July 30, 2025 • 58 mins
Holy Multimedia Event, Batman!Join hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell with special guests Andy Nelson and Kyle Olson as they dive deep into Tim Burton's groundbreaking Batman (1989)—recorded live at the 2025 Phoenix Fan Fusion! This wasn't just a movie—it was a cultural phenomenon that changed everything we thought we knew about comic book adaptations.Michael Keaton's Controversial Casting & PerformanceThe hosts discuss the massive fan backlash when Michael Keaton was cast as the Dark Knight, fresh off his comedic role in Beetlejuice. Thousands of angry letters poured in, but Keaton proved everyone wrong with his brooding, murderous take on Batman that shocked audiences expecting the campy 1960s TV version.Jack Nicholson's Iconic JokerFrom his pre-accident mob boss persona to his chemical-scarred transformation, Nicholson's Joker became the gold standard for Batman villains. The podcast explores his elaborate makeup process, brilliant branding schemes, and surprisingly sympathetic balloon scene that made audiences feel bad for Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime.Tim Burton's Dark Gothic VisionBurton created a Gotham City so grimy and noir it felt like 1970s New York at its worst. The hosts praise the film's revolutionary approach to superhero storytelling—taking the genre seriously for the first time since Superman while establishing the template for modern comic book movies.Other Topics Covered:• The film's massive $411 million box office success and cultural impact• Batman's surprisingly murderous methods compared to modern interpretations• The practical challenges of the original Batsuit (couldn't turn his head!)• Prince's soundtrack and the unprecedented multimedia marketing blitz• Behind-the-scenes studio mandates including the bell tower finale• Robin Williams casting controversy and Hollywood politics• Vicki Vale's problematic romance subplot and 80s dating culture• The film's influence on superhero movie merchandising• Comparing different Batman actors across generationsFinal VerdictAll four hosts give Burton's Batman a solid 8 out of 10, praising its entertainment value, groundbreaking tone, and lasting influence while acknowledging some dated elements. This episode proves why Batman (1989) remains the definitive Dark Knight for an entire generation of fans.Subscribe to The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast for more deep dives into the decade's greatest films!
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And today we're talking about Batman, a movie selection from.
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Nineteen eighty nine, about which Google says, eventually, having witnessed
his parents brutal murder, as a child, millionaire for the
philanthropist Bruce Wayne played by Michael Keaton, fights crime in
Gotham City disguised as Batman, a costume hero who strikes
(01:15):
fear into the heart of villains disguised disguised as a Batman,
But when a deformed madman who calls himself the Joker
played by Jack Nicholson, seeses.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Control of Gotham's criminal underworld.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Batman must face his most ruthless nemesis ever while protecting
both his identity and his love interest, reporter Vicky Vale
played by Kim Basinger.
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But we're here to talk about Batman from nineteen eighty nine.
This is a particular favorite of mine.
Speaker 13 (06:10):
I'm a huge fan of Tim Burton, I'm a huge
fan of Michael Keaton, and this was just such a
treat for me as a kid.
Speaker 19 (06:19):
I remember seeing it in the theater, I remember being
obsessed with it and running around at the Punch Team
kicking things.
Speaker 20 (06:25):
What about for you to man Man, Oh yeah, for sure,
Like this one in particular, like this, this kind of
hit me in that.
Speaker 10 (06:32):
Sweet spot of like twelve years old, thirteen years old,
and like this was like the first at least for me.
I mean, there was Superman like ten eleven years before that,
but this was like the.
Speaker 20 (06:45):
First time because at this point it was just you know,
at least on visual media other than my comic posts.
Speaker 11 (06:53):
It was Adam West, it was bad Man, you know,
and then there was like the Batman and the cartoons.
Speaker 10 (06:59):
But this was the first time that superheroes were given
kind of like the serious.
Speaker 11 (07:03):
Treatment outside of Superman.
Speaker 12 (07:06):
But I mean I kind of feel like there's Superman
and Batman columns for people.
Speaker 20 (07:11):
In his under degrees of like basically like it's like
that meme is like the really happy bright kid and
then the goth girl next, Yeah that was me.
Speaker 10 (07:22):
That go girl and it's a dark, smeared eyeliner, and.
Speaker 21 (07:27):
So yeah, I hadn't seen like the Frank Miller Batman,
but this was the first time.
Speaker 10 (07:33):
It's like, here's an action and dark, serious Batman, and
it was like for a kid who.
Speaker 11 (07:40):
Had never seen anything like that. It was just like
a revelation and it was like, yes, I'm all about
this now.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (07:47):
I remember when it came out as well. It was
the first thing that I remember being not Star Wars.
That was an event that wasn't just you go through
the movie, you enjoy the movie, You're done with it.
Speaker 11 (07:58):
It was the real times.
Speaker 14 (08:00):
It was the commercials, it was the Princes album. It
was a full multi media event. Yeah, it was all
we talked about for like all summer. It was all
it was that I still have the tickets stuff. Yeah,
and I went still too, I know, I still I
went still have like because there was a whole set
of the Collector cuffs, the thirty two cuffs.
Speaker 10 (08:18):
I got all the different chacs. I also have the
Dick Tracy tickets. I think the same summer, yet not
as fond as that say you had you had an
open any nice you Actually.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It was.
Speaker 11 (08:30):
It was huge when the movie came out.
Speaker 15 (08:32):
I mean, you know, MG had like they were getting
away that y all these things, and it was for
me at sixteen years old.
Speaker 11 (08:41):
It was the first movie that I went to you
it was like a mid nice screaming and that is
so exciting. It was like the sold out experience and when.
Speaker 10 (08:51):
Crowd was just a latter it was just alive a lover.
Speaker 15 (08:55):
Yeah, because you're cloy, I'm you're here that listen to
what I was talking about it.
Speaker 11 (09:02):
But there's a scene where that bruise still. There's where
Bruce is talking.
Speaker 16 (09:08):
To Aldred about Petty Yale and and Bruce is like, yeah,
I don't know, and h and Alpha says like we
like I can't remember exactly what it works on, but
it's just like.
Speaker 10 (09:20):
Roll she she does, she kind of like ruts off
the place, she writes.
Speaker 11 (09:24):
Up the place and son in the audience so seas
out still learn it in my head. And it's just
like that when I came out, like these types.
Speaker 15 (09:35):
Of streams broke us out, and like he's Eleborate of
Vider re opening my crazy Browns and that's like this
movie really kind of represents that.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
Ran the way. That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So this movie starts kind of a funny way. We
follow a little family as.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
The dad like, well, we think we're getting the Batman origin.
Speaker 11 (09:59):
It's yea.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It is an bating switch because it's the mom and
the dad and they are pulling the sun along, but
they are just stumbling through the crowds and he's like,
I know the way, follow me, and he's like gaslighting his.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Whole family as he drafts them through the city, and
of course.
Speaker 22 (10:17):
They get attacked and bugged and then the mothers it's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Got them and got them in this movie is like
so trashy.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
Tracking all the Gothams is a series.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Don't have any pictures of Gotham.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
No, that's the closest the Flugelheide Museum of Gotham.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But yeah, Gotham is trash.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
It's the way is like, it's like nineteen seventies New York.
Speaker 22 (10:48):
Yes, yeah, So the little muggers sit around and they
have a little pow wow and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They're like the bet he doesn't exist, and then he
floats it.
Speaker 13 (11:02):
And so Michael Heaton couldn't hear in his batsuit, so
he couldn't he couldn't turn his head and he couldn't
hear anything.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So can you imagine like trying to fight crime while
you can't hear.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Anything and can't turn your head, like just for a moment,
cover your ears.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Like Christian Vale was the first batman who turned his
head who can.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, we solved that problem.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
It took until Christian Bale to solve that problem.
Speaker 20 (11:31):
I think problem though I don't think he got I
think it was the second movie when he changed his suit, right,
because it was.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
Still like one giant, huge.
Speaker 11 (11:43):
How issue in all these movies.
Speaker 13 (11:47):
It just has to be that striking profile, right, and
it doesn't it it's still holds up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Look at that profile the egg.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
So he beats up the others and tell her friends
about me, And.
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Then I realized that later just got hell a little bit.
Speaker 10 (12:10):
When the joke, when the Joker goes on a tear,
he has nothing.
Speaker 21 (12:14):
It's like he basically starts twating smiles like a chemical
that makes people look like him, and it spreads the word.
Speaker 10 (12:22):
He's literally not being anything in front of it. Right,
they're both obsessed with brand building.
Speaker 23 (12:30):
Yeah, that's.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Literally because at.
Speaker 14 (12:35):
The beginning, like Batman still knew, like there's rumors about him,
like the cops don't even know if he exists.
Speaker 10 (12:42):
Like when Gordon sees an age, he says it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Oh, yll yeah, but it's not it's not really an
origin story. Like when I need to story, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Not the other Batman's that will get down the line
where we have to tell the whole story of the
parents getting murdered.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And the.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Guy orders though, right, but he's still relatively you on
the scene.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
Yeah, it seems like this is early in his career.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
Yeah, it's the ya trying to get the word enough.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's got to get his name out then, so that
people know what to fear.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Did you guys notice that Later we go to Harvey
Dent and like the city mayor and they're all talking
about how the Festival of the City is going to
go on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And everyone in the whole world is smoking.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Nine Like you just wouldn't see that today, Like they're
smoking in the elevator, they're smoking in the town hall
lobby and it just like I don't.
Speaker 18 (13:40):
Know why, but it shocks me and easy because we
watch to see people just like openly, like the Ghostbusters
are chain smoking and stuff.
Speaker 10 (13:48):
It's crazy.
Speaker 14 (13:50):
Think it would have already shifted, but no, it really isn't.
There's still I mean, they're smoke coming from everywhere in Gotham.
Thought like every event is seeming trash.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, the whole air.
Speaker 24 (14:04):
Yeah, it's interesting though, Like so this is Timberton ran
after Beetle Juice.
Speaker 10 (14:09):
Yeah, in theaters while they were filming.
Speaker 14 (14:13):
I looked up the timing of it and like, yeah,
like Michael Katy was probably still out promoting Beetle.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
Juice because theaters live in things for a long time
while they.
Speaker 14 (14:22):
Were shooting this, because this was like when they started
shooting it in like October, and Beatles just had to
just come out.
Speaker 10 (14:26):
Like a couple of months earlier.
Speaker 14 (14:28):
Wow, it's wild to me to think that everyone was
thinking of him as Beetle Juice while he was running
around and that.
Speaker 13 (14:35):
Yeah, right, that's why they didn't want him, because they
saw him This is silly ext the comedy star.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
Yeah, this is like one of those gurdy like creatternet campaigns,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thousand letters and they were handing letters. Can you imagine
this is.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
The last he took paper to be Like, not.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My Batman, Michael King's I love.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
But he's not bad.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, but he's he's my favorite Batman, I have to say,
I think still.
Speaker 23 (15:16):
I think just because I grew up with him, he's
who I think of as Batman, you know.
Speaker 13 (15:21):
And even in that terrible Flash movie that came out,
I was so excited, like.
Speaker 14 (15:31):
He's great, Like he's great, he's a great performer's great
human meaning Brandy, but he's this Batman is a really
bad at being Batman.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
He knocked down and knocked out and knocked unconscious so
many times in this movie. That yeah, exactly by a
guy with a pistol.
