Episode 766: Tumblr, it's not just an app

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None. All right, thank you everybody
for tuning in to episode 766 of the Shining Wizards podcast.
And we're on the road to 14 years Tonight.
We got ROH, former ROH superstarand person I am least likely

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wanted to be chopped by Eric Stevens joining us at 7:30
Saturday night main events. Is it in the books?
And we got a few new champions. We now know also who John Cena's
final opponent, how that's goingto be determined, and they
booked that just for Tony. Plus we have a Dynamite that was
one for the ages, that's for sure.

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New Japan to talk about and so much more.
So let's just get into it with some wrestling talk.
Talk about wrestling. Rondo, Tony.
Handsome Kevin. First teleprompter, Did it even

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pop up? It pop only we can see it.
The people, the listeners can't see it.
Well, I can't see it did. Did I miss something?
I didn't see it I. Didn't see anything but.
You guys couldn't see this? You didn't press send stupid.
He's. Just typing messages to himself
and giggling. Penis now I see.
It. No.

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You have to click it. For you got to click it.
We get it ticket What? Never mind whatever.
We're fucking done dealing with that.
How you guys doing? Oh to tell her oh, you got to
turn it on, bro. There you go.
Head it on, Dick head. Yeah, Dick Head.
Yeah, but we didn't. Oh, that's on you guys.
We don't. Alright, whatever.

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Did you see that? Stupid.
No, I see nothing. Well, you guys don't see it.
I see it. I don't see anything.
Hold on. I gotta turn it on.
There you go. Now I see it.
Right now the teleprompter is. On Yeah, you got to turn it on,
Dick head. I take it off, though, I don't
need it up there the whole time.All right, what?

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She said. Mac Double T can't do that
anymore. He gets it.
Down. I don't need it up there the
whole time. Can't do what anymore?
Take your shirt off on the stream?
No, I'm not allowed to. Terrible.
Terrible, I think. How you guys doing tonight?
We can't see your natty sisters.The pre show is a show in itself

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folks. You should start recording that
too. Oh, that's never getting out
there. I mean, we record the post show,
yeah, but come on, that ain't any better.
Yeah, but this pre show in particular.
Come on now. Come on now.
Speaking of recording things. Oh.

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She and Tony, we sat down. Look, I'm going to get the plugs
out of the way early right now. patreon.com/wizards podcast
History of the Wizards Part 2 dropped today.
We recorded it yesterday. Boy, did we find some things
that we either didn't remember we did or have blocked out of
our memories trying to forget. There's a couple of reviews that

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we wrote for shows that we went to that what somebody published.
Somebody fucking published our shitty ass reviews we thought we
were. Fucking writers is.
It 411. And we played, you know, a
couple commercials that. I don't.
I don't. Think the one that ended the
show ever saw the light of day. I don't know if we ever played

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that one. I don't know if we played half
of the stuff that we've been playing.
But they they're finding it. They're finding a home
somewhere, finding a home there.So that's available now on
Patreon and the The Rogue Indie Chronicles, the 8th episode will
be dropping in about two weeks. If you subscribe to
patreon.com/wizard Podcast, 3 bucks a month, you get at least

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the minimum 2 bonus shows and you get access to our archives
and you never know when we'll drop another episode.
There's been a lot of Scuttlebotabout releasing some older
episodes and that might become aPatreon vehicle.
So yeah, yeah, Double T asked meto pull him from the archives
and I sent him over to him. And I get nothing but glowing

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texts about what he's listening to.
And you know what? If, if there's an there's an
error where you can't find, there's some episodes that we
have hidden, right? But but there's episodes and
there's interviews that have been slowly making the light of
day over on our YouTube. So if you go to

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ouryoutubeyoutube.com/the Shining Wizards, we have the
Shining Wizards Archive. And in the month of November,
these four interviews are going to drop.
There's an interview we did from2019 with Priscilla Kelly and
Darby Allen. This is right after the year,
right after the tampon spot. And that was the doodle art

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fucking interview. Yeah, some point in the middle
of the interview. Darby, She's like, oh, Darby's
here, do you want to talk to him?
And we just talked to Darby for like, another 20 minutes about
shitting on glass tables and making art out of shit.
I wonder why that marriage didn't last.
Yeah, there's an owner he could talk to about that too.
We drop an episode, an interviewwe did with Chris Statlander,

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there's an interview we did withAnthony Bowens, and an interview
we did with Selena de la Renta, which also is the first time
Kate from Fight Fall is in studio.
So those are all going to be dropping in the month of
November. On our YouTube channel,
youtube.com/the Shining Wizard. Subscribe from the vault.
The playlist is up. We already have Shane Hurricane

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Helms interview which we got thehad the pleasure of speaking to
him after he surprised everybodyin his 2018 Royal Rumble debut
or return appearance. Yes.
And then what was the other one we dropped?
Oh, Conrad Thompson. So yeah, keep, keep, keep it,
keep, keep it 100. I don't know if you want to hear

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us talk to a guy from Alabama not named Al Tiny Wizard's
archive is your place. And I heard a rumor, I heard a
rumor that that guy from Alabama, not Al the pod father,
might be joining us on the 14th anniversary.
Show. Interesting, have you?

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Kind. Of rumored innuendo.
Innuendo. An Italian Suppository.
So that's it. I'll get that.
Really. Christ, I got the.
Plugs out of the way cross that law.
So did Tony just now. Yep, it popped right out.
Popped right out. There you go.

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Popped. I thought it's supposed to go up
and not pop out? What's I mean, eventually it's
got a what comes up, What goes up must come down.
Goes in, must go out. Yeah, exactly.
Sure, yes. Except for Lemmy winks.
Lemmy wink. Lemmy winks.
Oh, what's that? Jesus Christ.

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Mr. Slaves Butt Gerbil. Mr. Slave, are you around?
Let's say Mr. Slave. That's his name.
That's a character, yeah. Are you checking with the
Internet whether or not we're allowed to see?
I didn't I that's funny, the slave.
So I just. Put it in a chat peak GPT or
something. Let me ask you guys, all right,

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since since Eric Stevens joiningus in about 20 minutes, I don't
think now I don't watch Smackdown, but I did watch
Saturday night's Main event. I was home for that.
Did they do any promo about the John Cena thing or was that
something they just decided theywere going to announce Saturday
during Saturday night's main event?

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There was no, there's no promo for it as far as I can remember
leading in. It was just more of a Michael
Cole saying, hey, he's going to,you know, announce or give us
kind of the the rundown of how is or who's going to opponents
going to be. It was very God, what's the
word? I'm going for Indiscreet, you
know what I mean? They didn't.
They really kind of bust out the, they said here it is,
somebody gave us promo or his promo or his package, whatever

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you want to say, and they didn'thave it.
I think they I think they mentioned something.
I'm trying to look back in the archives of the observer and see
if they have something. There you go.
Why Brendo looks for that. We got it though.
Saturday night also, before we talk about this, did you guys
like that it was just a Peacock vehicle, yes.

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Yeah. What I know it was easy.
Just click Peacock. No QR codes.
Away we go, right? No, no commercials in the middle
of the match. It's beautiful.
I was. I was born, man.
It should have been on NBC. Why not?
Not only that, it's when they first brought back Saturday

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night's Main event, right? All the fanfare, we got
obsession, we got the old school, the interviews and this
and that. I don't know, man, the further
we get into the future now they're they're kind of taking
away some of that stuff. Like I dig the hole.
Like it was clear in May of 1985, blah, blah, blah.
But give me fucking obsession. Give me that fucking intro, give

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me that music, you know what I'msaying?
Like I feel like once you take that away, then it's easy to
start taking the other elements away.
And then it just becomes like another version of RAW, you know
what I'm saying? Like that, that I'm, I'm afraid
that that's what's going to happen to Saturday night's main
event. Yeah, I don't think.
And and correct me if I'm wrong,but I don't even I know we got

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these celebrity sightings, but Idon't think there was any old
wrestlers in the crowd like, andif there were, they didn't do
the the spot where they pan overto him.
Nah, we got who do we got, Post Malone?
And Post Malone was right behindhim the whole time.
Pauly Shore. Pauly Shore was there.
The B is this detective in the the devil in disguise that I'm

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watching? Oh, the disguise guy devil and
not the disguise guy. He was the detective.
Oh, he was the devil. No.
The devil is is John Wayne Gacy.Oh, so John Wayne Gacy was
there? No.
I didn't see him. I didn't either.
And isn't he? Is he supposed to be in prison?
Did they furlough him so he can go there?
Pretty sure not work. Release I'm pretty sure John

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Wayne Gacy is dead oh he's dead then how the fuck was he a
fucking that's insane what the fuck are they doing over there
that's some weird ass CGI shit that they got going on it's.
Wrestling him. Oh.
Who else you think is going to start appearing on Wrestling Oh.
Good. Good question.
Good question. You know what your your guys
take on this butt cheeks all theway.

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Oh, you. Motherfucker.
All the way. It's not butt cheap.
No, it's not. Butt cheeks bad way.
Also know Jesse Ventura at Saturday night's main event,
They were done. That ship has sailed very
quickly. That's a shame.
That really is. Yeah, that's a shame.

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All right, so the next Saturday night's main event will be John
Cena's final match. Triple H and company, they said.
Hey, Tony Kahn, we got you, bro.We're going to have a
tournament. Including NXT, this is their
fourth tournament in like 2 months.

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What this I mean? And aren't there 16 people in
this fucking thing? Yeah.
What's the point? Who wants to?
Who wouldn't want to go out against in John Cena's last
match against them? But are you going to be dejected
if you fucking lose in the tournament?
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know.

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So I'm going to take a little bit different look at this.
I know a lot of people don't like this and I'm, I'm not, I'm
not saying I'm a giant fan and I'm going to pound my chest over
this. But if they use this as an as a
way to build somebody else up, I'm all for it.
I'm 100% all for it. If they, if they use this
tournament as a way to build somebody, I'm in, I'm in.

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I I don't know that I would havegone tournament, but yeah, if
this is what they're doing, I have no problem with it
whatsoever. But if you believe everything
that is being reported right now, it looks like they're going
to do Dom and Cena at Survivor Series for the AAA Mega
Championship, No, for the IC title.

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And then the rumor is Gunther isgoing to win the tournament and
beat Cena for the IC title at that Saturday Night's Main
event. All the rumors are fun.
But why the IC title? Cena's never won that, right?
Yeah. No, he never has.
No, but still, does he need to win it?

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Does he need to? No, I, I just don't like, I
don't get it either. Like I'm with you.
I, I, I, I don't like the prospect of like all these like
NXT talent, WWE talent, people who are on the roster.
Like, I think it'll be cool if Matt Cardona's in it, but like,
doesn't there's no value in it for me if he's not wrestling
fucking John Cena. Like, isn't that the idea?

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Yeah. Like, you know what they should
do? They should just have Gunther
beat the shit out of John Cena at his next next fucking
appearance and that's it. Boom, you got your fucking main
event, all those fucking killer promos he's been cutting as
world champion, as IC champion. Like you mean to tell me he
couldn't talk his way into this fucking match?
Easily could. 100% And like, I just don't like Saturday's main

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event was not good. I didn't hate it as much as you
did. I think.
I think it's another step in theright direction for when Cody
eventually turns heel that once again he got he fucking had that
crisis of faith whether or not he was going to hit somebody
with the with the belt and he fucking he used the belt to win

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the match. It's coming.
It's a slow fucking burn, just like Macho Man and Hogan pepper
them. Little seeds in there, here and
there, an errant hand smack of aHiney, a fucking dirty look, a
little pick up in celebration. Those little fucking seeds, man,
that's going to that's going to go a long way.
It's going to go a. Long way, man.

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Yeah, but Drew McIntyre now, like he looks like the biggest
friggin chode there was. Like all he does is fail.
But it backfired. What did I don't?
Know what? Do you mean?
What did feels like dead in the water at this point.
I don't know. I think Drew McIntyre is at that
point in his career where he's like a Randy Orton, where he

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could just fucking eat a loss and life goes on.
Yeah, but they could have like, shaking things up, like every
WWE main event that Cody's involved with, ref bump belt
shot. Like this stipulation did
nothing. He didn't have to overcome
anything. Well, when he turns heel, then
he's going to fucking start really relying on that when when
the fucking Rock and you know, shows up at WrestleMania, like I

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can't play the what if game anymore.
Like, oh, stop, You'll fucking watch AEW with fish tanks and
all this. I have what if on a fucking Cody
Rhodes having a crisis of his fucking of his fucking face
versus heel persona. I'm just, you know, the kids
call that HK 6/7. I don't know what that means.

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Butt cheeks. Fucking dumb.
It's a it's a by the way, Al again was complaining about
drivers. He's going to have a fucking
stroke before he turns fucking 45, dude.
He'll be all right. Like I know he comes across as
like the gentle bear when he's on the show, but I can't imagine
him actually behind the wheel. He must turn fucking bright red

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like his beard. Dude.
I worry about the guy. He'll be all right.
He'll be good. Was he was he angry when they
fucked up his order at Rancho Loco?
No, he was very calm 'cause he would have murdered someone
after after they came and asked him for the 4th time, he was
like, well like don't worry Al, I have fucking beef in my

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quesadilla and I want a chicken.So did you get?
A meal. Yeah, what the fuck does that
mean? Did you get a meal?
Did. You get a meal.
This is the ever apologistic fucking handsome cat.
Allogistic. Allogistic.
Can we do my apologist? You can't say anything bad about
Toro Loco. Oh, I'm going to Tora.

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Tora right up your asshole. Yeah, blow it out your fucking
ass with the servers knew what the fuck they were doing.
They wouldn't fucked up you motherfucker.
Not hard. You had draw a little, they want
it and you write down every spotwhere everybody ordered farm
animals, blow some farming wasn't even fucking busy. 2023

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people, they couldn't even get that right.
There was 30 people, asshole. Fucked up my meal, Fucked up
Duke's meal. Al took fucking four times to
get his. You got a free fucking meal and
you're complaining. A free fucking meal and you're
complaining. Oh, eat a shit that's.

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What I'll do next time? Oh.
Shit on a plane. There it is.
You just lock them in a cellar. Yeah, you have a nice
comfortable bed, no water shit with privacy.
Got a fucking sheet for an old lady to look in and go?
You guys up? Well, that was.
You'll shit out of a plate for double T and I'll end up with

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AL's table. I'll send it to you in a box.
Brundle fly. Yeah, Good luck, Merry.
Fucking. Christmas I got, I got my
Christmas, don't worry, Don't worry.
I'll label it to Brundle Fly. I got my I got last year's
Christmas present at Handsome Kevins when I went out there.
I don't know what good a 2025 calendar at the end of October

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is, but I got it. Yeah, you fucking got it.
You complain about more free gifts and presents.
Not complaining, I'm just pointing out the fact that you
can't threaten the shit in the box and mail it to him when you
couldn't mail me my fucking Christmas present or bring it
with you when you came out of here in August.
Ohh. Did you guys get to see the post
office in Kevins town? Yeah.

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Pretty. Was it open?
Yeah. No.
The laundry mat connected to thepost office was open.
It was like fucking 8:30 in the morning.
We had to leave extra early to get to the tattoo shop just in
case Godzilla stepped on it and smashed.
We didn't drive past the post office on the way to the tattoo
parlor. How would you even know?
I don't know, he said. We took the long way.

