11/17/25 - The Tony & Mo Football Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Zach Taylor is speaking with the media right now. Let's
go to the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Likely right now, this Frank injury, so so that'll take
him out cam sample. We're still working through. That could
be a week to week thing for him with his oblique.
Any other you can ask me about any of the
guys that aren't hitting my head right now, I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Chamar what kind of led to him getting placed on
IR timing of we did give the nature of when
the injury occurred.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, you you had all that time to gather all
the information to decide if we thought it was going
to be a four week injury or not whish it is.
So we had through the bye week, if I'm not mistaken, right,
and then all the way up to Saturday before and
so there was really no reason to do before then,
even though we knew that's where it was.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Training Joe, Okay, sure, I just helped, Yes, but Trey
this week, he's doubtful right now? Okay, you have a
timetable on Trey.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
No, we just keep taking a week's week, Zach.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Give you had conversations with Jamar about what happened yesterday
in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
I have, Yeah, I'll just keep that to myself.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
You are you concerned about the image of the organization
being really under a lot of criticism nationally, And I'm
just curious what the conversations are like internally that you
have all the time with Mike and Katie and Troy
on on matters like that.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, first of all, I've always been impressed with how
Jamar has handled himself because he is in a lot
of these situations where he's got a target as a
test top player. He gets a lot of respect that way,
and so guys try to do a lot of things
to get his attention and get him off his game.
And I've always thought it was unbelievable Always handled himself
in some really high pressure emotional decisions. Obviously, what happened

(02:26):
just crossed my line. We can't have that, and I
know he'll own up to that. But beyond that, I've
always had up here and praise Jamar because he's he's
one of the best leaders we've got. The way he
goes about everything, he plays with the tumbel of emotion.
He plays with a ton of leadership. Our guys respond
to that, and I've always appreciated Always handled himself, and.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
He has the reason.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
I ask you, as you're really the only one you
have to talk to a new organization that can reflect
how the organization fels after a really unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Ugly moment like yesterday, Yeah, how do you feel? How
do they feel? Well?

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Again?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I just Jamar is one of my favorite Probably love
how this guy handles everything that he's been a part of.
So making one mistake doesn't doesn't disregard everything this guy's
done that's been positive for us, And so I think
that's what you're asking. I really don't know what you're asking.
But again, I can't say enough positive things about Jamar
and think about the amount of situations people have tried

(03:23):
to put him in and the way that he's always responded.
And we're not all perfect. We're going to make a
mistake here and there. But I stand by Jamar and
I know is an emotional situation. I know there's a
lot of things going on there that lead to things
like that, and and again we'll just continue to move
forward from the lead.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Now, I haven't I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Do you anticipate having Jamoar?

Speaker 6 (03:46):
I'm not going to make any I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Is it someone disappointing given how much he had met
out to be a captain this year and made a
lot of strides and how he kind of handled himself,
especially with us maybe on the field, and for him
to kind of have this said.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, no again. People are allowed to make a mistake.
So that's all I'll say about it.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
With cam out, did Josh step in as a starter
or do you look at your options there?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, we'll keep walking through what was our best fit
as we go through the week, hard to say it
on Monday, but we'll get through practice and see where
that lands.

Speaker 9 (04:18):
Yes, this is a two part question, But how did
Joe's beat go in terms of comfort?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
How did he tell you, guys he fell in?

Speaker 9 (04:26):
Really your record play into your decision on if you
were only to let him play the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
The starting point is he did seven on seven last week,
came out of the week feeling good, and so then
this week the plan will be let's get the Wednesday
and see if we can work in some eleven on
eleven and go from there. So I think before we
ever do that, there's no reason to have a discussion
on what the timeline is beyond that, because there's just
steps we got to follow. Seven on seven great did
an individual and now we continue with the rehab phase

(04:54):
next week, and that's eleven on eleven.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
That's getting bodies around.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Him, seeing how he feels, seeing how he moves, And
so until we on any of that, there's no reason
for me to speculat and where it's.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Going to be record impacted at all or that.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think right now he's of the mindset that he
wants to play football for us, and so again it's
we'll just continue to get through his rehab progression and
see where that ends up before we make any decision
on how we want to pursue.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
And he does get through that, and since he wants.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
To play it, I'll just wait to see.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'll wait to see how we get through the rehab
progression first before I answer those questions.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
I appreciate the effort.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Though, isn't the same over try as well? Injury wise?
Is it is it just health or is it based
on record to a certain degree as.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Well, it's it's him feeling healthy, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Reflected on kind of what didn't go like for y'all
enough yesterday, what's the biggest seat that jumps out?

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Well, that was always going to be a really grimmy game.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's when you when you go on the road in
the division versus difficult opponent with the conditions. It shouldn't
surprise anybody when the score is thirteen to nine, you know,
late in the third quarter with us having a chance
to drive it. So then the two turnovers that led
to point changes the whole narrative of the game. So
probably realistically that game, we if we possessed the ball

(06:07):
and don't have any turnovers and the turn about zero zero.
It's probably very similar to the Week eighteen game last
year when we were up there eighteen to sixteen or
whatever it is with the team with the ball with
a chance to win at the end. But when you
lose the turno battle two to nothing and that leads
directly to fourteen points, then that's the way that the
game ends like that, and we didn't give ourselves a
great chance to finish that the way we wanted to.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Oay, but it's probably gonna be it for him, Yes, surgery.
He's not for the year right.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
I don't have that information yet.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I don't know, but if he did, that would probably be.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
I don't know. I shouldn't speculate.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I have very limited information of wrapped up all this
with the team briefly met with the trainers. All the
information I had is there's a very likely chance of surgery.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
That's all I know.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
How do you feel like he obviously had some ups
and downs this year? How do you feel like he
How would.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
You sell him up? His year to date?

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Alsome up what it was? Most recently?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I thought he came out and competing for us recently,
you know, after going through a lot of adversity. I
thought his response was the right one. He went out
there and competed and physical and did everything we asked
and had a great attitude and brought energy to the group.
And so it's unfortunate that, you know, we had the
injury we dealt with yesterday, because as you guys know,
cam caames a likable guy.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
He's energetic. You want to pull for him.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I was happy to see him rebound off some
adversity and the struggles that he had earlier in the
year to come back and play the way that we
expected him to play.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
That was good to see. And it's unfortunate. Word it
stands now.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
We talked a lot about tackling in here this year.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
How concerned you.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
When you watch yesterday's tape and some of the effort
in some of the tackles and some of the that
aspect of it beyond anything.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Else, Yeah, I do, I understand. Some of it looks
looks bad. You can't run from that. And the hard
part was there were some situations we were great on
first and second down. We got him into the situations
we wanted, you know, second, long, third and long, and
then you just got to get a guy down in space,
and we didn't do a good enough job of that.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
So I can't say a lot more about it.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
We've we've talked about it, we talked about it in industry,
we work on it, We do every technique we can
possibly do in the game. We just gotta we gotta
let it happen, and it hasn't happened on a consistent basis.
There were some examples just through that were really good,
you know, some that maybe hadn't shown up as much,
but I thought there were some really good ones. One
from JV stands up on the perimiter, Jordan Batllle, Dax Hill,
came Tabor Britt fitting up, you know, pin in the hips.

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So there were some that I thought were really good.
And then some obviously where we've got to be better
to get us off the field on some critical moments.

Speaker 10 (08:23):
And he said, you know, you don't at disicipate any
personality because tackling.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Why why is that not an answer? Well, tackling is
not the only thing we have to factor in.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
We have to factor in knowledge of the defense and
ability to get lined up and play coverages and respond
to the run game. And so there's more than just tackling.
It's frustrating when tackling is an issue, but there's a
lot more that goes into whether player players or not.
We factor in everything, and we talk about these things
every week on whether we want to make a personal
decision or not. But there's just more that's got a
factor into it than than one element of his game.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
And there are times, I'm sure there's been.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Times where there's been one element that's been a deciding
factor on whether guys players or not. But I think
in some of these cases that you're probably bringing up,
there's more to it that plays into it, and we
have to make a sound decision. We're not afraid to
make a decision if we think that there's a better
way to approach it. If we don't know that there's
a better way to necessarily approach something, then then we'll
keep trying to fix the ones with the guys we.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Got when it comes to.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I'm not going to make any proclamations here on Monday
because we're still in the raw review phase, but we'll
get to Winnesdany Seward into.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
About it six weeks.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
So you guys went with the rookie linebackers I'm curious
kind of looking and they've hailed a little while, they've
had the ups and downs. Has the process gone about
how you expected it would go, or what have you
learned from this process?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, I think there's there's been some some serious pros
to it. I thought, operationally, these two guys that are
a great job running the show yesterday and put us
in a really good position, and let let help the
defense do some some really good things that we can
continue to build off of. And they're still going to
go through their their growing pains a little bit, and
I know you're at the halfway point of the season
and you want to work through that.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
There's certainly a lot on their plate.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Two of them playing together, to rickis together, Warren certainly
goes in there and does a good job as well
spelling them. So again, I continue to see progress being made,
and that's that's what we're asking those guys. Keep making progress,
eliminate the same mistakes over and over. They've got tremendous
attitudes that they are helpent on playing at a very
high level this season and helping this defense help us

(10:19):
win games. When it comes to tackling, if it's a
matter of just going out there and doing it.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Is that a question of effort? Then?

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Then what is it a question of them?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Like I understand it's just going out there and doing it,
but like what does it take to go out there
and technique?

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, techniques to be part of it.

Speaker 11 (10:34):
So when you have questions about leadership and culture, and
I wonder when you see someone like Jamar have an
incident yesterday, which is probably an outlier, Yes, you would say,
throughout his career, do you worry that the trend, the
overall trend line wins and losses results, is eroding culture

(10:56):
in this locker room and maybe causing guys to depart
the professionalism that you know them to have.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think it's a great question because it's something when
you're losing you have to be extremely mindful of. It's
much easier to navigate when you're winning and everyone's happy
and things are easy that way. It's incredibly difficult to
lead when there's adversity. When you've lost seven of your
last eight games, that's when the real work has come in.

(11:23):
That's where you see true leaders emerge, and it's not easy.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
You have to fight for it every day.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I've probably had twelve conversations in my office this morning,
because it's the foundation of everything we got to build
this thing on, is our relationships and sticking together because
there's a lot of adversity here. I think Jamar Chase
is will go down as one of my favorite all
time players and favorite all time leaders and everything he's about.
So I keep hearing this, it's like we're trying to
make something out of the situation that it's the only

(11:50):
thing that's kind of upset me as I'm sitting in
here because for a guy that has done everything we
can to build our organization around, he's been off not perfect.
I'm not perfect, I trust me. I mad plenty of
mistakes yesterday people don't see on camera. Unfortunately his what
was and so he's going to have to own up
for that and that will be part of his journey.
He's still in some ways, he's a veteran, He's still

(12:12):
I think he's going to play a long time and
so when you look at the overall part of his career,
this will be the beginning of his career in a
lot of words, in a lot of ways. So again,
I just we're going to move past that. And he's
a guy that we're going to continue to depend on.
He's a guy I'll put at the forefront of any
leadership group I ever have for the rest of my life.
When I retire, I'll bring Jamar Chase in as a
as a board member of whatever leadership group I create

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to talk to to people I want him to talk to.
So I hope you understand my position on this because
he's he's a guy who's done everything he could possibly
could to help us win and do things the right way.

Speaker 9 (12:47):
I'm sorry, but as you've had some of these conversations
with guys, have you seen individuals beyond maybe the guys
with the seat on their jersey, have you seen strong
leaders emerge?

