Furness Show 4-25: NFL Draft Day, Greg Cosell, Rob Rang.

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their pr staff and just the hospitalitythat they provide, the access that
they provide us, and not justus on KJR, but also the media
as a whole. They make itreally easy to cover this draft by being
out here and just kind of beingin the mix and getting the interviews you
need to get done with John Schneiderand other scouts, et cetera. We're

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back here yet again. I believethe first year that we were out here
at the draft at the Virginia MasonAthletic Center was two thousand and nine and
we were downstairs actually in a small, much smaller room back then. It
has grown and I think since abouttwenty ten, maybe twenty eleven, but
no, I think twenty ten thefirst time we were here upstairs in this

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room, which is normally the defensivemeeting room for the Seahawks. It's a
big well, we'll send a pictureout on Instagram in a second. It
is there. It is, Oh, there, it is, Okay,
there you go. It's empty.Right now. I'm jealous and kind of
a little bit upset and bitter becauseGreg Bell was here and I had a
nice streak going. I was thefirst media member and radio person here every

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single year since they started letting usdo this here, showing up usually at
one o'clock. The show for somereason has been extended to noon. I
don't know. That was never runby me, but I guess that's the
new point. But we've always beenhere at one, and today Greg Bell
beat me to the punch at teno'clock. But our coverage on KJR eleven

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hours today, eleven hours tomorrow,and I'm trying to do the math at
least probably roughly eight hours on Saturdaythat we will be broadcasting right here,
right I mean, and I say, the shores of Lake Washington. I
can look out. The rain ispelting against the window, and Lake Washington
is a probably about a fifty yardfield goal away from where we sit here

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on the second floor, So thatpaints the picture for where we're at.
Let me tell you what we're doing. And I kind of this here's a
nice thing. When no one's here. I kind of feel like I can
talk in normal radio voice. Yeah, it's great, which I like now
there are some on our radio station, Saftie that all that come in here
and it's basically his whole show isable to be consumed by the people that

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are one hundred and fifty feet infront of us all the way to the
front of the room. I knowBob Candota, Greg Bell and others really
enjoy it the volume being as loudas it is, but I kind of
I tone it down a wee bitout of respect and one's working in here.
But today with nobody here until threeo'clock, Hey, we're gonna crank
it up and have some fun.We have a big show. We have
to make sure coming up Great coCel one o'clock today. First of that's

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that's know this Great co Cell onepm. He'll join us, so that'll
be and we're gonna go through thefirst round with him and kind of like,
who's we haven't really we've really beenSeahawks centric when in the last month
and a half with Greg the lastwhat five six weeks we've had him on,
We're gonna just take the broader viewbecause I know, listen when people

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turn it on tonight five o'clock.I would recommend the NFL network. I
think they do a better job,to be honest with you than the guys
with the four letters. But youwatch whatever you want to watch, listen
to us as we follow along withwhatever going on Seahawk wise. Please do
that on the iHeartRadio app or juston the radio, the old school radio.
But the apps are for you aswell. But when we've been really
Seahawks centric, we will be Seahawkscentric. But when you turn it on

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today, when you're watching the draft, everyone wants to know who's is Caleb
Williams truly the number one guy?He wasn't in the Mauler Millan mock draft
yesterday. It was Jade Daniels.But is Caleb Williams one? What does
Greg think about the quarterbacks? Thattier of quarterbacks. We'll get into that
talk about I'm gonna Askhi about BrockBauers. Haven't talked about him yet,
Fatanu, we haven't done him yetat all with co sales. So we'll

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get to a bunch of different topicsto kind of freshen things up. When
Cosell joins us at one o'clock today, Rob rang will be with us just
after two o'clock, kind of leadinginto Softy and Hugh Millen. I think
coach Holmgren is he coming by today. I believe he's okay, but I
know he will be here with Dickand Softy, So we'll kind of lead
you into three o'clock and then thedraft starts at five pm CX. Right
now, of course, still holdthe number sixteen pick. We all know

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that. We also all know thatJohn Schneider would probably like to trade down.
That's the assumption. Hasn't done itsince twenty nineteen. Remember that has
done it six times, but hasn'tdone it since twenty nineteen. So this
will be his fifteenth draft, butit'll be his first without Pete Carroll.
Give me the quick rundown. JustI think it's important to understand how the

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draft works. Three days, Roundone today five pm. It starts.
Each team in round one has tenminutes to make their pick, all right,
that's the max ten minutes to maketheir pick in the first round.
Tomorrow is second and third round,rounds four through seven on Saturday. Now
in round two you get seven minutes, so it cuts back to three last

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minutes in two, and then fiveminutes in rounds three, four, five,
and six. Four minutes in roundseven. So when we get to
round three tomorrow, it speeds upquite a bit when we get to five
minutes for each pick, and thenthat's the case again on Saturday, rounds
four, five, and six.On Saturday, you've got, you've got,

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you've got just the four minutes,five minutes, and then four minutes
in round seven. So it justit speeds up quite a bit. Gone
are the days of the fifteen minutetime limit in the first round we had
years ago, thank god. Soit just it gets humming along pretty good.
So that's a three day draft outlooksdraft is taking place in Detroit,
but really all the action is here. I think Greg's made has done a

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good job of articulating that there's likeone person for the Seahawks, two people.
Actually they have some meat. Ithink they have some they're digital teams
there. But really the just decisionmakers are all here in the draft room
in Seattle. If someone answers thephone, hands a card out, and
that's about it gives us. Givesomebody a hat if they're in a tennis
Now, not every first round pickis going to be in Detroit today,

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Not every guy that's expected to bethere or expected to be picked in the
first round be in Detroit, sothere's a chance Seattle will not have their
if they do pick at sixteen,will not have their pick even there,
depending on who that is. There'salso a rumor, I don't know if
you guys got you one, alittle rumor. I love rumors, do
it. This has nothing to dowith the football part of it. Uh,
And it was. It was.It's since been taken down. But

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the guy had the guy that coversthe NFL are somebody. He's got five
hundred thousand followers or something on Xso he's not a total dipstick. I
don't think I keep wanting to saya comedian's name. It's it's right.
Sorry. He had a tweet upearlier that said that the Seahawks are expected
day to debut new uniforms tonight whentheir first pick is so. But then

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he took it down, got atip and he wasn't supposed to yet.
That's why I read those things.But here's the odd thing I like,
Like I just said, like,they may not pick at sixteen. Hell,
they could not even pick until theend of the first round, or
they could even trade out of thefirst round. So if you're gonna debut
your new uniforms. It seems likean odd time to do it right,

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well, national stage, But whatif it doesn't work out where you even
have a pick? What if whatif your pick isn't there's not going to
be there, for example, soyou take camp it's not there, But
you're saying, what if they tradeout of it and they don't have that
first round on the stage dragons,but if the player is not there?
Yeah, because not all of themare president, all of them are there?

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Wait jersey? Oh, I seethey don't hold up the jersey.
Oh they just do that for numberThey might have a number one, but
yeah, it's it's different. Idon't know, well no, because I
know they put the name plates onthings, like what are they so new?
They just did unless they're going togo back to the blues full time
and we don't know what those looklike. And Denver's, by the way,

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look like the sea dragons for theXFL the like, like like the
Broncos uniforms look like to see dragons. Yeah, I don't I understand the
kind of the facade with like goingback to the throwbacks, but those are
so ugly. Man. Oh mygod, you don't like the Blues.
No, No, the Denvers Denvers. Yeah, well everything about Denver's dumb.
Yeah, I mean first of all, the Broncos. Yeah, I

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mean, you know, like they'rethey're your old AFC West rival. Uh,
they're basically they they are the dumbestfranchise in the NFL because they took
Russell on with I mean, andthen they kicked them to the curb.
Yeah, like yeah, it's yeah, you don't want to ever mimic what
they're doing. Enough colors just donot go together. No, But anyway,
so keep an eye on that.Maybe that does happen. I figured

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I'll throw that one out there.I've got some more from Rapaport. I
did talk to him. He's he'sburied today, but we have a brief,
quick conversation with him. He doesnot think Seattle is in the market
for a quarterback in the first round. Okay, is what he's hearing.
So again, I don't know ifanybody tells the truth. My guess is,
in fact, in the next segment, we're gonna revi is it.
A quick little bit from Mike Holmgrenyesterday in which he talked about and went

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through kind of the process of atrade, and no one knows it better
than Mike. He did it foryears. He was part of it as
the coach in Green Bay, watchingTed Thompson and Ron Wolf and those guys
do it. He was here inSeattle obviously running the show for many years.
He'll walk you through. I thinkit's a really if you missed it
yesterday, he'd kind of walk youthrough how the process works. When John

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Schneider's you know, is he inthe draft room, is he in his
office? How does it works?What's the leg work that's got into it,
because listen, everyone's on the phonetoday, everyone's out there trying to
see what they can do. Youknow, the one team that probably isn't
worrying about what they're going to dois is Chicago. They know what they're
gonna do at number one. Butafter that, the trickle down effect happens.
So he'll kind of walk you through. You have to have a trade

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partner. I know that's breaking news. Thanks tips, but you've got to
have a trade To have a tradepartner, it's not as easy as just
say, hey, they want totrade down, they're going to trade down.
You got to find somebody to dothat as well. There are multiple
teams with two second round picks.I think that that's the key, is
that they need to find a pickin the second round. That's it just

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makes all the sense in the worldto go from sixteen and have to wait
till eighty one. Overall, andwith the holes that they need to try
to fill via the draft, itdoesn't make sense not to try to make
a move and get it now.The other thing they can do, guys,
they've made draft day trades before withplayers. The other thing they can
The other thing they can do aswell, and think about this, is

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they can also trade future draft picks, so they could still in theory,
take a pick at sixteen and stillget a pick in the second round by
moving something down the road as well. So there's a lot of different things.
Softy and Hugh and Dick will beon the air starting at three o'clock.
They'll walk you through it. Thenwe'll jump back on Humil and Rob
Rang and myself from seven until nine. That part of it will be simulcast

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on Fox Local, so you cansee the stream or listen on the app,
and all that will be on theradio. We don't have any cracking
games. Last I checked, they'renot in the playoffs, so we don't
have any cracking games either. Reendchecks break. Can you confirm that for
me? Racken are not in theplayoffs and so we're not gonna be preempted
or moved over to nine fifty.We'll be here on the FM dial ninety
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set the table for something for youguys as well to get interactive today,
uh with talkbacks and text messages aswell. I'm going to walk you through
how the trade process works. Andon top of that, we're gonna go
listen back to some of our keyguys, our analyst palozol oraang Cosel about
some of the big players that couldbe available for Seattle. That makes sense,
We'll do all of that starting nextsegment ninety three point three KJFM.

