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you know, in the wake of Nani's victory, and really
in the wake of also kind of the the the
direction young Republicans are going, and just youth generally, the
kind of angst that seems to exist among young people,
among Generation Z as they call them. There seems to

(03:54):
be a huge amount of angst within this generation. We
constantly hear about an affordability crisis that they can't they
can't afford at home, they cannot afford, you know, groceries
are going up, everything costs more, and they have a
huge amount of student debt.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
And if you know.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
If you believe the stories, they are really really struggling
and they're convinced that they are really really struggling, and
they really really have it hard, and every generation before.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Them had it easier than they do.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And they are voting publicly, they're voting to shatter the
status quo that they feel has betrayed them. This is
also a remember generation that were teenagers and teenagers during COVID,
So COVID had a profound impact on their social life.
It had a profound impact maybe on how quickly they

(04:50):
kind of got rolling into life, and they were locked down,
they were isolated.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
At least some of them some of the time.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
So there's no question this is a generation that that
has been slapped on the side of the head by
by COVID and and by COVID restrictions in significant ways.
And I think I think a lot of that shapes
their attitude towards what's going on.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
We've talked about this before on you know, several times
on the show, that the reality is that, uh.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You know, they really feel like they're not doing well.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Their statistics that haven't really found a good source of
these statistics to this, but there you know, I've read
some statistics say many of them graduating college and not
finding jobs and the unemployed, so there's a huge unemployment rate,
although you know, unemployment rate in the economy generally is
quite low, and and they're just they just they just

(05:58):
feel like the opportunities are not there, the opportunities that
everybody else had are not there. And you know, the
number of intriguing issues around us. One is that if
you actually look at the data, there's no evidence of this.
I can't really find evidence of massive unemployment or unusual

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unemployment rates among college.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Graduates from this generation.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
If you look at income income, then this generation has
more income than any adjusted for inflation, adjusted for cost
of living, adjusted adjusted you know how we adjust for
inflation and cost of living in economics. But this generation

(06:50):
makes more money in income than any generation before it
at the age that they're at, so they're in their
twenties and in their twenties, no other generation made as
much money as they did. And you can adjust the
numbers and play around with it and change it, and

(07:10):
it doesn't change. I mean the gap that the amount
changes a little bit as you look at it from
different angles. But basically, as generation, when they have a job,
they make good income. You know, all of that is
adjusted for inflation, So the fact that everything is more
expensive is true. But even when taking account everything is

(07:34):
more expensive, they still make more money than any.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Other generation in their age.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
So partially it could be that they grew up with
expectations now Housing is an issue. Housing is an issue,
and over the last four years, the average age of
first time homeowner has gone up significantly from about thirty
two thirty three to thirty seven. And part of that

(08:01):
is a spike in home prices in some parts of
the country, and of course not everywhere. In place like Austin, Texas,
prices have come down over the last.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Year or more.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
But more than that, it really reflects the fact that
interst rates are high again high god interstates today. Mortgage
interestations today are lower than when I bought my first
house in nineteen ninety five I paid, I mean, my
mortgage was much interest rates was much higher than here

(08:34):
than what it is right now. So interestates are high
relative to what they were a few years ago, relative
to what they were in the twenteen's, relative to what
they remember, and people are convinced for some reason that
interest rates are going to come down in the future.

(08:55):
And as a consequence, I think people are waiting to
buy a house. They don't want to lock themselves in
and for now into a high interest rates, high monthly payments.
When interstrates might come down. Everybody says they're gonna come down.
Donald Trump promised that they would come down. So there's
a sentition why they're sitting and waiting for those interest

(09:16):
rates to come down.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So the fact that home ownership.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Age average age is spiked up over the last four years,
you know, we'll see if this is a blimp or
if this is a permanent change. It also has to
do with getting married later and a lot of other things.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
But it's it really, is it really?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
The phenomena of what they're saying does not appear in
the day now Now people say, well, but they have
a lot of student debt, and they do.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
They have a lot of student debt.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
They've but they've got good jobs and if you look
at their net worth, it's not worse than the net
worth of past generations. Now, I think student debt is
probably the biggest issue here, more than housing, even though
what almost everybody mentions is housing. What everybody names is

(10:13):
housing because housing is such a big deal and people
think it's so seriously and it's so important for people.
But I think at the end of the day, in
terms of actual cash flow and in terms of how
wealthy people feel, I think student debt is a huge
burden on gen Z and it makes them feel a

(10:33):
lot poorer than they really are. They can handle the
debt because they're making good money.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know. They also in terms of.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
In terms of wealth, they might feel like they're missing
out because the last few years have been so good
in the stock market, and people in the stock market
have done so well.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
It could be that a.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Lot of gen zs are looking at how much money uh, millennials,
but certainly Baby boomers are made on the stock market,
and they're going, well, we missed that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
We didn't get that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're not in a position to save a lot of
money right now at the beginning of life.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Nobody is, and they resent that.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
But there's one thing that's very very clear, and that
is there's real resentment.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
There's real angst, there is there is a.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Real challenge out there among young people. They really really
do think that.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
They're screwed now.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think this is also the first generation that's really
been brought up on climate change is going to kill us.
All the world's going to end. America's a horrible place.
So I think there's a certain level of pessimism that.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Is built into this, right, It's built into it.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Because of the way they've been raised, because of expectations
created about things are terrible, things are horrible. There's a
real pessimism and it so I you know, and then
w W when when they get into the workforce they see.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Baby doing bo was doing really really well, which they are.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
A A and for some reason there's resentment even though
again baby boomers when they were their age, same age
as gen z didn't do anywhere near as well, not
only in terms of income, but in terms of just
think about they lived in smaller houses. They they didn't
have iPhones, they didn't have computers, they didn't have the internet,
they didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Have flat screen TVs.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
They you know, they they didn't have a lot of
things that we just take for granted.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Today and and and gen zs just take for granted.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
And they see that that they see all the money
that boomers are made in the stock market. But there
is one other thing that really is an issue that
maybe maybe it's not at the surface yet, but as
we move into the future, as the next few decades,
is going to become more and.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
More of an issue.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
And that is maybe that the gen zs have some
realization of the fact that they over the next twenty years,
are going to be massively subsidizing baby boomers retirement. I mean,
we live in a very inn sense strange, strange world.

(13:34):
We massively subsidize old age. We redistribute more money towards
old age and towards poverty than towards any other thing. Indeed,
the greatest beneficiaries in quotation marks that put beneficiaries of
the welfare state in America at least are not the poor,

(13:55):
but the old, middle class, elderly people. I Y, you know,
so security, they get so security and now social Security
is their own money.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
They put it in.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Uh, but that money was spent a long time ago.
Right now, right now, when you draw social Security, you're
drawing it from the tax money that people younger than
you are paying in. There's just no other way around it.
That's the reality. Young people pay taxes cause they're working.
Old people who are retired withdraw that now. It's been

(14:28):
going on forever but the baby boom is such a
huge generation. It's gonna take a lot of Gen Zas
and millennials and whatever the next generation after Gen zs
are it's gonna they're gonna have to work really really
hard and be taxed really really high, and they're inheriting
a massive debt that they're gonna have to pay in
order to pay all the benefits. So security among them,

(14:49):
the baby boomers are taking out of the system. And
then I I you know, SoC security.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Is not as bad as as as Medicaire because Medicare.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Everybody paid very little into the system. Again, that money
was already spent. And now for every dollar somebody put
into Medicare in the film payroll taxes, they take out
anywhere between three and four much of that in the
final year six months of life, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
They spend huge amounts of money, and again.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That money is coming directly from their grandkids and the
great grandkids.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's coming directly.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
From younger generations who are still working and who are
paying into this system huge amounts of money that is
going to fund healthcare, socialized health care. By the way,
no wonder the younger generation is both left and right,
is sympathetic to the idea of socialism when they can

(15:53):
see that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Their money is going to pay.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
For socialize, money sent for their parents, really for their grandparents,
for their grandparents, So, you know, part of part of it,
I think the resnment, part of the frustration, part of
the angst that exists among young people today financially and economically.
It's not objectively about their status today and how much

(16:22):
money they make and the kind of jobs they have
and so on.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
But I think at some level they realize.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
That they have been They're the kind of maybe the
first generation who have inherited a massive amount of debt,
a debt that will only grow because they will you know,
they will continue to pay relatively high taxes. But those taxes,
even those taxes, are not going to be enough to

(16:49):
pay for all the benefits that not they but previous
generations have promised. The baby boomers, the baby boomers baby
promised it to themselves. I mean, the unfunded liabilities are
the federal governor well excess of one hundred trillion, So
maybe we have that right now in the books of
thirty seven trillion, growing at about one point eight trillion