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah? I think everyone has to do it in their
own way. They can't.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
The biggest mistake you can make is asking too much
out of somebody when that's just not in their DNA.
That's not how they operate, that's not how they lead.
Plenty of great leadership. It's just guys leading by example
and doing it the right way. And so guys feed
off of that, and they know that when they do
finally speak the once a year they speak, it's a
guy that they've earned a lot of respect for and
we got a lot of guys in the locker room

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like that, Guys that I would never put in a
position to stay in front of the team and hey,
give a speech on Saturday night, because that's just not
putting them in the best position.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
You can lead a lot of different ways.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
You can lead just by encouraging another guy your position
that's maybe going through some struggles. You can lead by
just just practicing hard and letting other guys see that
you're doing it that way. So there's a lot of
different forms of leadership. I hate the record we have,
I hate the position we're in. The silver lining is

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you learn it so much about people right now that
when we're going to be back up here, you've found
out a lot about who handles adversity and who can
be in the thicke. It is because we're in the NFL,
there's a lot of these moments. I've been in a
lot of them, and I know what can be on
the other side, and I know how to get there,
and I know that we're going to get there. And
so again, the only silver lining to losing is I

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get to know.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Who needs to be a part of the journey.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Going forward, and I see a lot of guys in
the locker room, I see the coach. I mean, it's
just there's a lot of guys that I depend on,
that I know I can depend on and they'll have
my back and I have theirs.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
What would your message be to the NFL as they
evaluate Jamar and everything status.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think the proof is in the putting with how
he's represented himself that.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Over and over and over.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
That's sorry that being said about the silver linings, At
what point do y'all need to kind of make sure
that you have more returns than kind of finding a
glimmer of hope.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
Oh, that's we have to win. You have to.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
You know that, that's our whole business.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
It eats us.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Every loss eats us alive, you know, And sometimes we
have to remove the emotion of it because we have
to turn around on Monday and get ready for New England. Like,
we can't spend too much time on the emotional part
of it. So, even though it affects us more than
you can ever imagine, part of what I've had to
learn as a coach and a head coach is I
got to take the emotion out of it, and I
got to get back to work, and I got to

(15:18):
find ways to get the best out of people and
put together great scheme and go out there Sunday and
have a chance to win. And let the emotion for
the people that can't control it, the people that don't
get to put together game plan and don't get to
go practice. I would be emotional too if I didn't
have any control, you know, And I see the team.
I support losing games and not putting the product on
the field that we know we're capable of. And so

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I understand that whole part of it, and we're just
going to keep working and do everything we can. I
know that there's wins in this football team, and we
have to show that. That's our whole job, and so
we can't run from that. We can't make excuses for that.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
We have to win.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
We got to find a way to do it, and
we're helping on find that way.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Sometimes the hardest things sack. You know this as a coach.
It's forgetting about what happened in the past.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
You can't worry about it moving forward.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
Is that also part of your message that going forward
we stuck to the best week it is.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
It's got to hurt you. You get it has to
hurt you. You can't. You can't get to that point
where you're numb to losing.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's a bad place to be, and unfortunately that's that's
We've done a lot of that. But but we can't
numb ourselves to that. It's still got to feel the
pain when you walk off the field and the mistakes
that you make and the opportunities that you missed. It's
still got to feed you moving forward. But we also
can't forget what winning does for us. Just just one
win can change the whole trajectory of every season. And

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why not this week We're gonna put everything we got
into it again. I believe in everybody we got and
we're gonna fight to find this win this week.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
That makes said, do you feel Do you feel that enough?
Guys feel that same way A lot.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I do.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yeah, I do, I really do. I see it.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know the DNA of a team When you watch
in practice after the losses we've had and you see
them go out there and just continue to compete. You
would see guys, you would see the lack of day's
cliff for showing up. You'd see the mistakes, you'd see
the finger pointing. There's none of that that shows up
on the tape, and maybe sometimes you wish it was
because you could explain, you know, the losses is a
little bit better, but but I haven't seen that, And

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that's that's a positive that these guys are still fighting
like crazy because it's important to him and they want
to get it done.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
And again, we just we had.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Our opportunities in the game yesterday, late third quarter, that
thing turned on us, and we've got to do a
better job.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Finish in the game.

Speaker 12 (17:21):
What kind of relationship do you have with Mike Rabel
and what can you say about what he's done in
half a season.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
He's a tremendous job. Number One.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I haven't gotten into their team yet. You know, we're
still early here on Monday. I've always really liked Mike.
Mike has always treated me really well. We we don't
have much of a personal relationship.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I've never worked with him, I've never really been around him,
but I've always appreciated the respect he's shown me as
a younger guy coming up in the profession, when he's
got all the accolades that he's got and all the
skins on the wall all that I've always I've always
appreciated the interactions we've had and and you know, I
don't wish them well this week obviously, but always a

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guy that I've appreciated how much you respects the game.
I think that's what you see is a great respect
for the game, and I certainly appreciate people that approach
it like that.

Speaker 12 (18:05):
Throughout the year, a lot of the defensive players have
you know, talked about with their struggles, like you know,
if you saw how how well we're practicing during the week,
you know you wouldn't really it doesn't look the same
as it is in a game when when we're missing tackles.
What is it that it just isn't translating from the
from the practice field yet, That's.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Right, I mean, I think that's part of it. Obviously
you're not tackling in practice, but the no note team
is that's just make that clear. So again, I haven't
done this for seven years now. I've seen I've seen
tough practice where it's not great and you have a
bad feeling. I've seen good teams practice, and unfortunately we
haven't capitalized on it fully in the game to be
able to close out some games the way we want.

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We've been close, but we haven't got it done. But
I know that the DNA's in there and we're capable
of doing it, and it's going to take one win
to propel us, and we've got to find a way
to get that first one.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Well, you guys find Burks.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
It was kind of kind of I have to thought
almost I feel I think he split the snaps.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yesterday with Night.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Yeah, he's taken from the leadership wise.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, we're certainly not. He's earned opportunity, and so I
think he's done a great job. He's got a great
understanding what we're trying to achieve on special teams, ain't
on defense, and so we're not afraid to put him
in there. Not really an after thought for us when
we signed him. You know, there was I understand the comment.
I know, I understand, but for us, it wasn't for us.
He was a very deliberate He's he's did a good

(19:27):
job in Philly last year, especially as a starter there
in the playoffs, and he just look at his track
record in San fran and May and Philly and obviously
knows what it takes to win. He's been a part
of multiple multiple NFC championship games and Super Bowls, and
so happy to have him and he'll continue to play
from maybe the last Well, it's just I think just stability, maturity.

(19:48):
He's a professional man, He's he's been a great example
for a lot of progress.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Zach.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Do you get a sense of the frustration around the
city from fans kind of as the season kind of
goes the way it does in the last couple of years,
how they've went, you get a sense of a frustration
that's kind.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Of I'm not oblivious. I have to isolate myself. I
have to That's the only way I can function. And
I think that's understandable. But you also, again, it's no
one puts more pressure on us than I do on
myself to get it right.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
And so.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm not oblivious to frustration. And I know what our
record is, and so that would lead to that, And
I don't blame anybody for feeling that way. It's it's
our job as a as an NFL team to go
find wins and create energy and joy in this fan
base and our organization, in our locker room, coaching staff.
Winning Winning helps everybody do their job. The next day

(20:39):
the next week, and I want nothing more than that.
And I know if if we can stream together some wins,
we'll start to build build, build some some optimism. But
but first we've got to show a step in the
right direction. I'm doing that.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
So until we do that, I understand how difficult it is.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
This this, here's been a Zach Taylor press conference on
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long Zach Taylor press conference. I think the press conference
is less important than the game itself. But because we
only have about a minute here before we break again
to get back on time. Any takeaway from Zach Taylor's
media session, Tony.

Speaker 15 (22:49):
It's hard for me to believe that anything inside the
building is gonna change when it sounds like the same
press conference weekend and week out, that's my biggest thing.
It just doesn't sound like there's urgency, it doesn't sound
like there's accountability. It's just same old, same, like weeks ago.
Zach had no problem in his press conference saying that

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he went and had a conversation with Chase Brown because
of what he said after the game, and we mentioned
that's what I want leaders to do. I want leaders
to hold people accountable. Now we're not disclosing any conversations
that we're had. Zach has already said he's not going
to move on or not going to make any personnel changes,
not going to share anything on the Jamar Chase side
of things.

Speaker 16 (23:30):
It just it doesn't feel like.

Speaker 15 (23:33):
A situation where anything is changing or anything's urgent in
the building.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, there was no urgency to yesterday's performance. No, so
I would expect no urgency today. There is a lot
to talk about and a lot from yesterday's game to me,
just felt painfully inevitable. I know folks aren't interested in
Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey, and we're going to talk
about it. I don't have the band to do three

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hours on spitting.

Speaker 16 (24:02):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And frankly, while that is a significant story and one
we will talk about, that wasn't the biggest thing about
yesterday's game. No, the biggest things about yesterday's game was
how poorly coach the Bengals looked, how bad the defense
wasn't crunch time, the fact that Joe Flacco, perhaps very
physically compromised, turned into a pumpkin, the fact that the

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team played with no urgency, like the Jamar Chase spit video,
which the one thing I'll say for Zach Taylor is
he at least didn't try to insult our intelligence by
telling us that he either didn't see it or that
Jamar didn't spit because he did. That is a footnote
and a side show, and unfortunately a part of I

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We are here till six at the end of the day.
I guess my big takeaway from yesterday is how did
we not see this coming? They're a team playing with
a forty year old backup quarterback who's physically compromised. He
has a shoulder injury. It might have been made worse yesterday,

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but he has a shoulder injury. He did not throw
it during wednesday's practice. The Steelers made an adjustment to
how they played the Bengals. We talked about it so
much after the first game, God, why are they playing
so much man demand? Well, it would then seem to
me that it would be logical to assume the Steelers
in the second game would switch it up and play zone.
They did. Bengals had no answer. Didn't play with any urgency,

(27:41):
didn't play with any urgency all season long, didn't in
the fourth quarter yesterday. That's not surprising. And when Al
Golden's defense is put in a position where you can
affect the game, you can give your team a chance
to win, you knew they wouldn't because they haven't all
year long. And that's exactly what happened in the fourth
quarter yesterday. Game felt even though I thought they had

(28:02):
a shot to win, so much so that last week
I said they would, the way the game unfolded, to
me at least felt painfully inevitable.

Speaker 15 (28:08):
That's the problem is that losses are now becoming normal,
and the ways in which they are losing are now
becoming normal.

Speaker 16 (28:17):
The Jets loss the Bears loss.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
Those should not be occurrences that happen in back to
back weeks, let alone the same time in the season,
and then yesterday we get the exact same thing. Offensively,
you call it what it is. They let Jamar Chase
catch sixteen passes on twenty three targets in Cincinnati on
Thursday Night football. You knew they got criticized for running
man to man. They weren't gonna come out, and yet

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it looked like the Bengals had no answer for zone
defense and zone pressures. Not sure how that's a thing.
They were unable to get Jamar Chase going. And what
did we hear after the game again a phrase that
we've heard due often during Zach Taylor's tenure. They did
a really good job of game planning to take Jamar
Chase out of the game. Do we have to have
this same conversation today of you shouldn't let another team

(29:03):
dictate who you have and who you can go to. No, well,
we've already done that so many times you just become
numb to it. The defensive side of the ball, I
know they gave opportunities to the offense in the first
half in the second half, Mason Rudolph was the quarterback,
and in the second half the Pittsburgh Steelers, outside of
a kneel down on the final possession, had two drives.

Speaker 16 (29:24):
Two drives, both.