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No, not you. Him.
That's a great question. Holy shit.
So we like, who do we like to win this tournament?
Gunther. Who do you want to see in this?
Yeah, sure. Gunther, Nobody.
Gunther and 15 other assholes. Austin Theory.
I mean, Anson, Kevin's is reallyriding this Austin Theory train.

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Austin Theory RAW. Breaker, I think Julio, Julio
said this is a chance to elevateBrown Breaker.
I don't think that's a bad idea either.
I don't think so either, but I don't think they will.
I think they're going to make Brown Breaker and Bronzerita
fucking tag team because that's what they need.
New. Era of WWE starts tonight too.
Just in case you guys were curious.
Old fucking Triple H is out there going.
We're going to start a new era tonight.

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I don't know what that means, but what is that even?
Yeah. And why did Senate's main event
start at 7? Somebody said it's out in Utah.
Doesn't that mean it started at like 5 then?
Like, what the fuck? Started early because there was
a UFC that night, so by the timethat's over, it gave people they
could watch both gives a shit. You know what's on the first
hour? UFCKO gives a shit.
Who cares? I don't watch UFC so I don't

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give a shit. But I'm not running the
business, Tony. Whatever.
So the Saturday is over in time for you to order the main show
that starts at 10:00 and you getthe best of both worlds.
I know handsome. Kevin's a big UFC guy.
That likes me UFC. Did you watch UFC Saturday?
No. So you didn't give a shit?
No, I gave a shit. But I was.

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I was watching the Tennessee Vols game and I was watching the
goddamn Blue Jays blow a goat. Eating your leftover Rancho
Loco. Yeah.
Hey, Double T how is the meat atRancho Loco?
Was it tasty? Right.
Look again, I did not have a badtime and I did not have a bad
meal, but I would not go there more than once a week.

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No, what I'm saying is because handsome Kevin never eats the
meat there. I I on Saturday ordered my or on
Friday ordered my Saturday meal,my take home meal and I actually
got some chicken. I thought you were just talking
about meat at the after party onSaturday, that you were fucking
huge. Shots with Who knows?
Wait, are you talking about the when we were there for your

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party Is this? No, no, no, this week.
This was past Friday when we were there.
I ordered my my my Saturday meal. 8 days.
You. Fucking psychopath.
You know what? Al makes a good point.
No, no water service. Unacceptable.
I said that no water. No, we didn't go to one place
with water. Service don't know the first
thing about fucking. Water service, double TI know we

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didn't get any. Yeah, but you know what?
That's a place you could walk inwithout sleeves and they'd be
like, hey my friend, come sit down.
Hey, they were going to let us in without sleeves.
That guy was holding the door. Well, he was a superstar.
Jimmy. He had no idea what the fuck was
going on. He knew how to open the door.
Yeah. I can't wait to go back to

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Westfield again this year, talking about doing the same
show. We're not going to Westfield
this year. We're going to that Mexican
joint by your house, Tony, with the giant fucking skull lady on
the side of the building. I got to see if we can't get
somebody to book an independent show that weekend.
Why did you go season? Runs all the time.
We'll go to the Mecca. I'm sure the Mecca's got some

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fucking nonsense going on that weekend.
Wasn't I going to ride on a go Kart with Tropicale?
Is that a thing? We could go go Kart racing and
Edison. Fuck yeah, I can crack a couple
more ribs just to fucking hang out I like.
That I'll. Pass.
No, you can't. I seen you drive.
I can pass. That place is a fucking complete
shit hole. You think fucking the dive bar

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is awful? That place is the fucking worst
place in America. What?
The Edison race? The race on a Saturday
afternoon? Yeah, it's going to be a fucking
shit show. Cares.
I do cocky on you. I hate people.
You're not going to pick him up at the airport if I take off?
What are you worried about? I got to pick Brenda.

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Fly up. Why would Why are we going so
far away? Why don't we stay in our area?
Brenda's like in fucking Westfield.
Oh, we have to go have lunch at Pizzavita.
That's what I said. I'll make a reservation.
I want a burnt Rocco pie. Eric Stevens should be.

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Joined. I'm excited to talk to him.
I am too. Are you?
That's not what you said. The pre show.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
Oh I know what I'm talking about.
This guy hates fucking guests. Guess what the fuck you talking
about? You were complaining about Chris

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Tara last week. Did I?
Who's Chris Tara? You.
Got me. Shit.
Balls. Ship balls.

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Yeah. So we'll talk Saturday night's
main event. When we're done talking with
Eric Stevens, we're going to talk to AW.
Brendo is on some kind of martyrmission today.
He's going to try and defend Dynamite.
Good luck with that, buddy. Even I, even I was not.
I was not there for that. Well, it looks like our guest is

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here. Who's I'm not touching a thing.
You guys can bring him in. I don't want to.
I don't want to touch anything because the guest is here.
I'll wait till he leaves and then I'll start touching things.
I'll add. That's inappropriate.
Why do you have to do that? I got to let him know what he's
in for. That's what it is.
He's been in the wrestling business for 20 years.
He knows what he signed up. For.
Mr. Steven provides. Got to be able to think on the

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fly. Sometimes shit goes haywire and
you got to roll with the punches, so I understand
totally. Nothing's really going haywire,
we're just a complete fucking train wreck every single week.
That also happens. Eric, how are you tonight?
Good. How are you gentlemen doing
tonight? We're having a great time, man.

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We're excited to talk to you. I know Brondo and myself have
been fans of yours for quite a bit of time and I was a little
sad to see you leave the game, but I'm happy you're back.
We're started. The second time.
The first time was rough. Dude, you, you were riding high
in Ring of Honor when you, you know when they told you they
didn't have anything for you andyou kind of lost your love.

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I wish they would have told me that it was kind of reflected in
the, in the booking, you know, and then the we'll catch you on
the flip side. And the flip side never comes
around. But we can, we can cross that
bridge when we come and do it. But yeah, I've, I've, I've
become a cliche. I retire and I retire at a
moment's notice when I get the itch.
And then I just fade into obscurity once again.

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And when I when I feel overwhelmed.
I don't know if it's obscure. I mean, you came back, people
are excited. When you came back, relative
obscurity, OK, civilian, civilian life, as I like to call
it, you know. If someone had told you 20 years
ago that when you were done training with Roddy that 20
years later you guys would be tearing it up at DPW, would you

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just kind of laughed at them andthought nothing of it?
You know, it seems a little cheesy, but I, I knew we'd
always be blank. You know, we were best friends.
We had a had a bond formed outside of wrestling, but it was
fortified with what what occurred in wrestling.
And honestly, I would have been surprised that we weren't still
in the Ring of Honor because, you know, during the glory

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years, we thought that was a ship that was never going to run
aground. We thought it was untouchable,
but that's being young and naiveand not really understanding the
business side of professional wrestling and that all of these
opportunities are fleeting. Now I'm I'm not Ring of Honor

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super duper important to me. I can't.
I love Ring of Honor and I had so much hope when Tony Khan took
it over. But man, can they just they need
to change the name of the company now.
I mean, they have they have killed.
And I was trying to watch old Ring of Honor today to catch up
and just kind of refresh myself on Eric Stevens.
All the stuff from like 2008, 2009, There's no commentary.

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Yeah, that Honor club has some has some issues, there are some
gaps, but I, I like it just because I can relive the glory
years and frankly, 2009, I don'treally care to to relive
whatsoever. So I like to go, you know, 2000
and seven, 2008. But as far as Ring of Honor
goes, you know, I say this on Twitter a lot and nobody

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believes me, but I say I'm not working for a contract.
I'm 43. Look, this ship has sailed, OK?
I'm not, I'm not saying I can't go.
I can, I can still hang with these kids, but as far as the
ceiling, as far as the mileage left on my tires, it's, it's

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minuscule. So I have the freedom to not
only participate in the businessI love, but also express myself
freely and honestly. So Ring of Honor, just like
Double T, you know, we kind of call it that Double T is that,
are we OK now? Are we on working name terms?

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Obviously you know that I love Ring of Honor.
Anybody that was around and was in the company at that point
probably loved Ring of Honor. And there's a certain culture, a
certain air to Ring of Honor that's been long gone.
You know, you're not going to recapture that.
And it's kind of a, it's, it's afool's errand to try and try and

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recapture that. And so my hope was that when
Tony bought it, since he's a huge nerd and I honestly, I
posted on DVDVR at the same timeas Tony Khan.
We both posted at the same time.We talked to the same threads.
So it's, you know, I'm I'm more like him then a lot of wrestlers

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are more like him than they willcare to admit.
But anyways, I really thought hewould he would do it justice,
but I think he's overwhelmed andthere's a lot of stuff on his
plate. So he kind of figured it'd just
be easier to make it the developmental arm of AW than
than to keep the spirit alive, so to speak.
I think it's just turned into a women's show at this point.

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Let's give it to the ladies. Give it to the ladies.
Change the screw Ring of Honor, let it let it die.
And you got so many talented women on your roster, let them
go wrestle over there. Let them have their own show
because nobody else, I mean, no offense, but are people watching
Ring of Honor when Bandido's noton?
And I have a lot of my friends are on there.
And that's not, and it's not a dig at them.
It's a dig at the the overwhelming amount of wrestling

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content and and how so much evengreat wrestling goes unseen just
because it's it's there's just too much of it these days.
But that's my that was my hot take.
And I did, I did fancy book on Twitter.
I I did, you know, pitch a ring of auto reboot with the whole
spirit, you know, book smaller buildings don't piggyback off

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AW, bring the guardrails back, you know, run it like an indie
with a lot of money. But you know, that's not cool.
So I think we need to, I think we need to forget of what?
Forget what Ring of Honor used to be and move on.
Yeah, no, it's, it's damn it. But it stings, Eric.
It's like, fuck, I loved Ring ofHonor.

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And like, even toward the end, like some of the shit they were
doing was great. And like we had Vincent on the
show after they did that final battle, he's like Jay Lethal was
going to join the the righteous.And we had and I was like, God
damn it. It just it's a killer, man.
And now, like, you're fucking sick.
I will say it's not a coincidence that I ended up in
DPW because I watched the DPW shows and I was like this seems

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familiar like this. This reminds me a lot of Ring of
Auto back in in the golden years.
I know you'll you'll be at showdown to this Friday night
taking on Brian Keith. Do you know if you're going to
be out here in Jersey for the the November 21st DPW show in
Newark? You know what, I've been hitting

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that a lot and it's been a long day.
So yes, I believe so. I believe so.
I believe I will be on the November show.
The the company's usually good about letting me know ahead of
time, But I, like I said, I've been through the ringer today,
but I made it here and that's a small miracle at 7:30 PM Eastern
Standard Time after a day of fatherhood.

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It's a it's a big ass, but I I made it happen.
Oh, you had a day too, because handsome Kevin had a day, Brundo
had a day, and Tony had a day too.
They seem to be going around, soI'm not.
I'm glad I'm not alone. I escaped, yes.
You didn't go to work today. No, I'm off on Mondays.

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There you go. So, Eric, we were talking last
week when you took time off, though, you did like a, you were
doing like cookies or something,right?
You were making your own food. I did, I did a bunch of stuff.
I've lived many lives. I've done a lot of cool stuff.
I when I retired, I went back into, I went into fitness and I

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was a personal trainer. That's actually where I'm at.
My wife actually through match.com and, but also she by a
crazy twist of fate worked out at the same gym that I worked
at. So that worked out and I just,
I, I kind of dabbled in some things.
You know, I've gotten a powerlifting for a while, which

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is insanely stupid when you put yourself through years upon
years of professional wrestling.I did pretty good for a while
until my body crapped out and I was, I had hip surgery, I had
knee surgery. And so, you know, I, I've always
been into fitness, but I stoppedtrying to make fitness my entire
identity. I got out of the fitness
business. I got out of, I went out of the
gym for a while. I got out of that.

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And so I always loved food. And one day we kind of threw out
the idea, if not starting on a cookie company.
And this is right around COVID by the time right pre COVID.
And so we started shipping them.And of course, when COVID hit,
we were making a lot of cookies and sell a lot of cookies.
And so we did so well that we made the fatal air that many

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business owners do. They move from, you know,
shipping only to a brick and mortar.
And turns out that the food business is tougher than the
wrestling business. I told them the other day I go,
if you want to make money and you have the decision to start a
a food spot or you get into professional wrestling, get into
professional wrestling because the odds of you making a good
living are exponentially higher in professional wrestling.

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But I will say this, I was damn good at making cookies.
You know, you didn't, you don't open up your own storefront if
you're not good enough. But I was, I was good and I
didn't get too Highland supply, but I had to do quality control.
That's the kind of guy I am. And so I knew what I'd deal
with. And you know, all my, my rest of
the friends were saying I'm good.
They were. But now I can't trust all of
them because some of them just eat like protein cookies and so

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their taste buds are all messed up.
But we did. We had a good run, you know,
just kind of like my first ring on a run I don't have.
Like there's no regrets about it, just you know, it ended the
way it ended and move on to the next adventure.
What was your what was your favorite cookie, and what was
your best selling cookie? Best selling was, of course,
playing chocolate chip. Everybody just wants the
chocolate chip because it's likethe glazed doughnut, you know,

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you get an idea of how good the place is.
And some people were just basic,you know, they don't like the
fancy cookies. And I think that our my favorite
cookie was basically anything. This is such a cop out.
But like anything with peanut butter and chocolate, I would
just, I would have such a hard, hard time resisting, especially
if there was a textual element. If you have a crunchy component

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and you have salty from the peanut butter, salty and sweet
it was, it was game over for me.Like Biscoff cookies.
We did a peanut butter and a biscuit.
We combined peanut butter and Biscoff cookies together a lot.
My wife loves Biscoff cookies, so I just tried to always get
points with her and just stuff like that.
You know, we, I mean, I was likea mad scientist.
I. We come up with new flavors, we
do a new menu every week. It was exhausting but it was

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easy for me because I just have the brain of a fat 7 year old A.
Cookie menu. Oh yeah, we, we had, we would
have, we would ship 5 different cookies a week and we would have
in our store probably another 10flavors.
And so that was the issue too, was that I didn't really, I'm
not a business guy, my wife's the business person.

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And then business plan, my goal was to just go viral, get as
much, you know, publicity from making these crazy cookies as
possible. And that works.
Problem is, I wasn't thinking about profit margins.
I wasn't thinking about, you know, like how much my supplies
cost and my margins and all these things.
And that bit me in the ass because I thought I found myself

(38:12):
painted into a corner and I couldn't get out.
And my wife sat down. She was like, this way this
place is going to make money nowis if we completely change the
cookie and go from the ground upand make it a completely
different thing. And I was like, I won't do it
and I'd rather shut this place down.
So we did. Jeez, the restaurant industry is

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not easy my friend. I know that we got true Prince
of pro comments. I ordered cookies from Eric
before they were seriously some of the best cookies I've ever
had. I look, I appreciate that so
much, but I got to say when people bring it up with the
shows and they, the first thing they say to me is that your
cookies were so good. I'm like, I just killed myself

(38:54):
out there. But you know what?
But you know what? Once I get over, once I saw my
product, you know what? That's pretty cool that people
remember. Just think about all the food
you eat over the course of your life, you know, like those
cookies were memorable. And that's all that matters to
me. Just like, you know, somebody
brings up a match I had. I'm like, that is that's amazing

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to me. You ever think about them to be
cross them over bring bring the cookies to the gimmick table.
I did think about that. And you know what was funny when
during my first comeback, I would bring them the extras we
had to shows and I was like a a drug dealer, you know, who was
dealing with the first tastes for free and I was like hook
them and then they would just order.

