June 3, 2025 • 31 mins
Kainani Stevens, John Oehser and Brian Sexton are in the studio to share team updates including how Tank Bigsby will grow this season with others focused on Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter. Next, they discuss the form and body composition of players and take a look around the AFC South changes in management and players.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to jag Zam. I'm kind of Annie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Stephen, Brian Sexton, and John Oser are with me today.
It's the third week of OTAs here in Jacksonville. We
are inching closer to actual football, but for right now,
just helmets and shorts as we watch them at practice,
try to get a little bit of an idea of
what this new team is going to look like. Let's
start out with our big things. Big thing number one
is red zone work.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We see a ton of that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We try to make a lot of those situations and
what they do in that exactly. But what we heard
from Liam Cohen yesterday was about what he's seen from
Trevor Lawrence so far in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He's actually done a really nice job in the red zone.
Really looking back to the first time that we did
it last Friday, when we did it, I think he
made some quick decisions. You know, everything is sped up
in the red air area, when the timing, the rhythm,
the space, it's all tighter, it's all sped up. I
thought he's done a nice job with his footwork in
the red zone, understanding that concept.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Ryan red zone, third down, in the red zone, all
problem areas for this team last year. A lot of
that is going to be on Trevor Lawrence's shoulders to
deal with going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Good to see so far, well, yeah, absolutely, and you
would expect as he goes into his fifth season that
every facet of his game, especially those money zone games,
you know, win the red zone, would be important to him.
Two guys though, that I am watching in the red
zone this year Brent Strange, the tight end who has
great leaping abilities we've seen in the past and a
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guy with really good hands. And also Tank Bigsby, right,
I mean, if the Jaguars are going to and people say, well,
what about Brian Thomas and what about the Travis Hunter.
But there's two guys I think that will help the
quarterback more than anyone else, and that is Tank's ability
to punch it in and Stranger's ability to get open
while other people are focused on number seven or number twelve.
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If those two guys can lift their game in the
red zone, I think it'll help Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, it should overall be a better red zone team.
For one of the guys that Brian mentioned as well,
Brian Thomas Junior. I think he's going to continue to
be more of a go to guy there. Look, you're
at the point now in OTAs and with a new
regime where they've been around these players for a while.
My understanding is the last couple of weeks Trevor Lawrence
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has really impressed.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
The people who are working with them.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Not that they didn't expect to be impressed, but you're
at that point now, Brian, where there's two or three
months in. They're getting a feel for study habits, they're
getting a feel for want to work ethic. Those are
all things that when people come in they want to
know about a guy. You can hear it, but you
got to see it high end stuff from Trevor Lawrence.
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I my understanding he's improved dramatically the last couple of
weeks in terms of what they want from him. So
Red Zone's part of that, but overall, Uh, the last
couple of weeks have been really encouraging for the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Very good switch to the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Our second sig thing today is gonna be weigh and
we've made note of it here on this program. Some
of the defensive players have lost weight. They look significantly
a little bit more athletic, out there. Josh Heinz Allen
talked yesterday about what's going on with him.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You know, my mindset was always you know, to be
as dominant, but you know it was a little obviously
holding a little bit more weight kind of you know,
puts a.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Little bit more wear and tear on the body.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
And just you know, it was a lot too much. Again,
learn to adapt, got to know know what works that's
for you. Something I tried and something that I'm like, alright,
I probably don't want to do that again.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, John Josh said yesterday he played at two eighty
five last year.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
He doesn't wanna do that again.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I think just from what we've seen, he looks a
little bit more healthy, says he's feeling better. Does this
mean we're gonna see some better play from him too?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Where start here? Look, a lot of guys were asked
to put on weight last year. Last year is behind them,
but it's pretty clear that that did not work. This
regime is taking the approach of they want these guys
feeling as good as they feel physically going in. Whether
that's a two sixty five to eighty five to eighty
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five for Josh Allen, I think everybody watching last year
saw that Devin Lloyd was ballooned up, Josh Allen was
ballooned up, and you sort of thought, Okay, what's going on.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Uh, they tried something last year.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
It clearly didn't work, and Brian, they're being as nice
as possible. That's Josh's nice way of saying, thank god,
I don't have to do that again. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
There are players that add weight. There's a story about
the Ravens pass rusher today adding twenty pounds to his
frame because he wanted to be stronger when the season
got into the November and December range. So guys try it,
they go up. And both of those guys looked good
last year in terms of physically they were impressive. But
Josh was two sixty five the year before when he
had seventeen and a half sacks and set the single
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season franchise record. So clearly finishing was trouble last year
for him because at two eighty five he this didn't
feel it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
John.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
As I look around the NFL, how many pass rushers
are fifteen sack guys in the two hundred.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And eighty eighty five range?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Not many? I mean, Miles Garrett stands out as a
guy who can play fast and explosive weighing that much,
but most of the rest of the guys are in
the two sixty five range. So the smile on both
Trayvon's face last week and Josh yesterday when they talked
about being able to play back down two sixty five
two seventy, I think tells the whole story.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Ka, it seemed like last year's philosophy was if it
ain't broke ad weight, which was.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
They're not doing that again.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I have every confidence that you will see a motivated
fit Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker and again minunderstanding is
this new regime and it takes time for new people,
even when you've heard about people to get used to it.
They love what they've seen from Josh and Drama absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Our final big thing today is going to be twelve
on defense. We know that track Tunner is going to
play both ways. Primarily he will be featured as a
wide receiver as far as open practices. So far in
OTAH we haven't seen him play defense. He has been
a part of some of the defense on different days
of OTAs, and head coach Leen Cohen talked about what
he's seen.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We were in the red area last on Friday and
didn't end up making any like plays on the ball,
but just the movement skills and some of the man coverages,
the feel and zone, you can definitely see how natural
it is for him. Still learning, still growing, still trying
to learn the calls as much as possible, but when
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you see him just in the actual seven on in
team setting, A doesn't look out of place by any means.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Brian, We've been able to see what he's done with
the wide receiver so far, but now hearing that you
know dB might be even more instinctual to him and
just kind of easier for him in general.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's good to hear as well.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well as the Jaguars drafted to him and talking to
people around the league who had studied him, his ball
skills were considered elite and everybody thought that just bent
on the defensive side, But he had four interceptions last
year for Colorado and is a guy whose ball skills
on the defensive side appear to be just as good
as the offensive side. And listen when you watch him
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move right, whether it's coming off the line or breaking
off on a route or just walking out into the field.
The guy just moves different than everyone around him. He
just has a way about him that says that everything
feels natural to him.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
John, Yeah, they knew coming into this, based on what
they had on their conversations with him before the draft,
that the challenge was going to be keeping him from
overdoing it and trying they want to limit his snaps.
