September 6, 2023 • 41 mins
This is the FIRST episode of Rut Fresh Radio of the 2023 Season! In each episode, K.C. and Tyler interview deer hunters from across the country in search of the freshest, most current information on Whitetail Buck movement and hear stories of hunting success. This week we get to hear from hunters in South Carolina, Tennessee, North Dakota, and Kentucky. It’s the early SZN, which means the rare chance at a velvet buck! However, hunters this week talk about the impact of a heat wave on deer movement. We get the details about overcoming the elements and getting in range of a nice whitetail deer.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rutfresh Radio, bringing you the
latest reports from the whitetail woods, presented by First Light,
creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts
case Smith and Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome to Retfresh Radio, brought to you by First Like Gear.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm your host k C. Smith. Guess what dear season
is upon us?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Excitement is high, However, the hot weather seems to be
getting away for a lot of hunters around the country.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
This is rough Fresh. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
This is rot Fresh Radio, brought to you by FirstLight Gear.
This is the show that you remember for having the
freshest whitetail information from around the country.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We go in to all the nooks and.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Crannies of all the whitetail woods and pull out some
of the best reports for anyone and everyone who's interested
in going out whitetail hunting. I'm your host Casey Smith,
joined by Tyler Jones, and also we have got Mark
Kenyon on the line of Wired to Hunt Fame. Mark,
(01:23):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It's good to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Yeah, it's we were just talking before we start recording
that this might be like season seven or eight or
nine of Reugh Fresh.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
As a mini series of Wired Hunt.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I don't know exactly what it is, but it's We've
been doing this a long time and I'm very excited
that it's still going and that you guys are at
the helm helping keep this this part of the ship
afloat because this is one of my personal favorite things
we do every year. So thanks for being back, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Absolutely, man, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's cool getting to talk to people around the country
and of course getting to talk to you from time
to time to hear the Michigan viewpoint on on things.
And I think that was a question I wanted to
ask you, thinking about, you know, the history of Retfresh radio.
You know, you remark that this is one of your
favorite things that comes out. Do you have a situation
that you can remember where information given on Retfresh directly
(02:17):
impacted a hunt and maybe brought you a bug?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Hmmm, that's a good question, and off the top of
my head, I don't know if I could think of
a like specific situation where, like, man, what I heard
this day impacted my hunts, you know, right away, and
I killed the deer because of it. But it definitely
is like I make a I don't listen to I
don't listen to my own podcasts obviously because.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't want to hear myself. Schever, Joe, I'll take
that back.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I occasionally do re listen to like really old archival ones,
and I just like fast forward the intro where I
talk for a long time because I want to hear
like just that guest is I don't remember the stuff,
but in the season, like I'm not listening to new
stuff of course, So what I do listen to those.
I do like to listen to every brought fresh radio
because you're hearing from you know, four or five different
people across the country. They've got different ideas. They're seeing
(03:06):
things that maybe I'll be seeing soon or maybe I
just saw. And I'm curious of compare notes. So I
can't think of a specific example right now. I can
tell you, like two thousand percent it has helped me.
It has like kept me, you know, keeping ideas fresh
in my mind, or gave me a new idea or
pointing me in a direction that maybe just got me
thinking about something that I was able to apply later
(03:28):
down the road. So yeah, like the idea of what
this thing, what we wanted this thing to be. However
many years ago it was that we started this, you know,
mini series. It has absolutely become that thing, like the
thing that I want. You know, It's like every week
I like to text my buddies or call a couple
of friends saying, hey, what are you seeing?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
What what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
What's how's that call front impacting you? Or what do
you think about this moon phase? Or man, how's the
drop and impacting your dear sidings? Right, I'm sure you
guys have got a bunch of buddies that you're kind
of you know, John with back and forth and comparing notes,
and this is a way to do that, but on
a weekly scale with a much wider network.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So we all are really lucky that we get to
tap into this, I.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Think every week, and you know, I'm certainly enjoying and
benefiting from it. So what was it like if you
don't mind me stealing your thunder and asking you guys
a question?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Now, you know, what was the experience like for you
guys last year?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Because you for years, right, you guys were occasionally guests
on Refresh Radio and like sharing what you were seeing
with people when Spencer called you, and maybe you listened
to some episodes of Refresh Radio.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Back in the day and use that to get some ideas.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
What was the experience like last year being put into
the driver's seat and all of a sudden you were
hosting the miniseries. You were you know, asking people questions.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Did that ended up?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
You know, was it did you learn more because of that?
Or was it did you just blaze over and forget
it all?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was that? Like? No, I think it was a
learning experience, man, I feel like, so there was this
weird thing that happened, which you actually, I think this
is off air, but we were talking about some one
week stuff and you kind of had the same sentiment
where we were out in the field, like the first
week in November and there was some pretty sluggish movement.
(05:15):
And you know, if you were just hunting with your
buddies in a certain area of the US and you
saw that sluggish movement in early November, you might just
be like, oh, they're nocturnal, it's too hot. Whatever, you know,
you or just whatever. You may not really understand this,
but I mean legitimately, one thing we learned last year
(05:36):
through doing Retfresh was that the like a big portion
of the US actually had I mean like a late rut.
I mean it was legitimately a week behind or more
in a lot of places. It seemed like, I mean
across the board, we heard that that was the case.
And I don't know, there's so many variables, right, like
it could be you know, a million different things from
(05:57):
whether temperatures to moon or whatever. But and we travel
a lot too, so we were seeing that in multiple states,
multiple areas. But to be able to have those guys
say hey, for some reason, like you know, the teens
of November were way better than the first you know,
ten days, and it just kind of it makes you
(06:18):
feel like you're a little less on an island. And
then yeah, I also think that like there's a huge
inspiration factor here on this podcast where it's like, uh,
you may you know, you get so wrapped up and
works a lot of times that you just kind of
forget to check the weather and be excited about what's coming,
and then all of a sudden, you know you're working,
(06:40):
you're building a house, you know you're a framer or
whatever you might be. You got the podcast going on
refreshing somebody's you know, in your neck of the woods
or where you're going to end up being in November,
and they're like, well next you know, you ask them
scale one to ten, what what's the next week look
like for you? You're like, well, there's a cold front
coming in, and all of a sudden you just HiPE
and you start making plans and it is It is
(07:00):
inspirational where like you want to get in the woods
because you figure out like maybe things are happening and
you got too busy for a little bit there, or
even just a guy may be like hey, and you
you kind of a loaded this earlier, but like, hey,
since this is happening, you can kill a deer in
this way and you didn't think about that until then,
And all of a sudden you're like, yeah, let's let's
(07:22):
try that next week.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
You know, yeah, well, you guys have talked about this
for years. The benefit of like having a hunting buddy
with you just is like throwing new ideas at you
right just to like trigger different thoughts or that you're
hearing what they're doing and that makes you think maybe
I should just rethink, you know, get out of your
own little tunnel vision a little bit. I've always felt
like this podcast kind of functions in that kind of
(07:43):
way because every single week you're getting five different hunting
buddies ideas for the week or perspective from that week,
and it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Can just like get you out.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Of your own head and get some new stuff into
the mix, and that sometimes is all you need to
get point in.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The right direction.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So there's a long winded way of saying, I'm excited
for what's coming this week and all these nice couple
of months.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, man, I think that hype is a big part
of what makes this fun, you know, like the best part, dude.
Oh man, It's just like right now we're on the
cusp of like why to hunting. Some people are even
already doing it, you know, and we'll talk to those
guys here in a minute. But there's like this aspect
of you know, kay Tyler's talking about like around the country,
there's also like this upwelling of just all of us
(08:28):
people who are deer hunters that are all just kind
of starting to get excited. And one of the things
that I noticed last year was that people would and
I'm not because I think that people's ratings.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Are their ratings.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I don't try to like read too much into it, right,
But you hardly ever have anybody who's like, oh it's
it wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's like a two.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They'll be like, oh, it's not very good. It's like
a five. And it's like that's because you love to
deer hunt man. Even when it's not good, it's still
pretty good, you know. So it's a little bit encouraging
when you start hearing those numbers, you know, because I
could I can remember doing this. Some people like it
was okay, I'll give it like a seven. I was like, hey,
seven is pretty good, man, I.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Say that too. There a couple of times, Casey where
you were trying to get people to be a little
more realistic, like, come on, really.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
This is.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe I try to be a realist, but you know, man,
that internal optimist just shines through sometimes.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So, you know, I think that's why we asked the
questions and don't just ask for the ratings, right, so
you get a little bit more insight into that stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
So, right, I love that just you get the color,
you get, you know, a prediction of what they're expecting
is coming week or what they just experienced last week.