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But I got stopped multiple timesby TSA because they're like,
what are these? I'm like, those are cookies and
most of our cookies weighed at least half a pound.
Some of them were like 10 oz. And so they were, they would
always investigate and I was like, my balls busted for my, my
cookies. But yeah, there was, there was
sometimes. I've never been a real big merch
guy. Once again, business.

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It's not not really my thing. I know people want it, but I'm
always just not in a great mood to I'm not a, I'm not a
schmoozer. You know, if I have a social
interaction, it's because I really want it.
You know what I mean? For better or for worse, I'm
never going to, if you come up to me to show, I'm never going
to put on a good face to impressyou, to sell shirts or 8 by 10s

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to you. I'm not going to be a dickhead
either, but you know what I mean.
You know, I don't feel a little pressure to, to put on a, a
happy face if I don't have to just to sell merch.
I and I've always kind of found that that kind of parasocial
relationship that wrestlers haveon social media with their their
fans to be a little, a little icky to me.
You know what I mean? A little because like being a

(40:40):
prostitute, a little bit like you got to be, I got to be cool
with you. So you bought me a merch and I
can't have my own opinions or express myself, but I digress.
Cookies, cookies. No, but you know what?
See like? The flip side of that though,
like for me, like I, I got enough merchandise like so I
won't go talk to somebody at thetable 'cause I feel like a

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shithead. If I go up and I have a
conversation with you and then Idon't buy anything and I just
walk away. Yeah, it it is kind of
overwhelming too. Like during the the whole merch
surge, there's just so many people.
And I kind of what I do is I come out and I walk around like
the crowd part where they were sitting.
And if somebody finds me, they find me.
It's kind of like an Easter egg hunt.
Like, oh, wrestler, you know, we're going to talk to them.

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I'm not, I'm not trying to hide.I'm just like, let me see if
anybody wants to talk to me. And if somebody wants to talk to
me, they'll come. They'll come over to me.
But I've never been a big merch guy.
Also, it's just like checking another bag.
It's such a pain in the ass. But I will be making shirts for
this one because I have some good ideas because it's like a
comeback tour. So I figured I'd lean into that
aesthetic. So I have some cool merch ideas.

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But other than that, I'm not trying to make make my kids
college tuition with T-shirts. And I would never print 8 by
10s. I don't like looking at myself.
I can imagine there's someone else you want buy a fucking
picture. What the hell somebody.
Hey man, some of these guys got bodies.
I was like, man, I would. I would, I would sell somebody
if I tend to. I looked like you.

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I was saying I saw Ace Austin onTV, though.
Yeah. I was like, Jesus, man, what the
hell? I would just sell pictures of my
legs if I looked like that. Dude I watched fucking collision
Saturday night and he gets on the ropes and his legs look like
tree trunks. I remember I was on a show with
him right before COVID and I remember like walking in the
door and I was like, like Ace. And I shook his hand.

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I go, I thought you were a cruiserweight.
Dude, this is in 2009. This is in 2019.
He's always been big. And I'm like, yo, that you're
making me feel terrible right now because I'm supposed to be a
heavyweight and you're like morejacked than me.
So he's one of those guys kind of like a, like a POC, you know,
where it's where he's not deceptive anymore.
But you know, it's he looks, he's looks much bigger than you

(42:50):
would think. I I got to ask you back in the I
mean, if you follow Eric on social media at Eric Stevens 82
on Twitter, you could tell you're a lifelong wrestling fan.
When you got in the business in FIP or in A tag team, did you
have to go to doc and be like, hey, we're going to be the
miracle violence, the miracle violence connection 2005 like,

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or did you, you were just like, fuck it, let's call ourselves
this. And if it gets his attention,
it's a bonus. I don't mean to pass the heat,
but that was Madison's idea. That wasn't that wasn't my idea.
I I was a huge doctor death fan.I kind of powdered myself as
like a pocket Steve Williams early on in my career.
And I loved the idea. And I didn't really even think

(43:36):
about like the permission aspectof it because I'd never I it's
just, you know, it's so you're so far removed from.
But you know, once again, Madison was trained by Steve
Kern. Steve Kern's very connected.
So I don't know if you ever ran it by him or not, but at the at
the end of the day, that was that was Steve's call.
And I was just, I was happy to be there because that was like

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my first real, real program in, in FIP for it was the first like
time that I felt that I was being invested in by a promoter.
So it felt pretty cool. I got to pivot real quick.
I see an arcade one up Simpsons behind you.
You love that game as much as I do.

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Yes, these actually. So I have.
Oh, you got a few? OK, so this is the the kind of
custom fabricated one with like 1000 games in it and it's the
Ninja Turtles like bar top style.
But I also have, I don't know ifyou guys can see back there.
We got NBA Jam and we got more combat too.
It's actually more combat collection.

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Those were in my cookie shop because my cookies company was
90s themed. So it kind of looked like the
inside of the Max from Saved by the Bell.
That was my vision. Another thing I'm proud of.
I made that shit come to life when I was, I saw it in my head,
I made it happen. But so yeah, I, I love, I love
arcade games. I grew up in arcades as a, as a

(44:58):
90s kid. So I have a lot of fun playing
with my kids, like telling them how things used to be and how
they never will be again. And it sounded like a real
boomer. So I've got a Pac-Man and a
Space Invaders and I really enjoy the Space Invaders, even
though it's just Space Invaders.I that's like my favorite
machine. I even got a couple of counter

(45:19):
caves. Like I got Frogger, which has
1942 on it. No time pilot time Pilot's one
of my all time favorites. But I'm going to pivot back to
The Simpsons. Are you a console player now and
or do you play Fortnite? I'll answer the second question
first. I'm 43 years old.
No, I don't play at Fortnite. I will not let my, I will not

(45:40):
let my kids play. I, I'm, I'm a huge nerd.
And so, but now I'm in 2025 and as a parent, I have come to this
crossroads that many parents have where they have the screen
dilemma. We have all these, the research
about how it affects these kids brains and their development,
not to mention the social issueswith like phones and stuff.
There's kids in my, my son's, he's in, he's nine years old.

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His friends have phones. It's crazy.
I'm not going to do all that. So Fortnite and playing with
grown people that I'm not going to get into the chats because
listen, we've all been in one ofthose.
He could do that with his friends on.
Like when he's playing right next to him, I'm like, do you
want to forget him? Somebody you go to your friend's
house, they come over here or you play with me and I'll whip

(46:23):
your ass. And so that's what we'll do.
Yeah, that. I mean, that's old school.
Like that's like pull out the Nintendo 64, get everybody on
some No Mercy or some Goldeneye stuff like that.
I get it. The only reason I bring it up is
Fortnite this particular month. Is I saw the it's.
Dude, it looks just like you're watching the cartoon.
It's insane the detail they put into it.

(46:44):
Yeah, I think the crossover stuff is cool.
I think the little cross motion,little gimmicks they do are
cool. But I I'm not big into into kind
of spazzy type shooters like that.
I do play consoles, but I don't play often because I have no
time. And there are in my hierarchy of
my life, there's things that arejust end up being more

(47:04):
important, which is the story ofadulthood, you know, like having
three kids and all these responsibilities.
Manson I just want to, I want toplay, you know, on just play for
six hours, you know, like I usedto into the early morning, like
when I was on Modern Warfare 2. You know, I want to go back to
the good old days and just not have to wake up for anything.

(47:24):
But that's not my life anymore. So I got APS 5, I got all the
retro consoles. I play my my son and I play the
WV games a lot and we have a lotof fun with those.
For all of their faults, you cando some really wacky shit in
those games and it's really it'sreally fun, especially when you
play and watch through the lens of a child video games, just
like wrestling, or just way moreenjoyable.

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Well, I can tell you this much. We toyed around with the idea of
having a, a video game streamingnetwork as part of like what we
do. And yeah, the chats just amongst
us, never going to happen. Just never going to happen.
We're awful to each other. I'll leave it at that.

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You, you mentioned your son and you guys are playing wrestling
now. So you took a couple years off.
Now that you're back in to wrestling, is your son watching
you wrestle? Yes, he had.
He had actually gotten into wrestling.
You know, he watched him cut my matches back in 2019, two 1020,
but he didn't really know what was going on.

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You know, now that he's nine years old, he's with it.
He's a he's a big he's a big wrestling fan now.
He likes awa lot. He also, I mean, he's he's kind
of like me. He just likes wrestling.
And so he'll watch anything. And of course, like all the
kids, he thinks Will Osprey and Darby Allen are the coolest
because they do the craziest shit.
And I was like, I totally get it.

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I told you. And he also loves powerhouse
Hobbs and I go, why do you like powerhouse hogs?
And he goes because he's jacked.And I was like, exactly.
You have you have nailed, you'vedistilled the essence of what
makes a good professional wrestler.
You don't have all of them, but if they're jacked and or they do
cool moves, you're going to they're going to be over, which

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is why Goldberg was so over because he was jacked and he did
cool moves didn't matter. They couldn't work a whole
didn't matter. Same thing with The Ultimate
Warrior. Oh, man, exactly.
You know, and there's just certain, certain people who get
by on their aura and that's all they need to do, you know.
And I mean, dude, when I got into wrestling, when I got into
wrestling, I got in kind of late.

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And like right before Attitude Air kicked in right before, it
was like like a couple months before the Monday Night Wars
really kicked off. And my three favorite wrestlers
were Sid Ed Johnson and Raider Bro.
Nothing wrong with that and. Then, but then I grew up and I
was like, I, I, I used to love watching Ahmed Johnson's

(49:50):
matches. Now I'm like, I feel so bad for
the guys in the ring with that dude that that man was a
nightmare in there. I'm not a Vader was, you know,
Vader was great, but you know, like a like easy night.
But Lisa Leon, like, knew how to, knew how to protect people.
It seems. So, yeah, that's always that's

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so, you know, I always hear thatstory and I'm like, man, he must
have just been on a bad streak or something because I was on a
few shows of them. He didn't smell, you know, but
maybe that he was smartened up to it and I have no idea.
Maybe it's a weekly thing for him.
The Vader's. Vader's a guy.
I will always, I will always defend.
I mean, even if he was stinky, Idon't give a shit.
Let him be stinky, OK? I didn't have to work him as as

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what's her face would say on on Twitter.
What was that chick's name? Sarah Stock.
Yeah, she was. She was having a good one.
She was having a good one a couple weeks ago.
He didn't. He never, never touched you this
stinky year. Yeah, I don't know.
I I heard that and I was on, I always, I feel kind of bad.
It's like trying to, it's like alike a, you know, he's gone.

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He can't defend himself. So did he stink?
Did he not? I don't know.
I just loved Vader and I got to meet him on one of my first
obviously wrestling shows and itwas one of the, and Mike Austin
in the same show and we got to eat dinner with we got to eat
dinner. Me and Roddy eat dinner with
Mike Austin and and Vader after the show, Leon.
And it was incredible. I talked PC gaming with Mike

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Austin. He was, he was, you know,
healthier at that point in mind and body.
And he talked about PC gaming and like how much he loved
playing computer games with his kids.
In retrospect, obviously heartbreaking.
And he was one of my favorite wrestlers ever too.
So I got to sit with Mike Austinand Vader, Vader tells Roddy.
And of course they're cracking gears.
You know? Vader tells Roddy the Stan

(51:43):
Hansen story. You know in Tokyo, Don't worry,
buses orbital bone out you. Know.
Who knows how much of this is embellished?
You know how those old timers love to to make stuff?
But he said he got like a crazy bonus from from the the Office
for finishing that match, I guess because of the fighting

(52:03):
spirit and all that. But it was a really cool story
here. How a matter of fact he was
about getting his eyeball pushedout of his skull.
Have you ever seen an injury in the ring comparable to the Vader
eye socket 1? I've seen this happen.
I saw an injury happen in a match I was in, in the first few

(52:27):
years of my my career, and it was so traumatizing for me.
It was a compound fracture of a finger.
And yeah, it was me and Roddy and Cedric Strong, which deep
dive. And you guys are probably
familiar, but most people said there was another one.
Like, yeah, there was almost 1/3.
So we were in a match. I went to like, I went to like a

(52:49):
bell. I went to like a belly to belly
on him. And he when he landed, his hand
was like above his head. And I, I bumped on his hand and
it was like his finger was pointed up.
So it just split and it looked like a chicken wing because I
heard him, like I heard him gasp.
And I turn around and, you know,I'm like wet behind the ears.
I'm softer than Charmin. Like I'm just, I'm just
starting. You know, I did not have a hard

(53:11):
upbringing. I was, you know, wrestling was a
big shock to my system, the culture at that time, I mean, 2,
early 2000s in Florida, brother.And so that was the craziest
shit I had ever seen. I was like, that is God awful.
You know, obviously I go to the hospital with him.
When you stay up all hours of the night, we have a good story

(53:33):
to tell. But you know, for a, for a green
guy like me, that was, that was nightmarish.
Louise, you. Have you ever seen those?
I mean, what's worse than that is the concussions is the guy.
I mean, I've been knocked out a lot, but my first double shot,
Ring of Honor, Mark Briscoe doesa shooting star off the top,
lands on his head and ends up being in a coma for a week in

(53:57):
Detroit. You know, I thought I saw him
die. You know, I met him through FIP
so I knew him pretty well and and I was like, wow, my first
double shot and Mark Wisco is done.
But he was like Mark Wisco does.He was fine.
I don't know how he does it, buthe's that that dude.

(54:17):
Every time I see him wrestle, I'm like, I cannot believe this
man is still doing it because that's not a guy that ever took
it easy ever, ever, even from backyard wrestling.
Just like just been going hard for 30 years now.
You you had spent some time in MLW as part of Team Filthy and
I'd really enjoyed that. Was it just like a timing thing?

(54:39):
Like, I wish we got more of you there.
Yeah, they brought me in a little bit later.
MSL and Court had reached out tome a couple of times and
frankly, I hate TV wrestling. Ring of the Ring of Honor HD net
years really killed any sort of allure there might have been for

(55:00):
for being to wrestle on a TV product.
It's just not my thing. A lot of long days of doing
nothing and some guys like the catering, some guys like the
doing nothing. That's not my thing.
I like to fly into a town, spenda couple hours in the hotel, do
my thing, fly back. That's what I like to do.
So it was, you know, like pulling teeth.

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But they got me, they got me in there and I've got to got to do
stuff with some of my best friends in wrestling, Tom and
Dom, and that was a blast. And so really enjoyed that.
Really enjoyed almost starting ariot in Texas with Devon Erichs.
That was a high point in my career as just as a wrestling
fan. I mean, I'm as this is it was it

(55:44):
was it was an honor, you know, plus I was I am kind of a shit
stir and that I'm just wishing somebody would a lot of times
I'm just like, what are these days?
I'm going to make use of this jiu jitsu someday I'm going to
get to use it in the streets andnever the day has not happened.
The day has not happened where Iget to prove how how good I am

(56:05):
at at ground, ground karate fighting.
But someday I will. But yeah, I mean, it was it was
a fun it was a fun time. But those like, like I said, get
to call time at 10 or 11 AM. You spend all day there and it's
just it's like just mind memory boring to me.
Not to mention it, you know, I ended up back at the arena doing

(56:27):
a long TV taping. I had like PTSD.
It was was not great. I will say this though, I do
enjoy any chance to do like a backstage backstage segment with
some character work because I didn't get a lot of chance to do
that right of order. So it was a lot of fun times.
A lot of like a lot of multiple takes being done because they
had at the time the guy from American Top Team.

