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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show is on.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's stay or go all right, Deanna, I have a
seat on the couch. Deanna. Welcome. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How are you doing great? What's going on with your
situation here? I've got your email. You and Josh are newlywed.
We are congratulations Ago nice. Nice, It's so exciting.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't sound very enthusiastic about it, but I'm sure.
I'm sure it's very exciting. I'm sure it is. So
what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
It really all is exciting. It's really just like one
little bone that I have to pick with Josh. So
I guess it's not too bad. But basically what's going
on is that I I was raised Catholic. It was
a big deal when I was a kid, but I
keep that up in like early adulthood, and you know,
after meeting Josh and realizing I wanted to send the
rest of my life with him, I actually ended up
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converting to Judaism because you know, like I said, I
gave it up at like eighteen, the Catholicism, and it
wasn't a big deal, but I knew it was important
to him for me to do this, So I said Okay,
no problem, I'll do it, you know. Uh so, yeah,
I'm officially Jewish. But the only thing is thank you.
(01:14):
It's just, you know, it's Christmas time. I would love
to put up a Christmas tree just because, like it's
just to me. It's not symbolic of anything. It just
makes me like feel warm and fuzzy inside, you know,
all that good stuff and like brings you back to
the simpler time. I feel like a nice tree, like
a couple of decorations in our house. To me, it's
not a big deal. I really like to put that
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up this.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Year, but it's involved to me because the presents go underneath.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Exactly Obviously we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Want to do that. I didn't know exactly where to
go to start shaking stuff and looking at the size
and sort of see what's coming. So that's what you
got to have it. But anyway, I understand. So no
Christmas tree, or at least you want one, And I'm
assuming he doesn't. He does not.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
He's Josh my husband. He is super serious about this.
He tells me all the time, like converting means you
actually have to convert to the religion, and like with
all the anti Semitism in this world. You know, the
community needs all the support they can get. The White
the heck, we put up a Christmas tree, basically what
he tells me all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Why not? I mean, okay, that doesn't change your faith,
doesn't change your belief, it doesn't change your commitment to it.
Why can't you put up a Christmas tree, animal and
whatever else?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And I've been to so many houses that do exactly
just that, you know, and it's me it's this is
not that big of de like I don't think we
have to go out and get a divorce or anything
like that. But uh, you know, like I said, I
wanted to convert, but I think go through a lot
of work at the end of the day to do that.
So for me, I just wish that he could compromise here,
do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, so you want a Christmas tree, he doesn't want one,
and so his I guess his word in this, in
his opinion, is is the deciding factor. And so you
just don't get to have one. Now even though you
I'm assuming you did you convert for him, I mean
he did it for you, but I mean you wouldn't
have done it otherwise?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Right, No, probably not if you know circumstances didn't work
out the way they did. I'm glad I did. I
don't have any regrets, you know, just stay out the
way thing.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I guess I don't get it. I don't understand why
why can't you have whatever symbol you want? It doesn't
change the fundamentals or does it? Maybe am I missing
something here?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think sometimes he's just a little serious about stuff
and he runs with it. And yeah, he's sometimes days
who a little suffered at the end of the day.
But yeah, I'm just wondering, like what I could say
to like you guys just kind of get through to him.
But because I agree, why can't you have both?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right? Yeah? This is I don't know, or yeah, I
don't know eight five three five. I would also know,
you know, other people who've been through the keep Bella,
I mean in here, Bella Hamen did this recently. I
want to know what her take is on this. I
don't know what she was, if she was Catholic or
practicing Catholic or Christian or whatever she was before, but
(04:04):
I know that she converted for her husband.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
She still does like the what is it the meal
of the What did Italians do the seven fishes?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, she still does that with her dad with a
lot of fishes.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yes it is which is a Catholic Italian fish.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And so I better cancel that, cancel that because Josh says, no,
no fishes for you.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I mean, I know friends who have converted and their
husbands do feel the same, like they've said, there's so
much anti Semitism right now, like we have to really
be in with this religion, and you converted, and why.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Do we need this?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I want to raise our kids just Jewish. But to me,
I don't see an issue. But obviously I can't really
speak on it because I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Not sure how celebrating Catholicism makes you anti Semitic, especially
if you're a Jew.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Oh No, I just mean to have more solidarity. It's
like more important than ever I think.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But I guess I don't know how putting up a
Christmas tree makes you not solid but or doesn't demonstrate solidarity.
