DH, 29 Revisit: Chaos Factor

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is episode four hundred and sixty six of a
Local Mora for August twenty third, twenty twenty five. Hello again,

(00:37):
and welcome to another episode of a Local Mora, The
Fantom's original Harry Potter Book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Kat Miller, I'm Tracy Dunstan, I'm Sean Minie Willis,
and I'm Alison Sigard And it is an all host
episode today.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Woo yah, lady power too. I love it. Sure we
got them Raven Claus and them Gryffindors represent Yeah, well,
I guess and Alison, well, are you Gryffindor today today?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Today?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, great, it's appropriate this chapter. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Which let's jump right in. Today's chapter is Deathly Hallow's
chapter twenty nine, The Lost Diadem. The last time we
talked about this chapter was on episode one called Healthy
Dinner from March twenty sixteen with Caleb, myself, Eric and
guest Jessica Healthy Dinner. I'm just trying to think of

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what that's referring to, Like, I guess you do this chapter.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I mean there is because they talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's a lack of food.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, but they talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
How is giving them food, So yeah, maybe that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know. I'd have to listen back, and I
purposely don't listen back because I don't want it to
influence this discussion. But I'll listen to it later and
I'll find out because I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Really curious, also curious, but.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Anyway should be a fun one. Deathly hallows. I feel
like we'ven't talked about this book, and.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I feel like I keep talking about Goblet and Order.
You know why, because we have likes.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
We have like ninety chapters of those books left, and yeah,
you know, of course I'm exaggerating, But anyway, let's get
on with it.

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Speaker 1 (02:50):
Thank you, Thank you again, alumni, You're the best. I'm
doing the Millennial Heart the gen z one.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I can't do that one. Like, how how do they
get their fingers in that?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Like it takes me like five minutes to figure it out,
And in a moment it's gone, like the.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Likes with their fingers. It's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's like these two fingers.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't get it that anyway,
what old for this? Okay, let's jump into this chapter then,
because this is this is a really good one.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Three turns should do it.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Chapter revisit.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Chapter twenty nine, which came first The Things, All the Flame,
the Last Dietem.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So here we go. Harry Ron and Hermione are shocked
to see Neville emerge from the hole behind the portrait
of Area on a double doore, and he is just
as delighted to see them as he leads them back
into Hogwarts. He fills them in on all of the
dark goings on and the rebellion that has formed the
tunnel from the Hogshead leads into the room of Requirement,
where a smattering of Dumbledore's army members are hiding out,

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safe from the Carrows and eagerly awaiting Harry to lead
them to revolution. But Harry's visions of Voltemore are finding
his discovered horcruxes. I mean, the clock is ticking and
he must find the relic that belonged to Rowen, a ravenclaw.
Luna leads him to the raven Clock common room, where
a statue of the house's founder awaits, but so does
an ambush.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Dun Dun Dune.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
This is a relatively short chapter. It is, which was
kind of shocking. I was like, Oh, we're done.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
It's like a lot of things happen and nothing happens
at the same time, because it's it's much more about
This is a character chapter. It's not I mean, it's
a plot chapter. I would say it's like eighty chapter
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, it's like eighty percent character and like twenty percent
moving the plot along.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I guess when I was like, oh, we're reading this
chapter for some reason, my thought was, Oh, we're going
to go into the whole thing about the diadem. But
that doesn't happened until the next chapter. Yeah, I was like, oh,
never mind.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, honestly, the most important thing for me about
this chapter is Neville's renaissance. Do you all remember? And
I need to bring it up because it's iconic. Do
you remember did you all see the movie like when
it first came out like midnight, like early, like all
the things. Do you remember the cheers, the like streaming

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when Neville shows up and everybody's like yeah, no, oh
that is like those you know, we talk about this,
you know offline as well, but those golden years of
fandom where I mean, you're not gonna get that ever again.
And that is a memory that sticks in my head

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so like so brightly. I know that makes no sense,
but it's it's a strong It's what I always think of.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, the music too, in that moment there, it's like
a perfect is it cute? And it like swells beautifully
and he just like steps.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Out and you're just like, yeah, it's perfection. It's beautiful.
I love it. The only other, the only other like
strong memory I have from is this.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
This is part two.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
This is part two, right, I thought so is. I
was unfortunately sitting next to a Snape fan girl and
she was like ugly sobbing the whole movie.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
God, I just remember, I just remember everybody starting to
like crack up when Voldemort hugs Draco and she's like
dumb busted out laughing.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah. Yeah, but man, those were the days.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Huh time. But man, honestly, that's the thing about seeing
a movie in the theaters is you get those kinds
of moments. Like I was just telling my mom about
we went to Disneyland and we met Captain America, and
my mom has no idea about anything Marvel, so I
had to like explain the whole saga to her, And
I was telling her about being in the cinema when

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at the end of Infinity War when everybody started disappearing,
and then at the end of it, and then in
Endgame and just like the noisest people made, and just
that's the best part, is just being able to like
react and people.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
That shared experience is something.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, but but back to the books.
Here Neville's renaissance and like coming into his own this
is really the the first time we see that. I mean,
there are hints of it, there are hints of it,
a lot of hints of it, but this is just
such a different Nevill and I love it for him.
I want to call it like the I desperately want