(17:11):
a year. We've you know that one point eight trillion
adds up to over one hundred trillion dollars of unfunded
liabilities of Social Security, Medicare that is not coming in
from payroll taxes. That has to be paid from regular
taxes that young people are paying because they're the ones
working and older people are working less. So I think

(17:39):
I think young people should be worried about their future.
I think they should be worried about how they're gonna
pay for all this. And add to that, the economic
uncertainty is being created by artificial intelligence, by technology more broadly,
but artificial intelligence and robots.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And nobody really knows now.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You know, I very optimistic, and I've talked about this,
and I think other people are economists generally, you're pretty
optimistic that something like al will create more jobs than
it destroys.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
But we don't know exactly which jobs.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
We don't know what the time frame is, we don't
know how it's going to evolve, We don't know how
it's gonna play out.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
No economist does.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And I think a lot of young people are feeling
the angst of that kind of uncertainty. What is their
job going to look like in thirty years how are
they going to make money in thirty years, And they
better make a lot of money because they're gonna have
to pay a lot of taxes in order to fund
all the liabilities that their grandparents are spending.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And I think a lot of them think that they won't.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Get any of that, and you know, they probably are right,
although I remember being that age and also thinking there's
not going to be anything left in so security and
medicare for me. Now, luckily, economic growth and massive debts
have sustained Social Security and Medicaid, but you know, I

(19:09):
don't know where it goes. So I think there's real
reason for young people to be worried, in particular given
the fact that they get no leadership, they get no guidance.
Imagine a mature politician, a real politician, who actually engaged

(19:30):
with this and said, look, this is the reality, this
is the debt, and this is what has to happen.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
We're going to have to reform so security and medicare.
We'll take care of the people that.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Have no other option and that we promised to take
care of, but we're going to phase this out and
we're going to lower benefits. I mean, immediately, they should
be increasing the tirement age. It just doesn't make any
sense to you know, as people live longer and longer,
to keep their retirement age at the same place and

(20:02):
again force young people to subsidize old people's retirement. It's
just insane. At the very least, raise their time and age.
And I think they will. I don't think they have
any choice. And ultimately these programs need to be phased out.
Is the idea of crippling the youth with debt so

(20:25):
as to keep people alive a few more years, a
few more months, a few more days, or a few
more hours is curtain, ridiculous and morally, I think perverse.
But this is what happens, and this is the essence
of a mixed economy, because what happens. We can vote

(20:48):
other people's money away, we can incide how to allocate
other people's money. And you know, there's a majority that thinks,
so we're getting old, we want to be protected in
old age, so we're going to vote ourselves in all
these benefits.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And they do.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And you know, in the economy's doing well, and there's
plenty of young people and the baby boomers in the
peak earning years.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Then it seems great, it seems like, wow, this is
what a.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Deal financially, and then you get to the point where
they are now all retired.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
There's still a massive voting block. So you can't take
it away.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
From them, because if you take it away from them,
you had a power, they'll vote against you. This is
why I think Donald Trump was very clear that he
was taking Both parties are very clear not touching SOID security,
not touching medicate because we don't want to piss off
old people because they vote so and then you've got
a block of young people who are getting screwed. But

(21:51):
young people don't vote that much. Old people vote by
much higher proportion than young people. They're not that engaged.
They don't know what's going on. And by the time
they will be more engaged and know more about what's
going on, they'll be middle aged. And by then they'll
are paid into the system and they are going to
expect to get medicancier security and all the goodies later.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
On as well.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
So they have no incentive later on to voted out
because they paid into the system now, so they expect
to get it. And you can see how, you know,
once you make this democratic you know, who gets what
gets determined by who can muster the biggest majority, who
can play to the to the parts of more people,

(22:38):
to the pull the heart strings, who can appeal to
altruism more effectively more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
This I think is is is a real situation and
a real manifestation about of the mixed economy and a
m real manifestation of the welfare state. And I I
I think I think young people are legitimately struggling with.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
This I y. You know, they they I it.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Our economy is more regulated than it was twenty thirty
years ago. The the taxes maybe are not as h
not as high, but they're going to get higher. There's
no question about that, uh, because that the debt has
to be paid off. And if if they don't get higher,
then we get inflation either way. Either way, they're screwed.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And then.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
And they again they know it at some level, but
there's not enough of a voting block. There's not enough
people who will vote to make any changes. So change
is basically impossible. Change is basically impossible.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
To make change, to make real change, you need a
real philosophical ideological evolution. You need to really change people's minds.
But how do you do that when you've got a
population three hundred and fifty million people Most of 'em
are not engaged and certainly not engage at the level
of ideas, and they have no motivation and no st

(24:29):
have to change. So lone dissenter says so much for
your on trying to keep it lighted today. So we're
kind of stuck in the spiral. It might have to
collapse before it gets better. It might, I mean, you
just might have to go through a period of really

(24:50):
bad inflation or real bad like a great depression type thing,
where you need a kind of melid to come forward
and and really revamp everything, and where if you will,
people willing to be radical because they don't see an
out with the status quo. And I think that some

(25:13):
of these young people who are gravitating towards socialism on
the left and fascism on the right, and we'll get
to the fascism on the right in a minute. Some
of these people, if this is exactly what's happening, they
view the world as you know, they view the pass
generations and what they've been left with as a massive betrayal.

(25:36):
They think the system as it exist today is completely corrupt,
and in many respects their right. They think that the
economic game is rigged against them, and in many respects
they're right, and they want to blow it all up,
and they want to blow it all up in the
form of socialism, or they want to blow it up
all up in the form of fascism. But that explains why.

(25:57):
And many of them are nihilists. We'll talk about that
in a few minutes. I mean many, many, many of
them are just nihilistic, and that's ultimately what motivates them
or what drives them. So if we look at the election,
like in New York and.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Other places, it's driven by a real phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And I don't think it's driven by im you know,
a commitment of massive numbers of people to socialism. I
think it's driven by people giving up on the status quo,
giving up on this version of the mixed economy, giving
up on what's happening right now. And it's going to

(26:36):
be interesting to see where it goes from here. I
really don't know. I don't know how you navigate away
from where it is right now. So I mean they're creating,
they're creating disasters for themselves and for everybody else by
moving towards socialism and fascism.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
This is not solving anything.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's creating a lot of problems. Exactly how that plays out,
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Speaker 1 (28:02):
I mean, at some point, I'm sure we'll come back
to all the graphs about how.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Gen Z kind of based on.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
The numbers just appeal numbers, is doing quite well, but
is obviously struggling in other in other areas, and obviously
frustrated and angry, and and and you know, is interested
in in going in a completely different way, completely different direction, right, oh.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I One of the things to note about.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
This is that the other thing I must be frustrating
for gen zs and and maybe again the attraction of
Mamdani in New York is the fact that everybody around them,
who is in a position of political power in particular,
is getting old. I mean, Trump is seventy nine, seventy nine.

(29:05):
Biden was eighty eighty one, eighty two, and you could
tell how old he was. Trump is old, and you
can tell that he's old. Como is not a spring chicken.
If you look at Congress, the number of Congressmen who
are over the age of who are you know, over
the age of sixty five is a record highs has

(29:28):
never been anywhere close to this. I mean, if you
look at the Mitch McConnell, if you you know, you
just look across the boat, what's her name? Just retired Pelosi,
who's eighty something is old. I mean, these people they
get into Congress and they stay there and they never leave,
and they they don't have the I don't know, the

(29:52):
pride to leave at a peak, to leave when they're
still strong, leave when their mind is still working. They
all deterior read pathetically and have to be in a sense,
you know, wheeled out. And it's it really is. You
get the sense we're being This country is being run
by a geriatric worde of a hospital. And if you

(30:17):
look at Congress, it is I mean, the age, the
average age of Congress, the number of Congressmen who are
over the age of sixty five is astounding.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It is just astounding.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
And again I think that alienates young people to think
that these these old guys and gals I make decisions
for them, and these old guys and girls are making
decisions that seem to help other old people and not
help young people. And I think that's overwhelmingly true.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
All right, So.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
We've had a few weeks now I think of of
real real angst, real challenges, real struggle fighting on.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
The American right. You know, its started.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
The aftermath of Charlie Cooke's murder, with disagreements on how
to respond it then we saw the leaked text messages
from various young Republicans using anti Semitic, racist, anti women,
pro rape, just ugly language in the text messages, and