But anyway, Deanna, let me take some phone calls on
this and belahminds what Dea. We'll see what she says.
Have a good day and have your radio.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
One, Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I don't mean is any deeper than it has to be.
But Belahamine, how were you raised?
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Well, so my parents weren't very religious, but I would
say quote I was Catholic and I did convert to Judaism.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
In March because you married a Jewish man.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Well, I hate saying that because we were together for
like seven years and I never did. But something in
me just kind of felt like, I don't know, I
was always very intrigued by Judaism and I decided.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
To make the leap for it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Do you feel like you're any less Jewish if you
put up a Christmas tree in your house to celebrate
or to honor I suppose what you used to believe,
or your former faith, or what your friends and family believe.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Not necessarily. I think it's all about what you're comfortable with,
and you know, just your faith.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I don't necessarily think that a Christmas tree is gonna
knock your faith in Judaism. But that's my opinion. My husband,
he never had a Christmas tree. He doesn't get it.
I wanted a Christmas tree for like the longest time,
and he's like, yeah, I'm not really about this.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But he didn't tell you not to. No, he doesn't care.
I guess if you have a belief that it applies
to you, fine, if it doesn't, it doesn't. But like
I don't know, you have to be all in one camp.
It's at your faith and you believe it and it's
genuine to you. Do you have to be all on
one side or all on another? I think is that
kind of part of the problem.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I don't think so. I think that you don't have
to prove to anybody your jewishness. If you want to
have a Christmas tree by all means, I call it
a hanka bush I personally I.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Don't have at the moment. That can be taking a
lot of words.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, I hate him.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Welcome to the club. As soon as you said Bush,
it was over it. This is a great ass man
over here, believe it or not. Hey, Red, Good morning, Red, Hey,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Thanks for calling, thanks for listening to you are Jewish
and this makes you feel a certain kind of way.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, definitely. The first thing is I do think she
should stay. I mean, this is no reason to break
up a marriage. But yeah, I guess as a Jewish
person the I called immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I was like, I have to call it because.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I guess the I think the thing that people who
are not Jewish just don't understand is that the oversaturation
of Christmas and the way that like.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now stores are like putting up Christmas stuff in August,
Like it just gets kind of exhausting when it's something
that you don't celebrate to be surrounded by it all
the time.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And it's not like it's bad, like you know, it's
if you guys are enjoying it, that's great. But I
could see why her husband would be like, I don't
want this in my house, Like can we just like
it's everywhere, you know, like you can enjoy it elsewhere.
And I just don't think that like you need the
tree when yeah, it's not something that is related.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
To the religion.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, and here's the thing RED like, And I don't
advocate one way or the other. It's whatever whatever they decide.
It doesn't I'm not pushing one thing or the other.
For me to be completely honest with you, I don't
necessarily even think I know what the tree represents except
it's nostalgia. I'm being honest. I'm honest and I'm a Catholic,
I was raised Catholic. I consider myself kind of spiritual
at this point. But like the truth is, when the
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tree comes up, it's Christmas time, and and it smells
good if we have a real one or light and
candle a face right, and like you put the I
don't know, it's just to me. It's just to me.
It reminds me of my childhood. So I feel like
even if I changed my belief and in some ways
I have as I've grown, I and again this is different,
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but like, I don't know that I think it makes
me any more or less devout in whatever I believe
because it's up, especially because don't we as grown ups
really sort of love stuff that we like. It makes
us feel good to remember being young, right, And that's
for me, that's what there. And the presence, the presence,
the presence.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, yes, I know the presents are important.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think too.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I think what maybe is a misunderstanding is I don't
even actually think it's religious at all. I agree with you,
but I think it is so like there's so much
symbolism embedded with what people associated was like winter time
that actually is Christmas. Get you and so it's like again,
when when that's what you grew up with, it seems normal.