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to come up with a fun word for it, like
smash them together, like neville laissance, or like long like
bottom assance, like like I want to come up with
something to call it. But you know, anyway, I'm just
really I'm just really happy for Neville. I found himself.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, I'm had this to talk about a little bit
later because I kind of comparing Neville to some other
characters in here, but Neville just I feel like he's
the type of leader who he kind of has to
be like pushed forward into that leadership role, Like he
he's not naturally just gonna step into that, but he's

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a very but he's kind of the one that just
is kind of like he rises from the crowd, right like,
and the people around him almost like lift him up
to that because they need someone He's he's such a
hopeful leader, which I think is so awesome. Like I
don't know, I can get into that later because I

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want to compare him a little bit, but I was
thinking about that just kind of the type of leader
that Neville really becomes as he kind of steps into
his own and it's so beautiful. It's just really beautiful
it is.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean this we really get to see, you know,
he's the could have been, and we really get to
see how he would have I mean, not exactly how
he would have, but sort of how he would have
stepped into those shoes if fate and the prophecy had
put you know, had pushed things his way. So, but
this whole conversation as Neville is leading them from the Hogshead,

(09:22):
well before they leave the Hogshead, we get a little aberforth,
which is a lot of fun, but we get so
many juicy tidbits.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, we get a lot of like really cool indirect
characterization really quickly. I say this all the time that
the writing in this book is the absolute best, and
this is just some of the examples.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
We get a little bit of indirect characterization of Shamus here,
where you know, Neville like insists, oh, Shamus is worse, right,
Like they're they're shocked at seeing Neville's face and he's
all beat up, and he's like, ah, Shamus is worse,
you know. But we also get this little hint that
Shamus almost needs more of this reassurance from Neville that
Harry and like their supposed salvation right is coming. Right.

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He says, all, I kept telling Seamus you'd show up, right,
I knew you'd show up. I knew you'd show up.
And I really like that because I think that that
almost and especially here, because we know these characters from
the past, right, we know, like in Order the Phoenix,
Seamus was the one that doubts Harry at the beginning, right,

(10:24):
and has to be kind of convinced. Nevill's always kind
of believed in Harry. And it's just it's just really
beautiful to kind of see these little pieces kind of
adding up here for characters that we don't even really
see much. In this chapter. We get this bit for
Aberforth as well. Right, Neville calls him ab he gives

(10:45):
him a nickname, but Aberforth really calls Neville like like
he tries to stay very strict with him, where he's
like long bottom, you know. And Aberfourth also seems really
uncomfortable when Harry tries to thank him, but he also
accepts it. It's just it's this I only get a
little balance that tells us so much about these characters
in such short little bits we are far removed from

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Sorcerer's Stone's info dumping at this point.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Thanks goodness from that.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, and I love how it's a nice parallel because
it's like, it seems like Neville and Aberfirth are close enough.
As much as Aberfirth can be close to anybody, it's
not a go so having the two of them together,
it's like a nice parallel between Dumbledore and Harry and
Neville and Aberthworth. It's really good writing, and it's it's
just a nice little like the second string, I guess,

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so to speak.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I've never made that comparison, but that's awesome, you're.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right, yeah, especially because Neville goes on and he's like, well,
you know, like Ginny, Luna and I were sort of
like the leaders, and you're right, it's it's they get
the other Dumbledore.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, and it is kind of apparently right. Dumbledore always
calls Harry Harry, and Harry always calls him Dumbledore. But
here Neville calls Aberforth ab and he calls them long butot.
It's almost like a switch in how be to each other.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Is there an E on the end or is it
really just.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's really just a wow.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I can't remember now that's okay, I mean, at least
go with eight Neville. But whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's I mean, that's weird before so.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know, but like how are how you know, how
do you get from Margaret to Peg? That's you know
the same thing, like you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
The one that still doesn't make sense?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I know, yeah, that's anyway.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I love Aberforth's reaction when Harry thanks him for saving
their life and he's like, well look after them. Then
I might not be able to do it a third time.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's a great line. It's a great it's a great line.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
It is.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's a great line, I have to say. So they're
walking down this tunnel and Neville's kind of filling them in,
and I was reading this and I was like, this,
this is the movie I want. Everybody talks about like
what movie they like expanded, and I was like, I
think this is the one I want. And I was
thinking of kind of what Star Wars did with the
show and or but can you imagine like a movie

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or a series that's just about this time period of
this resistance in Hogwarts really kind of fleshing out these
things Neville tells them about. We get to see kind
of Neville's hero's journey. We get a little bit more
time with some of these more background characters, teachers, little
like acts of rebellion happening. I I'd watch this now,

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I want it.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I wouldn't watch it, But that sounds the most interesting
of the options. Let's put it that way. It's crazy,
how I mean, I guess it's not crazy. I think
it's just the changing of times. But a decade ago,
I would have said everything that has ever been released
by the author has said is all canon and all
this stuff, And now I couldn't be more stricter, just

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like books, books, books, books, books. Well, but this is funny,
I think, No, it is. I know, but I mean
it is. It would be, and it wouldn't be. Yeah,
you know, I guess I think that would be the
most interesting of the stories they have to tell, even like.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
A fan film. If somebody made a fan film, why
are we doing the Marauders twelve times?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
So we can be doing this much more interesting than
the Marauders or any other ones.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm not gonna crab on people who love the Marauders,
but no, I'm not choose something better.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm just saying I think this isn't This isn't
this is an untapped well spring.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, as part of that,
I just I just really love this quote. You were
talking about like the kind of leader Neville is, and
I think this, you know, is sort of part of that.
This is in response to somebody getting tortured. Of course,

(14:55):
now I can't.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Remember this is uh. When he they're talking about he
talks about muggle studies and how they all have to
take it. That's what he gets. He has. One of
his cuts is from asking Alecto how much muggle blood
they have?

