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Speaker 1 (00:00):
About Yeah, better than tell me about.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
These are the radio blogs on the Fred Show life
running in our diaries, except we say them a loud
We call them blogs.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kiki. Yes, I can relate to this, go dear blog.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
So recently I've been helping a friend try to figure
out like a new career path and like find a
new job and what they're passionate about.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
If my friend you mean you know, oh no, no, no, no, no,
this is this? Is it? Honey?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
After this is I think I'm just supposed to be
me like in life, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Saying, Like, I do just think that after this is
back to KFC. No no, no, no, no, there is no KFC.
Is this or unemployed? Because it's either this for me
or back to Blockbuster.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And since Blockbuster doesn't exist anymore, you're.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Going to be in Van Orgon. Where is it?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Ask you?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The only one? Yeah, yeah, this is it for me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But so on this journey, though, I just thought of
the times where I was kind of like, you know, guys,
I was very scared to do this job for a
long time, and so I would have jobs and I
just wasn't happy, you with, But at that time I
was applying for jobs that I probably had no business
applying for, like out here trying to be like a
(01:09):
dental assistant. Or there was this one time where I
actually applied to be a program director in this building.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Way to run the entire radio station. Honestly, it probably
would have been a great idea. You probably are more
qualified than you said. No, No, no, selling knives. Yeah,
I try to invest in yourself, kicking knives, investing you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If you don't want to invest in yourself, then.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
One thing for sure, Like I just I don't know
if anybody else has had this experience where you applied
for a job you are absolutely not qualified for, like
you have No, I had no experience.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I had no It's just I was an intern, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How can I be go from being an intern to
a program director? And I really applied for that job,
and I know they saw my application because I was
an employee here like I was working here, so I
know they saw the application, and I just wonder, like
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
They left, did they give you a courtesy interview? No,
that would have been funny, Like sure, why not?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I was waiting by the phone literally for that job
that I had no business applying for. But you know,
have you ever been in like a desperate situation where
you just like started playing for stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I've done this for so long that I don't this
is all I've really ever done.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I've been desperate in like reaching out to people because
you know, like I wanted to be in this industry,
and I, like my mom thought it was very much
like you know, corporate America, Like you send a resume
and you get a job whatever, but it's like you
obviously need to get your foot in the door somehow.
So I've been a little chaotic with like dming people
and like LinkedIn and email and like calling people and
they're just like chill, you know, but I wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
To do it relax, you mean for here, Like that's
how That's how it is. Like when you try to
get on the radio, you got to put together air checks,
you know what I'm saying, right, And the air checks
were like you're you're editing the cramp out of the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I line a lot. You've all heard the story before.
I line a lot. I lied my way all the
way to getting on the radio, And you know, I
guess when you get to this point then you can
tell people because it worked out, and I guess if
it doesn't work out, then you got caught in your line.
Oh well, but like I know a lot of people
in this business fake it till you make it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, don't ever tell anyone you don't.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Know how to do something, because you can, especially now
you can close the door and get on YouTube and
you can figure it out. Yeah, because it's better that
I don't. I don't mean to encourage people to lie,
but it's better that than say I don't know how
to do that and not get the job when you
could teach yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Hi, day, I got here right, Oh no, we knew you.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Guys knew Okay, well yeah Bob Barker hired you. Everyone
knows that. And then yeah, I made way down here, and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To some extent I did do that, Like I got
in the digital department and kind of like YouTube my
way through that and it worked out. But like to
think that I had the balls to just apply for
a total leadership position, it's so wild to me. And
I've seen the memes where people are like, I need
a chill out because I got an interview tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
To be like a lawyer, you know, you don't even
have a law degree.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But people could just apply for stuff, and I was
definitely one of those people.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I got to apply for stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, And I encourage people to apply, I mean, apply
to be whatever and see what happened. I mean, I
guess if you're applying, if you're trying to get a
job at a company, and you're applying for jobs that
are like high level executive jobs that you maybe aren't
qualified for, then they may not think you're you're being serious.