They knew coming in that was going to be hard
on defense. After the first couple of times seeing him,
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the thought is, it's going to be even harder. He
wants to be doing everything and when you see him
fail the ball and make plays on the ball on defense, Uh,
it's gonna be a challenge for them to not get greedy.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
The candy jar is sitting there.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
How do you keep from taking a piece out every
time you pass and go down the hallway. Uh, that's
gonna be the challenge with Travis Hunter because he wants
to do it, and Uh, everywhere he is, he makes
you that much better.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
So good luck keeping him off the field.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's a good problem for the Jaguars to have. Stay
with us here.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We're gonna do a deep dive into the defense and
tell you what is gonna be different about the team
this year. Today episode of Jack Van Brock you by
Fresh from Florida. It's always in season.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
I mean I think we have it just as well,
including myself. I think just you know, being in a building,
being here, being with the guys, getting the communication from
the coach's mouth is always huge. Uh. You know, the
coaches have been awesome, very communicative. Uh you know, they
want to they want to get us better, they want
to be involved, they want to they want us to be.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
For each other.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And you can tell by the passion that to give
each and every day. Uh, you know, I love it
a group of coaches that you know, I want to
sacrifice my body for and and give it all I can.
So you know, I'm excited for what for what does
year at Brenzos.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Josh Hain's down Wighan on the new coaching staff here
in Jacksonville. Obviously, you know there was tons of offseason changes,
but on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We're going to focus in a little bit on that today.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
This is the first time we've seen Josh here for
OTAs in a while. He's taken the last two seasons off,
but he said it was important for him to be
here this year for a couple of different reasons, but
it is good to see almost one hundred percent full
buy in and that everybody's here to work with the
new coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well, he made that connection, the Kentucky connection, I think
is what he called it yesterday, having been in Kentucky
and Liam Cohen had been in Kentucky, and so there
were conversations about getting those two guys together, and and
the other thing that Josh talked about was short of
the evolution right his family and his time, and it
was a good year for him to be here, and
it was a good year for Liam to him here.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I loved when Josh was talking about Camp defensive quarter
Anthony camp Now they say he's a lot, and he
laughed in the sense that everybody who has met Anthony
Camp they would say he's a lot in the best
way possible, like this is a guy who's fiery. Trayvon
had mentioned it last week. There's a genuineness when they're
talking about it. I had Eric Armstead on the ozone
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podcast and he said the same thing. They know that
Anthony Campanelli cares about them. That comes through. It's the
first thing that Anthony Campanelli talked about when I interviewed
him Ace when he first got here in January. There's
genuinous about him. Players are responding to this staff, and
I know fans out there saying, well, they respond to
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every staff. Okay, maybe, but in this case, this feels
real and here's a real energy. I asked Armstead hey
about the scheme, what's different. He's like, the scheme is
pretty much the same for linemen. They've got these guys down.
They believe in what's going on. I think you're gonna
see that front be a little more like what we
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hoped it would be last year when they brought Armstead in,
when they had Trayvon and Josh coming off great years.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
It feels like that's ready to happen.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
As I watch that defense, and especially coach camp on
the field, I'm reminded of last November. Before the Packers game,
both Tony Bisselli and Jeff Logman just went on and
on with how impressed they were with not just the
scheme that Green Bay ran, but the way that the
players ran it, how dialed in they were on all
of their assignments, and rarely did the Packers defenders make mistakes,
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and they both thought it was a testament to the
coaching style and the effort. So when I watch him,
I go back to that conversation because man, it's exciting
to think that maybe this defense could be as effective
as that one.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, it's interesting the way they've responded and how tight
knit it feels going into this. It's only June, but
you'd rather be saying that than not saying that.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I always found it funny too when Josh Heinzeln said
someone's a lot, because Josh is a.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Lot, right, but I mean and takes one to know one.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Josh clarified it very quickly to say that he loved it.
You know the players when you meet camp, you know
the players first reaction is going on, what what was that?
And then after a couple of days like, oh, that's
the real deal, and so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Johnny mentioned that those one podcasts.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He talked to Eric Armstead this week, and Eric actually
cleared up some of what happened last year. Obviously, he
was playing out of position a little bit on the edge,
which he had done before but primarily had been a
defensive tackle, and he commented on kind of how that
came to be.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
You know, when they presented the plan to me, I
was like, Okay, let's let's do it if if that's
you know, the best plan that you guys see fit.
And then sorely into the season when we were in London,
I went to them and I said, you know, I
don't think it's necessarily working out. You know, I feel
like I can have bigger impact on the team if
I'm playing more inside from you know, a better pass rusher,
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and I'm on the field, you know, with Josh and
Trayvon and the rest of the guys, And at that time,
looking at the roster, it didn't happen, even though I
expressed that that's something that I wanted to do when
I thought that would be better for the team.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
John that was kind of a contentious situation. Obviously a
lot of stuff going on in defense last year, but
it does give me a little bit of hope in
terms of what we're gonna see from Eric, Arms said,
I can kind of wash some of last season away
in the sense of I think what we get this
year will be very different.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I always hesitate to say that I know what
happened in a situation like that, so Eric told his
side or you know, this is what he saw. And
I don't know that we'll ever know the nuances of well,
you needed to play this and we wanted you to
play this, and that's fine because we're moving on from it.
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I think the interesting thing he said a couple of things.
He had never really been a part time starter before,
and he's looking forward to being on the interior, starting
getting into the rhythm, being where he can impact it.
And it seems like that is a path to getting
the most out of him. I think he can be better.
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He showed at times Brian when he was playing inside
that he could still be effective. I asked him he
must to play five or six more years at his age.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
More power to him if he can. I wonder.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
How long a player of his age has for that
peak performance. What you hope for the Jaguars is he
has a couple more years where he can come together
and be what he was for what he is now,
which is on this team.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Well, last season felt so disconnected, disjointed if you will,
because his best seasons kay in San Francisco, where he
had multiple ten plus SAX seasons. We're all on the
inside and the word that we got was he'd had
that knee injury at the end of the twenty twenty
three season and wanted to move outside a little bit
to maybe take some of the pressure off that so
he could play longer. But clearly he's a guy just
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One of the best defenses in Jaguar's history was two
thousand and seven, and they had Marcus Stroud and John Henderson,
two massive bodies inside with length and power, and they
were so disruptive they made everyone's job easier. Well, if
you can imagine taking Eric Armstead at six foot seven
and putting him next to Mason Smith, who Josh Allen
told me yesterday has really looked good so far and
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has worked hard this offseason, and have that kind of
of a presence on the inside, and mix into Von
Hamilton and perhaps Jordan Jefferson, You've really got a solution
to what has ailed this team on the inside. And
Armstead has the length that if he's pushing the passer
back John, he can also get his hands up and
make the passing lane shrink. That could create more opportunities
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for takeaways, and we know how few of those there
were last year.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Eric talked about, you know wanting to play more because
of the rotation style that they had last year. Josh
and Trayvon have weighed in on that as well. Cohen
talked yesterday about the importance of having a balance between
giving them some rest but also playing your best players.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's a little bit of a balance of keeping guys
fresh and wanting you know, you always hear the term
waves of rushers, but ultimately you've got to have your
best guys on the field as much as possible, and
especially in those money downs, whether it be in the
third downs, known passing situations, and in the red zone.