Speaker 1 (15:09):
The cares that's all right, And the quote says, you
didn't hear her said Neville, you wouldn't have stood it either.
The thing is it helps when people stand up to them.
It gives everyone hope. I used to notice that when
you did it, Harry, I was like, oh, it's beautiful,
it's so sweet. It's just so Nebell is such.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
A Neville and his smart mouth here is so because
it really is. We talk about sassy Harry all the time,
and he definitely learns some of the sassiness from Mary too, right.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to ask so when I was
reading it. This time, they're like again, they're in, they're
having this conversation. Neville is fillling them in about what's
going on, and Ron has a couple of replies that
just feel like the tone feels really off to me.
I don't know, there's something about it. I wanted to
see what you thought, so it could be the people

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that they're talking about. Perhaps Neville is going on about
how they stopped doing all of the like Dumbledore's Army
stuff because they lost Luna and Ginny never came back
and you know whatever, and then he says that Michael
Corner went and got caught releasing a first year, they
changed up, they chained up, and they tortured him pretty badly.
That scared people off. And the next line is no kidding,

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muttered Ron. And that one felt really odd, like something
about like it felt it sort of it just read
to me like this time like Ron was I don't
want to say blowing it off, but you know how
sometimes when you're having a conversation with somebody and you're
like listening, but you're not listening because you're not super

(16:49):
interested in what they're telling you, and you're like oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, see I don't get that at all. I get
right totally like incredulous that like you were doing what.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
That makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's how I read all of Ron's responses here, is
that he's like like he's just like, what is happening?
And I think especially there's knowing the fact that Ginny
was involved in this too, and he was like, what
was she doing? Right, Like, I suppose what is happening here?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That makes more sense? Yeah, because there's one letter where
Neville is talking about how they went to attack Augusta,
and he says, she sent me a letter telling me
she was proud of me, that I'm my parents' son
and to keep it up. And Ron just says cool.
And I was like, that's I feel.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Like it's such a I don't look at that that
way like cool, like awesome man, like she's but.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
There was no exclamation point. How can you read it
that way?

Speaker 3 (17:53):
He just says the.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
British I don't know. I don't know. It just really
threw me off for some I hear you on all
of that, and you're probably You're probably right. It just
felt really totally.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
To him, just being like overwhelmed and taking it all
in being like, cool, Okay, this is happening, and that's happening,
and all right, everything's changed and Neville's now a leader.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
What's like what?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Some more of like an overwhelmed reaction than like a
like a passe a kind of one. Okay cool. I
looked up the Carros and just pulled like a little
bit of information. I was mostly curious if their name
had any sort of historical relevance, or if it came

(18:41):
from anywhere, if there was like an entomology do what
I always say the word for study of bugs instead
of the words no, it's etymology, not entomology. The one
with the end is bugs. You're right, right, I always
say it wrong anyway. Apparently it's an obsolete word. It's

(19:03):
not used anymore. But it used to mean a gambler
in Ireland, which of course means nothing in this context.
And for me, I always assumed that it was a
play on the word gallows. I don't know, just something
about like death theaters, and if you think of some
of the other some of the other names, this one
felt always felt like an obvious throw to that word.

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And they are and the Caros are members of the
Sacred twenty eight, So they've been and they've been I
don't want to say batties, but you know, pure bloods
blah blah blah, yeah, gross, for as long as they've
been around.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
So I think it's interesting. The Gambler in Ireland is
an interesting pole because I think, I mean, first, it
tells us they're probably Irish, which is interesting. And also
this association with gambling and especially like Irish gambling and

(20:03):
drinking is a very stereotypical, like negative connotation, which I
think kind of fits them as being these like malicious
dufices if you will. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, and especially

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thinking about like who they are and their association with
their names, and that they're in charge of torture, like
these kids are literally being tortured here, and that made
me think. I was like, how how are these families responding? Right?
I'm as sure, I'm I'm sure most of them are
afraid to do much right because of there's so much

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fear happening. But I was wondering. It occurred to me,
I was like, do they actually know the extent our
letters being censored from kids? So they don't know, you know?
Are they just seeing this when the kids went home
for holidays? What what do families know? Because I feel

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like most families if they heard literally their kids were
torturing and or being tortured, to be like uh no,
and that would be a problem.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I feel like they can't they can't know, They can't
possibly know the extent until like they came home for
holidays and they probably asked what happened, And I have
to wonder if the student would actually tell them what
actually happened or spend some other kind of story because
they've said I think if Neville is the one who
says later that students whose parents or families are causing

(21:43):
trouble on the outside, there's retaliation for that. So I
have to think that they would give them some story
like oh, I fell off my room or you know
whatever to keep their family from trying to fight back
and causing more problems, which is very sad, like yes,
that's awful, or I feel like.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's fascism, baby.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
True, just like yeah, sad staring into the distance.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Sometimes silence says it all my friends.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, yeah, not much else to say, but I think
I just thought it was it seems very hunger.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
That was just like it's hard to move on when
the F word comes into that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
It reminds me my sister was in London and her
friend was like, you're there. It's so hard hearing all
this stuff happening in America and you're you're actually there.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, can do more. Sad, But.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I'm surprised that they sent the children there their kids back,
because you think at least when they're home they would
talk about a little bit of what's happening. And then
to send your kids back knowing that they're being like
it's a completely different school and it's run by Voldemort
just seems kind of crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
But I mean, but they don't really have a choice,
do they, right, Yes, So, like that would be horrible.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
But didn't you knowingly you have to send your child
back somewhere that you know is probably not safe. But
if you don't, then there's other consequences to face.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
But Jim only didn't come back because they literally like
win to hiding.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
True.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yah, they just they talk about early in the book
how it's lucky she was on break so they could
like get her away. You know.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I'm honestly, I'm surprised they let the students go home
for holidays at all.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, you know, I don't want to like give the
bad guys an idea, but that was dumb.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
If you want to like keep students under your control,
why are you letting them go anywhere?