(09:33):
But when that's not your thing, when that's not what
you grew up with, you're just like, oh my god,
it's everywhere.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Ye like.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'm like, I'm a teacher. And my one of my coworkers,
who I love that she was decorating her room for winter.
She was trying to keep it very very, just like
non secular in anyway, because you know, public school. And
I walked in and I didn't realize that she was
doing this, and I said, wow, this is very christmasy.
(10:02):
She yelled at me. She was like, no, it's it's winter.
And I said, well, no, it's it's not because winter
is like penguins and snowballs, and she had reefs stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I see that's not religious, but yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I guess iconography.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I hear your points. I just I guess it's dangerous.
The part is dangerous for me is for her husband
to say, essentially, you're not It's almost he's implying or saying,
you're not into this completely, You're not committed to your
beliefs because of this symbol. And I think that's kind
of a dangerous place to be. He's projecting onto her.
He doesn't get to tell her.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Agree with that. Yeah, I think I think he's coming
at it from the wrong place because I don't think
it's religious. I agree, Like the tree is so iconic.
When I was little, I wanted to set up a
tree because that's like it's just pretty, you know. But yeah,
I like, I think that that's the discussion they need
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to have.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, okay, well let me take some other cults here
and thank you, Red. I appreciate you calling. Have a
great day.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, of course you guys, So I love you guys.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I listened to you every morning.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And happy winter, and I mean that winter, you know, like, yeah,
I have a good day, Ashley. Hi, actually, good morning. Welcome.
So this woman she called just a second ago, and
she was saying that she converted to Judaism, but she
still wants to Christmas tree in her house and her husband,
who is Jewish, says, no, we're not doing that, And
I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me. And
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for no reason except why does he get to decide
whether she's committed or not?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I agree, I am I was raised Roman Catholic, I
come from a big Italian family. I went to Catholic
school till high school and I married a.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Muslim Man and we have children and.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I did not convert, so it's a little bit different
for me, I guess.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But we celebrate it all.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So it's because everyone likes to be included. I think
in the holiday spirit and we have trees up and
I we host Christmas at our house and the holidays
and our children.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Our children are also going.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To celebrate eed and we're very inclusive.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
And I will say that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Before we got married and things like that, this had
to be discussed with our families and how we were
going to do things. There were a lot of questions,
but it works for us. Everybody is involved. We celebrate
the diversity that's our family and we love it. It's
just more to celebrate for us all around the whole year.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Actually, Yeah, Ashley, thank you so much. Have a good day. Yeah,
I do love that. Have a good one. Thanks for
listening to love you guys, I love you too. If
he's saving up for his beliefs and his religion, or
he believes it's under under celebrated, underacknowledged, it's fine. It's
also coming off controlling though it's for me, Jacob, Hi,
(13:07):
Hey how's it going? Hey, good morning man. You're Jewish
and it says it right here. So I guess we
need to do a you wanted. You wanted to lead
with that, so I want to make sure we get
that out there. Take it as to is everyone, which
is wonderful.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
We love that for you, Jacob, you know, okay, So no, First,
first I want to shout out my mom, Hi, mom,
you're probably listening. And then second of all, I wanted
to say that I forgot their names, the people that
were talking, but the decision should be.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Made take together.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
It's both of their home, so that needs to be
a mutual decision. So I wanted to preface with that.
But speaking to Judaism specifically, it's beyond a religion. It
is a culture.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
It's a way of.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Life, certain values, things like that. When you are practicing Judaism,
it's also what separates you from from other religions, other cultures,
other groups of people. Honikah typically falls around Christmas, However,
it is not the Jewish Christmas. Honkah is about preserving
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Jewish values, identity, things like that. The lady that had
called in shared that she had converted to Judaism. Judaism
is it is a daily thing that you are living,
and I think it's just a matter of what do
you value Christmas tree. Sure there is symbolism beyond beyond
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just the physical tree, but it's also like what what
are your values? How can you live the Jewish lifestyle
with with also having non Jewish things in your home.