Right So, I do think it's a balance, but ultimately,
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if they're in the physical shape to be able to
do it and to play down in and down out consistently,
that will be really important for us. Those guys are
going to have to be in elite shape. They've done
a great job of getting to that point thus far,
and think that there are you know, on track to
do those things.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
In this fall, we talked a little bit about their
change in physical appearance, dropping some of the weight, hopefully
playing more as much as josh Aun Zalen and Draymonk
Walker can be on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I would like to see that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, and we learned last year how little they liked
the rotation. Right, it did very long in some of
the pieces. You quickly figured out that they wanted to
be on the field. I would listen to them. They're
listening to their bodies. They'll know when they need a break,
and they'll do what it takes to be at their
best in the fourth quarter and in the second half
of the season.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, you have to rotate some on the defensive line.
No defensive lineman plays one hundred percent of the snaps.
What was curious at times last year wasn't so much
the amount, but it was the win, you know. So
and I didn't mind the defensive line rotation conceptually, but
when you had your key guys off the field and
the big downs, that's when eyebrows were correctly raised.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Let's talk a little bit about the secondaries. Well, obviously
it was a huge issue for the team last year,
giving up those big plays and busted coverage. We've seen
but a lot of new additions in the secondary, a
lot of maybe position changes potentially as well. Liam Cohen
wade in on what he's seen from them so far.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Man, they've got their hands on a lot of balls
so far. I mean, just having some more vision on
the quarterback and some of the zone coverages and shoot
when we've been able to play man. It's something that
they've been doing for quite some time last year, and
so they've done a nice job. And man, I think
Tyson's done a nice job with his hands and feet
at the second and third levels. You saw him on
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Tariff make a nice play again today. He's been steadying, consistent.
You know, that whole group has done a really good job.
Jordan Lewis, Jarion Jones, that whole crew of guys. It's
been competitive. It's been a learning curve obviously, you know,
when you're used to playing so much man, going back
and playing a little bit of zone, as it sounds,
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could be a little bit challenging based on where your
eyes are and the discipline things like that. I think
they've done a nice job though so far.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Johnny made a lot of what the secondary couldn't do
last year. There's a lot of new faces out there. Obviously,
Travis Hunter will be in the mix as well. Jordan Lewis,
I feel like has been a great leader for that group.
Talked a little bit about working with Jarian Jones and
Jan Jones maybe on outside a bit more this year.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
From what we see, well, it sounds like you're get
me on the outside a lot more. That's where they
on them. It's a group that still feels Tyson Campbell's
definitely a lock, and they love Jordan Lewis, who they
signed in free agency. Eric Murray is clearly going to start,
and Dewey Andrew Wingard appears right now to.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Be the other safety.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I'd still be a little surprised if Caleb ransaw It
doesn't come in and be a factor there. I don't
know that they're necessarily done in the secondary in this sense.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
They left space.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
James Gladstone talked about leaving space all over the roster
for different young players to show they belong. I think
they're still trying to find That wouldn't surprise me if
there was another secondary, maybe a corner added as they
figure out how they want to use Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
How much that what that's going to look like. They've
done a nice job of sort of staying over.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Their feet as they build the roster. They could still
do a veteran or let somebody come along who's here
and developed.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But the key to me is obviously Tyson Campbell. They
paid him last year like an elite level corner and
in each of the last two years Ky he struggled
with some hamstring injuries. He's having a nice off season,
whatever that means to you. Until we get into pads
and until it's day in and day out on the
practice field in August, will we see if that hamstring
holds up this year. But he really does look good
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out there and running with Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter.
That's going to bring out the best to you. I mean,
that's going to make you want to be sharp. And
he really has been sharp. You heard the head coach
talk about his hands. He's knocked away some balls and
then knocked the ball out after it appeared that the
receiver has made a catch. I think it's very promising
what Tyson Campbell has brought to Ota so far, and
I'm excited to see him in August.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Tyson is very effective when he's available. There is a
new strength and conditioning staff here with the team. That's
going to be a focus, I believe of the Hunt
coming up there working a lot with that. They've changed
a lot of different things, and obviously there's a new
focus with Travis Hunter about playing him on both sides.
What that's going to entail, So that'll be something to
keep an eye on throughout the and how that works
in tandem with the coaching staff. So stay with us
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here on Jagsam. Coming up, we're going to continue our
look around the AFC South. We're going to check in
on the Titans and see what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
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Speaker 2 (21:14):
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can check them out at Mgellanlogistics dot com. A little
bit about what's going on in the AFC South. We
talked last week a little bit about what was going
on in Indianapolis with the Colts. Now we're going to
check in on the Titans. Obviously big story of the
off season. Number one pick didn't have a great season
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last year, as well as the Jaguars in neither but
Titan's number one pick. They went with cam Ward at quarterback,
trying to get their quarterback situation figured out after not
having things work out with Will Levis Brian.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
How quick or how effective can.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A rookie quarterback be right out of the gate when
there are some other.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Issues going on, and so the offensive line obviously is
an issue there. Spent the last two years they have
drafted you Latham and Peter Skronsky, two offensive linemens, so
they've been working. But this year they were kind of
bringing in guys like Kevin Zeitler and Dan Moore, you know,
older players, to try to shore everything up.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Awards a talented guy.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But John, I don't think he was a guy that,
if he had been on the board with other quarterbacks
taken in recent years, would be number one overall. I mean,
I think it's a bit of a projection.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
No, he was, as much as he can be, pushed
up the board. He was not considered the best player
in the draft, whereas or even the best prospect you've
got his position, but the quarterback pushed him up. Look,
I think he's going to be good. Everything you hear
about him is he's a good kid, a worker. So
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I think he'll be successful elite.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I don't know that the Titans. We know something about dipping.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Down to the bottom of the league around here, like
we've seen this happen. The Titans haven't dipped that often.