Speaker 14 (15:55):
Like.
Speaker 11 (15:59):
It was said, there's the ladies.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was really surprised that the bat plane didn't have
tallers for.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
More than one of the ledge exactly exactly. That was
a good bar.
Speaker 21 (16:12):
But I guess that that asked asked the question, there's
some actors who we've not had a several Badman severals.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
And like five four or five.
Speaker 10 (16:25):
You know, so who do you so?
Speaker 14 (16:27):
I feel like Michael this some people who do Bruce
Weighing really really well and some people.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Who do Batman really well and not always.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
The same person, you know, So who do you think
doess Way the best?
Speaker 11 (16:43):
And then who does Batman the best? So well, this
lash is like do we prefer how do we brew?
Speaker 25 (16:54):
Do we want.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 10 (16:58):
How real do you his trauma to be?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know?
Speaker 10 (17:03):
Because yeah, I love that man.
Speaker 11 (17:05):
He's probably the most probably yeah yeah.
Speaker 25 (17:09):
Yeah, like yeah, literal not taking showers is not likely
to make up a face, not any of you hear
about that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I was going I was going to ask that.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
I was going to ask that because then I know
we're gonna get to it more. But like I have
to have the last few Christy persons the rest of
jail with an answer too. Is Jack Nicholson sexy in
this movie? Like, I know he's the joker, he's crazy
and all catch stuff, but like he was a sex
symbol at this time, like in the People magazine. Second
(17:44):
d you're a competition, Like is he because I don't know,
he is not sexy in this movie.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think in terms of sexy jokers. Do you go
if he bled her?
Speaker 26 (17:57):
Yes, you're like, I can fix this cloning just so,
just so I know where you're ready to get his Yeah,
my boys, sorry.
Speaker 11 (18:09):
But no, I'm not into.
Speaker 10 (18:12):
Jack as a character. But no, he's not sexy to
me in my eyes.
Speaker 11 (18:18):
Yeah, I feel that this Jack Nicholson is the closest
to the departed.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Is like filmography, like he starts off as a gangster. Yes, yeah,
you had like an enforcer and a gangster.
Speaker 25 (18:30):
Yeah, And this is one of those movies that I've
seen so many times, like I memorize, like the sound
effects and like a bench of people's voices death.
Speaker 24 (18:38):
But I haven't seen it in like twelve, thirteen, fourteen years,
so it's really interesting to see some of this stuff
that I totally missed as a younger person.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
In late twenty thirty.
Speaker 19 (18:54):
So that was.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
And to now see him with these the.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Fresh modern not So, what's what's an example of something
that you that you saw and you were.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Like you because I can think of at least what
I got one too. Okay, you guys, go first, you
haven't on deck.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
Batman straight out and murdered us.
Speaker 14 (19:14):
Like there's this whole thing of like when like the
sixteenth Batman said to you, and there's and.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
You know, like the first it looks like he lets
people live. Yeah, you think of it like he's like, oh,
he's dangling people and he's hanging.
Speaker 14 (19:25):
People, okay, and then he rolls the battle wheel into
the enemy nations and.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
Drops a bomb like they're dead.
Speaker 27 (19:31):
That's the wheels. Yeah, and from then on it's just
like dropping the people off of roofs. And I'm not
using to grab on the ketchup. I was like, oh,
he's actually murder I set my machine guns. Yeah, he's
got to giant machine gun mounted, like, oh yeah, they're.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Just for opening doors. Wake Like I had sort.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Of forgotten that because, like you watch a kid, you're like, yeah,
Batman get the bad guys, and now.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
Like, oh, yeah, he's just he's just the punisher. He's
just murdering people. But it's not like he's doing it
like hats No, he's murdered in nineteen.
Speaker 24 (20:06):
Eighty nine tibur right a, Yeah, he's less murdering than
the ben Affleck.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
That's true. Yes, that's where it's actually just actually putting up.
Speaker 23 (20:15):
She gets to the feel yet, Yeah, they're just sleeping, Kyle,
I'm just sleeping rubber It.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
Was a rubber bomb. Yeah, long tile, that's what it
takes to living in the city.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So the part that really.
Speaker 22 (20:30):
Jumped out of me, that made me create a whole
lot was when.
Speaker 19 (20:33):
He's first rescuing the email front of The Joker after
the museum scene, and he asks.
Speaker 22 (20:42):
Her how much do you weigh, to which she replies, one,
eight pounds, that's not what.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
A humans weigh. So you're saying he should have already
had twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Five pounds, does that?
Speaker 10 (20:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So he assums her beating away. He resses her, and.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
Then later he's like, which can't take it away?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But no, no human woman?
Speaker 22 (21:08):
Who's so it's just such a rude question, Batman And
then you know, did little shitting her about it afterwards.
Speaker 10 (21:20):
To ask curiosity.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
If he asked me by way and I told him,
would you just be like, well, good luck to you.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Grapple I'm grappling up. He's like, you're distracted homing back.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's not rescuing any plus size damn class in this movie.
So yeah, that was the part that really jumped out.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
I mean, does he rescue anyone other than victim? It
feels like this giant sy' is supposed to be like
eight million people or whatever. There's light ten people. It's
something to see them.
Speaker 11 (22:00):
His neck doesn't turn it in this booker, he's like.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He's holding his gun out to the side and he's
just with the eyes. The eyes are all the way
over as far as they can get, because that's all.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
It's so cool though.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
That was so cool.
Speaker 19 (22:19):
Yeah, So we do get an origin story dog Sary,
did you think of one?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
No?
Speaker 10 (22:26):
Very good?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So we do get an origin story of the Joker
in this movie though, where.
Speaker 18 (22:31):
He gets shot and dropped into a vat of chemicals
and we get that iconic scene where he goes to.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The plastic surgeon and the plastic.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Surgeon's like, well, I don't know what you wanted me
to do, but.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
My question is did the plastic surgeon make the smile?
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Well he said all the nerves were already cut. I
don't know. Okay, the origin smile is Jack Navieer tries
to shoot Batman.
Speaker 14 (22:58):
Batman deflex the bullet with his wants, ricochets off a
wall and it hits him in the face and then.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
He falls into chemicals and somehow from that he gets
he got like a spray of chemicals before he went
because first yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:12):
Okay, so yeah, he was all kind of bloody, and I.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
Know, I know came theme was back of him. There's
a big thing with a lot and then he covers it.
We know we never see it before. Yeah we're yeah, right,
but yeah, I just wanted to see it.
Speaker 11 (23:30):
I mean, as a classic.
Speaker 14 (23:33):
He did a lot of words.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Yea holes in you pay a lot to stop.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But so we talked about him not being sensated.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
What do you guys think of the Jack Nickleson Joker,
Because Jack Pickleson need a lot of money in this movie,
and then he was sort of the like big iconic.
Speaker 24 (24:04):
Like well this this movie really set the parting in
terms of big actress salaries to else.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
Yeah, so in terms of in terms of like.
Speaker 21 (24:14):
How this like affected the industry and how it affected
like another Batman movies, like so there was that was
one of the biggest debrees because his his deal was
on the back end. I had a ton of money,
and he also got a ton of money the video
of sales.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Yeah, that's where that money is.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Then, like, yeah, I was there by day one to
buy VHS and I want we're out that casset.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
Like I have probably watched the other times.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Don't even what you don't remember. We didn't get to
watch it everyone over time.
Speaker 14 (24:48):
We had to go and buy the movie and actually
put it in. And then when I fished he had
never winded it had to play a gift and.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
They were out.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
This says that he is he took home around sixty million, which,
adjusting for inflation, equals roughly one hundred.
Speaker 10 (25:04):
And forty four one hundreds.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Two thousand and two AM sorry, twenty twenty two. So
it's about us set.
Speaker 21 (25:16):
Can you imagine like.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
For like, sorry man.
Speaker 21 (25:21):
It Also it also warms my heart that he genuinely
loved the expot to it.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
But that's like you was screening it for people a house.
Speaker 14 (25:30):
Yeah, and because I continued and to this day's still
saying how much he loved it, how much you ding it?
Speaker 10 (25:36):
And I think he did a great cham of chewing
the scenery.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Yes, he is so charismatic, but.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Like what I'm watching it is like, Wow, that's.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Jack Nichols and the joy that's true.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Whereas you know with he's led hers, like wow.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
That's the joker, that's true. You a great job of
the face.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Yeah, the list fit that Jack in his face and
it really works well.
Speaker 11 (26:04):
That holds up.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean it's still even now, like it's he
could he could emote, he could perform.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
But still has that stream. But yeah, you know it's
not out.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
Of purist interpretation.
Speaker 15 (26:17):
It's like Gemmie Hackman has like LUTHORI it's it's a
fantastic version of the two in the middle.
Speaker 20 (26:24):
It's it's it's yeah, but it is definitely Jack Nicholson
as a joker.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Yeah, he gets more screens.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that brilliant part where he's like in the museum. Well,
I love they give him this makeup too, because he's
wearing the white.
Speaker 19 (26:39):
Make up with the red lips and the greening hair,
and he tries to like humanize to go out.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Into public, and so he kind of puts on flush
coloring up and color covers his hair, but then he
has to wipe that off or it gets splashed in
his face and then it runs off.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
And so they had to.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Float the flesh alert make up above his white made
up with grease, which is like so cool and.
Speaker 24 (27:08):
Gross, but even such a technical challenge to do the
two layers, like literally it was two layers of.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
Makeup and one type that could be removed. And also
here's another thing.
Speaker 20 (27:19):
He was allergic to spirit gup, which is the glue
that you used for that face makeup.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So yeah, he's allergic to spirit. They had to do
something else. Yeah, yeah, they had to just lick it
and stick it.
Speaker 13 (27:38):
But there's that part where he's like, there's two parts
that I really loved of this joker.
Speaker 19 (27:43):
When the one was there after the museum heist, and
he's like, whereas he can get those wonderful.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Toys, I'm just like, there are you.
Speaker 14 (27:58):
Have? So I don't understand the timeline of this movie
because he goes from like gangster to getting full plastic
surgery to having people with logos on his on the
jacket and like cars.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Decorated gun like this is like it supposedly happens over
like a week.
Speaker 14 (28:17):
Like his brand was really fast again, his street team
was on fire because like by the end of the movie,
he's got colored balloons and everybody is already decked out
right fanantic satin jackets.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
They's all like at our gallery.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
They all seem to know how to beat him as
a medium. Yeah, so there's obviously Ben's sons sort of
like meeting or right like a weekend, he's got that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He's got that whole bankot room wearing fries, the guy.
Speaker 18 (28:48):
And the buzzer and hand and buzzer, and he's not
the whole conference room at his finger tips.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So why do I use it for recruitman purposes? Disgusted
rand issue. They certainly have their colorway figured out.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
Yeah, but yeah, this was the time, I think and
this is I think this was a carryover from the
Adams Batman, which is the mind.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Of those minions was all dressed the same.
Speaker 16 (29:16):
Yes, and I think it's kind of related to how
we I think there's a lot of connective tissue between
this and James Bond.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
Yeah, I was thinking of the same thing.
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Yeah, because not only you've got the villain of Mastermind
who has the Midians and they almost be identical, but
then you've also got.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
The hero who encounters who has a new love interest
each food.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
And so this is kind of what we has are
reoccurring superhero heroes and all gases.