Speaker 15 (29:26):
Multiple ten play drives in which Mason Rudolph, in bad
field conditions in high winds, converted on third and two,
third and eleven, third and seventeen, third and one and
third and eleven, third and long. Should not be converted
that easily in the NFL. And oh, by the way,
wasn't throwing the ball twenty yards down the field. It

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was a dump off to Darnell Washington in which multiple
Bengals made business decisions to not.

Speaker 16 (29:52):
Make a tackle.

Speaker 15 (29:53):
It was a dump off to Kenneth Gainwell where no
one wanted to tackle in space. It is the same
thing that we've seen plague this defense game in and
game out. The linebackers, the safeties are an issue. Joe
Flacco's health, in my opinion, is an issue. If I'm
sitting back on the TV and I can say, well,
with the win and Joe Flacco's arm, it looks like

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his arm angle is a little bit compromised. He's not
as accurate guess who else can pick up on that
the Steelers, so they start jumping the short routes that
leads to a pick six. Next thing, you know, Joe Flacco,
as you mentioned last week, starting to turn into a
little bit of a pumpkin. The Jalen Ramsey and Jamar
Chase thing is a mess. Everything about this team right

(30:36):
now is a mess. And the Jalen Ramsey and Jamar
Chase thing actually covered up one of the worst decisions
of the Zach Taylor era, which we'll dive into, I'm
sure at some point, the drive which they use two
timeouts and then a couple of plays later take a
delay of game only to settle for a field goal
on a drive that felt like they were playing up
eleven and not down eleven.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And yet, in spite of everything you just outlined, with
nine to forty one to go with a backup quarterback,
the Pittsburgh Steelers have the football. Not granted, the Bengals
can't do anything unique on special teams, so Evan McPherson
just wax into the end zone. So Pittsburgh's gonna start
at the thirty five with a backup quarterback. All you

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gotta do is get off the field. Yep, so many
times this year, say what you want about the games,
were the defensive issues or coaching decisions or whatever their
personnel issues are. How many times this year has the
game been still at least somewhat hanging in the balance
in the fourth quarter. Maybe the Bengals are winning, Maybe

(31:40):
the Bengals are losing, but they have a chance to
give the football back to their offense. There they were
yesterday in a similar position to what they have been
in all season long. Right, yep, down a possession, if
you get off the field, you got a chance, You
got a chance, And that crowd is going to start
to express some level of reservation. Right, it's a game

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they need to win. Their quarterback has heard he's got
a bum wrist, and they go down the field. In
twelve plays, they kill six minutes plus worth of clock,
and they salt the game away. Yet again, This was
my question all off season, and I know I keep
coming back to this, but the Bengals keep doing the
same thing. Forget about league average defense. I need a

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defense that, when the game is hanging in the balance,
can get a stop to finish the game, or get
a stop to give the ball back to the quarterback
every single time this year they have failed, and they
failed yesterday. That to me, like, that's the big takeaway.
Two weeks after Zach Taylor said Al Golden's the guy,
two weeks after he insisted, we can have a championship

(32:48):
level defense with what we have.

Speaker 16 (32:49):
No staff changes, no staff change.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Radio silence from Duke Tobin who built this defense. All right,
here's a chance to show you know what that faith
is deserved. Here's a chance to show you, you know
what it's different in the second half of the season.
And instead it was more of the same. Twelve plays,
sixty five yards, six minutes elapsed, They convert on third
and eleven that were stuck on second and fifteen. They

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convert two different third downs, and the Steelers sought the
game away against Al Golan's defense.

Speaker 15 (33:19):
You know, outside of as much as you just said,
what's even more demoralizing is this comes after a bye week,
right right? It comes after Did you watch Sunday Night Football?

Speaker 16 (33:28):
I did.

Speaker 15 (33:29):
Did the Steelers look like the ill prepared team that
had a shortened week. It was the Bengals out of
a bye that looked unprepared, that didn't look ready for
a zone defense on offense, the defense that had no
answer for Mason Rudolph of all people in the second half.
It is it's a comedy of airs. And I go

(33:50):
back to a word on both sides of the ball
that you never want to be used as a team soft. Yep,
they're soft on both sides of the ball. Outside of
a couple players. A defense is soft. The offense is soft.
They don't have guys that are gonna dig their heels
in in the trenches and battle you and fight you
and scratch and claw for every opportunity you get. They

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just go down without a fight. They are that they
don't have the personnel. And if you don't have the personnel,
you got to have the coaching and the development, and
in my opinion, they don't have either of those. And
the head coach just stood up there on the podium
today and essentially is not taking any accountability for what's
happening other than we'll get it figured out. This is
all gonna be so much better when we get it

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figured out, because we're gonna know who the guys are
that are riding with this when this gets turned around.
That's what we're being fed now. When this gets turned around.
How about the captain, the guy that wears the sea
on us chest, Jamar Chase, a day after the video
comes out and you lied. How about just making a
statement today, how about Zach Taylor making a statement today
about Jamar Chase. Instead, this becomes more and more of

(34:57):
an issue because it's not addressed and at the very
core of it's a soft football team on far too
many accounts.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I do want to talk about what you just said
about Zach Taylor and Jamar Chase today and we're gonna
talk about that entire situation coming up in the four
o'clock hour. To me, the bye week was a chance
to hit the reset button, however they decided to do.
He did stretch with end of the day. The bye
week was a chance to hit the reset button. Maybe

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it was a new defensive coordinator they didn't do that.
Maybe it was announcing that there's going to be changes
in the front office that wasn't the case. Maybe it
was gonna be personnel changes, changes, maybe schematically. Whatever it was,
it was going to be the reset button. So there
I was in the fourth quarter yesterday, I going, okay,
if things are indeed different, if out Golan legitimately is

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the guy. If this defense truly is one that you
should move forward with, you get a stop here, and
instead number one, when Mason Rudolph came charging out with
his bad mustache. Nine minutes to go, they need a
field goal to make it a two possession game. And
there isn't one of us who had watched to that
point on a day where the defense did okay ish.
There wasn't one of us who want, you know what,

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this unit's gonna get a stop. There wasn't one of
us who has that drive unfolded, didn't think, you know
what this looks like, exactly what I thought it would
look like. And when they scored the touchdown, there isn't
one of us who didn't shrug our shoulders and go, yeah,
of course, but that was the shot. That moment right
there was the chance to prove, you know what, the
faith in the personnel, the faith in the coordinator, the

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faith in the coaching staff, if you want to go
that far, was justified, was proven. It was validated because
they got to stop in the sort of situation they
haven't gotten one in all year long.

Speaker 15 (36:40):
They failed, They failed in putting the roster together. They
failed during the bye week, like again, that looked like
a team yesterday that played Sunday night football and then
had a quick turnaround to get back to a normalst.

Speaker 16 (36:52):
Sunday game.

Speaker 15 (36:52):
It didn't look like a team coming off of by
Did you see any new wrinkles? Did any new wrinkles
jump out to you? Look pretty basic to me. And
we heard after the game again a phrase as a
Bengal fan we've heard far too many times. They just
did a good job of taking away our our guys.
The score was not indicative mo of what that game
really was, when in reality it was this team. No,

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they're seven points away from being oh to ten. They
are seven points away. They're a miskick in Cleveland, a
questionable pass interference Colin Travis Hunter and a thirty three
to thirty one victory over Aaron Rodgers and that Pittsburgh
team from being h to ten. They are closer to
the bottom than they are getting back to the top.
And if this just status quo continues on, what will

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lead you to believe that anything is going to be different,
What is going to change? What is going to be
the moment that has someone say okay, enough is enough?
Is someone here's my film study today, mondays, you come
back in and you watch the tape, you put the
tape to bed. Who on the defensive side of the
ball stood up today and watched Geno stone if and

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what no part of Darnell Washington who stood up and said, Hey,
that's enough, this isn't acceptable.

Speaker 16 (38:07):
Is anyone on defense able to do that?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now?

Speaker 16 (38:10):
Trey Hendrickson in those meetings, is he watching the game tape?
Do you think?

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Or is he just doing his own thing? Because there's
no one else on the defense that can stand up
and say, Gino, what is this? What is this effort?
They don't have it? And I'll give you one more.
You know, we often talk about like if you're Mike Brown,
if you're Katie and Duke Tobin sits across from you,
you go, why can't you fix this? What I would

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be asking Duke Tobin today is we couldn't have traded
for Kyle dugger Oh.

Speaker 16 (38:43):
That safety who had a pick six yesterday?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
We we did? Did we ask the Patriots about him?

Speaker 16 (38:48):
What they give up? What the Steelers called a.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Couple of firsts? Right?

Speaker 16 (38:52):
Oh, couble of firsts? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
For Kyle Duggar unbelievable legitimately, like, that's a fair question. Yes,
that's not pounding away unnecessary. We got Geno Stone because
he took a pay cut. So Duke, let me get
this straight. I'm watching Geno Stone do his best to
not tackle a player who plays his position, was acquired
by the team that we just played and he had

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a pick six against us? Did we ask? Did did
we investigate whether or not we could get him? But
but you can't ask Duke that question because Duke Tobin
maybe like on a on a cruise around the world
for all I know, I don't know where that guy.

Speaker 15 (39:30):
Credit who asked it today to Zach Taylor. Yes, so
we didn't have it. We don't have a chance to
ask anyone else. So what at least we're getting to
that point, right, Austin made the point today. You know
who makes a lot of special teams tackles BJ jewles?
Oh what position does he play?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Does he play safety?

Speaker 16 (39:45):
Can I see him trying to tackle Darnell Washington?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Is it usually how it works? Like if you're a
if you're a contributing player on special teams, they expand
her role and then you get a chance to play
on the side of the ball where your your normal
position lies.

Speaker 15 (39:59):
We're waiting on Geno Stone like he was a former
first round pick. He was a seventh round pick.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
In his sixth NFL season, who the.

Speaker 16 (40:05):
Baltimore Ravens said, uh, we're good right that in Baltimore's
their secondary is not great. A seventh round pick, and and.

Speaker 15 (40:14):
We're like, we're holding onto Geno Stone like he's this
untapped talent that they're gonna eventually get something out of
by developing more.

Speaker 16 (40:21):
He's not.

Speaker 15 (40:22):
He's a seventh round pick for a reason. He's not
this super fined in the draft. He's not a steal.
A seventh rounder who the Ravens looked at and said,
I'm okay, yeah, I And then who who the Bengals
looked at and said, we're gonna need you to give
some of that money back.

Speaker 16 (40:39):
Who said okay?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
And the remarkable thing about Geno Stone is like he's
the defensive spokesperson after the game.

