19:48):
Mm-hmm.
It could be different things.
It's like right.
Let's go to the next step, you see?
Yeah.
It's really how do we look at things?
Mm-hmm.
And when we look at every, everyevent in our life and instead of
thinking, oh, it's a challenge.
Difficult, I can't do this.
Okay.
If you ask yourself, why is it,why is it happening in my movie?
(20:11):
Oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
This is to teach me something.
This person is thereto teach me something.
Yep.
Right.
We embrace this.
And really we, we go with this mindsetvery often we see that, oh wow, yeah.
This is the door for something else.
Yeah.
Just having the trust thateverything's happening for our good.
(20:31):
Mm-hmm.
And when we really followour path, miracle Simple.
So now just enjoying miracles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and the yeah.
And the gratitude thingis, is so powerful.
I, um, the.
There's a method that I was taught, whichis that you write down, um, I think I did.
I don't remember if I did 10 or 20.
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I did 10 or 20 things everyday that you're grateful for,
but you can't repeat them.
So, day one's pretty easy.
I'm grateful for my home, and the streetsare safe, and I'm healthy to day two,
you, you gotta go a little bit deeper.
Day three, you're like really digging in.
And by day four, you're,you're teasing it apart.
You're like, I am grateful forpepperoni pizza and mushroom pizza.
And like, just to, to reallydive in to get those things.
(21:16):
Um, but once you get to that point, thenyou really start to, to develop the habit.
And so when my car gottotaled the other day.
You know, someone clobbered my car.
My initial, you know, I, mytrained response was, I'm grateful.
No one's hurt.
I'm grateful.
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I'm in a financial positionwhere this is not a disaster.
I'm grateful, um, that I.This happened in a place where
help was able to come quickly.
I'm grateful that I have a wifethat I can call to pick me up.
And so I immediately went toall of the good things there.
Absolute.
Absolutely.
Um, instead of the like,oh, this ruins everything.
And, and it was also, it wassomewhat clear to me what message
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God was trying to send that paid me.
He'd been sending more subtlybefore he had to hit me with a car.
But, um, but it was, you know, whatam I, what lesson am I meant to hear?
And then also, what are the good things?
So instead of that, like.
So I didn't get angry.
The other driver, um, althoughthere's some dispute is who falls.
Um, but you know, I didn't get angry.
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The other driver, I didn't get angry.
The situation is like, this is whatis, let's deal with it, move forward.
Um, 'cause you know, getting angryis not productive in that situation.
Um, that exactly.
And,
and, and you see, when we get angry, theonly person we penalize is ourselves.
Yeah.
And it dries our emotions down.
Mm-hmm.
(22:38):
You know, so.
I,
I think that, I think there's,there's times, one thing I am
finding is there's times when it'svaluable to be righteously angry.
Um, and it's also okay, youknow, something happens like when
technology doesn't work, I willsometimes yell at it very loudly.
And I used to be like,no, I shouldn't be angry.
I need to maintain po.
And what I realized was that this energydidn't, it just goes back in and stays.
(23:04):
Yeah.
So, you know, yelling at a computersometimes is a nice cathartic release.
If the computer doesn't care, ifI yell at it, doesn't bother it.
Maybe someone outside the windowis like, what's he yelling at?
But, you know, it doesn't hurt anyone.
I'm not, you know, andit, it lets that out.
And there's definitely times whereI find it, it can be useful to
when someone is doing somethingthat needs to be forcefully
(23:27):
addressed, shall we say, um mm-hmm.
You know, criticizing thingsin the industry or whatnot.
There's, there's a, a use for that.
But in, in, you know, there'sa car accident, there's no
use in getting angry at.
The cops or the other driver or the, like,there's nothing to get angry out there.
It is what it is.
We're dealing with it and, and,you know, to, to manage that energy
is a really, really key thing.
(23:48):
So.
Absolutely.
And see even, you know, and what yousaid, even, you know, when people
criticize you, for instance, uh mm-hmm.
My, one of the biggest tool Ilearned and really, which I apply
every day, is to apply the same,don't take things personally.