They dipped way down. They were, along with the Jags, Patriots,
a couple of teams really down. So it still feels
like they're at that point. And again, we've seen this
too much around here, where there's a little bit of
clawing up to do one year before you get to
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a point where you can really accelerate. And when you
hear about the offensive line right here about, you know,
they sunk more than they're used to up there, and
I think they still feel like there's a little bit
of building. They're not ready to accelerate yet.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I don't think well and objectively, they were trying to
change their entire personality.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It had been built around Derrick Henry. That offensive line
didn't have to be elite with Derek Henry back there
because he could hit anything and make his own holes
in many cases. So last year, I don't know what
was easy to take a good, in depth look at
the Titans and not acknowledge the fact that their personality
for so many years was gone. Now Kim word comes in.
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They're modernizing their offense. They're going to be a passing team,
so it might two years. They've got to get some players.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Everybody talks about identity not all teams have an identity.
For years under a vaybel with Derrek Hendrick defense, they
had an identity, and it's sometimes harder to change your
franchise when you're coming from a clear identity, because now
you've got to be something different.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, they were always a team, going back to Eddie
George in the day, that beat you up at the
line of scrimmage because they would punish you with their
big backs, and they just don't.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Have that guy right now.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Talked a little bit about the offensive line, but diving
into that a little bit, we're gonna see jac Latham
is moving to right tackle this year. They brought in
Dan Moore from the Steelers whole play left tackle, and
then just in terms of you know, Lloyd Cushionberry who
they signed injuries for them, there's not a ton of
depth there on the offensive line, so that could be
an issue as well as they've shared up maybe the
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starting five, but that's if they say the starting tis Well.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
The good news for them is that their quarterback is
very mobile. If you watched Miami at all last year,
you understand he's not a run first quarterback by any means,
but he's a guy who can extend the pocket and
stay alive to make throws, and he certainly has the
power in the arm to get that done. But again,
when you talk about the personality of the Titans, it
was always set up front with their offensive line, and
they're going to have to figure out, you know who, what,
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we're when and why.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Ye and I'm drawing a blank. He was there for
a long time.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
They had a couple of linemen even with Henry, who
were sort of the spokesman for their team. Well, Taylor
Lewan was yeah, good, So I was trying to think
of so they were really the identity. And since those
guys have sort of declined and left again, we know
from around here how hard it can be for a
franchise when it's trying to find that footing, to find it,
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and they still feel like a franchise that is in
the process of finding their footing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
When we talk about that. Obviously, we've seen some changes here.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They got a new GM over the off season in
Mike Bergonzi.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They fired Ran Carthon.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Obviously, Brian Callahan's going to be in his second season,
But again, how much leash will he be getting.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Obviously he's got his quarterback now.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But you know a lot of people are impatient in football,
so he may be on the here as well.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Brand Yeah, you know, because the general manager did not
bring him in. But Callahan is a guy who has
been well thought of, so I think they'll give him
some time, especially with the quarterback coming in as a rookie.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Calvin Ridley is still there
down the field threat and we've seen him each of
the last two seasons. He's not Brian Thomas Junior. I mean,
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it's not like you're giving this young quarterback a legitimate
number one weapon, So I think they're gonna have to
give him some time to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, and again, we don't cover the Titans, so it's
hard to know the absolute specific dynamics of a franchise
unless you're around it. But I know they're not used
to being at the bottom. Nobody wants to be used
to being at the bottom. But when you're sort of
used to getting better quickly, which they are, that makes
you wonder. You know, it's a project with a with
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a rookie quarterback, but is there thought within the franchise. Hey,
we get that it's a project, but we still need
to get to seven or eight and show something, or
do they believe, Hey, we know with the project that
we may have one more year of drafting at the top.
I don't know what the answers are there. Patience in
the NFL has changed since I started covering at ninety five,
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just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Just a little bit more impatient.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Says here will tell you what's coming up the rest
of the week.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Let's go back to the start.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
You know, it's a big upside, dude, basically.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
Saying, Hey, one of the trademarks of our leadership group
is that when there's an opportunity to be bold, we
won't flinch.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
I don't know that there was much expectation as much
as it was just curiosity. People will learn pretty quick
once we start making legit decisions that we know what the.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
James game to leave and iris who was after him?
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Maybe he says, you think about maybe bring your phone
call the.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Cleveland Regardless of how things fall, well, I love in
a position to be better tomorrow than award today.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Pretty much immediately, at least in my mind's on why not?
Speaker 9 (28:12):
The night's still good for the same timing executing it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It wasn't at our mercy, but there was confidence that
it wouldn't be able to get done.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
A lot of people said, bell boy, you gave it
a lot. My response is did we We got the
best player? That time will tell me it was a
small price to pay.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Let's make history.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Let's girl fear of the unknown.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
That can be an inhibitor.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Misgiving thumbs up on ours.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
In the moments that I didn't take action out of
fear I had looked back at and regretted.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Hey, Travis is James Gladstone with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
How you doing for the rest of my life when
there's an opportunity for me to face fear that challenge?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Because you're the one we've been hunting up the best
a bit.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
I'm hopeful that that brings with it positive results, but
only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The latest piece of cinema from the Hunt sing here
at Jaguars Productions, all behind the scenes and a little
bit of how it came to be the trade up
for Travis Hunter. We've got some very cool access into
that and kind of hearing them talk behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That new episode came out last week. If you haven't
checked it out.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You definitely want to kind of see the inner workings
of how things can been going with new GM James Gladstone.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
The more you hear, the more that you watch the
behind the scenes stuff, the more that you understand the
way that he and Biselli and Cohen think and work together.
The more excited it is, the more easy it is
to be excited about what's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Yeah, we've made this point on this show, and you're
exactly right, So I'll go a different direction.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
I think maybe fans who.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Watch the Hunt might get a little spoiled and not
realize how ridiculously transparent this is. I don't know if
this is the way the league's going, but I know
for Jaguars fans, and I'm saying all this to credit
the front office for allowing this.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Sort of access. It's really cool.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
There's nothing wrong with it that this league has not
always been a league where front offices want to let
fans behind the scenes. It's really good stuff, and don't
think that you're seeing it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
This is unique, very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
All Right, the rest of the week, a couple more OTAs,
and then we're gonna hear from the coaching that some
of the new coaches later on this Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Brian, that's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's always like a unique experience we have this kind
of roundtable experience with the media is able to talk
to some of the position coaches and learn a little
bit about them.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's a relationship business, and you don't build relationships with
these guys until you get to talk to them, and
we really haven't had much of an opportunity to get
to know them at all in a relaxed setting, So
it'll be interesting to find out which guys.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Really enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
You know, who's the most candid, right, who's the one
that's going to tell you what you didn't expect? And
those guys fun.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Nothing better than talking to the offensive line coach.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
John loves an offensive coach conversation, so be sure to
bring you the latest on that. And we will be
back for our final show before training camp next week
on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
To join Sad
Welcome to jag Zam. I'm kind of Annie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Stephen, Brian Sexton, and John Oser are with me today.