I don't know if that makes sense, but the symbolism
goes beyond, just like the religion. Jews have been persecuted
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for millennium for their you know, culture, identity, religion, whatever
it might be. So especially around Hanukkah, time is the
time to be Jewish and having a Christmas tree might
be a slippery slope. It might convolute the Jewish values.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Within that Jewish home.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
Okay, I agree, it sounds like going back to what
I originally said. Yes, it is a it is a
mutual decision that needs to be made with all members
of the household.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
There you go. I agree with you, Jacob, and I
appreciate the perspective here on the education. I do sincerely
and I but and I also agree with you that
this is something to date that that he should be
taking into consideration of her thoughts too, and it doesn't
sound like he is. But Jacob, thank you for listening.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hi mom, Hi Jacob's mom. I'm assuming. Yeah, I don't
need to assume, but yeah, right, Hey, Julie.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Julie? Hey, good morning. So just to stare go here
at Deanna, she converted to Judaism, and I'm just recapping
the story of Julie and uh, and she wants but
she was Christian or Catholic and had a Christmas tree
and she wants a Christmas tree in her house. And
her husband says, no, I guess I'm paraphrasing here, but
it's kind of like that makes you maybe less Jewish
or less committed or something like that. If you do that,
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what do you think, Well, I mean a.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Couple of things. Everybody has already said. It's really not
appropriate for one person in a relationship to dictate to
the other, whether it's the man dictating to the woman
or the woman dictating to the man. That's not a relationship.
But and I would say, in response to the people
who talk about how embracing a religion, particularly Jewism, means
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you need to be one immersed one percent of the time.
I would also say I would disagree with that, because,
after all, if you're a thought mindful, thoughtful person who's
thinking through your belief system and the reason for beliefs,
you ought to be able to consciously examine other beliefs
and not feel threatened by that. But bottom line is
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what I wondered, that's a little different when what everybody
else has said is perhaps he has in his family,
his parents, his grandparents, If he has holocaustoms in his family,
it's very possible that this is a trigger for somebody
else's emotional trauma. And you know, she didn't get to
really expand on why he doesn't want it there, So
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she also really didn't say whether they've discussed some sort
of a compromise because she does have a different background,
and you know she converted for him. So stay and examine, well,
whether you really meant to be Jewish or you're on
the fence about it. But there's compromises she could do,
and maybe like maybe you decorate a hanuka bush with
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blue lights and dradals. Yeah, maybe you don't put up
the tree, but you still put up cheerful lights that
are blue and white, and instead of hanging wreaths and
whatnot on your house, maybe you hang Drado's and symbols
of Judaism, but you still light up the night and
get that warm, fuzzy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I like it. I like all the points. Thank you
very much. I'm glad you called. Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
This is very is.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Everyone's very civilized here with this, and I appreciate it.
And I learned some things here. I guess if they
and I hear what she's saying about the context, I
guess if it were that sensitive for him, though, maybe
this wouldn't be so difficult for her to manage, you
know what I mean, Like if it if her, if there,
if his history is deep rooted, maybe she's not calling
you radio. Maybe this is less trivial. Yes, maybe she
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would have mentioned that. I'm not sure, but I don't know.
I don't know. I like the I like the Christmas
or the Hollyka Bush.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
I see the issue with Hanakha Bush now, Rufio, I
see this.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
But that just got to you.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
No, no, okay, that it's been repeated a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm going to change that.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We're gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Bella, we are going to corrupt the hell out of you.
It took you twelve minutes. I love you so much,
The Entertainer reports.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Next
The show is on.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's stay or go all right, Deanna, I have a
seat on the couch. Deanna. Welcome. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How are you doing great? What's going on with your
situation here? I've got your email. You and Josh are newlywed.
