AFP-OH Joins Americans for Tax Reform in Support of Ohio Senate Bill 3

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Speaker 1 (01:01):
Seven thirty here fifty five krs de Talk Station. I'm
telling you, if you saw the looking in Abby's eyes
and what an inspirational gal, that was unbelievable. Her future
is absolutely going to be a successful one. Mkyyongmarnes dot
com get involved say valuable program. Without further ado, Welcome

(01:21):
back to this fifty five Carriosey Morning Show, Donovan and
Neil for Americans for Prosperity. Donovan, good to have you
on the show today.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Brian, great as always.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I know you didn't know who I was talking about
because you probably weren't listening. Abby Smith was the award
winning Division three Young Marine of the Year sixteen years
old and is confident and is inspiring a person you'll
ever run into. Just such an awesome conversation with her. Anywow,
I flat tax? I mean is that possible? Senate Bill three?

(01:50):
What's this all about? And why is Americans for Prosperity
supporting it?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah? Well that's really exciting about Abby as well. It's
always a little humbling, right when you get someone almost
half your eight age who uh has accomplished so much?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh my god, isn't it no lesson? I mean half
my I wish she was half my age. She's thinking
for myself here, bro oh you okay, fine, Yes, he's sixty.
It's like roll back the clock please anyway, truly inspirational.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, flat tax, Yeah, so, lots of great news this morning, yesterday.
State Senator George Lang State Center Steve Huffman. These are
guys who've been fighting this fight for all years. They've
been in Columbus, last several years they've been in Columbus,
and I think we're going to get it done this year, Brian.
What this legislation would do is it would move the

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state of Ohio from two tax brackets. We've gotten down
to two tax brackets. Now how you talk about a
lot of the history there too, but right, two tax brackets.
This would move Ohio to a flat tax rate at
two point seventy five percent, the lowest in the Midwest.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it would accomplish that by the twenty twenty six
tax year. This is a key part of our buck
eyed Blueprint policy agenda. And we're thrilled that these numbers
have introduced this legislation so early and have put such
an emphasis on getting this done.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Now when you say flat and I have detractors out
there in the listening audience. Rick, I got your email.
I understand where you're coming from. But beyond that, flat
suggests no incentives or ride offs or deductions or anything
like that like we have in the federal tax code,
which is just a vehicle to manipulate people into doing
something the otherwise wouldn't do because of the incentives. I

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hate them, and I don't think even we should have
a child tax credit. I don't think we should build
a write off interest on real estate period end of story,
X amount, No ride offs, no countants, no need for
anybody in a legal department to deal with these thousands
and thousands of pages. Is that what?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
This is?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Just a flat tax?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well that's a really good point, Brian. No, like we
would ask for paying all of the various deductions, child
tax credits, the political contributions credits. But that's something we
have talked about though. Here to Americas prosperity. You know,
our friends at the Buckeye Institute put out the Piglet booklet.
We do put out a lot of money in tax expenditures,

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and I agree we need to get you know, whatever
the government wants, just let them have it. Let's keep
the compliance costs and times low. But this is an
important step and really the big vision here, Brian is
we aren't going to worry about deductions and credits in
the long run because we're working to get Ohio a
zero percent income tax. But a first step in that
right is getting everybody, all voters, all taxpayers on the

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same rate, so that together all Ohiolands can move that
rate to zero percent. So steps like this help put
a big These are big landmarks in the march to
getting Ohioan to be able to keep all of their
hard earned money on their paycheck and getting a zero
percent income tax.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, I'm knowing America for prosperity as well as I do.
I know you're probably behind the scenes fighting for that
zero that no income tax. Obviously, it's been a huge
benefit to these zero income tax states out in the world.
That's where all the blue state people with money left
and moved to. We've been trying to be a magnet
for business here in the state of Ohio since I've
been on radio and longer than that, and without much success,

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and zero income tax will probably be very successful to
lure businesses and individuals into the state of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, and it's something our friend our progressive friends don't
quite understand because they say, well, hey, like you guys,
have you Republicans have been running the state since twenty eleven,
and we haven't. We've been lowering tax rates, but we
haven't seen a massive growth in population or jobs being
located here. My argument is we haven't gone big and bold,