It's the third week of OTAs here in Jacksonville. We
are inching closer to actual football, but for right now,
just helmets and shorts as we watch them at practice,
try to get a little bit of an idea of
what this new team is going to look like. Let's
start out with our big things. Big thing number one
is red zone work.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
We see a ton of that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We try to make a lot of those situations and
what they do in that exactly. But what we heard
from Liam Cohen yesterday was about what he's seen from
Trevor Lawrence so far in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He's actually done a really nice job in the red zone.
Really looking back to the first time that we did
it last Friday, when we did it, I think he
made some quick decisions. You know, everything is sped up
in the red air area, when the timing, the rhythm,
the space, it's all tighter, it's all sped up. I
thought he's done a nice job with his footwork in
the red zone, understanding that concept.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Ryan red zone, third down, in the red zone, all
problem areas for this team last year. A lot of
that is going to be on Trevor Lawrence's shoulders to
deal with going forward.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Good to see so far, well, yeah, absolutely, and you
would expect as he goes into his fifth season that
every facet of his game, especially those money zone games,
you know, win the red zone, would be important to him.
Two guys though, that I am watching in the red
zone this year Brent Strange, the tight end who has
great leaping abilities we've seen in the past and a
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guy with really good hands. And also Tank Bigsby, right,
I mean, if the Jaguars are going to and people say, well,
what about Brian Thomas and what about the Travis Hunter.
But there's two guys I think that will help the
quarterback more than anyone else, and that is Tank's ability
to punch it in and Stranger's ability to get open
while other people are focused on number seven or number twelve.
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If those two guys can lift their game in the
red zone, I think it'll help Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Yeah, it should overall be a better red zone team.
For one of the guys that Brian mentioned as well,
Brian Thomas Junior. I think he's going to continue to
be more of a go to guy there. Look, you're
at the point now in OTAs and with a new
regime where they've been around these players for a while.
My understanding is the last couple of weeks Trevor Lawrence
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has really impressed.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
The people who are working with them.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Not that they didn't expect to be impressed, but you're
at that point now, Brian, where there's two or three
months in. They're getting a feel for study habits, they're
getting a feel for want to work ethic. Those are
all things that when people come in they want to
know about a guy. You can hear it, but you
got to see it high end stuff from Trevor Lawrence.
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I my understanding he's improved dramatically the last couple of
weeks in terms of what they want from him. So
Red Zone's part of that, but overall, Uh, the last
couple of weeks have been really encouraging for the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Very good switch to the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Our second sig thing today is gonna be weigh and
we've made note of it here on this program. Some
of the defensive players have lost weight. They look significantly
a little bit more athletic, out there. Josh Heinz Allen
talked yesterday about what's going on with him.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You know, my mindset was always you know, to be
as dominant, but you know it was a little obviously
holding a little bit more weight kind of you know,
puts a.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Little bit more wear and tear on the body.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
And just you know, it was a lot too much. Again,
learn to adapt, got to know know what works that's
for you. Something I tried and something that I'm like, alright,
I probably don't want to do that again.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, John Josh said yesterday he played at two eighty
five last year.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
He doesn't wanna do that again.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I think just from what we've seen, he looks a
little bit more healthy, says he's feeling better. Does this
mean we're gonna see some better play from him too?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Where start here? Look, a lot of guys were asked
to put on weight last year. Last year is behind them,
but it's pretty clear that that did not work. This
regime is taking the approach of they want these guys
feeling as good as they feel physically going in. Whether
that's a two sixty five to eighty five to eighty
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five for Josh Allen, I think everybody watching last year
saw that Devin Lloyd was ballooned up, Josh Allen was
ballooned up, and you sort of thought, Okay, what's going on.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Uh, they tried something last year.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
It clearly didn't work, and Brian, they're being as nice
as possible. That's Josh's nice way of saying, thank god,
I don't have to do that again. Right.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
There are players that add weight. There's a story about
the Ravens pass rusher today adding twenty pounds to his
frame because he wanted to be stronger when the season
got into the November and December range. So guys try it,
they go up. And both of those guys looked good
last year in terms of physically they were impressive. But
Josh was two sixty five the year before when he
had seventeen and a half sacks and set the single
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season franchise record. So clearly finishing was trouble last year
for him because at two eighty five he this didn't
feel it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
John.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
As I look around the NFL, how many pass rushers
are fifteen sack guys in the two hundred.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And eighty eighty five range?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Not many? I mean, Miles Garrett stands out as a
guy who can play fast and explosive weighing that much,
but most of the rest of the guys are in
the two sixty five range. So the smile on both
Trayvon's face last week and Josh yesterday when they talked
about being able to play back down two sixty five
two seventy, I think tells the whole story.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Ka, it seemed like last year's philosophy was if it
ain't broke ad weight, which was.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
They're not doing that again.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I have every confidence that you will see a motivated
fit Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker and again minunderstanding is
this new regime and it takes time for new people,
even when you've heard about people to get used to it.
They love what they've seen from Josh and Drama absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Our final big thing today is going to be twelve
on defense. We know that track Tunner is going to
play both ways. Primarily he will be featured as a
wide receiver as far as open practices. So far in
OTAH we haven't seen him play defense. He has been
a part of some of the defense on different days
of OTAs, and head coach Leen Cohen talked about what
he's seen.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We were in the red area last on Friday and
didn't end up making any like plays on the ball,
but just the movement skills and some of the man coverages,
the feel and zone, you can definitely see how natural
it is for him. Still learning, still growing, still trying
to learn the calls as much as possible, but when
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you see him just in the actual seven on in
team setting, A doesn't look out of place by any means.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Brian, We've been able to see what he's done with
the wide receiver so far, but now hearing that you
know dB might be even more instinctual to him and
just kind of easier for him in general.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's good to hear as well.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well as the Jaguars drafted to him and talking to
people around the league who had studied him, his ball
skills were considered elite and everybody thought that just bent
on the defensive side, But he had four interceptions last
year for Colorado and is a guy whose ball skills
on the defensive side appear to be just as good
as the offensive side. And listen when you watch him
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move right, whether it's coming off the line or breaking
off on a route or just walking out into the field.
The guy just moves different than everyone around him. He
just has a way about him that says that everything
feels natural to him.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
John, Yeah, they knew coming into this, based on what
they had on their conversations with him before the draft,
that the challenge was going to be keeping him from
overdoing it and trying they want to limit his snaps.