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for a day to draft miss officeparty. Did they get that right?
Okay? Good? Uh they willbe there tomorrow starting at leave at five
pm. So good, a littlehappy hour afternoon, check it out,

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hangout. Not often, I meanit is not often at all that you
get Chuck Pollell out of the studio, out of the comfortable confines of Elliott
Avenue West. He's out there inthe in the public. I mean,
that's like letting the lions loose atthe zoom A show. Just hang it.
I mean a full access Ashley,you can find it a bar all
the time. That's that's not alot of and Bucky same thing. But

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this is a whole in camouflage.Yeah. So if you want to go
join join them more, it shouldbe a lot of fun. I'd actually
like to go there, but we'regoing to be here instead of the Virginia
Mason Athletic Center. So that's tomorrowcoming up. Okay, we're setting up
the draft today. We're gonna behere into till nine o'clock tonight on the
radio, and we'll be simulcasting onFox Local as well. So we are

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all over the draft. I lookingright now. NFL Networks coverage already underway
in Detroit, Michigan as a getready for the draft there, and we
have it all covered, great cosel. At one o'clock we'll go through
some names and some kind of startreintroducing. I think in a sense Andrews
did a terrific job of pulling allthe audio out from the last month and
a half two months as we preparedfor the draft of all these different guys,

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Paulozzolo's thoughts on guys, Rang's thoughts, co sales thoughts. We'll get
to some of that in a second. But we had Mike home grin on
yesterday. He'll be here later ontoday. By the way, just for
those worrying about picture Gate, Iwalked in. One of the first things
I saw was a picture of myof Mike home Rent up here. Yeah,
so there's like the whole nonsense aboutworrying about what came down Pitchwiser hallway

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that no one's ever gonna seize overblown. So it's a total nothing burger.
So but Michael be here later.But we had them on yesterday,
our Wednesday visit with Mike, andfirst thing we uh, well, hear
from him in a second on howthe trade process works. We'll get to
that in a second, which isjust a it's fascinating to hear a guy
that's been through it kind of walkyou through as a fan, us as
media members. We're not in there. We have no idea. We're sitting

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out here. We're down the hall, I mean down the hall. All
hell's breaking loose. We're down here, and it's you know, we're just
waiting when our next meal's coming.That's all we care about. So,
oh my god, the crab cakes, Yeah, they're good. Let me
do this. Let me get toMike holmgrean right now. Yesterday, first
time fifteen years for John Schneider draftinghere, first time without Pete Carroll,
his fifteenth draft, fourteen previous allwith Pete Carroll. So we asked,

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Mike Holmgren, how do you thinkthe draft will go with McDonald and Schneider.
Mike McDonald, I assume it'd bevery involved, but not having a
final say, how challenging do youthink it is for this scouting staff that
John has assembled. The four guysI just mentioned Mike, they've been it's
with the Seahawks have combined sixty yearswith Schneider, I mean, and John's
going to his fifteenth draft. Butthey have a new coach and a new

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coaching staff. Is that a challengeat all? Knowing, you know,
trying to do you even care whatMike McDonald thinks. I would hope you
would. But how does that work? Yeah? Well, I think what
happens is and John before he hiredthe coach. Okay, these are things
that had to be talked about andreally thought about. How were we going
to work together? And from bothsides, both Mike and John had to

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come up with an idea that thisis going to work. Otherwise it doesn't
work. It doesn't work unless thosetwo guys are doing the same thing.
And I go back, I goback to my time in Green Bay where
Ron Wolf was my boss. Iwas a new head coach, first time
head coach in the league, andclearly he was my boss, and he
had been a long time, greatgeneral manager, great guy for the Raiders

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and all that kind of stuff,and he had final say, but he
didn't make any decision. He reallydidn't make any decision on a player until
we talked. The talk through it, and there were times when I'd say,
you know, I didn't agree necessarily. The best example is he wanted
to draft to flow back in theyou know, high and early in my

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career there, and you know,I said, you know, we like
this other guy more, and hewent with me, and that fullback stayed
with us, was a great,great player for Green Bay for a long
time. So we didn't never havean argument. We worked together even though
if we said, okay, weboth I want him, I want him,

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he goes, okay, I gottago this way because he had final
say. And I think that's howMike and John are going to work.
Yeah, I think it's it's it'sthe collaboration will be interesting. I think
the fact that it's maybe we'll learna little bit about what they've done the
previous fourteen years, if things havechanged it all in terms of what the
draft looks like. And you know, they certainly took a reach and took
some flyers on guys with the year. We'll see if they do that coming
up starting tomorrow and then obviously throughthe weekend as well. Mike Congrin joining

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us here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Inside a draft room. I think
Nolan brought this up the other day. They said, you guys would all
be kind of surprised. It's quitequiet in there. There's not a lot
of like back and forth collaboration.Like you said, you maybe it's you
the head coach and the GM orspeaking and that's about it. What is
it like? I mean, you'vebeen in forty nine Ers, Packers,
Seahawks, Browns, You've been indifferent different draft rooms. Are they similar?

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Are there some common themes to allthese draft rooms? I think so
well. I think, you know, I grew up in the league with
the forty nine ers, and Billran it in a certain way, and
I think I probably ran it thesame way. And so you know,
it is quiet, you know,because there's stuff to do. There might
be a conversation between me and I'llgo over to a scout or a coach

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or you know, coaches talk,but everyone has their responsibilities in the room.
There are phones all over the place. There's a guy. I think
it might be different now, butthere were phones on all over the place.
There are books in front of you, there are draft boards. There's
three or four boards around. Youtry and anticipate who's going to draft who,

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and you had people assigned to that. You have people that actually,
you know, one of the greatguys in the league came out of book,
Michael Lombardi, who was with Belichickfor years in New England, and
he was the Cleveland Browns general managerand all this kind of We called him
Scoop because what his job with theforty nine ers was, Okay, we're
gonna draft this guy. You gowhere his job is to go, get
him off the board, take himaround, show him to everybody, and

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then put him up on the otherboard. That was his job. And
so you have guys doing those kindsof things too. So it's fun.
I remember inviting John. I alwaysinvite John Nordstrom to the draft room and
he'd sit in the corner and Idraft somebody. I'd turn around, he
nod, or he'd goes. Idon't know. It was fun, but
he was good and obviously he caredabout football, and it's an exciting time.

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But there's a lot of downtime too. You leave the office, go
into your office, you know,wait for phone calls from people. Surprising
things happen during the day of thedraft. I'm looking through here and I
know that. Okay, all right, so there we go that surprising things
happened during the drafts as Mike Hongrin. Those surprising things are trades. Some

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are expected, some are not.Most are never predicted. It's so funny.
Everyone's predicting trades and moves and tradeall. It's not gonna go like
any I think we've done this thingin the past. I think I can
rip on it now because we're notdoing it this year. But it was
back when we were doing it showsat Dino's before the draft, and it
might have been the Maler mill Inmock draft. In conjunction with that that
we had this massive prize to giveaway if you could predict the entire first

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round of the draft one through thirtytwo, and now that would include a
trade, like you'd have to nailit. Yeah, I don't know what
it was, like some extraordinary amountof money. It's it's right up there.
They're a trillion to one right becauseyou have no idea what team AB
or C is going to do.If someone trades, would you have to

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get the exact SI. Yes,yeah, we did that one year and
I remember I remember promoting and I'mlike, oh, okay, this is
this is as about as much Thismakes it about as much sense as well.
If you can predict the whole tournament, which I've told you guys back
when the tournament started that it's neverhappened. In twenty nineteen, a guy
got to the sweet sixteen with thebig brackets. Yeah, that's it,
Like it never has happened. Soanyway, that's I bring that up because

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it's really hard to predict. Andpart of the hard parts to predict,
you, like Mike said, isthat you know, crazy things happen.
Well, some of those crazy thingsare the trades. Here's Mike ho Grin
from yesterday and I've just a greatexplanation and he kind of walks us through
how it works with trades, phonecalls, who you're calling, who you're
talking to, How transparent you are, Coach Holgren, what is it like?

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I mean, you've been in fortynine Ers, Packers, Seahawks,
Browns. You've been in different differentdraft rooms. Are they similar? Are
there some common themes to all thesedraft rooms? I think so well.
I think, you know, Igrew up in the league with the forty
nine ers, and Bill ran ina certain way, and I think I
probably ran it the same way.And so you know, it is quiet,

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you know, because there's stuff todo. There might be a conversation
between me and I'll go over toa scout or a coach or you know,
coaches talk, but everyone has theirresponsibilities in the room. There are
phones all over the place. There'sa guy that I think it might be
different now, but there were phoneson all over the place. There are
books in front of you, thereare draft boards. There's three or four

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boards around you trying to anticipate who'sgoing to draft who. And you had
people assigned to that. You havepeople that actually, you know, one
of the great guys in the leaguecame out of book. Michael Lombardi,
who was with Belichick for years inNew England, and he was the Cleveland
Browns general manager and all this kindof we called him Scoop because what he
his job with the forty nine erswas Okay, we're gonna draft this guy.

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He'd go where his job is togo, get him off the board,
take it around, show him toeverybody, and then put him up
on the other board. That washis job. And so you have guys
doing those kinds of things too,so it's fun. I remember inviting John.
I always invite John Nordstrom to thedraft room, yep. And he's
sit in the corner and I draftsomebody. I'd turn around, he nod
or he'd go. I don't know. It was fun, but he was

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good and obviously he cared about football. And it's an exciting time. But
there's a lot of downtime too.You leave the office, go into your
office, you know, wait forphone calls from people. Surprising things happen
during the day of the draft.I'm looking through here and I know that,
like I, hear a lot whileSchneider likes to draft trade with certain

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teams, and he kind of does. And now I'm looking back at the
two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand and two Mike Homgrian drafts.
I'm guessing it's not a coincidence.Maybe it is, but I'm looking
at some of the trades trade toSan Francisco, to San Francisco, trade
to Green Bay, another trade toGreen Bay. There's another one to Green
Bay and another one to San Francisco. It's funny that, like, is

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there a familiarity? Do you likegoing with guys that you know? Even
like you left the organizations? ButI'm sure the relationships are still strong.
Is that something to keep an eyeon you? You kind of stay with
the guys, you know, youtry to trade with the guys. You
know. Maybe it's a trust factor. I don't know, Yeah, there,
you know what, there is atrust factor. And also you know,
they they those phone calls didn't alwayscome from me to them. They

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they phoned me too, so uh, you know, and and and look
at I was relatively new and howat holding that position, and so I'm
sure they thought they could take advantageof me a little bit. But I
had some funny things, you know. Bill walshone me once and said we'd
like to move up two spaces beforein front of you, you know,

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And I said, well, ora spa or maybe one spot. And
I said, coach, I youknow what, if you want to pick
the guy I want, I can'tdo that. He goes, well,
what if I told you he wasweighed more than two hundred and fifty The
guy I want weighs more than twohundred and sixty pounds, So I knew
that wasn't the guy I wanted.So I said, okay, we'll do

