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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Clouds, isolated showers eighty one. That's today over nineteen to
sixty seven with a few clowns. Tomorrow eighty eight to
high isolated afternoon showers and partly cloudy skies down to
seventy over night with a few clouds, partly sunny with yes,
a chance of showers of storms as well on Friday
eighty six for the high end seventy four.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right now, let's see what Chuck has on traffic from
the UCL Traffic Center.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
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today to be an organ donor. A couple of wrecks
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(00:42):
slow through Wachman. Same for northbound seventy five out of
Erlinger into town for an extra ten. Coming up next
to guests who is just finished all who ex floor exercises,
and it looks like yes, indeed, our next guest is
going to take the goal for political commentary. Here comes
the judge Chuck Ingram on fifty five k or see
(01:05):
the talk station, Hey.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Thirty three fiftybout karsee talk station. Of course, Chuck actually
got a right on that one. Welcome back your honor,
Judge Ennapaul Tane. When the hels of Congressman Messy the best
one to two punching radio is always like to remind folks,
but everybody knows that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, Thank you, Brian, and good morning, and thank you Chuck.
The gold for political commentary is for my predecessor as
a guest here, Boy, am I riveted when the two
of you speak to each other. And of course I've
voluntarily kept my mic on mute because it's Congressman Massy segment.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's not mine. One of these days we'll do the
joint one, Yes we will.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
The thing he says is fascinating and quite frankly courageous
because there are very few members of Congress. There are
no members of Congress as devoted to preserve and protecting
and defending the Constitution as Congressman Thomas Massey.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ay men to that, and of course you know it's
a wonderful segue to your column which comes out tonight,
Colleague Schik Muhammad and the problem of torture. We have
talked about this issue before, but your column does a
wonderful job and just showing how fast and loose people
are willing to be when it comes to just eat.
They're bad people. I'm not gonna argue these guys in
(02:19):
Gitmo are are are angels and aren't worthy of some
kind of punishment. But you got to go through the
got to go through due process. But they have gone
through twists and contortions, you know, from the torture that
you we've we've talked about many times, to the venue situation.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, it's it's it's expedient.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's just ignoring the law for the purpose of getting
a result you want without going through the appropriate channels.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And if they have gone through the appropriate channels, if
George W. Bush had not listened to Alberto Gonzalez, his
his then White House counsel and eventually as Attorney General
and same person that's trying to get to bomb Iran today,
Senator Lindsey Graham, If George W.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Bush had not listened to them.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And allowed these creeps to be tried in federal court
where the crimes were committed. That would be Alexandria, Virginia,
the Pentagon, New York City, Manhattan for the World Trade Towers,
and I don't know where the venue is for Shanksburg, Pennsylvania,
but they go have consolidated them all in one. The
trials would have been over by now, no torture admitted
(03:29):
in the federal courts, plenty of other evidence of their guilt.
They would have been tried, convicted, and either executed or
sentenced to Florence, Colorado, where al Chapo and people of
that ilk are. But instead they created this military tribunal
system because they wanted quick, rough justice quick.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They've been waiting for.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Their trials since two thousand and six, that's eighteen years ago.
Now on the Verge trial, the government, the government says,
we got to talk settlement. We can't try this case.
Our lawyers can't defend torture. The CIA will go ballistic
if all this stuff comes out. We've got to settle
(04:13):
this case. They agree on a settlement, The defendants agree,
the prosecution agrees, the judge accepts the terms of the settlement,
and then the prosecution, in the form of Secretary of
defense Austin, not a lawyer and probably not familiar with
all the legal problems in the case that I've outlined
in my article, says we don't agree now under the
(04:35):
federal rules. As you know, once the court accepts the
guilty plea, that's it. Neither party can change their minds.