They knew coming in that was going to be hard
on defense. After the first couple of times seeing him,
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the thought is, it's going to be even harder. He
wants to be doing everything and when you see him
fail the ball and make plays on the ball on defense, Uh,
it's gonna be a challenge for them to not get greedy.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
The candy jar is sitting there.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
How do you keep from taking a piece out every
time you pass and go down the hallway. Uh, that's
gonna be the challenge with Travis Hunter because he wants
to do it, and Uh, everywhere he is, he makes
you that much better.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
So good luck keeping him off the field.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's a good problem for the Jaguars to have. Stay
with us here.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We're gonna do a deep dive into the defense and
tell you what is gonna be different about the team
this year. Today episode of Jack Van Brock you by
Fresh from Florida. It's always in season.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
I mean I think we have it just as well,
including myself. I think just you know, being in a building,
being here, being with the guys, getting the communication from
the coach's mouth is always huge. Uh. You know, the
coaches have been awesome, very communicative. Uh you know, they
want to they want to get us better, they want
to be involved, they want to they want us to be.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
For each other.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And you can tell by the passion that to give
each and every day. Uh, you know, I love it
a group of coaches that you know, I want to
sacrifice my body for and and give it all I can.
So you know, I'm excited for what for what does
year at Brenzos.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Josh Hain's down Wighan on the new coaching staff here
in Jacksonville. Obviously, you know there was tons of offseason changes,
but on the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
We're going to focus in a little bit on that today.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
This is the first time we've seen Josh here for
OTAs in a while. He's taken the last two seasons off,
but he said it was important for him to be
here this year for a couple of different reasons, but
it is good to see almost one hundred percent full
buy in and that everybody's here to work with the
new coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well, he made that connection, the Kentucky connection, I think
is what he called it yesterday, having been in Kentucky
and Liam Cohen had been in Kentucky, and so there
were conversations about getting those two guys together, and and
the other thing that Josh talked about was short of
the evolution right his family and his time, and it
was a good year for him to be here, and
it was a good year for Liam to him here.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I loved when Josh was talking about Camp defensive quarter
Anthony camp Now they say he's a lot, and he
laughed in the sense that everybody who has met Anthony
Camp they would say he's a lot in the best
way possible, like this is a guy who's fiery. Trayvon
had mentioned it last week. There's a genuineness when they're
talking about it. I had Eric Armstead on the ozone
(10:21):
podcast and he said the same thing. They know that
Anthony Campanelli cares about them. That comes through. It's the
first thing that Anthony Campanelli talked about when I interviewed
him Ace when he first got here in January. There's
genuinous about him. Players are responding to this staff, and
I know fans out there saying, well, they respond to
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every staff. Okay, maybe, but in this case, this feels
real and here's a real energy. I asked Armstead hey
about the scheme, what's different. He's like, the scheme is
pretty much the same for linemen. They've got these guys down.
They believe in what's going on. I think you're gonna
see that front be a little more like what we
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hoped it would be last year when they brought Armstead in,
when they had Trayvon and Josh coming off great years.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
It feels like that's ready to happen.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
As I watch that defense, and especially coach camp on
the field, I'm reminded of last November. Before the Packers game,
both Tony Bisselli and Jeff Logman just went on and
on with how impressed they were with not just the
scheme that Green Bay ran, but the way that the
players ran it, how dialed in they were on all
of their assignments, and rarely did the Packers defenders make mistakes,
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and they both thought it was a testament to the
coaching style and the effort. So when I watch him,
I go back to that conversation because man, it's exciting
to think that maybe this defense could be as effective
as that one.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, it's interesting the way they've responded and how tight
knit it feels going into this. It's only June, but
you'd rather be saying that than not saying that.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I always found it funny too when Josh Heinzeln said
someone's a lot, because Josh is a.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Lot, right, but I mean and takes one to know one.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Josh clarified it very quickly to say that he loved it.
You know the players when you meet camp, you know
the players first reaction is going on, what what was that?
And then after a couple of days like, oh, that's
the real deal, and so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Johnny mentioned that those one podcasts.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
He talked to Eric Armstead this week, and Eric actually
cleared up some of what happened last year. Obviously, he
was playing out of position a little bit on the edge,
which he had done before but primarily had been a
defensive tackle, and he commented on kind of how that
came to be.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
You know, when they presented the plan to me, I
was like, Okay, let's let's do it if if that's
you know, the best plan that you guys see fit.
And then sorely into the season when we were in London,
I went to them and I said, you know, I
don't think it's necessarily working out. You know, I feel
like I can have bigger impact on the team if
I'm playing more inside from you know, a better pass rusher,
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and I'm on the field, you know, with Josh and
Trayvon and the rest of the guys, And at that time,
looking at the roster, it didn't happen, even though I
expressed that that's something that I wanted to do when
I thought that would be better for the team.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
John that was kind of a contentious situation. Obviously a
lot of stuff going on in defense last year, but
it does give me a little bit of hope in
terms of what we're gonna see from Eric, Arms said,
I can kind of wash some of last season away
in the sense of I think what we get this
year will be very different.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I always hesitate to say that I know what
happened in a situation like that, so Eric told his
side or you know, this is what he saw. And
I don't know that we'll ever know the nuances of well,
you needed to play this and we wanted you to
play this, and that's fine because we're moving on from it.
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I think the interesting thing he said a couple of things.
He had never really been a part time starter before,
and he's looking forward to being on the interior, starting
getting into the rhythm, being where he can impact it.
And it seems like that is a path to getting
the most out of him. I think he can be better.
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He showed at times Brian when he was playing inside
that he could still be effective. I asked him he
must to play five or six more years at his age.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
More power to him if he can. I wonder.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
How long a player of his age has for that
peak performance. What you hope for the Jaguars is he
has a couple more years where he can come together
and be what he was for what he is now,
which is on this team.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Well, last season felt so disconnected, disjointed if you will,
because his best seasons kay in San Francisco, where he
had multiple ten plus SAX seasons. We're all on the
inside and the word that we got was he'd had
that knee injury at the end of the twenty twenty
three season and wanted to move outside a little bit
to maybe take some of the pressure off that so
he could play longer. But clearly he's a guy just
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One of the best defenses in Jaguar's history was two
thousand and seven, and they had Marcus Stroud and John Henderson,
two massive bodies inside with length and power, and they
were so disruptive they made everyone's job easier. Well, if
you can imagine taking Eric Armstead at six foot seven
and putting him next to Mason Smith, who Josh Allen
told me yesterday has really looked good so far and
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has worked hard this offseason, and have that kind of
of a presence on the inside, and mix into Von
Hamilton and perhaps Jordan Jefferson, You've really got a solution
to what has ailed this team on the inside. And
Armstead has the length that if he's pushing the passer
back John, he can also get his hands up and
make the passing lane shrink. That could create more opportunities
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for takeaways, and we know how few of those there
were last year.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Eric talked about, you know wanting to play more because
of the rotation style that they had last year. Josh
and Trayvon have weighed in on that as well. Cohen
talked yesterday about the importance of having a balance between
giving them some rest but also playing your best players.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's a little bit of a balance of keeping guys
fresh and wanting you know, you always hear the term
waves of rushers, but ultimately you've got to have your
best guys on the field as much as possible, and
especially in those money downs, whether it be in the
third downs, known passing situations, and in the red zone.