(31:35):
we talked about that, and of course, you know, Nick
Foyenttis has been in the background constantly. Some would argue
that Charlie Cooke was kind of a bulwark against Frantis
that kept fist marginalized.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I don't know if that's true, particularly given the direction
Charlie Cooke was going.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
But Frantis was that that the Fringes builduilding an audience,
building a huge, massive audience, and having massive influence on
young people. Tucker Causon has been drifting on the right
to wacky to craziness, and we saw that happening over time.
And then of course we got the Tucker Cawson interviewing

(32:20):
Nick Fouentis, which kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Blew up the right.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean, the disagreements among people on the right about this,
about what was going on about different factions of the right,
I mean was amazing, I mean, the extent of it
and how seriously it was taken. And then of course
Heritage came out and supporting Tucker. And then how to
attract it and all of that, and again people everywhere

(32:47):
taking sides, and Ben Shapiro coming out against all of them,
but Ben Shapiro being marginalized, and of course in the
background of.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
All of this, in the background of all.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
This, there was a real, if you will, philosophical maybe
philosophicals to giving them too much credit, but a real
ideological struggle going on on the right. They are they
kind of traditional historical his his, you know, historical conservatives.
They're Buckley Conservatives, if you will, the conservatives of the

(33:18):
Reagan Conservatives.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
There's that, if.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You will, wing of the Republican Party, many of whom
feel alienated from the Republican Party because of Trump and
who rejected Trump, and many of whom you know, hate
Maga and and they're kind of but they have become
a marginal force. They are. They're not many of them.
They don't have any real institutional backing. Maybe the American

(33:45):
Enterprise Institute. I don't know enough, but certainly people at
the American Enterprise Institute are part of this. And then
there's the Dispatch, and then there's a few other places
where they are, but they're clearly on the outside looking
in to what is really going on within the Republican Party,
within the Republican movement, there are these various intellectual, ideological,

(34:10):
emotional kind of trends movements happening. You've got Mega, which
is not particularly intellectual. It is a combination of conspiracy theories,
a combination of adoration of individual Donald Trump and those
intersects sometimes and there's sometimes opposition, so they.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Sometimes Trump shapes them.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Sometimes they shape Mega or Mega shapes Trump, but generally
Trump Mega that is kind of one side, not very ideological,
willing to go any direction.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Trump wants to go. Motivated more than anything.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
As we've talked about many, many times, by anger, frustration.
Now these in megas, at least historically more old people frustration, anger, resentment,
and a lot of xenophobian racism. But you know, they
often keep the xenophobian racism under control. And what you know,

(35:12):
they they don't actually use necessarily xenophobic of racist language.
They blame the immigrants, and they always blame illegal immigrants,
even though they hit all immigrants, it's illegal immigrants and
and and they always culched in ways that gives them
an escape valve from.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
The accusation of racism.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Although their attacks on Indians in particular have been pretty brutal,
pretty ugly, and pretty clearly racist without you know, and
they've not hidden that. But it's not intellectual, it's anti intellectual.
It's a negation of any ideas. It's basically driven by

(35:53):
the emotion of fear hate, you know, it's driving them.
And it's a very very tribal, very tribal movement on
the intellectual side. The well, okay, so that's MEGA, and
then you've got what's called Goroiper's right, this is the

(36:15):
Nick Foytist people.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
And these are people.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Who are, if you will, meg on steroids again, anti intellectual,
no ideas, really no ideas. This movement is purely nihilistic.
MAGA is borderline nihilistic. Groupers are completely nihilistic. They want
to see the world burn. They're very similar to antif
on the left. They're very similar to the far left.

(36:40):
They want to see the world burn, they want to destroy.
They very much unequippedly resent boomers and millennials and previous
generations and they hate them, and they resenttal authority and
they resent expertise. How big the movement is hard to
a UNIQ for interests has a million followers, but it's

(37:02):
hard to tell how many people. But it's young people.
Whether it survives past their mid twenties, I don't know
if there are any people older than that, but it
seems that there are.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well, actually they are, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
But this is an explicitly racist, explicitly sexist, explicitly antisemitic,
you know, explicitly hateful movement, and you know, it is growing.
It has energy, it's exciting, and it has a clear
leader nique for interest, who drives them, who motivates them,

(37:38):
incentivizes them, and even a lot of them will not
agree with.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Everything he says. They love him.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
He's funny, at least they think he's funny. He you know,
he drives them through whole through kind of a thick, cynical,
sarcastic humor. I mean, he's the ultimate cynic and it
plays directly to their fears and to their hate.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Fear and hate and anger. Those are the three emotions
that drive all of this. Whops, what has happened about? Connected? Okay,
let me know.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
If there's any disconnects. Looks like the chat came back on.
Let's see, all right, And of course you know they
take what Maga says about immigrants, and they're not chy
about insulting them. They're not chy about talking about they
color skin. They're not chy about being out and out

(38:36):
unequivocal explicit racists. And then there are people within the
Republican movement who are trying to be more intellectual about
all of this. They agree with Maga and Fuentes in
a sense that the current regime, the current way of

(38:58):
which things are running in in America, is unsustainable, that
the left is completely out of control. The left controls
the institutions, it's dictated the institutions, and something needs to change,
and something needs.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
To be done. That is dramatic.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
These people, like Mega and Ferantis. I should note both
Megan and Frantis consider themselves very much Christian right. Christianity
is the only ideology ideology that you can identify, because
otherwise they're anti intellectual, so they associate themselves with Christianity.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
These more intellectuals are very much committed.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
To a Christianity as theology as ideas as a driving
force for their ideology. These are the new American conservative
intellectuals who are fed up with the modern state, the
fed up with the modern world, I think it's corrupt.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
They think it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
They hate the sexual revolution, they hate modernity, they hate technology,
and you know, they hate change. This is what called
the divine right of stagnation. They want they want things
the way they used to be. But they're intellectual about it,
if you can call it intellectual. These are people who

(40:23):
sit at heritage and sit it. There's other organization that
I'll talk about in a minute called the ISI, that
Intercollegiate Studies Institute. They're the people who lead the integralist movement,
the Christian integralist movement, which is a Catholic movement that
believes in believes there should be no suparation of church
and state and that the state should basically impose morality

(40:45):
in all of us.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
One second, one second, guess.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh yeah, thank you, thank you. Alright. I thought I
thought they were coming to complain about the noise.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Instead they brought me chocolates, uh, which is nice to tell,
uh recognizing my status.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
This brought me chocolates anyway. So these are integraligs. We've
talked about integralists.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
There's Patrick Danin and and uh p uh the mule,
the common Good Conservatives. These are people who wanna turn
upside down the the the founding of America and turn
it into a a Christian uh, collectivist, a common good
enterprise UH. And the thing they hate the most, and
this is this is important. The thing they hate the most,

(41:59):
the thing they despise the most.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Is individualism.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
They reject individualism through and through they view individualism they
associated with the left, associate with the subjectivism relativism, and
it's the one thing they despise.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Anyway. They are kind of in the background, and they are.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
The intellectuals trying to build an intellectual framework for whatever's
coming next.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And they call themselves it's.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Them the Christian Conservatives and the National Conservatives tend to
be the more intellectuals, and they call themselves the post liberals.
They consider the existing order a liberal order, liberal in
the sense of liberty, liberal in a sense of individualism,
liberal in the sense of classical liberal, and.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
They're the post liberal order. They love Putin.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
They particularly love Aubon in Hungary because he hasn't started
a war, but they admire Putin and they admire Uban.
These are leaders who declare themselves Christian leaders. These are
leaders who are strong. These are leaders who don't let
things like the legislature or the courts stop them. They
reshape the courts, they reshaped the legislature. They these are

(43:12):
leaders who have crushed independent media and made the media
subservient to their agenda. Uh So they love That's the
kind of leaders they want. That's the kind of leaders
they would love Trump to be. They are huge supporters
of Trump because he gets them close to that. But
but they would like JD events, JD events as they
candidate because he is he is uh and and has

(43:34):
been Fiver has been, you know for the last year
or two, because he is both smart, intellectual who believes
in this ideas and uh and and and it's kind
like them. He's much more intellectual. Trump is nothing. Trump
is doesn't believe in anything j Evans believes, and they
support him. So that's kind of the I think some

(43:56):
of the map, I mean, there's a lot more we
can say about this, but to some of the map
in the background.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Anyway, there's a crisis now around.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Within conservative the conservative entities about two things. One is
the goypers and Maga kind of taking over and young
people being attracted to anti Semitism, and what do you
do about that, and of course Corculson being a central
figure within the conservative movement, and how do we deal
with the Kaculson given that he is both an anti