So I don't know what's going to happen next. Either
the guilty plea will be accepted over Secretary Austin's objection,
or we're going to have a trial that's going to
expose the worst behavior of the federal government in the
(04:57):
past twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And there's the first thing I thought of when the
plea agreement was reached, was you, because of the points
you've made before, torture is not allowed. You can't torture
some many exact confession out of him. That torture is
going to be thrown out. It would obviously have an
impact on a potential outcome from a jury who would
hear the evidence of torture. We would be made to
look bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And the
(05:21):
other component of this, the retraction of the endeavor to
retract the plea agreement seemed to come on the heels
of people's demanding that this guy be put to death. Now,
I'm not a fan of the death penalty because if
a state can take away life, I worry about that
because the state screws up all the time. I don't
(05:42):
want the life and death decisions being in the hand
of a state, which regularly lies to us sometimes and
over the history of our country, is quite often put
up liars on the stand and corrupt prosecutors to present
evidence that isn't there, or withhold evidence from defendants that
might be exculpatory. We've heard that story before. It is
written in the law.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So that's me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But this demand for the death penalty when the guys
agreed that he would just spend life in prison, what
I mean, what more could you hope to do with
the guy? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know, I agree with you. I understand the demand
for the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty. If
the government derives its powers from the consent of the government,
we don't have the authority to execute people that are
found guilty of crimes, and we can't therefore delegate that
power to the government. That's a philosophical argument. I understand
(06:37):
people who say, my God, you commit a murder in
cold blood in the streets, in a city, in a
state that has the death penalty, you can be executed.
These people killed three thousand people in them are not
going to execute them. Blame Lindsey Graham. Blame the people
that concocted this torture. Blame the people that prohibited the
(07:01):
removal of these defendants from Guantanoa Bay for any reason,
for trial, for sentence, or for execution.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Isn't that absurd that.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The Congress did that because Barack Obama threatened to remove
them under cover of darkness to the MCC the Metropolitan
Correstionalist Center in New York and dyte them, charge them
and try them there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And the Republicans want reserves.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh, they're too dangerous to be put in a jail
outside of Gitmo.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There's three of them. There are one hundred people that
run the jail. It costs five hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Million a year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Who do they think they're kidding? I know?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And a president which has the worst of the worst
of the worst murderers, rapist, thieves, thugs. If they can
manage those guys, they can manage a couple of conspirators.
And that's the other point you made in the article,
which is really worthy point. They created the military tribunal
because this, which is supposed to be for military combatants
and military related issues, this was non military. These were
(08:03):
not uniform combatants. They were conspirators. They directed the behavior
of those who flew the planes into the buildings. But
it's a conspiracy. Now you can be held accountable for
the damage you do. You can be found guilty of
murder if you are a co conspirator, even though you
didn't pull the trigger. But as you point out in
the article the Military Tribune, that's a legal issue that
isn't dealt with in these tribunals. It's a federal law.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Tribunals cannot try conspiracy cases. So again, Lindsey Graham Special.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm sorry to be picking on him.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's actually a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But again, a Republican Congressional special.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Oh, even though it's a military tribunal, they can try
civilian crimes and they'll follow the federal rules of criminal procedure.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Okay, if they're going.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
To try civilian crimes and follow the federal rules of
criminal procedure, why isn't it a regular federal jury trial
before one judge. They've had four judges in this case.
They've had four teams of prosecutors. They've had two teams
of defense lawyers. The judge sitting on the motion to
(09:10):
dismiss the indictment because of all the tortured do you
know how many pages of documents are in that motion
And he's a brand new judge in the case, forty
thousand ages he has to read.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
This is mind boggling.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The mess that they have created in the name of vengeance,
George w not justice.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, you put an exclamation point on that when you're
on and the column comes out tonight, Colleague Sheik Muhammad,
the problem with torture. You are laughing though and smiling
at the conclusion, which is as good as we can
hope for today given the subject matter. I always enjoyed
this conversation, especially on the height.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Too, but today was a special treat being able to
listen to Congressman Massey. I'm so sorry for his loss,
but I'm ecstatic that he.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is still his same old self.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Indeed, I wanted to tip my hat to him for
not showing up when Nettie, who spoke what a despicable,
disgraceful thing. That was Netting, who had an audience he
bought and paid for. Thomas Massey was not there because
he's not bought and paid for.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, we'll get this three way conversation that we had
planned before his wife's passing back on board at some point.