But then also, you know, I've always found my favorite
thing is like hearing a specific person's you know, particular
ideas for how they dealt with like this, so circumstances,
like what did you think about this very specific thing?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Or you know, I love the details in this show.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Like a lot of long podcasts, like my regular shows, right,
you can talk to some thee for an hour and
a half and you're kind of all over the place
stories and yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's great. But what
I've always liked about Rough Fresh is like when you
can be like, man, all right, there was cold weather
three days ago the hit Nebraska. How did that impact
things for you in the eastern part of the state,
(10:14):
Like I can sew think, those very specific things just
shine a different kind of light that you can then
apply to you know, your own your own hunts.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So yeaheah, I love it, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And speaking of applying things to your own hunts, Mark,
if I remember right, we did this intro episode last
year and you kind of had a theme for this
season that was and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
but essentially it's like a back to basics or maybe
I don't know how to how to say this show
but not.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Cool values like what what getting back to? Like why
you do this?
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Not trying too hard for the wrong reasons, right, And
it seems like that really paid off for you. I mean,
you had a great season last year. You killed some
really nice bucks man, so congrats on that. And so
giving forward to this year, are are you continuing on
and trying to kind of expand upon that approach or
do you look at this season differently?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So so.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I'm trying to avoid the sophomore slump. So if if
last year, like I was, my hunting buddies, like another
group chat called it fun season, like hashtag fun season.
Whenever they're like joking, they're referring to like my year,
like the what I was trying to do just get
back to having fun and everything.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So fun season was a huge success last year.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I can already feel like some of the old just
things about me like kind of coming back in like
I can find I can see myself like ah, man,
you know, would be really kind of fun to hold
out for that like big, big giant and maybe that
one buck only and or maybe I gotta go to
Illinois because I didn't get after like a really certain
(11:50):
specific kind of deer.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Like all these things that you know, I.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Like to do that are fun to do, but could
like put you know, more pressure or more whatever on me.
I want to like maintain some like moderation across what
I do instead of becoming a freak, which I think
has always been like my one of my kryptonites. So
I want to maintain the fun season spirit and not
fall back into my old way. So that's the biggest thing,
(12:14):
is like not get too hung up on any one
thing too much. Just have fun with it. And I
mean that's that's really it. I mean, I just I
felt really good about last year. What I guess I
realized though, is like not every year is going to
go that well, right. I mean, so I've constantly reminded
myself this past year is like you can do everything
(12:35):
right and you're still gonna have some of those years
where you know, things just don't fall into place the
right way.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
So last year I did.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Them some things right and things did fall my way.
This year, I might do it all right, and it
just cars might be different, so I need to make sure.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Like I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
But all that said, you know, I've been organizing my
my hunts and my plans and stuff around getting some
more time with friends and family while still doing some
great hunts.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
And you know, this is really everything that I had
last year going into it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It's just trying to maintain it this year. I'm not
changing the script. I just want to like make sure
it wasn't a fluke.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I want to show some consistency and that continue to
kind of mature as a hunter, enjoy it, really keep
keep that good thing going, and you know, we'll see
where the cards fall. But but yeah, I'm it's a
very long winded way of saying I'm excited to have fun.
I'm excited to do some hunt with my dad, excited
to do some more hunting with our buddy Hilliard. I'm
(13:32):
excited to get after some local deer but also do
a couple of fun trips. And man, it's almost here.
I leave for my first trip next week, so Costa.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Man, that's cool. Your first trip is next week.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
If people are listening the week this comes out, there
is a awesome hunt from you from last year. That's
one of the bucks were alluding to that just came
out for one week in November.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right, yeah, Yeah, So then you go.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Check that out if they If they haven't, we'll put
a link to that in the description as well so
that they can take a look at that. It sounds
like you've got some new territory opened up to you
there as well, So y'all kind of got a little
bit excitement going there. Tyler and I just got back
from a little bit of a trip but haven't got
to do any white tail hunt yet. I think our
(14:17):
first white tail hunt's going to be at the end
of September, and we're pretty stoked for that. In fact,
that's like one of my favorite times of the year
to hunt. Not everywhere has a season opened, but it's
like you still have that summer pattern going and those
deer are just so predictable. So I'm pretty excited about
the white tail season.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I think that we're all slated for something good to
happen now in what amounts who knows, right, Because like
you said, the interesting thing about deer is that no
matter how many variables you think you control, the deer
still do what they want to do. And I think
that's why we're able to talk to four people around
(14:55):
the country every week and get you know, interesting takes
because Tyler and I were talking about it well ago, man.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The neat thing about whitetail is they're all different.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, like you can look at a mule deer
that is a big one, but it looks like all
the other big ones usually you know, it's a four
by four that has a big old frame. Or you
look at an elk, you know, like a six or
six is a big one, and they're awesome and they're
one of my favorite creatures.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But whitetail are so unique.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know, Tyler's got a bunch of deer on the
wall right now that we're looking at, and not on
one of them looks like the other one. And they
come from all over the country. There's so many different
hunting opportunities for them in so many different seasons that
stretch from you know, July into February, right, And that's
really what makes this thing feel like a big old campfire,
right because we're all doing this kind of our unique
(15:40):
way in different parts of the country. But we're all
hunting the same critter and it makes things very exciting.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
And it's next to college football this time of year.
It's the best dang thing out there.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Golley Man Sparty must have had a good first week.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It was.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
It was okay, but I'm still I'm still I'm still
hyped about it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It was you know, there's something to be this.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Iired from the Spartans this year, but I'm maintaining hope
for mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
We'll be They're not sitting in you know, prime territory,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So, no, not this year, but we'll good bye on
season one season.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Okay, So how many how many de are you gonna
shoot this year? How many bucks?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Dude, two is probably realistic. You know, I'd be really
I'd be happy if I can get two good ones
on the ground. I could shoot up to four. I
think I've got four up to I think five buck
takes probably when it's all said and done, But being realistic,
two would be pretty solid, certainly possible more, but well,
(16:40):
I'm gonna try to manage my expectations and say two
across all those trips at all at least happen.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That's the most conservative thing I've heard you say.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
More. You're rubbing off on the t.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, I'm gonna kill five, Mark, not to try to
up you, but I just doing my optimistic thing this year.
I gotta, I gotta do it because if I'm gonna
hang out with KC, you know, just try it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You can't do anything, but Mark, I think you're gonna
con Moordan that just so you know, but I appreciate
your conservatism there, and you're gonna have an awesome season.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tyler, five is a good number. That's a good over,
a nunder. That's what number I was in high school?
Was it?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You guys, you guys fling them like I believe you're
gonna make it that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, well you shoot at shoot at might be like twelve,
you know, So it's a numbers game, that's right, man,
you have enough airs in the air. One I'm gonna
land here or later. It's just joking, everybody, just joking.
But if you did listen to Mark's podcast recently, we
did say Tyler and I both are confident at fifty
yards in a certain situation. So you know that's not
(17:44):
for everyone and not every not every fifty yard opportunity
is one you should take, but you know, under the
right conditions. I think I put my over and under
at six. Being an alchemist, I am let's go. We
have a couple more draws to come out still, it's
maybe might help out with some tag allocation there and Florida. Yeah,
(18:06):
but uh man, I think that it is. I shot
five last year, and I'm not trying to I'm not
trying to brag because the last one is onber November eighth,
and then I hunted like two months after that didn't
kill one, so it was kind of front loaded. I'd
like to spread them out a little bit more this year.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
And uh yeah, I believe in you, Casey. I gotta say,
like I I go back to defend my prediction.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Two of like my big films.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
That I'm doing this year aren't even me hunting. It's
me mentoring other people. So I'm actually like not even
going to be with the trigger for a lot of
the season of parts. So I'm actively handicapping myself, keeping
me from being at the same level as you, Casey.
So I want to make sure I know what you're
thinking in the back of your mind. You're saying that
five six bucks, and you're getting taller and taller and taller.