(44:28):
Semite and giving platforming these really really horrible people. And
then but there's also a child a problem of the institutions,
the think tanks being taken over by these post liberals.
I think it's clear that heritage is already being taken
over by them, and the the the old kind of

(44:53):
conservatives or the people who still held on to kind
of the ideas of the founding for the of conservative
but individualistic of free markets. Those people are all leaving
and don't have a home. And now it's hit this
other entity called the ISI, the Institute god ISI Intercollegiate

(45:20):
Studies Institute. Now i SI has always been more religiously conservative, always,
but it's an organization founded by William Buckley. Funnily enough,
I think originally it was called something like the Individualist Institute,
and Buckley changed the name because he opposed any institute

(45:42):
having individualism in the name.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
In the title, this is William F. Buckley.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
But they consider themselves old style conservatives, very religious, but
believe in the founding principles. Believe in the Founding Fathers,
believe in the Constitution, the Declaration Independence, believe in free markets,
believe in the institutions of government as they exist today.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
They're not post liberal anyway. Today a number of.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Board members of ISI resigned and issued a letter announced,
you know, open letter.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
To the conservative movement.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
It's called It's titled and I'm going to read you
parts of it because I think it's indicative of this
ongoing battle, which I think is going to be won
by the post liberals. I don't think there's any question
about that. And then the question is, and the Republican
Party is going to become, at least intellectually and in

(46:38):
terms of activism, much more racist, anti Semitic, nationalist, and statist.
The one thing they're all have in common is they're
all statists, he says.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
This is the letter.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
The battle for the hearts and soul of the American
conservative movement is being fought on many fronts, with the
latest trench warfare occurring in the boardrooms of its long
style and most influential foundations and think tanks. The recent
controversy at Heritage points to how conservatives venerable institutions have
been infiltrated and quietly taken over by a tight knit,

(47:13):
fringe group of post liberal thinkers who believe America has
been off the reels since the founding. Since the founding,
in their minds, the Declaration and Constitution must take a
back seat to usher in a new post democratic, post
capitalist economic system that advocates isolationism, an immigration ban, and

(47:36):
a domestic policy that blurs distinctions between church and state.
While often described as Maga a populist, this group is
more tightly aligned to the philosophy of media crank Tuckerkausen
than President Trump's agenda.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
This is in trying to set up to Trump.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I think, as a longtime board member and lead of ISI,
the oldest conservative campus organization and America foundered in nineteen
fifty three by William F. Buckley, we have fought to
preserve IO sized longstanding mission from falling victim to a
post liberal hijacking. That battle was lost at a board
meeting held last Friday, at the conclusion of which we

(48:15):
tended our resignation.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
He goes on. He goes on to talk about the infighting.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
We don't need to talk about that, but he writes
I Sizelogi abandoned it's on campus philosophical programming, which equipped
future leaders to better uphold American ideals. Instead, it focuses
on ideological and political podcasts that introduced audiences to ult
right online personalities such as Tucker Colson and others who
seek to undermine the liberal ideas of.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
The American founding.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
The foundational shift in IIZE Focus was done behind the
boards back its new signal program. The podcast Project Cosmos
was dropped on x formerly Twitter on August nineteenth, featuring
post liberal icon Patrick Deneen. We've talked about Patrick Denein
many times from that Catholic.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
University in the middle of the country.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It comes to me a new reaction mayby Courtis Yovin.
Now Curtis Yovin. I haven't really done a whole show
on Curtis Yovin, but you know, Curtis Yovin believes America
should be a monarchy.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
He is is.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Is a real hater of capitalism, is a real hater
of America, of the American system of government. Again, he
believes in kings that I guess there there's a mechanism
to get rid of them. But you know, he has
a whole thing. He's really really popular in Silicon Valley.
But he's clearly a post modernist. He clearly post liberal.
He clearly hates the founding, the founding of America, the

(49:56):
individualism of America.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I mean, and this is what, this is what.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
For example, he wrote, if Americans want to change their government,
they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia. Say,
it's quite open to a dictatorship. I mean, this sky
is a real I mean a real piece of work.
Not And he's huge in Silicon Valley. He's very influential,

(50:22):
people like Andreas and teel and and and others within
the valley. Anyway, Curtis Yuvn is not involved. But here's
I I a very conservative in the negative sense, a
very religious organization that you would think would be right

(50:45):
in line with the changes in the conservative movement. No,
it's it's shifted. It shifted now, it's shifting to adapt
to the new world.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Let me read a few other things.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yauvin thissu Is Kurtis Yovin is a self described new reactionary,
unapologetic monarchist and the leader of the Dark Enlightenment movement
who advocates for rebooting and replacing liberal democracy. He writes, Yeah,
that's what I just read you. The one about the
phobia also said, although I am not a white nationalist,
I'm not exactly allergic to the stuff. Rather than peeling

(51:28):
away disaffected young males who flocked to noxious ideas of
Fuentas and yavin Isis, Project Cosmos fawns over their anti
liberal philosophies. They appear to be successful in appealing to
Yauvin Fuentes calls an echo chamber, as Project Cosmos.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Reported that the video.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
The video garnered six million views on CTS six million,
with a skewing of more than ninety percent male. What
is unclear is how many women and other traditional ISI
students professional alumni donors are turned off by ISI's celebration
of the odious and Unamerican ideas espoused by Yorvin, Frantis

(52:07):
and Carlson. Traditionally, iiz's mission was to teach American ideals
to curious students and college campuses. The mission of helping
students search for truth is now replaced by the post
liberals lust for political power. In Washington, the Heritage Foundation
and Hillsdale College are not the only pillars of modern
conservative movement to subsidizetc Network Tucker Coulson's network. Caulson was

(52:34):
the headline of ISI's gala two years ago, and this
year one of its three seventy five thousand annual fellowships
went to the Tucker Calson Network. So everybody subsidizing Techer
Caulson Tech COSTU is wreaking millions off of all these
conservative foundations supporting him. What happened at Heritage and II

(52:58):
in recent weeks underscores how I cadre of post Liberals
has worked together behind the scenes to rest control of
conservative institutions from actual conservatives. They have quietly filled boardrooms
with post liberals, integralists, and other fellow travelers who disdain
traditional conservative central tenants of free markets, limited government, individual liberty,
and personal responsibility. If only those were the real tenants

(53:21):
of conservatism, if only they were grounded on a proper philosophy,
maybe they wouldn't be so easily undermined by these not cases. Continue,
these usurpers of conservatism, as Yavin puts it, find America's
core principles to be historically leftists and prevent the right
from defeating the left, both philosophically and at the ballot box.

(53:43):
The leaders of the postliberal project continue to be close
friends with Carson Jovin and the ILK to be opened,
to be opened to discussion with the likes of Phuenas
and other racists and anti Semites, and to praise autocrats
like Hungary's Victor Auburn and Carson even law the social valuers,
the values of I.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Don't know if you saw this, Carlson.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Also even laws and social values of Venezuela's dictator, Nicholas
Maduval which he did.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
He said, though it is not that bad. He's socially conservative.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
The echo Yovins called to overcome the fear of dictatorship
and relinquished respect for representative government and the checks and
balances of the founding established that the founders established traditional conservatives,
believe in America's founding principles, and look back at the
Reagan Revolution as a step in the right direction. Need
to wake up and understand the battle currently underway. Heritage's
founder and longtime ISI chairman Edward Folner sit preciently warned

(54:42):
in the final article he penned in the National Affairs
before his death in this pasture life quote. An existential
identity crisis now grips the American right. A political movement
once united by commitment to limited government, moral order, and
robust defense of America's ideals, now appears fractured, its purpose
clouded by populist grievances and ideological drift. He ends with,

(55:09):
we hope all conservatives will choose to fight on the
side of William Buckley and give no corner to those
preaching white supremacy, anti semitism, eugenics, and bigotry.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Now what's truly astounding here is William F.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Buckley was not exactly a champion, and the conservative movement
has never been a true champion of limited government, founding principles, capitalism,
free markets, and suddenly not individualism. It's just that the