I'm sure like hiring recruiters and stuff listening now, No
would have comments on this, but like, don't apply to
be the CEO, you know, of Apple with me? If
(04:37):
you just want to be if you want to get
from the door in the retail store, they're probably gonna
take you seriously.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
But I mean, hey, it worked out for.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You, it did. I was really trying to be the
CEO of this radio station.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I got my first full time job in Austin. You
should have you probably they probably should have hired you
by the though. No, And I was there for like
two years and I decided I should be. I was
way too big for it, and I wasn't that was
too big. I was just too ambitious. Was nowhere near
good enough, and so I started hitting up like La
New York, Chicago, and believe it or not, the people
(05:08):
running the stations in these markets, not Chicago. Chicago was actually,
believe it or not, Chicago was extremely non responsive. They
were either rude or told me I sucked. Oh wow,
it's true. It's a true story. I have an email
printed that I look at regularly of a former competing
program director telling someone else I would never hire that guy.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He is awful.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Whoa I kicked his ass here in poetic It makes
me so happy. And when I see the guy, he
acts like it never happened. I'm like, you know, And
as soon as I got this job, someone forwarded me
the email and said you should have this his motivation,
and I have it and I look at it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Does he know, you know?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know, but I've talked about it enough times.
He's got to know it's him. And I respect the
guy and I wish him well and whatever. But I
he said I sucked, and we kick in this room
collectively kicked his ass and I love it, and I
he's doing great now, so good for him. But I
applied for a program director job in Tucson, Arizona at
(06:08):
a radio stage. And I'm from Arizona and I had
been an assistant program director for six months and I
had no responsibility. I didn't It was a title and
it was I was a receptionist. Basically, I took calls
for the for the program director and I and I
applied for the job. And Tim Richards is the guy's name.
Who is the who was in Tucson and he was
(06:28):
the guy. So I said him, I said, hey, I
want to be the program director of this radio station.
And he wrote me back and said, okay, well, we
have a lot of applicants, and you know, I see
here your assistant program director. Why don't you Why don't
you listen to the station and tell me what you
think of it. So I listened to the station and
I come up with like a four page I did
(06:49):
what Paulina did that she denies she did, which when
you came into the interview with us the first time
and you basically told me why the show sucked and
how you could make it better.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I came in with a notebook full.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Of ideas of how what we were doing sucked and
by the way, you were entirely wrong about everything. So
I tore this This radio station was number one, by
the way, and I tore this radio station to shreds.
I would do this musically, and I would do this
and this, and I would do this, and I would
go on the air and do this and this four pages, okay,
And I sent it to this guy who runs he's
(07:20):
the boss, he runs the whole all these radio stations
that we own in Tucson. And this guy calls me
back and sits on the phone and takes the time
about an hour, and we go through page by page
all my ideas. What I did not know was that
he was the program director and he was replacing himself.
So he spent an hour listening to me tell him
(07:41):
why his I, me an idiot with very little experience,
thought his radio station that was number one could be better.
And he and I are still friends to this day,
twenty twenty years later. He was so kind, and he
was like, it didn't wind up hiring anybody, and no
one got the job.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They didn't. They eliminated the position, of course.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But but to this day, and I remind him all
the time, I'm like, you were so kind. You took
an hour to listen to a twenty three year old
punk tell you why you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
What you were doing?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And you've been You've been doing it longer than I've
been alive at the time. So but you know, I
mean something good came of that. Like the guy, I
think he respected the ideas. I think he respected the
fact I took the time and and I was wrong
about most of it, but he was so kind to
listen to me, and he's been a you know, an
asset to me for twenty some years. Sold I guess
you never know, you never And I was polite about it,
(08:36):
but I was plait about telling him he sucked, but
he didn't. I mean number one, like who was I?
What was I doing? But the same with you, Pauline.
I mean you came into your interview what eight years
ago or something, Hey, here's your show kind of sucks
in a lot of areas, and here's how I would
fix it. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but I was kind of
like that, and I just remember sitting there thinking, wow,
like who is this person?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then you got hired, so boom, go figure me.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But I feel like, if you're interering somebody wouldn't you
want them to see, like.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
What they'd contribute or what they would know to the table.