Right So, I do think it's a balance, but ultimately,
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if they're in the physical shape to be able to
do it and to play down in and down out consistently,
that will be really important for us. Those guys are
going to have to be in elite shape. They've done
a great job of getting to that point thus far,
and think that there are you know, on track to
do those things.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
In this fall, we talked a little bit about their
change in physical appearance, dropping some of the weight, hopefully
playing more as much as josh Aun Zalen and Draymonk
Walker can be on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I would like to see that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, and we learned last year how little they liked
the rotation. Right, it did very long in some of
the pieces. You quickly figured out that they wanted to
be on the field. I would listen to them. They're
listening to their bodies. They'll know when they need a break,
and they'll do what it takes to be at their
best in the fourth quarter and in the second half
of the season.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, you have to rotate some on the defensive line.
No defensive lineman plays one hundred percent of the snaps.
What was curious at times last year wasn't so much
the amount, but it was the win, you know. So
and I didn't mind the defensive line rotation conceptually, but
when you had your key guys off the field and
the big downs, that's when eyebrows were correctly raised.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Let's talk a little bit about the secondaries. Well, obviously
it was a huge issue for the team last year,
giving up those big plays and busted coverage. We've seen
but a lot of new additions in the secondary, a
lot of maybe position changes potentially as well. Liam Cohen
wade in on what he's seen from them so far.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Man, they've got their hands on a lot of balls
so far. I mean, just having some more vision on
the quarterback and some of the zone coverages and shoot
when we've been able to play man. It's something that
they've been doing for quite some time last year, and
so they've done a nice job. And man, I think
Tyson's done a nice job with his hands and feet
at the second and third levels. You saw him on
(18:13):
Tariff make a nice play again today. He's been steadying, consistent.
You know, that whole group has done a really good job.
Jordan Lewis, Jarion Jones, that whole crew of guys. It's
been competitive. It's been a learning curve obviously, you know,
when you're used to playing so much man, going back
and playing a little bit of zone, as it sounds,
(18:35):
could be a little bit challenging based on where your
eyes are and the discipline things like that. I think
they've done a nice job though so far.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Johnny made a lot of what the secondary couldn't do
last year. There's a lot of new faces out there. Obviously,
Travis Hunter will be in the mix as well. Jordan Lewis,
I feel like has been a great leader for that group.
Talked a little bit about working with Jarian Jones and
Jan Jones maybe on outside a bit more this year.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
From what we see, well, it sounds like you're get
me on the outside a lot more. That's where they
on them. It's a group that still feels Tyson Campbell's
definitely a lock, and they love Jordan Lewis, who they
signed in free agency. Eric Murray is clearly going to start,
and Dewey Andrew Wingard appears right now to.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Be the other safety.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I'd still be a little surprised if Caleb ransaw It
doesn't come in and be a factor there. I don't
know that they're necessarily done in the secondary in this sense.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
They left space.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
James Gladstone talked about leaving space all over the roster
for different young players to show they belong. I think
they're still trying to find That wouldn't surprise me if
there was another secondary, maybe a corner added as they
figure out how they want to use Travis Hunter.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
How much that what that's going to look like. They've
done a nice job of sort of staying over.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Their feet as they build the roster. They could still
do a veteran or let somebody come along who's here
and developed.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But the key to me is obviously Tyson Campbell. They
paid him last year like an elite level corner and
in each of the last two years Ky he struggled
with some hamstring injuries. He's having a nice off season,
whatever that means to you. Until we get into pads
and until it's day in and day out on the
practice field in August, will we see if that hamstring
holds up this year. But he really does look good
(20:22):
out there and running with Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter.
That's going to bring out the best to you. I mean,
that's going to make you want to be sharp. And
he really has been sharp. You heard the head coach
talk about his hands. He's knocked away some balls and
then knocked the ball out after it appeared that the
receiver has made a catch. I think it's very promising
what Tyson Campbell has brought to Ota so far, and
I'm excited to see him in August.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Tyson is very effective when he's available. There is a
new strength and conditioning staff here with the team. That's
going to be a focus, I believe of the Hunt
coming up there working a lot with that. They've changed
a lot of different things, and obviously there's a new
focus with Travis Hunter about playing him on both sides.
What that's going to entail, So that'll be something to
keep an eye on throughout the and how that works
in tandem with the coaching staff. So stay with us
(21:03):
here on Jagsam. Coming up, we're going to continue our
look around the AFC South. We're going to check in
on the Titans and see what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Move the freight, Move the freight.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
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can check them out at Mgellanlogistics dot com. A little
bit about what's going on in the AFC South. We
talked last week a little bit about what was going
on in Indianapolis with the Colts. Now we're going to
check in on the Titans. Obviously big story of the
off season. Number one pick didn't have a great season
(21:37):
last year, as well as the Jaguars in neither but
Titan's number one pick. They went with cam Ward at quarterback,
trying to get their quarterback situation figured out after not
having things work out with Will Levis Brian.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
How quick or how effective can.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A rookie quarterback be right out of the gate when
there are some other.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Issues going on, and so the offensive line obviously is
an issue there. Spent the last two years they have
drafted you Latham and Peter Skronsky, two offensive linemens, so
they've been working. But this year they were kind of
bringing in guys like Kevin Zeitler and Dan Moore, you know,
older players, to try to shore everything up.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Awards a talented guy.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But John, I don't think he was a guy that,
if he had been on the board with other quarterbacks
taken in recent years, would be number one overall. I mean,
I think it's a bit of a projection.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
No, he was, as much as he can be, pushed
up the board. He was not considered the best player
in the draft, whereas or even the best prospect you've
got his position, but the quarterback pushed him up. Look,
I think he's going to be good. Everything you hear
about him is he's a good kid, a worker. So
(22:44):
I think he'll be successful elite.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I don't know that the Titans. We know something about dipping.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Down to the bottom of the league around here, like
we've seen this happen. The Titans haven't dipped that often.