(55:42):
new Conservatives, these new right people, make the old conservative
look like free marketeers, look like founding fathers, look like
really good guys.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I mean, I am you.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Know I'm quoting here in and he's rallying people to
William F.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Buckley. But William F.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Buckley, for me, is the enemy. But these people are
so much worse than word narm F. Buckley, The Denians,
the Aarvins, the Calsons, the Fuentas, and I think it's
important for us to understand that without William F. Buckley
and his compromising, his sellout, and his religiosity, and his
inability to ground the principles of the founding on reason.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It is William F.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Buckley there's responsible for the creation of the Avins and
the and the Denians, and the Vermules and the Foyintas
and the Calsons and all these all this garbage.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
It's the old Conservatives failure.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
To actually establish an American philosophy that is responsible for
where we are today.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So I thought that was really interesting.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Another institution, conservative institution, falling, if you will, for the
post to the post Liberals, uh and making a public statement, And.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
That was interesting.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Then today I also read also published I think it
was today yesterday yesterday it was published yesterday. Another article
and I know we're going to go long. I thought
this would be light and quick and short, and it's
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Speaker 1 (57:44):
Wait a minute, Kim, Wait, we got a little bit
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Speaker 2 (57:51):
All right.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
No, we're doing good, all right. Yeah, Well we're behind,
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to get to our first hour goal.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
First hour goal. All right, So there's another essay publish today.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
An essay is by a guy named Ron Dreher, who
I think I've talked about in the past.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Ron is rod Rod, not Ron R. D. Rod is.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
A supporter of the Integralist movement. He is a friend
of Benin's. He is a writer. He's an intellectual. He's
written a lot. He's being involved in Republican politics for many, many,
many years, and at some point he got disgusted by
the United States and the state of the country, and

(59:01):
he moved. He moved too hungry. Aubon is a hero
to him and a friend, and he gets a significant support,
I think from the Oban government. He is a fellow
at a think tank funded by the Hungarian government to
promote post liberal ideology, and so he lives in Hungary

(59:21):
and travels to the United States and traveled to the
United States last week to hang out with Aubon when
he was here visiting with Trump and with Rod's Rod's
friend and somebody he's very friendly with, which is JD.
Vance And it turns out they all hang out in

(59:44):
They hung out in JD Vance's house last week and
Rod was there and he writes about this, and he
writes about talking to Jdvans about Nick.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Four interest and everything.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And he hung out Victor Oban and they had fun
and they drank and they ate and time and anyway. So,
but while he was here, he talked to a lot
of people in Washington. Dcs kind of get a sense
of how bad are things, how bad is the situation
or what is going on? And of course he views right.

(01:00:14):
He's an integolist. He's among the intellectuals and so he
thinks anti Semitism is horrible. Even though Patrick Deneen and
a lot of these guys right are very friendly to
people like Tucker Carlson and very friendly to young people
who are very anti Semitic, they consider themselves above they're

(01:00:35):
better than that. So while he's a nationalist and anti
Fundie Fathers, an anti liberal, a post liberal, and ultimately
kind of moving towards authoritarianism, he considers himself an intellectual
and Nick Foyenttis has kind of scum over there, a
really really negative.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Bad force.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So you want to see how bad the Nick Foyentis
phenomena was. And so he went around Washington talking to
his various conservative friends, and he has friends in very
high places, obviously JD.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Vance being one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Anyway, he he says here that you know, one DC
inside had told him then in his evaluation, between thirty
to forty percent of Zuomas of generations Z I guess
who work in official Republican Washington are fans of Nick Flantis.
And he says that from all the kind of people

(01:01:29):
he talked to, that seems to absolutely trip that people
confirm that over and over again. At least thirty to
forty percent of kind of young Republicans in Washington, d
C on Nick floyints fans, and then he goes on
to write and this is this is somewhat funny, but
listen to this one. He writes, quote, if you think

(01:01:54):
being a Christian is some kind of vaccination against anti Semitism,
I had to read that to because, as I talked
about my shown anti Semitism, being Christian is like, yeah,
Christianity kind of invented it and made it what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
A right one second, guys, yeah, I'm coming. Thank you
won't leave me alone at this hotel? All right? More chocolates,
more water.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Then Christianity is at the core of what it means
to be anteresting me. Anyway, if you think Christians being
Christian is some kind of eccination of anti Semitism, you're wrong,
he says. Even young Christians, especially trad Catholics, trad Catholics,
I learned a neck deep in anti Semitism. They even

(01:02:52):
use it as a litmus test of who can and
can join their informal social groups.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
He says. Not every dec zoom con who identifies with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Frantis agrees with everything he says or the way he
says it. What they like most of all is his
rage and his willingness to violate taboos. I asked one
a student Zooma, what the groupers actually wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
He said, you know, what are their demands? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
He said, they don't have any They just want to
tear everything down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So, you know, even the more intellectual.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Parts of this this ult right fall right movement, recognize
that there are significant elements within the movement that are
just nihilistic, just nihilistic, you know, and they gave you know,
these Zoomers are telling him how it's hard to buy

(01:03:53):
a house, and all the economic problems we talked about before,
and all the economic problems that cause people to vote
for Mom Donnie, this is why they're going. They can't
buy homes, they can't afford this. They don't see a career,
they don't see a future. And they grew up in
a culture in a country that lost its common culture.
Many of these young men, he claims again, a father,
the fatherless, and then the police the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Speech.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Because they grew up at a time of woke, this
speech was policed and they were discriminated against for being
white Christian heterosexuals, and the reaction to that is f
that Frentis is a living, breathing illustration of you know,

(01:04:42):
people willing to revel in transgression, to dare down the
pillars of civilization, as he writes, just for the fun
of seeing those who had been gate kept away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
You know, being being destroyed. Uh ah, a quote Samo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
After the most insightful of these conversations, I thought that
if you really want to know what's going on among
the leading edge of the political activist young right, you
would do better to read Dostoevsky's Demons, which more about
nihilism than any conservative magazine. And if I were writing
a new uh no, let's get to that. It says

(01:05:24):
I talked to one's uh Magazuma, a policy wonk who
is a person of color. He has beside himself with
frustration over the rise of uh gropism in his circles. Right,
this is a Maga who is upset by the gopers
and within the party.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Uh this is the young guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
These idiots don't understand that they can't win an election
on white only platform. The delusion of there are a
lot of immigrants and native born members of ethnic groups
who are natural Republicans and whom Donald Trump won in
twenty twenty four. Take Indians for example. If you think
they're going to stick with a movement whose leader for
ENTUS announces Usha Vance as a jeet, you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
But that's how they think, he says.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Well, they do want to burn it all down, I
was told, and I came away with the feeling that
they are only.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Tenuously dedicated to democratic politics. I would say, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Rod only tenuously dedicated to democratic policies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Give me a break.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I told one very smart and decent zoomcon who despises
the anti Semitic turn in a circle, that I've been
hearing the fascism, actual ideological fascism, not the media's idea
of anyone to the right of Lindsay Graham, is gaining
traction among young white British males, he said, innocently, So

(01:06:47):
what's wrong with fascism? Heim entered, not in a challenging way,
but in a way that conveyed the sense of we
have to think about this now. We talked about how,
you know, disintegration of our culture is accelerating, disintegration from
dim right is accelerating, and liberal democracy seems impotent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
To stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
He went on to explain that if he had to
choose between living and the left wing authoritarianism or right
wing or the right wing version, he wouldn't It wouldn't
be much of a choice. He'd go over the right,
you know. So let me emphasize. He says that my

(01:07:31):
intercolture was not cheering for fascism. As our conversation went on,
I heard real despair and well informed despair. The democracy
is going to hold in the West because the conditions
that make for a viable democracy is disappearing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I tell you it was dark.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
But I kept hearing this over and over and over again,
and I conclude that it cannot be dismissed. The inability
of us older people boomers, Ex's and older millennials to
comprehend the world through the eyes of zoomers as a
big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Another strong theme.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
While it's important to take clear stand against anti semitism
in the ranks, there's no way to gate keep our
way out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
You cannot simply point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
At the zoom and say thou shalt not and expect
it to work. The problems are too deep and complex,
and anyway they have learned to have no respect for authority.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Why should they you know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
And then he talks about the betrayal of the institutions.
He says, I could go on, boy could I? But
you get the idea trust in the system is gone. Hell,
I share most of these conclusions myself. Yeah, maybe you're
responsible for the ideas that these kids have now taken

(01:08:45):
to their logical conclusion. The difference is that I'm not
a nihilist. I don't want to tear it all down,
but rather form it. There are no historical examples in
which tearing it all down produced a better, more just
more functional order. The Zoomers don't seem to have any
knowledge of history, know do they care about it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Let's see, He continues.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I still don't have the answer, but I at least
came away from Washington convinced that the ash of anti
Semitism and the young Rye is much deeper than I
had guessed. A couple of people, both of whom reject
anti Semitism, spoke plainly about how a lot of this
is reaction to how Jewish organizations like the ADL has
police speech critical of Israel and of anything to do