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the deal. So you know youdo stuff like that. But yeah,
I would say, having said youdeal with your friends, I will also
say, don't trust anybody. Don'tbelieve anybody because they're working it too.
They're working at pretty good and atthe end, if they get you,

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they laugh a little bit and theyteach you about it. Okay, I'll
wrap it up at this. Iam curious because I remember you've told me
that wall story before, and Ijust as you're telling me again, I'm
thinking about this for a second.I'm sure you had a lot of calls
like that, either you're making oravice versa where their guys want to move
up, move down, like whateverthe case is, And do you guys

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are you honest with each other?You said not to trust anybody, but
there's probably got to be some timeslike hey, I'm not going to pay
a quarterback, like how did thoseconversations go and does anybody ever screw the
other guy? Because I would thinkthat would be like one of those things
that's just taboo, like you can'tdo that. You're gonna You're gonna pay
a price down the road. Butthere has to be some sort of pro
Is there any kind of transparency atall? I think there is, And

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I think you said it right.I think you know you're you're you're bouncing
around a little bit on certain thingswhen you're talking to the conversation and you're
you're laughing, you're joking. Ineed this. And when when you get
right down to the nitty gritty andhe's a friend of yours, there,
somebody you coached with or someone youknow, then it's it's straight shooting that

(27:37):
that had been my experience. Youknow, no one ever. I never
got gemmed up that way with oneof my colleagues or one of my friends.
So I set the guys, youknow, yeah, like so like
like Schneider's on the phone to Marrowsis like I got sixteen. I want
to move down, but I wantto do this, and the guys wants
to come up and you're like,how transparent would he be in saying listen,
like I need to move down totwenty two or wherever it might be,

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and I'm going to get this guyor vice versa, or somebody wants
to move up to his spot.How transparent are they? Well, they
probably wouldn't name the player, butthey about a movement. They talk about
movement absolutely. In fact, oneof the things that you do before it
even starts, you phone every team, every team regards to where you are
and say, listen, if youwant to come up to my say you

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had a pick in the first sevenpicks, ten picks. You phone everybody,
say you want to come up,give me a call. If your
guys you know, give me acall if your guys there, maybe we
can do something. So you alerteverybody that that communication can take place,
you know. And so I imagineI don't think the Bears are doing it
now, but they have the firstpick in the draft, but there are

(28:44):
people that they want to. Everyone'son the phone trying to move up and
trying to get the player they want, particularly when you have this many quarterbacks.
You know, that's such a bigdeal this year. Great insight from
Mike cl Obern there, and yeah, that's the key is you have,
you know, all these guys thatare in that top tier quarterbacks. Maybe
it's first tier, second tier,but those six guys, and that's going

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to determine a lot what happens inthis draft as teams are looking for that.
The thought that Seattle's desperate for quarterback, I think is still just a
massive misnomer. They have one forthis year, they may have one for
the next two years, howls undercontract till next year. They may not.
But nobody speaking about it outside ofa room down the hall where they're

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not going to tell you yes orno, has a definitive answer. In
other words, when you hear peoplesay, well, six meet a quarterback,
they may not think that, butwe don't know. We have no
idea, no, and they'll nevertell. But we don't know. We
don't know. So, but thereare teams that do need a quarterback.
There are teams that desperately need aquarterback that have nothing Burgers, zeros and

(29:51):
guys that should be on a practicesquad as the only quarterbacks going into mini
camps and no ta. So thereare teams that do need one. As
far as Seattle is concerned, wedon't know, we do know this,
massive holes on the defensive line,big time holes on the offensive line.
They do need to address those,whether it's in the first round, trade
into the second round, or otherwise. So, okay, so we got
that, all right, Andrews,you wonder bank bank through a little some

(30:11):
sound here to start with we do. Let me go first. I'm just
kind of looking here. You knowwhat we're going to talk about Troy Fatanu
with Cosell coming up at two atone o'clock today, let me jump down
to Steve Polozolo and and he talksabout Fa Tanu, and that's we're gonna

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run out of time, aren't we. I don't want to do that,
you know what. I don't careabout time. We'll do this. How
about how about Palozolo talking about twooffensive linemen is the very first cut?
Okay, anders from U from StevePalosolo talking about the former Husky and also
a guy from Duke that might fithere as well. Yeah, so I
would say the two tackles, theguys that we would call tackles right now
play tackle in college. The twoguys who will go in the first or

(30:56):
second round and will potentially move toguard. Graham, You know, Graham
Barton from Duke and then Troy howwe pronouncing it pont Neu from Washingtonto.
Yeah, I screwed it up earlier. Yeah, Fatana, that's fine.
It's fine. So and I thinkI think either guy, depending on the
team, could play at tackle.Which is interesting because once you get into

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the teams, there are teams likethe Seahawks, there's other teams that have
offensive line needs and you say,hey, Grim Barton could be a good
fit because there are some people wholike Graham Barton at the center, some
people like him at guard, andhe played tackle at Duke and he probably
could do that. And Fatanu anotherguy that is short for a tackle but
has plenty of arm lengths to playtackle, but also you know, could

(31:37):
play guard. You know, bothguys are very good athletes, and as
I do, think they have thatposition flexibility. So if we were just
looking at, you know, tryingto map a guard to Seattle at sixteen,
I don't know if they would gothat way or trade down. Candidate,
can they trade down into the twentiesand say at one of these guys,
It seems like Graham Barton from Dukeand Troy Fatanu from Washington are the

(31:59):
best fits there Atano at six fourthree seventeen. But he does, as
you said, he's got the longarm, so that that does kind of
equal things out, or does itin the NFL? Like do NFL teams
look at six four and say that'sjust too small, too short to play
guard or tackle? I say,no, I don't. I mean some
teams might. But this guy,like Zach tom Is with the Packers,

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I think he's only sixty three.He had he's having a he had a
great year last year for Green Bayplaying right tackle. We've seen guys like
Isaiah Win may have been more likesix two sixty three. I think the
arm length is a bigger deal ratherthan the height. You know, the
high thing is usually like, oh, I assume he'll have small arms,
but they but they don't are shortarms, but they don't. So I
think I think either guy could playtackle. But I think, you know,

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some teams are going to definitely lookat at those two first round potential
players as guards. The PFF rankingsare done by Trevor Sikima, who absolutely
loves him. Troy fonts Patamo.I mean, he absolutely loves him.
And if you look at the wayhe moved at just the combine like y'uring
the combine drills. Sometimes it justlooks different for some guys when they're going
through their foot or drill s.Patanu is definitely that. I don't care

(33:02):
if he plays tackle or guard.I'm usually of the mind that tackles a
little bit more valuable. I'd ratherhave a guy try there. But I
think, you know, if youare talking about maybe there are potential injury
issues down the road. The positionflexibility is great, but I think he's
you know, he could play guardsfor Seattle productive career at Washington. I

(33:22):
think zone blocking scheme where you justtry, like when you're trying to get
him out in space, he isjust incredible Fatanu. I mean all the
movement stuff. So when you talkabout the what type of scheme or what
type of what type of things doyou want this guy doing right getting out
into space? You know, topsuite type of plays, zone type of

(33:42):
plays, pin and poll type ofplays where your guards are needed to not
just pull and you know, bea hammer, but pull and get to
the second level, take out alinebacker, take out a safety. Patano
does that great, and uh andGraham Barton's actually a really good athlete too.
He had one of the best workoutswe've seen for an offensive lineman.
Is ours movement skills go over thelast couple of years, So Barton can

(34:02):
he can do some damage in therun game, I think, both at
the point of attack and out inspace as well. So again, I
think we're talking about two really versatile, really flexible players who were left tackles
in college who can move around.All right, good stuff there from Seatpel's.
We'll come back and talk about anotheroffensive linement, a couple more that
could fit forth with Seattle needs.Will do that next nine three point three
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getting ready for the NFL Draft.We are just over four hours away from
the first picks being announced. Thecourse of Chicago Bears will be on the
clock, expected to take Caleb Williamsnumber one overall, Seattle selecting at number
sixteen. That's the schedule right now. Barring a trade, they'll pick around

(34:53):
right around a little after seven o'clock. We believe if again they stand in
the sixteen spot, if they amove, then that'll probably Usually when they
do make a trade, it's rightbefore that pick. So any activity with
the Seahawks barring the unprecedented move ofJohn Schneider moving up in the draft for
the first time. He has neverdone that in fourteen years. But if

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he were to do that, thenwe'd have a earlier movement, but probably
a pretty quiet time here in Seattleuntil right around seven o'clock tonight. Offensive
line a big, big focus.We just heard about Fatanu with Steve Polozolo.
We'll talk about him with Greg Cosellin a minute. How about another
guy. There's another guy that Ithink is a really interesting player. Graham
Barton is an offensive line kind ofversatile guy, has really played all over

(35:37):
the offensive line. Let's get firstSteve Polozzolo talking about Graham Barton, and
then we'll hear from Rob rang Yeah, I mean he can. You always
hear about finish for offensive lineman,and he can. When when Barton gets
his hands in the right spot,he can absolutely finish and move people.
He's got power, power to drive. You mentioned the combined workout. It

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was one of the I've seen.It was it was one of the best.
Like I run numbers on all this, you know what projects to NFL
success. And if you when Iwhen I sort Barton with the tackles,
his three cone, his shuttle,four nine, seven forty, all of
those things added up, it's oneof the most productive pro days or pro
days that that will potentially lead toproduction historically. So I love that about

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Barton. And again, there aresome people when he was going to go
to the Senior Bowl, Jim Naggey, who runs the Senior Bowl, said
they wanted to try him at center. So he's got this position versatility where
he could play. Some people sayall five positions. Everybody will have a
favorite like mcguard like him, atackle like him at center, whatever it
might be. I would again,I could try him at tackle, but
if I'm Seattle, have no problemtrying trying him at guard or at center.

(36:45):
Again, moves well, moves peoplein the run game, pretty good
in past protection, and a reallygood athlete. Let's get Rob Rang's thought
on that same player, Graham Barton, Well, he first came into Duke
and he, uh, stay askedme to play center. And so as
a as a young man eighteen nineteenyears old, playing center again in the
close quarters of all that, that'stough duty and he was able to do

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that. But give Duke credit.They recognize that this is their best offensive
lineman, and so they moved himoff to left tackle as a sophomore,
and that's where he's played ever since. Now he's got kind of that short
arm thing we talked about with Fulagaa little bit, uh, and so
that's one of the reasons why hecould slide back inside. He can.
I like him as a guard.I think he could be the number one

(37:28):
guard in this class, uh,in a lot of ways if he's especially
depending on where you want to putlike a guy like Photono if you believe
he's the left tackle, but he'sgonna be in the conversation to number one
guard in this class. He's gotthe physicality and the agility to kind of
play up and down the line.I don't love him as a left tackle
in the NFL, but I thinkthat he can give he can he can

(37:49):
play that spot for you in apants again, be that somebody that kind
of pushed the Charles Cross. Ithink he's at his best in the inside,
and again because he has the experienceat center, he played some guard
at the Senior Bowl, and ofcourse played most of his career at left
tackle and duke. He absolutely isthe most versatile of this year's first round
caliber offensive lineman. I wouldn't buyall bat an eye at the sea owk

(38:12):
take them at number sixteen. Iknow that a lot of people they would
perceive that as a bit of areach, But if the Sea Hawks feel
good about who he is, Ithink it's important. That's something I want
to make sure I talk about.The sea of course, have very little
experience along their offensive line. Theyneed a guy who is gonna be kind
of the the guy d junk YardGog, the leader along that offensive line.