Speaker 15 (40:45):
Yeah, he's the talking Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Again, I keep talking about Duke Tobin, not through the
lens of frustrated fan. If he works for me, and
I'm asking repeatedly, why can't you fix this? Today's conversation
as Duke, Hey, the guy that had to pick six
against us, the guy who was all over the field
at safety, a position where we're not great at. Did

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you even make the phone call? Did you try? Did
we have a chance to get him? I'm gonna guess
the answers are huh, Duke ton even knows who Kyle
Dugger is. Probably it is seven away from four o'clock.
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Speaker 2 (42:43):
It is the Tony and Moo Football Show from Twin
Peaks in Florence on ESPN fifteen thirty. Moagger with Tonypike,
A little bit of a late start to the hour,
My apologies for that. We are here till six o'clock
day after the Bengals were beaten by the pittsburghs Dealers
thirty four to twelve. We'll get to a loss Saturday
at Nippert Stadium coming up here, and just but a
lost Cincinnati football weekend, and I'm already looking ahead to

(43:08):
next this coming weekend to see if, if anything could
be salvage. I don't think the main headline to yesterday's
game was Jamar Chase spinning at Jalen Ramsey, but it
clearly was a component, and so let's spend some time
on it. We heard Zach Taylor an hour ago. Zach

(43:31):
Taylor was asked questions about Jamar Chase. I do not
expect an NFL head coach to divulge what is said
in a private meeting with one of his players. So
the fact that he was unwilling to tell us what
he told Jamar Chase does not bother me. I think
that is a scenario. And look, we love Jamar Chase

(43:52):
by every account, good guy, good dude, did an extraordinarily
regrettable thing yesterday, and whatever comes his way comes his way.
He lied about it yesterday, he denied it. I have
no other way to take that as being not forthcoming

(44:14):
with the truth, which is a lie. I don't know
that it is completely fair and to Zach Taylor to
put him up there and make him answer questions about
something that he's not that responsible for. So for me,
if i'm Jamar Chase, I go, look, Zach, you're talking
at three, you'll talk at three zero five. I'll come

(44:36):
out at three o'clock. Yeah, and I'll I'll talk about
what happened, and I'll acknowledge that it happened. I'll take responsibility.
If he wants to throw Jalen Ramsey under the bus,
he can do that, and he can answer questions about
the incident, what may lie ahead, what it says about him.
I would have I would have. I would have admired

(44:58):
that I would And he could have done that. He
could have said, look, coach, you're gonna get questions about
what I did. I'll answer them. They should be aimed
at me. Yeah, I'll take the heat, not you. This
isn't this isn't something that you should have to answer to.
And so all right, you know, Zach got the questions.
You may or may not have liked how he handled them.

(45:20):
My bigger issue with Zach Taylor's how he coached the
game yesterday. But Jamar Chase could have spoken today. But
Jamar Chase could have said, look, you got questions about
what happened, ask him to me, not my head coach.

Speaker 15 (45:34):
Yeah, and it's it's a lot of what we talked
about on the bye week. Zach Taylor was asked to
go up there and essentially speak on Duke Tobyin's failures.
Had to do that, and today he had to speak
on Jamar Chase's failure. Look, you you hit it earlier today.
If you if you're someone who has kids, there are
times you're mad, you're disappointed in your kids. Doesn't mean

(45:56):
you care about them less or love the money less, right,
And that's the same. Like, It's not like I'm like, oh,
I can never root for Jamar Chase again. I root
for him just as hard as I always have. But
the thing with this incident, that's a serious offense, no doubt,
spinning on someone dude in their face is serious, and
doing so and then blatantly lying about it after the

(46:18):
game makes it even worse. So today there was an opportunity,
whether it was at three o'clock in a podium or
whether it was in front of your locker with the
media of availability. Guys, I'm not gonna take questions, but
I just want to say I apologize for my actions.
I got caught up in the moment, right, that's not

(46:39):
indicative of who I am. I let something else affect me.
I'm not gonna make any other statements about it, but
I just wanted to get it out there that I apologize.
I shouldn't have lied about it, and it won't happen again.
Then it's done. Then we don't talk about it anymore. Yeah, Now, well,
when's Jamar talk Thursday. Oh, let's wait and see what
he's says Thursday. Let's see what the NFL does. Let's

(47:02):
see what Zach Castes. Now get up on the podium
and be asked multiple times about Jamar Chase or as
teammates or now Joe Flack are going to talk about him, right,
other teammates going to talk about him? Like it's just
this is hard enough, all right? This is unraveling quickly. Yes,
we talked earlier. It feels like you're playing out the

(47:24):
season with two games left and you're not. You've got
to get ready for the hottest team in football and
then you go Baltimore, Buffalo, Baltimore. The last thing you
need to be doing is being hung up on this still.
All it does is create more distraction. That's a distraction,
Trey Hendrickson. Now is becoming a thing. You're gonna get
more questions about Joe Burrow going forward, what's going on

(47:47):
with Shamar Stewart?

Speaker 16 (47:49):
How did that?

Speaker 15 (47:49):
Like all it is, there's just questions upon questions upon questions,
and at the root of it. We're really getting away
from the main issue, and that's how the team's performing
on the field. Yes, we're not addressing what went wrong yesterday.
Zach today wasn't asked at all about the drive in
which he burned two timeouts in the third courter in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I got that at four and twenties. But hold on,
but again, yes.

Speaker 15 (48:13):
But now we're not even getting to the meat of that.
We're not even talking about the play. And you could
we could highlight good things. We could talk about the
old line that the Guards are playing better football, could
talk about Miles Murphy I thought had his best game
as a Bengal yesterday. We could talk about Chase Brown
like there's not just bad. We could talk good as well.

(48:33):
But instead, here's this dark cloud over an organization and
a team now that feels like it is unraveling at
an unbelievably fast clip. And to your point, was it
like that yesterday? Third quarter? It was still in the
in the grass. You're down by a point, Yeah, with
Mason Rudolph at the helm, and you force a third
and eleven, a third and seventeen, a third and eleven,

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and you don't get off the field that the root
of that is in those problems. It's in personnel, it's
in scheme, it's in how the team has been constructed.
You're just now allowing this to add to the add
fuel to the fire.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Two more things on Jamar. Number one, everybody looks at
Jalen Carter the Eagles as the blueprint where spitting incident
before the first play from the scrimmage. He was kicked
out of the game, and the NFL basically ruled that's
the one game suspension. Punishments are meant to be deterrence.

(49:30):
It would be unsurprising to me if the league said, Okay,
we suspended a guy for a game for spitting, and
clearly we stalked at a spitting So guess what the
punishment's now going to be multiple games?

Speaker 16 (49:41):
Well I could see that.

Speaker 15 (49:43):
I could see, well, the punishment didn't get through, So
it's gonna be a game in a higher fine or
it's a game and then it's also another game because
you just blatantly lied about it.

Speaker 16 (49:53):
Right, Like again, it's twenty twenty five.

Speaker 15 (49:57):
You spit on someone on a football field, Yeah, there's
gonna be an angle.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
There should be.

Speaker 15 (50:02):
And by the ways, to the people that are going
at the gentleman from Fox nineteen.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I was gonna go there next.

Speaker 15 (50:10):
For posting that video of doing his job. Get a life,
Like get I'm reading some of these comments of people
threatening this guy or calling this guy names for doing
his job as a reporter and reporting on the news.
Get a life. If after that incident, that's what you're
focused on doing.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I don't know the guy. His name is Austin Brisky.
He works for Fox nineteen. I don't know Austin. Number one.
I think there are people who in his shoes would
have said, I'm not gonna do that because they would
have been fearful of backlash, either from the team or
from fans. Number two, You're exactly right. The job of

(50:52):
a reporter is to observe and report. That's exactly what
he did. One of the key moments in that game
was when Pittsburgh's Jalen Ramsey got thrown out during the
middle of what were a series of heated exchanges between
the two. As a reporter, if you have information that

(51:17):
provides some context as to what was going on between
the two, I think you have an obligation to your
audience to share it.

Speaker 16 (51:24):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I'm not a journalist. I don't know anything about journalism,
quite frankly, but I know that as a reporter, if
you could apply context to something that happened in the
game that was significant, I think you have an obligation
to share it. I would think less of him or
anybody else who had that video and decided to sit

(51:45):
on it. It was out, it was It wasn't in
the locker room, wasn't behind the scenes. It was on
the field during the game, and so I could not
agree more. If your instant reaction is to come after
the reporter who reported, you are a loser.

Speaker 15 (52:01):
Correct, Like I said, oh my, that this would have
never happened to this kid, not done that, Like that's
the first thought.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It's a National Football League game, you.

Speaker 15 (52:12):
Know what this This guy's a turncoat. This guy's reporting
for a local team and he's he's throwing Jamar Chase
under the bus. That's not what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Jamar did something in view that this guy happened to
have a camera pointed at and he shared the information
that he has.

Speaker 15 (52:25):
Yeah, I'm just there are things that happen. Again, I
would never I'd never condone spinning on someone I'm also
not condoning someone to withhold from their job that they're
trying to do this job and again to get that
type of pushback from people locally as a bad look
that that, I mean, that is a that in itself

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is a black cloud, that that you are so bent
out of shape that someone released a video of something
that actually happened, not a doctored video, not a as
you mentioned, not a video that you shot in the
locker room on your cell phone that should have never
made public. It's on a football field, it's in the

(53:09):
middle of a National Football League game. And let's be honest,
at some point there'll probably been another angle that came
out anyway, sure, or I'm sure maybe the NFL is
re viewing another angle that just hasn't been made public.
You know how many different angles there are that you remember,
like the old NFL film stuff, and people might everywhere, Yes,
it's going to come out.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
And by the way, like every NFL film's career or
every NFL game is filmed and miked by NFL film.

Speaker 15 (53:35):
Correct, they were zoomed in on that as well.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
As a non zero chance that what Jamar and Jalen
Ramsey were saying to each other was recorded, correct. I
don't know if any of that is going to see
the light to day. That's controlled by NFL Films, which
is an arm of the National Football League. But Austin
Brisky did his job, yep. And if your reaction to

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this is to come at him, you need to take
a look in the mirror.

Speaker 16 (54:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Reporter reported, he did his job. He's not the reason
why we're here. Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey are why
we're here. And again, Jamar did what he did. He
gets whatever is coming his way, and there's gonna be
a time and I don't know what it's gonna be
where Jamar Chase is gonna have a microphone in front
of his face and is gonna be asked about it.

(54:23):
And I'm intrigued by what he has.

Speaker 15 (54:24):
And again, to your point, doesn't take away the greatness
of Jamar Chase as a player. It doesn't take away
that comes Sunday if he's on the field. Yes, I'm
gonna be rooting like hell for Jamar Chase to have
nineteen catches and one hundred and ninety two yards and
two touchdowns.

Speaker 16 (54:40):
Because he's capable of that. Every week.

Speaker 15 (54:42):
But it also doesn't prohibit you from getting criticism when
you do something you shouldn't be doing. Talking about role models,
talking about wearing a sea on your chest, I mean
kids are watching that, players are like, that's something that
you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. As
a captain and as a leader, and someone who was
viewed as by many the top wide receiver in the

(55:03):
National Football League.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I think what made it so noteworthy was it is
so out of character. Right, I've watched every snap that
Jamar Chase has played as a Bengal, I've watched him
operate in the public realm. There has been nothing about
him to this point that has made me think he's
a bad guy. That has made me think he's a

(55:25):
dude you don't want to root for. I'll root like
help him. I say this all the time. I'm a
body of work guy. Jamar Chase's body of work on
and off the field is terrific. This was very unfortunate,
very regrettable. He should be held accountable. He should and
will face whatever punishment is thrown at him. He should
publicly at least acknowledge it. But whether it's this Sunday

(55:50):
or Thanksgiving night or sometime later in the season, Like,
I have no problem rooting for that guy. Again, by
no stretch of the imagination would any reasonable human being
condone what he did. Okay, that doesn't have to define him,
and I don't think it does define it.

Speaker 15 (56:05):
And I'm also like, I could say I don't agree
with it, but if you watch the outcut the whole game,
the Jalen Ramsey hit on him in the back, Yes,
I get, Yes, I can get why there's pent up frustration.
I like, that's why after the game or even today
to say I wasn't in my right mental space. I
was frustrated things that happened throughout the game. I did

(56:25):
something out of character. I apologize, I own up to it.
I'm good with it. Like I'm not holding because there
were things that happened during the game that I'm like,
how's that? I mean Treg Green yesterday that that should
be flagged, the hit that he took in the lower
like that should be a penalty. So I get all
that frustration that's built up from the same guy talking

(56:46):
and hitting you all game long and your team's losing
and you're going through this win and the season's not
going how you want.