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean I suppose maybe there would have been
more kind of outrage if they didn't.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Sure totally, Yeah, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Sure I don't know, maybe they like had ways of
tracking them or said they had ways of tracking them,
or I mean, everybody is living in fear in this
world during this year, right, Like everybody is in some
extreme fear because nobody exactly knows what's going on, and
there's a lot of you know, people are just disappearing
or dying or you know, you never know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And so mm hmm. Well, in that point, Shamani brought
up about, you know, families being tortured. I love how
Neville brings up Augusta here is grand and it's like,
well it was only it was only a matter of
time before they started doing it in reverse, and they
tried to go after her and no way, she's in
hiding down. I got this letter and it's just it's

(24:47):
so good. I love this chapter.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, I love how he laughs the whole time. He
like retells um. He's like, yeah, they thought they had
this easy and they had no idea. He's just like,
it's great. Everything's great. But I love that we get
a little sense here of their relationship, right, and we
get that edition of you know, he wrote, she wrote
me a letter, she said, I'm my parents' son. And

(25:10):
just with that backstory, we know of them because we've
we've gotten hints of Augusta throughout. You know. It's just
so wonderful. I think that his grandmother has finally come
to see and like and openly praise him in this way.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
I agree, and I want to take away from how
awesome this this part of the chapter is. But I
just feel like he has to do something grand to
be his parents' son, Like you can't just be awesome
average Neville who does this thing with plants, and you know,
like he has to be a leader for her to
be proud of him. Couldn't What if he was like
a Luna who's great but like kind of more of
a follower and doesn't really lead anybody. It always bothered

(25:53):
me I just like, why can't he just be love
for being Neville.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's kind of how I feel about it too, Like
it's a little bit sad that he's so excited that
he gets praised from her, but that this is the
way that he has to get the appreciation by basically
stepping out and being this big leader as opposed to
what Tracy said, just just neblle. I mean, this is neblle.

(26:18):
But you know, I.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Wonder if it's more like I've always gotten sense she
loved him and that's why she pushed him to be
better because she was like, I know, you have this potential. Yeah,
and she's kind of old school, you know, so so
she's she's kind of doing that. But I mean, you're
probably right, but I think maybe to see it in
writing and those exact words, you know, because the last

(26:43):
time we saw her was in order when you know
that they're at Saint Mungo's and you see them kind
of compared there, which which I think is no, but
you're right, like he shouldn't have had to have done
something crazy big for her to say that out loud.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like it's kind of a mixed thing because I'm sure
being told that he's like his parents. Knowing how great
his parents were was a confidence booster for him, So
I can see how he would be excited about that.
But at the same time, what about praises for being him?
I don't know, I'm torn.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, it has to be hard when you know, none
of us know what that's really like to lose both
of your parents so young, and what that does to
your confidence. I mean, of course we get Harry as
an example, but Harry also exists under extreme different circumstances.

(27:45):
There's someone who's in control of his life for the
first arguably we could say, even eighteen to nineteen years
of it. Really, I mean, even after this, he probably
still has a little bit less control than he would like.
And I I wish Neville had just gotten a little
bit more support from Augusta. But the truth is, I

(28:08):
mean she was probably heartbroken for a long time. And
you can't I'd not say you can't. I can imagine
it would be incredibly difficult to parent a child while
you are grieving your own child. I can't imagine what
it's like. Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine what that's like.

(28:31):
And it is really it, it's really sad, Yes, but
better late than never. It's nice to see Augusta recognize
that Neville has this in him. And it really just
took those friendships of those people at Hogwarts in these
moments for Neville to get that confidence that he should

(28:51):
have always had. If he had grown up with Frank
and Ellis, he would he would not, Yeah, he would
not be sort of that broken little boy that we meet.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I wonder, do we know does he look like Frank?
Does he have a similar thing to like how Harry
looks like James. I don't know, because I wonder if
that would have a big impact, right, I mean, if
if Augusta is looking at her grandson who looks like
her only child, who was you know, in that grieving process,
I mean kind of like kind of like how serious

(29:25):
does with Harry? Right?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, Well, and it works both ways for Harry too,
because Harry hears all the time, you look so like
your dad, but you have your mother's eyes, which he
takes as a compliment constantly. So maybe it works both
ways in that sense too. Yeah, Augusta, i'd be I mean,
I love her, she's she's fantastic. She's a little bit