(18:58):
Uh so I just got to make sure you remember
or that if I weren't mentoring, it'd.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Be right up the six seventh.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, yeah, I can count those.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So let's let's go with your since you are the
fresh maker, mister minto himself, are you? So if you
count those, let's just say how many bucks are you
going to be at the helm for or the trigger?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
My mentor shoot does a lot of times, that's that's true.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the the
two new hunters I'm with, I think one of the
two will shoot a deer during the early October hunt
I'm doing with them, and then my dad.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm guiding my dad basically trying to help him get
a deer at the end of October, and I'm feeling
really good about the stuff we've done to have that
ready for him.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So so yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
We'll get two more across that, and then I am
doing actually more mentor hunts in December, and I'm sure
we're gonna kill a dough or two during that thing,
so you know, and.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If we're including does, I'm going to kill at least
two to four dos.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
So let's give me my two bucks, my four does,
and my three mentees. So now we're talking nine. So
I'm claiming credit for nine this year.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Let's go to I'm all about it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
So yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, so guiding your dad, what kind of fee you're
getting for that or is that just uh, that's.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Just like I'll get a better Christmas present maybe this.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Year, probably a fly rod or something.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, that's that's the basic good ask.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
For I hear the White River fly rods are the
way to go, man. I don't know if you've ever
seen that ticket. Yeah, just check them out.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I will.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It's it's good stuff anyway. This week, so we're going
to talk to you, uh and get some reports from
you throughout the season from different states. So I'm pretty
excited about that because you obviously have a lot of
different things going on this year, and you're gonna see
a lot of deer hunting, a lot of deer, a
lot of deer woods. But this week, uh, in particular,
there's only so many states open. So we've got Alex
(20:51):
comstock from North Dakota. Mark has them from South Carolina,
which is a muggy place to be right now. I'm sure. Uh,
Chad Rye from Tennessee and Reed Struggle from Kentucky a
good buddy of ours. So uh, that's kind of what
we're going to look at this week, and we're gonna
switch it around and get some different reports next week.
You'll be moving pretty quick into different states. So I'm
(21:14):
really looking forward being that I'm not I don't have
an early season or at early September hunt this year
for white tails, and really it's going to be making
me itch, if you know what I.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Mean, I do, You're going to be You're gonna be
struggling these next couple of weeks while you're hearing all
this deer hunside.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I already feel bad that I'm not out.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
There for like that September one. I can't imagine having
to wait till the end of the one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, next year, we're taking you, no matter what. It
sounds like a plan. I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, cool, dude.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, let's hear the reports from the guys around the
country and Mark, we'll talk to you in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
On the phone, I've got Mark Haslam. He is in
South Carolina. I've been hunting some deer mark what's happening, dude?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Now much just just went through a hurricane. So that's
past and I'm back in the woods trying to get
over some Bucks.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Does that hurricane effect kind of just what goes on
normally there? Like, is that going to change the way
to react?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
What it did was it It pretty.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Much came through all day yesterday and so the day before,
they were the evening before, in the morning of in
the morning after, they were hunker down pretty tight. So
I'm hoping that these next couple of days we've got
some cool attempts that should be out feeding pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, that's cool. So what have you been doing to Target?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But y'all have a really early season, right, so you've
been hunting for a little while, that's right.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
We opened in the lower half South Carolina August fifteenth,
and this Bucks only, so we have to we legally
have to hart target Bucks this time of year until
September fifteenth. So what I'm doing is either king king
in on destination food sources in the evenings, I'll get
close to them, not on them, but just a little
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bit off trying to catch them, trying to cut them
off in the mornings.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I will.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Clam usually right outside of some bedding and trying to
catch them coming back into bed.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Are there any native or natural at least food sources
that you're can in on it all right now?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
We we've we've gotten so much rain in the south
this summer that uh, and it's it's still rolling through
with this hurricane. So really, any if someone has any
kind of early successional growth, you know, rag weed, uh, briars,
black bears, any anything like that, just walk through it,
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take a look at it and see if it's any
kind of you know, snippers there with any kind of brow. So, yeah,
it's uh, the via right now, they are absolutely hitting ag.
But a lot of our corn is being harvested right now.
So if if if they were going to corny, they're
probably shifting over to peanuts or soybeans like that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, So, and I'm guessing some of that early successional
growth there's going to be probably betting in those areas too,
some huh, So I would I would suppose since you
said you're hunting mornings near betting, you're kind of you're
kind of catching them maybe browsing before they get back
to bed and then close to bed there are you
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able to pretty consistently get in before they're in those
areas in the morning.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean I'm trying to get in and get
set up, like thirty forty five minutes before first light.
But what I found is that a lot of time
Bucks they will linger a little bit longer rather than
like go groups this time of the year do groups.
So a lot of times be the first back into
bed and bucks will kind of linger around. But if
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you have some some thin and open pines or some
timber that's been burned or has some early successional growth,
you've got for them to kind of linger through, you know,
finish up, finish up browsing before they go back to bed.
If you've got some stands that are wide open with
very little and you can just kind of see right
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through it, they're gonna be probably starting through those pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
It last light, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So with the hurricane moving through in Velvet starting to
come off around the country. Uh, on a scale of
one to ten, what do you predict buck movement to
be like over the next week.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
I think it's gonna probably remain how it has been
about maybe a six or seven, you know, not really
they're still in that summer yeah, I mean they're still
in that summer pattern of just bedding and eating, and
that's really all they're doing. Every day on my on
my cell cams, I'm getting like a.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
New buck every day.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's us shut us velvet.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
So we're probably we're definitely more than half half our
bucks have been shed shed a velvet. So there's still
with some peered up in battler groups, and pretty soon
they're gonna start shifting into that next you know, pre
right phase.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, exciting time of year, man, delvit comes off. You
actually know what you got and I can look forward
to some good days to come.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Mark.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
We thanks, thank you for the report, dude, absolutely thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All right on the phone now, I've got Chad Rice
from Cruiser Saddles. Chad, what's been going on?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Man?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Oh, not a lot, man, Just trying to stay in
some ac and beat this heat in Phennessee right now.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah. See, yeah, it's hot, but you know, ain't Texas
hot or nothing down there. We know what it's like
up there. I mean, it's y'all got that y'all got
that dry heat.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
We got that wet steam heat.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't know. I feel like we're closer than golfs
than y'all are, but who knows.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The it is dry right now. I can tell you that.
I mean, you can't walk with it kicking up a
dust storm where we're at. We need rain bad, but
I know it. Man. So you've been out hunting a
little bit. You guys have really early season, or at
least it starts pretty early and have a chance to
get velvet. In fact, one of our buddies, Hunter went
up there and made a video with you last year
(27:10):
on a velvet buck. But you've been out doing the thing. Man,
What have you been keen on on what you've been seeing?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah? Man, So Tennessee's got an early velvet seasons just
three days long there. It was last weekend and unfortunately
we had a heat wave and the average temp all
weekend was probably like between ninety five.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
And one hundred degrees. So that's hot.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean we hunted. Me and the guys in
the shop there. We hunted all weekend and not much
to speak for. It was just, you know, super hot.
We were having deer on camera the week before and
then this heat wave came.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Through and pretty much shut them down.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Man, So were they still showing because you've been sending
me those pictures. Have they been showing up like after
dark now or did they just change their patterns or
what do you think?
Speaker 7 (28:04):
You know, I feel like they just changed their patterns.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know, where we were.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Hunting them at and where we're getting them on camera
was on top of these ridges and stuff, and there's
not much water up here, and we're pretty close to
the lake where we're hunting. So I feel like they
dropped down in these cool draws and kind of hung
out by some water.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So if you were gonna so target Bucks like right now,
would you still say like water is the key?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I would say water is a big factor right now.
For sure. It is.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Like I said, it's super hot, it's cool to off
since last weekend, but it's still average like eighty five
to ninety degree days.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So water I think is a big factor right now. Yeah,
So what do you think.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Buck movement looks like going forward for like the next
week and we're looking at still more of that just
you know, not time movement waiting on some cooler camps.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah, man, from what I'm seeing on camera, we're getting
a lot of nocturnal movement, a lot of bucks moving
that night. And you know, we don't we can't hunt
again until the end of September. But you know, if
you're in Kentucky or anywhere else that opens early, I
would I would definitely say water, try to try to
(29:23):
maybe get close to bedding, and.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, that's your best bet.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think right now, what do you think the movement
is on a scale of one to ten for bucks.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
M probably probably around a five, I would say, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I would say it's.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Even lower during the day, maybe early morning hours, late evening.
They're still gonna move a little bit. But uh, you know,
like I said, movement on our cameras has been it's
definitely slowed down quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, I'll tell you a good cold front this time
of year and do a lot, But if you don't
get that, man, it's uh, it can be a tough
time of year, you know, so absolutely, you know, depending
on where you're at in the country and what hurricanes
are happening or whatever else. That's kind of the main
the main thing that can adjust your climate. And make
for a better hunt. So, uh, Chad, I appreciate your friendship.
(30:19):
I appreciate you doing this with us this week, and
hopefully we'll get you back on when the rut is
kicking or something like that.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Again, absolutely, boys, I appreciate it as always.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
All right, now on the phone, I've got Red Struggle.
