April 11, 2025 • 10 mins
Sydney is confused why her date Paul won't call her back after she felt a connection with him. Find out why Sydney got ghosted!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I've ever been left waiting by the phone. It's the
Fred Show. Sidney, Welcome to the show. How are you hi?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm well, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's going on with this guy?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Paul?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Tell us everything? How did you guys meet? Tell us
about any dates you've been on, and then why do
you think you're being ghosted?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Awesome?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
So Paul and I met at a bar a few
weekends ago. We flirted all night. I gave him my number,
and he asked me out for sushi. So this is
probably about our second third date. It was fun, he
seemed intriguing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We had a great banter, and after our date, the
sushi date, he ended up being cold to me. I'm
frustrated because I don't know why he was so cold
to me. And after that date he kind of just disappeared.
So I'm here to figure out why why he ghost
to me. After our date, I thought it went well.
I'm really interested in him and I want to know
(00:51):
if we can go on the second date.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, all right, because you met you met in a
wild and we talk about this all the time. That matters, right,
if you meet somebody in person, that mattered versus the
dating apps or the websites or whatever, because you can
gauge chemistry. You know what they look like, you know,
you know if you're instantly attracted to them, you already
know a little bit about the conversation and stuff, so
that's usually a good sign. And then you go on
a date and you can just spend more time together.
(01:14):
And you felt, genuinely, you felt like that went well,
You like you're really puzzled.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, yes, exactly. I'm really frustrated. I'm really confused as
to why he would just disappear, and I'm even more
confused as to why he was so cold to me.
We had great banter.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, And it's frustrating too, because when you finally meet
someone that you want to hang out with and then
for some reason they disappear and you don't know why. Uh,
that's frustrating on a lot of levels. So let's call
this guy Paul in just a second, Sydney. You'll be
on the phone at the same time. And I don't
want you to say anything right at first, but at
some point you're welcome to jump in on the call.
And the hope, as always is that we can figure
out what's going on. Hopefully it's he can explain it,
(01:51):
and maybe he's been busy or who knows, and we'll
set you guys up on another date that we pay for.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sound good, sounds great?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's see what happens next. Part two of What the
Phone after this song on The Fred Show. Good morning,
It's the Fred Show. Part two of Waiting by the Phone. Hey, Sydney,
all right, welcome back. Let's call this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Paul.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You met actually out and exchange phone numbers, and then
you went on a date. You went out for sushi.
You thought the date was fun. You know, he was interesting,
the banter was good. But he's been very cold or
non existent since the date. And you want to know
what happened because you know, usually when he meets someone
out in public and hit it off and then go
on a date and a date that you thought went
(02:30):
well at that, it's like, well, why wouldn't we keep talking,
why wouldn't we go out again? Right? Let's call this
guy and figure this out right now? Good luck, Sydney,
Thank you? No is this Paul? Yes, hey Paul, good morning.
(02:51):
My name is Fred. I'm calling for the Fred Show,
the morning radio show, and I have to tell you
that we are on the radio right now, and I
would need your permission to continue with the call, can
which at just a second? Would you mind?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Wait? What hold on? What is that?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Can we just can we chat for a second on
the radio. I just need you to say yes on
the radio.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, yes, yes, thank you. So we're calling on behalf
of a woman named Sidney, who I guess you met
out recently and then you went on a sushi date
with Do you remember this woman?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah? Yeah, how do you know? How do you know?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, Well, because she reached out to us and and
told us about you and meeting you and your date
and she felt like everything went really well. But she
says that she hasn't that you've been cold since the
date or non existent, and she feels like you're ghosting
her after what she thought was a great date.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So is that true? Are you ghosting? I mean, what happened?
Ah man, that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, yes, I know. I mean, I'm not trying to
ghost I just it was just a it was a
weird date.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's a weird date. And I mean that you're you're right,
you're accurate. What you said is true. We went out
for sushi, but it was just weird conversation. I guess, Okay,
well what does that mean? Oh well there's okay. Well
I was getting there Sydney, but Sydney is here. I'm sorry, Paul,
I forgot to mention that. I totally forgot that. She
was also on the phone. What was weird though? Because
(04:17):
she didn't think it was weird. She thought it was great,
So what was weird for you?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No, it was totally weird. I was telling her.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So I'm helping out one of my friends through like
this really ugly, ugly breakup his ex.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He caught his ex cheating and he like walked in
on it.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And so it's been really hard for my buddy, and
so I've been there for I'm telling her this story
and she goes, oh, like yeah, I mean it's okay
for for somebody to cheat in a relationship. And I
just wait, wait what And she just looks me dead
the eye and says, well, yeah, I mean men are.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Allowed to cheat. My man's allowed to cheat as long
as long as he's respectful. And she was respect like,
how do I respectfully cheat.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, I guess there's there's respectful boundaries or respectful
understanding of what is allowed in a relationship and what
is not. But inherently cheating is lying.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yep, yep, yep. And so I told her.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
She told me this, and I just looked at her
and I said, you're you're describing like an open relationship
or polyamory or something like that, and I'm not into it.