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You have some kind of soft spokenoffensive lineman on that squad, as
you well know, and so Ithink that that's going to be important.
Whoever they make their left guard,I think he's gonna have to have a
little bit of spit fire to him. And I believe that Graham Barton as
well as Oregon center slash guard Jacksonpowers Johnson to me, both of those
two players, along with the threemantion before those are the five offensive line

(38:54):
that I think a make an offuloffense because they have the size, just
Caliy, athletic ability, but allso the character to to push. This
year it got much further. Allright, that's a grand Barton. Yeah,
I think good good comments from bothPaulozolo and Rob rang On. Graham
Barton. I just it's to me, it's it's interesting with if they move
down a guy that makes sense inthat first round, maybe second round,

(39:15):
what have you. But also that'sthe kind of pick that no one will
be excited about like that that thatwon't be a pick that that fans get
excited about, but it is amuch needed position to improve and stuff up.
In the wild card is Anthony Bradford, who was a fourth round pick
last season, a day last year, a Day three guy, but a
fourth round pick, which is prettyhigh pick. Like I mean, there're

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still you get guys in the fourthround you're expecting them to play step in
he did last year. He playeda lot more football than maybe they thought
he would because Phil Haynes was hurt. Although if you have Phil Fans on
your roster, you probably should assumeit's gonna be hurt. But but but
but Bradford did play. Can hetake that next step? That's the questions.
You know, the two kind ofwildcards in this that are on the

(39:58):
roster right now are brad Ford andOld the Timmy. Those are the two
wildcards that that as you know,as people are looking through going well,
they don't have an offensive line.They may not, they may have some
big holes. Or maybe maybe Scotthuff is sitting in that offensive line room
saying I really like Bradford, Ireally like Old the Timmy again, things
that just it could be the case, but Barton does seem to make sense.

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They need to find some depth aguard. They don't have that right
now. And then there's a wildcardof Abe Lucas's health and where he's at
too. So so that's all that'sall that comes into play. All right,
here's what we gonna do. Takea quick break. I told you
I was gonna set something up foryou guys, and that would be this
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Go to the iHeartRadio app and fireaway your thoughts, your questions,
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me what you want. If youwant them to move down and say I
want to move down, if youwant him to draft Penics, you want
him to move Penics. Whatever yourwish list is. I want to hear

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what Seahawks fans pre draft want tosee happen today, whether it be on
the text line also of course onthe uh on the voice text as well,
So send those to us. Thisis very in line with draft.
Miss it is well a wish list. He's like, God, I don't
know about that. It's all I'mnot stealing topics from the morning show.

(41:25):
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put on my manager cap. It'ssynergy whatever. We're going to come back.
We'll hear more players coming up atone thirty. But when we come
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(44:28):
directors at coach Mike McDonald his coachingstaff. They're gathering just a few hours
away from the start of the draft. And on this Draft day. We've
got two more visits this season todayand next week to wrap up the draft
with our good friend Greg co Sell, NFL Films, ESPN Matchup Show,
all Things. What the tape says, Greg? Are you ready for the
draft? Have you put everything tobet? Is this like Christmas? All

(44:51):
guys are wrapped and ready to go? No? No, No, I'm
still watching tape. You know.That's that's what I do. Ian,
I mean, I'm still trying toget a few guys done. Not in
the day, you know, Iget most guys done, but just to
you know, get a feel forhim. So no, no, I'll
still still doing that. What's uh, We've we've spent a lot of time
talking about things with Seattle and thepositional needs on this the day of the

(45:14):
first round and the one first roundguys that we know Seattle's not going to
pick, but there's a great interestin the draft period. People will be
watching it tonight. Let's just talkabout some of these guys that we all
know we're going to go sometime earlyin the first round and get your thoughts.
And I'm going to start with thepresumptuous presumptive number one pick, and
that would be Caleb Williams. Yourthoughts on who Chicago will probably take number

(45:36):
one overall. Will move down thatlist and talk about Daniels and others in
a second, but let's talk aboutwhat you see from Caleb Williams. Yeah,
I mean, Caleb Williams is obviouslya very very good prospect. He's
a high level prospect. You know, he's got tremendous physical traits. What
I probably like the most about himis not the fact that he can make
plays outside of structure. But Ilike the fact that he can really control

(45:59):
the ball. He can place theball where he wants to, and then
that is a trait that cannot beoverstated. That's a non negotiable trait in
and he can do that really,really well. Now, the other thing,
of course, is he's got tremendousspatial awareness. He can calmly and
effectively navigate chaos. That has becomea trait that more and more coaches look

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at at a more important level thanthey used to. He certainly can do
that. So you know, thequestions about him have to do with the
fact that, yes, he didshow that he can play with instructure.
I'm certainly not going to say hedidn't show that. Of course he did.
But it'll be interesting to see howthat all plays out, what that

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balance is when he gets to theleague. Because he's not going to a
bad football team. I mean,a lot of people might not remember that
the Bears defense in the last eightor nine weeks of the season was a
top five defense in the league.So very fortunate for him that he's not
going to one of those teams that'sbad where he'll feel like he has to

(47:05):
put up thirty points every week likehe probably did in the Pac twelve.
And you know this better than heprobably felt like he had to put up
fifty every week. Well, withoutAlex Gritch defense, he did. He
fumbled the ball a lot. Iknow there was too much. Yeah,
is is that part of just hisplaying off structure, off script or is
that a concern for NFL teams?It's a concern. He was sacked eighty

(47:28):
three times and some of course arenot on him, but eighty three in
the last two years. That's alot of sacks. And I believe he
fumbled over thirty times. And yes, that is something that needs to be
worked on clearly, because if you'regoing to move, you have to make
sure that you have two hands onthe ball, that you are protecting the
football. That's the number one thingfor a quarterback. You can't do anything

(47:50):
on offense if you don't have theball, So you know, protect No
one thinks about that, but protectingthe football is the number one thing.
Greg joining us courtesy of Seattle Cider. Big thanks to Seattle Sider for bringing
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Let's move down the list. Jadeand Daniels. He's the Heisman Trophy
winner. Boy, if you wouldhave told me two years ago and I'm
watching this guy three years ago playingat Arizona State and he was going to

(48:30):
be a top two or three pick, I would have said, your nuts,
great coast, so you're crazy.But here he is. Jade Daniels,
were your thoughts on him? Yeah? I love the way he's improved
every year and that stands out alot. And then he really I think
that he's become a pretty refined passer, solid fundamental, solid mechanics. Love
the way he holds the ball andthe way he drops back, loved his

(48:51):
loves his knee bend. I mean, he's a very comfortable pocket quarterback and
he wants to work from the pocket. He just does not flee the pocket.
He does that basically as his lastresort, so his pocket command has
improved significantly. You wouldn't say he'sgot a sudden twitchy arm. His arms
not like Caleb Williams. It's notthat level of strength. But he certainly

(49:14):
can make the throws. Every oncein a while, a deep bow will
lose a little energy, but forthe most part, he can make all
the throws. And I think thatthere's a commness to his game, a
poise to his game. He's avery easy mover. I like Jane Daniels
a lot. I think he's gonnabe a really good NFL quarterback. I
know we haven't talked about him atall, I don't think in our visits.

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But let's talk about Drake May,North Carolina's quarterback. It's kind of
like this tier. There's the topthree guys, the next tier, but
let's talk about the third guy inthat top tier. By many people's accounts,
Drake May. Yeah, Drake Mayis a fascinating guy because May,
you could argue he's the toolsiest ofall the quarterbacks. He's six' four,
about two twenty five. He's abig kid. I introduced myself to

(49:57):
him at the combine. He's abig kid. Big arm throws the ball
really well down the field, buthe's got some issues that need to be
cleaned up. His ball location onshorter and short intermediate throws can be very
erratic. He misses too many whatwe would call layups routine throws, and
I think that that's something that absolutelyneeds to be cleaned up. If it's

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not, he'll struggle. Plus,he has a tendency and again this is
coachable, but you know, younever know. He has a tendency to
drift in the pocket. So whenyou drift in the pocket, you tend
to create your own pressure because youroffensive line is pass protecting, expecting you
to be in a certain spot,and if you move off that spot,
even if it's only two steps,that changes the geometry of pass protection in

(50:45):
relation to the quarterbacks drop. Sothat's something that he clearly needs to work
on. So, you know,a lot of people talk about the fact
that he doesn't see it real well, I'm not sure I saw that as
much as others. I mean,every quarterback you watch, and I watch
so many games, so you're goingto see some misreads. You're going to

(51:06):
see plays where you don't process theroute concept versus the coverage correctly, there's
no question that exists. On May'stape. I didn't see that as so
extensive, so much greater than theothers. Well, you're talking about a
drift drifting around. I'm just thinking, what have I seen that before?
Oh? Yeah, for a decade, we're number three in Seattle, We're

(51:28):
awesome. All of a sudden,I see a I see a Dwayne Brown
sideways with this old quarterback. Whydid you drift into that sack? Yeah,
because then it makes your offensive linemanlook bad, and they don't like
that. It's weird. It's strangehow they don't like that. Greg.
The next tier of quarterbacks, MichaelPennix Junior, Bow Knick junior, and
JJ McCarthy. I think occarthy isthe most fascinating guy in one of them

(51:54):
because he is he is the posterchild example for projection in the draft.
And I mean the entire draft wasprojection for the most part, as you
know, but he is truly theposter child for projection because quite frankly,
his tape did not show first roundtape. I mean it just doesn't.

