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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What did I watch last night?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Oh, I finished Jewish matchmaking last night, and I previously
had finished Indian matchmaking prior to that, which is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, I made the mistake of looking up Jewish matchmaking
like follow up to see how effective Oh no, the
matchmaker was. I don't want to ruin it for anybody,
but it's fascinating. It's really fascinating just to sort of
see the process and how some people like in that
particular religion or in that faith, like some people will
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date I don't know all the terminology and never touch
each other. They don't touch each other at all, no hug,
no handshake, nothing. The first time they'll ever physically touches
at their wedding.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh maybe super Orthodox or something.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Maybe I don't know, but there'd be all the different
traditions and then you know, within Judaism, like it has
to be this kind of Jewish person.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And I know I sound very ignorant.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't mean to, but I don't understand it all
and they don't really explain all of it. But I
was fascinated it, like how you can be Jewish, but
you have to be this kind of you or from
this area same with Indian matchmaking. It'll be like I
need I want to marry somebody who's from this part
of India or very very very specific the alignment of
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your values and stuff. It was interesting, though. The girl
from Scottsdale is hot. She's young, she was really young.
There's a girl from Scottsdale that was trying to match
up with a guy in Tel Aviv. At the end,
they were kind of they were hot couple.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, really they break up.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I don't know, of course, I know. I looked it up,
you know I did.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Did you slid and say I'll convert baby?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No? No, she's twenty three. At some point I say
enough is enough. I think twenty five is my. Well
that's true. Yeah, she live in her great, greatest life. No,
I think twenty five is my. But that's that's enough
about me. I will say, though, dating on television is
bs because like some of these dates, these people knew
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instantly that they didn't want to be there. But there's
television cameras everywhere and they're on a TV show. So
I think that they're friendlier. I think that they're kinder
than they probably would be in real life. Some of
these people would never have. They wouldn't have ever gone
out with each other ever. So I don't really I
wish I really knew what people thought when you're on
these things. I mean the Bachelor, you kind of know
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sort of, but nobody wants to go home on the
Bachelor either. I don't think when you're on the Bachelor,
I don't think anyone's really willing to admit that the
guy or the girl is not what they actually wanted,
you know what I mean. I think once you get
in that house, you're just determined to not go home. Yeah,
and that's why these relationships don't work out, because it's like, well,
it's that's something you wouldn't have none. You wouldn't have
necessarily chosen that person when you got cast to be
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on the Bachelor, when you put your application in two
seasons ago, you know. And some people will be like,
I went on for you.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I knew it was you.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Sometimes they tell them in the auditions like who the
Bachelor Bachelorette is?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, you're right, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But other times I'm like, no, you walked in the
house and you saw a bunch of other d bags,
and you're like, no, these guys aren't these guys aren't
better than me, no way, absolutely not, and then you
wind up with someone who you didn't mean to be
with and then doesn't work anyway I recommend. But then
I started watching Obama Rush documentary on HBO, and I
don't know how far I can get into it. It's
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it's it's difficult to watch.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
In what way?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well, because you loved the TikTok, Yeah, you're all about it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, I'm a Bama rush TikTok. Oh, I'm a Bama
rush TikTok guy through and through. Oh, no question about it.
Day yeah, the ot day. Well, and I went to
a Southern college, so it just it's so reminiscent of
what I remember. It's just just it's exactly what I remember,
the intensity, the this, the seriousness of it. But the
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part that's hard for me is I've only watched the
first like fifteen minutes, and it's hearing eighteen year olds
talk about how like they're they're asking these young and
they're eighteen years old, you're kid right like, and they're saying, well,
why do you want to be in a sorority? And
like a lot of these women, these young girls are
saying basically that they won't find themselves unless they get
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into the right sorority, or like they won't have an
identity unless or they won't have friends, or or like
I need to get into sorority so I so that
people will love me unconditionally. And it's like, no, no, no,
it's all conditional. It's this whole documentary is about conditions.