We are congratulations Ago nice. Nice, It's so exciting.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't sound very enthusiastic about it, but I'm sure.
I'm sure it's very exciting. I'm sure it is. So
what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
It really all is exciting. It's really just like one
little bone that I have to pick with Josh. So
I guess it's not too bad. But basically what's going
on is that I I was raised Catholic. It was
a big deal when I was a kid, but I
keep that up in like early adulthood, and you know,
after meeting Josh and realizing I wanted to send the
rest of my life with him, I actually ended up
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converting to Judaism because you know, like I said, I
gave it up at like eighteen, the Catholicism, and it
wasn't a big deal, but I knew it was important
to him for me to do this, So I said Okay,
no problem, I'll do it, you know. Uh so, yeah,
I'm officially Jewish. But the only thing is thank you.
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It's just, you know, it's Christmas time. I would love
to put up a Christmas tree just because, like it's
just to me. It's not symbolic of anything. It just
makes me like feel warm and fuzzy inside, you know,
all that good stuff and like brings you back to
the simpler time. I feel like a nice tree, like
a couple of decorations in our house. To me, it's
not a big deal. I really like to put that
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up this.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Year, but it's involved to me because the presents go underneath.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Exactly Obviously we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Want to do that. I didn't know exactly where to
go to start shaking stuff and looking at the size
and sort of see what's coming. So that's what you
got to have it. But anyway, I understand. So no
Christmas tree, or at least you want one, And I'm
assuming he doesn't. He does not.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
He's Josh my husband. He is super serious about this.
He tells me all the time, like converting means you
actually have to convert to the religion, and like with
all the anti Semitism in this world. You know, the
community needs all the support they can get. The White
the heck, we put up a Christmas tree, basically what
he tells me all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Why not? I mean, okay, that doesn't change your faith,
doesn't change your belief, it doesn't change your commitment to it.
Why can't you put up a Christmas tree, animal and
whatever else?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And I've been to so many houses that do exactly
just that, you know, and it's me it's this is
not that big of de like I don't think we
have to go out and get a divorce or anything
like that. But uh, you know, like I said, I
wanted to convert, but I think go through a lot
of work at the end of the day to do that.
So for me, I just wish that he could compromise here,
do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, so you want a Christmas tree, he doesn't want one,
and so his I guess his word in this, in
his opinion, is is the deciding factor. And so you
just don't get to have one. Now even though you
I'm assuming you did you convert for him, I mean
he did it for you, but I mean you wouldn't
have done it otherwise?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Right, No, probably not if you know circumstances didn't work
out the way they did. I'm glad I did. I
don't have any regrets, you know, just stay out the
way thing.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I guess I don't get it. I don't understand why
why can't you have whatever symbol you want? It doesn't
change the fundamentals or does it? Maybe am I missing
something here?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think sometimes he's just a little serious about stuff
and he runs with it. And yeah, he's sometimes days
who a little suffered at the end of the day.
But yeah, I'm just wondering, like what I could say
to like you guys just kind of get through to him.
But because I agree, why can't you have both?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right? Yeah? This is I don't know, or yeah, I
don't know eight five three five. I would also know,
you know, other people who've been through the keep Bella,
I mean in here, Bella Hamen did this recently. I
want to know what her take is on this. I
don't know what she was, if she was Catholic or
practicing Catholic or Christian or whatever she was before, but
(04:04):
I know that she converted for her husband.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
She still does like the what is it the meal
of the What did Italians do the seven fishes?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, she still does that with her dad with a
lot of fishes.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yes it is which is a Catholic Italian fish.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And so I better cancel that, cancel that because Josh says, no,
no fishes for you.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I mean, I know friends who have converted and their
husbands do feel the same, like they've said, there's so
much anti Semitism right now, like we have to really
be in with this religion, and you converted, and why.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Do we need this?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I want to raise our kids just Jewish. But to me,
I don't see an issue. But obviously I can't really
speak on it because I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Not sure how celebrating Catholicism makes you anti Semitic, especially
if you're a Jew.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Oh No, I just mean to have more solidarity. It's
like more important than ever I think.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But I guess I don't know how putting up a
Christmas tree makes you not solid but or doesn't demonstrate solidarity.