(29:48):
of a bully, but but I think for I think
usually for the right reasons.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And this is a flashback scene I want in that
film where they're showing the rebellion at Hogwarts, I want
them to flash to the family, and I need to
see Augusta and her Yes, one.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Hundred percent, I need that scene of her like taken
down and like like you just hear the voiceover of
the letter of her like telling Neville what happens.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
So good, so good, I love so good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Speaking of Neville and Harry, though, I did kind of
think in this chapter, I was kind of thinking of
different kinds of leaders, because we get three kind of
really big examples, I think in this chapter. So we
get Neville obviously, like I said, he's he's a very
hopeful leader that's kind of like pushed forward by the
crowd almost to be their leader. Then you get Harry,

(30:42):
who's that very like idealistic leader who's very like focused
on the great mission, very individually burdened, you know, destined
to be the leader, but doesn't want to be. Kind
of so you get I think of them all in images.
This is this is kind of weird, but I find
them all in kind of images of leaders. So Neville
is kind of the one that's like pushed forward by

(31:04):
the crowd. Harry is very much that kind of like
point of the spear leader. And then I was kind
of thinking about Ron, right because Ron, when Harry is
being like, no, they can't help, we can't let anybody
else do this, Ron is like, hey, why can't they help? Right,
Like they can help us. And Ron I see as
very much kind of like a leader of the people,

(31:26):
Like he has a sense of them, he understands them,
he kind of sees what they can contribute, and he's
kind of the leader who like walks among the troops
and like fights side by side and won't let anybody
else take a risk that he won't.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
So three, I don't know if that makes sense, but
I just see them as three very distinct types of leaders,
which is very interesting. And yet they all work together
really well because of that, Like they don't infight because
they're not clashing with the same type of lead, if
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Where's Hermione, Well, Hermione.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Is always the brains behind it, right, Like Hermione is
the intellectual, the plan maker, that kind of thing. But
I guess I just saw more in action here, and
that's we kind of stood out, not saying that other
people aren't leaders, but just these three I felt like
had really distinct moments in this chapter.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
I originally said I wasn't sure if I agree about Ron,
but now that you've explained it more, I think maybe
I do. I just thought that Ron he's more down
to earth than Herring or Hermione as leaders. I feel
I agree with that, but I don't know if I
see him as someone who notices people's individual talents, because
he's kind of oblivious, I feel like sometimes to people

(32:47):
in a way. So it was kind of on the fence.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
I can see that. I guess I just went with
that idea that I've talked about before, and I think
we've talked about before that Ron, for his emotional range
of matistmaan On also so though, has some very nurturing qualities,
right like when somebody's upset, he's the one who's going
to offer them a cup of tea or something, you know,
Like he he does have those qualities in him, And

(33:14):
and that's kind of how I saw his leadership going.
Is it's a very like this is a weird, weird,
weird comparison But the image that also came to my
head for this was if you've read Henry the Fifth,
there's a scene where Henry like wanders among the troops
at night and he's he's disguised, but he like goes
to like get the pulse of how everybody's feeling before
this big battle. And I felt like Ron is the

(33:36):
type that would do that a lot like Ron would
be the one to like kind of go at his
best and at his most mature, obviously he'd be the
one to kind of go among the people and be like,
how are we doing, how are we feeling?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
We're gonna be in this together. I'm standing side by
side with you.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Ron is like hands on, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Whereas Harry is very much like the this is the mission.
I must complete the mission. I am here at the
front right.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Like he's like the genuin protector and Hermione's the planning,
the brain's behind the operation with the maps and she's
mapping everything out. Harry's given the commands, and Ron's out
there with yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
And Neville is more of the one of like it's
a big mass, there's no leadership, and everybody kind of
turns to him and says, what about you, right, and
so that's when he kind of steps into it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I've been trying to think about, like I read an
article recently that was comparing Harry Potter and Lord of
the Rings. Nothing new, not like groundbreaking, But as you
were talking, I was trying to think of, like, who's who,
just to help me figure out if I'm on the
same page with you as far as ron because obviously

(34:51):
Harry is Froudo. They are the person who has been
sort of thrust into the destiny, partially not by their
well pretty much not by their own choice. And you
know there are other obvious compararem parallels, com parallels, parallels.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Kind of a great word. You know, you've got the Dumbledore,
and you've got the Gandelf, and you've got the Voldemoor
and the the Sauron and whatever. But I was trying.
I was trying to think if Neville is Aerra Gorne,
which Harry is Frono, it's.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Like a combo of both. I would see more Sam.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I think Ron is Sam. Neville's Neville's not Sam. Yeah. Oh,
Tracy's shaking her head. What do you mean? No?

Speaker 5 (35:49):
You feel like I always jump on wrong. I love Ron,
but I don't think he's Sam. I think he's more.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Wow on.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
No, I mean Ron, Ron in this sense is Sam
because he is the leader's sidekick. He is the hero,
the sidekick to the hero's journey. He is Harry's sidekick,
you know, as Sam is Frodo's sidekick. Of course, they're
different characters because Sam is.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Uh not as.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Materialistic, and he's he has a lot more confidence than Ron,
you know, all of those things. But I think I'm
gonna stick with my. Neville is Arara Gorn, even though
I agree that like aer Gorne No see, they were
both like pushed by the people to be the leader. Yeah,
I'm here for that. I'm here for that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I mean I also.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Doesn't Neville have He's the could have been. He's the
could have been.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Neville is also kind of a little bit of Gimli too,
like what the whole whoa go in and fight? Like
his whole rebellion.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And my acts. Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well now when I watch Lord of the Rings, Thanks Kat,
it's time for another place.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I have been trying to find someone for like two
years to have a marathon with me, so let's do it.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yes, the boys keep asking for one, they we need
to watch the extended versions and just watch them all.
I'm like, I'm down. Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
It's a commitment.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, it's a long time, but let's do it.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, yeah. So they come to the Room of Requirement
and everybody is like explosion of happiness because Harry You're here.
And we learn that we have some people that are
that are currently living in the Room of Requirement. So
Neville's there, Seamus is there, Lavender Brown is there, Michael Corner,