I know my producer work with your people in Congressman
Massy's people to make that happen, and I am really
looking forward to that day as well. Judging and Napolitano
find him online and judging Freedom. Who you talking to today?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I am talking to Phil Giraldi XCIA and the investigative
journalist to Aaron Mate, who has some very interesting observations.
I don't know how he knows this about the private
conversation between Joe Biden and Benjamin nettinga who two days ago,
in which Joe accused Biebe of lying to him, and
(10:59):
he did so in very very colorful, blue collar Scranton language.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Anxious to hear that one find a judging Freedom, look
at Facebook and YouTube and just search online generally, that
and judging Paull the time you will find him judge
until next Wednesday. God bless you, sir pleasure having you
on the program as all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay you Brian, thank you all the best coming up in.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
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(11:40):
you have with your financial planner. They have your best
interest in mind. So what they do is do an
individual analysis of every single one of their clients. Like
if you're a group, you own a business, you have
like thirty employees, you want them to be able to
afford insurance, but they can't because maybe they're on a
bombacare pan ninety five hundred dollars out of pocket. They
don't have that kind of money. They cannot afford to
(12:00):
pay the out of pockets, so they ignore buying insurance
and put themselves at peril. Could file for bankruptcy as
a consequence of that. No, he can get them all insured.
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together with dollar one coverage for less money. I know
it sounds amazing and impossible. Trust me, he does this
every single day. That's why I say it's worth a
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(12:23):
put dollar one coverage in the mix. Call him up.
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Speaker 2 (12:44):
If you're
Clouds, isolated showers eighty one. That's today over nineteen to
sixty seven with a few clowns. Tomorrow eighty eight to
high isolated afternoon showers and partly cloudy skies down to
seventy over night with a few clouds, partly sunny with yes,
a chance of showers of storms as well on Friday
eighty six for the high end seventy four.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right now, let's see what Chuck has on traffic from
the UCL Traffic Center.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Nearly sixty percent of Americans waiting on an organ transplanterer
from multicultural communities give the Gift of life. Sign up
today to be an organ donor. A couple of wrecks
in the clean up stages westbound on the Reagan Highway
near Ridge Road that has the right lane block traffic
back towards playing Field and a wreck on seven forty
seven before you get to Milligan. Southbound seventy five continues
(00:42):
slow through Wachman. Same for northbound seventy five out of
Erlinger into town for an extra ten. Coming up next
to guests who is just finished all who ex floor exercises,
and it looks like yes, indeed, our next guest is
going to take the goal for political commentary. Here comes
the judge Chuck Ingram on fifty five k or see
(01:05):
the talk station, Hey.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Thirty three fiftybout karsee talk station. Of course, Chuck actually
got a right on that one. Welcome back your honor,
Judge Ennapaul Tane. When the hels of Congressman Messy the best
one to two punching radio is always like to remind folks,
but everybody knows that.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, Thank you, Brian, and good morning, and thank you Chuck.
The gold for political commentary is for my predecessor as
a guest here, Boy, am I riveted when the two
of you speak to each other. And of course I've
voluntarily kept my mic on mute because it's Congressman Massy segment.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's not mine. One of these days we'll do the
joint one, Yes we will.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
The thing he says is fascinating and quite frankly courageous
because there are very few members of Congress. There are
no members of Congress as devoted to preserve and protecting
and defending the Constitution as Congressman Thomas Massey.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Ay men to that, and of course you know it's
a wonderful segue to your column which comes out tonight,
Colleague Schik Muhammad and the problem of torture. We have
talked about this issue before, but your column does a
wonderful job and just showing how fast and loose people
are willing to be when it comes to just eat.