Yeah.
Don't things.
It, you know, comes from a book,you know, the four agreements?
(24:09):
Yep.
Perhaps you read it and, and you seefirst thing I thought, what's this?
You know?
Oh, somebody says something.
No, it's, it's got nothing to do with us.
Mm-hmm.
It's the person reflecting on youor the outside work for better.
You know, their own insecurities,their fears, their childhood
trauma, but it's not you.
It's not.
And when you realize that.
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The fact is not going to change.
The person is still going to criticize,but what we make of that changes.
We said, it's your problem.
It's
not, it's a them problem,not a me problem.
Yeah.
I'm awesome.
If you don't like me,that's a you problem.
Exactly.
That you know, this is, and,and when we start, like not
reacting, people are very puzzled.
Yeah.
And then eventually they're going tochange because they see that, you know, if
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they try to trigger you, it's not working.
So.
So, but at least it's their thing.
Yeah.
Again, what we make of the world.
This is our choice.
This is really, yeah.
Uh,
powerful, I think.
Absolutely.
So it looks like we are comingto the end of our polooza spot
here in the pot auditorium.
Yes.
So if people want to connectwith you, how can they do that?
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Well, you know, there's mywebsite now, which is www.
Dot com And, uh, I will, II will leave you as well.
Uh, you know, the details of, um,of my, I've got Instagram, I've
got, uh, I'm available on LinkedIn.
Okay.
And now that in the
show notes.
Of course.
Yeah.
(25:37):
It, it, it'll be in the show notes.
Yes, exactly.
And thank you so much for your, your time.
It was such a, such anice, easy flowing Yes.
Conversation, Michael, like,as you say, on the same table,
just having a chat.
This is, yeah.
Really what's nice, it's great tohave you on here because, um, in, in
my mind, all coaching should have aFrench accent because the original,
(25:58):
uh, trainer who taught me thecoaching concepts was French, so Oh,
okay.
Yeah,
yeah.
He was living in Canada.
He, he was not French Canadian.
He was a French person living in Canada,which is different from French Canadian.
So,
yeah, no, of course.
I, I've been, I've been to, to Quebec.
Uh, are you, are youfrom Canada, yourself?
No, no, from,
uh, Connecticut.
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From Connecticut.
Yeah.
Yep.
But, uh, yeah, so, so I, I,um, and he had, he had quite a
bit heavier accent than you do.
So there there's, there's differentwords, like the way he said, words
like thoughts, um, which, which I hadto be like, like, what is he saying?
Sos Oh, thoughts.
He's saying thoughts.
Um, but yeah, so, so I, I'm used tolearning about coaching in a French
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accent, so, uh, so it was nostalgic.
So it was great to, greatto get to connect with you.
Yeah.
Well thank you very much and the pleasure.
It was great.
It was like my last interviewtoday and it's beautiful.
Great.
Thank you so much.
Welcome once again to the guywho knows The Guy podcast.
I'm your host, Michael Whitehouse, theguy who knows the guy, and this is the Pot
Appalooza series, and I am interviewingin our, this episode, Daniel Rener, and
I'm very excited for this one becauseone of the great things about pot
Appalooza is that sometimes they justsay, Hey, here's who you're interviewing.
This is his name.
Have fun.
(00:22):
So I do know that Daniel is a lifecoach and talks about spirituality
and such topics, which aredefinitely topics of interest to
me, but I don't know a lot else.
So we are going to meet Danieltogether, audience, you and me.
So Daniel, tell me alittle bit about yourself.
Well, first of all, Michael, thank youvery much for having me on your show.
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It's really an honor for me.
And, uh, so I'm French.
I live in London, and, uh.
So I was active for 35 Euros ininternational sales and, uh, management.
I lived in different countries.
In Germany.
In Belgium, the UK I run companies.
And um, you know, during thepandemic we were in lockdown here
(01:05):
in London, everything was closed.
And uh, I had the opportunity tolisten to people talking online
about personal development.
Mm-hmm.
Life coaches, business coaches, healers.