Speaker 16 (56:52):
I get it.

Speaker 15 (56:53):
Yeah, just down up to it, right, mistake out of character,
not who I am, won't happen.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
By the way, there's room for multiple true I think
Jalen Ramsey is an ass clown. Correct. I also know
that Jamar Chase spin at him and you don't do that.
Like I think there's room for multiple truths. I also
think you're an idiot if you punch at somebody in
a face who's wearing a football face mask. Agreed, because
you're gonna get the worst of it. I give if

(57:20):
I was wearing a football helmet and you decided to
punch me in the face and you hit the face mask.
Who do you think is gonna get the worst of it?
You or me? Right right? And that's not just a
Jalen Ramsey thing. I've been watching football players punch each
other in the face for decades and I never understand it. Yep,

(57:41):
I think we successfully covered this topic.

Speaker 16 (57:44):
We're done with spitgate, I think, so, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Now we'll talk about fourth in inches, trying to draw
the Steelers off sides, burning a time out, and whatever
Zach Taylor had going through his head during that sequence.
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Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Not this week, he ain't. Ian Rapidford of NFL Media
reports that Jamar Chase has been suspended one game by
the NFL for yesterday's spitting into one game.

Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
Do you think he pushes back?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Now? If I was him, I would just keep denying it.
But me, look, we have all sorts of people in
the real world who like deny things that obviously happened. Yeah, now,
maybe Jamar should just be like, I don't know what
you're talking about. Yeah, well you're suspended, don't deserve it.

Speaker 16 (01:01:09):
Just double down, double down on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Bengals and Patriots at the venue originally known as Paul
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Genostone hasn't been suspended.

Speaker 16 (01:01:21):
He's still with the team.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
He's still with the team. He didn't commit any rules violations.
I just would like for them to suspend him so
he doesn't have.

Speaker 15 (01:01:28):
Has he taken any more of a pay cut? Have
they asked him to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Can you imagine how bad his tackling effort would be
if he was making less? Oh gosh, Cam Taylor Brett.
According to Zach, Taylor likely needs surgery for a Liz
Frank injury, and Jamar no public comment on yesterday's incident.
Monday Night Football tonight, Cowboys at Raiders on ESPN fifteen thirty.
College football note, James Frank is going to be the

(01:01:56):
new head coach at Virginia Tech.

Speaker 16 (01:01:58):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I wonder if when he loses games at Virginia Tech
if the Internet will rejoice the same way it did
every time.

Speaker 16 (01:02:08):
I won't state one of the weirdest things in sports.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
The Marx Tubes Show is tonight at six on ESPN
fifteen thirty, The NKU Coaching shows at seven on ESPN
fifteen thirty, and the Richard Patino Radio Show is at
seven o'clock on fifty five KARC. Can we talk about
the sequence in which the Jamar Chase incident occurred? And

(01:02:34):
not so much you have to Jamar versus Jalen Ramsey,
but what was going on when the Bengals decided to
burn a time out on what was going to be
a fourth and one play, not snap the ball, try
to draw them off sides. Can you explain to me
what Zach Taylor was doing there early in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
I'm other than like trying to play that like junior
high and literallygue coaches try.

Speaker 16 (01:03:00):
I don't have an answer.

Speaker 15 (01:03:02):
Like they lined up and I don't even think I
thought it was more like fourth and inches.

Speaker 16 (01:03:08):
I mean it wasn't a full one correct, Yeah, So.

Speaker 15 (01:03:11):
When they line up originally, I'm like, okay, you wanted
it early because there was so much time on the
play clock.

Speaker 16 (01:03:17):
That's all I can't remember.

Speaker 15 (01:03:18):
Thinking was like, Okay, now they're gonna shift and actually
run the play, which I'm good with. Try to get
the free five, yeah, and then run the play knowing
that you're already facing a deficit. You don't really have
the luxury to burn timeouts. So what I don't understand.
You don't have anything called except trying to get them
to jump off sides. If you're gonna punt, just take

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the delay a game. Instead, you burn the time out
to do what? Talk over what it was. It's something
that everyone can see coming. Maybe you see two teams
jump on that per year in the NFL. Everyone knew
what was coming. And once they hold their ground, what
I thought they might do because they got to the

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line so quick, is that they wanted to get Pittsburgh
to relax a little bit, try to get the hard count,
go into the motion. They don't jump, and now Pittsburgh knows, okay,
they're just trying to get us a jump and then
you snap the ball and you get the inch a
couple of inches you need. They took a time out.
I was shocked, like baffled what they're doing, and it

(01:04:21):
kind of got swept under the rug because of the
Jamar Chase incident. But I messaged with you right away,
like Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey just saved Zach Taylor
from having to deal with whatever the heck that just was,
which still wasn't the end of the drive, because they
burned another one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Well, they burned another one one play later after a
five yard had pass. Then later in the drive which
did end with the field goal. Later in the drive,
they had a delay of game. Like if if you
were showing that sequence starting with the starting with the
third and one, if you were showing someone that's the

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Quins who knew nothing about Zach Taylor and ask them
to conclude whether or not the Bengals are a well
coached team. What do you think they would have said?

Speaker 16 (01:05:10):
No, they're not.

Speaker 15 (01:05:12):
Like and again, in the grand scheme of this, they
got the ball back with the third quarter ending down
at that point, what were they down eleven eleven? And
they had proceeded to take almost six minutes off the
clock and ran twelve plays.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Taking their sweet time between plays. You would have run
the ball fine, any urgency, little tempo. Yeah, get back
to the line.

Speaker 12 (01:05:34):
Like.

Speaker 15 (01:05:34):
There's plenty of teams in college and NFL they called
two plays in the huddle like second Short. I guarantee
you over half the league mo on second Short is
calling two plays. Hey, we're gonna run this. If we
get the first down, we'll huddle. If not, let's get
back to the line and let's run this quick. Instead,
we're talking about a team again operating with zero sense

(01:05:55):
of urgency. And again, if it was one time two okay, weird, right,
it happens. This has been all year. Game one, Joe
Burrow is yelling at the sideline to get the play
in quicker, let's go instill down eleven plenty of times
still on the clock because in the back of your

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mind you're still facing Mason Rudolph on the other side.
If we go get points, we'll right back in this.
You just dink and dunk and take your sweet time
all the way to the point.

Speaker 16 (01:06:25):
Again.

Speaker 15 (01:06:26):
You use two timeouts and what a two play one
place fan, and then a couple of plays later you
get a delay a game, so timeout play. Then you
got to burn another timeout for whatever reason, and then
you're still struggling a couple plays later. You take a
delay a game. Make it make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
So at phase value, what you said about the approach
on fourth and inches, I don't disagree with, right, Like,
let's see if they do jump and if they don't
snap the ball, sneak it, hand it off, whatever, get
what we need to move the chains. At the same time,
we talked in the first hour about how soft they
are to me, the team that isn't soft says, screw it.

(01:07:06):
Let's line up, We'll get the yard. Yes, line let's
line up and go like, we don't all.

Speaker 16 (01:07:12):
The way they ran the ball for almost five yards
of carrying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Right, we don't need all the the whiz bang of
you know, hard count and try. You know, lineup, We're
gonna get the inches, and if we can't, we can't.
Like to me, I understand in real time, I'm going okay,
they'll try to draw them off play, clock will get
under five, they'll snap it. But there's also a part
of me that's like, you know what, screw it, man,
we are tired of being bullied by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

(01:07:35):
We beat you the last game, we beat you the
last time we played last year. We're not gonna be
bullied by you. We're gonna line up, get the inches
and keep going. To me. The team that's not soft
doesn't even try the the Shenanigans of try to draw
them off side. We'll line up, our guys can knock
your guys backward, and we can get not eight yards,

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eight inches.

Speaker 15 (01:07:58):
It's it's a mindset, and it's a way in which
this team does not carry themselves, and that starts with
the coach. Regardless of what you think of Zach Taylor.
I also thought mo that was indicative. On the first
offensive drive of the game, you score a touchdown, Pittsburgh
roughs the snapper and I don't mind going for it.

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What did they do? They motioned Joe Flacco out of
the backfield, direct snap it, and run right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
At Cam Hayward.

Speaker 15 (01:08:27):
You just ran the ball successfully the whole time, and
you still got Jamar Chason T. Higgins and your full
complimental weapons and your choice. I don't mind going for two.
Your choice is to motion Joe Flacco out and direct
snap at the Chase Brown and run right at the middle. Like,
those are mindsets, that's something that's set in place in
the game to say, if we get in short yarded situations,

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buckle your chin straps, we're gonna turn around and run
power right up the middle or right at this guy,
and we're gonna run behind you guys and go get
a first down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
It ended up not mattering to me. I just thought
it was unnecessary. Yeah, it's seven to seven, eight points
is like, and I get it. We're gonna have to
score a lot of points to win today. I do
understand that mentality. You're gaining a yard. If you're gonna
do that, just go forward for the two.

Speaker 16 (01:09:15):
Yeah. I hate the play call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I mean I hated the play call. You're right about that.
Why take the point off the board. It's seven to seven,
That to me is and I love aggressive play. Aggressive
play calling would have been you don't even try the
pat you just line up and go for two.

Speaker 16 (01:09:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
At that point, I'm not taking the point off. It
ended up not being that big of a deal. That
to me was a little unnecessary. But the play call itself,
I could not agree more brutal. And I just would
that have been their two point try had it actually
mattered later in the game, right? Would that have been
what they did?

Speaker 15 (01:09:53):
But again, to go back to the drive in question,
what are we talking about today? If the Jamar Chase
thing doesn't happen, how do you burn those timeouts down eleven?

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah? To me, that's the bigger issue like that, Let's
face it, the rest of the season is gonna be
spent talking about what changes are made. Okay, Jamar Chase
is gonna be here next year. I'm gonna guess he
never spits at someone again. He did it. He's gonna
get punished. Say what you want about Jamar. Steelers fans
are gonna hate him, Bengals fans are gonna love him.

(01:10:25):
I'm a Bengals fan. I love Jamar Chase. I don't
condone what he did. The bigger issue is are you
moving forward with this head coach? Well, right there, yesterday. Again,
this isn't August, it's not even game number two. This
is coming out of a bye against the team you
play twice a year every year, your season hanging in
the balance. You're down two scores, and early in the

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fourth quarter, you could not have looked less well put together.
You're unnecessarily burning timeouts. It looked like as poorly coached
a sequence as we have seen. Look at that. That's
a snapshot right there. You want to move forward with
this guy. Then you look at the roster, look at
the defense. You want to move forward with the guy
who put it together. You want to move forward with

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the guy who's coordinating it. You want to move forward
with some of these players who can't tackle. The Jamar
Chase thing is an outlier. It's interesting. I get it.
It's gonna divide people. People are getting pissed at the
reporter who tweeted the video. Whatever. When you're done being
mad at that, when we're done just yelling at each
other over that, let's talk about the thing that matters,

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and the things that matters are sequences like that. In
the fourth quarter yesterday, sequences like the end of the
game with Al Golden's defense on the field, or the
overall roster construction which continues to prove to be bad. Ye,
just downright bad.