But anyway, Deanna, let me take some phone calls on
this and belahminds what Dea. We'll see what she says.
Have a good day and have your radio.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
One, Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I don't mean is any deeper than it has to be.
But Belahamine, how were you raised?
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Well, so my parents weren't very religious, but I would
say quote I was Catholic and I did convert to Judaism.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
In March because you married a Jewish man.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Well, I hate saying that because we were together for
like seven years and I never did. But something in
me just kind of felt like, I don't know, I
was always very intrigued by Judaism and I decided.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
To make the leap for it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Do you feel like you're any less Jewish if you
put up a Christmas tree in your house to celebrate
or to honor I suppose what you used to believe,
or your former faith, or what your friends and family believe.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Not necessarily. I think it's all about what you're comfortable with,
and you know, just your faith.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I don't necessarily think that a Christmas tree is gonna
knock your faith in Judaism. But that's my opinion. My husband,
he never had a Christmas tree. He doesn't get it.
I wanted a Christmas tree for like the longest time,
and he's like, yeah, I'm not really about this.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But he didn't tell you not to. No, he doesn't care.
I guess if you have a belief that it applies
to you, fine, if it doesn't, it doesn't. But like
I don't know, you have to be all in one camp.
It's at your faith and you believe it and it's
genuine to you. Do you have to be all on
one side or all on another? I think is that
kind of part of the problem.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I don't think so. I think that you don't have
to prove to anybody your jewishness. If you want to
have a Christmas tree by all means, I call it
a hanka bush I personally I.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Don't have at the moment. That can be taking a
lot of words.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, I hate him.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Welcome to the club. As soon as you said Bush,
it was over it. This is a great ass man
over here, believe it or not. Hey, Red, Good morning, Red, Hey,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Thanks for calling, thanks for listening to you are Jewish
and this makes you feel a certain kind of way.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Yeah, definitely. The first thing is I do think she
should stay. I mean, this is no reason to break
up a marriage. But yeah, I guess as a Jewish
person the I called immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I was like, I have to call it because.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I guess the I think the thing that people who
are not Jewish just don't understand is that the oversaturation
of Christmas and the way that like.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now stores are like putting up Christmas stuff in August,
Like it just gets kind of exhausting when it's something
that you don't celebrate to be surrounded by it all
the time.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And it's not like it's bad, like you know, it's
if you guys are enjoying it, that's great. But I
could see why her husband would be like, I don't
want this in my house, Like can we just like
it's everywhere, you know, like you can enjoy it elsewhere.
And I just don't think that like you need the
tree when yeah, it's not something that is related.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
To the religion.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, and here's the thing RED like, And I don't
advocate one way or the other. It's whatever whatever they decide.
It doesn't I'm not pushing one thing or the other.
For me to be completely honest with you, I don't
necessarily even think I know what the tree represents except
it's nostalgia. I'm being honest. I'm honest and I'm a Catholic,
I was raised Catholic. I consider myself kind of spiritual
at this point. But like the truth is, when the
(08:27):
tree comes up, it's Christmas time, and and it smells
good if we have a real one or light and
candle a face right, and like you put the I
don't know, it's just to me. It's just to me.
It reminds me of my childhood. So I feel like
even if I changed my belief and in some ways
I have as I've grown, I and again this is different,
(08:48):
but like, I don't know that I think it makes
me any more or less devout in whatever I believe
because it's up, especially because don't we as grown ups
really sort of love stuff that we like. It makes
us feel good to remember being young, right, And that's
for me, that's what there. And the presence, the presence,
the presence.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, yes, I know the presents are important.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think too.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I think what maybe is a misunderstanding is I don't
even actually think it's religious at all. I agree with you,
but I think it is so like there's so much
symbolism embedded with what people associated was like winter time
that actually is Christmas. Get you and so it's like again,
when when that's what you grew up with, it seems normal.