Astrologist, and a lot ofthis was very new to me.
That, and first of all, I, I realizedthat, you know, when I listened to
(01:27):
coaches talking, I realized that Ihad coached people all my life mm-hmm.
Without putting a label on that,you see, I, I always wanted people
to get the best out of themselves.
I always wanted to empowerpeople, you know, to, to, to
motivate, to uplift and Okay.
And right.
So, and then, so.
(01:48):
I then decided is I, I said, okay,actually, this is really what I
want to do for the rest of my life.
You know, now I'm going to concentrateon just coaching people, helping people.
And again, it's somethingwhich is above myself.
It's not like for money on, I doit because I really enjoy this and
I think I'm, I'm, I'm here on thisplanet to do that in a way, you know,
(02:08):
it's like, but this is now my newpart, Michael, is that during these
sessions I met some people who were.
Which I would call little spiritual.
Mm-hmm.
I was brought up in a very, Imean, non-religious environment,
very down to earth, et so I didn'thave a lot, you know, I mean, I.
(02:31):
I was not used to a lot of things.
And when people started talking aboutthe universe, about, you know, the,
uh, the law of attraction about thequantum field, about the, uh, karma and,
uh, all energy healing, this was new,but actually it kind of talked to me.
(02:51):
Mm-hmm.
And then I, I starting kind ofembracing, wanting to do more and really.
There's a new part of me which opened up.
Yeah, I, yeah, I, I love that,that story about discovering, you
know, coming across it as you go.
Um, 'cause I also got into coaching in2020, although I knew what coaching was.
(03:13):
I wanted to be a coach for a long time.
I just didn't know where or how whatever.
And in 2020, the opportunity.
Sort of tripped over me.
I tripped over it and stumbled into it.
But, but yeah, a lot of that stuff,you know, that spiritual stuff,
that woo stuff, I, I'd heard aboutit, but, eh, a lot of attraction.
Yeah.
What is that?
And then, as I described to someone, I metway too many millionaires to not believe
(03:36):
in what they believe in, you know, peoplewho had, who had gotten concrete results.
Uh, and then.
When I started putting it into practicemy own life, I started seeing it working.
I'm like, Hey, there's something to this.
It's not, yeah, it, it's not necessarilyvisible, like, you know, like the rain,
(03:57):
but you know, you can't see the windeither, but you can see the effect it has.
And the more I got into it, the more I'mlike, no, this, this is really a thing.
There's, there's something going on here.
So.
I, I love that story about, you know, asyou encounter more and more people talking
about it, I think that's also when you getaway from the people who are abusing it.
You know, take my $15,000manifestation course and I will
(04:20):
magically attract everything toyour, you know, when it's people who
are just honestly in conversation.
Yeah, I do this thing, itworks really well for me.
Um, here's how I do it.
You can do it too.
That's when you start todiscover like what's really
all, what it's really all about.
Absolutely.
Even you see, even before thatmanifestation, I didn't even know that.
(04:41):
I remember the first time I listenedto people talking about this.
I said, what's this?
Mm-hmm.
But you see now in a way, you know,in this journey, and again, it's,
you know, it's what I learned themost, uh, Michael, is to become
a, again, who I, who I truly are.
(05:01):
Truly am, you know, it'sbeing really my, okay.
I had been quite a lot authentic, but yousee, I, I put it to a another level, in
a way, started realizing that, you knowwhat others think it's their problem.
It's not mine.
I mean, it's really not being, youknow, judging myself through the eyes
(05:23):
of others, not trying to get validation,you know, just realizing that.
All the power we havein ourselves, you know?
Yeah.
And it's just a matter of sometimesthrough our childhood, particularly
the first seven years, you know,where we've got so-called childhood
experiences, trauma, emotions,basically we learn everything.
Mm-hmm.
(05:43):
I mean, a lot of, you know, the, ourprogramming is done during this first
seven years of our lives, and it comes.
Nearly automatically becausethe brain of a child works
at that, the theta brainwave.
So basically we take everything, youknow, it's getting it printed in our
brain and we take it without filter.