Speaker 11 (29:47):
Yeah, Sastin Martin, which is a bat. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
Yeah, there's a lot, especially Roger war Model DNA and this.
Speaker 15 (29:57):
A lot of the lot of that actually interesting hurt
h west End or another superhero years at that time year.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
He's kind of laughing, but he definitely was pretty Yes.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
I mean they're just very much as an octopusy sort of.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Across every time.
Speaker 13 (30:16):
I didn't love the heart to where he's losing his balloons,
which where did he get those balloon's mania, Who's sewing Lease?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And so many of these balloones and reading and photix fancusion.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
I believe that I didn't want pe could do it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But h and he's so sad when his balloons go away.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
He was like.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Balloon.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
He stole my balloons. I needed those balloons, and I
felt so bad for him, like genuinely, I was like,
he's just trying to make people smile.
Speaker 24 (30:49):
That well he got the huge wealth despairity, like everybody's
covered in and poor except.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
These millionaires who are taken out there whole.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Thing and come now.
Speaker 21 (31:03):
Having said that, though, I would love to live in
that world rather than our where.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
They just buy stuff. You'd rather they have parades, like
I understand this stuff.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
He doesn't have to be murdered in.
Speaker 24 (31:17):
This sitting right now, But if we had Batman and
jokers in our world, it just makes it's a little
more interesting.
Speaker 19 (31:26):
Yeah, he's not very I mean they say he's a
little thropic, but he lives in that big, giant mention.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
I love the scene.
Speaker 19 (31:34):
My favorite part probably is when they're having dinner at
the bank wood tables like this long yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And they're seated at each end of it, and she's like, can.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
I have the salt?
Speaker 14 (31:43):
What the salt?
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (31:47):
To burden you were, Yeah it is, I love it.
And he's like, you know what, I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Been in this room.
Speaker 19 (31:53):
So he's not exactly he's spreading in a wealthy round
the forest.
Speaker 28 (31:57):
Citizens of God if even e there's that bid with
a peg too, like he does he takes the pen
and does know what to do with it and he
sticks it in the flower pot and then after it
comes out and behind of it just picks it up
as if he's done this a hundred times.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
But I was like, is was that actually Bruce Wayne
being distracted?
Speaker 11 (32:12):
Or was he like playing the bit?
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Like there's this thing of like is it Batman pertaining
Bruce Rayne? There's a Bruce Wayne pertaining to be Batman
and it's.
Speaker 14 (32:22):
Me That's always the question is sort of like it
is Bruce Wayne the act because it's all like the
Batman by this he just seems like just kind of
a fuddled dude.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
He's charming, but I never know like is he's secretly like,
oh this is what Vicky expects from me, So this
is what I'm going to do. I'm gonna be the
eccentric weirdo.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
Well we get that the different Batman's right where it's
like trying to hear like how much do I have
to play this role?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
And how do we get like Christian as a whole?
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Like well, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 11 (32:55):
The like, yeah, he's sorry to hear this is this
is this version of the Bruce Wayne tried to hear
out how to be a normal person. I guess around
the other people.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (33:09):
One thing I really like though, we gotta gets because
it's a art design.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
There's not a.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Time eighties you know that's true.
Speaker 21 (33:18):
But I did really appreciate when he was like working
after the bat computer or I'm black her, and that
he had these really light down and like momcheese and.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Glasses. That's very steep jobs. Yeah, it worked for me.
I was into it. I was into his mom. Jeez.
Speaker 18 (33:39):
So what women did you guys think about the romance
between him and a minity mail Day.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
One of the two women in this movie.
Speaker 15 (33:46):
Yeah, when they have one day and then she's like.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
But I'm in love with you and he's like, well,
I'm in love with you too. Let me tell anyone
to see that identity.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Well, right before that he was gonna do it. Well,
maybe he went.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Over to her house and had a whole speech to
him and he was like a minute, you just like
that part seemed really missed.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
Her mom to be. Yeah, yeah, it's like why did she.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Can't you give it a weekend, you know, maybe.
Speaker 10 (34:20):
Go somewhere together and see.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
If it's going to work out.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, except your house on that one date we went on.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
It was the eighties, it was yeah. But this is
one of those things like, I mean, you have her
a sacred.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
Form telling her so early. It's like you don't have
to like, you know, at wherever.
Speaker 15 (34:41):
He's proposing earth and it's like, oh, in my way,
I have the side prop yea, and you need to know,
but we will probably you know the fact our emails, Yeah,
it's been offends a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And at the very end it does.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
She gets in the car with the opera and she's.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Like, most way's going to be to late, and she's like, no, really,
I know why.
Speaker 25 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (35:11):
He's on the top of the ceilings of the buildings
that you won't pay to refurbish.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
He just wants to hang out on top of that.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
He's I mean, I will say tying into that.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
You have to finish your hand off and.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
His and you have these songs to that man.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
Samgo places like that and you have all the swerves
just like what ask goes first and like that Masa
song it's just a shine and just I mean, it's
one of the reasons who plays myself?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And now I mean, besides that, Jude
found not a lot of people have feme songs like
a death disapoint I mean now seasons everybody gets a
theme song, but you don't have.
Speaker 14 (35:58):
That like because you're even now they were playing it
here Phoenix.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Fanc usual it's wait, wait, got it, it's planning all
the odd speakers and you know exactly what it is
that lingers like this.
Speaker 14 (36:09):
How from the entire DC extended universe, none of that
music really ever penetrated.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, probably the Superman Yeah, but yeah it's not.
But yes, but since then, yeah, I'm playing. Yeah, it's
like you know, I think I know the Zack.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
Snyder Justice League one.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
When I hear it, I started leading depressed. But but yeah,
but for different reasons, Yes, actually.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
For a lot of reason.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's Batman has one Batman a cage in his bat case.
Did he knows what he did?
Speaker 9 (36:50):
What did he do?
Speaker 11 (36:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:54):
One back?
Speaker 11 (36:54):
Why do you assume all animals?
Speaker 10 (36:57):
Yeah, that's that's paris.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh I see, So that that was outspreading radies to
the people have got them.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
Uh did you guys notice that when uh, Vicky Vail
his apartment and the Joker comes in as Bruce Wayne
is clumsily trying to.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Tell her that he's Batman.
Speaker 22 (37:19):
When Joker and Bruce Wayne fight, Vicky Vail grabs a
bowl of popcorn and starts eating him.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Is she's she's all.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
Of us in that one.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Eating her popcorn.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
But there's no scenery latitude, So no, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's the part where he's like, you want to get nuts,
Let's get nuts.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
That's one of my favorite quotes. So I just wanted
to bring that moment up. Uh. So we're not going
in any particular order, So I'll say we're just doing.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
We're it's a little bit chaos because we're here doing
it live a lot. Usually. I've seen all your faces
in the boxes, because.
Speaker 19 (38:05):
So what do you have that we have?
Speaker 10 (38:07):
I discussed, Yes, so I went in it to discussed
dunnest the age.
Speaker 24 (38:12):
Okay, okay, how said of that preface, I am so
into his gadgets.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
I was so into his gadgets.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Then me too.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But speaking of port Landing, like they built this whole
battle while and they were like, well, there's no way
to open it for.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Me to get in, and they're like right, right, right right,
what if the top slides off and they just got
a chainsaw, like the top slides.
Speaker 19 (38:41):
Off, But they're like not thinking ahead into the functionality.
Speaker 23 (38:46):
It does.
Speaker 21 (38:46):
Look Yeah, Battle Wheel is schools Gadget against the moors
because because it's armor.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Rode yeah yeah, ok, the corner store, yeah, and he's assistance,
So it does.
Speaker 21 (39:02):
In minn Is towards the end where they're finding the
belfrey and the guy starts flooking around.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
And he has extended he just fired it.
Speaker 11 (39:13):
It just goes out like this.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
It's it's like it's like a SIXD. It just pops up,
Like what was the intendant use of that?
Speaker 14 (39:21):
Like, like you because you built it, you plan to
have this, Like what did you think was going to happen?
Speaker 10 (39:27):
Because that even that is not a great use of
that because the guy's.
Speaker 14 (39:31):
Coming at it and it's just like you're hitting with
the end of a ruler, Like, I mean, it's a
metal but what does it supposed to be like to deflect?
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Yeah, that was that.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I feel like that was the cost that like it came.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
Into like shark repillons.
Speaker 14 (39:45):
Yeah, the other in that in that In that same fight,
there's a guy who jumps down at him and crashes
through the floor as like a gag. And you haven't
seen surprised man like, but aren't you supposed to be
like one with the night?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
And it's like, what was that good thing? Good thing
that didn't give me? It's a good as as the
friend bride has been doing it for maybe a year
at this point to.
Speaker 16 (40:14):
Be thinkin both us last.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Okay, so this is like the six months.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
Yeah, early early days.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Albert's pretty fretty easy with the information.
Speaker 10 (40:28):
He was fat man for being such a short time.
Speaker 18 (40:31):
He's like Alfred can't keep the secrets, that's right, figuring
out they have to be killed email and it'll be
like that A good idea told him we.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Never should have. She did way more than a day.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
That's why she's gonna go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I thought he had too many rattling huts, like rattling hooks?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Were there the uh solution to every problem that I
don't know?
Speaker 9 (41:04):
See it work?
Speaker 22 (41:07):
You need to do that.
Speaker 14 (41:08):
He will use a bad way once or twice. I
mean like it grapple thing all the time, but like
he has like a one click.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It comes out yeah, well, I mean he steals the
balloons like the bad plane.
Speaker 10 (41:24):
That's a good yeah that way. Yeah, what did you
think that was gonna be that? Because that was built
that you built it inside there?
Speaker 24 (41:35):
What the what was the intended use for the Well
that was the bad way you could deal with large balloons,
which which is not a big problem because he.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That one when he just released it over the ocean too.
So are we to believe that there.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Are like whales out of there?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
The big joke.
Speaker 14 (41:55):
Is just showing through that can't realize it's the joker
asked the questions where's he going those wonderful boys?
Speaker 10 (41:59):
Can he still don't know? Like even even if you
just consider there's four movies, that's the thing. We really
don't know where he gets those wonderful boys. We just
still sells them. But this wind he doesn't seem like
the mccatal type. Yeah, so he's not himself. No, I
don't see like Michael jem like the woe rolled up
with like you know, too many battle bile like we
(42:19):
just like to see Robber Patson later on.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
Well, this is my Christian roles name. We really need
to explain that left working in the base exactly.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
You have a guy guy.
Speaker 11 (42:34):
My imagine he's doing it is that wing because it
is so cool and I mean that moment.
Speaker 15 (42:40):
When shoots out of the sky at the front of
the moon is one of the coolest shots.
Speaker 11 (42:45):
Even though he said, right, whose first secutive?
Speaker 14 (42:49):
Does he actually part of this?
Speaker 22 (42:55):
But then.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's got maybe he's been fighting for.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
Years without the Bandman's too, was like, I need a
new angle.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And I don't know who cleaned up Who's not going
to clean up the badge?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And yeah, because he was just sitting there outside of
Bell Tower, presumably Bruce Wayne loved it.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
He did take it up.
Speaker 11 (43:18):
Is a pat of his good kind heart, you know,
clean up the streets.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, well Bruce Wayne volunteers.
Speaker 10 (43:24):
To, uh take care of that way.