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He does not show on tape.I'm not talking about his pro day.
You know, let's leave that kindof stuff aside. His tape was not
great. And again this has nothingto do with how many times he threw
it. That has nothing to dowith whether Michigan won or lost. And
obviously they won and he was anational champion. But I learned very early

(52:37):
on from Bill Wallace that when youevaluate a quarterback, you evaluate the quarterback.
That's what you're evaluating. You're notevaluating his whole team. You're evaluating
the quarterback. And when you evaluateMcCarthy, his traits were not first round
traits. He threw the ball,you know, his arm was good,
not great. He worked hard tothrow the ball. That always concerns me

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when a quarterback that has no pressureon him in the pocket works hard to
throw the ball. So now Ithink, what's going to happen when he
faces muddied and noisy and dirty pocketsin the NFL. How is that going
to translate? Because you know,he had the best offensive line in college
football. So, I mean,you saw that they played U dubin the
championship game. I'm sure you watchedit closely. You have to talk about

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that, you know, given whereyou are, So so you know,
he really I mean in that game, quite frankly, he made one throw.
He hit Wilson on a crosser forthirty seven yards, which is,
by the way, was a greatthrow. It's not that he's incapable of
making throws. It's just teacher classicprojection. Maybe in three years we'll be
talking about him as a great quarterback. But if you draft him, you

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have to have a specific way youwant to You want to sort of build
him up as he progresses. Youhave to have a specific way you want
to coach him. He's not ahigh level talent in the way that a
Caleb Williams is or even a Drakemay just in terms of tools. Is
there a guy in the league thathe reminds you of? Right now?
JJ McCarthy, and let me throwthe name at you that I'm just thinking

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of it. It was whay oppositeends of the spectrum. McCarthy's going to
go day one or early day too. Probably I thought I felt like you
were describing Brock Purty to me fora second. Probably throws it all better
than Brock. I'll tell you theguy he kind of reminded me of.
And this goes back a few years, but you've been doing this a few
years, just like I have.He kind of reminded me of Andy Dalton

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coming out of TCU. Okay,there you go, Okay, there you
go. That's a good company.Yeah, I'm just gonna try to figure
out like that sounds like a guyyou know that we've heard of. By
the way, I know Andy Dalton'sreputation and all that stuff. But they
made the playoffs five six straight years. There was one year where he broke
his hand with thirteen. He mayhave been the MVP of the league that
year. He was having a phenomenalseason. So there's nothing wrong with being

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Andy Dalton. By the way,the guy had a really good stretch with
Cincinnati and he's going to play inthe NFL for fifteen years. But I'm
just saying that his tape does notdoes not. And by the way,
I've had conversations with coaches about thisbecause he's so polarizing, and I've not
had any coach tell me that theyhave a first round grade on him.
Wow, there you go. That'sgreat co sale Joining us here the Beacon

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Pelling Hotline brought to you by SeattleCider. All right, let me wide
receiving group is supposed to be,you know, thought to be a very
good deep group. This year,the wide receivers are uh, there's I
mean Marvin Harrison Junior. We've beentalking about seemingly forever weak Neighbors from LSU,
and then the guy from out hereroll a Doonsay. Of those three
guys, what or who jumps outat you, Well, they're all different.

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I mean to me, Harrison andNeighbors are at you know, they
are the ten Donsays, the ninepoint five. And by the way,
I like a Doonsay. I thinkHarrison and Neighbors are to me, you
know, just just a higher levelbased on their tape. What a Donsay
is just because we're local talking aboutyou know, you dub a Donsay is
unbelievable in terms of control, hisbody, body control, tracking the ball,

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ridiculously good hands. I wouldn't callhim explosive. It's not that he's
incapable of being a vertical dimension,but he's not necessarily explosive the way you
think explosive. But I think he'sa really good prospect. You know,
keep in mind where the league hasgone now, there are so many of
what we call three by one sets, three wide receivers to the wide side

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of the field, a single receiverto the short side of the field.
That single receiver gets a ton ofman to man coverage. You have to
be able to win one on one. However you do it. You know
guys could do it differently. ADonsay can win one on one by making
contested catches, contorting his body,catching everything. You know, he will

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be seen as that boundary X receiverand he'll probably be a pretty good one.
Does Harrison have that same ability towin those one on one He's a
slighter frame. I guess that's whyI ask that Harrison's two nine. He
just looks down and he's so smooth. Harrison's an interesting guy because he's faster

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than you think. I wouldn't say. I would say, dude, today's
a more physical player, right naturally, but Harrison is so smooth. Somebody
told me, I don't do this, and I don't have those numbers in
front of me, but somebody toldme that on a GPS this year.
You know the people that do that, that Harrison was actually the fastest guy

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of all the receivers. And thatsurprised me because he doesn't look that way,
but he's so smooth, so he'sdeceptively fast. Great co sale joining
us here, brought to you bySeattle Sider. We haven't spent a lot
of time on the offensive line,but there's a lot offensive lineman as always
there. You gonna go probably prettyhigh. All tout of Notre Dame Latham

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is going to go high. Idon't think we've discussed Troy Fatan from Washington
much and tackle in college. Maybea garden in the NFL feels like a
first round pick might be there atsixteen. When Seattle picks, someone's gonna
get a guy that can maybe playeither tackle or guard. What do you
see from him? I love thiskid on tape, loved him. I

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thought he was one of my favoriteplayers to evaluate. I keep hearing he's
a guard. Maybe he is,I personally think. And I've spoken to
some offensive line coaches because they knowmore than I do. You know,
he's six' four, he's almostthree twenty. His arm length is really
good. That's a big deal forO line coaches. I spoke to one
who said, hey, no oneknows why, but arm length is really

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important. If guys don't have goodarm length, it's hard for them to
play tackle in this league, andno one can give you kind of an
intellectual reason why, other than thearms are shorter, you know, but
his arms is thirty four and ahalf, which is perfectly fine for arm
length. So I'm just not surewhy everybody sees him as a guard,
because this kid is really athletic.I mean he's almost twitched up for a

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tackle the way he moves. Imean, he's got really active athletic feet.
He understood that you have to usehands. I think he's he'll be
taught even to use them, probablyin a more calculated way, but he
understood that you have to use yourhands. I really enjoyed watching this guy's
tape. I think he's a reallygood prospect, and I think, to

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me, without knowing the kid,I would think he'd be a day one
starter greg the thought that maybe hewould move inside, or some of these
top offensive tackles could move inside.We hear that a lot. He's not
the only guy I've heard that about. But no, but just using him,
is that based on what I sawin free what we all saw in
free agency. I mean guards gotpaid this year. I mean Damian Lewis

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got a what I think kind ofan irresponsible contract, to be honest about.
He did because of where he signed, because they had Bryce young,
and they need to make sure thatthe interior. Whether Lewis is a great
player or not, that's a differentconversation, but they need to make sure
that the depth of the pocket,which is the depth is set by the
center and the two guards when youhave a small quarterback. It's like for

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years with Drew Brees, Sean Paytonalways made sure that the center and two
guards were big time players because thoseguys have to step up to throw the
ball and they're short. I guessthat's what I was gonna ask you.
Has the guard position become more ofa valued position in the NFL in the
last depending on your quarterback? Yes. And by the way, we're seeing
more shorter quarterbacks. That's the otherthing ian is hype for quarterbacks is not

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as a detrimental factor, I shouldsay, as it used to be.
I mean, even Caleb Williams,he's six to one, you know,
back fifteen years sixty one would havebeen viewed as well, he's too short,
he can't play. That's a fascinatingtopic though, because I think I
was wondering why. I mean,it's there's no doubt there's this emphasis on
the interior of the offensive line,like there's no doubt that's changed. Yeah,

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because they set the depth. Youknow, Look, most quarterbacks will
tell you I can deal with theedge as long as I have room to
step up. If I have roomto step up, I can deal with
the edge that the quarterback can dealwith that. But if he has nowhere
to step up, he's done.No quarterback likes to have a guy in
his faith, right, No,no, no quarterback. Yeah, that's
the key thing. I'll ask myfriend of you, Millan about that later

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on today. Billy great, eventhough he was he's all of six to
five. All right, One finalguy want to ask you about because I
know we didn't ever talk about him, but I'm fascinated by what you saw
see and think of this guy that'sBrock Bowers out of Georgia. Ah.
I don't know what to say thatthat would be in any way negative.
I mean, the guy's phenomenal.I mean, one of the things that

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I loved most about him. AndI don't know if I've heard this talked
about, but it's just you know, hey, I watch it, and
I see it. I think hisability to seamlessly transition from catching the football
to run after catch, and youdon't hear that a lot when you about
receivers is as good as I've seen. I mean, this guy just well,
first of all, he catches theball so easily. That's the starting

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point. He catches it so easily, and then he just transitions literally in
half a step to being a runafter catch guy. And he's unbelievable run
after catch balance, his contact balanceand overall balance is unbelievable. So he's
a fascinating guy because he's technically stilla tight end. So you have to

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figure out how you use him.You know, obviously a team that drafts
and might want to look at AndyReid's offense and study how Travis Kelcey is
used. You know you want becausehe's not a tight end in the sense
you just attach him to the rightor left tackle. Now, by the
way, he can do that becausehe's committed to blocking. He's not the

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best tight end blocker you've ever seen, but he's committed to it, he'll
do it. I was going toask you, like, the blocking part
of the element is again part ofthe evolution of the NFL, there are
some elite teams that seem I meanthe teams we saw in the Super Bowl,
both teams we saw the Super Bowlhad an elite tight end, George
Kittle, different player obviously than TravisKelcey, but they both had that guy.
Baltimore had a great offense this seasonthat looked a lot different when Mark

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Andrews wasn't in there, right,I mean, we look around the league,
it feels more and more like ifyou have a top flight, top
ten, top edge. Yeah,that's a huge bonus that the teams are
looking for. Well, it isbecause now it dictates how defense is number
one play from a personnel standpoint,and how they play from a coverage standpoint.
You know, the personnel part.A lot of teams now on defense,

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and we've discussed this through the years, played big nickel now with three
safeties, and you know that ifyou're an offense and you know that,
then there's certain things you feel youcan do. They may go nickel if
you if it's Travis Kelcey, maybea team goes Nickel with Rock Balers,
you know, and now that givesthe offense at least predictability and how they
want to attack a defense. Offenseswant predictability, you know, because then

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the coaches feel they can game plan. Well. These conversations are just absolutely
fantastic and I get feedback all thetime, Greg. This one was one
of the better ones. Just gettalking about the guards, the tight ends,
and some of these guys we haven'ttalked about. It's going to be
a fun few hours today starting atfive o'clock Pacific, eight o'clock, Greg,
that's a late start for you back. I wish I wish I was

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on the West Coast tonight. Ian. Believe me, that's way past my
bedtime. But you know, itis what it is. Are you going
to hit the old record button onthe VHS tape tonight and then night I'll
stay with all of it after tonight, Well we'll see, you know.
It's I'm an old guy, andI don't know if I can do like
the one o'clock in the morning routine. You know, you want me to

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text you when we're still doing ourlive shots for Fox thirteen later tonight,
at about one o'clock of your time, I'll just yet back. I won't
be getting back to here right then, though, I'll say you, are
you up right now? Did youhear what just happened? Great stuff?
Are you talking to my friend HughMiller? Later? You got the thirty
thirteen stuff, but we got thatlater on tonight. I'm doing thirty thirteen

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tonight, actually the first fifteen picks. Andy Minnoy and I are doing the
first fifteen picks for the thirty thirdteam. So yeah, so I'm looking
forward to it. I'll see youin a few minutes. I'll tell him
you said hi as well, AndI'll look forward to next week checking in
with you after all the dust issettled and all the picks are in,
all the trades are made, andJohn Schneider is wheeled and dealed and done

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all his things, as have theother gms, and we'll see how it
all settles, and we'll check innext Thursday for a final time before we
say goodbye until next fall. Greg. But we'll do that next Thursday,
all right, all right, Ian, I appreciate it, Thanks so much.
That is Greg Cosel brought to youby Seattle Sider with the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center in his Draft Day twentytwenty four. So much coverage We're on
the air tonight until nine pm ninepm Pacific time. That would be,

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of course midnight Greg's time, butnine pm Pacific time. We're on the
air tonight out here the Virginia MasonAthletics in our morticont nine three point three
K Draft Noown. Now back tothe inf Neest Show, brought to you
by Snow Call me Casino. TheSeattle Seahawks is the number sixteen pick.
Should only stick and pick if MichaelPennick, Junior University Washington quarterback is there.