So this is our truth.
(06:05):
So for instance, you know, when we, if wesee, imagine our parents arguing, right?
Okay, well this is how it is.
We learn how to react and afterwardswe are going to look for partners
who have the same patterns.
Is it good for.
We do it because it's safe.
So you see, I learned a lot ofthings about the brain and how
it works and, and, and how weare conditioned by our childhood.
(06:30):
But as well that everything ev changeis possible at any time in life.
Mm-hmm.
This is, this was my biggest teaching.
So how did you get into,
did get into coaching because youdon't just say, I'm gonna be a
coach and start coaching people.
Did you, did you take a course?
Did you find a mentor?
Yes.
No, no, exactly.
First I started listening to, youknow, to people first, first thing
(06:53):
I did is I got myself a coach.
Okay.
Right.
Of course.
Because it's a, for a lot ofmonths I, I still work with
coaches and mentors, you know?
Mm-hmm.
It's a, it's, it's a, and bydoing this, I realized, you
know, some of my blind spots.
Obviously a bright spot.
By the definition, you don't see it.
Yep.
You don't see it yourself.
So again, I, I made alot of work on myself.
(07:16):
I was in a group of different peopleand all of us evolved tremendously.
So it was like, wow, that's thebest investment I've done because
of first when you do it, youthink, Hmm, spend money for myself.
Why, you know, and then, but yourealize that actually what you are
getting, it's, it's new transformation.
So this was the first thing, andafterwards, what I did as well
(07:37):
is I thought, yeah, you know, I,I need to have some, you know, I
really want to have some good basis.
So I decided to take acertification with Mindvalley.
Okay.
No.
So I become, you know, it was, uh,I think four months and I became
a certified Mindvalley life coach.
Okay.
Then how did you turnthat into a, a practice?
(08:00):
How did you start finding clients and,
okay.
I mean, first, I mean, first, and Ihave to say, I'm still at the start
of my business, Michael, right?
Mm-hmm.
It's not, you know, so, so firstI, uh, I, I started finding,
you know, pro bono mm-hmm.
Clients.
Because obviously you need them as wellfor, you know, you need to have a certain
(08:21):
number of hours for the certification.
Yeah.
And, and afterwards this was like,you know, some of them turned
into paid clients and aft veryoften it's word of mouth as well.
Mm-hmm.
You know, people and, uh, but nowI'm really in the process of, of, of.
Expanding this business.
I, I only launched mywebsite I think a month ago.
Okay.
(08:41):
And, you know, where, where I've gotmy programs and, uh, I built, uh,
you know, a sales funnel as well.
So, mm-hmm.
I'm, I'm getting into, uh, thistechnicalities and one thing I
did, which is what's very newto me, is becoming more visible.
Yeah,
because you know, I, I have tosay before I was not on social
(09:03):
media, you know, Facebook, I wasnever, you know, never interested.
I mean, in kind of showing myselfor even looking at other people's
stories, it's not me, you know?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it is like, right, this whoI am, but now when somebody said to
me, you see Daniel, you've got to.
I mean, it's important to be visibleand it's not about, you know, you,
(09:24):
but it's really about your message.
Yeah.
That, you know, if you talk to peopleand you, and, uh, people might resonate
with you and then, you know, mightwant to, to, to, to work with you.
So, and you see in Instagram, uh, theysaid, okay, Instagram is the best.
So I thought, okay, but I still wantto do something which brings value.
(09:44):
So my first reels, they were about.
Each of them was abouta particular subject.
For instance, the first one I remember,it was like, life is a decision.
Life.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, sorry.
Happiness is a decision.
Yep.
Happiness is coming from within.
Or why should we embraceemotional intelligence?
Why should we embrace feedback?
(10:06):
Why?
You see, uh, every time Itry to find something where.
Basically when people listen to it,they can learn something, you know?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, learn, uh, if theycome or not, it doesn't matter.
It's really, it's about helping people andit's why I decided as well to, to become
a podcast host, which is very recent.
(10:26):
Yeah.