He's been out in Kentucky doing a little hunting public land.
Got some private land stuff going to I guess in
the area. Man, what has been going on?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
How's it going, y'all? It's uh, it's hot, it's hot,
and uh, we're waiting on we're waiting on a card fronts.
That warm weather from down south has made it up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, we've been slipping around. Wait, we've been sending it
y'all's way all summer. I don't know why it hasn't left,
but you know, maybe it's just like you know, it's
like a fire man. You know. Once the hotter it gets,
the more you can feel it from distance, you know.
So that's what you are getting right now as from Yeah,
so you've you did some hunting this weekend in Kentucky? Man,
(31:24):
what was it like?
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Or so the opener partnered up with a buddy. We
decided for some reason to go a mile in on
public into a semi new area. We knew it from
turkey hunting, but uh, didn't have much luck. It's it's
it's been warm. So opener was on Saturday. Thursday, we
had a south wind roll in bringing warm weather. The
(31:51):
wind switched to an east Friday, which would have been
awesome to hunt, but Saturday it was hot south when
not much going on, real humid, you know, high of
in the mid eighties that day. Low in this you know,
mid sixties in the morning, which was nice, but it
wound up quick, so had no luck there and had deer.
(32:14):
We blew one out early. You know, this time of
year is so.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Tough on that morning hunt. So that's uh, it's.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Kind of what we ran into on the public.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, so what are you actually targeting? You you trying to
go in and find some food sources or are you
going to bed in areas?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Like why'd you go that far into the woods?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (32:30):
So the goal was actually on that area to get
close to private. There's a couple of ridgetops up there
and we had water just basically on the other side
of the ridge from us. So we're trying to get
them gone from the private seat. Hit some ag, hit
that water source, go to bed, and I think we
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kind of bumped some out getting in there early because
that one frock came came in. But they're on the
acorn started dropping. They're not raining yet.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
I haven't found any you know hot real hot oaks,
one of those Warren Womac you know feed trees, but
we are looking for them because that's there.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
They're going to be on those acuns.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Here for sure. So you know, you as far as
like what your the patterns you're hunting right now and
what you're going to be going in hunting the future.
Is there going to be a change here like in
the next week as to what you're gonna be hunting
over or is it the same? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:30):
So similar On the private, things change a little bit.
We are allowed to have the mineral sites and feed
in Kentucky, So on my private I've got some feed
out and uh on my cameras. When we have those
north wind days, I've got my cameras lighting up quite
a bit. I actually went in hunted the haunted the
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private the next day on a hard south wind and it.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was tough.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
It ended up kind of being the slack wind. There
was not much going on at all. Thermals were all.
It was just swirly.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was no good.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
You know, I saw a young bachelor group on the
way out. You know, they're still hanging around. But I've
got some deer and hardhorn already on camera, have some
in velvet. It seems the more mature bucks are starting
to split out of their bachelor groups. But my target
going forward is still gonna be based around ag and
(34:27):
trying to find a hot feed tree, because that's you know,
I think where those mature bucks are gonna be.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's sounds like an encouraging week coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
If you had to predict the buck movement on a
scale of one to ten for the upcoming week, what
would you give it.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Yeah, So Wednesday, I've got a nice thunderstorm afternoon coming.
It's gonna switch to a north wind. We're dropping down
into degrees. It's gonna get down to the seventies. We've
got some knots in the fifties coming up this weekend,
big north wind. So I think this upcoming weekend is
going to be killer Friday, Saturday, Sunday is gonna be
(35:08):
really good. I would say movement wise, it's gonna be
you know, probably like a six or seven. Just because
of that switch we're going from the south wind hot
it's gonna change. I think, really it's gonna be pretty good.
I got a high hope for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, for sure, Man, September cold fronts can be deadly. Man.
I think I've seen in the past where you know,
people have really done well on those things. So that's
that's a hopeful and optimistic prediction there, man. And I'm
very glad that you, uh you gave it to us.
I appreciate your time today read and uh, I hope
you have a killer week next week, man, of course.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
Appreciate y'all. Hopefully we'll get one on the get one
on the ground. I'm trying to kill my first year
with a traditional bow, all right, So we're we're we're
getting after any of them. They all better duck fast,
you know.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
But we are, we are.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
It should be good, so I appreciate it. Good providence,
young man. All right on the phone, now, I've got
Alex Comstock from Whitetail DNA. What's going on, man, how
much are you guys doing? Doing pretty good? It's a
it's a fairly cool day here. It might even be
hotter where you're at than it is here in Texas.
Today we've got some rain and a cool a little
cool front. So ninety three here, what are you looking at?
Speaker 11 (36:22):
Oh you might have us beat today. We're at eighty
eight right now. But it's cooler today than it's been
the last handful of days.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, well that's cool man. So with h with
the last few days being hot and then now a
colder day, what's what's the movement been like? Yeah, so
far it's been pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I'd give it.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
I don't know, like a's three out of ten, it's
been h. We've had quite a few guys in camp,
so you've been able to cover quite a few different areas,
and we're spread out from probably the furthest furthert people
away from each other, probably an hour and a half away,
Like we're covering ground. But we had one guy killed
last night, two people shot bucks, So I mean starting
(37:04):
to pick up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Which is nice.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's cool man.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So if you're hunting early season top patterns, does the
heat almost increase the efficiency on that, or would you
like to see the cooler weather come in.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
I mean, there's probably no world in which I prefer
one hundred degree temps. Yeah, I've taken the cooler temps
every day of the week. I mean, you know, it's funny.
Last year out here opening week, we had a huge
cold snap right at the beginning of season, and I
think it actually the movement kind of shut off. And
then this year we had a huge heat wave, and
(37:40):
I just wanted it to be consistent temperatures to keep
these bucks on their patterns. But I just can't seem
to catch your break with the weather, I guess.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So, do you have anything that you feel like is
kind of patterned right now?
Speaker 9 (37:53):
You know, I've got one buck.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
I mean, there's a couple bucks that we've got daylighting
every so often. The one buck probably a three or
four year old ten pointer that's daylighted three of the
last four nights in the last hour, and so he's
also been there a bunch in the middle of the night.
And so I'm hoping with the cold front that's upcoming
(38:15):
in the next couple of days here that he shows
up and I can can lays an arrow throw them.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
What kind of pattern is he on?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
So he's coming out of a standing cornfield into the
edge of a of a bean field.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
With some oaks around, dropping a corns pretty much.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh that sounds picturesque, that does, man? That's that standing
corn is always tricky for me. Man, I don't. I
don't love being around it much because you have deer
that'll bet in it, and you have deer that'll feed
in it, and if there's a pivot there, they water
in it. So it can get real tricky sometimes to
figure out the movement patterns. You know, it's tough.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
I mean, I had a one of my top shooters
after the other day and it's right along the edge
of a standing cornfield, and I had one deer I
could just hear slowly moving through the corn and I
just had that gut feeling of this, but never got
to see what deer was, never shown himself.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
That hurts.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
So when you're in North Dakota, the days are pretty
long still this time of year. What time do you
have to leave your stand to go play a complete eighteen?
And then what time do you have to be back
in your stand for the evening?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Hunt? Well, we only did nine. Oh gotcha. There was
a little bit of seriousness that question.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's kind of funny that you're getting some golf, and
I appreciate that, but you know, in all seriousness, like
you don't want to go to the stand and just
sweat your tail off all day. What time are you
getting in there for an evening hunt?
Speaker 11 (39:33):
Yeah, we're not, like we're gonna leave today maybe four
four thirty. By the time we're in and setting ready
to rock, it's about five thirty and sunsets at like
eight fifteen. So it so we're getting I mean, most
of these deer, if they're hitting on camera in daylight,
it's typically in the last I mean, shoot fifteen to
twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We really don't have I mean.
Speaker 11 (39:54):
But in contrary, you know which kind of contradictions what
I'm saying, both guys at shot Bucks last night killed
or shot Bucks at like seven and seven fifteen, so
a full hour before sunset.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So going forward with the weather change that just happened
or any other factors you may have, or are you
gonna focus on the same same patterns that have been
you've been seeing on cameras or in you're scouting or
are you gonna change things up.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
We're gonna stick with it and just essentially hope that
uh this you know we're going from. It was one
hundred and like two yesterday, whereas tomorrow the highs I
think sixty four. So we're just gonna hope that that
gets those deer up moving a little bit earlier and
kind of hunt the scene patterns essentially.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well that with that being said, if you're gonna rate
the Butt movie going forward this week from a scale
of one to ten, what would it be.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm gonna give her.
Speaker 9 (40:48):
I'm gonna give her a six.