Speaker 13 (43:30):
Also, when we get up into the Beltar the very
climax of the movie, we see how hard it is
for Batman to get out there.
Speaker 10 (43:37):
Joker is dropping.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Giant bells on him and the stairs aren't blowing.
Speaker 13 (43:42):
Out, and he's having itch to a jump and leave
and everything. But when we get up to the top,
there's no shortage of a karate ninja.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
There's like forty years goode out of them.
Speaker 10 (43:52):
That he has to dispatch.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
How did they all get out there? When did they
all get up there? Where did they come from? Nathan?
Speaker 25 (43:59):
You went in.
Speaker 13 (44:01):
What you're saying, you have a filmmaker must relay, So
that's coming soon.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
Yes, the Belfry. The Belfrey was the source of contention
of this. I read the making of this, and there
was some of the studio was like it.
Speaker 14 (44:21):
Has to end it on giant Belfrey, Like there's nothing
in the script about a cathedral and Belfrey and stuffing
too one it has to end there. So apparently Timberton
showed up and there they had built it, and then
it was like, oh okay, so now I gotta figure
out how you get from the parade to there.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
And so there's either apparently there's a whole thing.
Speaker 14 (44:39):
With them shooting it and Jack Nicholson is doing all
these things of like climbing up the stairs overever.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
He's like, why am I going up there? And it's like,
we'll tell you later because they had figured it out yet.
It was just shooting them going up there because they
had it. So I don't think there whatever was the answer.
Speaker 14 (44:53):
It was like when he gets up there to be
a big fight action sequence Okay, that could have happened
on the street.
Speaker 10 (44:58):
Like, there's really nothing except that you get a bat
in the belfry.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
One thing I didn't want to bring up to before
we move on to our deep part recommendations and our
ratings is that they actually, uh and you guys probably
know this because it's like.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
A famous story when they offered the role to the
Joker to Robin Williams.
Speaker 13 (45:27):
As a way of sort of tricking Jack Middleston into
saying yes.
Speaker 22 (45:34):
Because when they got Robin Williams to say yes, they
went back to Jack Nicholeston and said, well, you.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Know, Robin Williams is going to do it, and he
was like that I'm doing it.
Speaker 22 (45:44):
And Robin Williams was so hurt by it and he
didn't do any more bro those movies.
Speaker 10 (45:50):
For like years and years and years and years.
Speaker 29 (45:53):
And I feel so bad for Robin Williams and really
wanted to I'd just saying like he was he wouldn't
want to, really wanted to be the Riddler, and he
just never came together.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
It because they yeah, took carry even her Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Right, yeah, yeah, he's still really did you guys know
that story?
Speaker 9 (46:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (46:20):
I mean, there's a lot of names we're sort of
banning about too. Who would be Batman, would be Joker
and you could do you could do probably like an
old Pocket series Mom that the bat movies that did
not get made. There's a mean you go back, there's
there's at one point it was gonna be Bill Murray
and Eddie Murphy is Batman.
Speaker 8 (46:36):
And Robin.
Speaker 10 (46:38):
And honestly, like like there was incong paper about.
Speaker 14 (46:40):
That it was going to happen because like they were
still thinking of it from the sixties.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's gonna be sill. Yeah, that's worse than Nicholas Cage
is Superman.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Yeah, there was a Batman in space.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
There was.
Speaker 10 (46:52):
That was the one that there's a script for that
that was around for a while, and then finally.
Speaker 14 (46:56):
Someone convinced that it like what if we did it
serious and it wasn't camp It was a power sapp
and old chum and then and then here we go
and it worked out and it will never be a
funny Batman again. It works out out, but we will
never see a funny or comedic take on Batman in
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the movies ever.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
No flopped flip flop.
Speaker 10 (47:22):
Does that the term flopped stock flop.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Flip flipp people.
Speaker 23 (47:28):
I don't know the blue pop so on a scale
of one batjet to ten bats out.
Speaker 10 (47:39):
When he needs multiples.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Up, how many batjets do you get? Batman from nineteen
eighty nine?
Speaker 10 (47:46):
So I'm gonna go eight at Okay, I think it's
there's there's so so much that's cool about this, so
much that pulls up had ten not as much.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, it's taking two of it. You're taking too long,
you're taking two away. Yes, for the campiness, for the
dating news, and then a lot.
Speaker 24 (48:11):
Of this is like it's it's not as tall because
it's still in some ways figuring out.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
The serious serio movie.
Speaker 10 (48:17):
Yeah you know, so yeah, I'd go yeah, eight at
ten ten, what do you think that? Out of ten?
Speaker 14 (48:23):
Because I find it incredibly entertaining. It is really fun
to watch, and I'm not I love all the Batman's
so like, I don't have a thing about just being like, oh.
Speaker 10 (48:32):
He's not it's not as serious. It's not it's not
it's true to life. It's not any that I don't
I don't.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
Care about that.
Speaker 10 (48:37):
I just enjoy it.
Speaker 14 (48:38):
But it is very heavy on Jack Nicholson's very heavy
on timber and a very light on Batman when you
do the whole than the ratio of it.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
But I still sat down and watched the entire thing
through and could quote almost the entire movie. And it's
still at a really good time.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
So same accepted my fourteen year olds on the rocket
did not enjoy it.
Speaker 11 (48:59):
I was like, you're good.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I love this.
Speaker 10 (49:00):
This is the the Batman, this is a Batman from
when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
This is the might gonna keeps Batman. Oh the jumper
is so cool and you're gonna love it.
Speaker 10 (49:08):
He was like, mom, this is dorky.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
And I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 10 (49:14):
And it's dorky and he's like, I don't know, and he.
Speaker 11 (49:18):
Ditched me and we have never spoken to him again.
Speaker 14 (49:22):
So an very day I showed when she was about sixteen,
and she had not got quite a free little action,
but she.
Speaker 10 (49:29):
Was just like, yeah, it's fine. But I showed Baden
Returns and.
Speaker 11 (49:32):
She loved it.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
Yeah, Its like she was all right, Yeah, it's it's
full concentrated timber about that one.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
Yeah, they're letting him the run part with it.
Speaker 10 (49:49):
What's your reading.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
You?
Speaker 11 (49:51):
Probably nineteen night I saw it was probably attached.
Speaker 10 (49:55):
Yeah, absolutely, And I feel like.
Speaker 11 (49:57):
Over the years, you know, nine, eight. You know, I'm
gonna say eight, but it could be not.
Speaker 15 (50:03):
This is such an easy watch and just like you guys,
like it's burned into my marine watching this repeat lying,
after lying all that night.
Speaker 14 (50:12):
And after talk and friend songs, I don't even talking
about the pritisms.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, pretty song, sorry, pretty outstanding?
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Was this?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
This is the first time I remember there being like
an album.
Speaker 10 (50:27):
That was like pushed with the movie.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, but it was like, this is the first time
I was like, we gotta get the CD.
Speaker 14 (50:35):
You gotta get the protose was before this, right, yeah,
way before this?
Speaker 11 (50:45):
Yeah, so I mean that high end of the movie,
that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 21 (50:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Just for the sake of agreement, I'm gonna say eight.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
So we.
Speaker 18 (50:55):
All agree, happy comment because literally how to be batterings
and its.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
And so.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
The other thing that we do on this podcast is
we do in ad pod recommendation. So if you liked
Tim Burton's Batman, what was something that's a little bit
off the leading path that you might also enjoy?
Speaker 10 (51:18):
This is the most excellent eighties podcast. Do we have
to in the eighties or it doesn't have to be
from names.
Speaker 11 (51:24):
It doesn't even have to be a movie.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It doesn't have to be a movie. It can be TV,
it can be real life experience, it can be an.
Speaker 14 (51:31):
Okay, I would just because I thought it was something
that I want to make sure that it was within
the rules.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
So there was.
Speaker 14 (51:37):
An obscured nineties movie that very much tried to be
the Batman nineteen Nails You lay. It was called The
Phantom starting a building as a game.
Speaker 10 (51:47):
I a bashly love that movie. It is fantastic, but
it's trying so.
Speaker 14 (51:52):
Hard to be Batman, but it never is, but it
still is that it's still super fun, slamming.
Speaker 10 (51:58):
Equal what's the fantas.
Speaker 11 (52:01):
The Phantom?
Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, he's in It's it's Billy's saying a giant purple
suits carrying twining guns and that he's so committed to it.
Speaker 10 (52:10):
He's so cornball, and it's I find it admits watchful War.
That's the nineties movie.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, that's why I got sorry.
Speaker 11 (52:24):
I was not my superhero.
Speaker 10 (52:27):
What about you man? Yeah?
Speaker 22 (52:28):
No, thing is you're putting you on the spot because
you didn't know you would be a guest on this podcast.
Speaker 11 (52:35):
What is this superhero movie that I that people part
of this.
Speaker 15 (52:40):
I would call Dect that and I can't, and he
watches several times called and we always laughed.
Speaker 10 (52:48):
I can't argy it's actually any good, but a lot,
a lot it's way so blank. This is the plots
never sailing him off. Yeh, Daryl fashions.
Speaker 11 (53:01):
Boiling proof of overcook were of red long Dawn. So
blank Man a superhero.
Speaker 10 (53:06):
In Superpowers serials.
Speaker 15 (53:09):
Just like that man when the Blank Blacks prior by
Crusade causes the sapron c Metro's brother Kevin relax.
Speaker 11 (53:20):
Back it.
Speaker 10 (53:24):
Can you forget the power of Alan color?
Speaker 8 (53:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (53:31):
Anyway, I can't say.
Speaker 10 (53:32):
Series should I love it all right? So I guess
I feel like.
Speaker 11 (53:43):
There is a before iron Man and after iron Man
in terms of like the generations of super.
Speaker 24 (53:51):
Yah, in terms of superhero movies that I feel like
really still hold up, like really well, I had a Batman.
Speaker 12 (54:01):
But all the other ones before you, I would say,
it's spider Man two, not Super Deepicut, But I would.
Speaker 10 (54:07):
Say, if you haven't seen it in Forever, spider Man
two is the Nile is like is like a great
sam Landing one?
Speaker 28 (54:14):
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Yeah, what happens in Spider Man two?
Speaker 12 (54:20):
But The thing that makes Spider Man two so good
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lifting into her was his origin story, but the.
Speaker 11 (54:28):
Second one really is a better partner and just making
his life as bad as possible, and it just him.
It's time, it's it's it's the.
Speaker 20 (54:39):
Movie that has done to the best in terms of
how hard it is to be a superhero.
Speaker 10 (54:45):
Yeah, and it's also way funnier than frist Okay, so excellent.
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Nineteen eighty nine, about which Google says, eventually, having witnessed
his parents brutal murder, as a child, millionaire for the
philanthropist Bruce Wayne played by Michael Keaton, fights crime in
Gotham City disguised as Batman, a costume hero who strikes
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fear into the heart of villains disguised disguised as a Batman,
But when a deformed madman who calls himself the Joker
played by Jack Nicholson, seeses.
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Control of Gotham's criminal underworld.
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Batman must face his most ruthless nemesis ever while protecting
both his identity and his love interest, reporter Vicky Vale
played by Kim Basinger.
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But we're here to talk about Batman from nineteen eighty nine.
This is a particular favorite of mine.
Speaker 13 (06:10):
I'm a huge fan of Tim Burton, I'm a huge
fan of Michael Keaton, and this was just such a
treat for me as a kid.