And to go into motivational speakingbecause I really, I like to do that.
I like to uplift people.
That's great.
Yeah.
And, and podcasts are, are a reallygreat way, especially for someone
who's new in business to learn.
So this is.
I dunno what episode, this will be230 or something, but my episodes, I
think around 60 to 110 were, that wholeseason was interviewing people who were
(10:53):
successful in business when I was not yet.
And just basicallysaying, how'd you do it?
And just having a wholeparade of people tell me.
And now if I'd call these peopleup and be like, Hey, can I
pick your brain for 40 minutes?
They'd be like, oh no.
Or sure gimme a thousand dollars.
But because I invite them on a podcastas a guest, they tell me everything
(11:16):
because it's, you know, it's for exposure.
So I got basically free coachingcalls with these seven figure business
owners, um, one after another, afteranother, after another for free, for
the low, low price of having a podcast.
And the really cool thing is whenyou invite someone to be on your
podcast, most people say yes.
(11:37):
If you don't over, if you don'tovercomplicate, if you're like, Hey,
you wanna be on a podcast, cool.
Here's the link to bookeverything you need on that link.
Just fill that out and we'll talk then.
And you'll be amazed.
We'll say yes when you're like,Hey, you wanna get on the podcast?
Sure.
I mean, you know, TonyRobbins won't, Gary V won't.
But other than that, any, anycoach you meet in any sort of
(11:57):
event, they'll be like, yeah, sure.
I'll get on your podcast.
Why not?
Absolutely.
And actually, you know, I I, I literallystarted last week, you know, but I had
already four interviews and uh Yep.
One is already published and, and Ihad somebody coming to me, he is a
coach, and he says, oh, can, can, andof, of course I describe, you know,
(12:17):
myself quickly, but he says, yeah,I'd love to come on, on your podcast.
And I had a short interview.
It was great.
Mm-hmm.
So I, I resonate.
Thank you so much, Michael, becauseit's, it gives me a lot of encouragement.
You see.
Me, it's as well about, it'sabout having a great conversation.
Yeah.
It's about, it's not like, uh, I mean,I wouldn't do it just to get something.
(12:38):
It's just really to, to see and, and to,it's really for our listeners as well.
What, what can they get?
How can they be inspired?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And that's, um, Phil Pcha describes apodcast as a good podcast is like you're
sitting at the end of a table wheretwo people are having a conversation.
Just listing another conversation.
(12:59):
And that's, that's whatpeople want to hear.
And then, you know, they wannalearn something, they wanna
get something from it, but itdoesn't have to be anything fancy.
You know, these days, zoom, I, when Ifirst started, I used, um, there, there
was software that would record locallyand then upload that recording because it
would deal with the, the zoom glitches.
But now Zoom is so reliable andthe noise cancellation is so good
(13:22):
that you can just do it on Zoom.
It's super easy.
The post-production is super simple.
And, um, and it's just, it's such a, andI think actually even the volume balancing
Zoom gets that pretty good now too.
Um, but I, I set my settings a longtime ago that are, it saves two separate
audio files so I can balance it.
(13:42):
I think, I think I said it that way,but um, but yeah, it was amazing just
how easy it is to do and it's such agreat networking tool because if you
reach out to someone and say, Hey, I'dlike to get on a call and, you know,
see how we could work together, eh, Iknow I don't wanna get to know you call.
Hey, I'd love to haveyou come on my podcast.
Sure.
Same conversation.
You have the same conversation, a podcastinterview or a networking call, except
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they'll give you an hour for the podcast,um, of which 35 minutes is the interview,
and 25 minutes is the networkingcall, and they would barely give you
30 minutes for the networking call.
So yeah, podcast is such a great assetfor someone who's getting started.
So it's really smart you're doing that.
And that's, um, absolutely,
and you see really, youmeet amazing people.
I mean, afterwards, it's.
(14:26):
You know, I mean, today, I mean,I had somebody very spirituality
person who, who, she's a coach, butshe, I, it was not even, not, uh,
Paula as something else, but mm-hmm.