Speaker 11 (40:50):
I'm gonna I'm trying to get I'm trying to get
over a five, and uh if it's a six, I'm
gonna be a happy campus.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Put it that way.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Nice dude.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, hey, I know that you have a lot of
history up there in North Dakota and you kind of
got it figured out. So I'm rooting for you. I
hope you have a really good hunt this evening. Man, Hey,
appreciate it. Hopefully I'm hoping the same thing.
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It's good to be here.
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Yeah, it's we were just talking before we start recording
that this might be like season seven or eight or
nine of Reugh Fresh.
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As a mini series of Wired Hunt.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I don't know exactly what it is, but it's We've
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that it's still going and that you guys are at
the helm helping keep this this part of the ship
afloat because this is one of my personal favorite things
we do every year. So thanks for being back, gentlemen.
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Absolutely, man, it's a lot of fun.
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It's cool getting to talk to people around the country
and of course getting to talk to you from time
to time to hear the Michigan viewpoint on on things.
And I think that was a question I wanted to
ask you, thinking about, you know, the history of Retfresh radio.
You know, you remark that this is one of your
favorite things that comes out. Do you have a situation
that you can remember where information given on Retfresh directly
(02:17):
impacted a hunt and maybe brought you a bug?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Hmmm, that's a good question, and off the top of
my head, I don't know if I could think of
a like specific situation where, like, man, what I heard
this day impacted my hunts, you know, right away, and
I killed the deer because of it. But it definitely
is like I make a I don't listen to I
don't listen to my own podcasts obviously because.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't want to hear myself. Schever, Joe, I'll take
that back.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I occasionally do re listen to like really old archival ones,
and I just like fast forward the intro where I
talk for a long time because I want to hear
like just that guest is I don't remember the stuff,
but in the season, like I'm not listening to new
stuff of course, So what I do listen to those.
I do like to listen to every brought fresh radio
because you're hearing from you know, four or five different
people across the country. They've got different ideas. They're seeing
(03:06):
things that maybe I'll be seeing soon or maybe I
just saw. And I'm curious of compare notes. So I
can't think of a specific example right now. I can
tell you, like two thousand percent it has helped me.
It has like kept me, you know, keeping ideas fresh
in my mind, or gave me a new idea or
pointing me in a direction that maybe just got me
thinking about something that I was able to apply later
(03:28):
down the road. So yeah, like the idea of what
this thing, what we wanted this thing to be. However
many years ago it was that we started this, you know,
mini series. It has absolutely become that thing, like the
thing that I want. You know, It's like every week
I like to text my buddies or call a couple
of friends saying, hey, what are you seeing?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
What what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
What's how's that call front impacting you? Or what do
you think about this moon phase? Or man, how's the
drop and impacting your dear sidings? Right, I'm sure you
guys have got a bunch of buddies that you're kind
of you know, John with back and forth and comparing notes,
and this is a way to do that, but on
a weekly scale with a much wider network.
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So we all are really lucky that we get to
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Think every week, and you know, I'm certainly enjoying and
benefiting from it. So what was it like if you
don't mind me stealing your thunder and asking you guys
a question?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Now, you know, what was the experience like for you
guys last year?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Because you for years, right, you guys were occasionally guests
on Refresh Radio and like sharing what you were seeing
with people when Spencer called you, and maybe you listened
to some episodes of Refresh Radio.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Back in the day and use that to get some ideas.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
What was the experience like last year being put into
the driver's seat and all of a sudden you were
hosting the miniseries. You were you know, asking people questions.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Did that ended up?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
You know, was it did you learn more because of that?
Or was it did you just blaze over and forget
it all?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was that? Like? No, I think it was a
learning experience, man, I feel like, so there was this
weird thing that happened, which you actually, I think this
is off air, but we were talking about some one
week stuff and you kind of had the same sentiment
where we were out in the field, like the first
week in November and there was some pretty sluggish movement.
(05:15):
And you know, if you were just hunting with your
buddies in a certain area of the US and you
saw that sluggish movement in early November, you might just
be like, oh, they're nocturnal, it's too hot. Whatever, you know,
you or just whatever. You may not really understand this,
but I mean legitimately, one thing we learned last year
(05:36):
through doing Retfresh was that the like a big portion
of the US actually had I mean like a late rut.
I mean it was legitimately a week behind or more
in a lot of places. It seemed like, I mean
across the board, we heard that that was the case.
And I don't know, there's so many variables, right, like
it could be you know, a million different things from
(05:57):
whether temperatures to moon or whatever. But and we travel
a lot too, so we were seeing that in multiple states,
multiple areas. But to be able to have those guys
say hey, for some reason, like you know, the teens
of November were way better than the first you know,
ten days, and it just kind of it makes you
(06:18):
feel like you're a little less on an island. And
then yeah, I also think that like there's a huge
inspiration factor here on this podcast where it's like, uh,
you may you know, you get so wrapped up and
works a lot of times that you just kind of
forget to check the weather and be excited about what's coming,
and then all of a sudden, you know you're working,
(06:40):
you're building a house, you know you're a framer or
whatever you might be. You got the podcast going on
refreshing somebody's you know, in your neck of the woods
or where you're going to end up being in November,
and they're like, well next you know, you ask them
scale one to ten, what what's the next week look
like for you? You're like, well, there's a cold front
coming in, and all of a sudden you just HiPE
and you start making plans and it is It is
(07:00):
inspirational where like you want to get in the woods
because you figure out like maybe things are happening and
you got too busy for a little bit there, or
even just a guy may be like hey, and you
you kind of a loaded this earlier, but like, hey,
since this is happening, you can kill a deer in
this way and you didn't think about that until then,
And all of a sudden you're like, yeah, let's let's
(07:22):
try that next week.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
You know, yeah, well, you guys have talked about this
for years. The benefit of like having a hunting buddy
with you just is like throwing new ideas at you
right just to like trigger different thoughts or that you're
hearing what they're doing and that makes you think maybe
I should just rethink, you know, get out of your
own little tunnel vision a little bit. I've always felt
like this podcast kind of functions in that kind of
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way because every single week you're getting five different hunting
buddies ideas for the week or perspective from that week,
and it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Can just like get you out.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Of your own head and get some new stuff into
the mix, and that sometimes is all you need to
get point in.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The right direction.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
So there's a long winded way of saying, I'm excited
for what's coming this week and all these nice couple
of months.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, man, I think that hype is a big part
of what makes this fun, you know, like the best part, dude.
Oh man, It's just like right now we're on the
cusp of like why to hunting. Some people are even
already doing it, you know, and we'll talk to those
guys here in a minute. But there's like this aspect
of you know, kay Tyler's talking about like around the country,
there's also like this upwelling of just all of us
(08:28):
people who are deer hunters that are all just kind
of starting to get excited. And one of the things
that I noticed last year was that people would and
I'm not because I think that people's ratings.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Are their ratings.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I don't try to like read too much into it, right,
But you hardly ever have anybody who's like, oh it's
it wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's like a two.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They'll be like, oh, it's not very good. It's like
a five. And it's like that's because you love to
deer hunt man. Even when it's not good, it's still
pretty good, you know. So it's a little bit encouraging
when you start hearing those numbers, you know, because I
could I can remember doing this. Some people like it
was okay, I'll give it like a seven. I was like, hey,
seven is pretty good, man, I.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Say that too. There a couple of times, Casey where
you were trying to get people to be a little
more realistic, like, come on, really.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
This is.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe I try to be a realist, but you know, man,
that internal optimist just shines through sometimes.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So, you know, I think that's why we asked the
questions and don't just ask for the ratings, right, so
you get a little bit more insight into that stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
So, right, I love that just you get the color,
you get, you know, a prediction of what they're expecting
is coming week or what they just experienced last week.
But then also, you know, I've always found my favorite
thing is like hearing a specific person's you know, particular
ideas for how they dealt with like this, so circumstances,
like what did you think about this very specific thing?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Or you know, I love the details in this show.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Like a lot of long podcasts, like my regular shows, right,
you can talk to some thee for an hour and
a half and you're kind of all over the place
stories and yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's great. But what
I've always liked about Rough Fresh is like when you
can be like, man, all right, there was cold weather
three days ago the hit Nebraska. How did that impact
things for you in the eastern part of the state,
(10:14):
Like I can sew think, those very specific things just
shine a different kind of light that you can then
apply to you know, your own your own hunts.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So yeaheah, I love it, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And speaking of applying things to your own hunts, Mark,
if I remember right, we did this intro episode last
year and you kind of had a theme for this
season that was and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
but essentially it's like a back to basics or maybe
I don't know how to how to say this show
but not.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Cool values like what what getting back to? Like why
you do this?