Speaker 19 (06:19):
I remember seeing it in the theater, I remember being
obsessed with it and running around at the Punch Team
kicking things.
Speaker 20 (06:25):
What about for you to man Man, Oh yeah, for sure,
Like this one in particular, like this, this kind of
hit me in that.
Speaker 10 (06:32):
Sweet spot of like twelve years old, thirteen years old,
and like this was like the first at least for me.
I mean, there was Superman like ten eleven years before that,
but this was like the.
Speaker 20 (06:45):
First time because at this point it was just you know,
at least on visual media other than my comic posts.
Speaker 11 (06:53):
It was Adam West, it was bad Man, you know,
and then there was like the Batman and the cartoons.
Speaker 10 (06:59):
But this was the first time that superheroes were given
kind of like the serious.
Speaker 11 (07:03):
Treatment outside of Superman.
Speaker 12 (07:06):
But I mean I kind of feel like there's Superman
and Batman columns for people.
Speaker 20 (07:11):
In his under degrees of like basically like it's like
that meme is like the really happy bright kid and
then the goth girl next, Yeah that was me.
Speaker 10 (07:22):
That go girl and it's a dark, smeared eyeliner, and.
Speaker 21 (07:27):
So yeah, I hadn't seen like the Frank Miller Batman,
but this was the first time.
Speaker 10 (07:33):
It's like, here's an action and dark, serious Batman, and
it was like for a kid who.
Speaker 11 (07:40):
Had never seen anything like that. It was just like
a revelation and it was like, yes, I'm all about
this now.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (07:47):
I remember when it came out as well. It was
the first thing that I remember being not Star Wars.
That was an event that wasn't just you go through
the movie, you enjoy the movie, You're done with it.
Speaker 11 (07:58):
It was the real times.
Speaker 14 (08:00):
It was the commercials, it was the Princes album. It
was a full multi media event. Yeah, it was all
we talked about for like all summer. It was all
it was that I still have the tickets stuff. Yeah,
and I went still too, I know, I still I
went still have like because there was a whole set
of the Collector cuffs, the thirty two cuffs.
Speaker 10 (08:18):
I got all the different chacs. I also have the
Dick Tracy tickets. I think the same summer, yet not
as fond as that say you had you had an
open any nice you Actually.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
It was.
Speaker 11 (08:30):
It was huge when the movie came out.
Speaker 15 (08:32):
I mean, you know, MG had like they were getting
away that y all these things, and it was for
me at sixteen years old.
Speaker 11 (08:41):
It was the first movie that I went to you
it was like a mid nice screaming and that is
so exciting. It was like the sold out experience and when.
Speaker 10 (08:51):
Crowd was just a latter it was just alive a lover.
Speaker 15 (08:55):
Yeah, because you're cloy, I'm you're here that listen to
what I was talking about it.
Speaker 11 (09:02):
But there's a scene where that bruise still. There's where
Bruce is talking.
Speaker 16 (09:08):
To Aldred about Petty Yale and and Bruce is like, yeah,
I don't know, and h and Alpha says like we
like I can't remember exactly what it works on, but
it's just like.
Speaker 10 (09:20):
Roll she she does, she kind of like ruts off
the place, she writes.
Speaker 11 (09:24):
Up the place and son in the audience so seas
out still learn it in my head. And it's just
like that when I came out, like these types.
Speaker 15 (09:35):
Of streams broke us out, and like he's Eleborate of
Vider re opening my crazy Browns and that's like this
movie really kind of represents that.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
Ran the way. That's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So this movie starts kind of a funny way. We
follow a little family as.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
The dad like, well, we think we're getting the Batman origin.
Speaker 11 (09:59):
It's yea.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It is an bating switch because it's the mom and
the dad and they are pulling the sun along, but
they are just stumbling through the crowds and he's like,
I know the way, follow me, and he's like gaslighting his.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Whole family as he drafts them through the city, and
of course.
Speaker 22 (10:17):
They get attacked and bugged and then the mothers it's.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Got them and got them in this movie is like
so trashy.
Speaker 10 (10:28):
Tracking all the Gothams is a series.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Don't have any pictures of Gotham.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
No, that's the closest the Flugelheide Museum of Gotham.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But yeah, Gotham is trash.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
It's the way is like, it's like nineteen seventies New York.
Speaker 22 (10:48):
Yes, yeah, So the little muggers sit around and they
have a little pow wow and.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They're like the bet he doesn't exist, and then he
floats it.
Speaker 13 (11:02):
And so Michael Heaton couldn't hear in his batsuit, so
he couldn't he couldn't turn his head and he couldn't
hear anything.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So can you imagine like trying to fight crime while
you can't hear.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Anything and can't turn your head, like just for a moment,
cover your ears.
Speaker 10 (11:21):
Like Christian Vale was the first batman who turned his
head who can.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, we solved that problem.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
It took until Christian Bale to solve that problem.
Speaker 20 (11:31):
I think problem though I don't think he got I
think it was the second movie when he changed his suit, right,
because it was.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
Still like one giant, huge.
Speaker 11 (11:43):
How issue in all these movies.
Speaker 13 (11:47):
It just has to be that striking profile, right, and
it doesn't it it's still holds up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Look at that profile the egg.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
So he beats up the others and tell her friends
about me, And.
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Then I realized that later just got hell a little bit.
Speaker 10 (12:10):
When the joke, when the Joker goes on a tear,
he has nothing.
Speaker 21 (12:14):
It's like he basically starts twating smiles like a chemical
that makes people look like him, and it spreads the word.
Speaker 10 (12:22):
He's literally not being anything in front of it. Right,
they're both obsessed with brand building.
Speaker 23 (12:30):
Yeah, that's.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Literally because at.
Speaker 14 (12:35):
The beginning, like Batman still knew, like there's rumors about him,
like the cops don't even know if he exists.
Speaker 10 (12:42):
Like when Gordon sees an age, he says it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Oh, yll yeah, but it's not it's not really an
origin story. Like when I need to story, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Not the other Batman's that will get down the line
where we have to tell the whole story of the
parents getting murdered.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And the.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
Guy orders though, right, but he's still relatively you on
the scene.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
Yeah, it seems like this is early in his career.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
Yeah, it's the ya trying to get the word enough.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's got to get his name out then, so that
people know what to fear.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Did you guys notice that Later we go to Harvey
Dent and like the city mayor and they're all talking
about how the Festival of the City is going to
go on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And everyone in the whole world is smoking.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Nine Like you just wouldn't see that today, Like they're
smoking in the elevator, they're smoking in the town hall
lobby and it just like I don't.
Speaker 18 (13:40):
Know why, but it shocks me and easy because we
watch to see people just like openly, like the Ghostbusters
are chain smoking and stuff.
Speaker 10 (13:48):
It's crazy.
Speaker 14 (13:50):
Think it would have already shifted, but no, it really isn't.
There's still I mean, they're smoke coming from everywhere in Gotham.
Thought like every event is seeming trash.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, the whole air.
Speaker 24 (14:04):
Yeah, it's interesting though, Like so this is Timberton ran
after Beetle Juice.
Speaker 10 (14:09):
Yeah, in theaters while they were filming.
Speaker 14 (14:13):
I looked up the timing of it and like, yeah,
like Michael Katy was probably still out promoting Beetle.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
Juice because theaters live in things for a long time
while they.
Speaker 14 (14:22):
Were shooting this, because this was like when they started
shooting it in like October, and Beatles just had to
just come out.
Speaker 10 (14:26):
Like a couple of months earlier.
Speaker 14 (14:28):
Wow, it's wild to me to think that everyone was
thinking of him as Beetle Juice while he was running
around and that.
Speaker 13 (14:35):
Yeah, right, that's why they didn't want him, because they
saw him This is silly ext the comedy star.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
Yeah, this is like one of those gurdy like creatternet campaigns,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thousand letters and they were handing letters. Can you imagine
this is.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
The last he took paper to be Like, not.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My Batman, Michael King's I love.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
But he's not bad.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, but he's he's my favorite Batman, I have to say,
I think still.
Speaker 23 (15:16):
I think just because I grew up with him, he's
who I think of as Batman, you know.
Speaker 13 (15:21):
And even in that terrible Flash movie that came out,
I was so excited, like.
Speaker 14 (15:31):
He's great, Like he's great, he's a great performer's great
human meaning Brandy, but he's this Batman is a really
bad at being Batman.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
He knocked down and knocked out and knocked unconscious so
many times in this movie. That yeah, exactly by a
guy with a pistol.
Speaker 14 (15:55):
Like.
Speaker 11 (15:59):
It was said, there's the ladies.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was really surprised that the bat plane didn't have
tallers for.
Speaker 10 (16:06):
More than one of the ledge exactly exactly. That was
a good bar.
Speaker 21 (16:12):
But I guess that that asked asked the question, there's
some actors who we've not had a several Badman severals.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
And like five four or five.
Speaker 10 (16:25):
You know, so who do you so?
Speaker 14 (16:27):
I feel like Michael this some people who do Bruce
Weighing really really well and some people.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Who do Batman really well and not always.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
The same person, you know, So who do you think
doess Way the best?
Speaker 11 (16:43):
And then who does Batman the best? So well, this
lash is like do we prefer how do we brew?
Speaker 25 (16:54):
Do we want.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 10 (16:58):
How real do you his trauma to be?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know?
Speaker 10 (17:03):
Because yeah, I love that man.
Speaker 11 (17:05):
He's probably the most probably yeah yeah.
Speaker 25 (17:09):
Yeah, like yeah, literal not taking showers is not likely
to make up a face, not any of you hear
about that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I was going I was going to ask that.
Speaker 10 (17:24):
I was going to ask that because then I know
we're gonna get to it more. But like I have
to have the last few Christy persons the rest of
jail with an answer too. Is Jack Nicholson sexy in
this movie? Like, I know he's the joker, he's crazy
and all catch stuff, but like he was a sex
symbol at this time, like in the People magazine. Second
(17:44):
d you're a competition, Like is he because I don't know,
he is not sexy in this movie.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think in terms of sexy jokers. Do you go
if he bled her?
Speaker 26 (17:57):
Yes, you're like, I can fix this cloning just so,
just so I know where you're ready to get his Yeah,
my boys, sorry.
Speaker 11 (18:09):
But no, I'm not into.
Speaker 10 (18:12):
Jack as a character. But no, he's not sexy to
me in my eyes.
Speaker 11 (18:18):
Yeah, I feel that this Jack Nicholson is the closest
to the departed.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Is like filmography, like he starts off as a gangster. Yes, yeah,
you had like an enforcer and a gangster.
Speaker 25 (18:30):
Yeah, And this is one of those movies that I've
seen so many times, like I memorize, like the sound
effects and like a bench of people's voices death.
Speaker 24 (18:38):
But I haven't seen it in like twelve, thirteen, fourteen years,
so it's really interesting to see some of this stuff
that I totally missed as a younger person.
Speaker 11 (18:52):
In late twenty thirty.
Speaker 19 (18:54):
So that was.
Speaker 11 (18:56):
And to now see him with these the.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Fresh modern not So, what's what's an example of something
that you that you saw and you were.
Speaker 10 (19:04):
Like you because I can think of at least what
I got one too. Okay, you guys, go first, you
haven't on deck.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (19:12):
Batman straight out and murdered us.