(01:09:37):
with Jews. So heavily over the decades that they have
caused intense resentment among gentiles zumoclons. One man told me
that for as long as he has been in politics,
any criticism of Israel got you tagged as an anti Semite,
and that was a potential career killer. So his generation
has come to hate that and to cease caring about
the opinions of Jews. And you know, he goes, he

(01:10:03):
goes on and on. You know, I'll just read this
and an old defend another despise of anti Semitism said
that we have to find a way to talk about
the reality of Jewish influence on American life for good
and ill I took him to mean basically, this Jews
really up disproportionally powerful in America American life, and they're

(01:10:26):
not shy about using that power to advance their own
interests and the interest of other groups. They favor the
taboo against noticing that and talking about that. What that
means is gone with the Zuomers. If you want to
fight anti Semitism, we have to face this seriously. Of course, again,
notice how it's all collectivistic, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
All the Jews influencing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
The Jews have an agenda now granted, the other side
has their own. So, I mean, this is a long
ans I'm not going to read much of it. But
let me see. I mean, he writes, but see, the

(01:11:11):
Jews are not the real problem, right, Come on here
in Europe. It's not Jews that make public life in
so many European cities unbearable. In fact, they were the
first ones to experience a special pleasure of Islami harassment
and persecution, an experience.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
That is now far more general. There where the canaries
in the coal mine they so often are. So here's
his conclusions. He's got many the gouidbut thing is real.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
It's not a fringe movement in that it really has
infiltrated young conservative Washington network to significant degree. Irrational hatred
of Jews and other races, but especially Jews, is a
central core of this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
This is evil.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
If post liberal conservatism requires making peace with anti Semitism
and race hatred, count me out. Now, remember he's a
post liberal conservative. It cannot be negotiated with because it
doesn't have traditional demands.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
It wants to burn the whole system down. It really does.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
At the same time, the gatekeepers on the right aren't
going to be able to make it go away because
they have less power than ever. Dealing with this is
going to request great skill and subtlety and courage. That
this malign movement didn't just appear out of nowhere. They
are within it legitimate grievances, and as I keep saying,

(01:12:33):
it emerged in a culture that, per Hannah Arends diagnosis,
is prying to believe to tualitarian things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
The left got there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
First, which is what I said a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
This is not the case of what about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
For about two decades, left doing radicals have marched through
the institutions and imposed illiberal race based leftist policies and
openly intended to discriminate against whites's males and everyone who dissent.
You cannot understand the rights of God without understanding of
this first. Conservatives like me had hoped that Trump's antiwok
pushback would simply restore the meritocratic status quo. It turns

(01:13:09):
out the zoom cons don't want that. They want revenge.
This has the potential to destroy conservatism politically. It actually,
in actual existing America white nationalist party that demonizes non
whites who would otherwise be drawn to conservative message.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Will alienate those voters.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Even if all whites voted for the White Nationalist Party,
it still wouldn't win. And then he says it all
supposes the risk of wrecking the new post Maga conservatism
whose natural errors Jade Vans his friend. There will be
an old school normies, conservatives like Senator Ted Kruz. He's

(01:13:51):
a normy who will do their best to hang fantis
and jewe hatred around JD.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Vance's neck.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
There are enough living boomers and normal Republicans who would
rather vote for sub optimal candidates like Cruz than take
their chances with the candidate who fail or not has
been tarred with the evil of antisemitism and race hated
vi for interest and costs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
And they're really trying to save JD. Vans here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Antisemitism spending like a virus among religious conservatives in the
Zoo generation. Uh. And he goes on and on and on.
It's a long say. I encourage you to read it,
but read it from the perspective of this guy created
the problem. He's not the solution. He really is the problem.

(01:14:42):
You know, these are the people who intellectually who advocate for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
A post liberal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Order for getting rid of in a sense, all kind
of system of government in the United States, for increasing
executive power, so getting rid of independent media, for having
the courts bow to the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Authority of the president.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
These are the people who love aubam And what's happening
is they're looking and they're saying, Oh, whoops, maybe we're
in too far. Maybe the implication of what we did,
the young kids are not getting it or not getting
what we intended.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I think the young kids are getting it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Anyway, this this is the right right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
This is the right right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
It's not a small minority within it right, It's not
some marginal peace Isi heritage. At the heart of the
conservative movement, Tucker Carson is not a fringe character on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
The Side show.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
He is at the really heart of America, of the
American politics today. Again, this is all a consequence of
of of Trump, of Trump's victory. Trump has made, you know,
these kind of people. He's made them, He's made them legit.

(01:16:19):
He's legitimized the racist, anti Samites. He's legitimized to the nationalists,
the Christian conservatives, the religionists, even though he's probably none
of those things. He has legitimized all of those is
and is authoritarian way about him has legitimized the post

(01:16:43):
liberal the whole post liberal agenda. All right, so stronetic,
you don't keep you posted in terms of where we
are with all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
I know I'm doing a lot of shows on the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I'm doing a lot of shows on the stuff because
I think it's really really important.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
It's going to shape the future.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I think, as I've told you, I think enemies on
the right are ultimately more powerful than enemies on the left.
Although I spend a lot of time on the enemies
of the left. I'm debating a socialist on Thursday. Uh
And but I do think the real threat is going
to come from the right to America and to America
and what it is for the reasons that I think you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Just heard and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
You know this is I think this is really really scary,
and I think this is right now dominating should dominate
the news. And what surprises me is how little the
mainstream media is focusing on this when they should be
focusing on the more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
It's a great opportunity for the for the left.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Not that I'm trying to promote the left, but it's
a great opportunity for the left to show how ridiculous
the right is, and they seem not to really be engaging,
partially because look to their left are the anti Semites?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
All right? Just as a funny.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Conclusion to this, I thought that it was really appropriate
that yesterday Tucker calls and put out a video of
an interview that he did with a guy named Dane
Wiggington Wigton.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
I don't know what his name is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Who kiss basically where the guy went through for well
over an hour. Why uh mosquito or something?

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Why chim trails?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Kim trails are real? You know, the stuff that comes
out of when you look up in the sky and
you see a jet passing and there's a trail of
kind of white stuff behind him right that, it turns out,
is not what we always thought it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Was, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
You know, which is basically crystal and water vapor that
is that is, its basically a cloud made of crystal
water vapor that form when the hot, humid or exhaust
from the jet engine mixes with the really really cold
air in high altitudes, you get these clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
They're just clouds, that's all they are. Anyway, it turns
out they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
It turns out that they're actually chemicals that the US
government or somebody, maybe it's the Jews, are sprinkling out
into the atmosphere to poison us, to change.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
The weather to who knows what. We don't know. We
don't know. But this is this is the government.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
The government, this is real, This is the governor's influence
is trying to try to trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Force us to breathe the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I mean, they're taking florid out of the water, and
they're introducing stuff into the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Air that we are going to be breathing and so on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
And this is all done with the knowledge of the
US government, and of course part of it is to
change the weather, the actual weather. Of course, Tuck also
says in the interview, he says that the US government
has confirmed the existence of camp trails.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
There's no such thing. The government has never confirmed this.
This is all bs. It is dumbined in a conspiracy issue.
It's so stupid, it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
It is you know, I get it that Marjorie Taylor
Green believes in Jews with lasers and camp trails, but
that corek Causon, I guess nothing is beyond Techer Carson.
Now this is what he dedicates a whole show, an
hour of his show, a whole show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
To this, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
So do we see clouds to change the weather show.
We've been doing it since the nineteen fifties. It's local,
and you do it on existing clouds. You don't see,
you don't. You don't need kimptrails for that. You see
them anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
It's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
There's really no reason to talk about it other than
to point out that this is what Taker costs and
chose to dedicate a whole hour, whole.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Hour of a show. So, I don't know. I've been
trying to discredit Tucker Calson.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
For you know, a few years now, really making an
effort to show you how absolutely pathetic and what an evil, lying,
horrible person he is, how you should not support him
or not watch the show. I'm obviously not have any
impact because his show is still big, but I keep

(01:21:52):
doing it because he has such influence and people still
Now I think I'm going to stop, particularly with Tucker,
because I think at this point, if you haven't got
it yet on Tarker Cosson, nothing I say is going
to change your mind. I am still wired about the right,
and we will still be commenting on the right, both
it's intellectual brands to post liberal integralists and the National