(56:49):
The manager, Guy Dan Lambert. Holy shit, that guy is
hilarious. He would, we had to do so many
takes, man. He would, he, he was, he was on
one. He was, he was a special,
special guy. He really gets it like as a as a
talking guy in wrestling, like he got it from day one.
And so that was a lot of fun putting in with us.

(57:12):
But I think it was with King MO,We were doing something with
King MO, which is another super random thing that MLW does.
Just King MO title run, let's go.
But like that was just it was fun.
Got to say I did it. They actually asked me I think
to come back at a certain point.I just said I'm good.
I'm just, it's not my fault. Now, do you got anybody on your

(57:36):
bucket list for this run you're on now to to work before you,
you know, hanging up again one day?
Yeah, I. Think that.
I'm wondering if I so as a civilian, I have a lot of hot
shakes on Twitter. Sometimes I get on these

(57:57):
podcasts. I wonder if I should say how I
really feel, But I'm not going to because that would go against
my own personal philosophies in that I like to amplify the
things I like about professionalwrestling.
I like to promote the things I like, and I just ignore this
shit that I don't. It's very simple.
I know it seems alien to a lot of wrestling fans these days to

(58:19):
not participate in the discourse, but you can do it.
So there are AI mean DPW. Let's just eliminate DPW because
DPW has a roster full of people that I still have to tangle
with. But just I'd like to wrestle
Ryan Clancy. I think Ryan Fancy's an example

(58:41):
of a guy who has not yet been tainted by WWE ID and is still,
you know, one of these raw indietalents who I think has a lot of
promise. I know he's dropkick has gone
viral, but he is just a really good athlete, really good like
basic fundamental professional wrestler, which I think is a is
becoming kind of a lost art on the independence.

(59:05):
And clearly, you know, it's 2025.
It's a far cry from what it was in the 2000s or even 2000 and
10s for a litany of reasons, mostly because every good ***
wrestler gets a little bit of clout and they get signed and
then we have this power vacuum and that gets filled with
increasingly less deserving, less seasoned competitors.

(59:29):
And that's why we have the the scene we have now, But I
digress. I like to focus on I like to
focus on the good stuff. And I cannot believe that Roddy
Mash happened. I still feel like that was a
dream. I and you know, and if, if that
can happen, then I'll say this. I would love to wrestle go

(59:50):
Shiwazaki one more time. That would be so cool because
he's I can't believe he stole wrestling.
That's that's the guy that went extremely hard, extreme to the
point that his body started disintegrating.
Yeah, it's wild man. In the last like 3 years, you
know, we've got we're out here in Jersey and AE WS come through

(01:00:11):
in New York and New Jersey and I've got to see the great mood
to wrestle and just hockey and it's like man, this is what a
time to be alive. The wrestlers have a longer
careers than ever because of, you know, modern medicine.
We've got, we've got all, all sorts of cool drugs we can use
to, to live longer. And we have all this research.
We know how to recover. We know how to, to train and eat

(01:00:33):
better. So you're seeing, I think we're
going to see a lot longer, you know, career spans for the guys
who are doing it the the right way and not going a little bit
too hard too soon. But yeah, go.
I, I'm so I'm, I was shocked that he didn't retire.
He left. No, I thought he would be done
for good. So it's nice to see him reappear
in All Japan yet again. We're talking with Eric Stevens

(01:00:56):
at Eric Stevens 82 on the Twitter machine.
We're not going to keep you all night, Eric, but we do have to.
I have to ask you because I ask every guest and I feel like we
might get a, we might get something out of you on this
one. When was the last time you shit
your pants? Last time I shit my pants, I was
on vacation with my wife. We were going, we went to

(01:01:18):
California and we flew in to Sacramento and then drove to
like the loop did went to LA, went to San Diego.
We took a plane from San Diego to LA and the night before the
San Diego, I had sushi and for the first time, the only time

(01:01:43):
knocked on wood in my life, I got food poisoning, violence,
food poisoning. And so luckily I got most of it
out of my system before we had to get on the plane because I
mean, can you, I don't know if you've ever experienced it, but
having that, you know, when you have violent diarrhea, you can't

(01:02:03):
hold it. There's no holding it.
So when that plane is taxiing, who knows how long it's going to
be. So my fear at that point was
that I was just going to get stuck there.
But luckily it was, it was quick, quick sequence and we
were up in the air and then I destroyed their bathroom.
I felt so bad, man. Like I never want to poop on an
airplane. It's just not polite, right?

(01:02:27):
Not to matter. But it was multiple times just
spraying that thing, just spattering it.
It was God awful. But I, and I really thought that
by the time we landed, I would, it would have been clear, right?
Because it's usually like 24 hour thing, 12/12/24 hours.
And so we get in the car and nowmy stomach hurts so bad and

(01:02:47):
we're driving and there's no like gas station because it's
we're in LA and there's just 19 lanes for some ungodly reason.
And I'm like, oh man, I just gotto get some tension off my
stomach. I got to fart and I farted.
Most mostly. And so.

(01:03:09):
I was like, you know how like you go, you know how you go a
little bit too far and you immediately clench.
You're like. Yep.
Yep. Was it too, was it too late?
You know, was it was did I did Imake the cut?
And I was like, we got to we gotto pull up.
I have to go to the bathroom really bad.
So I go into the bathroom and I go go to go to the bathroom and

(01:03:30):
like, I know you probably want to hear me hear that I just
completely filled my pants, but it wasn't that bad.
However, it was the closest I'veever come to the point that
those undies did not leave that bathroom.
I took them off and I deposited them into the trash can where
they stayed forever because I was like, yo, that, that was

(01:03:50):
like, I Jackson Pollock, my my undies.
See, that's that's that's the right answer.
Well done. There is there is a member of
the of the panel here that wouldactually prefer to wash the the
undies that he just shit in in aporta potty.
So yeah. Had I been local and not on a
trip, would I'd tried to save them?
Probably not because some I think about now like we have a

(01:04:13):
puppy. She's she's just one now and
every once in a while she'll have an accident in her cage and
like poop on her blanket and we just toss that shit.
I'm not trying to watch that. It's you know what I mean?
You know it's not pee, it's poop, so.
Which? Reminds me I didn't admonish my
son for not wiping thoroughly enough.
That's always fun. Not the old, but I'm like what

(01:04:36):
is? This says.
Lord, did you even try? Look like look at my underwear
in frigging LA. I also like that you got the
question because we've asked some guys the question.
They're like like a log. No, if you're like taking full
dumps in your pants, you should not do on this podcast.
You should be going to a doctor immediately.

(01:04:58):
The only. Scenario in which crapping your
pants as an adult is acceptable is I I guess I've never been
this drunk, but I guess if you're black out drunk, maybe
that happens or you're or you'reyou have a violent case of food
poisoning. I think other than that, I mean
my worst nightmare is trying to wrestle with like food poisoning

(01:05:20):
like because I'm such a sicko that I'm like, I'm I'm not
missing this fucking booking. I'd be like white knuckling the
the playing scene, like what's wrong with this guy going
through he's going through withdrawals or something over
here. But no, I you know, it happens.
You know, it's another fun story.
I wrestled Necro butcher once and he gave me an atomic drop on

(01:05:42):
your chair this way. And I don't know if you guys
know this or not, but you can bleed from your tank.
You can bust it, you can bust itopen.
So that's that might, that's definitely worse than pulling
down your underwear and seeing poop is pulling down your
underwear and seeing blood and. Then who do you have checked to
like? I mean, you do you know, you're

(01:06:04):
like, is this thing is am I opened up?
Like what's going on down here? And you're like, oh, it's like a
scratch, but you just don't think your premium can be opened
up and you're like, get get cut like I never, I mean, it hurt
like a bitch. Like you can imagine landing
tailbone first just between nutsand butt hole onto a sealed

(01:06:25):
chair. But that's that's wrestling that
room, man. That's how do.
You have to like go to. Someone in the locker room and
be like hey man, like I need a favor you.
Got no, I think I think that I Inoticed that it's like it didn't
keep bleeding. So I was like cool, all right, I
didn't rupture anything. We're good because that would
have been very embarrassing tripto hospital.

(01:06:46):
Wasn't an X POC. RIP his he.
Did that story, I think, did he tear?
Oh no, that was joining the bullthat towards urethra.
That was a hell of a. That's right.
Yeah. How do you do that?
Doing a guillotine leg drop off the top rope to the outside.
You've never seen this bump. This is an infamous, infamous

(01:07:07):
clip. What's the best?
The best part is the story behind it and that he told Terry
Funk he was going to do it. And Terry said don't do it.
He told other people, they said don't do it.
He was, he was so desperate to like get over and like, you

(01:07:29):
know, to prove that he was he was he was worthwhile, I guess,
that he had to do his bump. And you can see as soon as he
lands, it's the padded part. But it doesn't matter.
You know, as soon as he lands, that expression on his face,
he's like, they were right. You know, they were right.
And that's like he broke his tail.
He broke his tailbone is pelvis I think and towards and towards

(01:07:51):
urethra. I'm like wow dude that's not it.
Just gives me the chills. I want to say he's a real estate
agent out here in Jersey now. Johnny the Bull.
I mean, that makes sense. He's always trying to try to

(01:08:11):
pick something that kind of is as a tertiary element of
professional wrestling, so I just do something where you
bullshit a lot and you're good. Eric, this is.
Cedric. Cedric Strong, I don't know if
anybody trivia. He sells cars and he's amazing
at it. He's like playing on his own
dealership at this point. So does Marco stunt now?

(01:08:34):
Oh yeah. Yeah, that was making the rounds
like 2 weeks ago. He's a car salesman now.
I can't see that. That's not, I mean it maybe it
works. You know, you're like, oh,
you're selling your car. OK, let's go.
Anyways, that's a very that's the mental image that I am
obsessed with right now. Yeah, if you just Google it, I'm

(01:08:56):
sure you'll be able to find the video he put like an Instagram
video. Like I sell cars now and then,
like a dealership. It was weird.
It was. Entertaining too.
Johnny the Bull is an associate sales director.
You can get your next home loan from him.
Oh yeah, Hell yeah, Johnny, whatI'm talking about.
Dude, his neck is as big as his cranium.
It's he's a gigantic neck like this.

(01:09:19):
If you still Jack, that's good because.
You could tell. I mean, he's wearing a suit and
tie in the picture, but yeah, you can clearly tell he's a
monster. That's awesome.
I always love when guys either just get in better shape or
just, you know, just stay in thesame shape.
It's a big fan of seeing dudes who had no reason to to still be
in great shape. Just being, you know, living,
living a good life. Yeah, well, he after after WWE,

(01:09:42):
he went to the University of Georgia and got a degree in
finance. Look at that.
What the hell, Johnny the. Bull fucking hey man.
That's great. Good for him.
Yeah, Eric, this has been amazing.
Anytime you want to come back onand shoot the shit or just talk
about wrestling. I mean, I'm sure right in your
wheelhouse. We do homework every week.
We had to watch the Malenkos against the Can am Express from

(01:10:04):
from All Japan. So he says.
We had to watch like it was a bad match.
Oh, we had to watch the Malenkos.
Oh my God. Yeah, because you guys, you
know, what's cool about that match is that there is, he was
one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time in that
match. And there's also Dean Milenko.

(01:10:24):
Yeah. Yeah.
Because Joe. Joe was a Joe.
Joe is the dog. Nobody.
Nobody remembers Joe. I love Dean.
I Oh, before we go, since you just mentioned Dean, I have to
tell you this story. I just told it to the kids at
the rest of the school the otherweek.
So I'm in Tampa eating sushi with my girlfriend.
My girlfriend's mom is New Yorker, very outgoing.

(01:10:45):
I'm super shy. Once again, soft as Charmin,
just wet behind the ears, green as hell, Keep sushi.
And I see Dean Malenko walk on the front board.
I'm a huge Dean Malenko, Mark massive.
And I'm like, Oh my God, that's Dean Malenko.
And my girlfriend's mom was like, who's Dean Malenko?
He's a wrestler. She goes, do you want me to go
introduce you to him? I go no, absolutely.
Not I don't. No, this is 2004.

(01:11:08):
So he's like, you know, so Dean Malenko.
And so we were eating dinner andthank God, I seemed to talk to
you off the ledge and you were walking out.
And of course, he's walking towards us for some reason,
probably going to the bathroom. And so she says, hey, this is
Eric. He's my, you know, my daughter's
boyfriend. He's becoming.

(01:11:29):
He's a professional wrestler. Do you have any advice for him?
And I will never forget this. Before the day I die, he looks
me dead in the face, does not change his facial expression,
and he goes pick another business and walks away.
And walks away. Wow.

(01:11:52):
No giggle. No.
Awake, no smile, nothing. I had an existential crisis
right there. I was like, what does he mean?
Should I not be a wrestler? What?
What is because at Because at first you're like, oh, he thinks
I suck, so I shouldn't, I shouldn't do it.
And then you're like, oh, wait, he just thinks that about the

(01:12:13):
wrestling business. And after many years, I realized
that's Dean and you can't, can'ttake me personal.
He was right, though. He was fucking.
Right. Son of a bitch.
He had the foresight. He knew.
He knew. Man, Eric, this was AI had such

(01:12:39):
a good time. I'm sure we could talk to you
all night, but I know you're a busy guy.
You had a long day. You got to prepare for Friday.
If you can't be in California, DPW does have the on demand
thing. So if you don't get to see it
live, you can watch it. I went back and I watched the
Roddy match 16 minutes of of awesome and hit you know, Eric
and and Brian Keith this Friday night will not disappoint.

(01:13:01):
If you're familiar with Brian, Keith and, and Eric's work, it's
it's something you don't want tomiss.
And man, if I can be there in Newark on the 21st, I would love
to celebrate my 44th birthday inNewark, NJ.
Heart ball room, baby. Why not exactly?
I'm in, I'm 100. Percent.
Been a long times I've been, I've been in.
I spent a lot of a lot of time in Newark, a lot of time in

(01:13:23):
Newark. But how much of a good I got to
say, well, the airport was there.
They fly us in, they fly us in Newark.
I can just say that the worst hotels I've ever stayed at is in
Newark. So, you know, but if you're not,
if your wife doesn't feel threatened, is it really that
that great of a trip? You know, but who knows?