I think it's kind of disrespectful for you to dismiss
what happened to my friend.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And she was just adamant.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
She goes, no, no, no, like cheating is fine, It's
just got to be respect.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
She just kept saying respectful, respect, respectful respect. Okay, I
got it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well let me ask Sydney, why, how what is respectful cheating?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, I think all men cheat. I just don't want
to know about it. But respectful cheating to me is
one is mine. You know what you're doing. I think
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let me just be clear, Sidney, if I'm dating you,
I'm respecting you by sleeping with other women and not
telling you about it.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yes, yes, who hurt you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Like who hurt you.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A problem with it. I think as long as you
are doing what you want to do in the relationship
that you don't tell me anything about it, that's perfectly fine.
I don't want to know about it. I don't want
to know about it. But if you want to go
out and have all the fun, whether any type of woman,
you want to go out and do that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Don't tell me?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Is this because lord? Is this because you want to cheat? Sydney?
Like it is it that you want to be in
an open relationship? Because just let's just call it what
it is? Or do? I mean? Why? Why is if
it's okay for your partner, then is it okay for you?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, yes, I am so.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Then why don't we just call.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
This what it is?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's an open relationship. Why don't we just say from
the beginning, like you want to see other people, you
want your partner to be able to see other people.
Why are we calling it cheating?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Then?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
If this is what your expectation is of a relationship,
that both sides can be free, then that's I don't know,
that's not cheating, respectfully, that's an open relationship. And I
realize I'm I'm labeling things here, but I mean, just
for the clarity, it doesn't really make sense what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think it's more fun to be ambiguous. I think
it's more fun to call it cheating respectfully and to
not have any labels whatsoever, and then to go out
and do what you'd like and then not tell me
about it. I mean, it's the same way for me, though,
I could go out and do anything I want.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Sydney, it's I'm still on the phone too. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You're having the same conversation with him that you were
having with me. You are not listening, Like, first of all,
if I'm on the radio, can I just say I
want to make it clear, like hello, Hello, I am
not a cheater.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't cheat.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And I like to go into a relationship with saying
I'm going to respect you by not sleeping with a
million other women while I'm seeing you. And again, like Sidney,
you're you're just confused or maybe you're hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
But you're you looking for an open relationship and I
hope you find it, I truly do, but you're not
going to find it with me, you'll probably find it
with I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know two or three other guys.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
If I'm being completely.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Honest, I just I don't think that's a it's at
a relationship like it's not. He's looking for a committed relationship.
You're looking for an open relationship. It's that simple. This
sole cheating thing. Is that like a fantasy of yours? Like,
are you into the idea of someone sneaking around on you?
Or does that keep you on your toes like that
you wonder if someone's sneaking around on you.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I live with the thrill of it. Yeah, I definitely
live for the thrill of it. I love the idea
of it more than I would say I would. I
don't know's how to think, but I could say that
if I'm going into a relationship or as you were
all saying, an open relationship, still, I wouldn't want anybody
(08:49):
to tell me what's going on. I still stand by
the fact that all men and cheat. I just don't
want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, well he doesn't, and he's saying he wants a
more traditional relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Kay, caseaid these people straight.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, I'm here for her if she wants if
she wants to live her life this way, girl living,
But what you're gonna get is a trip to the clinic.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Okay. If you don't want people to be honest with
you about what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, that's an Yeah, that's a that's a whole different topic.
Is Yeah, I feel like you're asking for problems here
without the transparency. And you got to know, Cidy, Look,
you can live however you want to live and whatever,
you know, whatever gets your rocks off, good for you.
But you've got to understand a lot of people are
not going to be into that. Like a lot of
people's definition of a relationship, and I'm not saying it's
right or wrong, but I think most people's definition of
(09:32):
a committed relationship is one on one, not one on
one plus cheating.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right, Yeah, that's fair. I got that. I honestly, I
think I'm personally right in what I'm saying, Okay, and
I'm going to stand by it. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I think you're probably right, but a lot of people
that love to cheat on you girl. All right, Well
it's not for Paul and it's not going to be
for everybody. And I guess city he's okay with that
and Sydney. There you have it. So he's got into that,
into those parameters. He wants something more traditional. You want
something different, and I hope that you find it. I
wish you the best of luck, Paul. I wish you
(10:12):
luck as well.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Thank thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Thank you,
I've ever been left waiting by the phone. It's the
Fred Show. Sidney, Welcome to the show. How are you hi?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm well, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's going on with this guy?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Paul?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Tell us everything? How did you guys meet? Tell us
about any dates you've been on, and then why do
you think you're being ghosted?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Awesome?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
So Paul and I met at a bar a few
weekends ago. We flirted all night. I gave him my number,
and he asked me out for sushi. So this is
probably about our second third date. It was fun, he
seemed intriguing.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We had a great banter, and after our date, the
sushi date, he ended up being cold to me. I'm
frustrated because I don't know why he was so cold
to me. And after that date he kind of just disappeared.