They dipped way down. They were, along with the Jags, Patriots,
a couple of teams really down. So it still feels
like they're at that point. And again, we've seen this
too much around here, where there's a little bit of
clawing up to do one year before you get to
(23:13):
a point where you can really accelerate. And when you
hear about the offensive line right here about, you know,
they sunk more than they're used to up there, and
I think they still feel like there's a little bit
of building. They're not ready to accelerate yet.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I don't think well and objectively, they were trying to
change their entire personality.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It had been built around Derrick Henry. That offensive line
didn't have to be elite with Derek Henry back there
because he could hit anything and make his own holes
in many cases. So last year, I don't know what
was easy to take a good, in depth look at
the Titans and not acknowledge the fact that their personality
for so many years was gone. Now Kim word comes in.
(23:55):
They're modernizing their offense. They're going to be a passing team,
so it might two years. They've got to get some players.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Everybody talks about identity not all teams have an identity.
For years under a vaybel with Derrek Hendrick defense, they
had an identity, and it's sometimes harder to change your
franchise when you're coming from a clear identity, because now
you've got to be something different.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, they were always a team, going back to Eddie
George in the day, that beat you up at the
line of scrimmage because they would punish you with their
big backs, and they just don't.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Have that guy right now.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Talked a little bit about the offensive line, but diving
into that a little bit, we're gonna see jac Latham
is moving to right tackle this year. They brought in
Dan Moore from the Steelers whole play left tackle, and
then just in terms of you know, Lloyd Cushionberry who
they signed injuries for them, there's not a ton of
depth there on the offensive line, so that could be
an issue as well as they've shared up maybe the
(24:46):
starting five, but that's if they say the starting tis Well.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
The good news for them is that their quarterback is
very mobile. If you watched Miami at all last year,
you understand he's not a run first quarterback by any means,
but he's a guy who can extend the pocket and
stay alive to make throws, and he certainly has the
power in the arm to get that done. But again,
when you talk about the personality of the Titans, it
was always set up front with their offensive line, and
they're going to have to figure out, you know who, what,
(25:10):
we're when and why.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Ye and I'm drawing a blank. He was there for
a long time.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
They had a couple of linemen even with Henry, who
were sort of the spokesman for their team. Well, Taylor
Lewan was yeah, good, So I was trying to think
of so they were really the identity. And since those
guys have sort of declined and left again, we know
from around here how hard it can be for a
franchise when it's trying to find that footing, to find it,
(25:36):
and they still feel like a franchise that is in
the process of finding their footing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
When we talk about that. Obviously, we've seen some changes here.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They got a new GM over the off season in
Mike Bergonzi.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
They fired Ran Carthon.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Obviously, Brian Callahan's going to be in his second season,
But again, how much leash will he be getting.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Obviously he's got his quarterback now.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But you know a lot of people are impatient in football,
so he may be on the here as well.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Brand Yeah, you know, because the general manager did not
bring him in. But Callahan is a guy who has
been well thought of, so I think they'll give him
some time, especially with the quarterback coming in as a rookie.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Calvin Ridley is still there
down the field threat and we've seen him each of
the last two seasons. He's not Brian Thomas Junior. I mean,
(26:21):
it's not like you're giving this young quarterback a legitimate
number one weapon, So I think they're gonna have to
give him some time to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Yeah, and again, we don't cover the Titans, so it's
hard to know the absolute specific dynamics of a franchise
unless you're around it. But I know they're not used
to being at the bottom. Nobody wants to be used
to being at the bottom. But when you're sort of
used to getting better quickly, which they are, that makes
you wonder. You know, it's a project with a with
(26:51):
a rookie quarterback, but is there thought within the franchise. Hey,
we get that it's a project, but we still need
to get to seven or eight and show something, or
do they believe, Hey, we know with the project that
we may have one more year of drafting at the top.
I don't know what the answers are there. Patience in
the NFL has changed since I started covering at ninety five,
(27:12):
just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Just a little bit more impatient.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Says here will tell you what's coming up the rest
of the week.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Let's go back to the start.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
You know, it's a big upside, dude, basically.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
Saying, Hey, one of the trademarks of our leadership group
is that when there's an opportunity to be bold, we
won't flinch.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:47):
I don't know that there was much expectation as much
as it was just curiosity. People will learn pretty quick
once we start making legit decisions that we know what the.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
James game to leave and iris who was after him?
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Maybe he says, you think about maybe bring your phone
call the.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Cleveland Regardless of how things fall, well, I love in
a position to be better tomorrow than award today.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Pretty much immediately, at least in my mind's on why not?
Speaker 9 (28:12):
The night's still good for the same timing executing it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It wasn't at our mercy, but there was confidence that
it wouldn't be able to get done.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
A lot of people said, bell boy, you gave it
a lot. My response is did we We got the
best player? That time will tell me it was a
small price to pay.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Let's make history.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Let's girl fear of the unknown.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
That can be an inhibitor.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
Misgiving thumbs up on ours.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
In the moments that I didn't take action out of
fear I had looked back at and regretted.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Hey, Travis is James Gladstone with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
How you doing for the rest of my life when
there's an opportunity for me to face fear that challenge?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Because you're the one we've been hunting up the best
a bit.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
I'm hopeful that that brings with it positive results, but
only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
The latest piece of cinema from the Hunt sing here
at Jaguars Productions, all behind the scenes and a little
bit of how it came to be the trade up
for Travis Hunter. We've got some very cool access into
that and kind of hearing them talk behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
That new episode came out last week. If you haven't
checked it out.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You definitely want to kind of see the inner workings
of how things can been going with new GM James Gladstone.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
The more you hear, the more that you watch the
behind the scenes stuff, the more that you understand the
way that he and Biselli and Cohen think and work together.
The more excited it is, the more easy it is
to be excited about what's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Yeah, we've made this point on this show, and you're
exactly right, So I'll go a different direction.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
I think maybe fans who.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Watch the Hunt might get a little spoiled and not
realize how ridiculously transparent this is. I don't know if
this is the way the league's going, but I know
for Jaguars fans, and I'm saying all this to credit
the front office for allowing this.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Sort of access. It's really cool.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
There's nothing wrong with it that this league has not
always been a league where front offices want to let
fans behind the scenes. It's really good stuff, and don't
think that you're seeing it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
This is unique, very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
All Right, the rest of the week, a couple more OTAs,
and then we're gonna hear from the coaching that some
of the new coaches later on this Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Brian, that's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's always like a unique experience we have this kind
of roundtable experience with the media is able to talk
to some of the position coaches and learn a little
bit about them.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's a relationship business, and you don't build relationships with
these guys until you get to talk to them, and
we really haven't had much of an opportunity to get
to know them at all in a relaxed setting, So
it'll be interesting to find out which guys.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Really enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
You know, who's the most candid, right, who's the one
that's going to tell you what you didn't expect? And
those guys fun.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Nothing better than talking to the offensive line coach.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
John loves an offensive coach conversation, so be sure to
bring you the latest on that. And we will be
back for our final show before training camp next week
on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
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