They're bad people. I'm not gonna argue these guys in
(02:19):
Gitmo are are are angels and aren't worthy of some
kind of punishment. But you got to go through the
got to go through due process. But they have gone
through twists and contortions, you know, from the torture that
you we've we've talked about many times, to the venue situation.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, it's it's it's expedient.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's just ignoring the law for the purpose of getting
a result you want without going through the appropriate channels.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And if they have gone through the appropriate channels, if
George W. Bush had not listened to Alberto Gonzalez, his
his then White House counsel and eventually as Attorney General
and same person that's trying to get to bomb Iran today,
Senator Lindsey Graham, If George W.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Bush had not listened to them.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And allowed these creeps to be tried in federal court
where the crimes were committed. That would be Alexandria, Virginia,
the Pentagon, New York City, Manhattan for the World Trade Towers,
and I don't know where the venue is for Shanksburg, Pennsylvania,
but they go have consolidated them all in one. The
trials would have been over by now, no torture admitted
(03:29):
in the federal courts, plenty of other evidence of their guilt.
They would have been tried, convicted, and either executed or
sentenced to Florence, Colorado, where al Chapo and people of
that ilk are. But instead they created this military tribunal
system because they wanted quick, rough justice quick.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They've been waiting for.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Their trials since two thousand and six, that's eighteen years ago.
Now on the Verge trial, the government, the government says,
we got to talk settlement. We can't try this case.
Our lawyers can't defend torture. The CIA will go ballistic
if all this stuff comes out. We've got to settle
(04:13):
this case. They agree on a settlement, The defendants agree,
the prosecution agrees, the judge accepts the terms of the settlement,
and then the prosecution, in the form of Secretary of
defense Austin, not a lawyer and probably not familiar with
all the legal problems in the case that I've outlined
in my article, says we don't agree now under the
(04:35):
federal rules. As you know, once the court accepts the
guilty plea, that's it. Neither party can change their minds.
So I don't know what's going to happen next. Either
the guilty plea will be accepted over Secretary Austin's objection,
or we're going to have a trial that's going to
expose the worst behavior of the federal government in the
(04:57):
past twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And there's the first thing I thought of when the
plea agreement was reached, was you, because of the points
you've made before, torture is not allowed. You can't torture
some many exact confession out of him. That torture is
going to be thrown out. It would obviously have an
impact on a potential outcome from a jury who would
hear the evidence of torture. We would be made to
look bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And the
(05:21):
other component of this, the retraction of the endeavor to
retract the plea agreement seemed to come on the heels
of people's demanding that this guy be put to death. Now,
I'm not a fan of the death penalty because if
a state can take away life, I worry about that
because the state screws up all the time. I don't
(05:42):
want the life and death decisions being in the hand
of a state, which regularly lies to us sometimes and
over the history of our country, is quite often put
up liars on the stand and corrupt prosecutors to present
evidence that isn't there, or withhold evidence from defendants that
might be exculpatory. We've heard that story before. It is
written in the law.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So that's me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But this demand for the death penalty when the guys
agreed that he would just spend life in prison, what
I mean, what more could you hope to do with
the guy? You know?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know, I agree with you. I understand the demand
for the death penalty. I'm against the death penalty. If
the government derives its powers from the consent of the government,
we don't have the authority to execute people that are
found guilty of crimes, and we can't therefore delegate that
power to the government. That's a philosophical argument. I understand
(06:37):
people who say, my God, you commit a murder in
cold blood in the streets, in a city, in a
state that has the death penalty, you can be executed.
These people killed three thousand people in them are not
going to execute them. Blame Lindsey Graham. Blame the people
that concocted this torture. Blame the people that prohibited the
(07:01):
removal of these defendants from Guantanoa Bay for any reason,
for trial, for sentence, or for execution.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Isn't that absurd that.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
The Congress did that because Barack Obama threatened to remove
them under cover of darkness to the MCC the Metropolitan
Correstionalist Center in New York and dyte them, charge them
and try them there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And the Republicans want reserves.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh, they're too dangerous to be put in a jail
outside of Gitmo.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There's three of them. There are one hundred people that
run the jail. It costs five hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Million a year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Who do they think they're kidding? I know?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And a president which has the worst of the worst
of the worst murderers, rapist, thieves, thugs. If they can
manage those guys, they can manage a couple of conspirators.