You did it exactly. And by the way, you were
hired because you were a nutcase. That's true.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's you know, you were a train wreck of a
human being, and that's why we hired you in the
best possible way.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And look at you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But you were right about a lot of things, and
you made a lot of things better on our show.
But you were showing up drunk and you know, I
don't know all having to sit on the floor for
weeks on end for the yeah bbl and then how
many stories I mean crying about boys and.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh yeah, you can't write that stuff though, I mean,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's this, This room is full of incredible human beings,
but also everyone has is a little off, and it's
I am the captain. I am the captain of off.
I am the most off of all of it. So
I can say it. But like, you don't get hired
because you have a great voice. You don't get hired
necessarily because you know you're a hard worker. Even though
(09:56):
everybody here is, there's that one thing you have to
have a thing. It's just a thing, and that thing
means that you're a little off, and you were a
little off.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You saw from day one, you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think the I think the best thing was when
we called your ball because you were working as an
assistant Paulina for for for for Bill Barker, the famous
Bill Barker who sells commercials. He's an exeasing executive. I
don't need to minimize him.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Get the title right, I'm sick of it. President something.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't even know what they make up titles, right,
everyone is I'm the I'm the president of something. I
don't even know. Everyone is the senior. What's the difference
between a vice president and senior vice president?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't know, but I remember I called him and said, hey,
you're part time assistant. We're gonna I think we're gonna
hire her downstairs. And he literally goes you you want
to hire her?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah? And I'm like yeah, he goes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The box and all your stuff, he did, your stuff,
brought it down like he didn't hesitate.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like He's like okay, And I was thinking, mainly made
a mistake.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
My problem. You literally packed your stuff for you and
brought it down. Okay, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
And you are You know what you are our treasure?
You are? You are.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've made a lot of mistakes on this show, but
you weren't one of them. Let's come back. We'll do
waiting by the phone. It's brand new. Next upter Doja
Cat Friend Show's on
About Yeah, better than tell me about.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
These are the radio blogs on the Fred Show life
running in our diaries, except we say them a loud
We call them blogs.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kiki. Yes, I can relate to this, go dear blog.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
So recently I've been helping a friend try to figure
out like a new career path and like find a
new job and what they're passionate about.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
If my friend you mean you know, oh no, no, no, no, no,
this is this? Is it? Honey?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
After this is I think I'm just supposed to be
me like in life, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Saying, Like, I do just think that after this is
back to KFC. No no, no, no, no, there is no KFC.
Is this or unemployed? Because it's either this for me
or back to Blockbuster.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And since Blockbuster doesn't exist anymore, you're.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Going to be in Van Orgon. Where is it?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Ask you?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The only one? Yeah, yeah, this is it for me.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But so on this journey, though, I just thought of
the times where I was kind of like, you know, guys,
I was very scared to do this job for a
long time, and so I would have jobs and I
just wasn't happy, you with, But at that time I
was applying for jobs that I probably had no business
applying for, like out here trying to be like a
(01:09):
dental assistant. Or there was this one time where I
actually applied to be a program director in this building.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Way to run the entire radio station. Honestly, it probably
would have been a great idea. You probably are more
qualified than you said. No, No, no, selling knives. Yeah,
I try to invest in yourself, kicking knives, investing you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If you don't want to invest in yourself, then.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
One thing for sure, Like I just I don't know
if anybody else has had this experience where you applied
for a job you are absolutely not qualified for, like
you have No, I had no experience.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I had no It's just I was an intern, Like.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How can I be go from being an intern to
a program director? And I really applied for that job,
and I know they saw my application because I was
an employee here like I was working here, so I
know they saw the application, and I just wonder, like
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
They left, did they give you a courtesy interview? No,
that would have been funny, Like sure, why not?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I was waiting by the phone literally for that job
that I had no business applying for. But you know,
have you ever been in like a desperate situation where
you just like started playing for stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I've done this for so long that I don't this
is all I've really ever done.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I've been desperate in like reaching out to people because
you know, like I wanted to be in this industry,
and I, like my mom thought it was very much
like you know, corporate America, Like you send a resume
and you get a job whatever, but it's like you
obviously need to get your foot in the door somehow.