Speaker 15 (01:11:45):
That's why we go back to this thing we talked
about earlier. The Jamar Chase thing is not the main
storyline from the game yesterday, not even close. Nationally it
will be. But if you watch that game, and you've
watched this team all year, you down eleven in the
fourth quarter of an NFL game with a backup quarterback
playing against you, you burn two timeouts over a one
place man, and then you took a delay a game

(01:12:07):
a few plays later. You at no point acted with
urgency and at no point acted with an aggression to say,
screw it, I'm not leaving this up to a field goal.
We're gonna be aggressive and go try to win a
football game. That that type of mentality, I don't care
what he sits on the podium and says, locker rooms

(01:12:27):
can see through that, players on the sideline can see
through that matter. Coach speak all you want. I've been
in the locker room before, you could see through that stuff.
And that the way that game was yesterday is more
of an indictment on what Zach Taylor is right now
as the coach as anything fair or not. You want

(01:12:50):
to talk about, oh, they scored this, and whether they scored.
They shouldn't have lost to the Jets, and they shouldn't
have lost to the Bears. Okay, but they did, but
they did, and yesterday they shouldn't lost out football game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
But see, like you could talk about, well, the Jets game,
they shouldn't have lost and it was an outlier, No,
it wasn't. Defense couldn't get a stop. Well, yeah, but
the Bears game, boy, crazy stuff happened. Wasn't an outlier.
Defense couldn't get a stop. And then again like they
probably still would have lost. Joe Flacco was not great yesterday,

(01:13:21):
but it was out of a buy you and I
think you know he's physically compromised. I think there's a
lot of evidence to support that.

Speaker 16 (01:13:28):
All right, shouldn't it be more buttoned up out of
a bye?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Right? More buttoned up? And then again al Golden's defense
again here it is fourth quarter, so many games this year,
fourth quarter defense has a chance to make the difference,
can't get it done. So miss me with that. Well,
the Jets game they shouldn't have lost, correct because they
shouldn't have this bad of a defense. Or the Bears
game they shouldn't have lost, correct because they shouldn't have
this bad of a defense. Or the Steelers game yesterday,

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shouldn't have lost it by the margin they did, correct
because the offense should be better coached, and because the
defense shouldn't be this bad. This is who they are.
None of these losses are outliers.

Speaker 15 (01:14:03):
I'm glad that over the bye week the young guys
got to do some practice and the veterans got some
time off. Maybe during some of that time, though, you
could just have a meeting and say, hey, guys, there
is a possibility that Pittsburgh changes things up from the
first time we played him, just so we're aware, and
let's spend a little time meeting this week. Don't have
to be on the field, just more mental stuff. What

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if they do play some zone coverage against us? The
team I watched yesterday looked ill prepared coming out of
a bye week against the team who no showed on
Sunday Night football. The Steelers no showed on Sunday Night football.
They didn't play well yesterday, and you let him off
the hook, and you did so by acting.

Speaker 16 (01:14:43):
In which you didn't.

Speaker 15 (01:14:44):
You didn't show in your preparation that you thought they
were gonna run on his own, and it didn't look
like he had an answer for it. For the half,
no one was getting open. Charlie Goldsmith did a great
job today on his social media breaking down all the
different times that Jamar Chase was doubled and bracketed and
all this stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:15:00):
That's the case.

Speaker 15 (01:15:00):
One find other ways to get Jamar Chase the ball,
find other ways in your formation, which we've discussed time
and again on this show or two. If they're going
to use two guys every time on Jamar Chase, then
we're gonna let other guys feast. Did we see any
of that yesterday?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:15:14):
No, they looked ill prepared coming out of a bye
week on what many considered to be yesterday a must
win game for their season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Right So, there, for me is the question when it
comes to Zach Taylor, not what did you do four
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at Twin Peaks. You just heard it there in the
top of the hour if you didn't know, Jamar Chase
has been given a one game suspension by the NFL.
This originally reported by Ian Rappaport. So no, Jamar, but
you said to me during the break something that I
think is worth keeping in mind. The Bengals have in
their back pocket for the game against the Patriots Jermaine Burton.

Speaker 15 (01:18:39):
Oh so remember him? No Jermaine Burton game? Not really,
will Jermaine Burton be active?

Speaker 16 (01:18:49):
No, that's insane. I mean, that would be insane.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Why would I expect them to be right just because
they're down a guy?

Speaker 15 (01:18:57):
I mean, I think that's that's the understand expectation.

Speaker 16 (01:19:00):
I'm just.

Speaker 15 (01:19:02):
Thinking of the logistics. You took him in the third
round last year. You and I thought during training camp
he looked good. He's now been non existent. He's missed
some time due to illness and some other different things.
And now Jamar Chase, at least now he is. He
is appealing the one game suspension, but as of now,
Jamar Chase is not playing on Sunday. If not, now

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why are you holding on to him on the roster?
Why is he occupying a roster spot. By the way,
the one game suspension, the line has gone from seven
to nine and a half. I don't think so. To me,
the video evidence is pretty clear. If you are suspending
him because he's spit on Jalen Ramsey, I don't know

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what that video would tell you or appeal would tell
you about what would make that okay or how you
would win the appeal.

Speaker 16 (01:19:57):
So now I don't think he would win it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Well, good luck to him. I don't think he will.
But if he does miss the game, you could always
rely on is it eighty one? Brady one? Is Jon?

Speaker 16 (01:20:10):
This is his week?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
This is it, this is the one, this is the
week where he's like you know what's the reason why
you guys drafted me. I'm sure by then he'll be
over the flu or the cold, or you know, whatever
he's dealing with.

Speaker 15 (01:20:22):
They are desperately missing that position though, no doubt, like
the answer that we've seen in previous weeks, bracketing Jamar
bracketing team. Like Joe Flacco has even said before, like
I've never been around anywhere where both I have two
receivers getting doubled. Well, that just screams out something to me.
Of the number three needs to be more productive Like
Tyler Boyd in his prime, productive would have been perfect.

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And that's what Jermaine Burton had the chance to be.
Yoshi's good, but he he's not. There's limitations, you know
what he is. He's not going to stretch the field.
He's not going to provide that for you. What a
gold opportunity when you have two guys that get double
teams to just win one on one battles against bad
cover guys and put up insane numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
So the first thing that has to happen is you
have to dress for the game.

Speaker 15 (01:21:13):
Well before that, you have to be at the facility
on time. Okay, you gotta do that, can't miss meetings,
Gotta do that, got to practice, gotta do that, get healthy,
gotta do that. And then based on your body of
work during the week, it would be determined if you'll
dress in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Okay, then you do that, and then you successfully dress
and get to the sideline by one o'clock on Sunday.

Speaker 15 (01:21:37):
What would the other option be, Charlie Jones gets more
reps of receiving US.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
I mean, I would consider the possibility of them grabbing
a street free agent right now before I would Jermain Burton.
That is an exaggeration, but I think it's meant to
illustrate how insanely out of favor he has fallen and
how bad of a pick he has turned out to be,
at least to this point.

Speaker 16 (01:21:59):
Yep.

Speaker 15 (01:22:00):
And that's again an indictment that comes back on I
would imagine Duke Tobin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Last week, the story was of Joe Burrow coming back
to practice, and you know it elicited his shoulder shrug
for two reasons. One, hey, the team's not very good.
He doesn't play defense. Number two, the offense is fine.
Did yesterday prove to you that Joe Burrow is better
than Joe Flacco.

Speaker 16 (01:22:26):
Yes, yes, I think we could put that to bed.
I am.

Speaker 15 (01:22:32):
I am today in full confidence going out on a limb. Yeah,
and I'll say that Joe Burrow is a better quarterback
than Joe Flackell. And you could quote that. Okay, clip it,
quote it, do whatever you want with it. Sure, but
I'll put that out there. So I'm gonna get crushed
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
He I know it's a hot take. They come, he
comes back to practice and you know we're all doing
the well, you know, you know, get this one against Pittsburgh,
you've beaten them already, and then you know the Patriots game.
Tough putt, but but it is going to be here.
You know, get to Thanksgiving at five and six, game
on divisions winnable. Yeah, you'll have Burrow back. Does losing

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yesterday affect at all what you would do with Joe Burrow?
Joe is gonna wanna play, Yeah, and he's gonna want
to play. He's gonna want to play as soon as
next Thursday. And I just asked you this off air.
If we find out something's up with Joe Flacco, who
has been on the injury report the last couple of
weeks he's gonna be on it this week he was
clearly I think, uh favoring you know, the shoulder yesterday.

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Do you accelerate that timeline or does losing the game
make you go, you know what, we're just gonna put
him on ice.

Speaker 15 (01:23:41):
I would put him on ice, I know. And I've
listened to arguments on why you do play him, and
Charlie Goldsmith brought up a good one last Friday of
if you don't play him this year and you go
back to him kind of last year touch down the stretch.
I mean you're missing a lot of time mm hm
based on when he's been available versus not available. But
I contend with his left toe injury that doing anything

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under center would be extremely difficult to pivot and push
in the extent that you have to push off away
from center, which means I would assume more shotgun, and
we have not seen the same ability from the offensive
line or the run game to be successful out of
strictly shotgun. If he's going to play, to me, it

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would be no limitations being free to go under center.
As much as Joe Flacco one can his toe do
that too? Does he even want to do that, And
if the question to either one of those is know,
then you can't put him out there, regardless of how
much he wants to play. And I get it, he's
the quarterback. He's paid a lot of money. Sure, is

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this team going anywhere this year?

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (01:24:54):
Does he have an injury history?

Speaker 15 (01:24:56):
Yeah, I'm not going to risk it healthy.

Speaker 16 (01:25:00):
We'll see in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I expect him to play in any game where the
Bengals are playing with a mathematical chance of making the postseason.
I expect that, and I understand it, and that doesn't
bother me.

Speaker 16 (01:25:10):
What about the look of it?

Speaker 15 (01:25:12):
What if they lose by twenty one on Sunday and
they're now three and eight, and here you go, you
get the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Realistically, for me, I'd put him on ice right now.
I will at least accept. Look, as long as there's
not an X next to our name in the standings,
we have a shot. Even if it's an extraordinary attempt
at defind the odds, We're gonna play him. Okay, Fine,

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if you are playing games against the Miami Dolphins and
Arizona Cardinals and Cleveland Browns and you mathematically have no
chance it. It makes no sense at all to have
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 15 (01:25:55):
Playing against Cleveland with Miles Garrett going for thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:25:59):
No, Miles Garrett had four on Lamar yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I respect the hell out of Joe Burrow wanting to play.

Speaker 16 (01:26:05):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I respect the hell out of the Bengals going. You
know what, we want the example set by guys who
go screw it. I'm fighting, I'm playing. I get that
raw ross stuff, I really do. I respect the hell
out of a guy making fifty million dollars a year
going screw it. I want to play no matter what.
He is the most important investment in the history of
Cincinnati sports, as we have seen the last couple of years.

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If Joe Burrow goes away, this all falls apart. It
is a house of cards. Why would I do anything
that at all jeopardizes the meal ticket, the investment playing
him in games that matter that don't matter, not only
to the Bengals, but don't don't matter to anybody else.

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The Miamy Dolphins are not going to be in the
playoff hunt. They played better.

Speaker 15 (01:26:52):
Here's a Cardinals are going to be in the playoff hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
He did and they lost. The Brent like you even
sell me on it. Hey, look, they're playing a game
against the team that's in the hunt and the integrity
of the league. I don't love that. But okay, if
you're playing in games that don't matter at all and
Joe Burrow is taking snaps, that is just irresponsible. It's careless.

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Just I get the raw rass stuff. I get the
well players play. They want to play, They want to
be out there. If I say that to you as
he is being carted off, are you gonna go here? No?

Speaker 15 (01:27:29):
You think him being out there, You think the guys
on the defense will be like, man, he's tough and through,
we're gonna take it easy. No, they want to hit
him a hundred times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Uh huh.

Speaker 16 (01:27:38):
They want to they want to to pound him into
the ground. Mm hmm.