(01:13:45):
Yeah, I've I've been spent most of my time in North Carolina
since coming back. So I'd like to that's one of my
goals as far as this run days for the next, you know, who
knows how long it's going to be,but I'm planning on wrestling
into next year. I'd like to see some other
locales that I haven't seen in awhile.
So, you know, New Jersey, New York, the place Chicago, I'd
love to go back to those those areas and, you know, kind of

(01:14:08):
relive the glory years, but I'm just grateful to be back and and
having a having a blast. And I think Brian and I at the
Showdown and carry this weekend for this Friday should be quite
the tussle. Awesome.
Look forward to it, man. Eric, thank you man.
This was a lot of fun. That's what I try to do.
I don't try to wrestling. Sometimes when people get too

(01:14:30):
serious with it, it loses the ITloses the appeal to me.
So I think we got to we got to laugh about stuff and I when I
go out there, I try to have fun matches that people want to
watch. So luckily I had the luxury of
not giving a shit anymore and that's what I do so.
Comes with age, man. Yeah, yeah, it's good.

(01:14:51):
It's a good, it's good, good place to be.
Oh, we love you, Eric. Thanks for taking time out of
your busy schedule, man. And we'd talk soon.
We'd love to get you back on. Thank you guys.
Appreciate you having me. Thanks for joining.
US. Good night.
Eric Stevens. Well, that was a lot of fun.
Yeah, there we go. Now we fit right into place.

(01:15:15):
Oh, man. See, he gets it.
You shit your pants. It's not a log.
It's a shark. What does mean?
It couldn't be a log. Come on, you know how I mean.
I don't know what's going on with your butt hole.
You just have logs falling out bro.
I don't just have logs, I'm justsaying it could be right.
It could be. Like 99% of the time it's a fart

(01:15:38):
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(01:15:59):
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Kevin's, you know, pontificates on some Midwestern.
Yeah. You know what?
I'll just we'll be back after I go.
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So, so Tony looks like he's fully in on this, this potential
Cody Rhodes heel turn. What did you guys think about
the the match from Saturday night's Main event?

(01:20:25):
I it was I didn't love it. I didn't it was a lot of, you
know, ref bump bullshit. That's which is just, you know,
I I don't care for it. I was actually thinking about
this the the other morning too, with with obviously the the
teased Cody heel, you know, heelturn and and kind of where he's
at now. I just I want heroes like I want

(01:20:47):
heroes in wrestling. I think that's one of the things
I loved about Cody when he when he came back.
So he was just pure good guy. So I don't know if I'm
necessarily for this, this Cody heel turn because I want to.
I want heroes again, you know what I mean?
I want true just face heroes andit's something that we've we
haven't really had in a long time.
So I don't know if I'm on board with the with the Cody, he'll

(01:21:09):
turn or not. You know, I mean, I think that I
think Drew and Cody can work well together and you didn't
need all the all the extracurricular bullshit.
But I mean, Saturday night, it'smain event as a whole.
I wasn't I wasn't too high on all together.
So. I think Jade had a decent match
against Tiffy time. They had the injury angle.
I I didn't, I didn't get to the main event yet.

(01:21:33):
That was my only disappointment.I like how Dominic rang the bell
and Rousseff thought he won. That was a clever, you know,
trick that hasn't been done in awhile.
Also, when Dominic threw the chair to Rousseff and the ref's
like, what the fuck are you doing?
There's no disqualifications, asshole.
Yeah, he noticed when he. When he threw the chair, he
didn't like hit it or anything, so it wasn't, you know, like

(01:21:56):
pretending to get hit or anything.
It was, I mean, I, I, I enjoyed it overall.
I can see why you guys are picking nits, but you know.
I really enjoyed the IC title match, the Jade match.
I I mean that was like almost blink if you miss it or blink
and you miss it. Well, that's what it had to be
though, you know, like they played off the injury.

(01:22:19):
Jade got in there. She did what Jade does.
She hits it with the fucking turn around thing, goes back
licks or V and whatever and that's it, you know?
Yeah, here's your vision. I don't oh, here we go.
No, because it's so fucking and it's a problem with WWE booking.
It's so telegraphed and sometimes it's OK, right when
Cody finally beats Rowan Reigns like that, we knew we needed

(01:22:41):
that moment, right this like Nick Aldus, like, you know, you
don't have to defend the title tonight, Tiff.
And she's like, I'm going out there and like the first
offensive move she does, she tries to jump off the top rope
with a fucking knee, bad knee. Like it didn't make any sense.
She was going for her finish, bro out of here with that
bullshit. Her first offensive move, she's
going to the top rope. That's not using your noggin.

(01:23:04):
Fucking get her Dick kicked in. There's, there's, there's a
difference between not using your noggin and going along with
the story and making sure that the story makes sense, right?
So she's a babyface. She's going to try to hit that
finish and when she can't do it,that's her downfall.
That, that that point has to be in the plot.
Because if it's not, then Jay just fucking beats her and

(01:23:25):
that's it. Who gives a fuck?
The injury's got to play. If you're going to make a
statement about the injury goinginto it, you got to make sure
the injury plays into the fucking finish.
You have to, which is what annoys me when people do run
insurance and the fucking match doesn't finish.
People doing a run in, that shit's got to end the match.
Otherwise, what the fuck was thepoint, right?

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That's an important part to the story.
Like, I get it, you might not like it, you think it's kind of
cliche whatnot, but it the way they were telling the story,
it's got to be there. Otherwise, what the fuck did you
tell me that story for? I'm sorry you had another
another knit to pick. No, it wasn't a knit.
Also, Jay USO's just an entrance.
He bores the shit out of me. I'm sorry.

(01:24:07):
That's fair enough. That match.
That match, that match was very meh for the up until I would say
like the last like 2 minutes. They got me a little bit with
the false finishes at the end, but.
He he cuts a good promo to get the crowd into it but he gets
gassed when he's cutting promos always.

(01:24:29):
Every time the promo he cut on Smackdown with with Phil, he was
just like who's pull, pull letters, what word like
constantly like trying to catch his.
It's like, dude, you can't get that worked up just from fucking
cutting a promo. You know what I'm saying?
There's getting, there's gettingworked up and then there's

(01:24:50):
fucking gassing yourself out andhe always gasses himself out.
Yeah, he's he's he's best suitedfor the tag team.
Like I, I really believe that. And I think that, like that main
event was was so sloppy Joe to me.
And I'm a I'm a huge CM Punk fan, but the the whole match
just just did not flow in a in amanner that that made me
entertained or like really brought me into it.

(01:25:11):
And you don't need, you don't need fucking two GTSS to put Jay
USO down. Who?
Who are we fucking kidding? Do you find that's weird?
Like all the top guys lately have been using like their their
finishing move multiple times? Like it became a thing with
Roman Reigns with the Superman punch.
It became a thing with Cody withthe crossroads.
Now it's becoming a thing CM Punk with the go to sleep.
You know what I'm saying? Like can't we just get back to

(01:25:34):
an RKO and that's it? You know what I mean?
Like fucking finish that shit. We're not even they create each.
Other's finishers too, you know you got it's OJ USO using the
fucking go to sleep too or CM Punk using the a spear or what
not. Saturday night's main event does
not need to be the main event ofWrestleMania where these guys

(01:25:56):
are kicking out of finishers. It just doesn't save that shit
for the most important show of the year or the most important.
Look, if it's if it's the summerslam main event, it's the blow
off match. It's a big we got them by the
ball situation, but you do it every fucking pay-per-view like
and that's across the West. WWEAWMLW everywhere.

(01:26:17):
You just can't abuse the finishers.
Make the finishers mean something.
I did I did see something that Iwanted to ask you guys about cuz
I think it's a fucking it's one of the stupidest takes I've seen
in a long time. Somebody was was was begging on
Sarah's main event, which is fine.
You didn't like the show, don't like the show, don't give a
shit. But pointing out like, oh, but

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they're, they're champions are no former AEW people.
If, if the fucking company, if the fucking company believes
they have somebody, it's supposed to be like, oh, we're
not going to put the title on them.
They used to work over there. Go fuck yourself.
They're like, oh, Ricky Starks is a former.
Look at him. Jake Cargill's former.

(01:26:57):
Who gives a flying fuck? If the company believes that
they can make a star out of somebody who they're not going
to put the title on them. They're not going to put the
belt on them just because they used to be an A.
It fucking drove me nuts when I read that.
Go fuck yourself. Now, I will say I did tweet out.
I think it's fun that every one of these matches has a former
AEW star. Oh, it was you.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was you.

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No, no, no, no, no. I didn't tweet at that.
Get them HK. Calm down, I didn't tweet out
that they were all champions. I just said I thought it was fun
and I meant that because we've gone for so long without a WCW.
And no disrespect to TNA, but TNA was always the the the
redheaded stepchild to the WWF. So I think it's fun now that

(01:27:41):
we're back to, and I'm not comparing, I'm not saying AW
fumble it with these guys. WWE is putting all their titles.
I'm not saying that. I just think it's fun that we've
reached this point in pro wrestling again where you can
say things like there's somebodyfrom AW who's in being featured,
but I'm not putting a ton of I'mnot, I'm not going to the extent

(01:28:05):
as this person that cuz I saw it.
It was a picture of the four of them with the, the titles and
someone like, oh, WWE strapped up all the former AW champions
and I'm with the HK. Not the case.
We all knew Jade Cargill was a star in, in AW.
She's got the fucking look, you know, and she's gone to WWE and
she's worked on her craft. And same thing with Maxine

(01:28:26):
Dupree, right? She's getting her IC title shot
tonight. You know, it's it's time we got
to start seeing these younger cats.
That's what I've been saying. Yeah.
I'm with you. We're we're together on that.
Now, here's something that really bothered me, and we
talked about this last week. These fucking promos.
No, boy, right? All these weird promos,
something big. It's for fucking WrestleMania

(01:28:47):
42. Fucking jerk me off.
And it's got all the same faces at the table.
CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns.
I don't give a shit. Stop Triple H, Paul Heyman, what
are the best things they've everdone on social media?
And it's fucking promote WrestleMania 42.
Get the fuck out because it's not something you wanted.

(01:29:11):
I wanted it to be something elseand it's not what I wanted.
Who did you want it? Who did you want at the table?
Did you want Rusev? Pento?
Phoenix Dog Wanted it to be a fucking commercial for
WrestleMania 42. I wanted it to be a new faction.
I was so excited for it to be a faction.
Now it's a commercial. I want a tournament.

(01:29:33):
You love a tournament. What'd you think it?
What'd you think they were goingto do?
Like a fucking poker chip tournament or a fucking battle
Royale? Like the other Lenny poffo on
themselves. They're sucking their own Dicks.
So what? It feels good?
Who cares? Smells itself.
They don't need to be wasting. They're not bothering you like
this. They're not asking you to accept
their deviant lifestyle. This other fucking dildo from

(01:29:56):
TKO, the fans will go to Saudi Arabia for WrestleMania.
No, they fucking won't. They didn't go to fucking
Saturday night's main event in Utah.
I'm surprised Tombstone Jesus was in there.
Hey you notice he mentioned dildos and sucking Dick?
He sucks a Dick. Fuck that guy Hki.
Don't know about you but I thinkmaybe double T might be get

(01:30:19):
himself some new pronouns. What?
Does that mean? I don't know, dildos sucking,
Dick blowing tombstone. Jesus, like what the fuck are we
doing guys? Sucks.
He fucking. Oh, he sucks.
Yeah, he was fun for 5 minutes. You ever get your cat?
And I got all my shit from him. He's not APJ Polacco.

(01:30:44):
The guy ships his merchandise. He's a hell of a fucking
musician. I might add, I don't hear PJ
Polacco putting out any fucking hits.
Doesn't take a lot to fucking impress.
You aren't. Jesus Christ.
Hell of a music. Stop.
Sorry, he wasn't sucking my Dick.
Does that mean I can't like the guy?
Oh, it's fun for 5 minutes. Yeah, like whoever you want.

(01:31:07):
I'm a fast finisher. Yeah, and every time we say
Utah, like tombstone Jesus. Tombstone Jesus.
Well, what the fuck else came out of Utah?
The Jazz. John Stock was a Carl Moss.
Didn't even come out of Utah. That was New Orleans, you dildo.
The Jazz. Not, not fucking Jazz in
general, the Utah Jazz. Easy over there.
Matt Penfield? No, the Utah Jazz came from New

(01:31:29):
Orleans. They moved to Utah.
Thank you, Tony. What do you think?
There's just jazz in Utah? Hey, that makes sense, right,
Matt? Utah.
Fucking stupid phone. Jesus, you got two, son.
Jesus fuck. Yeah.
He's blowing trumpets all over the fucking state.

(01:31:49):
Well, he's blowing somebody. For 5 minutes. 5 minutes, yeah.
And the set is over. Oh my God, no rusty trombones in
fucking Utah. I bet you those Mormons probably
go crazy with the rusty trombones.

(01:32:10):
Oh, the women do for sure. The men do too.
Yeah, but they're usually receiving because they all got
like 10 wives over there. Sony T-shirt idea, Rusty
trombones are for everyone. Yeah, just like T Dogs Bar and
Grill. Yeah, There we go.
You. But you don't like T Dogs.
No, more like that's that ship has sailed.
Yeah. We were also going to do fucking
Lucky Pierre's fucking baguette shop or whatever the fuck it

(01:32:32):
was. I'm ready for it.
We can't sell the fucking Christmas shirts.
You want to fucking sell fuckingT Dogs Bar and Grill?
Well, maybe there's other holidays we should be
celebrating with shirts. Yeah, let's do a Saint Patrick's
Day shirt. Saint Patrick's Day shirts might
sell also. We do have Tony Great Segway.
We do have Christmas shirts if you're looking to order one. 15.

(01:32:55):
15 American dollars. Tony will get him out to you
ASAP. Tony knows where the post office
is. Fucking bro.
He not only hit all the points, he made the same joke I did.
Same fucking joke. Go, go back and listen, you
wizard. Yeah.
Utah Jazz facts, right? They were the New Orleans Jazz.

(01:33:19):
That's where. Yes, they were for one year.
You surprised me. Oh, look at that.
I'm getting orders already. Like I'm I'm getting I'm getting
DMS for orders for sure. Are you really?
Fuck yeah. All right, people got ordering
shirts. I don't want to.
I don't want to put the guy out there, but if he's willing to,
he's in the chat. It's great.

(01:33:40):
I love it. I love you.
I love you people. I love the fans of the Shining
Wizard Wrestling podcast. Anything else in the WWE world
before Brundo puts himself? No, I want, I want to crucify
Brundo. Let's get to it.
Stoned to death. Speaking of Christmas.

(01:34:06):
I thought that was Easter. So I didn't have the energy to
go. I don't have the energy in me to
go watch the first hour of Dynamite because the second hour
definitely did not make me want to go back and watch the first
hour of Dynamite. Oddly enough, that was the same

(01:34:28):
hour that I was that I watched. First hour was great.
I'm sure it wasn't look and I'm not switching.
So wait, wait, time out. Hold up, did the show start with
the fucking summit with the fucking the fucking the fucking
idiot family? That's a dildo before Tony.

(01:34:48):
I was trying not to use that word.
When when when was when was the summit with the family?
We would take a shit and fuckingand and.
That was that was like halfway through the show.
Oh. OK, so that was the 9:00 hour.
OK, so the shit started perfectly when I started
watching. All right, where where we got
it? So what did you where did your
shit start during the during thefucking summit with the family

(01:35:09):
and and all the fucking assholesfrom now.
I missed that. I've I got the Moxley Kyle
O'Reilly match. Oh great, that's right, Moxley,
the fucking technical wizard that he is.
I think that's, I think that's leading somewhere the Moxley,
Kyle O'Reilly stuff. Everything's tank.