(37:56):
Terry Boot Padman, Pravadi Patil, and Ernie mcmill which was
interesting to me because I was like, aren't there other
Hufflepuffs that should be there, Like where's Susan, Where's Hannah?
Where's are they not here? And I was trying to
remember because I know there's the thing about like muggle
borns aren't allowed anymore, Justin, Like who else are we missing?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
You know, like Justin's probably in hiding.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Justin's probably in hiding. I Susan bones, I mean bone
good to go?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
When was her Auntie?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
She's probably hiding?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Doesn't she leave?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I think she leaves after her Auntie is.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Killed, which is in half blood, but I don't know
if she said would have stayed away.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I don't know. I mean two, they are living in
the Room of Requirement but still attending classes, so maybe
they are are.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
They are they?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Because they never killed, but maybe some of the others are.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
That's true. So I always got the feeling that those
in the Room requirement are those that have to be
under more protection, like they can't doubt and about. So
maybe that's why maybe some of the maybe some of
the other Hufflepuffs have have kept their heads.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Down a little bit more and they know all of
these people are well associated with Harry. So yeah, I
think the theory that they have to be more protected
is yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah. My question is because listen, Ernie McMillan definitely mouthed
off some.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
My question is what did Lavender and Pervadi do.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
You could be kind of they could be feisty. I
could see them standing up.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, okay, maybe they were standing up for frenzy or something,
because I can't imagine the death theater is letting us
centaur teach dimonation. Yeah, oh yeah, maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
And we know Michael Corner got caught letting out of
first year. Harry Boot yelled about the dragon at dinner.
You had to like get out of there. Padma probably
was with, you know, or or that was a safety thing.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So yeah, I like the random Terry Boot mentioned, because
we never hear about Terry Boot and then here is
Terry Boot, Like, what's up? Ter Yeah, like you know
where you've been all this time?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's oh my god. That just reminded me of the
Jacob like where you've.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Been Loco, the most awkward line.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
It's so.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
It's good, but it's I love it anyway. So they're
they're talking about how Neville basically has like mastered the
rumor of requirement, about how how he he and he
alone gets how you can keep the carrows out out,

(41:00):
and how the room has grown over time as people there.
It's it. He says that it started out with just
a cot in a gryffindor banner, and then as other
people showed up, it started to, uh, you know, to expand,
and then once the girls showed up, they finally got
a bathroom. I was like, so did the boys not

(41:22):
have a bathroom.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Like Chamber Potts yeah, the Room of Requirement loves Chamber Potts.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Boys are different, like listen they I'm experiencing this person
and they're different. Yeah, it's very different.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Like they don't care, like please, I work at a
high school.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, I know they don't care.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah. But I pulled two throwback comments for today, both
sort of on this theme, because I thought they were
so good and really really interesting. The first one is
about the House representation and in the Room of Requirement,
and it's from our friend dream Loomos thirty and they say,
regarding the Room of Requirement in the absence of the

(42:08):
Slytherin representation. I think this was a stark way for
the author to show us just how sad it is
when we fight amongst ourselves, or when we engage in
any type of civil war. This has happened so many
times in our history as humans that something quote teeny
tiny in our DNA can cause us to turn on
each other. I do see the absence of Slytherin in

(42:30):
the Battle of Hogwarts as a demonstration of civil war.
We read in our history books how brother turned on
brother in opposition to slavery during the American Civil War,
and while no one wants to believe that anyone could
ever support the idea of slavery. It's a sad truth
it happened. Similarly, it's hard for us as fans, especially
for Slytherin fans, to accept that a subset of people,

(42:51):
led by Slytherin House in our home Hogwarts, were fighting
to subjugate an entire race of people. And I picked
that one because hello, this moment right now, in this time,
in twenty twenty five, and also I just loved those comparisons, honestly.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, it for some reason, it made me think about how,
in just a couple of chapters, right, Voldemort is going
to declare that the Slytherin colors and emblems and symbols
are going to now be for all of Hogwarts. Right,
he says, that's gonna We're gonna do that for everybody,
and then we have this little subset that's that's got

(43:31):
like the three other houses here. Because I find it
interesting that the Room of Requirement was like, I'm gonna
give you a banner of Gryffindor, and then I'm gonna
get you some like why right, like why?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Maybe it was everyone needs an interior decorator.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Apparently, and maybe it was like, this will make you
feel more at home if you have your like, yeah,
the normal colors you're you're associating with where you sleep
and live in this castle under normal times.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
But I also think it's fantastic that the Room of
Requirement knows what how you're in, Like, yeah, are you
in cahoots with the storting hat? How do you know?
How do you know they talk? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
My only issue though, is with the hammocks, Like, I
don't know that I would be down with the hammock.
I'd be Can I get a bed because I feel
like the hand I mean, the hammock is cool for
like relaxing or whatever, but I feel like sleeping in
one every night might get a little old. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I mean, Shamani, we are also forty, this is true,
and these kids are seventy.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
This is true. This is true.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah. So I also get the feeling that this room
is pretty small. Yeah, like it it's keeping itself pretty
contained and compact, because I think Neville says the room
itself even gets bigger, right like that, that it was
smaller until somebody else showed up and then gets a
little bigger. It's like each person gets a certain number