(01:22:13):
Conservatives and the Christian Conservatives. And the point is, like gropers,
to the extent that they gain more power, we'll talk
about them. This is of course being big news. Certainly
since Charlie Cook got murdered. There is in a sense
a battle going on right now within side on the right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
What it stands for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Charlie Cook kind of bridged all these gaps. He had
a foot in all these different worlds. There's no body
like that in existence. Also, remember, part of this battle
that's going on in the right is a part of
the battle for the nomination in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
It's part of the we can all rally around JD.
Vans or not. So there's a lot going on politically
in the background around this. But this is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
What the right is doing to itself right now is
really dominating I think the news and it makes sense
all right, that is I don't know if that was
the news, but that that is your own book version
of the news for this Tuesday, November eleventh, So thanks guys,

(01:23:27):
all right, I'm going to just jump in today to
the Q and A. I'll remind you to do a
Patreon and to support me a monthly, although it remind
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Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
I've got a lot of five and ten and two
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Stickers. You can do any amount. Bob, Yeah, you did
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Thank you, Alan, Thank you, Dahlene, thank you for a deem.
Thank you, Bonnie, thank you. You know we've got well
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Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
But I really appreciate it. Value for value. You listen
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I assume by your behavior, the fact that you listen,
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trade by doing a sticker and showing appreciation. All right,
let's jump in with not your average algorithm. This is
what the young are celebrating today. I'm not worried about

(01:24:51):
the political consequences. I'm wired about the inability to think.
They feel something is wrong and so they'll choose anything
to replace it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
I think that's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
I think what you have today, and I've said this
over and over again for kind of years now, what
you've got today is a group of young people who emote.
They've learned how to emote. They've learned the emotions are
what's valuable. They don't know how to think, and therefore
guides them as emotion. And they don't like the status quo,

(01:25:25):
and they're willing to do what they can to just
reject the status quo. And they'll reject it, sometimes by
voting for socialist doc Mumdani, and sometimes by voting for
you know, Trump, or something much worse than Trump, which
is to come in the future, or just watching and
celebrating and laughing and having a good time with with.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Nick Foyantis, which.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I can't think of anybody more ugly right now, right Mark,
do you I think the show focuses too much on
the extreme irrationality of people like say Tucker Calson. I
thgree it's important to understand the culture, but only in
order to advance a vision of the good if we're

(01:26:13):
interested in reaching the best people, and everyone with a
semblance of aspect for reason already knows that cas in
Canada zone are well, what do we gain from spending
so much time on them? If Gault said never think
of pain or danger enemies a moment longer than is

(01:26:34):
necessary to fight them, are you really following that principle
and not unintentionally inflating the importance of evil?

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
So I don't know who is we right? So this
show does what this show does.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
It's a show that comments on the state of politics
and the state of the culture.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
I've promised to do a new show to tell you
about what.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Is happening in the news and the culture, and like
it or not, Taker Calson and Canada, so at least
on the right define much of what is happening in
the culture and what is happening in our world out there.
In terms of that, I find it interesting that there
are lots of shows on the right in particularly that

(01:27:16):
spend lots on lots of time digging out every little
detail of everything wrong with the left and every little
cultural phenomena that happens on the left.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
So I don't do quite as much of that because
I think it's being.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Done by and I think the people who do it,
you know, pretty good at it. There are plenty of
people who are constantly hopping and constantly going.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
After the left, and I think it's important to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
I focus more on the right because I think it's
more interesting, and I think that the bigg a danger
and I think that nobody really does it. I mean,
the left does it to the right, but the left
is so incompetent and the left is so irrational that
they don't do a good job of it. So my
show is dedicated to exposing the rationality of the right

(01:28:03):
and also the state of the culture. Right, what is
going on in the culture all in the context of
and I try to do this, what is right that
is capitalism, freedom, liberty, the funding principles of this country,
egoism and individualism. And you know, it's a new show,

(01:28:27):
and this is the news other you know, the Rain
Institute spends a lot more time, almost all this time
on educational programs to teach the positives, to teach, you know,
the positive philosophy of how to live a life and
what a proper society looks like and so on. So
I think we all have our in a division related

(01:28:49):
society own focus, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
One of the reasons I focus on all the negatives
here is so you don't have to so you can
live your life. I tell you, don't listen to the news,
don't get you use some other places, because just come
to the come to the show, and hopefully you get
it in doses that are you know, going to do
less time consuming and and and not going to do

(01:29:14):
as much damage as if you had to follow the
news and newspapers and and watch the news.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Hopefully that works for you, guys, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I mean, that's that you guys have to tell me,
and that that gives you the time to study positive
ideas and and and and and and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Work towards those.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I try to include positive topics and try to talk
about positive things, and try to talk about the positive philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
The wall guiding interspersed in this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
If you watched my show, I did on Saturday, where
I talked about uh for intess and all this stuff,
and I talked about what should be done. There was
a lot of positive in there. But yeah, you know,
I get it, and and I get the fact that
some people might find this too much and too much
focus on this. I don't blame you. And right now

(01:30:09):
it's in the news. I don't expect to be talking
much about it other than if it comes back. I
think what's happening right now is his stolic. Well, let
me say this again, what's happening right now is the stoic.
I think this is kind of the moment where the
right reveals its true nature, and it's true nature that
it's going to guide it into the next few decades.

(01:30:32):
So I've been warning about this for ten years. I've
been talking about it for ten years, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Actually becoming a reality now Again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
The institutions are shifting towards this postliberal future. They're embracing
the Tucker Cousins and Nick for intansis, and they're embracing
the ultimately in irrational ideas like anti Semitism. I think
the more we know that, the more we understand it.
Maybe next time when there's an election, I won't have

(01:31:05):
to argue quite as I won't have to be as convincing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
No, that's not what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
I won't have to spend as much time in convincing
you that candidate X is no good because you now
have the background, you now know what the right is,
and maybe maybe there'll be more and more people who
who who are ready to vote them out. And in
terms of I agree with you that rational people are

(01:31:36):
get that something's wrong with Tucker Calson. They don't always
get what's wrong with him. Also that he's a little
little whacky, in a little crazy, and usually up until
the last week or so, I dealt that Taco Calson is, like,
here's the joke.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
He is the latest crazy thing Taco cass In Candaicell.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
And did because there's no there's no point and seriously
addressing what he does, because he's so e rap, you know,
but he is somebody that still attracts an audience of
a million people, or over a million people. Somebody shows
to much more than a million people. He's still somebody
that is obviously hugely expected on the right. And you

(01:32:15):
can't just ignore a cultural force, a cultural force like heres.
What we need to do is keep pointing out how
irrational it is, not so that you are not attracted
to it, but that I'm hoping that you repeat it,
and that just builds into a kind of a cultural movement.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Ultimately that is anti.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
The kind of emotionalism and the kind of subjectivism and
the kind of irrationality.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
That Tucker calls represents.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
It's just a quite possible market that you write spend
two inch Timelin All right, Liam says, have you been
to the cow Hollow area of San Francisco by Lucas Studios?
Just a beautiful, just beautiful travesty. Is such a gorgeous
city is run by a destructive leftist? Yes, I mean
it's this is one of the three most beautiful cities

(01:33:10):
in the world. I think this Real, De Genniro and
Cape Town maybe the three most beautiful cities in the
world in terms of geographical layout and the bridge and
the bay and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
San Francisco has many, many, many beautiful places. I don't
know the Cowholow. I mean one of the beautiful places
is the old Pasidio where I thought Lucas Studios was
the old Pastidio. Maybe it's the same place. But there's
so many beautiful places in San Francisco. I used to
we used to come here often and and and just
marvel at the at the at the beauty of the place.