Speaker 14 (19:14):
Like there's this whole thing of like when like the
sixteenth Batman said to you, and there's and.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
You know, like the first it looks like he lets
people live. Yeah, you think of it like he's like, oh,
he's dangling people and he's hanging.
Speaker 14 (19:25):
People, okay, and then he rolls the battle wheel into
the enemy nations and.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
Drops a bomb like they're dead.
Speaker 27 (19:31):
That's the wheels. Yeah, and from then on it's just
like dropping the people off of roofs. And I'm not
using to grab on the ketchup. I was like, oh,
he's actually murder I set my machine guns. Yeah, he's
got to giant machine gun mounted, like, oh yeah, they're.
Speaker 10 (19:48):
Just for opening doors. Wake Like I had sort.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Of forgotten that because, like you watch a kid, you're like, yeah,
Batman get the bad guys, and now.
Speaker 10 (19:55):
Like, oh, yeah, he's just he's just the punisher. He's
just murdering people. But it's not like he's doing it
like hats No, he's murdered in nineteen.
Speaker 24 (20:06):
Eighty nine tibur right a, Yeah, he's less murdering than
the ben Affleck.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
That's true. Yes, that's where it's actually just actually putting up.
Speaker 23 (20:15):
She gets to the feel yet, Yeah, they're just sleeping, Kyle,
I'm just sleeping rubber It.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
Was a rubber bomb. Yeah, long tile, that's what it
takes to living in the city.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So the part that really.
Speaker 22 (20:30):
Jumped out of me, that made me create a whole
lot was when.
Speaker 19 (20:33):
He's first rescuing the email front of The Joker after
the museum scene, and he asks.
Speaker 22 (20:42):
Her how much do you weigh, to which she replies, one,
eight pounds, that's not what.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
A humans weigh. So you're saying he should have already
had twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Five pounds, does that?
Speaker 10 (20:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So he assums her beating away. He resses her, and.
Speaker 14 (21:01):
Then later he's like, which can't take it away?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But no, no human woman?
Speaker 22 (21:08):
Who's so it's just such a rude question, Batman And
then you know, did little shitting her about it afterwards.
Speaker 10 (21:20):
To ask curiosity.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
If he asked me by way and I told him,
would you just be like, well, good luck to you.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Grapple I'm grappling up. He's like, you're distracted homing back.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
He's not rescuing any plus size damn class in this movie.
So yeah, that was the part that really jumped out.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
I mean, does he rescue anyone other than victim? It
feels like this giant sy' is supposed to be like
eight million people or whatever. There's light ten people. It's
something to see them.
Speaker 11 (22:00):
His neck doesn't turn it in this booker, he's like.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He's holding his gun out to the side and he's
just with the eyes. The eyes are all the way
over as far as they can get, because that's all.
Speaker 11 (22:17):
It's so cool though.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
That was so cool.
Speaker 19 (22:19):
Yeah, So we do get an origin story dog Sary,
did you think of one?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
No?
Speaker 10 (22:26):
Very good?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So we do get an origin story of the Joker
in this movie though, where.
Speaker 18 (22:31):
He gets shot and dropped into a vat of chemicals
and we get that iconic scene where he goes to.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The plastic surgeon and the plastic.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Surgeon's like, well, I don't know what you wanted me
to do, but.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
My question is did the plastic surgeon make the smile?
Speaker 10 (22:46):
Well he said all the nerves were already cut. I
don't know. Okay, the origin smile is Jack Navieer tries
to shoot Batman.
Speaker 14 (22:58):
Batman deflex the bullet with his wants, ricochets off a
wall and it hits him in the face and then.
Speaker 10 (23:04):
He falls into chemicals and somehow from that he gets
he got like a spray of chemicals before he went
because first yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:12):
Okay, so yeah, he was all kind of bloody, and I.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
Know, I know came theme was back of him. There's
a big thing with a lot and then he covers it.
We know we never see it before. Yeah we're yeah, right,
but yeah, I just wanted to see it.
Speaker 11 (23:30):
I mean, as a classic.
Speaker 14 (23:33):
He did a lot of words.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
Yea holes in you pay a lot to stop.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But so we talked about him not being sensated.
Speaker 13 (23:54):
What do you guys think of the Jack Nickleson Joker,
Because Jack Pickleson need a lot of money in this movie,
and then he was sort of the like big iconic.
Speaker 24 (24:04):
Like well this this movie really set the parting in
terms of big actress salaries to else.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
Yeah, so in terms of in terms of like.
Speaker 21 (24:14):
How this like affected the industry and how it affected
like another Batman movies, like so there was that was
one of the biggest debrees because his his deal was
on the back end. I had a ton of money,
and he also got a ton of money the video
of sales.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Yeah, that's where that money is.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Then, like, yeah, I was there by day one to
buy VHS and I want we're out that casset.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
Like I have probably watched the other times.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Don't even what you don't remember. We didn't get to
watch it everyone over time.
Speaker 14 (24:48):
We had to go and buy the movie and actually
put it in. And then when I fished he had
never winded it had to play a gift and.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
They were out.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
This says that he is he took home around sixty million, which,
adjusting for inflation, equals roughly one hundred.
Speaker 10 (25:04):
And forty four one hundreds.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Two thousand and two AM sorry, twenty twenty two. So
it's about us set.
Speaker 21 (25:16):
Can you imagine like.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
For like, sorry man.
Speaker 21 (25:21):
It Also it also warms my heart that he genuinely
loved the expot to it.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
But that's like you was screening it for people a house.
Speaker 14 (25:30):
Yeah, and because I continued and to this day's still
saying how much he loved it, how much you ding it?
Speaker 10 (25:36):
And I think he did a great cham of chewing
the scenery.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Yes, he is so charismatic, but.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Like what I'm watching it is like, Wow, that's.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Jack Nichols and the joy that's true.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Whereas you know with he's led hers, like wow.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
That's the joker, that's true. You a great job of
the face.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Yeah, the list fit that Jack in his face and
it really works well.
Speaker 11 (26:04):
That holds up.
Speaker 14 (26:05):
Yeah, I mean it's still even now, like it's he
could he could emote, he could perform.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
But still has that stream. But yeah, you know it's
not out.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
Of purist interpretation.
Speaker 15 (26:17):
It's like Gemmie Hackman has like LUTHORI it's it's a
fantastic version of the two in the middle.
Speaker 20 (26:24):
It's it's it's yeah, but it is definitely Jack Nicholson
as a joker.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Yeah, he gets more screens.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that brilliant part where he's like in the museum. Well,
I love they give him this makeup too, because he's
wearing the white.
Speaker 19 (26:39):
Make up with the red lips and the greening hair,
and he tries to like humanize to go out.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Into public, and so he kind of puts on flush
coloring up and color covers his hair, but then he
has to wipe that off or it gets splashed in
his face and then it runs off.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
And so they had to.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Float the flesh alert make up above his white made
up with grease, which is like so cool and.
Speaker 24 (27:08):
Gross, but even such a technical challenge to do the
two layers, like literally it was two layers of.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
Makeup and one type that could be removed. And also
here's another thing.
Speaker 20 (27:19):
He was allergic to spirit gup, which is the glue
that you used for that face makeup.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So yeah, he's allergic to spirit. They had to do
something else. Yeah, yeah, they had to just lick it
and stick it.
Speaker 13 (27:38):
But there's that part where he's like, there's two parts
that I really loved of this joker.
Speaker 19 (27:43):
When the one was there after the museum heist, and
he's like, whereas he can get those wonderful.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Toys, I'm just like, there are you.
Speaker 14 (27:58):
Have? So I don't understand the timeline of this movie
because he goes from like gangster to getting full plastic
surgery to having people with logos on his on the
jacket and like cars.
Speaker 10 (28:11):
Decorated gun like this is like it supposedly happens over
like a week.
Speaker 14 (28:17):
Like his brand was really fast again, his street team
was on fire because like by the end of the movie,
he's got colored balloons and everybody is already decked out
right fanantic satin jackets.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
They's all like at our gallery.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
They all seem to know how to beat him as
a medium. Yeah, so there's obviously Ben's sons sort of
like meeting or right like a weekend, he's got that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He's got that whole bankot room wearing fries, the guy.
Speaker 18 (28:48):
And the buzzer and hand and buzzer, and he's not
the whole conference room at his finger tips.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So why do I use it for recruitman purposes? Disgusted
rand issue. They certainly have their colorway figured out.
Speaker 12 (29:03):
Yeah, but yeah, this was the time, I think and
this is I think this was a carryover from the
Adams Batman, which is the mind.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Of those minions was all dressed the same.
Speaker 16 (29:16):
Yes, and I think it's kind of related to how
we I think there's a lot of connective tissue between
this and James Bond.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
Yeah, I was thinking of the same thing.
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Yeah, because not only you've got the villain of Mastermind
who has the Midians and they almost be identical, but
then you've also got.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
The hero who encounters who has a new love interest
each food.
Speaker 14 (29:40):
And so this is kind of what we has are
reoccurring superhero heroes and all gases.
Speaker 11 (29:47):
Yeah, Sastin Martin, which is a bat. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (29:51):
Yeah, there's a lot, especially Roger war Model DNA and this.
Speaker 15 (29:57):
A lot of the lot of that actually interesting hurt
h west End or another superhero years at that time year.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
He's kind of laughing, but he definitely was pretty Yes.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
I mean they're just very much as an octopusy sort of.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Across every time.
Speaker 13 (30:16):
I didn't love the heart to where he's losing his balloons,
which where did he get those balloon's mania, Who's sewing Lease?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And so many of these balloones and reading and photix fancusion.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
I believe that I didn't want pe could do it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But h and he's so sad when his balloons go away.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
He was like.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Balloon.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
He stole my balloons. I needed those balloons, and I
felt so bad for him, like genuinely, I was like,
he's just trying to make people smile.
Speaker 24 (30:49):
That well he got the huge wealth despairity, like everybody's
covered in and poor except.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
These millionaires who are taken out there whole.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Thing and come now.
Speaker 21 (31:03):
Having said that, though, I would love to live in
that world rather than our where.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
They just buy stuff. You'd rather they have parades, like
I understand this stuff.
Speaker 11 (31:15):
He doesn't have to be murdered in.
Speaker 24 (31:17):
This sitting right now, But if we had Batman and
jokers in our world, it just makes it's a little
more interesting.
Speaker 19 (31:26):
Yeah, he's not very I mean they say he's a
little thropic, but he lives in that big, giant mention.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
I love the scene.
Speaker 19 (31:34):
My favorite part probably is when they're having dinner at
the bank wood tables like this long yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And they're seated at each end of it, and she's like, can.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
I have the salt?
Speaker 14 (31:43):
What the salt?
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (31:47):
To burden you were, Yeah it is, I love it.
And he's like, you know what, I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Been in this room.
Speaker 19 (31:53):
So he's not exactly he's spreading in a wealthy round
the forest.
Speaker 28 (31:57):
Citizens of God if even e there's that bid with
a peg too, like he does he takes the pen
and does know what to do with it and he
sticks it in the flower pot and then after it
comes out and behind of it just picks it up
as if he's done this a hundred times.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
But I was like, is was that actually Bruce Wayne
being distracted?
Speaker 11 (32:12):
Or was he like playing the bit?
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Like there's this thing of like is it Batman pertaining
Bruce Rayne? There's a Bruce Wayne pertaining to be Batman
and it's.