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right if you're just kind of incrementally tweaking things down
or shifting things around a little bit while other states
are blazing past you, Bryan, that's where the businesses are going.
So making this bold statement and saying hey, when you
locate here, you could tell your employees right when they
move from you know, New York or California, where the
panel you know, significant amounts of money twice as much

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an income tax, they're gonna be able to You're going
to see their their their paychecks increase. That's the kind
of stuff that I think helps bring that economic development
as opportunities to us.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
And so yeah, it's a it's a big statement. Well,
and here I'll try to be a little bit of
a devil's advocate the folks in Columbus saying, well, but
we need money to run the government, and it may
be too big, and we can make maybe make cuts
and get rid of fraud, waste abuse, but in the
final analysis, salaries need to be paid government services and
must continue. How can we do that without the income tax?

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One might ask, well, Uh, the.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
The funny thing is is, you know, the income tax
is only one of the many ways the vampire that is, state, local,
and federal government get their claws or their their their
vampire teeth into your paycheck. Right, But what we've seen
is that's a false narrative, right right, And in twenty fifteen,
the state of Ohio collected eight point five billion dollars

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from residents ten years ago. What we've what we've seen
is that increase even as we cut the income tax,
shrunk brackets to three point five percent, with top marginal
rate to ten point seven to nine billion. So what
that is is a twenty six percent increase Brian in
the last ten years, as we've moved from a top

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marginal rate of four point nine to nine to a
top marginal rate of three point five percent. That's not
to say also, what happens in local sales taxes now
that people have more of that harder money not going
to Columbus, but able to be spent locally improvements to
their homes that are fueling rising property tax values, which
are another paying point for a lot of folks, but

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support the schools that are government funded. Let alone the
gas tax that maybe you use to drive up to
the shores of Lake Erie and hang on a seat
or point. That gas tax which lawmakers and Columbus raised
not long ago on us Brian fuels. The roads and
bridges we have in our states so supposed to still
finds its way into your pocket. We just think you

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should be the one deciding where you want to spend
that money, how you want to spend that money. And
getting Ohio a flat income taxes the first step.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
To getting us to zero fair enough, and I know
many people suggest as opposed to an income tax, at
least on a federal level, there should be a federal
sales tax to fund the government, which means everybody who
buys literally anything is going to be responsible for the
workings of government. It puts everybody, you know, everybody then
has a stake in it, and they maybe more people

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would complain about the size and scope in the reach
of government if they had to pay out of their
pockets when they're buying things. Is AFP have a position
on that kind of thing, at least maybe on a
federal basis. I know you're with the Ohio chapteran Americans
for Prosperity, but just kind of moving over and into
that argument.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, Well, we're big fans of what the twenty seven
team Trump tax cuts did, and the big part of
that is what we've been able to accomplish the last
two decades in Ohio. Right is lowering brackets, shrinking brackets,
lowering top borrowing rates and especially the top marginal rate,
and expanding the standard deduction. The idea there being right,

(09:17):
let's keep things as simple as possible so folks don't
have to keep receipts all year. I think the sale
you're getting to, like a national sales tax in place
of an income tax is a is a worthwhile endeavor
as well. The goal here being we want to make
folks interactions with the federal government as quick, easy, and
painless as possible while ensuring they get to keep as
much of their hard earned money as possible. Right, the

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government only takes what it truly needs to do. The
real core functions comes with the federal government, Brian, beyond
border security and national security, uh and making sure we
can get across the country. There ain't a lot much
more than I think the government federal government needs to
be involved in if you ask me. But that's also
an exciting time federal government with tax reform and what

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the new Republican majority is advocating for.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
All Right, as far as Center Bill three is concerned,
it sounds me like you're optimistic. You got the votes
for that two point seventy five percent flat income tax
rate in the state of Ohio. How do my listeners
reach out and help in this effort?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com. Buckeye blueprint dot com.
There's a place you can take action there. Sign up
to get alerts and updates. We'll be bringing folks to
the state House. We'll be rallying, we'll be doing all
the good stuff. We've got to give these folks support
and let them know they got to get it done
and get it done quick.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Don On Americans for Prosperity Buckeye Blueprint dot com. Get
in touch with them and follow them along the way.
I appreciate everything you're doing, Donovan, and I'll look forward
to our next conversation here on the fifty five CAC
Morning Show. Always look forward to it. Thanks Brian, Thanks
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