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November 12, 2025 12 mins

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In this episode, Ron and Gregg open up a bit more. We sharing some stories that get into the harder side of anxiety and suffering. They’re honest, sometimes uncomfortable, but also very real. And they help us see that even in those darker places, there’s room for learning, growth, and—ultimately—wisdom.

So as you listen, think about the moments in your own life when you’ve struggled, or felt overwhelmed, and how those experiences might have shaped you. Because that’s really what this conversation is about—finding the threads of wisdom woven through our suffering and uncertainty.

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