(01:35:32):
They're gonna do blood and. Guts.
Exactly. And I think it's gonna end, and
I really hope it does. I think it's gonna end with Kyle
O'Reilly tapping out Moxley and that's going to start the
decline of the death riders. Not when Darby had him tap out
or when Hangman Adam Page had him tap out.
Kylo fucking Riley tapping. Him.
Hey Kylo, it it's storytelling. Moxley punches the ref to a week

(01:35:56):
ago. The match goes over double count
out now get him in blood and guts.
Fucking death riders turn on him.
We got a story. He's trying, he said.
He's all tried it in the world and usually I'm the one who's
got his back. But I didn't.

(01:36:17):
I didn't necessarily hate the match, but it was everything
else after the match, right? Double count out, right.
Marina Shafir gets in there. She fucking lays out the
referee. Oh, she's, I fucking hate her.
I like, I genuinely hate her. All she does is stand there and
mug, right? So then we get this women's tag

(01:36:38):
team match. Your favorite wrestling,
women's, women's wrestling. Nothing has changed in 14 years.
And at some point, they announced that Penelope Ford is
hurt and she can't compete. So Megan Bay needs A tag team
partner. I need someone to explain to me

(01:37:01):
how this woman just put her hands on an official and she is
not being punished yet she's being rewarded with a spot in
the tag team tournament. The.
Storytelling punched. The.
Ref the week before was he wait,wait, which official did she
hurt? If it was Rick Knox, then I'd.

(01:37:22):
Throw a fucking parade in this fucking Kyle O'Reilly Jon Moxley
match. Hopefully it was Rick Knox.
It was fucking horse face and she was laughing on the mat.
She decked horse face. Yes, and she was on the mat.
All right, that's why she's in it.
You know what? I just, I, I kind of agree with
her. I agree with Bundo on that.

(01:37:43):
She sent her to the glue factorystory too.
She was on, she was on fucking collision and she's the fucking
worst. Nay.
She's the absolute fucking worst, God damn it.
I think one of the favorite, my favorite pictures I've ever had
is from from the WrestleMania Hulk Hogan in the Rock at their

(01:38:05):
stare down and somebody just photoshopped Aubrey right in the
middle of it with her if she wasthe. 90 yard stare.
Yup. God damn it like.
It just I, I, I, I don't like, how am I?
There's just no, like there's noconsistency where we have, we've
been building up this blood and guts for weeks and then we're

(01:38:27):
going to do A tag team tournament and then we're just
going to put everybody in blood and guts.
What the fuck? They've all been.
Women's blood and guts is 6. Versus. 6 which is a women's
blood and guts too yes, while this tag tournaments going on
yes as an aside. Skylander in it as well.

(01:38:47):
As an aside, I bet you Aubrey Edwards make a Good Wife.
She is a wife. She is a wife who married a man.
I. Like how you had to clarify that
I'm just saying, like I look at HK's collection, I look at, I
look at Double T's room there she probably has a fucking

(01:39:08):
awesome like figure collection. She's probably got shit from
when she was like a little kid. Probably like autographs from
everybody, like photos with wrestlers.
Like she'd be a catch for a wrestling fan.
Honestly. Yeah.
I don't think she really got into wrestling till later in
life. Tony.
No, but she was one. She cried in one of the fucking

(01:39:28):
when Daniel Bryan won the title.All right, You've cried during a
wrestling match. I'm sure.
I cried when Tito Santana got beat by the Macho Man.
I was 11. I was so mad.
I was in tears. I was throwing shit at the TV.
No, actually, it was 86. Yeah, I was still 11.

(01:39:49):
I mean, I can't really. I was like 7.
My brother, Uncle Danny looked at me and he goes, what's wrong
with you? I go, he cheated.
He beat Tito. I got a screaming argument with
my father when Chris Benoit lostto The Rock in like 1919992000
because, you know, Joe and Joe could be overly obnoxious.
And I was like, this is bullshit.

(01:40:10):
The Rock can't fucking wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag.
He should have never beat Chris Benoit.
That's all right. I was like 131415.
Whenever I would watch, Nitro and Larry Sabisco would start
talking and making me cry. What?
A fucking Dick answer. Kevin did nothing to you
tonight. Storytelling.

(01:40:39):
And then, then we have this, this four way #1 contenders,
man, I'm sorry. Hook.
What the fuck is Hook doing in this horseshit?
He's got a story with Joe. He used to be in the OPS.
He's. Got a great.
Record. Got a great record.

(01:41:00):
We're bringing back the records.Hell yeah, they still show the
records. If storytelling is not on the
list for fucking episode titles tonight, we fucking lost.
You are. You are.
Absolutely fucking adorable. I don't care if it's not the
title that has to be in contention.

(01:41:22):
And look, man, like it's down there.
Tony oh, oh, oh, the finish of the match.
Yeah. Tell tell the story.
Double T Samoa Joe is choking out Hook and Bobby Lashley is
supposed to try and get in thereto break it up, but he's going a
little too fast so he purposely stops himself from getting

(01:41:43):
involved completely on camera and the camera catches the whole
fucking thing. And then the after bullshit, Oh
my fucking God, I get it. It's fucking Halloween.
It's also I think the sickos, their sickness might be they're

(01:42:03):
all mentally retarded. I broke the people were fucking
love. They love this bullshit after
the match because Hangman, where's the state puff
marshmallow man thing he's done in a couple years?
So now here comes all these fucking goofballs and the, the,
the sign, the fucking, the, the match is over.

(01:42:26):
We immediately need to sign the contract.
Do not let anything breathe. Don't let anything sit in the
air. Don't promote it for shitty
collision. Collision.
Oh my God, Collision used to be a show for wrestling.
I don't know what the fuck. I watched you last night and
today they bring out fucking Tony Shivani and all the fucking

(01:42:46):
Halloween freaks and then the the OPS got to beat everybody up
because they think one of them is Adam Page and we got the
fucking Tony shit that takes forever for everybody to get 3
Tony Shivani's. So Tony Shivani is not he
doesn't call down the middle. He clearly is cheering Adam Page

(01:43:07):
because he was happy to record whatever bullshit this one.
It was just so fucking stupid. Overrun.
It's got. We're going to have overrun
tonight. For what?
If you have Tony Shivani do something like that, he has to
play it straight like it was just it's not there's.

(01:43:27):
I'm sorry, I haven't. I enjoy a lot of what AW does.
I hated what I watched Wednesdaynight.
Fucking hated. This was so fucking dumb and
people were like Can you believehe was Tony Shivani?
Fuck. Your hand.
People. We're we're booking AAW like

(01:43:50):
it's WWE got a double count out.We got fucking Joe getting
another title shot because he won some jerk off four way
match. God damn it this suck the ball
bag. I'm.
Excited for this week? Now now would him, you know, he
was the the puff marshmallow guyand there was a puff marshmallow
guy there. Brenda flies that long term

(01:44:12):
storytelling. Oh yeah, that was years ago
where he showed up. Absolute long term story telly.
I still can't believe there weredouches out there that were
trying to convince everyone thatthe Kenny Omega Adam Page
fucking storyline went over a year when they did things for a
month, forgot about it for 11 1/2 and then came back for two

(01:44:33):
weeks and said hey long term baby, remember this, no.
Long term no see. That's still a long term story.
Took 12 months to finish. So yeah, man, I and I watched
Collision last night and today and it was.
I don't know. It there was not like I want to

(01:44:57):
see more of that Olympia chick yes, she's like some like, but
like she she also like I don't know, I get it.
You're like fucking diesel, but like you, you got the upper hand
of Monet. Why are you stopping the fucking
show off your fucking your muscles knocking off lady Smush
this bitch. Swish this bitch man.

(01:45:19):
Didn't Monet win another title? So now she has like 12 belts I.
Don't know. She's supposed to 12 last.
Time We talked for a little while.
Gives a shit throw them on the fucking garbage while she goes
out to the ring. Fuck that.
I don't know like I don't give ashit about Anthony Bones and Max
Caster like that. That ship has sailed.
The the, the I guess we're goingto get Okada to catch the

(01:45:41):
somewhere. It's not going to be at the
Wrestle Kingdom because we got it's going to be Takeshita and
Yodasuji for the for both belts.That's going to be the match.
I guess they're going back to all Japanese.
I mean, wait, what belt does Yodasuji have?
The global international good. Get rid of that fucking thing

(01:46:04):
too. Get rid of it.
I hate to say it too. I know like we always bitch and
moan about AW with all the belts, but did you guys know
Ethan Page and Chelsea Green arenow like the fucking mixed tag
team champions of AAA? Number one, it's really weird
seeing these belts that used to be on AEW all of a sudden now on
WWETV. But second, like how many more

(01:46:28):
fucking belts do we need to bring in?
We got the TNA belts showing up now we got all these AAA belts
showing up. Like like what the fuck?
Speed belts. Yeah, none of them mean a
fucking thing. Like we talked to Eric Stevens
about it, like you had the Commander, Mark Briscoe and
Roderick Strong beat LFI and Sami Guvara's 1/2 of the tag
team champions, the Ring of Honor tag team champions.

(01:46:50):
Like he comes out with it. How are you?
How am I supposed to give a shitabout these champions when all
they do is fucking lose on TV? Mercedes Monet is the interim
Ring of Honor TV champion. She will not be on Ring of Honor
TV anytime in the near future, ever.
She'll never be on Ring of HonorTV.
I'll call it now. Never, ever, ever.

(01:47:10):
I mean, I'll defend WWE for putting the TNA titles on on
their NXT because it's not like you're going to fucking see it
anyplace else. They haven't had a show in three
weeks. Their last three show last week
was a fucking Halloween special and then the two weeks before
that were like recap shows. TNA.

(01:47:31):
Yeah, they haven't had a single show in three weeks.
That's that's disappointing. Yeah, Mike Santana wins.
It's this big thing. And then they haven't had a
fucking show. I'm going to scratch Tony and
handsome Kevin where they itch. The taint.
You guys see the trio's match that was announced for Full
Gear? No.

(01:47:52):
Can you please tell us it's the Young Bucks, Young Bucks and
Josh Alexander against Jurassic Express and Kenny Omega, the $1
million trios. I was just going to ask you, is
this for $1,000,000? This time it is it.
Is Don Kell is trying to get theBucks on board?

(01:48:16):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but they're they're kind
of like they want to be friends with Kenny, but they don't want
to be friends with Kenny. What's going on there?
Kallis is showing what he can dofor them.
For 5 minutes. More.
More. Double time story time. 10
minutes storytelling time. Long term storytelling.

(01:48:41):
So the Bucks lost the $500,000 match and now they get they
upped the ante. Now they're going to go for a
million? Like how does that work?
Don Kallis knows people bro. Oh fuck him too.
Fucking bald prick. He sucks.
His family sucks, everything about him sucks.
His dumb fucking ankles. When he doesn't wear socks with
his fucking suit he can fuck allthe way off.

(01:49:02):
I don't like his ankles, I don'tlike him and his ankles suck.
HK, you've done a lot of laughing.
Did you take another week off? No, I did not of.
Course, you come back this week.You miss anything HK?
Not really. Not really, no.

(01:49:22):
I fucking like it's. I just think it's so cute.
Wonderful. I always got the conviction with
the. It's a story.
Which is, no, it's fucking not. It's fucking great.
I love it. You stick to your guns and
you're fucking wrong. It's, it's just I love you so
much. I'm a fucking sicko.
I'm right. Well, no.
Like Double T said before, don'tbe a superstar, Jimmy.
Like get your shit together. Man, you're better than that.
No man, like it was it was just bad.

(01:49:44):
And but I caught the I caught the end of it Wednesday night
and like even just catching the last whatever it was 1/2 an
hour, I was like, how fucking bad could this be?
So then I had to go back and watch.
Yeah, it was a shit show. It.
Was an absolute shit show. I mean, like and like even like
if you eliminate the things thatI already know that I'm going to

(01:50:07):
hate about it, tag team matches that don't make any fucking
sense cuz they're not tag team matches, not rules, not mad.
Like if you eliminate even all that fucking bullshit noise, it
was still fucking atrocious. So yeah, I'm just, it was, it
was bad. OK man, you know what I even
did? I said yeah, I'm going to try
and watch Collision. I said that.
I said I'm going to go ahead, I'm going to give it a whirl.

(01:50:27):
I'm going to try and watch some collision.
Bad idea. It's bad.
It's just it sucks. It's.
I. Don't know.
Collision was like, AW, dark, like there was nothing on it.
You mentioned the tag team. That's what bothered me about
the women's match with just everyone in the ring and the
fucking referee standing there like a fan just watching it.
He's not even putting his fucking hands in the air.

(01:50:48):
He's not counting, he's not yelling anyone.
He's just hands on his hips, just standing there.
Get these fucking Broads out of the ring.
Make them tag. Make it make sense man.
Been saying it for a long time. Really bothered the shit out of
me. And you told me to, to, to, to
say, hey, you know what you're getting into.
And now. And now you're, you're coming

(01:51:09):
aboard. The rules are supposed to
matter. It was egregious, though.
It was. It was look.
It always is, man. It always is.
Like, way overboard with the women's tag match.
I was, I was not content with that at all.
It's. Bad.
Yeah, I mentioned Wrestle Kingdom 20.
We've got a couple matches, but the big speculation is

(01:51:29):
Tanahashi's final opponent and there's a couple names that have
been thrown out there. Nakamura, Okada Ornament to
decide who faces them, no. Ghetto knows a guy.
Ghetto knows a guy. That's why I think it's Okada.
I'll probably be wrong again, but.

(01:51:50):
I think it's so it's got to be Okada or Nakamura.
Yeah. So that'll be fun.
That'll be fun. You know, I have.
Look, I've been out of the New Japan loop for a while, so maybe
I get back into Wrestling Kingdom.
Yeah, I think Suji and what's they take a shit, It's going to
be fucking great. Is is Wrestling Kingdom 2

(01:52:11):
nights? I think it's back to the one.
I think it's. Just one night, yeah.
Yeah, 'cause last year they did that and then they did a
combined show with AW. Oh yeah.
What was it called? Storytelling.
Russell. The name of this episode is not.
Storytelling. Shining Wizards, Storytellers.

(01:52:33):
I mean, I don't know what we're doing.
Here you know what I watched today was was Story Time which
on Peacock. Hilarious show if you guys could
ever catch it. Good time.
That's when they made them all cartoons, right?
Yeah, yeah. A lot of funny stories.
I do like, I do like that Santana keeps calling out AJ
Styles. I think I, I think I want that

(01:52:58):
for Mike. Yeah.
OK. I'd be all in and out.
That'd be cool, right? Tony, I, I pass the ball to you.
Do you want to play your game ordo you want to just do homework?
Well, I mean, I had three We could take a run with one if you
guys want just to give it a justto give it a little test run.

(01:53:20):
Maybe we can figure it out. All right, I'm in.
All right, so just just for forsake of ease of doing this, I
will choose double T to give theclues to and he will use those
to give his clues to Brundo to get him to answer it.
So this is how it's going to work.