So I'm here to figure out why why he ghost
to me. After our date, I thought it went well.
I'm really interested in him and I want to know
(00:51):
if we can go on the second date.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, all right, because you met you met in a
wild and we talk about this all the time. That matters, right,
if you meet somebody in person, that mattered versus the
dating apps or the websites or whatever, because you can
gauge chemistry. You know what they look like, you know,
you know if you're instantly attracted to them, you already
know a little bit about the conversation and stuff, so
that's usually a good sign. And then you go on
a date and you can just spend more time together.
(01:14):
And you felt, genuinely, you felt like that went well,
You like you're really puzzled.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, yes, exactly. I'm really frustrated. I'm really confused as
to why he would just disappear, and I'm even more
confused as to why he was so cold to me.
We had great banter.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, And it's frustrating too, because when you finally meet
someone that you want to hang out with and then
for some reason they disappear and you don't know why. Uh,
that's frustrating on a lot of levels. So let's call
this guy Paul in just a second, Sydney. You'll be
on the phone at the same time. And I don't
want you to say anything right at first, but at
some point you're welcome to jump in on the call.
And the hope, as always is that we can figure
out what's going on. Hopefully it's he can explain it,
(01:51):
and maybe he's been busy or who knows, and we'll
set you guys up on another date that we pay for.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sound good, sounds great?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's see what happens next. Part two of What the
Phone after this song on The Fred Show. Good morning,
It's the Fred Show. Part two of Waiting by the Phone. Hey, Sydney,
all right, welcome back. Let's call this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Paul.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You met actually out and exchange phone numbers, and then
you went on a date. You went out for sushi.
You thought the date was fun. You know, he was interesting,
the banter was good. But he's been very cold or
non existent since the date. And you want to know
what happened because you know, usually when he meets someone
out in public and hit it off and then go
on a date and a date that you thought went
(02:30):
well at that, it's like, well, why wouldn't we keep talking,
why wouldn't we go out again? Right? Let's call this
guy and figure this out right now? Good luck, Sydney,
Thank you? No is this Paul? Yes, hey Paul, good morning.
(02:51):
My name is Fred. I'm calling for the Fred Show,
the morning radio show, and I have to tell you
that we are on the radio right now, and I
would need your permission to continue with the call, can
which at just a second? Would you mind?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Wait? What hold on? What is that?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Can we just can we chat for a second on
the radio. I just need you to say yes on
the radio.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't know, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, yes, yes, thank you. So we're calling on behalf
of a woman named Sidney, who I guess you met
out recently and then you went on a sushi date
with Do you remember this woman?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah? Yeah, how do you know? How do you know?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, Well, because she reached out to us and and
told us about you and meeting you and your date
and she felt like everything went really well. But she
says that she hasn't that you've been cold since the
date or non existent, and she feels like you're ghosting
her after what she thought was a great date.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So is that true? Are you ghosting? I mean, what happened?
Ah man, that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Yeah, yes, I know. I mean, I'm not trying to
ghost I just it was just a it was a
weird date.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's a weird date. And I mean that you're you're right,
you're accurate. What you said is true. We went out
for sushi, but it was just weird conversation. I guess, Okay,
well what does that mean? Oh well there's okay. Well
I was getting there Sydney, but Sydney is here. I'm sorry, Paul,
I forgot to mention that. I totally forgot that. She
was also on the phone. What was weird though? Because
(04:17):
she didn't think it was weird. She thought it was great,
So what was weird for you?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No, it was totally weird. I was telling her.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So I'm helping out one of my friends through like
this really ugly, ugly breakup his ex.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
He caught his ex cheating and he like walked in
on it.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And so it's been really hard for my buddy, and
so I've been there for I'm telling her this story
and she goes, oh, like yeah, I mean it's okay
for for somebody to cheat in a relationship. And I
just wait, wait what And she just looks me dead
the eye and says, well, yeah, I mean men are.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Allowed to cheat. My man's allowed to cheat as long
as long as he's respectful. And she was respect like,
how do I respectfully cheat.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, I guess there's there's respectful boundaries or respectful
understanding of what is allowed in a relationship and what
is not. But inherently cheating is lying.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yep, yep, yep. And so I told her.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
She told me this, and I just looked at her
and I said, you're you're describing like an open relationship
or polyamory or something like that, and I'm not into it.