Speaker 15 (01:27:42):
So again, I appreciate it, Like I know, I know
the physical and mental toll of the work it takes
to get back after an injury, and for him, with
how many times he's done it, I can't imagine mentally
what it is. Right, But you still have to act
in his best interest. Someone has to acting his best
interest because as a competitor, he's always gonna want to play. Yeah,

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someone has to have his back and say I get it,
but you're not doing it this year.

Speaker 16 (01:28:11):
Can hate us for it. You're our ticket.

Speaker 15 (01:28:14):
The only way we're going to be back in this
super Bowl window is if you're the guy. Not you
sidelined at times throughout the year. You playing in seventeen
games is the only way we get back there. That's
a hard conversation to have with a guy who wants
to get out there. I get it, but that's part
about being a professional organization as well. Yeah, and running

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a business. That's your business, that's your ticket. He doesn't
help you when he's on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
And I believe Joe Burrow, if he might not like it,
would at least understand it. You can understand something and
not like it, And I would be willing to bet
Joe Burrow would go I wish I was out there.
If we're up to me, I'd be out there. I
don't like your decision, but I respect it. At the
end of the day, you're acting within the organizations and

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my best interest.

Speaker 15 (01:29:04):
You imagine how you're cringing every time he would get hit.
I know what we did that all last year, the
preseason correct. I watched Shamar Stewart actually hit a quarterback
in the preseason. Jamar Stewart, remember when he hit Joe
Burrow of practice. We all got worried for a second.

Speaker 16 (01:29:21):
That guy. It's just I again.

Speaker 15 (01:29:24):
I respect the heck out of Joe Burrow for trying
to get back, yes, and for making it a point.
And if this team had taken care of business against
the Jets and the Bears, then we're like, let's go
get him back now. Because you're playing for something, You're
not playing for anything anymore. Let's talk about these Is
Trey Hendrickson gonna play again this year? Who do you
think he plays another snap? That that week to week

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injury man anytime, anytime. The coach who's very close to
the vest as Zach Taylor Monday the last couple weeks, doubtful, doubtful, well,
just very very cut and dry.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
It doubtful week, but now it's being reported it was
a back. Now it's a hip, but now it's a
sports hernia. He's weak to week, but he's gonna need surgery.

Speaker 15 (01:30:10):
Does week to week allow him? Does the injury allow him?
On an airplane?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
I think you're allowed to fly Okay, I've never had
a back injury, hip injury, or sports sports hernia. I
can't even say it, but I think I would be
allowed on an.

Speaker 15 (01:30:23):
Airplane, especially a more comfortable one traveling in He's the captain.
We got one captain that spitting on folks, and we
got another captain who just don't want to be on
the field, and another one finding like hell to get
back on the field and play for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Got Jamaine Burton, McKinley Jackson.

Speaker 16 (01:30:44):
We got some third rounders.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
This is an absolutely, this is worse than the nineties,
by the way, just fine. I've heard a lot of well,
this is the nineties, you didn't have a quarterback, so,
like you know, for they have the most important position solved.
I mean, at least they have a good player at
that position. Can never keep him healthy. That's what makes
this worse. Like when when you're bad and David Klingler's

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playing quarterback for you, or he's my second all time
favorite Bengal, but Jeff Blake is playing quarterback for you,
or you're trying to talk yourself into Neil O'Donnell, like
that's one thing. You have Joe Burrow and you're still
gonna miss the postseason for a third consecutive year. This
is worse than the nineties.

Speaker 16 (01:31:26):
Yeah, this is worse Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yes, And when they didn't win the game, we all said,
you know what, the good times are just getting started.
When are the good times coming back? Because this is
not a good time.

Speaker 16 (01:31:41):
Isn't fun, It's not fun.

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Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
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It's Tony and Mo Football Show. We're at Twin Peaks
in Florence here till six o'clock. We're back in Florence
next Monday. We returned to Westchester on Monday, December. The first,
you know, one of the stories of yesterday's game that
we haven't touched him because we don't live in Pittsburgh
is Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 16 (01:33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Apparently as a small fraction in his left wrist. He
still wants to play because I'm not sure he can
go a Sunday without giving the snake eye. You're looking
exasperated at the guys he's throwing bad passes to.

Speaker 15 (01:33:48):
Yeah, it's always someone else's fault. Never Aaron Rodgers fault correct,
which is insane to watch. Some would say the offense
operated a little better.

Speaker 16 (01:33:55):
With Mason Rudolph at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Oh like it did.

Speaker 15 (01:33:57):
Got me wondered if maybe Mike Rabel's thinking of sitting
Drake May down for a bye week this week and saying,
Josh Dobbs, Tommy DeVito, come on down, you get to
play against the Bengals this week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
If I was either one of those guys, I would
say to Mike Vrabel, I will give you my game check.
If I could play this.

Speaker 16 (01:34:12):
Week, let me play one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Just give me, give me a quarter. Let's make it
like a preseason game. Yeah, give me three off.

Speaker 16 (01:34:16):
I want to throw Drake May in there right now,
you know, and risk and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Injury the Pittsburgh Steelers. According to the Athletics Playoffs simulator,
Pittsburgh leads the division, yet right now they believe the
Steelers only have a twenty eight percent chance of making
the playoffs. I don't think they're good.

Speaker 15 (01:34:33):
I don't either. I I just don't see it. Outside
of DK Metcalf, I don't think there's many weapons that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Worry or Washington.

Speaker 15 (01:34:43):
I mean, unless that's gonna become a thing again. Tight
ends against the Bengals right make careers. So no, I
don't think Pittsburgh's good. It is interesting when you talk
about team's position to make the playoffs.

Speaker 16 (01:34:56):
As we sit here.

Speaker 15 (01:34:57):
Right now, the Lions are out of the playoffs and
the Chiefs are out of the playoffs, and the Ravens
are out of the playoffs.

Speaker 12 (01:35:02):
Ye.

Speaker 16 (01:35:03):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
So Baltimore wasn't great yesterday. Shadora Sanders was worse. Ravens survived.
They've won four straight games, odds on favorite to win
the division. They're giving up a lot of sacks. That
won't be a huge issue against the Bengals because they
barely ever get after the quarterback of though Miles Murphy
played an okay game yesterday. I feel like with the Chiefs,

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nobody wants to admit with their eyes see, they're not
a very good football team.

Speaker 16 (01:35:28):
They're just not. They have flaws, right, They're not good.

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
They don't like the thing with the Chiefs in years past,
like they struck fear in you.

Speaker 16 (01:35:37):
Yes, you don't really fear that team anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
And I would have said that about last year's team,
which won a bunch of games close and again like
trust your eyes, like watch the games. There's the brand
and the reputation, and then there's what they're putting on
the field. Now, what they're putting on the field is
good enough to maybe be a playoff team if they
can leave frog a few squads. It does not feel

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like they're capable of winning a championship.

Speaker 15 (01:36:03):
No, that's not a title team this year, which is
crazy because last week they still had the highest odds
to win the title.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
There's still I think fourth right, which is insane.

Speaker 15 (01:36:11):
Yeah, going back to just last week. One other thing
you mentioned the Ravens Miles Garrett four more sacks yesterday. Yeah,
he's gonna have like twenty five sacks this year. He's unbelievable.
And if Shador Sanders doesn't play again, his career stat
line will be lower than my career stat line. So
you're rooting for him to never never see the field

(01:36:32):
again again. Less yards turnover margin is worse. Chador didn't
look good yesterday Shador.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Was the opposite of what he was when he made
his preseason debut, where you watch that and you thought, God,
this guy looked ready for the moment. He did not
look ready for the moment yesterday and his I think
his coaching to a degree was complicit with it. But
Stefanska in Cleveland took a lot of heat for giving
all the first team reps to Dylan Gabriel because he's
trying to get that quarterback and it experienced quarterback ready

(01:36:59):
for that week's game. That said Shidora Sanders, when the
moment met him, he didn't meet the moment.

Speaker 15 (01:37:04):
You think the Browns and Bengals are playing something, playing
for something in the final week draft positioning, right, how
high of draft positioning?

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
You know, That's that's kind of the key question right now.

Speaker 16 (01:37:17):
It's it's just weird.

Speaker 15 (01:37:18):
The AFC is bizarre, right, Like I'm still I know
they've won a lot of football games. I'm not sold
on Denver yet. Like they're finding ways to win, but
they're not dominant in the way they win.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
No.

Speaker 16 (01:37:33):
New England and Indy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
But do you need to be dominant in the way
you win Kansas City last year?

Speaker 15 (01:37:40):
But they have the track record of doing that. Mahomes,
you know, is bow Nicks the guy. Like the top
three teams in the AFC, Denver, New England, Indy. Who
are you most confident in bow next, Daniel Jones or
Drake may.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Well. I think Drake may is the better of the three.
I still believe enough in Denver's defense.

Speaker 15 (01:38:00):
But it's like Buffalo showed me something yesterday. Sure, Josh Allen,
Josh Allen, Chargers got boat raced.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Offensive line is a mess.

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
It's just it's got to catch up to him at
some point.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Not having the two starting tackles has caught up to him.

Speaker 15 (01:38:13):
Jacksonville maybe showed that they have stay in power. Davis
Mills has got Houston surviving.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
I think suddenly Houston Buffalo on Thursday is a really
sneaky fund.

Speaker 16 (01:38:23):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:38:24):
And then again like Miami's won two in a row
since they've made a change, and within the organization, Kansas
City Baltimore on the outside looking in AFC is just
a is a weird spot right now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
The game that we were all looking forward to yesterday
was ram Seahawks where Sam Donald throws a bunch of picks.
LA's offense wasn't at its best. It's still a top
five team both offensive efficiency and defense.

Speaker 15 (01:38:47):
I don't know if it said more about the Rams
or the Seahawks that Donald threw four picks and it was.

Speaker 16 (01:38:52):
That close two point game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:38:54):
I like a lot about the Seahawks.

Speaker 15 (01:38:55):
I like a lot about the Rams and the Rams. Yeah,
I thought Tampa, even in a loss, showed something. Yes,
they're eventually gonna get healthier.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
How about the Philadelphia Eagles defense last night?

Speaker 15 (01:39:05):
Yeah, if you liked about games holding opponents under ten.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
If you don't watch the games, and if you don't
pay attention to the standings and you listen to how
people talk about the Eagles, you would think they have
the Bengals record. It feels like there's NonStop discord. There's
NonStop talk of underachievement, NonStop j Brown consistency. People don't
like Nick Sirianni. I don't know, man, All that dude

(01:39:31):
does is win. They made Jared Goff look terrible last night. Yeah,
Like I understand, offensively, there are some things you don't
quite trust. But oh boy, their defense.

Speaker 15 (01:39:44):
Good team, man, and they keep adding to it as well,
so you know they they like the NFC is just
so bizarre to me. There are so many contenders. I
feel like sure, like I still think Detroit to a contender.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Offensively, there's still a world talent.

Speaker 15 (01:39:57):
Like brock Party looked ridiculous yesterday.

Speaker 16 (01:40:00):
There they are sneaky good.

Speaker 15 (01:40:02):
The first three weeks of the year, Green Bay was
the team and now they're just like quietly flying under
the radar, not winning impressively, but still finding wins. Josh
Wiley catch a touchdown pass yesterday, but man Bears, Bears
have seven wins.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Find a way to do it.

Speaker 15 (01:40:18):
They find a way like Ben Johnson like, find a
way to do it. And the NFC is so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It is.

Speaker 16 (01:40:23):
NFC is fun this year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no question about it. I just
with Philadelphia. Can you call like Howie Roseman's like number
four right, clearly he's got a lot of folks working
with him. Yeah, you want to like mine the really
well run organizations for talent, ye people who you know
work for folks. And again it's not gonna be a clone.