(01:33:45):
And there are lots of different places you can go
up high and see a great view. I've got a
decent view here from my hotel, but this is some
of the most beautiful views anyway. So yeah, the fact
that this city and now in New York have all
have been run by leftists and now New York by a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Socialist is just.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
It gives you a sense of the state of the world,
the the you know, the conflict between the makers and
the takers, the productive in the moochas. I mean, this
is one of the most productive places of planet Earth,
San Francisco, which where the AIU revolution is happening, and

(01:34:27):
yet you've got a whole class of people who just
mooch off of it, just mooch off of it. Hyper
cannabal will out adaption adaptation into authoritarianism be subtle but
constant until nothing is recognizable, I think so. I think

(01:34:50):
it's not gonna be all at once. I think it's
gonna be a slow force. It's already happened. I mean,
the amount of stuff we tolerate from Trump, and we
tolerate it from Obama, and we tolerate from Biden, but
even more so on steroids from Trump, I think is
unimaginable to just a few generations back. So yeah, I
think it's a slow creep.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
We just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
It's a boiling frog. It's just we slowly and will
wake one up one day.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
And we live.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Basically in authoritarian state. It's what happened to Hungary. To
some extent, it happened like that. So Russia, Michael says,
Mom Downey could make it worse than what it could
in the nineteen seventies because now capital is mobile. In
the seventies, you couldn't work remotely in New York City,
loses a million people, state revenue will collapse. I don't

(01:35:39):
think New York City's gonna lose a million people. Remote
work is over stated. I mean, basically, for example, New
York banks require everybody to come into the office. Most
big corporations now require people in the office. Remote work
is gone, at least as the kind of phenomenon we
thought it would become a post COVID, we were wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
I was wrong. I thought, yeah, people are never going
back to the office.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
JPMO could Chase just built this magnificence, this huge skyscrapers
in Midtown Manhattan for the new offices, and they're expecting
everybody to come to work in the office.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
I thought that would be dead. It didn't die. So
I don't know how mobile law that is.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Is jpmogul Chase willing to give up that beautiful new
building and move to another city. That won't be easy
for them, and it won't happen quickly. And I think
that's true across the board. The people leaving New York
will happen, but it won't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
In the kind of numbers that you're suggesting not to have.
A y'all go with them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Well in New York City and San Francisco become ghost
towns over the next decade.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
No, San Francis is booming right now.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
It's back to pre COVID. It still has a homeless problem,
but there are lots of people here. It's dynamic. The
new restaurants are opening, hotel prices.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Are way up. There was a period where you could.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Come to San Francisco and really start a really nice
hotel for really cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
That's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
The conference business here in Malconi Center, which is right
across from my hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Is booming.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
San Francisco is far from dead or even a ghost.
It's completely It's rebounded from COVID in a way that
I don't think many people expect it. And much of
that is Ai and then the mayor who's not a
radical leftist and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Who's cleaning it up a little bit. And I think
the same thing will be two of New York Nachavi Jagorithm.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
The free market movement has done such a lousy job
in inspiring significant numbers of young people. Gen Z thinks
being an optimistic visionary means being a democratic socialist, yes,
and the alternative is to be either a nihilist of
the left and right democratic socialist. They pretend they're at
least for progress and for growth, and the yes in

(01:38:00):
my backyard, and they've got positive agenda. But the you
know what, what, I think a lot of young people
in going democratic socialist style, and and Mam Donnie had
this positive vision and he had energy and youth. You know,
it's much better than kind of the nihilism of the
left and the right, and the anger and the constant anger.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
And I mean Mamdanni put on a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Robert says, have you seen any of c I A
torture whistleblower John kick Cow's work. No, I find it
tough to see through through insights from a CI officers
experience versus the perpetuating conspiracy theories.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
I have not seen his work, so I don't know. Sorry, Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Do you prefer south southern California to northern California? Yeah,
the way there's just a little bit better, but there's
no question, and in terms of living it's easier. But
in terms of beauty, there's nothing like northern California, San
Francisco up into Napa and Sonoma and the redwood forests.
I mean, Northern California is just gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Kim.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I'm doing my MBA and it's unfortunate how some of
my classes are so anti capitalism, business and reason.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
I mean, even when I was got my MBA in
the late nineteen eighties, it was anti capitalist and anti
business and anti reason.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
It was hollow. So even back then, and I'm sure
it's worse now, So sorry, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Staked my class on capitalism, my class on finance at
the Pedison Academy to kind of straight, you know, to
give you kind of the I don't know the right
perspective on many of these topics, Kim. Given that politics
is guided so much by emotion and mob mentality, how

(01:40:00):
are we supposed to appeal to reason with these sheep?

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
I mean, people, it's hot.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
It's why we're not growing, not growing dramatically. It's why
we're not having huge successes. Because how do you appeal
to How do you convince sheep of reason? You know,
we do our best and we try.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
All you have is reason. There's nothing else. There's no
secret sauce, there's no other mechanism cult.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
What sends me is how young men in my age
group have abandoned individual rights. I'm one of the few
who remains. I've seen them change in real time. I
think that's right. I mean, they've abandoned individualism. More broadly,
they've any respect of the individual. They become they've joined
the tribe. They become collectivists through and through. Crypto fanatic

(01:40:56):
Hassan Pika said the Soviet Union should have won the war. Yeah,
I saw that he's also now in in Tenement Square,
posing with mounts at you know, portraits of mounts at
Tung and doing stuff in China right now. I saw
some stuff where he's filming over there. Sunpiker is the
equivalent of Nick Foyintis on the left.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
I mean, he is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
A nihilist without a question. He's a nihilist, much more
so than, you know, than many of the of the
kind of democratic socialist. He's not even a democratic socialists.
He's just a hater and a destroyer. He is an
out and out nihilist. There's nothing to be gained there,

(01:41:39):
just like Fentis, and needs an anti sentment, just like
for Intis. But the far left and the far right
are the same, and people will flip between the two
because there's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
So much the same.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
And you know, the Nazis gained a lot of members
in the thirties in the nineteen thirties from the Communist Party.
A lot of Communists became Nazis because it's the same
or very similar. Lincoln says, Part one my biggest worry
about a potential upcoming recession is that gen Z really
hasn't experienced a bad economy, and yet they are very radical.

(01:42:15):
If gen Z under a relatively good economy, are embracing
Hamas and Nick Foytis, I don't even want to imagine
what they do in a bad economy. Yeah, I mean,
it's hard to tell how they respond to a bad economy,
and it depends how the bad economy manifests itself and
what it's blamed on. But yeah, things could get very ugly,
given that we've got young people, not just gen Z's millennials,

(01:42:40):
and then intellectuals who are completely corrupt, and then political
leaders like Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
It's very hard to tell what exactly is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
If we get a significant economy downtown, which looks likely
and likely of it. I've stopped predicting them because I'm
so bad at it. Will Trump plays a permanent US
military base in Gaza? Is this preferable to you and
doing it? I actually don't think he will. In the end,
he'll put some kind of military base there, but I

(01:43:10):
think these Raelis will discourage it. They don't want an
American military base there, so I don't think it will
be permanent. The UN's not going to do it for sure,
and Israel wouldn't let them know, you need someway to
house this international military force that's going to go into
Gaza and monitor the ceasefire and HMAS supposedly and all

(01:43:30):
this stuff. And I guess building a temporary military base
on the Israel side of Gaza makes sense for that
purpose maybe, But I don't think it's going to be
more than that, And I think it's way too early.
I think the talks are still pretty early inters of
what all of that looks like. And Hamas shows no
indication that they're actually willing to dissolve. We will see,

(01:43:55):
Kim says, really excited for your debate tomorrow. Are you
coming to my debate tomorrow in here in San Francis,
that'd be cool tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
I'm wearing a tie, a tie they've acquired it. To
come to the debate tomorrow, you have to wait a
suit and a tie. So I'm wearing a suit and tie.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
That happens once, maybe twice a year. This year happened
twice because of the day Cambridge debate. At what time tomorrow?
I'm wiving a time, not a black tie, a tie.
Lincoln finally making about one hundred dollars per article writing
for a center right college website. Glad I can finally
start supporting YBS regularly. Thank you, Lincoln, really appreciate that.

(01:44:32):
And congratulations, that's terrific news, getting the word out there,
doing reasons work, not God's work, but reasons work.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Excellent, Dave, what if the people have always been.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
This emotional and it was the gatekeeper class that kept
things from getting out of control?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Look at Father Coughlin for example.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah, I mean I think that's definitely possible. So in
that sense, it goes back to what Iran said, which
basically intellectual shape the culture because most people in the
culture emotional and they just follow the leader. And if
the leader is good, then good things happen. If the
leader is bad, bad things happen. And the important leadership
is not political leadership. The important leadership is intellectual leadership.

(01:45:19):
And that's what we.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Need and that's what we're trying to do. All right, guys,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
I'm gonna call it a night and I will see
you all, not Wednesday or Thursday, maybe Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Maybe we'll do a show Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
And yeah, I think there's some truth to maybe we
need to take a break from some of this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Nick Foy in this and Techer calls in.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
As long as there's no breaking news, we won't talk
about that on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
We'll find other things to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
The funny thing is when I talk about economics, When
I talk about economic things that are going on, can't
raise any money, Oh, Lincoln says. Lincoln says, this is
a small thank you for the finance course at Peterson Academy.
I got the chance to be a part of filming
much better than the current finance course I take it
to University of Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I'm really, really glad you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
And yeah, I'm hoping that I can do some more
Peterson Academy courses in the future and that you're can
attend them live too. All right, guys, I will see
you Friday and Sunday, and if not Friday, then suddenly Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Bye, everybody,

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