Speaker 14 (32:22):
Me That's always the question is sort of like it
is Bruce Wayne the act because it's all like the
Batman by this he just seems like just kind of
a fuddled dude.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
He's charming, but I never know like is he's secretly like,
oh this is what Vicky expects from me, So this
is what I'm going to do. I'm gonna be the
eccentric weirdo.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
Well we get that the different Batman's right where it's
like trying to hear like how much do I have
to play this role?
Speaker 11 (32:50):
And how do we get like Christian as a whole?
Speaker 10 (32:53):
Like well, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 11 (32:55):
The like, yeah, he's sorry to hear this is this
is this version of the Bruce Wayne tried to hear
out how to be a normal person. I guess around
the other people.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (33:09):
One thing I really like though, we gotta gets because
it's a art design.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
There's not a.
Speaker 10 (33:15):
Time eighties you know that's true.
Speaker 21 (33:18):
But I did really appreciate when he was like working
after the bat computer or I'm black her, and that
he had these really light down and like momcheese and.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
Glasses. That's very steep jobs. Yeah, it worked for me.
I was into it. I was into his mom. Jeez.
Speaker 18 (33:39):
So what women did you guys think about the romance
between him and a minity mail Day.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
One of the two women in this movie.
Speaker 15 (33:46):
Yeah, when they have one day and then she's like.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
But I'm in love with you and he's like, well,
I'm in love with you too. Let me tell anyone
to see that identity.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Well, right before that he was gonna do it. Well,
maybe he went.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Over to her house and had a whole speech to
him and he was like a minute, you just like
that part seemed really missed.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
Her mom to be. Yeah, yeah, it's like why did she.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Can't you give it a weekend, you know, maybe.
Speaker 10 (34:20):
Go somewhere together and see.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
If it's going to work out.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, except your house on that one date we went on.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
It was the eighties, it was yeah. But this is
one of those things like, I mean, you have her
a sacred.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
Form telling her so early. It's like you don't have
to like, you know, at wherever.
Speaker 15 (34:41):
He's proposing earth and it's like, oh, in my way,
I have the side prop yea, and you need to know,
but we will probably you know the fact our emails, Yeah,
it's been offends a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
And at the very end it does.
Speaker 10 (35:00):
She gets in the car with the opera and she's.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Like, most way's going to be to late, and she's like, no, really,
I know why.
Speaker 25 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (35:11):
He's on the top of the ceilings of the buildings
that you won't pay to refurbish.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
He just wants to hang out on top of that.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
He's I mean, I will say tying into that.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
You have to finish your hand off and.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
His and you have these songs to that man.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
Samgo places like that and you have all the swerves
just like what ask goes first and like that Masa
song it's just a shine and just I mean, it's
one of the reasons who plays myself?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And now I mean, besides that, Jude
found not a lot of people have feme songs like
a death disapoint I mean now seasons everybody gets a
theme song, but you don't have.
Speaker 14 (35:58):
That like because you're even now they were playing it
here Phoenix.
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Fanc usual it's wait, wait, got it, it's planning all
the odd speakers and you know exactly what it is
that lingers like this.
Speaker 14 (36:09):
How from the entire DC extended universe, none of that
music really ever penetrated.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, probably the Superman Yeah, but yeah it's not.
But yes, but since then, yeah, I'm playing. Yeah, it's
like you know, I think I know the Zack.
Speaker 11 (36:29):
Snyder Justice League one.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
When I hear it, I started leading depressed. But but yeah,
but for different reasons, Yes, actually.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
For a lot of reason.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's Batman has one Batman a cage in his bat case.
Did he knows what he did?
Speaker 9 (36:50):
What did he do?
Speaker 11 (36:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:54):
One back?
Speaker 11 (36:54):
Why do you assume all animals?
Speaker 10 (36:57):
Yeah, that's that's paris.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh I see, So that that was outspreading radies to
the people have got them.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
Uh did you guys notice that when uh, Vicky Vail
his apartment and the Joker comes in as Bruce Wayne
is clumsily trying to.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Tell her that he's Batman.
Speaker 22 (37:19):
When Joker and Bruce Wayne fight, Vicky Vail grabs a
bowl of popcorn and starts eating him.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Is she's she's all.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
Of us in that one.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Eating her popcorn.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
But there's no scenery latitude, So no, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's the part where he's like, you want to get nuts,
Let's get nuts.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
That's one of my favorite quotes. So I just wanted
to bring that moment up. Uh. So we're not going
in any particular order, So I'll say we're just doing.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
We're it's a little bit chaos because we're here doing
it live a lot. Usually. I've seen all your faces
in the boxes, because.
Speaker 19 (38:05):
So what do you have that we have?
Speaker 10 (38:07):
I discussed, Yes, so I went in it to discussed
dunnest the age.
Speaker 24 (38:12):
Okay, okay, how said of that preface, I am so
into his gadgets.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
I was so into his gadgets.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Then me too.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
But speaking of port Landing, like they built this whole
battle while and they were like, well, there's no way
to open it for.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Me to get in, and they're like right, right, right right,
what if the top slides off and they just got
a chainsaw, like the top slides.
Speaker 19 (38:41):
Off, But they're like not thinking ahead into the functionality.
Speaker 23 (38:46):
It does.
Speaker 21 (38:46):
Look Yeah, Battle Wheel is schools Gadget against the moors
because because it's armor.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Rode yeah yeah, ok, the corner store, yeah, and he's assistance,
So it does.
Speaker 21 (39:02):
In minn Is towards the end where they're finding the
belfrey and the guy starts flooking around.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
And he has extended he just fired it.
Speaker 11 (39:13):
It just goes out like this.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
It's it's like it's like a SIXD. It just pops up,
Like what was the intendant use of that?
Speaker 14 (39:21):
Like, like you because you built it, you plan to
have this, Like what did you think was going to happen?
Speaker 10 (39:27):
Because that even that is not a great use of
that because the guy's.
Speaker 14 (39:31):
Coming at it and it's just like you're hitting with
the end of a ruler, Like, I mean, it's a
metal but what does it supposed to be like to deflect?
Speaker 10 (39:40):
Yeah, that was that.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I feel like that was the cost that like it came.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
Into like shark repillons.
Speaker 14 (39:45):
Yeah, the other in that in that In that same fight,
there's a guy who jumps down at him and crashes
through the floor as like a gag. And you haven't
seen surprised man like, but aren't you supposed to be
like one with the night?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
And it's like, what was that good thing? Good thing
that didn't give me? It's a good as as the
friend bride has been doing it for maybe a year
at this point to.
Speaker 16 (40:14):
Be thinkin both us last.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Okay, so this is like the six months.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
Yeah, early early days.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Albert's pretty fretty easy with the information.
Speaker 10 (40:28):
He was fat man for being such a short time.
Speaker 18 (40:31):
He's like Alfred can't keep the secrets, that's right, figuring
out they have to be killed email and it'll be
like that A good idea told him we.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Never should have. She did way more than a day.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
That's why she's gonna go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I thought he had too many rattling huts, like rattling hooks?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Were there the uh solution to every problem that I
don't know?
Speaker 9 (41:04):
See it work?
Speaker 22 (41:07):
You need to do that.
Speaker 14 (41:08):
He will use a bad way once or twice. I
mean like it grapple thing all the time, but like
he has like a one click.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It comes out yeah, well, I mean he steals the
balloons like the bad plane.
Speaker 10 (41:24):
That's a good yeah that way. Yeah, what did you
think that was gonna be that? Because that was built
that you built it inside there?
Speaker 24 (41:35):
What the what was the intended use for the Well
that was the bad way you could deal with large balloons,
which which is not a big problem because he.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
That one when he just released it over the ocean too.
So are we to believe that there.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Are like whales out of there?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
The big joke.
Speaker 14 (41:55):
Is just showing through that can't realize it's the joker
asked the questions where's he going those wonderful boys?
Speaker 10 (41:59):
Can he still don't know? Like even even if you
just consider there's four movies, that's the thing. We really
don't know where he gets those wonderful boys. We just
still sells them. But this wind he doesn't seem like
the mccatal type. Yeah, so he's not himself. No, I
don't see like Michael jem like the woe rolled up
with like you know, too many battle bile like we
(42:19):
just like to see Robber Patson later on.
Speaker 11 (42:22):
Well, this is my Christian roles name. We really need
to explain that left working in the base exactly.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
You have a guy guy.
Speaker 11 (42:34):
My imagine he's doing it is that wing because it
is so cool and I mean that moment.
Speaker 15 (42:40):
When shoots out of the sky at the front of
the moon is one of the coolest shots.
Speaker 11 (42:45):
Even though he said, right, whose first secutive?
Speaker 14 (42:49):
Does he actually part of this?
Speaker 22 (42:55):
But then.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's got maybe he's been fighting for.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
Years without the Bandman's too, was like, I need a
new angle.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And I don't know who cleaned up Who's not going
to clean up the badge?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And yeah, because he was just sitting there outside of
Bell Tower, presumably Bruce Wayne loved it.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
He did take it up.
Speaker 11 (43:18):
Is a pat of his good kind heart, you know,
clean up the streets.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, well Bruce Wayne volunteers.
Speaker 10 (43:24):
To, uh take care of that way.
Speaker 13 (43:30):
Also, when we get up into the Beltar the very
climax of the movie, we see how hard it is
for Batman to get out there.
Speaker 10 (43:37):
Joker is dropping.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Giant bells on him and the stairs aren't blowing.
Speaker 13 (43:42):
Out, and he's having itch to a jump and leave
and everything. But when we get up to the top,
there's no shortage of a karate ninja.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
There's like forty years goode out of them.
Speaker 10 (43:52):
That he has to dispatch.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
How did they all get out there? When did they
all get up there? Where did they come from? Nathan?
Speaker 25 (43:59):
You went in.
Speaker 13 (44:01):
What you're saying, you have a filmmaker must relay, So
that's coming soon.
Speaker 10 (44:08):
Yes, the Belfry. The Belfrey was the source of contention
of this. I read the making of this, and there
was some of the studio was like it.
Speaker 14 (44:21):
Has to end it on giant Belfrey, Like there's nothing
in the script about a cathedral and Belfrey and stuffing
too one it has to end there. So apparently Timberton
showed up and there they had built it, and then
it was like, oh okay, so now I gotta figure
out how you get from the parade to there.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
And so there's either apparently there's a whole thing.
Speaker 14 (44:39):
With them shooting it and Jack Nicholson is doing all
these things of like climbing up the stairs overever.
Speaker 10 (44:43):
He's like, why am I going up there? And it's like,
we'll tell you later because they had figured it out yet.
It was just shooting them going up there because they
had it. So I don't think there whatever was the answer.
Speaker 14 (44:53):
It was like when he gets up there to be
a big fight action sequence Okay, that could have happened
on the street.
Speaker 10 (44:58):
Like, there's really nothing except that you get a bat
in the belfry.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
One thing I didn't want to bring up to before
we move on to our deep part recommendations and our
ratings is that they actually, uh and you guys probably
know this because it's like.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
A famous story when they offered the role to the
Joker to Robin Williams.
Speaker 13 (45:27):
As a way of sort of tricking Jack Middleston into
saying yes.
Speaker 22 (45:34):
Because when they got Robin Williams to say yes, they
went back to Jack Nicholeston and said, well, you.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Know, Robin Williams is going to do it, and he
was like that I'm doing it.