(09:33):
But when that's not your thing, when that's not what
you grew up with, you're just like, oh my god,
it's everywhere.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Ye like.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'm like, I'm a teacher. And my one of my coworkers,
who I love that she was decorating her room for winter.
She was trying to keep it very very, just like
non secular in anyway, because you know, public school. And
I walked in and I didn't realize that she was
doing this, and I said, wow, this is very christmasy.
(10:02):
She yelled at me. She was like, no, it's it's winter.
And I said, well, no, it's it's not because winter
is like penguins and snowballs, and she had reefs stopped.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I see that's not religious, but yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I guess iconography.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I hear your points. I just I guess it's dangerous.
The part is dangerous for me is for her husband
to say, essentially, you're not It's almost he's implying or saying,
you're not into this completely, You're not committed to your
beliefs because of this symbol. And I think that's kind
of a dangerous place to be. He's projecting onto her.
He doesn't get to tell her.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Agree with that. Yeah, I think I think he's coming
at it from the wrong place because I don't think
it's religious. I agree, Like the tree is so iconic.
When I was little, I wanted to set up a
tree because that's like it's just pretty, you know. But yeah,
I like, I think that that's the discussion they need
(11:01):
to have.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, okay, well let me take some other cults here
and thank you, Red. I appreciate you calling. Have a
great day.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, of course you guys, So I love you guys.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I listened to you every morning.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And happy winter, and I mean that winter, you know, like, yeah,
I have a good day, Ashley. Hi, actually, good morning. Welcome.
So this woman she called just a second ago, and
she was saying that she converted to Judaism, but she
still wants to Christmas tree in her house and her husband,
who is Jewish, says, no, we're not doing that, And
I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me. And
(11:31):
for no reason except why does he get to decide
whether she's committed or not?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I agree, I am I was raised Roman Catholic, I
come from a big Italian family. I went to Catholic
school till high school and I married a.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Muslim Man and we have children and.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I did not convert, so it's a little bit different
for me, I guess.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But we celebrate it all.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So it's because everyone likes to be included. I think
in the holiday spirit and we have trees up and
I we host Christmas at our house and the holidays
and our children.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
Our children are also going.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To celebrate eed and we're very inclusive.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
And I will say that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Before we got married and things like that, this had
to be discussed with our families and how we were
going to do things. There were a lot of questions,
but it works for us. Everybody is involved. We celebrate
the diversity that's our family and we love it. It's
just more to celebrate for us all around the whole year.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Actually, Yeah, Ashley, thank you so much. Have a good day. Yeah,
I do love that. Have a good one. Thanks for
listening to love you guys, I love you too. If
he's saving up for his beliefs and his religion, or
he believes it's under under celebrated, underacknowledged, it's fine. It's
also coming off controlling though it's for me, Jacob, Hi,
(13:07):
Hey how's it going? Hey, good morning man. You're Jewish
and it says it right here. So I guess we
need to do a you wanted. You wanted to lead
with that, so I want to make sure we get
that out there. Take it as to is everyone, which
is wonderful.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
We love that for you, Jacob, you know, okay, So no, First,
first I want to shout out my mom, Hi, mom,
you're probably listening. And then second of all, I wanted
to say that I forgot their names, the people that
were talking, but the decision should be.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Made take together.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
It's both of their home, so that needs to be
a mutual decision. So I wanted to preface with that.
But speaking to Judaism specifically, it's beyond a religion. It
is a culture.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
It's a way of.