(01:40:45):
Plenty of people have tried to hire Bill Belichick assistance
and it hasn't worked out. But as I've got Duke
Tobin sitting around signing dudes like Geno Stone and not
addressing his defense. Can you call Howie Roseman and go, hey, man,
who's working for you that would like to run a
franchise of their own?

Speaker 16 (01:41:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:41:05):
There are times like where I just feel clueless when
it comes to sports. And then there are times I'm like, man,
I feel like I know what I'm talking about the
amount of time you and I exhausted on Gihad Campbell
leading into the draft and then watching him play on
a weekly basis. Yes, Like, man, it feels like we
got that one right, m h. Which is crazy if
if he was only a position of need for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Oh yeah, well only if he had elite.

Speaker 16 (01:41:28):
Traits tied him on a reach, it would have been
a reach.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Yeah, you're looking for those traite who cares if they
could actually play.

Speaker 16 (01:41:34):
Yeah, it doesn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Matter if they've ever actually played football, but if they
have those physical trades.

Speaker 15 (01:41:38):
I had a call her calling today and he made
some really good points, like Demetrius Knight, like good story,
and I know other circumstances, Right, if you're twenty five
and still in college, there's probably a reason perret Carter
Miles Murphy like if you're at Clemson and you're there
for like three or four years, probably not an elite
talent because you haven't left before. You start to look

(01:42:00):
at these draft picks and you're like, hmm, we all
knew Schamar was a reach. Yes, because of the production.
It's like, well, Demetrius night Man, he's twenty five, but
in order to get around that, he'll he'll just be
so privy. Don't picking up the scheme? Does he look
like a guy he's picking up the scheme?

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
No. I tell you what. I feel bad for Barrett
Carter because I thought of.

Speaker 15 (01:42:21):
Nick Vigil, Dude, Nick Vigil, him trying to cover Gainwell.
Like I I got into the studio today and Seg Dennison.
I told Seg, Seg could have covered Gainwell better on
that ploy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Well, the thing is that wasn't even his worst, no moment. No,
Darnell Washington, who, by the way, looked like you ever
seen like sometimes you'll see highlights and it's like an
eighth grade kid.

Speaker 15 (01:42:42):
Yes, you're like that kid can't be an eighth grade
and he can't be an eighth grade certificate, just like
Dragon dudes with him. Darnell Washington. Yeah, the biggest tight
end I've ever seen doing that yesterday. So Nick Vigil
ended up having a pretty nice NFL career. Yeah, But
when you say Nick Vigil, I.

Speaker 16 (01:42:58):
Think the Lamar Jack and spend just.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Undressing him at midfield in two thousand.

Speaker 16 (01:43:03):
And the MVP video.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Yes, Barrett Carter may end up being a terrific player.
There's been nothing so far to suggest that that is
a very distinct possibility. But I will at least allow
for it fifteen twenty years from now. When you say
Barrett Carter, I ain't gonna think of Darnell Washington just
abusing that dude. Yeah, on a day that was otherwise
not great on film for Barret Carter.

Speaker 15 (01:43:25):
Yeah, not good. A long line of the same, just
not good all the way around. My goodness, he looked
I'm not kidding that first touchdown. It wasn't like gain well,
like stuttered. No, it wasn't like he ran like a
choice route. No, just simple right out of the backfield,

(01:43:48):
and it looked like he was stuck in mud like man,
those field conditions must be rough in Pittsburgh, That's how
bad it was.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
We've arrived at the point of the show where we
have to talk about.

Speaker 15 (01:44:00):
But this has been fun Nippert Stadium. I've enjoyed this today.
I got a run, I got that thing tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Well, can you call in?

Speaker 16 (01:44:09):
The service at home is not great normally for me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
So you see loses to Arizona, and right, that's a
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Louisville is sixth in both major polls. The Cardinals come
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(01:47:14):
the Bengals in the NFL, we have not yet discussed
what happened at Knippert Stadium on Saturday. I had a
bad feeling about this game. I had a worse feeling
midway through the second quarter when it felt like the
Bearcats had a lead that was very tenuous, and Arizona's
missing field goals and they're not finishing drives, and yet

(01:47:36):
every time the Bearcats would get the ball back with
the lead, they couldn't build upon it. I felt bad
then I felt worse after the game, And I think
what has happened now is we've gone from talking about
whether or not they could play for a Big twelve
championship to now wondering if this year is gonna mirror
last year where they lose their last four. They will

(01:47:58):
play in a ball game this year, will they lose
their last five which is what happened last year.

Speaker 15 (01:48:03):
Yeah, there are so many correlations to that spiral last
year that you find this year. Quarterback play in the
last two games has taken a significant step back. The
defense doesn't make the plays when they need it. But
to your point, I think the first thing I said
to you when I got in the press box on
Saturday was something just doesn't feel right. Yeah, it just

(01:48:25):
felt quiet, lack of energy over the course of the
bye week, and all anyone asked me was about BYU.
And the more you sat back and watched Arizona and
looked at what they'd done, it's like, this is a
good team that's coming in. It's a good quarterback. Defense
had twelve interceptions coming into the game, led the Big Twelve.

(01:48:46):
They were top ten in multiple categories nationwide in defense,
especially against the pass, and to me, the troubling part
has been the lack of this team to adjust to
man coverage. Nebraska ran a lot of it, Utah ran
a lot of it. Arizona ran a lot of it.
No answers. Those have been their three worst games, and

(01:49:06):
it's arguably been against the three teams that have have
been the best competition. That, to me is concerned. But
to your point, it was weird because you couldn't have
started worse. The interception on the first play. Arizona scores
two plays later, but then you see picks himself back up.
They go down the field and score. They're running at will.

(01:49:27):
They go down and score again. It's fourteen to seven,
and then the defense got four straight stops four times
Brendan Soarsby, and that offense got the ball to fourteen
to seven lead and did nothing with it. And at
that point you kind of felt like ruined missed opportunity
to put a team multiple scores down at home early start,

(01:49:47):
a lot of things going against them. You missed that opportunity.
And as the game went on, and as the defense
failed to get the stops needed, and as Sowersby struggled
at times with the interceptions, it just felt like it
was kind of caving in. And I looked at you
a couple of times. It's a couple of instances third

(01:50:08):
down and five, third and seven, and the Bearcats are
playing ten yards of cushion. Yeah, Like the biggest play
in the game was a third and five and there
are ten yards off and it was an easy pitch
and catch to the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
I don't understand.

Speaker 15 (01:50:20):
They've made the same mistakes on defense all year. Their
corners do not get their head around, And now what
are you seeing. Teams that are capable in the passing
game are just doing that, Like they're not getting beat
with elaborate concepts. It's go routes that either result in
a catch or a penalty, but the inability to beat
man to man coverage is staggering to me for the

(01:50:42):
Cincinnati Bearcats. And if you don't think BYU is gonna
watch that and bring their physical style of play to
do the same thing, you better have an answer for that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
So two different things here. One strategically, Cincinnati runs the
ball really well early and then Arizona basically says you're
not going to run it, we dare you to throw.
I don't know, Tony that in a competitive situation, not
a blowout where a team has no choice but to pass,

(01:51:19):
But as a game like that is unfolding, I'm not
sure I've seen a team play cover zero so much
disrespect with no safety back as often as Arizona did,
basically saying we dare you to throw it. There were
multiple snaps in the second half where every Arizona defender
was within five yards of the line of scrimmage. How
do you not beat that at least once?

Speaker 15 (01:51:40):
And not only not beat it once, but not really
even have an answer on how to beat it once?

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Right?

Speaker 16 (01:51:44):
Like minimal minimal tries to run a screen?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Well, you kept talking about during the broadcast, moving the protection, Yeah, right,
moving the pocket, moving the pocket, I just none of that.

Speaker 15 (01:51:54):
No, they didn't do any of that. And again, you're
coming off a bye in which a team in Utah
challenged you the same way Brendan Soorsby said it after
the game. We've got to have a better answer for man,
what happened during the bye week. You know, it's another
game where questions are being answered, asked about who Joe
Royer two targets, one catch.

Speaker 16 (01:52:14):
I just I don't. I don't get it. It's a guy.
I feel bad Joe Royer.

Speaker 15 (01:52:19):
At one point in the offseason, McShay had him going
thirty first overall.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
So we that talented, we like we like Joe Royer
right what we've both spent time with Joe, spent time
with his family to overrate him.

Speaker 16 (01:52:34):
I don't think so. I think he's that talented.

Speaker 15 (01:52:37):
I mean, SoRs be talking after the game that they're
bracketing him in, double teaming him, like he's getting the
same respect we're talking about Jamar Chase getting right. There's
got to be ways you can get him involved. And
the whole move the pocket thing. You can't just ask
a quarterback to sit in the pocket. Cover zero is
designed to bring more people than you can block. That's
the that's the idea of cover zero. Man demand that

(01:53:00):
there's one safety back and he's accountable for the deep
part of the field. But that evens up the numbers
cover zero. There's one more than you can block because
the quarterback's the passer, So no matter how you slice it,
it can't be blocked up unless you either have quick
game answers, rub routes, screen game, or move the pocket.
I didn't see any of that from the Cincinnati Bearcats,

(01:53:23):
and coming off a buy where you just played a
team that challenged you in the same way and not
having that answer is alarming to me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Brendan Soresby last year, middle of the season, it felt
like he had a bad game and it snowballed. My
fear after the Utah game was something similar is gonna happen.
Why should I believe that hasn't started to happen.

Speaker 15 (01:53:42):
You're gonna have to You're gonna have to hope that
you see differently on Saturday, because I don't have a
reason that it's not gonna happen. I think Brendan Sowsby's
issue right now is predetermining everything. The first play of
the game, he predetermined that. Look, he didn't read it out,
ball was picked off, ball was picked off. He predetermined
a couple run pass options where instead of giving it
out he kept it. Looked to me like he predetermined it.

(01:54:03):
And then the last play of the game, fourth down,
with the game on the line, the balls don't out
of bounce. You went down without even giving anyone a chance,
didn't utilize himself as much as a runner as we've
seen in games past.

Speaker 16 (01:54:16):
I mean, they were on pace.

Speaker 15 (01:54:17):
It felt like the run for five hundred yards, and Arizona,
as you said, came down and said nope, we're not
going to let that happen. Beat us in the passing game,
and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
They're gonna play a very good BYU team on Saturday,
then they have to go on the road and play TCU,
then there will be a bowl game. What are we
talking about if they don't win another game? What are
we talking about if they end this season with a
five game losing streak, which is how last season ended.

Speaker 15 (01:54:49):
I don't think because of how it started, you're talking
about a coaching change. But I think there's gonna be
a loud audience to talk about that. If that happens,
I don't know how you get it turned back around.
With the current regime. I don't know how you can
sell it again and continue to raise the nil money.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
I do not think you can sell it.

Speaker 15 (01:55:12):
You can't, especially with where you are this year. Who's
their best win Kansas probably Iowa State short handed, the
best teams they've played, they've lost. Who's the where's the
where's the where's the marquee?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Big win? I think if you could somehow steer this
back on track and yeah, go nine and three? Nine
and three, okay, disappointing that they didn't compete for a
conference title. Nine and three is gonna feel like progress,
especially if you win your last two and maybe you
win a Bowl game. If it goes the other direction
after you started seven and one, good luck selling people

(01:55:47):
on that music means you have to go.

Speaker 16 (01:55:51):
Time to go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
We got through it.

Speaker 16 (01:55:56):
You're serving a one game suspension next week?

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Are you are you gonna spit on me?

Speaker 16 (01:56:00):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
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Speaker 16 (01:56:06):
Tomorrow noon, I thought, I thought I go do that now.

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