And it was, you know, talkingme about, you know, spirits and
all souls and, and, and psychicexperiences and you think, wow.
You know, so again, I'm, I'mlearning a lot, you know,
(14:46):
this is, this is fascinating.
And, and you know, Michael, I dunnoif you resonate with this one, but
if we, if we speak now together.
It's not a coincidence.
Mm-hmm.
You know, everything happens for a reason.
This is my, my new me talking, you know?
Uh,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
There there's, there's a poem calledDesert that, uh, the key part, I
(15:08):
can't remember if it's the beginningor not, but that the universe is
unfolding precisely the way itshould, um, that everything happens.
So I actually, and, and so somethingI used to do, and you're welcome to
steal this idea, is I had a podcast thatI called the Power Launch Live Show.
I use Streamy Yard.
Um, although StreamyYard's prices have shut up.
So you might use Restream now.
(15:29):
And I would bring onfour guests at a time.
So I had a, uh, Google, uh, Google formand people would fill out, you know, name,
email, address, bio, what they wanna talkabout, and what Friday they're available.
'cause it's always thesame, same time of the week.
Okay.
Um, and then I would just grabthe first four people who said
they were available on a day,and that's who goes on that show.
(15:51):
And I did that for.
About 65 weeks.
Um, and I would say that the show wasproduced by serendipity in a random
happenstance because I made no effortto put the right people on the show
together because the universe coulddo a better guest lineup than I could.
And what I found was I'd get onthese, I would find similarities
(16:13):
between the different guests.
So we do it for an hour and then I giveeach one like a three minute spot to talk
about their topic, and then we just kindof open up the conversation to whatever.
And people would everytime be like, wow, why?
How'd you put us together?
How'd you know we neededto be on the same show?
And I was like, I didn't even knowwho was gonna be on this show.
I showed up.
(16:33):
I mean, I, I, I was the one whosent out the emails and whatnot,
but I didn't really pay attention.
Um, I cut and paste a bunch ofthings into the emails and said,
Hey, you're gonna be on this date.
I showed up, I saw who was in my room.
I interviewed them and myproducers, the universe.
The divine power, whatever itis, it's absolutely the universe.
Yeah.
Like the white people on that show.
And it was, and, and it's, it's funnybecause I stopped doing it when the
(16:57):
universe basically said we're done.
Because for a while I wasbooking out six weeks.
Everyone wanted to be on it constantly.
And then one day, like a lightswitch, they stopped signing up.
And I'm like, guess we're done.
You know, you listen to, listen tothat intuition, listen to that, uh.
That universe we're done.
But it, it was such a great opportunity.
I, I think I had 140 people onthat show over the course of
(17:19):
the, the time that I did it.
And I made so many connections.
I made, you know, found jointventure partners, I found
people whose book on my summits.
I found, you know, all kinds of people.
I was able to get on there andit was, it was, um, such a,
and it was so easy to do too.
'cause I'd go into a networking roomand I'd say, Hey, I have this thing
called the Power Launch Live show.
If you wanna come onit, fill out this form.
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I had to drop the form in the chat.
And seven people wouldsign up for various times.
I wasn't chasing people down.
I wasn't saying, Hey, whatdate are you gonna be there?
Somebody?
No-show.
The no-show.
They're, they're not meant to be there.
So I didn't even worry about followup with people who didn't show up.
I was like, eh, whatever.
Guess we got three people this week.
So it was, it was a, you know, greatexperience and great way to meet a lot
of people and learn from a lot of people.
(17:59):
And I never knew what we were gonnabe talking about on that show.
We had so many different things fromfairies and, uh, you know, other
universes to I. Financial and taxstrategies to, to marketing, to, you
know, health stuff, to everything.
It was, it was a fascinating experience,
but it's, and you know,I resonate so much.
(18:21):
Thank you for sharing.
I mean, it's such a wonderfulexperience, uh, Michael, and you see
really now this, this is my vocabulary.
Um, every day universe has my back.
You know, things happen andsometimes I know what I'd like to do.
But the how, how it happens now.