Oh that is sad, you know, but that's what I'm
saying is I'm watching the first part of this and
these girls are like, well, you know, I no one's
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ever accepted me for me, but I know when I
get in a sorority, I'll be accepted whole you know.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Holy It's like, no, you won't, No, you won't. That's
this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's a it's a a peeing contest, the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, the Southern sororities are wild. And then don't did
girls that you're called, say ring by Spring.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like they wanted to be engaged like by the time
they left college.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And see oh the mrs degree.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, and like even wearing sun dress is to tailgate.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Like I'm just it's foreign to me.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I'm like, I kind of word and look, I met
some really great people I mean people I'm still friends
with today being in a fraternity for twenty minutes. I
was in a fraternity for twenty minutes one year, but
basically twenty minutes. I'm not dissing the entire institution, but
I think in this particular case, Alabama Rush for example,
like a lot of the other ones, have become so
overly publicized that it's like, yeah, I think it loses
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the intention, the intent in some ways because people are
just they just become fixated on getting into the most
popular house and not getting into the houses that are
quote unquote less desirable. And then is that really the
is that really the idea? You know, because like my
mom had a great experience in her sorority, and my
sister doesn't didn't want to be in that sorority because
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it wasn't that it wasn't cool, but oh it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But you know how if you've been in a if
you've been at a college with greek life, then you
know how quickly, like my fraternity was okay when I
was there, then it got bad, then it got really good,
and then they got kicked off and not even there anymore.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I mean, like you know, my grandfather was in
a fraternity that was awesome at I guess Iowa, but
it wasn't awesome a lot of other you know. I mean,
it's like it's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But your sister didn't.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Your sister got into Kapa without even trying, didn't. She
She pretty.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Basically said, I don't want anything to do with this.
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I'm like Amanda because I went to the Southern
Methodist and she did too, and we had deferred rush.
So it was second semester. Oh, and the purpose freshman year,
second semester. It was a week before school started for
men and women, and the premise was you were supposed
to like get to know everybody first semester, and essentially
they called it dirty rush where they were like recruiting
without you weren't supposed to be recruiting, so that you
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kind of knew what house you wanted to be in,
boy or girl. You knew what house you wanted to
be in before you went back after Christmas break. And
so she didn't do any of that because she hated it,
didn't like any of it. So she didn't do any
of that, Like, didn't make any of those contacts and
then she's like, I'm not even gonna go back for rush.
I'm like, man to go back for rush, just try
and she gets there call me every night. I hate this.
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This is so dumb. I skipped five houses today. I
didn't even go to this house. I don't like it,
you know, And I understood that she's like a free spirit,
you know. She doesn't want to me. She doesn't want
to like you know, I don't know. She doesn't want
to subscribe to all this. And she saw what it was,
which was really a fashion show. And I mean you'll
see on this documentary there are rush Greek rush consultants.
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Parents are hiring people to consult their children on how
to get through and get into specific houses.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's where we're at. That is not the point.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Some of my sister's friends parents were hitting me up,
like could you write a letter for your I'm like, ladies, like,
we got to relax.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is not a big deal. I'm not writing letters
for all your kids.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
My mom writes letters all the time. She's right out.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, he even wants me to write her a letter.
I'm not going to write it for her friends.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
She went to a different house than you did, right, yeah, yeah,
but that's.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
The point, like that maybe that house was better for her,
and then your house is better for you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
She's happy, But like people don't think of it that way.
They think, I want to get into whatever it is,
DG or whatever the house family is you want to
be in because it's the best one.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
My sister was like, I'm done, I want to do this,
and then she calls me the Saturday morning. They call
it what do they call it? The pig run? It's
the dog run. Well, because because you get your bids.