(01:53:40):
It's called 13 or less. So I'm going to give double T8
wrestling related terms. They could be wrestlers, they
could be insider terms, it couldbe anything involved with
wrestling. And what he has to do is give
Brundo clues to try to guess those 8 words in 13 clues or
less. So for instance, if we were to

(01:54:04):
say something like Minnesota, that would be one clue and then
Brendo could respond, I don't know Vern Gonya and that would
be wrong, but I would say Opie, that would be two clues and
Brendo could say. Bob Backlin all.
Right, there you go. So now he got one clue, He got

(01:54:25):
one answer right out of two clues.
So now there's 11 clues left to try to get.
The other seven kind of follow. So becomes a contest of can.
Can Matt get Brunda to say all 8clues before he gives all 8
words before he gives 13 clues? You look perplexed.

(01:54:45):
I'm give how am I getting these?What?
I'm going to text you the 8 words that you have to get
Brunda to say. OK.
Or would you prefer me do it so you guys can get a flavour of
how it is? No, you can send it to me.
Go. Ahead.
I'm I'm regretting this already?Nope.

(01:55:06):
We're doing this. Let's do it.
Come on, send it. Storytelling.
I'm going to send it to you now,all right?
Now, the idea is to get Brundo to say these things without
actually using those as your clues, Right?
Oh, I have to get him to say. OK, gotcha.

(01:55:26):
So you have 13 clues to give to get him to say all eight of
those words that I just texted. OK, OK, I'm in.
All right, so I'll keep track ofhow many clues you gave.
Now, remember, you can't say thewords that are in those eight
things, right? All right, right, this, this,
this is going to be either. Just for clarification, Tony,

(01:55:47):
there's no sounds like there's no rhymes with, there's no
anything like that, correct? No.
And if you if you got to be careful because sometimes you
can give a clue. It's got 2 words, so you kind of
want to think about it, to try to give him like, one word clue
so you could save him late for later on for the harder ones,
right? Yep, Yep.
OK. So whenever you're ready, I

(01:56:09):
mean, and you can pass too, if you think it's too difficult, if
you want to come back to it, butyou know, it's it's it's it's up
to you and what you want to do. So, All right, Rondo, Are you
ready? I'm ready.
All right. First clue, genius.

(01:56:29):
Lanny Poffo The Fiend. That's 2 words.
Bray Wyatt. See, you got to be careful now.
You gave away 2 words. If you would have said Fiend,
you would have saved one, right?Just be careful, beautiful.

(01:56:55):
Bobby Eaton. Oh, he went out of order.
OK. I like that.
No, No, you can. You can.
No, you can. You can.
That's fine. Only words have I used 4.
You have 4 words used and you'vegot and brother's got three of
them. Yes, you have 9 left.

(01:57:16):
Damn, You're in good shape. All right, and if it helps, you
don't have to use wrestling clues.
So like, if a word could potentially mean something else.
Oh, go ahead. Oh, man, what do we got?
We got 123. We got 3.
All right, 60 minutes. That's 2 words.

(01:57:38):
I know. Shawn Michaels.
I have to keep using words to get him to get that one.
Or can I do a different one? I mean, you could pass if you
want, but now you might throw them off because now you're
going to switch words. Well, I'm going to pass on that
one. Or you got to tell them all
right, we're not good. We're not doing that one right

(01:57:59):
now, OK? God damn.
Now these are all wrestlers too,right?
Yeah, this is all wrestling. This is all wrestling related.
They're all wrestling related. Yeah, So hard times.
Dusty Rhodes. I know it's 2 words.

(01:58:20):
Jerk off. Fucking relax up there.
All right? Well, you've got 4 words left,
and you've got 5 clues to give. 5.
Words to give fucking hand job, man.
All right, so we've got 1234. This is not easy.

(01:58:46):
No, it's not. It's a good game, but it's not
easy. But you made a couple of dumb
mistakes early. Well, I didn't understand your
fucking goofy rules. I can't say that entrance.

(01:59:06):
Jay USO No. No screen, screen, screen.

(01:59:27):
Yeah, it wouldn't pass. If he doesn't get this one,
you're already song. Shut up, Dick.
I mean, you should send the listof HK so we could play along
too. Oh, I'll do HK next.
I could. I'll give him.
Oh yeah. All.
Right. Come on, screen.
Jesus Christ. Can I repeat what I just said?

(01:59:48):
Can I say entrance and screen? Because I already said those.
Well, I mean, he should rememberthem, but yeah.
You could say entrance and screen.
Yeah, wrestling related. All right, come on now.
Oh. No screen.
All right, Yeah, we're going to pass on that one because I don't

(02:00:08):
know what else to tell you. I can't say it's part of the
name, so I can't say it. Nope.
How many words do I have left? Two.
You have 3 words left and fucking 4 things to get Brundo
to say, so I'm going to. Say Red Death.
That's. 2. Daniel Garcia.
Holy shit. He got 1.
Shut up, Shut up. I never would have fucking.

(02:00:30):
I got one left. You got one left and one word
left and three clue. Three things.
Brundo has to guess. All right, Vern.
Awa. Fucking A That's not bad.
We got 6 out of eight, six out of eight on 13 clues, 6 out.
Of eight Titans run. Yep, that was the other one.

(02:00:52):
I'm thinking they're all wrestlers.
And 60 minutes was. Iron Man match.
Well, brought away. All right, I like this game.
This is a fun run. I just didn't understand the
rules. So all right, I need you to keep
track of score for me and how many clues I give One of you how
many clues I give. I got you, HK.
All right, I'm going to go. I'll I'll start whenever you're

(02:01:14):
ready, HK. Yeah, I'm ready.
Superfly, Jimmy Snucko. That's one.
That's all. Oh no, that's.
Yeah, no, he got it. I gave him one clue.
Yeah, 8th. Under the Giant.
Nice, that's two corner. Post.

(02:01:38):
Pad turnbuckle. Thank you.
That's four. You use 4 words.
Yep, the jorts. John Cena.
That's five fucking lame bullshit.
He practiced these clues. Nature.

(02:01:58):
Ric Flair. Fucking hey dude, that's five
horse. Aubrey Edwards, that's. 6.
Warrior. Ultimate Warrior?
No, that couldn't be it, becauseyeah, no, no, no, going

(02:02:27):
to need another one. Location.
Parts unknown. There you go, last one.
Those weren't my words, Gun. Brian Pillman.
Fucking hey, dude, fucking hey, holy.
Shit. How many was that 9?

(02:02:47):
Second Homie 1/10/10 it. Was 10 10/10?
I got 10. Did you get 10?
Yeah. Hey, dude.
Well played, HK. Bravo, Sir.
So what do you think? You think this is about legs?
Yeah. I think this could be a lot of
fun now that we understand what the fuck we're doing.

(02:03:07):
I don't know. HK picked up on it pretty quick.
After we did it the first time. Well, fair enough.
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey poop all over you.
I really thought I, I really thought Daniel Garcia was going
to fuck somebody up big time. Like I thought that was a real
hard one. I knew Brondo would be Red
Death. Yeah, that's the first time I

(02:03:27):
ever saw him. Was he was Red Death still?
But you should have like tried like red and then death, you
know? That's still using 2 words.
Yeah, but you give him one and then maybe he gets it on one,
you know what I'm saying? Like I said 8th to Kevin.
And like right away he knew it was Andre, but then I how many
people were fucking red? I mean, you're wearing a goddamn

(02:03:49):
Hulkamania shirt. I mean, I would have said Kane,
honestly. And if he would have?
Said. And if he would have said death,
I would have said I. Would have went with.
I would have went with dance forDaniel Garcia.
Could have been Fandango. I would have said shitty dance.

(02:04:13):
Could have been. The Last Storm.
And then I would have said AEW, and then he would have said
Daniel Garcia. You would have used so many
clues. Yeah.
I mean, sometimes you got to, you know, that was fun.
That was a lot of fun. Speaking of fun, Brundo has
signed us an awesome match. Oh.
Yeah, Brundo took us back to where'd You take us back to

(02:04:36):
March 4th, 1992. What?
Please Brando, tell us why you chose this particular bout.
So I was in the mood. I've been looking for a good Can
am connection match. I had been thinking, I remember
they had a phenomenal Oh Express.
Yeah, yeah, Express. They had a phenomenal match with

(02:05:00):
Owen and Bulldog. I remember on Raw, but I
remember it ended in like a shitty finish.
So I figured I'd go back to All Japan, find a match with them,
and the first one that came up was the Malenko match.
I I've always wanted to see moreof Joe Malenko.
I've heard a lot of great thingsabout them in All Japan.
So you know, what the hell, spinthe wheel.

(02:05:24):
So what you guys think? Yeah, please.
I loved it. I loved it.
I love that there was a lot of groundwork, a lot of mat work,
and when it needed to pick up, it was dude.
The high spots were so lightningquick too, and they gave things
time to breathe. Like there'd be like one move

(02:05:45):
and then maybe like 1-2, three in a row and then bam, right
back down. Give the crowd a chance to
fucking go with the oohs and theAhs and the clapping and stuff,
and then right back to it. And Joe Molenko.
First time I ever watched him. Bro, how did nobody fucking
bring him to the States to give him a fucking bigger position?
Like I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it.
The guy was a fucking machine. Not that he was in there with

(02:06:08):
any slouches mind you, but man, I enjoyed the shit out of this
match. I'm wondering if he maybe
because his him and his father and Dean for a while too.
I'm wondering if they what was Igoing to say if they were still
a distinctive outlaw on them Because his father was a ran
outlaw promotion for a long timeand Joe was already in it for a

(02:06:31):
long time at this point so maybehe just didn't have the time.
Like nobody in N.W.A would pick him up.
I want to say during that time in WCW, some tournament, I don't
know if it was for the N.W.A belts or whatnot, but I get AI
get yeah. So the Malenkos were in that
tournament, right? Yep.
They they teamed up and took on the team of Koloff and Steamboat

(02:06:54):
in the first round. So obviously, you know, they
came up short. Yeah.
And then they made an appearanceas A tag team in ECW, taking on
Sabu and Taz. Oh no shit.
Yeah, that one escaped me. And then he made another
appearance where he wrestled a local Florida indie wrestler on

(02:07:17):
an ECW show and they went back to Florida.
He also confronted Chris Jerichoon Monday Nitro in 1998 during
the whole Chris Jericho Di Malenko gimmick.
Was he like crippled at that point?
Like why wouldn't they bring himin?
No, he parked. I don't know.
I have no idea dude. He was in the 2000 Joe Malenkos

(02:07:42):
in the 2010 All Japan Pro Wrestling World's Strongest Tag
League tournament. Damn.
Oh shit. He retired in 2010.
He came out of retirement and defeated Kenny Kendrick in 2012.
His last match was September 2017 with Bob Cook and they

(02:08:06):
defeated Tano and the Puerto Rican Hound Dog.
He works as a pharmacist in Tampa, FL, really at Gold's Gym.
Doesn't say. And he just makes cookies.
So sometimes I wonder if like run to fly, you had, you had

(02:08:30):
assigned the homework before where, where the commentary was
in Spanish. And I was, I was all over it.
And this is the second time we've had homework that the
commentary is is in the language.
I just I got no business understanding.
We had the dump status that was.Yeah, that's what I mean the
second time. And I just don't know, you know
what I mean. I just don't know if if it's the

(02:08:51):
commentary that takes me like, yeah, I'm guessing that if I
watched on mute, I probably would have, I would have loved
it a lot more. You know what I mean?
And it's not to say there's anything wrong with the match.
I I enjoyed the match. The finish was a little bit flat
for me. And with the finish wasn't
necessarily all there, but I just like watching it.
I was like the language, I thinkjust just hits my ears in such a

(02:09:13):
manner. I'm like, what?
Wait, no, no, what? It's it's like piercing.
I'm like, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
I want to hear. I want to understand something,
you know what I mean? So I.
Mean as long as they're enthusiastic, I'm happy,
whatever language it is. Whether it's, I don't know a
lick of Spanish, I I don't know any Japanese, but I can tell

(02:09:34):
when they get enthusiastic, it gets me up.
For it, yeah. And I think, well, like it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is like, like you listen to like
people speak German, right? It's a very harsh language.
And it like when it whenever I hear it, it kind of like it hits
me wrong. And I'm like, oh, man, what is
what is going on here? I don't, I don't know about
that. Or like Russian, it's a harsh
language, like hearing it. So that part of it I didn't care

(02:09:55):
for the match itself. I enjoyed like the wrestling
action, but like watching it, itwas one of those things was
like, man, how much does commentary really play a role in
the match itself, in my enjoyment of the match.
So like I say, fine match. I just wish there was there was
something else there in the in the commentary world.
Double till you give me a fucking what?
What do you got? I don't know, I just I have

(02:10:17):
nothing. OK.
I I do. I do agree with Brundo though,
as long as the the commentators are enthusiastic and into it and
they get up when the moves are getting up and when the crowd
gets up and like, I'm not talking like over the top
bullshit like Jr. yelling by Godfor 20 minutes.
Like I'm talking like, God, I hate a black man.

(02:10:37):
Yeah, what the fuck? We didn't talk about that, huh?
But yeah, like, So what? Like when the high spots get up
and the crowd gets up at the same time, like everything just
hits at once. Like, it just means so much more
to me. And I don't know fuck all of
what they're saying unless they pepper out some English words
periodically for moves. But.
But yeah, like, just the emotion, you know?

(02:10:59):
Yeah, this was fucking awesome. I loved every second of this.
I'm a little disappointed I didn't get a Doug for an ass
drop kick. Me too.
Yeah, that was my last note I had.
There was like a there was like a moment where he had whipped
one of the melancos off the ropes and the crowd like the
swell of the crowd, they thoughtit was coming and he hit them
with like a fucking tilt A whirlfucking suplex or some shit.

(02:11:21):
I fucking love the can am express though.
God damn. I love I got a whole DVD of them
in the in Japan wrestling the Bulldogs and and the melancos.
Like this was fucking great, manat the Tony's point.
Like the sequences were so smooth and the transitions and
God damn and seeing Dean Milenkodo all sorts of crazy shit.

(02:11:42):
He, he, he. Gets hurt eventually I think
Dean like hurts his neck and it kind of like he that's when he
gets more ground based. But I love seeing early Dean
Milenko flipping around and justmaking everything look fucking
great. Yeah.
And, and the transition's like on the mat, like when they're
working the mat and they're popping out and like, you know,

(02:12:02):
taking each other down, whatnot,like that stuff necessarily has
to be a little bit faster. And there's like a like, less of
a pause in between. But when they jumped up and they
started like hitting the high spots, like bam, like off the
roads, bam, bam, bam. And then boom, like back to the
mat. Or like somebody gets shit
canned and like the, you know, like the crowd just gets fired
up and they give it a chance to breathe.

(02:12:23):
That's all we need. Just give him hit the shit.
Little bit of breathing time. Beautiful.
Absolutely beautiful. I think Doug Furnish should have
been a bigger fucking star than he was too.
My goodness. Like he just the things he could
do and how athletic he was and he looked like 1,000,000 bucks
like he he should have had a bigrun in the US.