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Life, certain values, things like that. When you are practicing Judaism,
it's also what separates you from from other religions, other cultures,
other groups of people. Honikah typically falls around Christmas, However,
it is not the Jewish Christmas. Honkah is about preserving
(14:15):
Jewish values, identity, things like that. The lady that had
called in shared that she had converted to Judaism. Judaism
is it is a daily thing that you are living,
and I think it's just a matter of what do
you value Christmas tree. Sure there is symbolism beyond beyond
(14:36):
just the physical tree, but it's also like what what
are your values? How can you live the Jewish lifestyle
with with also having non Jewish things in your home.
I don't know if that makes sense, but the symbolism
goes beyond, just like the religion. Jews have been persecuted
(14:58):
for millennium for their you know, culture, identity, religion, whatever
it might be. So especially around Hanukkah, time is the
time to be Jewish and having a Christmas tree might
be a slippery slope. It might convolute the Jewish values.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Within that Jewish home.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
Okay, I agree, it sounds like going back to what
I originally said. Yes, it is a it is a
mutual decision that needs to be made with all members
of the household.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
There you go. I agree with you, Jacob, and I
appreciate the perspective here on the education. I do sincerely
and I but and I also agree with you that
this is something to date that that he should be
taking into consideration of her thoughts too, and it doesn't
sound like he is. But Jacob, thank you for listening.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hi mom, Hi Jacob's mom. I'm assuming. Yeah, I don't
need to assume, but yeah, right, Hey, Julie.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
Hey, how are you?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Julie? Hey, good morning. So just to stare go here
at Deanna, she converted to Judaism, and I'm just recapping
the story of Julie and uh, and she wants but
she was Christian or Catholic and had a Christmas tree
and she wants a Christmas tree in her house. And
her husband says, no, I guess I'm paraphrasing here, but
it's kind of like that makes you maybe less Jewish
or less committed or something like that. If you do that,
(16:11):
what do you think, Well, I mean a.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Couple of things. Everybody has already said. It's really not
appropriate for one person in a relationship to dictate to
the other, whether it's the man dictating to the woman
or the woman dictating to the man. That's not a relationship.
But and I would say, in response to the people
who talk about how embracing a religion, particularly Jewism, means
(16:35):
you need to be one immersed one percent of the time.
I would also say I would disagree with that, because,
after all, if you're a thought mindful, thoughtful person who's
thinking through your belief system and the reason for beliefs,
you ought to be able to consciously examine other beliefs
and not feel threatened by that. But bottom line is
(16:58):
what I wondered, that's a little different when what everybody
else has said is perhaps he has in his family,
his parents, his grandparents, If he has holocaustoms in his family,
it's very possible that this is a trigger for somebody
else's emotional trauma. And you know, she didn't get to
really expand on why he doesn't want it there, So
(17:19):
she also really didn't say whether they've discussed some sort
of a compromise because she does have a different background,
and you know she converted for him. So stay and examine, well,
whether you really meant to be Jewish or you're on
the fence about it. But there's compromises she could do,
and maybe like maybe you decorate a hanuka bush with
(17:40):
blue lights and dradals. Yeah, maybe you don't put up
the tree, but you still put up cheerful lights that
are blue and white, and instead of hanging wreaths and
whatnot on your house, maybe you hang Drado's and symbols
of Judaism, but you still light up the night and
get that warm, fuzzy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I like it. I like all the points. Thank you
very much. I'm glad you called. Have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
This is very is.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Everyone's very civilized here with this, and I appreciate it.
And I learned some things here. I guess if they
and I hear what she's saying about the context, I
guess if it were that sensitive for him, though, maybe
this wouldn't be so difficult for her to manage, you
know what I mean, Like if it if her, if there,
if his history is deep rooted, maybe she's not calling
you radio. Maybe this is less trivial. Yes, maybe she
(18:27):
would have mentioned that. I'm not sure, but I don't know.
I don't know. I like the I like the Christmas
or the Hollyka Bush.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
I see the issue with Hanakha Bush now, Rufio, I
see this.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
But that just got to you.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
No, no, okay, that it's been repeated a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm going to change that.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
We're gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Bella, we are going to corrupt the hell out of you.
It took you twelve minutes. I love you so much,
The Entertainer reports.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
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