I think it's kind of disrespectful for you to dismiss
what happened to my friend.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And she was just adamant.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
She goes, no, no, no, like cheating is fine, It's
just got to be respect.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
She just kept saying respectful, respect, respectful respect. Okay, I
got it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well let me ask Sydney, why, how what is respectful cheating?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, I think all men cheat. I just don't want
to know about it. But respectful cheating to me is
one is mine. You know what you're doing. I think
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let me just be clear, Sidney, if I'm dating you,
I'm respecting you by sleeping with other women and not
telling you about it.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yes, yes, who hurt you? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Like who hurt you.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A problem with it. I think as long as you
are doing what you want to do in the relationship
that you don't tell me anything about it, that's perfectly fine.
I don't want to know about it. I don't want
to know about it. But if you want to go
out and have all the fun, whether any type of woman,
you want to go out and do that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Don't tell me?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Is this because lord? Is this because you want to cheat? Sydney?
Like it is it that you want to be in
an open relationship? Because just let's just call it what
it is? Or do? I mean? Why? Why is if
it's okay for your partner, then is it okay for you?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, yes, I am so.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Then why don't we just call.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
This what it is?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's an open relationship. Why don't we just say from
the beginning, like you want to see other people, you
want your partner to be able to see other people.
Why are we calling it cheating?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Then?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
If this is what your expectation is of a relationship,
that both sides can be free, then that's I don't know,
that's not cheating, respectfully, that's an open relationship. And I
realize I'm I'm labeling things here, but I mean, just
for the clarity, it doesn't really make sense what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think it's more fun to be ambiguous. I think
it's more fun to call it cheating respectfully and to
not have any labels whatsoever, and then to go out
and do what you'd like and then not tell me
about it. I mean, it's the same way for me, though,
I could go out and do anything I want.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Sydney, it's I'm still on the phone too. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
You're having the same conversation with him that you were
having with me. You are not listening, Like, first of all,
if I'm on the radio, can I just say I
want to make it clear, like hello, Hello, I am
not a cheater.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I don't cheat.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And I like to go into a relationship with saying
I'm going to respect you by not sleeping with a
million other women while I'm seeing you. And again, like Sidney,
you're you're just confused or maybe you're hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
But you're you looking for an open relationship and I
hope you find it, I truly do, but you're not
going to find it with me, you'll probably find it
with I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Know two or three other guys.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
If I'm being completely.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Honest, I just I don't think that's a it's at
a relationship like it's not. He's looking for a committed relationship.
You're looking for an open relationship. It's that simple. This
sole cheating thing. Is that like a fantasy of yours? Like,
are you into the idea of someone sneaking around on you?
Or does that keep you on your toes like that
you wonder if someone's sneaking around on you.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I live with the thrill of it. Yeah, I definitely
live for the thrill of it. I love the idea
of it more than I would say I would. I
don't know's how to think, but I could say that
if I'm going into a relationship or as you were
all saying, an open relationship, still, I wouldn't want anybody
(08:49):
to tell me what's going on. I still stand by
the fact that all men and cheat. I just don't
want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, well he doesn't, and he's saying he wants a
more traditional relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Kay, caseaid these people straight.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, I'm here for her if she wants if
she wants to live her life this way, girl living,
But what you're gonna get is a trip to the clinic.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Okay. If you don't want people to be honest with
you about what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, that's an Yeah, that's a that's a whole different topic.
Is Yeah, I feel like you're asking for problems here
without the transparency. And you got to know, Cidy, Look,
you can live however you want to live and whatever,
you know, whatever gets your rocks off, good for you.
But you've got to understand a lot of people are
not going to be into that. Like a lot of
people's definition of a relationship, and I'm not saying it's
right or wrong, but I think most people's definition of
(09:32):
a committed relationship is one on one, not one on
one plus cheating.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right, Yeah, that's fair. I got that. I honestly, I
think I'm personally right in what I'm saying, Okay, and
I'm going to stand by it. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I think you're probably right, but a lot of people
that love to cheat on you girl. All right, Well
it's not for Paul and it's not going to be
for everybody. And I guess city he's okay with that
and Sydney. There you have it. So he's got into that,
into those parameters. He wants something more traditional. You want
something different, and I hope that you find it. I
wish you the best of luck, Paul. I wish you
(10:12):
luck as well.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Thank thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Thank you,
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Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.