The fraternities get their bids on Fridays and then walk
to the house that we got into. The girls got
their Saturday morning and then they physically run from the
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arena to the house that they got into. That's why
they call it. And then the guys who just got
into fraternities, who've been up all night, you know, partying
because we got into a house, then we go stand
along the street and watch them run to their houses.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay, the second they made me run, i'd be like,
all right, I'm not going to do this now.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This is Southern Greek life. I mean, it's crazy. Anyway,
she calls me Saturday morning. Yeah, Ima Kappa, which is
the best house, was the best house at SMU by
a mile. And I'm like, how I mean there were
girls I'm not embellishing. When I was there, there were
girls that didn't get into Kappa or Theda or Pi Fi.
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Literally their parents were that morning after they didn't get
the bid, moving them out of the dorm and taking
them home. Oh wow, because they didn't get into the house.
They wanted to be end or the Legacy House or whatever.
And here was my sister with no recommendation, no care
in the world. And then then she I think she
got kicked out at some point. I love ohause she
stopped like she didn't want to live in the house game.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
We're like, we're not doing this.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah. She was just like whatever, I'm over, this is
dumb you No.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I didn't quit, but we all band together and said, listen,
if you want our money, because you have to pay,
we're not going to do We're not going to live
in the house two years. We're not going to go
to these meetings. I'm not going to do rush. And
they were like, oh, So we kind of found each
other and then we're like no, but I didn't quit.
But I just was like, this is I knew it
was like dumb when I.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Was doing it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
So what was the reason for doing it? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Like, what made you say this is the life that
I'm choosing.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Because you know, well it's not, by the way, it's
not at all like it is in the South. So
I want to make that very clear. I would not
have done any of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But I went to a college in the state that
I grew up, and I I wanted to meet new people,
and I thought, why not.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Just try it. If I don't like it, I can stop.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
And all my friends that I have now, every single
one of them makes up for one is from that experience.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So I am so grateful.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah work great for us too, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It worked out.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
But like it's all about who's in your pledge class,
because then the year after us, it like wasn't a
great pledge class and girls didn't have a good experience.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
So I just got really lucky.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And also like with classes, like people in your house
will help you with classes because they had the class
before you. It's really good on your resume. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, see, where I went to college, you had
you almost had to do it because everything social. It
was a smaller southern college, so everything social surrounded you know,
it was it was encompassed for the Greek life. So
you kind of had to You were either you either
Greek or you weren't, and weren't wasn't great. Really it
was great. It probably was better, actually, but I didn't
know that at the time. But the thing is, the
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year that I did it, there were like fifteen of
us that were all friends from the dorm, and this
fraternity was kind of okay, and they went and targeted
like two big groups of friends. They were like some
jocks and then there were there was and so there's
thirty guys they went after, and so I wound up
joining the house that all my friends went to, not
necessarily the house I thought I wanted to be in,
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which was the point, right, Like the point was to
join the guys that you liked and that you vibe
with or whatever. So it worked out for me, But
you're right. Then the next year we had a bad
pledge class and then I dropped out.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Oh wow, did you guys have like like these bird
calls or whatever? They would be like or they start
like yelling stuff out.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
They'll be like third up. I don't know what that
was the yard now.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I think our bird call was we have beer and
then people would come in.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah nobody, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Those are chance that they do are almost like they
almost seem like a cult.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And they do a dance and oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah in Costa Rica over the weekend and he had
all his boys do this whole dance.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yes, yeah, I could do it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
We didn't do that. They also do that though, domember.
Any of the chances for rush that you had to.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Do, we didn't really do a lot of that corner
stuff like it was very different, like from what you guys.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Are, Like, I'm not a cheerer like that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You join us to your.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know, like Blake, what is it called a sothority?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
But I didn't have a gp A high enough.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
So I asked how to stay back.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
But it's fine, you could have joined mine. I created
my own mob. Yeah that's right, Yeah, you could you
could join today.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Are we in the mob?
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well it's a small fee, so if you want to go, yah.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
She doesn't have to pay, right, Oh got the strap?
So we need her. Well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
There's there's my rundown on southern fratern of these sororities.
Thanks thanks Caitlin for your reporting on that