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Otherwise they should absolutely trade down,possibly with the Eagles for number twenty
two and moveing in the second round. Hey guys, it's Blake from Spokane.
Go Hawks. Thank god it's Thursday. I want the Seahawks the draft,
Cooper to jeans, the mom jeans. Those are some of our wishless

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voice text coming in. You goto the iHeartRadio app and click on the
red microphone and give us your voicetext and you're talk back there thirty seconds.
You have to speak and then fireaway whatever you're thinking about. Go
ahead and do that, and thenwe'll play some more of those later.
I just asked the question earlier,what's your wishless for the Seahawks. What
do you want to see them dotoday with number sixteen? Maybe it's trade
number sixteen, maybe it's draft theplayer at sixteen. Get your thoughts as
a Seahawks fan four nine, fourto five one and tell them what the

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xt one when his game time?Any time? All right, let's do
that. Let's let me go through. We were joking last segment or not
last segment of the break when Iwas talking about the old r L E
reflective lens exchange with the Royal laysick and how I can see all these
great cuts that Andrews has been workingso damn hard putting together. And you
know, the funny thing is,like I was thinking of this, like

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all these cuts and we're gonna useas many as we can and there'll be
some left on the old cutting roomfloor. But I do appreciate Andrews.
I'll say this publicly. People canlisten your hard work on this because it's
there's a ton of stuff in there, and we've heard a few already.
Let me do this interior def We'retalking about offensive line in a minute ago.
Let's get to interior defensive line andsome guys that could go. Byron
Murphy, of course from Texas,is a guy kind of at the top

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of the list, and let mestart with him. And this is this
is a great cosel talking about ByronMurphy. This guy is special. He's
the best defensive tackle prospect in thedraft. This guy is almost freaky in
terms of his athleticism. He issudden, he's twitchy. His movement traits
that times almost look startling, youknow, for a guy who's a d

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tackle with that kind of bill.He's got an incredibly powerful lower half.
He plays incredibly low to the ground. It maximizes his power and explosion.
It's a real challenge for interior alignmentto control him. He's stalemate it and
defeated double teams in the run game. He's a good pass rusher off the

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ball, explosiveness, leverage, power, flexibility. I believe this kid will
be an immediate contributor whoever drafts him. I mean, this, this kid
and forever whatever it's worth, andmaybe it's worth nothing, but I mean
at six feet half inch in twoninety seven, he ran a four to
age seven forty, which is justpretty remarkable for someone that size. What
do you what do you. Imean, we we as twitchy and all

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those things that we're talking about.Stout against the run, how would you
describe his play against them? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, he's good
against the run. I mean yeah, he's really a low to the ground
player. I mean he plays withgreat leverage, really confined strength, you
know, confined space strength. Herarely got displaced out of his gap.

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He made tackles when he defeated doubleteams. He's a he's just a really
complete detackle prospect. And as Isaid, in my view, he's the
best and most dominant d tackle prospectin this draft class. All right,
let's uh, that's that's great.Cosell talking about Byron Murphy. How about
Steve Pella talking about both Bira Murphyand his Texas teammate to and Andre Sweat.

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Yeah, I mean, the thePFF grade is a production grade based
off of, you know, thestaff count that we're looking at in this
In this case, it was thetwenty twenty three season, Sweat was the
number one interior defensive lineman. Froma production standpoint, looking at the draft
though, you're looking at everything whenwe're trying to put that board together,
you're looking at size, movement,skills, usage in college, usage in

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the NFL. So for Cavandre SweatAt, you know, three hundred and
sixty pounds, you know, he'sthe guy that's probably gonna play more nose
tackle. He's got some offfield stuffnow coming off as far as right DUI
and some question marks. I thinkthat's going to drop him from a draft
stock perspective and maybe just add generalquestions. But Sweat is more of your
big nose tackle type, even thoughthey were more interchangeable in college. But

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Sweat is a guy that you're lookingas an early down run stopper. And
Murphy is a guy that hasn't playeda ton of football relatives to other players.
But I think broke out in twentytwenty three. Has always been a
very good player, but showed eliteskills in twenty three as a pass rusher
and as a run defender able tohold the point at his size really impressive.
So I think Murphy's just got moreupside and more more three down potential

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than Devandre Sweat. All right,that's uh, Murphy and Sweat. How
about one more on Devandre Sweat.Great Cosell talking about the three hundred and
sixty seven pound defensive tackle from Texas. It feels as if Seattle has been
needing this type of if nothing elsebody type, and they kind of they
had it a little bit in BrianMonet, who got hurt a couple of

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years ago. They just released andall that. But I mean he was
undrafted. This guy will be draftedagain from Texas to Fandre sweat six four,
I don't know what his last weightwas, thirty sixty six at the
combine six four and three sixty six. That's a big man, Greg That
is a big man right there.And let me tell you something. This
guy was a fun watch because heis a good athlete ian. I mean,

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I think any team that gets andwould want him to drop a few
LB's and you have a few moresalads. But I think that he's not
going to be three ten. Youknow, he's gonna be the lowest till
get I think would be three thirtyfive. But this guy is a really
good athlete. But he's also amassive man and a space eater, and

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he's really difficult to block one onone. He's got confined space strength he
can control and displace alignment. Butyou know he's also got really good balance
and body control. He can stopand redirect. He showed some pass rush
ability. You got to remember onething. He came to Texas, Okay
at six three two forty nine asa high school defensive end, so he's

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not always been a big, heavyguy. I mean, this guy has
light feet. I think he haseven more untapped potential as a pass rusher
given the way in which he moves. Now, I'm not saying he's going
to be, you know, afifteen sack guy rushing from inside. But
this is not you know, JordanDavis, where he's just going to play
in sort of a five y fivebox, and that's what he is.

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This guy is far more than that. The Tavandre Sweat part of the equation
is an interesting one. Byron Murphyis a guy that just it's screamed,
he's a first rounder. Devandre Sweat'sbeen all over the board. And the
dui there's no doubt about the factthat that dui has hurt his perception for
people. Definitely it is. Itis depending on you know, and we'll

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watch, you know. Is hea Day two Is he a Day two
guy in the second round, Daytwo guy in the third round. There
are some that think he could slipall the way to the fourth round.
Wow, you would. And andpart of the thing is this, And
I thought what Coselle said was perfect, Like he's not gonna be three ten
like the body type and just whohe is, he's not gonna be three

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ten ever. But if there areconcerns about his you know, self discipline
and things like that. And thenon top of that, oh, by
the way, he got a DUIthat adds to all those the character issues
so specifically for this franchise. Havingbeen stung by Malik McDowell, you know,
was no but poor judgment. Yeah, poor judge Milke McDonald. You
know what, I'm on the I'mon an island. I'll be honest with

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you. I'm on an island withMike mcdell. They didn't. They did.
He was a knucklehead. I getthat. But but the reason he
never played here, no one couldhave predicted that like that. That's not
like a guy had a substance abuseissue and you know, and went off
the deep end. It's not.That's completely fair. He didn't have any

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red flags going into the door forthe motivation, that part of it,
and That's where Pete Carroll comes intoplay, because Pete was like, I
can fix anybody, you know,and he did fix a lot of guys
and did make a lot of guysbetter. McDowell, I just listen,
the guy had a bad accident,and I think the key word is accident

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there. But I get what you'resaying, Jess. I'm not I'm not
totally you know. I just thinkthat they're stung by it and their strategy.
They've gone all like but they've takenbut they've taken chances on guys before.
Bruce Irvin had to check her past, Frank Clark had a check her
past. I mean, there's Ibet if we dug deeper, there's other
guys I'm forgetting right now, andfor the most part have come around and
done fine. The d u Iwas just such a poor judgment on his

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part, and I especially at thetime because he had he had meetings the
next twenty four to forty eight hours. Right. It's not that it's ever
excusable, but you know that's timing. It's like, really, at this
point, I'll be honest with you, I can't get past the fact that
the guy's three sixty he moves likehe does and he plugs up the middle.
And this team that needs a guydesperately in that regard. I couldn't
get past that. He's the perfectthing. I can't get past that with
Devandre Sweat. All right, we'llcome back. A guy that may just

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be there at sixteen as well.Also, and many people call him the
best all round defensive lineman. Nogod, I have shades of LJ.
Collier dancing in my head with thisone. But because he doesn't really fit
into the perfect box, so tospeak, which is very like Derek call
blah blah blah. Right, butwe'll talk about they call him Johnny,

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which is on Newton coming up next. Now back to the Infranest Show,
brought to you by Snow Call MeCasino. Well, normally we do a
daily power play. At this pointin time, we won't. I think
tomorrow I want to do one.But I'm gonna get you some sound and
tomorrow I'm just just a quick shoutout for me. The biggest news in

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hockey today comes from the broadcasting world. North of the Boys, CBC.
Longtime CBC Hockey in Canada broadcaster BobCole died today. The voice of hockey
in Canada for decades. Just anunbelievable, unbelievable play by play voice.