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Not trying too hard for the wrong reasons, right, And
it seems like that really paid off for you. I mean,
you had a great season last year. You killed some
really nice bucks man, so congrats on that. And so
giving forward to this year, are are you continuing on
and trying to kind of expand upon that approach or
do you look at this season differently?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So so.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I'm trying to avoid the sophomore slump. So if if
last year, like I was, my hunting buddies, like another
group chat called it fun season, like hashtag fun season.
Whenever they're like joking, they're referring to like my year,
like the what I was trying to do just get
back to having fun and everything.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
So fun season was a huge success last year.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I can already feel like some of the old just
things about me like kind of coming back in like
I can find I can see myself like ah, man,
you know, would be really kind of fun to hold
out for that like big, big giant and maybe that
one buck only and or maybe I gotta go to
Illinois because I didn't get after like a really certain
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specific kind of deer.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Like all these things that you know, I.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Like to do that are fun to do, but could
like put you know, more pressure or more whatever on me.
I want to like maintain some like moderation across what
I do instead of becoming a freak, which I think
has always been like my one of my kryptonites. So
I want to maintain the fun season spirit and not
fall back into my old way. So that's the biggest thing,
(12:14):
is like not get too hung up on any one
thing too much. Just have fun with it. And I
mean that's that's really it. I mean, I just I
felt really good about last year. What I guess I
realized though, is like not every year is going to
go that well, right. I mean, so I've constantly reminded
myself this past year is like you can do everything
(12:35):
right and you're still gonna have some of those years
where you know, things just don't fall into place the
right way.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
So last year I did.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Them some things right and things did fall my way.
This year, I might do it all right, and it
just cars might be different, so I need to make sure.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Like I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
But all that said, you know, I've been organizing my
my hunts and my plans and stuff around getting some
more time with friends and family while still doing some
great hunts.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
And you know, this is really everything that I had
last year going into it.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It's just trying to maintain it this year. I'm not
changing the script. I just want to like make sure
it wasn't a fluke.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I want to show some consistency and that continue to
kind of mature as a hunter, enjoy it, really keep
keep that good thing going, and you know, we'll see
where the cards fall. But but yeah, I'm it's a
very long winded way of saying I'm excited to have fun.
I'm excited to do some hunt with my dad, excited
to do some more hunting with our buddy Hilliard. I'm
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excited to get after some local deer but also do
a couple of fun trips. And man, it's almost here.
I leave for my first trip next week, so Costa.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Man, that's cool. Your first trip is next week.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
If people are listening the week this comes out, there
is a awesome hunt from you from last year. That's
one of the bucks were alluding to that just came
out for one week in November.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right, yeah, Yeah, So then you go.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Check that out if they If they haven't, we'll put
a link to that in the description as well so
that they can take a look at that. It sounds
like you've got some new territory opened up to you
there as well, So y'all kind of got a little
bit excitement going there. Tyler and I just got back
from a little bit of a trip but haven't got
to do any white tail hunt yet. I think our
(14:17):
first white tail hunt's going to be at the end
of September, and we're pretty stoked for that. In fact,
that's like one of my favorite times of the year
to hunt. Not everywhere has a season opened, but it's
like you still have that summer pattern going and those
deer are just so predictable. So I'm pretty excited about
the white tail season.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I think that we're all slated for something good to
happen now in what amounts who knows, right, Because like
you said, the interesting thing about deer is that no
matter how many variables you think you control, the deer
still do what they want to do. And I think
that's why we're able to talk to four people around
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the country every week and get you know, interesting takes
because Tyler and I were talking about it well ago, man.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The neat thing about whitetail is they're all different.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, like you can look at a mule deer
that is a big one, but it looks like all
the other big ones usually you know, it's a four
by four that has a big old frame. Or you
look at an elk, you know, like a six or
six is a big one, and they're awesome and they're
one of my favorite creatures.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But whitetail are so unique.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know, Tyler's got a bunch of deer on the
wall right now that we're looking at, and not on
one of them looks like the other one. And they
come from all over the country. There's so many different
hunting opportunities for them in so many different seasons that
stretch from you know, July into February, right, And that's
really what makes this thing feel like a big old campfire,
right because we're all doing this kind of our unique
(15:40):
way in different parts of the country. But we're all
hunting the same critter and it makes things very exciting.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
And it's next to college football this time of year.
It's the best dang thing out there.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Golley Man Sparty must have had a good first week.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
It was.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
It was okay, but I'm still I'm still I'm still
hyped about it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It was you know, there's something to be this.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Iired from the Spartans this year, but I'm maintaining hope
for mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
We'll be They're not sitting in you know, prime territory,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So, no, not this year, but we'll good bye on
season one season.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Okay, So how many how many de are you gonna
shoot this year? How many bucks?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Dude, two is probably realistic. You know, I'd be really
I'd be happy if I can get two good ones
on the ground. I could shoot up to four. I
think I've got four up to I think five buck
takes probably when it's all said and done, But being realistic,
two would be pretty solid, certainly possible more, but well,
(16:40):
I'm gonna try to manage my expectations and say two
across all those trips at all at least happen.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That's the most conservative thing I've heard you say.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
More. You're rubbing off on the t.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, I'm gonna kill five, Mark, not to try to
up you, but I just doing my optimistic thing this year.
I gotta, I gotta do it because if I'm gonna
hang out with KC, you know, just try it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You can't do anything, but Mark, I think you're gonna
con Moordan that just so you know, but I appreciate
your conservatism there, and you're gonna have an awesome season.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Tyler, five is a good number. That's a good over,
a nunder. That's what number I was in high school?
Was it?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
You guys, you guys fling them like I believe you're
gonna make it that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, well you shoot at shoot at might be like twelve,
you know, So it's a numbers game, that's right, man,
you have enough airs in the air. One I'm gonna
land here or later. It's just joking, everybody, just joking.
But if you did listen to Mark's podcast recently, we
did say Tyler and I both are confident at fifty
yards in a certain situation. So you know that's not
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for everyone and not every not every fifty yard opportunity
is one you should take, but you know, under the
right conditions. I think I put my over and under
at six. Being an alchemist, I am let's go. We
have a couple more draws to come out still, it's
maybe might help out with some tag allocation there and Florida. Yeah,
(18:06):
but uh man, I think that it is. I shot
five last year, and I'm not trying to I'm not
trying to brag because the last one is onber November eighth,
and then I hunted like two months after that didn't
kill one, so it was kind of front loaded. I'd
like to spread them out a little bit more this year.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
And uh yeah, I believe in you, Casey. I gotta say,
like I I go back to defend my prediction.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Two of like my big films.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
That I'm doing this year aren't even me hunting. It's
me mentoring other people. So I'm actually like not even
going to be with the trigger for a lot of
the season of parts. So I'm actively handicapping myself, keeping
me from being at the same level as you, Casey.
So I want to make sure I know what you're
thinking in the back of your mind. You're saying that
five six bucks, and you're getting taller and taller and taller.
(18:58):
Uh so I just got to make sure you remember
or that if I weren't mentoring, it'd.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Be right up the six seventh.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, yeah, I can count those.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So let's let's go with your since you are the
fresh maker, mister minto himself, are you? So if you
count those, let's just say how many bucks are you
going to be at the helm for or the trigger?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
My mentor shoot does a lot of times, that's that's true.
Speaker 8 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the the
two new hunters I'm with, I think one of the
two will shoot a deer during the early October hunt
I'm doing with them, and then my dad.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I'm guiding my dad basically trying to help him get
a deer at the end of October, and I'm feeling
really good about the stuff we've done to have that
ready for him.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So so yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
We'll get two more across that, and then I am
doing actually more mentor hunts in December, and I'm sure
we're gonna kill a dough or two during that thing,
so you know, and.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
If we're including does, I'm going to kill at least
two to four dos.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
So let's give me my two bucks, my four does,
and my three mentees. So now we're talking nine. So
I'm claiming credit for nine this year.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Let's go to I'm all about it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
So yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, so guiding your dad, what kind of fee you're
getting for that or is that just uh, that's.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Just like I'll get a better Christmas present maybe this.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Year, probably a fly rod or something.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, that's that's the basic good ask.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
For I hear the White River fly rods are the
way to go, man. I don't know if you've ever
seen that ticket. Yeah, just check them out.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I will.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It's it's good stuff anyway. This week, so we're going
to talk to you, uh and get some reports from
you throughout the season from different states. So I'm pretty
excited about that because you obviously have a lot of
different things going on this year, and you're gonna see
a lot of deer hunting, a lot of deer, a
lot of deer woods. But this week, uh, in particular,
there's only so many states open. So we've got Alex
(20:51):
comstock from North Dakota. Mark has them from South Carolina,
which is a muggy place to be right now. I'm sure. Uh,
Chad Rye from Tennessee and Reed Struggle from Kentucky a
good buddy of ours. So uh, that's kind of what
we're going to look at this week, and we're gonna
switch it around and get some different reports next week.