You know, before I would've,it, it would've been control.
(18:43):
I would've chased, I would've done all thethings, you know, I was an overthinker.
I was a perfectionist.
Now finished.
Know what?
Yeah, okay, I'm going there.
I'm taking the first step.
I trust the process and I trustthe universe, and you know
what things are happening.
You are talking about serendipities,again, a term I didn't know
before, and now not only I'm usingit, but I'm using it as well.
(19:06):
Synchronicities, Uhhuh,so many things happening.
I'm thinking of something andthen, oh, somebody talks about
this, and then I read an article.
It's like, okay, you see my secret?
Now it's practicing gratitude.
I'm grateful and I say, youknow, the number of the times a
day, I say, thank you, you know?
(19:27):
Thank you universe.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
I'm just smiling and this is it.
Things are happening and even, youknow what, what you said for you, you
know, when you said it stopped to givetime, it's a universe telling you,
Michael, no, I've got something better.
Yeah.
You know, for you, you know,whatever it is, you know?
(19:48):
Mm-hmm.
It could be different things.
It's like right.
Let's go to the next step, you see?
Yeah.
It's really how do we look at things?
Mm-hmm.
And when we look at every, everyevent in our life and instead of
thinking, oh, it's a challenge.
Difficult, I can't do this.
Okay.
If you ask yourself, why is it,why is it happening in my movie?
(20:11):
Oh, okay.
Mm-hmm.
This is to teach me something.
This person is thereto teach me something.
Yep.
Right.
We embrace this.
And really we, we go with this mindsetvery often we see that, oh wow, yeah.
This is the door for something else.
Yeah.
Just having the trust thateverything's happening for our good.
(20:31):
Mm-hmm.
And when we really followour path, miracle Simple.
So now just enjoying miracles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and the yeah.
And the gratitude thingis, is so powerful.
I, um, the.
There's a method that I was taught, whichis that you write down, um, I think I did.
I don't remember if I did 10 or 20.
(20:52):
I did 10 or 20 things everyday that you're grateful for,
but you can't repeat them.
So, day one's pretty easy.
I'm grateful for my home, and the streetsare safe, and I'm healthy to day two,
you, you gotta go a little bit deeper.
Day three, you're like really digging in.
And by day four, you're,you're teasing it apart.
You're like, I am grateful forpepperoni pizza and mushroom pizza.
And like, just to, to reallydive in to get those things.
(21:16):
Um, but once you get to that point, thenyou really start to, to develop the habit.
And so when my car gottotaled the other day.
You know, someone clobbered my car.
My initial, you know, I, mytrained response was, I'm grateful.
No one's hurt.
I'm grateful.
(21:37):
I'm in a financial positionwhere this is not a disaster.
I'm grateful, um, that I.This happened in a place where
help was able to come quickly.
I'm grateful that I have a wifethat I can call to pick me up.
And so I immediately went toall of the good things there.
Absolute.
Absolutely.
Um, instead of the like,oh, this ruins everything.
And, and it was also, it wassomewhat clear to me what message
(21:58):
God was trying to send that paid me.
He'd been sending more subtlybefore he had to hit me with a car.
But, um, but it was, you know, whatam I, what lesson am I meant to hear?
And then also, what are the good things?
So instead of that, like.
So I didn't get angry.
The other driver, um, althoughthere's some dispute is who falls.
Um, but you know, I didn't get angry.
(22:18):
The other driver, I didn't get angry.
The situation is like, this is whatis, let's deal with it, move forward.
Um, 'cause you know, getting angryis not productive in that situation.
Um, that exactly.
And,
and, and you see, when we get angry, theonly person we penalize is ourselves.
Yeah.
And it dries our emotions down.
Mm-hmm.
(22:38):
You know, so.
I,
I think that, I think there's,there's times, one thing I am
finding is there's times when it'svaluable to be righteously angry.
Um, and it's also okay, youknow, something happens like when
technology doesn't work, I willsometimes yell at it very loudly.
And I used to be like,no, I shouldn't be angry.
I need to maintain po.