Speaker 22 (45:44):
And Robin Williams was so hurt by it and he
didn't do any more bro those movies.
Speaker 10 (45:50):
For like years and years and years and years.
Speaker 29 (45:53):
And I feel so bad for Robin Williams and really
wanted to I'd just saying like he was he wouldn't
want to, really wanted to be the Riddler, and he
just never came together.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
It because they yeah, took carry even her Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Right, yeah, yeah, he's still really did you guys know
that story?
Speaker 9 (46:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (46:20):
I mean, there's a lot of names we're sort of
banning about too. Who would be Batman, would be Joker
and you could do you could do probably like an
old Pocket series Mom that the bat movies that did
not get made. There's a mean you go back, there's
there's at one point it was gonna be Bill Murray
and Eddie Murphy is Batman.
Speaker 8 (46:36):
And Robin.
Speaker 10 (46:38):
And honestly, like like there was incong paper about.
Speaker 14 (46:40):
That it was going to happen because like they were
still thinking of it from the sixties.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's gonna be sill. Yeah, that's worse than Nicholas Cage
is Superman.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Yeah, there was a Batman in space.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
There was.
Speaker 10 (46:52):
That was the one that there's a script for that
that was around for a while, and then finally.
Speaker 14 (46:56):
Someone convinced that it like what if we did it
serious and it wasn't camp It was a power sapp
and old chum and then and then here we go
and it worked out and it will never be a
funny Batman again. It works out out, but we will
never see a funny or comedic take on Batman in
(47:18):
the movies ever.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
No flopped flip flop.
Speaker 10 (47:22):
Does that the term flopped stock flop.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Flip flipp people.
Speaker 23 (47:28):
I don't know the blue pop so on a scale
of one batjet to ten bats out.
Speaker 10 (47:39):
When he needs multiples.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Up, how many batjets do you get? Batman from nineteen
eighty nine?
Speaker 10 (47:46):
So I'm gonna go eight at Okay, I think it's
there's there's so so much that's cool about this, so
much that pulls up had ten not as much.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, it's taking two of it. You're taking too long,
you're taking two away. Yes, for the campiness, for the
dating news, and then a lot.
Speaker 24 (48:11):
Of this is like it's it's not as tall because
it's still in some ways figuring out.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
The serious serio movie.
Speaker 10 (48:17):
Yeah you know, so yeah, I'd go yeah, eight at
ten ten, what do you think that? Out of ten?
Speaker 14 (48:23):
Because I find it incredibly entertaining. It is really fun
to watch, and I'm not I love all the Batman's
so like, I don't have a thing about just being like, oh.
Speaker 10 (48:32):
He's not it's not as serious. It's not it's not
it's true to life. It's not any that I don't
I don't.
Speaker 11 (48:37):
Care about that.
Speaker 10 (48:37):
I just enjoy it.
Speaker 14 (48:38):
But it is very heavy on Jack Nicholson's very heavy
on timber and a very light on Batman when you
do the whole than the ratio of it.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
But I still sat down and watched the entire thing
through and could quote almost the entire movie. And it's
still at a really good time.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
So same accepted my fourteen year olds on the rocket
did not enjoy it.
Speaker 11 (48:59):
I was like, you're good.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
I love this.
Speaker 10 (49:00):
This is the the Batman, this is a Batman from
when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
This is the might gonna keeps Batman. Oh the jumper
is so cool and you're gonna love it.
Speaker 10 (49:08):
He was like, mom, this is dorky.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
And I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 10 (49:14):
And it's dorky and he's like, I don't know, and he.
Speaker 11 (49:18):
Ditched me and we have never spoken to him again.
Speaker 14 (49:22):
So an very day I showed when she was about sixteen,
and she had not got quite a free little action,
but she.
Speaker 10 (49:29):
Was just like, yeah, it's fine. But I showed Baden
Returns and.
Speaker 11 (49:32):
She loved it.
Speaker 10 (49:33):
Yeah, Its like she was all right, Yeah, it's it's
full concentrated timber about that one.
Speaker 11 (49:44):
Yeah, they're letting him the run part with it.
Speaker 10 (49:49):
What's your reading.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
You?
Speaker 11 (49:51):
Probably nineteen night I saw it was probably attached.
Speaker 10 (49:55):
Yeah, absolutely, And I feel like.
Speaker 11 (49:57):
Over the years, you know, nine, eight. You know, I'm
gonna say eight, but it could be not.
Speaker 15 (50:03):
This is such an easy watch and just like you guys,
like it's burned into my marine watching this repeat lying,
after lying all that night.
Speaker 14 (50:12):
And after talk and friend songs, I don't even talking
about the pritisms.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, pretty song, sorry, pretty outstanding?
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Was this?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
This is the first time I remember there being like
an album.
Speaker 10 (50:27):
That was like pushed with the movie.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, but it was like, this is the first time
I was like, we gotta get the CD.
Speaker 14 (50:35):
You gotta get the protose was before this, right, yeah,
way before this?
Speaker 11 (50:45):
Yeah, so I mean that high end of the movie,
that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 21 (50:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Just for the sake of agreement, I'm gonna say eight.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
So we.
Speaker 18 (50:55):
All agree, happy comment because literally how to be batterings
and its.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
And so.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
The other thing that we do on this podcast is
we do in ad pod recommendation. So if you liked
Tim Burton's Batman, what was something that's a little bit
off the leading path that you might also enjoy?
Speaker 10 (51:18):
This is the most excellent eighties podcast. Do we have
to in the eighties or it doesn't have to be
from names.
Speaker 11 (51:24):
It doesn't even have to be a movie.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
It doesn't have to be a movie. It can be TV,
it can be real life experience, it can be an.
Speaker 14 (51:31):
Okay, I would just because I thought it was something
that I want to make sure that it was within
the rules.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
So there was.
Speaker 14 (51:37):
An obscured nineties movie that very much tried to be
the Batman nineteen Nails You lay. It was called The
Phantom starting a building as a game.
Speaker 10 (51:47):
I a bashly love that movie. It is fantastic, but
it's trying so.
Speaker 14 (51:52):
Hard to be Batman, but it never is, but it
still is that it's still super fun, slamming.
Speaker 10 (51:58):
Equal what's the fantas.
Speaker 11 (52:01):
The Phantom?
Speaker 14 (52:02):
Yeah, he's in It's it's Billy's saying a giant purple
suits carrying twining guns and that he's so committed to it.
Speaker 10 (52:10):
He's so cornball, and it's I find it admits watchful War.
That's the nineties movie.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, that's why I got sorry.
Speaker 11 (52:24):
I was not my superhero.
Speaker 10 (52:27):
What about you man? Yeah?
Speaker 22 (52:28):
No, thing is you're putting you on the spot because
you didn't know you would be a guest on this podcast.
Speaker 11 (52:35):
What is this superhero movie that I that people part
of this.
Speaker 15 (52:40):
I would call Dect that and I can't, and he
watches several times called and we always laughed.
Speaker 10 (52:48):
I can't argy it's actually any good, but a lot,
a lot it's way so blank. This is the plots
never sailing him off. Yeh, Daryl fashions.
Speaker 11 (53:01):
Boiling proof of overcook were of red long Dawn. So
blank Man a superhero.
Speaker 10 (53:06):
In Superpowers serials.
Speaker 15 (53:09):
Just like that man when the Blank Blacks prior by
Crusade causes the sapron c Metro's brother Kevin relax.
Speaker 11 (53:20):
Back it.
Speaker 10 (53:24):
Can you forget the power of Alan color?
Speaker 8 (53:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (53:31):
Anyway, I can't say.
Speaker 10 (53:32):
Series should I love it all right? So I guess
I feel like.
Speaker 11 (53:43):
There is a before iron Man and after iron Man
in terms of like the generations of super.
Speaker 24 (53:51):
Yah, in terms of superhero movies that I feel like
really still hold up, like really well, I had a Batman.
Speaker 12 (54:01):
But all the other ones before you, I would say,
it's spider Man two, not Super Deepicut, But I would.
Speaker 10 (54:07):
Say, if you haven't seen it in Forever, spider Man
two is the Nile is like is like a great
sam Landing one?
Speaker 28 (54:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (54:15):
Yeah, what happens in Spider Man two?
Speaker 12 (54:20):
But The thing that makes Spider Man two so good
is that, like the first one did the let heavy
lifting into her was his origin story, but the.
Speaker 11 (54:28):
Second one really is a better partner and just making
his life as bad as possible, and it just him.
It's time, it's it's it's the.
Speaker 20 (54:39):
Movie that has done to the best in terms of
how hard it is to be a superhero.
Speaker 10 (54:45):
Yeah, and it's also way funnier than frist Okay, so excellent.
Speaker 13 (54:53):
Uh So my response was to the question, really, where
do they get those wonderful.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
And I think that they get them at Phoenix Fan Fusion.
So my recommendation is that you attend your local comic
convention wherever you are. You probably have one near you
that's worth attending, and if you're in the Phoenix area,
(55:21):
attend the Phoenix Fan Fusion and get some wonderful toys
Kyle dotes, some light up d and d dice that
are wonderful.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
And you see people walking around.
Speaker 10 (55:34):
But they're wonderful toys that they made themselves.
Speaker 19 (55:36):
So I recommend Phoenix Fan Fusion or whatever your local
common convention.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
You can't call it a comic.
Speaker 11 (55:46):
Con because that's not allowed.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Whatever your local comic.
Speaker 10 (55:52):
Convention is don't make you sell them wonderful toys.
Speaker 13 (55:56):
All right, So before we wrap up, let us know
where can we support your filmmaking endeavors Ethan Blackwell.
Speaker 11 (56:05):
The easiest way is to go to my introduction, which
is Squeegee Studios Squishes Studios dot com.
Speaker 10 (56:12):
We made a.
Speaker 12 (56:13):
Scientifi series called Voyage Checkers about the worst start crew
of the Galaxy highly and about.
Speaker 11 (56:22):
You're recently a low edd feature film called the Last.
Speaker 10 (56:25):
Movie Ever Made. So the leaks to that you can
you get to see.
Speaker 11 (56:31):
At on Amazon or two we right now. But yeah,
Squishy Studios dot com.
Speaker 10 (56:39):
So you said two met my episode quickie because.
Speaker 11 (56:42):
It was like.
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Yes true story FM dot said that is we're also
finished there. You can find Storyline.
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You can find the Frost Population Society, which is is
my on your journal podcast and Crafted Chaos were.
Speaker 11 (57:00):
Minute so they're already recording in the next season.
Speaker 10 (57:06):
Pretty our world.
Speaker 11 (57:11):
Yeah, there are funny movies.
Speaker 10 (57:15):
I agree, I'll start Naked.
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Oh I forgot that, Yes, that's great.
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Yeah, sure if by all our podcasts t R U
s U r O, I thought of that one, and
uh yeah, you know we.
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Love hockey movies and all sorts of different types of
entertainment projects out of checking out.
Speaker 10 (57:41):
So thank you for coming. We appreciate you pretty as alone.
The two stung still here.
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Yes, well, we appreciate having you anytime that needs to
come on. Thank you for being at being expandage and
thank you ever wanted a beam if you want a
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Down and you Braden Singer, there's an embarrassing amount of them.
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Take one.
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you always say at the end of our podcast.
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