You'll be moving pretty quick into different states. So I'm
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really looking forward being that I'm not I don't have
an early season or at early September hunt this year
for white tails, and really it's going to be making
me itch, if you know what I.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Mean, I do, You're going to be You're gonna be
struggling these next couple of weeks while you're hearing all
this deer hunside.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I already feel bad that I'm not out.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
There for like that September one. I can't imagine having
to wait till the end of the one.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, next year, we're taking you, no matter what. It
sounds like a plan. I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, cool, dude.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, let's hear the reports from the guys around the
country and Mark, we'll talk to you in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
On the phone, I've got Mark Haslam. He is in
South Carolina. I've been hunting some deer mark what's happening, dude?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Now much just just went through a hurricane. So that's
past and I'm back in the woods trying to get
over some Bucks.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Does that hurricane effect kind of just what goes on
normally there? Like, is that going to change the way
to react?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
What it did was it It pretty.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Much came through all day yesterday and so the day before,
they were the evening before, in the morning of in
the morning after, they were hunker down pretty tight. So
I'm hoping that these next couple of days we've got
some cool attempts that should be out feeding pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, that's cool. So what have you been doing to Target?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But y'all have a really early season, right, so you've
been hunting for a little while, that's right.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
We opened in the lower half South Carolina August fifteenth,
and this Bucks only, so we have to we legally
have to hart target Bucks this time of year until
September fifteenth. So what I'm doing is either king king
in on destination food sources in the evenings, I'll get
close to them, not on them, but just a little
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bit off trying to catch them, trying to cut them
off in the mornings.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I will.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Clam usually right outside of some bedding and trying to
catch them coming back into bed.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Are there any native or natural at least food sources
that you're can in on it all right now?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (23:18):
We we've we've gotten so much rain in the south
this summer that uh, and it's it's still rolling through
with this hurricane. So really, any if someone has any
kind of early successional growth, you know, rag weed, uh, briars,
black bears, any anything like that, just walk through it,
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take a look at it and see if it's any
kind of you know, snippers there with any kind of brow. So, yeah,
it's uh, the via right now, they are absolutely hitting ag.
But a lot of our corn is being harvested right now.
So if if if they were going to corny, they're
probably shifting over to peanuts or soybeans like that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, So, and I'm guessing some of that early successional
growth there's going to be probably betting in those areas too,
some huh, So I would I would suppose since you
said you're hunting mornings near betting, you're kind of you're
kind of catching them maybe browsing before they get back
to bed and then close to bed there are you
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able to pretty consistently get in before they're in those
areas in the morning.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean I'm trying to get in and get
set up, like thirty forty five minutes before first light.
But what I found is that a lot of time
Bucks they will linger a little bit longer rather than
like go groups this time of the year do groups.
So a lot of times be the first back into
bed and bucks will kind of linger around. But if
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you have some some thin and open pines or some
timber that's been burned or has some early successional growth,
you've got for them to kind of linger through, you know,
finish up, finish up browsing before they go back to bed.
If you've got some stands that are wide open with
very little and you can just kind of see right
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through it, they're gonna be probably starting through those pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
It last light, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So with the hurricane moving through in Velvet starting to
come off around the country. Uh, on a scale of
one to ten, what do you predict buck movement to
be like over the next week.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
I think it's gonna probably remain how it has been
about maybe a six or seven, you know, not really
they're still in that summer yeah, I mean they're still
in that summer pattern of just bedding and eating, and
that's really all they're doing. Every day on my on
my cell cams, I'm getting like a.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
New buck every day.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's us shut us velvet.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
So we're probably we're definitely more than half half our
bucks have been shed shed a velvet. So there's still
with some peered up in battler groups, and pretty soon
they're gonna start shifting into that next you know, pre
right phase.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, exciting time of year, man, delvit comes off. You
actually know what you got and I can look forward
to some good days to come.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Mark.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
We thanks, thank you for the report, dude, absolutely thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All right on the phone now, I've got Chad Rice
from Cruiser Saddles. Chad, what's been going on?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Man?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Oh, not a lot, man, Just trying to stay in
some ac and beat this heat in Phennessee right now.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah. See, yeah, it's hot, but you know, ain't Texas
hot or nothing down there. We know what it's like
up there. I mean, it's y'all got that y'all got
that dry heat.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
We got that wet steam heat.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't know. I feel like we're closer than golfs
than y'all are, but who knows.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The it is dry right now. I can tell you that.
I mean, you can't walk with it kicking up a
dust storm where we're at. We need rain bad, but
I know it. Man. So you've been out hunting a
little bit. You guys have really early season, or at
least it starts pretty early and have a chance to
get velvet. In fact, one of our buddies, Hunter went
up there and made a video with you last year
(27:10):
on a velvet buck. But you've been out doing the thing. Man,
What have you been keen on on what you've been seeing?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah? Man, So Tennessee's got an early velvet seasons just
three days long there. It was last weekend and unfortunately
we had a heat wave and the average temp all
weekend was probably like between ninety five.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
And one hundred degrees. So that's hot.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Yeah, I mean we hunted. Me and the guys in
the shop there. We hunted all weekend and not much
to speak for. It was just, you know, super hot.
We were having deer on camera the week before and
then this heat wave came.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Through and pretty much shut them down.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Man, So were they still showing because you've been sending
me those pictures. Have they been showing up like after
dark now or did they just change their patterns or
what do you think?
Speaker 7 (28:04):
You know, I feel like they just changed their patterns.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know, where we were.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Hunting them at and where we're getting them on camera
was on top of these ridges and stuff, and there's
not much water up here, and we're pretty close to
the lake where we're hunting. So I feel like they
dropped down in these cool draws and kind of hung
out by some water.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So if you were gonna so target Bucks like right now,
would you still say like water is the key?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I would say water is a big factor right now.
For sure. It is.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Like I said, it's super hot, it's cool to off
since last weekend, but it's still average like eighty five
to ninety degree days.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So water I think is a big factor right now. Yeah,
So what do you think.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Buck movement looks like going forward for like the next
week and we're looking at still more of that just
you know, not time movement waiting on some cooler camps.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Yeah, man, from what I'm seeing on camera, we're getting
a lot of nocturnal movement, a lot of bucks moving
that night. And you know, we don't we can't hunt
again until the end of September. But you know, if
you're in Kentucky or anywhere else that opens early, I
would I would definitely say water, try to try to
(29:23):
maybe get close to bedding, and.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, that's your best bet.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I think right now, what do you think the movement
is on a scale of one to ten for bucks.
Speaker 7 (29:35):
M probably probably around a five, I would say, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I would say it's.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Even lower during the day, maybe early morning hours, late evening.
They're still gonna move a little bit. But uh, you know,
like I said, movement on our cameras has been it's
definitely slowed down quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, I'll tell you a good cold front this time
of year and do a lot, But if you don't
get that, man, it's uh, it can be a tough
time of year, you know, so absolutely, you know, depending
on where you're at in the country and what hurricanes
are happening or whatever else. That's kind of the main
the main thing that can adjust your climate. And make
for a better hunt. So, uh, Chad, I appreciate your friendship.
(30:19):
I appreciate you doing this with us this week, and
hopefully we'll get you back on when the rut is
kicking or something like that.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Again, absolutely, boys, I appreciate it as always.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
All right, now on the phone, I've got Red Struggle.
He's been out in Kentucky doing a little hunting public land.
Got some private land stuff going to I guess in
the area. Man, what has been going on?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
How's it going, y'all? It's uh, it's hot, it's hot,
and uh, we're waiting on we're waiting on a card fronts.
That warm weather from down south has made it up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, we've been slipping around. Wait, we've been sending it
y'all's way all summer. I don't know why it hasn't left,
but you know, maybe it's just like you know, it's
like a fire man. You know. Once the hotter it gets,
the more you can feel it from distance, you know.
So that's what you are getting right now as from Yeah,
so you've you did some hunting this weekend in Kentucky? Man,
(31:24):
what was it like?