And what I realized was that this energydidn't, it just goes back in and stays.
(23:04):
Yeah.
So, you know, yelling at a computersometimes is a nice cathartic release.
If the computer doesn't care, ifI yell at it, doesn't bother it.
Maybe someone outside the windowis like, what's he yelling at?
But, you know, it doesn't hurt anyone.
I'm not, you know, andit, it lets that out.
And there's definitely times whereI find it, it can be useful to
when someone is doing somethingthat needs to be forcefully
(23:27):
addressed, shall we say, um mm-hmm.
You know, criticizing thingsin the industry or whatnot.
There's, there's a, a use for that.
But in, in, you know, there'sa car accident, there's no
use in getting angry at.
The cops or the other driver or the, like,there's nothing to get angry out there.
It is what it is.
We're dealing with it and, and,you know, to, to manage that energy
is a really, really key thing.
(23:48):
So.
Absolutely.
And see even, you know, and what yousaid, even, you know, when people
criticize you, for instance, uh mm-hmm.
My, one of the biggest tool Ilearned and really, which I apply
every day, is to apply the same,don't take things personally.
Yeah.
Don't things.
It, you know, comes from a book,you know, the four agreements?
(24:09):
Yep.
Perhaps you read it and, and you seefirst thing I thought, what's this?
You know?
Oh, somebody says something.
No, it's, it's got nothing to do with us.
Mm-hmm.
It's the person reflecting on youor the outside work for better.
You know, their own insecurities,their fears, their childhood
trauma, but it's not you.
It's not.
And when you realize that.
(24:31):
The fact is not going to change.
The person is still going to criticize,but what we make of that changes.
We said, it's your problem.
It's
not, it's a them problem,not a me problem.
Yeah.
I'm awesome.
If you don't like me,that's a you problem.
Exactly.
That you know, this is, and,and when we start, like not
reacting, people are very puzzled.
Yeah.
And then eventually they're going tochange because they see that, you know, if
(24:54):
they try to trigger you, it's not working.
So.
So, but at least it's their thing.
Yeah.
Again, what we make of the world.
This is our choice.
This is really, yeah.
Uh,
powerful, I think.
Absolutely.
So it looks like we are comingto the end of our polooza spot
here in the pot auditorium.
Yes.
So if people want to connectwith you, how can they do that?
(25:16):
Well, you know, there's mywebsite now, which is www.
Dot com And, uh, I will, II will leave you as well.
Uh, you know, the details of, um,of my, I've got Instagram, I've
got, uh, I'm available on LinkedIn.
Okay.
And now that in the
show notes.
Of course.
Yeah.
(25:37):
It, it, it'll be in the show notes.
Yes, exactly.
And thank you so much for your, your time.
It was such a, such anice, easy flowing Yes.
Conversation, Michael, like,as you say, on the same table,
just having a chat.
This is, yeah.
Really what's nice, it's great tohave you on here because, um, in, in
my mind, all coaching should have aFrench accent because the original,
(25:58):
uh, trainer who taught me thecoaching concepts was French, so Oh,
okay.
Yeah,
yeah.
He was living in Canada.
He, he was not French Canadian.
He was a French person living in Canada,which is different from French Canadian.
So,
yeah, no, of course.
I, I've been, I've been to, to Quebec.
Uh, are you, are youfrom Canada, yourself?
No, no, from,
uh, Connecticut.
(26:19):
From Connecticut.
Yeah.
Yep.
But, uh, yeah, so, so I, I,um, and he had, he had quite a
bit heavier accent than you do.
So there there's, there's differentwords, like the way he said, words
like thoughts, um, which, which I hadto be like, like, what is he saying?
Sos Oh, thoughts.
He's saying thoughts.
Um, but yeah, so, so I, I'm used tolearning about coaching in a French
(26:40):
accent, so, uh, so it was nostalgic.
So it was great to, greatto get to connect with you.
Yeah.
Well thank you very much and the pleasure.
It was great.
It was like my last interviewtoday and it's beautiful.
Great.
Thank you so much.
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