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I think if you were to talkto guys like Foresland and others, he's
someone that you would you just kindof a Hall of Famer, but be
you know, a top two orthree guy of all time. Maybe even
though he did national games. Iwould put him in the kind of the
Vin Scully category in terms of whatBob Cole meant to the sport. And

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yeah, he died today, Sothat's the big broadcasting news as far as
I know. Okay, let meget to these Gison Newton, call him
Johnny. Johnny Newton interior defenders fromIllinois, six two, just around three
hundred pounds, widely regarded as thetop interior defensive lineman in the draft.
Let's hear the thoughts because he couldbe there at sixteen as well. Let's
hear the thoughts from great co saland Johnny Newton. His best trade is

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rushing the quarterback. And I wouldn'tsay he's special, but he does have
plays of suddenness and twitch where helooks like a really good pass rusher.
He's got that compact, muscular Bill. You know, he's under six two,
weighs three oh four, so he'smore stout than he is long.
His game's built more on athletic quicknessthan power. He's probably a one gap

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penetrating type player, not a twogap player that's going to hand fight you
know, offensive guards or centers.If you think back to someone like a
Geno Atkins, would he played withthe Bengals, or a Grady Jarrard who's
now with the Falcons, maybe evenan Ed Oliver who's now with the Bills,
that kind of player, that kindof profile. But I think he's

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got better pass rush tape overall,you know, I think that's the strength
of his game. Now. Canhe play the run, yes, But
I think the strength of his gamehis pass rush. My sense is he'd
begin his career if he's good enough, you know, depending on where you
draft him and what your you feelyou know you need him for early on,
that he would begin his career asa sub front pass rusher with the

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goal to become a three down player. All right, that's great Cosell talking
about Johnny Newton. Let's get onemore thought on the big Illinois defensive tackle
from Pro Football focuses Steve Palozolo.He's a very athletic, explosive off the
ball, just knows how to winblocks. You know, he's Newton's more
your your your plastic three tech.Again not comparing him to Aaron donald but

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you know the way you see AaronDonalds win, or you see your best
interior pass rushers win who are rightaround three hundred pounds, that's how Newton
wins. So I think, yeah, he'll he'll give headaches to guards because
with his quickness and ability to getaround the corner. But like in Aaron
Donalds, where you put you know, the rings that start putting Donalds out
against tackles, just to mix itup, I think Newton does have that
ability because of his verse. Soyeah, I think he's a really good

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player. And I think most boardsare gonna have Treson Newton or Johnny Newton
and Byron Murky for the second.Both of those guys as a one A
one D type of interior pass rusher. Dependent on what you're looking for,
would either of those players will yourreach at pick sixteen if Seattle stays put,
No, I think that's good valuefor both guys. I think they're
the too clear. Hey, ifif they were taken right around the top

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half of the first round, Ithink that'd be perfectly fine as far as
what they bring to the table,their three down ability and their their production
that that translates at the next level. H sounds like baseball guy Chris Crawford.
Yeah, weird. I don't knowwas it? Did you include that
just to make him happy? Youdo that? You chat about that's right,
that's when I had that Wednesday off. Yeah, Johnny NW it seems

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to be a perfect fit in thatregard to So there's a couple of defensive
linement. We can take a peekout. We've got a lot of more
players. We're gonna get to uhin the two o'clock hour, I hope
as well. We'll get some guysat the top of the hour. Then
Rob rang is going to join usabout to ten. Today. We did
give you the little topic you canjump in. We've got some voice text.
We'll get two talkbacks at two thirtyplus the we'll check the text line
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time? What time will it beTelly time? Today? Yes, for
some of us ten thirty eleven o'clocktonight our Saturday. Yes indeed, but
well we'll check your We're asking thevery simple question. Just fire away four,
nine, four or five to one. What do you want Seattle to
do at or with the sixteenth pickfour, nine four or five one drop

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the player trade, give me somespecifics. We've got some great talkbacks,
great text we'll can't do as well. All that coming up as well,
plus Rob rang in just a coupleof moments here on on the radio show,
she reminds you once again, we'regonna be here until nine o'clock tonight.
In addition to that tomorrow tomorrow,and or say it for me tomorrow.
He's really good at it. It'sa requirement whenever you talk about hockey

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I'm talking about all the time.At what point it's a good time
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o'clock out, Rob Rings go dressabout seven eight minutes time. We're getting
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as well. Let's let's get tohow about this. Let me do this.
I'm gonna bang this out right now. We're gonna talk about linebackers,
stack linebackers, not edge guys,stack linebackers before. Actually one one guy
that we need to talk to local, a local guy, well sort of

(01:24:19):
local guy. Yeah, played herefor a while, hurt his neck,
went to UCLA, had a greatcareer. We talked about him yesterday with
Ross Tucker, and that's a lotof to Latu, who is a guy
that the best pass rusher in theclass. He also is a guy there
would be concerns the neck injury.Ross Tucker was a great guy to talk
about it. His career ended witha neck injury, and he said,

(01:24:39):
yeah, I'd be a little bitconcerned about it. There's no doubt about
that. But here's Steve Poallozzolo talkingabout the best pass rusher perhaps in this
year's draft class. I'm a bigfan of Layatu Latou from UCLA. I
think again, the only question forhim was the medical retirement at Washington and
the next fusion, and you knowhe's played, he's been healthy the last
two years. That'll come down toteams risk, appetite and whether or not

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they think that's going to be anissue going forward. Is it a four
or five six year down the roadtype of issue. Is he going to
be injury prone? That type ofthing. So, if to me,
if he's if lat two is clearedmedically, I think he's the clear top
edge in the class, even thoughhe's going to be twenty three years old
on opening day. I think thetechnical skill set as a pass rusher,

(01:25:23):
his ability to line up inside oroutside. But the dude just knows how
to win, defeat blocks and getto the quarterback, which is the name
of the game as an edge defender, name of the game. All right,
let's get to uh. I'm sorryabout that. I was Texas.
Somebody let me get to linebacker stacklinebackers. This is Edgerin Cooper from Texas
A and m probably probably a Daytwo pick. More than likely, but

(01:25:46):
obviously a huge need for Seattle sixtythree two and thirty pounds. Here is
great Coaselle and I jumped ahead ofyou. Sorry about that, Andrews edgerin
Cooper. Here's great Coslle and edgerinCooper. This guy's the most explosive off
the ball line in the draft.This guy is just a bundle of explosion,
probably not at his best. Whenyou think about, you know the

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phrase that's used key and diagnose thathe's a see it, get it player.
He goes from zero to sixty ina heartbeat, and he's a really
good blitzer. I mean, he'sgot elite accelerating speed off the edge.
But this guy has sudden explosive movement, instant acceleration, elite closing burst and

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speed. He's long leaned an unbelievableathletic profile. This kid's really an interesting
player. My guess is he'll haveto be taught a little bit about you
know, reading things, seeing things, what his keys are, you know,
theoretically all that can be taught.Some guys get it. Some guys
don't. You know, there's noway I could possibly know the answer to

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that. When teams, you know, bring him in for the thirty visits
and then or go to a proday. They find out more of those
things that I'm able to find out. But that's where I'll have to get.
But if you want to just talkabout explosive stack backers, that's this
guy. Well more for about EdrenCooper. Let's hear Rob Ranks thoughts on
him. Edren Cooper from Texas,A and M. I've heard his name

(01:27:12):
a lot with Seattle. What's thestory on him? Well, here's the
thing is that if the Sea Owksare going to go with a different direction
than the offensive line, then Ithink if there's only really two players that
would make sense at sixteen, they'relikely to be available. They're just too
damn good. You just have toconsider best player available if you get future
Pro bowlers staring you in the face, especially at positions of concern. Edgren

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Cooper six two and thirty pounds.To me, in my opinion, he's
the best best off ball linebacker inthis class. I love Junior Colston from
Michigan as well. They're two completelydifferent players. Edgren Cooper is smaller,
he's quicker, he is he's explosive. Mike McDonald's talked about the fact that
everybody in their defense has to bethe rush of the passer. This kid

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had seven sacks a year ago forA and M. He is just slithery
upfield and then he also can dropback in the coverage. To me,
he is the best all around offball linebacker in the fast and would make
an awful lot of sense in thefirst round. All right, there you
go. We're gonna Rob On livein a second. But one more linebacker
to talk about. We forget robimOn. We'll start first with Rob Raan

(01:28:16):
talking about Junior Colson from Michigan.Junior Colson is that six foot one,
two hundred and forty pounder that youknow is kind of exactly the way you
draw him up. If you wanta stack linebacker, if you want that
traditional three to four inside linebacker,that thumper, as our buddy Mike Homgren
would call him, then Junior Colsonis that guy. He was my favorite

(01:28:40):
of the linebackers this year in forwhat I think that Mike McDonald is looking
to bring to the table. Hedefinitely is the most physical linebacker in this
class. And I love the factthat not only did he star for Michigan.
But he had some of his bestperformances in the biggest games, National
Championship Game against Washington, of course, but aa'st Alabama. He was the

(01:29:00):
best player on the field in myopinion against Alabama. And that's obviously saying
a lot. And Rob is standingby before we get to Rob, how
about one more great co Sell talkingabout Junior Colson. Yeah, Junior Colson
is he's a good prospect. He'sjust to me, a really really solid
player. He's six two two thirtyeight. You know, moves well.

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You know, I wouldn't say thathe's explosive. I don't know if he
plays with a quick trigger or suddenburst, but he just reacts efficiently to
what he sees. He makes mostof his tackles as a kind of a
scrape and flow linebacker behind the firstlevel of the defense. He's not really
an impact player. He's much moreof a read and react player. He's

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going to be a good player Ian, but he's more along the lines for
people in Seattle who follow the leaguemore so than just the Seahawks, he's
like a Jordan Hicks or Jermaine Prattas a year, just really good players
who are not necessarily special impactful players. As part of our never ending coverage

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and we finally made it to draft. They finally right. It feels like
it's been forever, just trying toget to this point. The finish line
is near. We're about three hoursaway from that first pick being announced by
the Chicago Bears. Is there anyquestion in your mind it should be and
it will be Caleb Williams. Ithink it certainly should be Caleb Williams.

(01:30:51):
You know what's funny. You know, if you're asked me a month ago,
I was said, no doubt aboutit's going to be Caleb Williams.
That's when we get these last coupleof days. We start talking to people
and there's some crazy ideas out there. There. There has been some buzz
out there that the Bears are goingto shock the world and they're gonna take
Jaden Daniels number one overall. Now, I personally would be stunned by that.