(02:12:45):
He's a, he was a victim of that fucking revolving door of WCW
booker's in the early 90s, man. He was there and they brought
him in. They showcased him.
But who dug Furnace? Yeah, well, wasn't it the
fucking pay-per-view with ECW inAsbury Park?
Who did he wrestle? Did he wrestle Tanaka on that
show when they fucking ran off they and it was a great match

(02:13:08):
otherwise, but like, there wasn't, there wasn't a ton of
chemistry there. And like, they both ran off the
ropes and just stopped and looked at each other in the
middle of the ring and the crowdfucking gave him shit for it,
and deservedly so because it wasso fucking bad.
They just stopped and looked at each other.
Living dangerously. 98. Yeah, Yep, you were, you were

(02:13:29):
there. You remember that spot?
I was there. I was there.
Oh shit. It came into WCW in 90.
And he was just like he was justa dude.
He like beat like the fucking the Galaxian 1 and 2 Jack

(02:13:49):
victory. He comes back at the capital
combat pay-per-view. He defeats Tama, he defeats
cactus Jack. He became a member of the The
Dudes with Attitudes, Diesel andJohn No Stings group man.
Not 2 dudes, multiple dudes. Oh my.

(02:14:12):
Gosh. Lots of dudes.
The way double. T the way double T likes it, but
his his bread was buttered in fucking Japan man.
Fuck yeah. Yep, good profit and all Japan
in the 90s was just beat the shit out of everyone.
All Japan. They were fucking five time all

(02:14:32):
Asian tag team champions of. Course they were.
Bad match of the year against Kobashi and and Kikuchi.
Footloose Kikuchi. Yeah, Kikuchi.
Maybe I will watch more Japanesewrestling.
This fucking guy fucking a matchof the year against the coochie
that's every year in my house, Kikuchi, you fucking freak.

(02:14:53):
Only every year. It wasn't the coochie fucking
who else is going to beat me? Handsome Kevin.
Man, he was only 52 when he diedand he had fucking.
We're going to have this conversation again, but Double T
don't like talking. Double T don't like talking
about wives, and I'll leave it at that.

(02:15:13):
Well, this guy's, you know what?No, because I got all sorts of
shit playing Fortnite the other night from Tony.
I don't think Cancel Kevin likedyou talking about him on the
show like that. When I said what your wife said
because you're. Married gotcha.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tony was all like, oh, but I'd
watch. I'd fucking sit there and watch.

(02:15:36):
Well, yeah, he's a good friend. Yes, I don't understand how this
doesn't register to you. Double TI don't want to watch
any of my friends fuck their wives.
What's Why are you so good? You don't want to watch anybody
bang their wife? I'm not so oh, sorry.
You up up in your ivory tower. You can't fucking.

(02:15:56):
Oh, you don't want to look down upon your friends watch them
banging their wife, you stuck upprick.
There's something you guys are on a hold of it.
This gets a brick stuck up. There's not what you're worried
about. Brendo, Brendo, wait.
Please. There's no crossing swords, man.
Don't get it twisted. Please bro, I'm good.

(02:16:16):
You don't want to watch any of your friends fuck their wives?
Why are we doing this now? Why did you bring this up?
I didn't. You guys did.
I was looking at fucking Doug Furness's Wikipedia.
You watching Doug Furness bang his wife?
Now that's a story. That'd be weird because Doug
Furness has been dead for like 20 years.
Knock it off, Julio. Storytelling.

(02:16:40):
What Julio tells the truth. The real bro would watch.
Yeah. Thanks, Julio.
Bro. Not a bro Overall I give it 2
thumbs up Brendo. Two thumbs up for sure.
Fuck yeah. I'll give it one.
I'll give it one. I just, I don't know what it is.

(02:17:01):
It's just that it is. He don't like the commentary.
That's yeah, he can watch the Mexican wrestling, but he can't.
Watch wrestling. Look, he don't understand the
Mexican wrestling. Racist.
Beat me to it. He doesn't.
He does, but he doesn't understand Mexican language.
He goes to that Dondorf restaurant.
He doesn't use the language there.
No, I can't speak it. I've said it before.

(02:17:24):
Would you, have you, have you learned enough Spanish going to
that restaurant every fucking like of every other day?
No. No, I don't think I have.
And that's that's not me. No like Hola MI gente comesta
like nothing like you don't want.
Yeah que pasta. He goes to Mexico 3 * a year.
He doesn't know a fucking lick of English because he stays on

(02:17:45):
his tissue toilet paper soft resort without where they all
fucking grab his tits and suck his balls.
Tissue. Toilet paper.
Paper resort where they grab your tits and suck your balls.
Yeah, that's a fucking title, boy.
It's a it's a hell of a resort. Storytelling.
Fuck. Jesus Christ.

(02:18:06):
Yeah, He don't. He don't know Mexican.
He don't know Spanish. He doesn't know he don't know
Mexican. Write that down too bro.
Though but he can't. Live until fucking Hut I can.
Live in a Hut. He thinks he's going to go to
Mexico and get a house like he lives in Minnesota now.
It doesn't work that way, man. Yeah, I think I could.
I can't. I don't tell him what he can and

(02:18:27):
cannot get out. I.
Cannot work. Limitations on me.
Thank you, Tony. Kill him in a.
Heartbeat. Tiny money.
No, they won't. He blends in.
He's as tall as all of them, actually.
He's got to work on his tan, that's all.
Yeah. Work on my tan.
And when they hear Molly's accent, it's a wrap, bro.

(02:18:48):
Oh, no. They'll be like, Oh my God,
this, this fucking guy got himself a gringo wife, man.
He's fucking hot shit. Yeah, that's me.
Hot shit gringo. He got a gringo.
I'm Diablo Maresa. That's devil mayonnaise double.
Two, you have to know Spanish devil mayonnaise you.

(02:19:09):
Know Tony. That's what he took.
That's what he learned at the restaurant.
Devil Mayonnaise. That's usually what he puts on
their back, right? I also go by by Huero Picante,
it's the spicy light but I don'tknow Spanish.
What are you getting on me for? Tony asked you if you learned.

(02:19:30):
They're yelling at me. And you don't want to watch
anybody bang their wife. That's.
Weird. I'm going to be listening at
this at work tomorrow and peopleare going to think I'm fucking
daffy. Been there.
Oh yeah, just take the Cubs. You doing it with no pants?

(02:19:53):
On I mean close your office dooryou can unless you got see
through windows in there. No, the the whole front of my,
my office is all glass. I, I don't, there's no like
privacy, right? Easy, Vince.
By some curtains. Beef curtains yo.
Fucking Arby's roast beef doublecheddar.

(02:20:14):
Come on man, why you going to gothere?
Roast beef double tea? The fuck?
That's what you want to see, right?
Hey, Eric Stevens is joining us soon.
I don't want to see anyone's wife's roast beef.
Why don't we talk WWE at the beginning of the show?
We could have fucking just jumped right into this because.

(02:20:35):
We have This is the main event talk.
About wrestling. Oh my God.
Come for the wrestling, stay forthe beef.
Come, stay for the come. Yes, God damn it, man, can we
write that down too? We're on a fucking roll.
What was that one? Stay for the come.
We're not. We're.

(02:20:55):
Not naming the episode. Stay for the Come.
Don't even bother writing it down.
Write it. Down with that attitude.
It'll be funny for the bonus episode, yeah.
I write down, I write down shit all episode knowing we are not
naming it this, but it's. Going to be a better chance
Eddie shows up to do a podcast before that fucking episode gets

(02:21:17):
released. The bonus episode.
It's getting so bad. Brenda's been writing down pre
show fucking ideas. Hey hey, dirtbag's back.
I'm here for the long term storytelling.
God damn it. He's joining us for the Watching
Your Wife Chronicles mutants. Disgusting mutants, right?

(02:21:39):
Did you watch Tommy Lee bang hiswife to be sure Why?
I've seen the porn. I'm not friends with Tommy Lee.
You fucking blow poem. So Tommy Lee's better than me
and Tony all of a sudden. Yeah.
Jesus, Really. You watch strangers bang their
wives but not buds? Come on.
Sorry. I don't want to watch the guy

(02:22:00):
that goes to bed at 8:30 and thedude that's walking 8 miles in
his fucking basement bang their wives.
How many wives do you have HK? That's still just the one.
I think you were the guy going to sleep at 8:30.
Tony. Oh, am I?
Hey, it's 9:30 and I'm still here.

(02:22:21):
I know. And you're going to complain.
Oh, I don't want to go late nexttime.
Right man? We're getting the bro talk.
When we talk about beef like this, we're going late.
Fucking beef curtains, Oju. All of it.
Oju. Easy.
And you know what grinds my gears?

(02:22:42):
Like I keep an eye on my phone in case I'm getting important
calls all fucking night. Don't forget election days
tomorrow. Did you know so and so said blah
blah blah. Did you know this?
Person's an. Asshole.
There's another show on our network that has Get Off the
Lawn. You can do this shit on their
show. No, I can't because AL's going
to murder somebody yet. Guarantee.
Well then he's going to need another Co host.
If he murders somebody by the time when they get to episode

(02:23:04):
150, Al, AL's going to have a fucking couple of priors.
You think so? He might.
Nobody could be that jolly for that long and not live in the
North Pole. Here we go.
Al wants to know. Hansel.
Kevin. Do you think he does some
basement laughs to warm up for Molly Freaks?

(02:23:28):
Wait a second. What are you saying, Tropicale?
Who says you don't? I think he means Pryor.
You. Warming up for my life.
No, he Pryors. That's what he Pryors.
Somebody check under the beard for teardrops.
The. Pooka, Pooka.
Pimp. He's got Pryors.
Pryors with the Pooka pimp. Yeah, he does.
Yeah. Mutants who answer Kevin what?
What do you plan on bestowing upon us this week for homework?

(02:23:51):
I'm gonna I'm gonna throw you guys to November 18th, 1995 and
anybody that can guess it will get a blowjob.
November. Wait, what was the date again?
November 18? I've seen a Kurt Angle. 1995.
Ruthless aggression. Shawn Michaels, Sid, 1990. 5

(02:24:12):
Rondo's looking for the blowjob clearly being.
Told I was. Going to say he's the only one
you are. Just the cutest Brundle fly.
Ruthless, aggressive Tony. So in this 1995.
WCWCWCW and this is a battle royal that took place on WCW

(02:24:36):
Pro. You haven't even watched it yet.
Don't give me that attitude. I hope it's I hope they have
English commentary. I hope they do too.
Is this a lingerie battle royal?No, unfortunately it's not.
That thumbs down already. There's no birds in WCW at this
time that you want to see in their lingerie.
He doesn't. Think Sherry's detected?

(02:24:57):
So Oh my God fucking this is great.
Brenda wanting toothless aggression from.
HK. Fucking ow my God.
Yeah, I don't want to see his him begging his wife.
Give me the real thing. Oh, all right, what's the next
one? That's next level friendship.

(02:25:18):
So who's in the YouTube? I hope.
Yes, it's on the YouTube, I'll send you the link.
So who's in the battle royal? No idea, I did battle Royale
roulette and that's where I landed.
OK, how long did it go? We have no idea.
It's about 7 minutes. Oh, fucking perfect.
Dumb. Yeah, I know, I know.
It was a couple other battle Royals that were like 20. 5
minutes. I'm like, no, I'm not going to
do that to my friends. 7 minutesthat.

(02:25:39):
This is going to be amazing. I can't wait.
Wonder if Saboo's in this thing.Oh boy.
Fucking Al. Oh my God he's on fire.
HK's going downstairs and forgeta couple laps in before he did.
Warm up for you, Brundo. He's going to need it.
I think he definitely previewed this because your hosts for the

(02:26:01):
show are Chris Cruz, Dusty Rhodes, and fucking Larry's
Abisco. Comes down already.
My God it's a fucking 10 man jobber battle royal Oh my God,
music to my fucking ears. What's the fucking problem?
I can't wait, dude. This is going to be fucking
awesome. Dude, fucking Lancasters in
this. Fucking no, no, spoil it.

(02:26:23):
Come on now. Come on now.
I found like, God, was it like, it was like 10/10/12 battle
Royals, and I just started texting them to myself and I was
like, all right, roulette, see which one?
And I went boom. There it is.
Yeah, I have all kinds of options, but I want to watch a
battle Royale. Double D spoiling this like it's
an Amazon package under his government name.
You didn't want to watch Eddie Guerrero against the Gambler

(02:26:46):
Maybe? That was going to be my pick.
Take it easy, dude, the fuck arewe doing?
Oh, Koji Kanamoto and Scott Armstrong are on this show too.
The fiend ramp scream I. Said screen and entrance,

(02:27:07):
dickhead. You said ramp.
No, I didn't. No, he, I think he said screen
and entrance, Screen and entrance.
That's when he said entrance, Rondo said Juso.
Which was well played if you think about it.
Now I know for next time. Next time we play this game,
I'll have a better idea. So do you think?

(02:27:29):
You 2 fucking conspired to make us look bad.
I know, Brundo. I know what they're doing up
there. Yeah.
Speaking of conspiring to make people look bad, do you think
Devon? Who was Devon that said that?
Jr. Didn't.
Like him? Yeah.
You think that's true? That's why.
I mean, what's it's fucking 2025years later.
What does Devon have to gain from it?

(02:27:50):
But why would he wait for 25 years to say something?
I don't know, I don't know. All right.
And with that sounds a France I don't like.
No Boo. Thanks for.
Tuning in. This is a near really.
Hey, who's joining us next week?Next week, it's Kate's.

(02:28:14):
Corner, yeah. Oh great, getting them hitters
now, Tony, would you want Margieto watch you bang Kate?
And with that, we cue the music.No, this has been a production
of the Shining Wizards Network. For everything Shining Wizards,

(02:28:36):
visit shiningwizards.com and don't forget to listen to all
the great shows of the Shining Wizards.
Always a fucking step too far. I didn't even get my V thing
going. Read their own fault.
Sorry for speaking over you, Justin reader.
Executive producers Wasn't even Justin.
That wasn't Justin even Justin. What was that?

(02:28:57):
That's fucking AI dude. That's AI dude.
This sounds like Justin. He doesn't sound like the
country dude. Justin.
The Country Dude Executive Producers Manny Krasso, Mike
Peterson Producers Kate Hensler Macker Evil High 5.
Tom Ryan Song Alde, Kathy Homer,Michael Hammond, Keith Parker,
David Henry Bauer The Third I Dunk Biscuits, Emily Brock,
Jesse Elwa. Get those Hall of Fame ballads

(02:29:20):
back to us before December 1st. Go.

(02:29:50):
So you ever shake your pants? Are you?
Turned on yet, sweetie? Is he still talking?
Did you know you? No, you didn't.
Who fucking did that? Why?
Who fucking did that? Prove me wrong.

(02:30:11):
Prove me wrong, bro. To free the pussies.
We're going to fucking murder you tonight.
Who's going to? Murder.
Hey, are you the country dude? Why is it me?
Why I can't be blamed for this? I just banged a country dude up
the ass. He's, oh, we're just shaking

(02:30:32):
your fucking head for Tony. You fuck.
Oh. Yeah.
You always got to think. Take these fucking things too
far dude. You, you fucking dildo.
Shut up you fucking homo boy. Bang up the ass, eat a shit,

(02:30:54):
what the fuck are we doing? Give it up yourself.
Dropping a Grumper? I just banged a country dude up
the ass. So does he have AIDS?
What the? Fuck.

(02:31:16):
No, nobody's playing with the plugs.
Shout out to KJG for joining us in the chat tonight. 9 and 10
years old. Oh yeah, that'll go over great.
Are you trying to summon the zoom off?
Like where did handsome Kevin go?
He's so fucking mad at you, dude.
What did? I didn't do anything.

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