(44:59):
of square so like, so maybe that's part of it,
is you know, trying to use space.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Yeah, going back to the like the what do you
call it? Civil war point? Like isn't it a little
hypocrisy though? Because it's like it's showing that they're turning
each other and that the Sitherins are willing to subjugate
a race of people. But it's like you're not letting
any Slytherins who might be not like that to get

(45:27):
into the room or be part of this. So it
just seems like it's like, hmmm, kind of the opposite
of what they're trying to you know what I mean?
Like it it.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
We talked about that, I think on the the last
chapter we talked about the DA and it was like,
what if there was a Slytherin right who was on
their side? And it is again that kind of discrimination
tends to kind of go both ways in these kinds
of cases, right where when you decide someone else is
your enemy, you don't you kind of close yourself off

(46:00):
off from someone who might be your friends just because
of that demographic or like some identifier for them.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
That makes me wonder too, if there was a Slytherin
who wanted to get in on the resistance, it probably
would be difficult for them to be included because they
wouldn't want to expose themselves to the other Slytherins. I mean,
I'm just assuming that the majority, especially those with dead

(46:29):
theaters as parents, are in support of Voldemort. So if
you were like an outlier Slytherin, you would have to
pretty much say undercover, otherwise you would be in danger.
But then again, this would be the perfect way for
them to do that because they could slip into the
room and just stay there.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Slytherins would be really good at kind of being those spies, right, Like,
I'm working with them, but everybody thinks I'm here, So
it would make sense that and wouldn't be in there
if they were working with them, because they would.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Be on the ground.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, it's a real it's a real shortcoming of the
novels in general that we only get evil quote unquote
evil bad Yeah, Slytherins, I get. I mean, it's the
story she wanted to tell. That's fine, that's her prerogative
as the author. But I do think it's a I

(47:29):
do think it's a shortcoming. I was just running through
the list in my head. I don't think there's a
single Slytherin student we are aware of who doesn't have
a parent as a death eater. Maybe Milicent Bulstrode.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I don't think if Green Grasses do.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
What about Pansy. We don't hear anything about her.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, we don't know any We don't even know anything
about her parents. So I think we can't I think
we can't count that the Green Grasses they're a Sacred
twenty eight family, right.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Oh yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Hang on, I need to look those up.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
But I mean, even we even hear about like the Blacks, right,
the Blacks weren't necessarily death.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Eaters, but they were supportive.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
They were supportive, and it seems like there's even some,
especially these ones that are on like the Sacred twenty
eight list and things, that they even if they're not
entirely supportive, they're keeping their mouths shut right like they're.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, because statistically when it, I mean, it's a mathematic
impossibility that every single Slitherin is evil.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, So the Sacred twenty eight just as a reminder,
Abbott Avery Black Bolstrode Burke Caro Crouch, Folly, Flint, Gaunt,
green Grass, The Strange, Long Bottom, McMillan, malf why not, Olivander, Parkinson, Pruitt, Rossier, Raoul, Selwyn, Shackel, Bolt, Cheffique,

(48:52):
slug Horn, Travers, Weasley, and Yaxley.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
So those are death Eater.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, and you know I already said it, but I'll
say it again. I think it's a real shortcoming of
the novels. No, I think you're right that we don't
that we don't have a good Slytherin. I think it's
really sad. But we have the novels that we have
and it is what it is, I mean, and we have.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
The extra canonical of like, oh they went to go
get when they left, there were Slytherins that went and
got the villagers and the families and whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
So yeah, that came out in an interview or something, right, Yeah, yeah, yes,
that sounds right. But our second throwback comment is from
Sylven Puff Door, which is a lot of fun. It's
about how again how Neville is really mastering the Room
of Requirement, and they say it is rather strange that
the Room of Requirement didn't path to the kitchens. This

(49:49):
is the first time we see the Room exercising its
power outside of itself. And if it can do this,
what really are the limitations? Is the Room of Requirement
the most powerful magical artifact and existence? It can save
infinite versions of itself, incorporating different variations of its internal
structure and contents to meet the desire of any which

(50:11):
or wizard, and now it can carve a path to
hogsmade through stone. Very interesting especially, Is the Room of
Requirement the most powerful magical artifact in existence? I don't
know if artifact is the word I would use to
describe it, but I think the answer is probably top three, honestly.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, because the Room of Requirement is almost like a
room like manifestation of your imagination. Basically, I was.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Gonna say, yes, the Room of Requirement is like a room.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
What Yes, shocker, but it is. It is. It's like
a physical manifestation of a human imagination, which is great.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Wild.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Yeah, maybe it didn't go to the kitchens because that
could be a safety concern because there's only like one
way into the castle in and out right, and it's
through that cabinet, and it appears somewhere else every day,
and so maybe that was a safety concern. Maybe Neville
somewhere subconsciously was like, I don't want to hurt anyone innocent,