(01:31:12):
I think everybody should be stunned.I think there's the pick is Caleb
Williams. Every indication I have fromChicago is that that's going to be the
selection. But you know, itwouldn't be the NFL Draft if we didn't
have some kind of drama in thehours leading up to it. Let's go
through kind of some first round possibilitiesfor you know, just we haven't talked
about other teams at all. Imean, and that's one thing we've kind

(01:31:34):
of been so Seahawks centric with ourconversations you and me over the last few
months and even going back into thefall, as we're kind of looking ahead
a little bit, but as wejust kind of go through the whole process
here general terms in your mind,is there truly is there a three tier
system maybe even more for quarterbacks?The top three guys would it be Williams,

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Drake, May Jade and Daniels,second tier, McCarthy, Nick's panics,
whatever order would be. Is therereally a split there? Or do
you think that the top six arebunched together? Well, No, for
me, there is basically a topthree, and then I would say it's
next two in the top three aswe just mentioned a couple of them and

(01:32:15):
in Caleb Williams. In my opinion, it should go Caleb Williams, Drake
May, Jade Daniels. I wouldn'tbe surprised at all if Washington is the
first somewhat of a surprise and goeswith Jayden Daniels. And you can understand
that with dan Quinn there, youknow he is going to want more of
a defensive the kind of quarterback thathas the senior leadership that Jayden Daniels possesses,

(01:32:41):
the dual threat ability, It justmakes a lot of sense for him.
I personally think that Drake May isthe better player short term and long
term, and that's why I wouldgo in that direction number two. But
I do think that those three quarterbacksagain, Caleb Williams, Drake May from
North Carolina and LSU's Jade Day arethe top three in my opinion, not

(01:33:01):
only because of the arm talent,but a lot of it is because I
think that they are all three verygood on the move as well as in
the pocket when we get to thatnext stage. In my opinion, that's
where JJ McCarthy, who I thinkis at his best on the move,
is not quite as good in atraditional pocket. Doesn't have the elite arm
strength of say Michael Pennix, whohas elite arm, but I think that

(01:33:27):
his accuracy really does start to droponce you force him to move his feet.
So I think that both Michael Pennixand JJ McCarthy are a little bit
dependent on the scheme that they're draftedinto. Now that isn't necessarily a bad
thing, I think if they canbe very, very successful in the right
offenses. But I do think thatthere is a bit of a drop off
from the first three quarterbacks, whoare a little bit more universal than Pennix

(01:33:51):
or McCarthy. I still expect allfive of those quarterbacks to be off the
board by the time the Seahawks areare up at number sixteen. Overall,
I personally am not as high onbon Nicks. The dual threadability, the
experience, the statistics are just throughthe roof. He is an incredible,
just human being. There's a lotof things I like about him. I

(01:34:14):
just haven't seen him consistently play hisbest football in the biggest of situations.
I don't think that he has theelite arm strength to be successful in every
NFL offense. As I kind ofmentioned before about JJ McCarthy. With JJ
McCarthy when he did need to makebig throws he did, I did not
see that from Bonnicks over his entirecareer, not only Oregon but previously at
Auburn. And so that's why tome, he's almost I don't want to

(01:34:38):
say class in himself, but Ithink that he is more in that late
first the second round kind of amix, and then I think you have
another drop off where we start gettingto the Spencer Rattler Michael Pratt kind of
conversation roberrang Joinia's Cruzy, Ferrelli's pizza. Okay, we haven't talked about wide
receivers at all really our conversations,because last I checked, it is probably

(01:34:59):
the furthest thing from a position ofneed for the local NFL team here at
Seattle because with what they've got alreadyon the roster, but the wide receiver
position group today will be probably highlyfeatured in that first round. Marvin Harrison,
Junior Molak Neighbors, Roma Donsay.Those three guys, how would Rob
Rang rank them. I'd ranked themthe same way all year longing and that's

(01:35:20):
basically Marvin Harrison at the top,then Malik Neighbors, and then Roma Donsay.
I think all three of them aretop ten selections all day long,
but they're very different players. Harrisonis just as polished as it gets,
you know, of course, isthe son of a Hall of famer,
has great size, great speed,great flexibility, catches everything in the zip

(01:35:42):
code. He is about as safeas a prospect as it really is going
to get. Malik Neighbors is themost dynamic athlete though, of the wide
receiver position. I mean, heis just so explosively and it really is
kind of taking candy from a babyat times with what he was able to
do against the elite SEC competition.You know, he leaves after only three
years at LSU and still is theschool's all time leader and receptions and receiving

(01:36:06):
yards and touchdowns. His tape isyou know, it's just fun to watch.
I mean, he is a remarkableathlete, but there's some off field
stuff that you got to worry abouta little bit. With him, and
so some maybe won't like him quiteas much as others will. But again
I think that he's going to bea top ten selection in terms of athletic

(01:36:26):
ability. He is the number onereceiver in his class. And then Romatoons
say is just the most polished ofthe bunch. I mean, you know,
he's bigger. He's not quite astall, you know, we're talking
about fractions of an inch, notquite as tall, I believe as Marvin
Harrison Junior. But he's sticker andhe plays with more physicality. I don't
know there's a better receiver in hisclass. When the ball is up in
the air, just go up andget it. He just shows great timing,

(01:36:49):
great hand eye coordination to be ableto kind of be sneaky about when
he's going up to get the football. He is a polished route runner.
He just obviously they came up clutchso many times for Washington. He is
very, very respected on and offthe field, So a little bit different
than Lake neighbors in that regard.And then I would tourin Brian Thomas Junior,

(01:37:13):
the quote unquote other wide receiver LSUwho just led the country in touchdown
receptions. This past season and thenat six' three two hundred nine pounds
around a four to three. Imean he is a phenomenal athlete as well.
He focused on basketball throughout his highschool time and then at the very
end switched over to football and thenbecame a superstar again. I think the

(01:37:33):
Brian Thomas Junior, to me,he's one of the interesting ones. If
he is available to Seattle at sixteen. It's not I think the Seahawks are
going to take him, but Ithink there could be a lot of interest
in other clubs moving up to tryto get him. I fully expect the
first three players again in order,Harrison, Neighbors and the Dunes to come
off the board some more, andthen first ten picks, and I think

(01:37:54):
Brian Thomas Junior is going to comeoff the board somewhere between number eleven and
number twenty, and then after thatthings get a little bit crazy. Maybe
it'll be the speedster from Texas,Avier Worthy rook the record for the fastest
forty yard dash. He has achance to go in the late first round.
I still think the key On Clarkfrom Florida States a chance to go
in the first round, even thoughhe ran the four sixes. He's like

(01:38:14):
Romadonsay and he can go up andget the football against anybody. And he's
also a dynamic punt returner, Sothat would be kind of going back to
the Seahawks for one moment. Iagree with you. Wide receiver feels like
the strongest position on the Seahawks roster, but the club does need a punt
returner with DJ Dallas now in Arizona, and that is the one reason why
I think that Seawle might be asneaky player for a wide receiver, not

(01:38:36):
in the first round, but maybein those middle rounds. Guy that I
don't know where he fits, whatbox he fits into. I guess technically
tight end, But we haven't talkedabout him either, and he's going to
be a talked about guy today somewhere, probably early in this NFL draft on
Day one. Brock Bowers and Ican just gush about Brock Powers. It's

(01:38:57):
gonna sound like he's my firstborn childor something. He's six three, he's
two hundred and forty five pounds,and I have never seen a college tight
end who plays the game as wellas he does. He's just so instinctive,
he's so agile, and he justbounces off of contact like a running
back. You know, this isa kid who grew up in playing his

(01:39:17):
high school ball in California, andhe was being recruited by everybody, and
he decides he wants to challenge himselfto go to the SEC and not only
goes there, he's been a threetime All American. I mean, there's
just he is more decorated than awedding cake. I mean, this guy,
you just can't I don't see aknock on his game. I mean,
sure, he's not six to five, he's not a blocker, but

(01:39:39):
that's not what you want today modernday NFL tight ends. You know,
you want a guy that basically isjust a matchup nightmare Travis Kelsey type.
That's what the game is all aboutnowadays. I think brock Bauers a come
in the NFL and absolutely light thisleague up as a superstar immediately. I've
got him going number ten overall tothe New York Jets. I think that

(01:39:59):
he perfect is Aaron Rodgers kind ofsecurity blanket. And the only reservation I
have about that is I just don'tknow that he makes it to number ten
overall. I think that he isagain among the absolutely elite blue chip players
in this draft. All right,this is this is where I always test
Robb Rain. I'm gonna test youright now now. I'm nervous. No,
you're not. Stop it. Giveme a name of a guy that's

(01:40:23):
gonna get picked in the first roundtoday that isn't listed in anybody, any
of the the experts you included,maybe across the country. Give me the
name of a guy that someone's gonnaget this, someone's gonna take in the
first round, and everyone's gonna go, huh what what? What just happened
there? Yeah? Well, Iactually haven't projected to go to Seahawks number
twenty eight overall, and that beingChris Jenkins Junior, the defensive tackle from

(01:40:43):
Michigan. You know, I haveSeattle training back from number sixteen overall with
the Buffalo Bills. The Bills comingup to get that that Brian Thomas Junior,
the receiver from LSU that we talkedabout, and I think that there
is a lot of a lot ofbuzz about the top two defensive tackles.
I personally think it should be JisonNewton from Illinois, who we've talked about

(01:41:05):
many many times, the reigning BigTen Defensive Lineman of the Year, three
times All Big Ten selection, andeverybody lots to talk about Bayern Murphy the
second I get it. He isa fantastic athlete, not as productive as
Jershon Newton, but people are justenamored with his upside. Apparently, those
two defensive tackles have dominated conversation.Lots of people think they're both going to

(01:41:27):
go in the top twenty. IfSealle sticks and ticks at number sixteen,
I think that either one of thoseplayers would make an awful lot of sense
for a club that finished thirty firstin the NFL in run defense in terms
of yardage and run defense in termsof rushing touchdowns allowed. But if sile
Trade's back or another club, sayDetroit, say Baltimore, you know,

(01:41:48):
the late portion of the first roundis looking for a guy who has some
positional versatility. He can line upinside as a traditional defensive tackle. He
can. He's not quick off theedge defensive end as far as being a
pass rusher, but he's strong andhe is aggressive, and he is a
player that is still just scratching thesurface of his potential. Again. Chris

(01:42:09):
Jenkins, Junior His dad, ofcourse, played in the NFL for ten
seasons as a four time pro bowlerwith the Carolina Panthers. His uncle,
Colin Jenkins, played for a dozenyears in the NFL, most notably with
the Green Bay Packers, And ofcourse he became a starter when Mike McDonald
was a defensive coordinator in Ann Arbor. And when you see this young man

(01:42:30):
in person, he is ripped.You're not gonna see me defensive lineman who
look like this guy. I mean, he is just muscle on top of
muscle. There's not a pound offat arm, and he's a legitimate three
hundred pounder. He's got very longarms, thirty four inch arms, twenty
nine repetitions of the bench press,so he's very very strong. He had
a four to eight nine forty yarddash, which is absolutely flying for a

(01:42:54):
guy of that size. I justsee a guy that I guess the rest
of the league is, or thegressedthe media out there are sleeping on.
I think that it might be alittle bit of a reach in some people's
opinions for him to go in thefirst round, but there is no doubt
in my mind he's going to beoff the board in the top forty selections,
and really, in my opinion,and there's basically sixteen seventeen guys in

(01:43:16):
this draft class who are every yearwould be first round selections. After that,
then I think you're basically you're goingto have the next twenty five guys.
It all depends on schematic fits.And I think that what considering what
that Chris Jenkins is there already provenhimself to be able to do under Mike
McDonald, I think that he wouldbe the perfect first player of the new

(01:43:38):
era. Well, man, you'rethe best, Absolutely love you. We'll
see in about an hour and ahat. Well, so you're coming from
Tacoma, we'll see in about eighthours. When you get up there sea
traffic, we'll still have a spotfor youself. Yeah, I've literally been
checking the road conditions. I seethat I've got a little bit of a
detour ahead of me, so I'llget there as soon as I possibly can.

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