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Or so the opener partnered up with a buddy. We
decided for some reason to go a mile in on
public into a semi new area. We knew it from
turkey hunting, but uh, didn't have much luck. It's it's
it's been warm. So opener was on Saturday. Thursday, we
had a south wind roll in bringing warm weather. The
(31:51):
wind switched to an east Friday, which would have been
awesome to hunt, but Saturday it was hot south when
not much going on, real humid, you know, high of
in the mid eighties that day. Low in this you know,
mid sixties in the morning, which was nice, but it
wound up quick, so had no luck there and had deer.
(32:14):
We blew one out early. You know, this time of
year is so.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Tough on that morning hunt. So that's uh, it's.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Kind of what we ran into on the public.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, so what are you actually targeting? You you trying to
go in and find some food sources or are you
going to bed in areas?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Like why'd you go that far into the woods?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (32:30):
So the goal was actually on that area to get
close to private. There's a couple of ridgetops up there
and we had water just basically on the other side
of the ridge from us. So we're trying to get
them gone from the private seat. Hit some ag, hit
that water source, go to bed, and I think we
(32:51):
kind of bumped some out getting in there early because
that one frock came came in. But they're on the
acorn started dropping. They're not raining yet.
Speaker 10 (33:01):
I haven't found any you know hot real hot oaks,
one of those Warren Womac you know feed trees, but
we are looking for them because that's there.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
They're going to be on those acuns.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Here for sure. So you know, you as far as
like what your the patterns you're hunting right now and
what you're going to be going in hunting the future.
Is there going to be a change here like in
the next week as to what you're gonna be hunting
over or is it the same? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (33:30):
So similar On the private, things change a little bit.
We are allowed to have the mineral sites and feed
in Kentucky, So on my private I've got some feed
out and uh on my cameras. When we have those
north wind days, I've got my cameras lighting up quite
a bit. I actually went in hunted the haunted the
(33:52):
private the next day on a hard south wind and it.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was tough.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
It ended up kind of being the slack wind. There
was not much going on at all. Thermals were all.
It was just swirly.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was no good.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
You know, I saw a young bachelor group on the
way out. You know, they're still hanging around. But I've
got some deer and hardhorn already on camera, have some
in velvet. It seems the more mature bucks are starting
to split out of their bachelor groups. But my target
going forward is still gonna be based around ag and
(34:27):
trying to find a hot feed tree, because that's you know,
I think where those mature bucks are gonna be.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, man, that's sounds like an encouraging week coming up.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
So that's good.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
If you had to predict the buck movement on a
scale of one to ten for the upcoming week, what
would you give it.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Yeah, So Wednesday, I've got a nice thunderstorm afternoon coming.
It's gonna switch to a north wind. We're dropping down
into degrees. It's gonna get down to the seventies. We've
got some knots in the fifties coming up this weekend,
big north wind. So I think this upcoming weekend is
going to be killer Friday, Saturday, Sunday is gonna be
(35:08):
really good. I would say movement wise, it's gonna be
you know, probably like a six or seven. Just because
of that switch we're going from the south wind hot
it's gonna change. I think, really it's gonna be pretty good.
I got a high hope for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, for sure, Man, September cold fronts can be deadly. Man.
I think I've seen in the past where you know,
people have really done well on those things. So that's
that's a hopeful and optimistic prediction there, man. And I'm
very glad that you, uh you gave it to us.
I appreciate your time today read and uh, I hope
you have a killer week next week, man, of course.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
Appreciate y'all. Hopefully we'll get one on the get one
on the ground. I'm trying to kill my first year
with a traditional bow, all right, So we're we're we're
getting after any of them. They all better duck fast,
you know.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
But we are, we are.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
It should be good, so I appreciate it. Good providence,
young man. All right on the phone, now, I've got
Alex Comstock from Whitetail DNA. What's going on, man, how
much are you guys doing? Doing pretty good? It's a
it's a fairly cool day here. It might even be
hotter where you're at than it is here in Texas.
Today we've got some rain and a cool a little
cool front. So ninety three here, what are you looking at?
Speaker 11 (36:22):
Oh you might have us beat today. We're at eighty
eight right now. But it's cooler today than it's been
the last handful of days.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, well that's cool man. So with h with
the last few days being hot and then now a
colder day, what's what's the movement been like? Yeah, so
far it's been pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I'd give it.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
I don't know, like a's three out of ten, it's
been h. We've had quite a few guys in camp,
so you've been able to cover quite a few different areas,
and we're spread out from probably the furthest furthert people
away from each other, probably an hour and a half away,
Like we're covering ground. But we had one guy killed
last night, two people shot bucks, So I mean starting
(37:04):
to pick up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Which is nice.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's cool man.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So if you're hunting early season top patterns, does the
heat almost increase the efficiency on that, or would you
like to see the cooler weather come in.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
I mean, there's probably no world in which I prefer
one hundred degree temps. Yeah, I've taken the cooler temps
every day of the week. I mean, you know, it's funny.
Last year out here opening week, we had a huge
cold snap right at the beginning of season, and I
think it actually the movement kind of shut off. And
then this year we had a huge heat wave, and
(37:40):
I just wanted it to be consistent temperatures to keep
these bucks on their patterns. But I just can't seem
to catch your break with the weather, I guess.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
So, do you have anything that you feel like is
kind of patterned right now?
Speaker 9 (37:53):
You know, I've got one buck.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
I mean, there's a couple bucks that we've got daylighting
every so often. The one buck probably a three or
four year old ten pointer that's daylighted three of the
last four nights in the last hour, and so he's
also been there a bunch in the middle of the night.
And so I'm hoping with the cold front that's upcoming
(38:15):
in the next couple of days here that he shows
up and I can can lays an arrow throw them.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
What kind of pattern is he on?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
So he's coming out of a standing cornfield into the
edge of a of a bean field.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
With some oaks around, dropping a corns pretty much.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh that sounds picturesque, that does, man? That's that standing
corn is always tricky for me. Man, I don't. I
don't love being around it much because you have deer
that'll bet in it, and you have deer that'll feed
in it, and if there's a pivot there, they water
in it. So it can get real tricky sometimes to
figure out the movement patterns. You know, it's tough.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
I mean, I had a one of my top shooters
after the other day and it's right along the edge
of a standing cornfield, and I had one deer I
could just hear slowly moving through the corn and I
just had that gut feeling of this, but never got
to see what deer was, never shown himself.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
That hurts.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
So when you're in North Dakota, the days are pretty
long still this time of year. What time do you
have to leave your stand to go play a complete eighteen?
And then what time do you have to be back
in your stand for the evening?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Hunt? Well, we only did nine. Oh gotcha. There was
a little bit of seriousness that question.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's kind of funny that you're getting some golf, and
I appreciate that, but you know, in all seriousness, like
you don't want to go to the stand and just
sweat your tail off all day. What time are you
getting in there for an evening hunt?
Speaker 11 (39:33):
Yeah, we're not, like we're gonna leave today maybe four
four thirty. By the time we're in and setting ready
to rock, it's about five thirty and sunsets at like
eight fifteen. So it so we're getting I mean, most
of these deer, if they're hitting on camera in daylight,
it's typically in the last I mean, shoot fifteen to
twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We really don't have I mean.
Speaker 11 (39:54):
But in contrary, you know which kind of contradictions what
I'm saying, both guys at shot Bucks last night killed
or shot Bucks at like seven and seven fifteen, so
a full hour before sunset.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
So going forward with the weather change that just happened
or any other factors you may have, or are you
gonna focus on the same same patterns that have been
you've been seeing on cameras or in you're scouting or
are you gonna change things up.
Speaker 11 (40:22):
We're gonna stick with it and just essentially hope that
uh this you know we're going from. It was one
hundred and like two yesterday, whereas tomorrow the highs I
think sixty four. So we're just gonna hope that that
gets those deer up moving a little bit earlier and
kind of hunt the scene patterns essentially.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well that with that being said, if you're gonna rate
the Butt movie going forward this week from a scale
of one to ten, what would it be.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm gonna give her.
Speaker 9 (40:48):
I'm gonna give her a six.
Speaker 11 (40:50):
I'm gonna I'm trying to get I'm trying to get
over a five, and uh if it's a six, I'm
gonna be a happy campus.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Put it that way.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Nice dude.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, hey, I know that you have a lot of
history up there in North Dakota and you kind of
got it figured out. So I'm rooting for you. I
hope you have a really good hunt this evening. Man, Hey,
appreciate it. Hopefully I'm hoping the same thing.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Thanks for listening to the Retfresh Radio Report. You can
hear more up to date information from Casey and myself
on our podcast. It's called the Element Podcast if you're
not familiar with it. We also do a weekly update
on what's going on in our life, plus you know,
anything else that we want to visit, so case what
else we got.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
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in November. Day two of one week comes out this week,
so go check that out. We put a link in
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We really appreciate the support and.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
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