So I've been a little chaotic with like dming people
and like LinkedIn and email and like calling people and
they're just like chill, you know, but I wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
To do it relax, you mean for here, Like that's
how That's how it is. Like when you try to
get on the radio, you got to put together air checks,
you know what I'm saying, right, And the air checks
were like you're you're editing the cramp out of the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I line a lot. You've all heard the story before.
I line a lot. I lied my way all the
way to getting on the radio, And you know, I
guess when you get to this point then you can
tell people because it worked out, and I guess if
it doesn't work out, then you got caught in your line.
Oh well, but like I know a lot of people
in this business fake it till you make it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, don't ever tell anyone you don't.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Know how to do something, because you can, especially now
you can close the door and get on YouTube and
you can figure it out. Yeah, because it's better that
I don't. I don't mean to encourage people to lie,
but it's better that than say I don't know how
to do that and not get the job when you
could teach yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Hi, day, I got here right, Oh no, we knew you.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Guys knew Okay, well yeah Bob Barker hired you. Everyone
knows that. And then yeah, I made way down here, and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To some extent I did do that, Like I got
in the digital department and kind of like YouTube my
way through that and it worked out. But like to
think that I had the balls to just apply for
a total leadership position, it's so wild to me. And
I've seen the memes where people are like, I need
a chill out because I got an interview tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
To be like a lawyer, you know, you don't even
have a law degree.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But people could just apply for stuff, and I was
definitely one of those people.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I got to apply for stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, And I encourage people to apply, I mean, apply
to be whatever and see what happened. I mean, I
guess if you're applying, if you're trying to get a
job at a company, and you're applying for jobs that
are like high level executive jobs that you maybe aren't
qualified for, then they may not think you're you're being serious.
I'm sure like hiring recruiters and stuff listening now, No
would have comments on this, but like, don't apply to
be the CEO, you know, of Apple with me? If
(04:37):
you just want to be if you want to get
from the door in the retail store, they're probably gonna
take you seriously.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
But I mean, hey, it worked out for.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
You, it did. I was really trying to be the
CEO of this radio station.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I got my first full time job in Austin. You
should have you probably they probably should have hired you
by the though. No, And I was there for like
two years and I decided I should be. I was
way too big for it, and I wasn't that was
too big. I was just too ambitious. Was nowhere near
good enough, and so I started hitting up like La
New York, Chicago, and believe it or not, the people
(05:08):
running the stations in these markets, not Chicago. Chicago was actually,
believe it or not, Chicago was extremely non responsive. They
were either rude or told me I sucked. Oh wow,
it's true. It's a true story. I have an email
printed that I look at regularly of a former competing
program director telling someone else I would never hire that guy.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He is awful.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Whoa I kicked his ass here in poetic It makes
me so happy. And when I see the guy, he
acts like it never happened. I'm like, you know, And
as soon as I got this job, someone forwarded me
the email and said you should have this his motivation,
and I have it and I look at it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Does he know, you know?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't know, but I've talked about it enough times.
He's got to know it's him. And I respect the
guy and I wish him well and whatever. But I
he said I sucked, and we kick in this room
collectively kicked his ass and I love it, and I
he's doing great now, so good for him. But I
applied for a program director job in Tucson, Arizona at
(06:08):
a radio stage. And I'm from Arizona and I had
been an assistant program director for six months and I
had no responsibility. I didn't It was a title and
it was I was a receptionist. Basically, I took calls
for the for the program director and I and I
applied for the job. And Tim Richards is the guy's name.
Who is the who was in Tucson and he was
(06:28):
the guy. So I said him, I said, hey, I
want to be the program director of this radio station.