And that's the other point you made in the article,
which is really worthy point. They created the military tribunal
because this, which is supposed to be for military combatants
and military related issues, this was non military. These were
(08:03):
not uniform combatants. They were conspirators. They directed the behavior
of those who flew the planes into the buildings. But
it's a conspiracy. Now you can be held accountable for
the damage you do. You can be found guilty of
murder if you are a co conspirator, even though you
didn't pull the trigger. But as you point out in
the article the Military Tribune, that's a legal issue that
isn't dealt with in these tribunals. It's a federal law.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Tribunals cannot try conspiracy cases. So again, Lindsey Graham Special.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I'm sorry to be picking on him.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's actually a nice guy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But again, a Republican Congressional special.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Oh, even though it's a military tribunal, they can try
civilian crimes and they'll follow the federal rules of criminal procedure.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Okay, if they're going.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
To try civilian crimes and follow the federal rules of
criminal procedure, why isn't it a regular federal jury trial
before one judge. They've had four judges in this case.
They've had four teams of prosecutors. They've had two teams
of defense lawyers. The judge sitting on the motion to
(09:10):
dismiss the indictment because of all the tortured do you
know how many pages of documents are in that motion
And he's a brand new judge in the case, forty
thousand ages he has to read.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
This is mind boggling.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The mess that they have created in the name of vengeance,
George w not justice.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, you put an exclamation point on that when you're
on and the column comes out tonight, Colleague Sheik Muhammad,
the problem with torture. You are laughing though and smiling
at the conclusion, which is as good as we can
hope for today given the subject matter. I always enjoyed
this conversation, especially on the height.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Too, but today was a special treat being able to
listen to Congressman Massey. I'm so sorry for his loss,
but I'm ecstatic that he.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is still his same old self.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Indeed, I wanted to tip my hat to him for
not showing up when Nettie, who spoke what a despicable,
disgraceful thing. That was Netting, who had an audience he
bought and paid for. Thomas Massey was not there because
he's not bought and paid for.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, we'll get this three way conversation that we had
planned before his wife's passing back on board at some point.
I know my producer work with your people in Congressman
Massy's people to make that happen, and I am really
looking forward to that day as well. Judging and Napolitano
find him online and judging Freedom. Who you talking to today?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I am talking to Phil Giraldi XCIA and the investigative
journalist to Aaron Mate, who has some very interesting observations.
I don't know how he knows this about the private
conversation between Joe Biden and Benjamin nettinga who two days ago,
in which Joe accused Biebe of lying to him, and
(10:59):
he did so in very very colorful, blue collar Scranton language.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Anxious to hear that one find a judging Freedom, look
at Facebook and YouTube and just search online generally, that
and judging Paull the time you will find him judge
until next Wednesday. God bless you, sir pleasure having you
on the program as all.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay you Brian, thank you all the best coming up in.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Eight forty four. If you have KRCY talk station cover sence,
he's a number to call. Cover. Since the John Roman
and the team will take great care of you, why
would you do it? Well, you want to pay less
for medical insurance and you want better coverage, don't we all? Well,
that's what John and the team are all about. They
work with hundreds of insurance companies, thousands of policies, but
they work for you. It's a fiduciary like relationship like
(11:40):
you have with your financial planner. They have your best
interest in mind. So what they do is do an
individual analysis of every single one of their clients. Like
if you're a group, you own a business, you have
like thirty employees, you want them to be able to
afford insurance, but they can't because maybe they're on a
bombacare pan ninety five hundred dollars out of pocket. They
don't have that kind of money. They cannot afford to
(12:00):
pay the out of pockets, so they ignore buying insurance
and put themselves at peril. Could file for bankruptcy as
a consequence of that. No, he can get them all insured.
He looks at each of them individually, puts a package
together with dollar one coverage for less money. I know
it sounds amazing and impossible. Trust me, he does this
every single day. That's why I say it's worth a
few minutes a year time to see if he can
save you all kinds of money monthly, as well as
(12:23):
put dollar one coverage in the mix. Call him up.
It's a eight five one three eight hundred Call five
one three eight hundred two two five five. You can
initiate the conversation by filling out a form online at
his website, where you can learn more about the process.
It's COVERSINSI dot Com fifty five the talk station Men.
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