And he wrote me back and said, okay, well, we
have a lot of applicants, and you know, I see
here your assistant program director. Why don't you Why don't
you listen to the station and tell me what you
think of it. So I listened to the station and
I come up with like a four page I did
(06:49):
what Paulina did that she denies she did, which when
you came into the interview with us the first time
and you basically told me why the show sucked and
how you could make it better.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I came in with a notebook full.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Of ideas of how what we were doing sucked and
by the way, you were entirely wrong about everything. So
I tore this This radio station was number one, by
the way, and I tore this radio station to shreds.
I would do this musically, and I would do this
and this, and I would do this, and I would
go on the air and do this and this four pages, okay,
And I sent it to this guy who runs he's
(07:20):
the boss, he runs the whole all these radio stations
that we own in Tucson. And this guy calls me
back and sits on the phone and takes the time
about an hour, and we go through page by page
all my ideas. What I did not know was that
he was the program director and he was replacing himself.
So he spent an hour listening to me tell him
(07:41):
why his I, me an idiot with very little experience,
thought his radio station that was number one could be better.
And he and I are still friends to this day,
twenty twenty years later. He was so kind, and he
was like, it didn't wind up hiring anybody, and no
one got the job.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They didn't. They eliminated the position, of course.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But but to this day, and I remind him all
the time, I'm like, you were so kind. You took
an hour to listen to a twenty three year old
punk tell you why you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
What you were doing?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And you've been You've been doing it longer than I've
been alive at the time. So but you know, I
mean something good came of that. Like the guy, I
think he respected the ideas. I think he respected the
fact I took the time and and I was wrong
about most of it, but he was so kind to
listen to me, and he's been a you know, an
asset to me for twenty some years. Sold I guess
you never know, you never And I was polite about it,
(08:36):
but I was plait about telling him he sucked, but
he didn't. I mean number one, like who was I?
What was I doing? But the same with you, Pauline.
I mean you came into your interview what eight years
ago or something, Hey, here's your show kind of sucks
in a lot of areas, and here's how I would
fix it. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but I was kind of
like that, and I just remember sitting there thinking, wow,
like who is this person?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And then you got hired, so boom, go figure me.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But I feel like, if you're interering somebody wouldn't you
want them to see, like.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
What they'd contribute or what they would know to the table.
You did it exactly. And by the way, you were
hired because you were a nutcase. That's true.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's you know, you were a train wreck of a
human being, and that's why we hired you in the
best possible way.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And look at you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But you were right about a lot of things, and
you made a lot of things better on our show.
But you were showing up drunk and you know, I
don't know all having to sit on the floor for
weeks on end for the yeah bbl and then how
many stories I mean crying about boys and.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh yeah, you can't write that stuff though, I mean,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's this, This room is full of incredible human beings,
but also everyone has is a little off, and it's
I am the captain. I am the captain of off.
I am the most off of all of it. So
I can say it. But like, you don't get hired
because you have a great voice. You don't get hired
necessarily because you know you're a hard worker. Even though
(09:56):
everybody here is, there's that one thing you have to
have a thing. It's just a thing, and that thing
means that you're a little off, and you were a
little off.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You saw from day one, you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think the I think the best thing was when
we called your ball because you were working as an
assistant Paulina for for for for Bill Barker, the famous
Bill Barker who sells commercials. He's an exeasing executive. I
don't need to minimize him.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Get the title right, I'm sick of it. President something.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I don't even know what they make up titles, right,
everyone is I'm the I'm the president of something. I
don't even know. Everyone is the senior. What's the difference
between a vice president and senior vice president?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't know, but I remember I called him and said, hey,
you're part time assistant. We're gonna I think we're gonna
hire her downstairs. And he literally goes you you want
to hire her?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah? And I'm like yeah, he goes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The box and all your stuff, he did, your stuff,
brought it down like he didn't hesitate.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Like He's like okay, And I was thinking, mainly made
a mistake.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
My problem. You literally packed your stuff for you and
brought it down. Okay, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
And you are You know what you are our treasure?
You are? You are.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've made a lot of mistakes on this show, but
you weren't one of them. Let's come back. We'll do
waiting by the phone. It's brand new. Next upter Doja
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