(51:23):
and so it was like, well, then we can't let
the house elves get involved.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Basically, good, I'm glad you brought them up, because I
think that was going to be. That's gonna be my
reason as to why, Yeah, is that. Yeah, they're innocent,
they are innocent lives, they are just doing a job.
These are these are like enslaved beings that have nothing
to do with anything. Let's not involve them.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, we don't want that honorable year.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, imagine if it did have a path to the
kitchens and the death theaters found out that, oh my gosh,
the kitchen ows were bringing the prisoners or these refugees
however you want to describe them food, they would be
tortured and murdered. So, yes, protecting them at all costs,
I think.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Okay, I like to.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Think Neville believes that. But also the more importantly, the
room believes that.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yes, yes, the room is because the Room is a
part of Hogwarts, and I think we've discussed how Hogwarts
has a sort of sentience and it does care about
its own right, Yeah, Okay. Also I'm saying, adding this
to our little adaptation, our little movie of what was
happening at Hogwarts, we gotta have a bit with the
house elves in there too, and like anyway, Yeah, but

(52:40):
maybe it also was it knew that Neville would also
not just need food, but outside help other kinds of nourishment. Yeah,
that's why it created the tunnel to the Hogshead, right,
because it knew that was someone he could trust for
other things as well.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And Seamus's quote is so good. Every time they're like
they finished talking about he goes Neville's the man. And
I always imagine, you know in the movies when friend
George like the fireworks and like Umbridge storms out and
you get that little flitwick fist bump. Yeah, I always
think about Seamus doing like a little yeah, like Neville's

(53:23):
so cool in.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
The shoulder friendly.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah yeah, brown out. You know, I don't know, I
just think it's so cute.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Like I love this idea that Seamus and Neville got
really close this year because all the other boys and
they were, and.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
The Dean's on the run. I mean, in a minute,
we're gonna see some of these people show up.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
And Son, you know, so they yeah, they showed back
at that Hogwarts and it was just the two of them, yeah,
for a while, and then they were in this trouble
together and they know what kind of banded together.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Maybe they pushed the beds together so they could bigger
beds to sleep in. You know, I don't know. It's
very cute, it's very cute, but yeah, I mean Dean
shows back up along with a list of other people here.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, so all of a sudden, the door gets knocked
down because here comes Luna, here comes Dean, which that
moment where so cute see each other. That is so cute.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Salt and Pepper the original, the original OTP, just saying
love them.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Jenny shows up, Fred shows up, George shows up, Lee
Jordan shows up, Cho Chang shows up, and I also
like semi random list in some night.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, I mean basically everyone who's been like on the
run pretty much.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, so they they all show up because they're like, hey, Neville,
send a message.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
It's rebellion time, and can we talk about how brilliant
it is that they all saved their coins and that
Neville thought, hey, we can use these and actually use
them and put them into good use, Like that's just
nevill Is, like he is on it right now.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I want to know how they did this though, because
the coins the only thing that changes, right is the
serial numbers. That's what it says, because it was supposed
to change to the date. So did they like come
up with a whole code that was like, here's the
code of what the different numbers mean so we can
send other messages like or was it like a pager

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of some sort.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Like.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
What dial this number before?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Does the book say specifically.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
That?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I mean, it says Neville sent like a message. What
what are the exact words?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I'm just saying that Neville send a message that Harry
was back and we're going to fight.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So maybe maybe it's maybe they don't use them constantly,
but he just said keep these on your person because
if Harry comes back, I will send you you know, one, two, three, four.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Well Luna, Luna sends Neville a message through them saying
that she's safe. M right.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Maybe it's like a number like a phone tree, where
it's like one for I'm safe too, for I'm in danger,
three for Harry's coming. Four, Like maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, it could be, or maybe it's like maybe it's
like the radio like the Twins are doing right where
they're like, here's the frequency.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Oh yeah, somehow.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, because there is a there's a wireless in you're right,
oh yeah, the room of requirements. So maybe maybe that's
how they've done it, is here's the frequency to tune
intwo and and this is my message.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Like that, Yeah, that's that's a good thought. Tie those
two together. That really that Really I think that's really
beautiful because that ties all the people that are on
the run with the folks who are at Hogwarts fighting
like keeping up a resistance. I really like that.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Again an and Or style series about that, right, make
it have just these few months in time? Yeah, yes,
this like well it's almost a year, right, it's like
a school year here. I also, I find it so
fascinating that all the kids, their assumption is like, oh,
we're here, we're taking back Hogwarts, right, Like they think

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that's the mission.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
And I was like, do they not see the bigger
picture that's happening here or did they think that maybe
like Harry Ron and Hermione are going around to individual
places and like liberating individual places, you know, like almost
like in a war where you take territory back. Is
that what they thought was kind of happening.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Or I mean this in the best possible way, but
it just seems like the most griffindory thing ever, Like,
whe're you here to fight? I mean, we don't care
how it's going to happen, and we don't care what's
going on. We're just here to do things and we
are ready to help you.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, that's real, Like we don't care what we're fighting for,
who we're fighting, what we're doing, We're just let's just
do it.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Now, I think it has a lot to do with
the fact that, I mean, they haven't really been outside
of the school, so they only know what's happening, like
this is their world that that's all they know right now,
And they don't really know the information Harry has either,
so they don't understand that there's a bigger part to
defeating Voldemort. So I think they kind of associate getting

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the Death Eaters out of the castle with defeating Voldemort,
like once they drive them out, then they can take
Baltimore down. Or I don't know, maybe some of them
naively think that once the death Theaters are driven out
Baltimore will give up for something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's all
of those things. Plus also, they're teenagers and they've been
fed propaganda about Harry. They probably just think Harry is
in hiding. I mean, for all they know, Ron really
is home with Spattergway and Hermione is in hiding somewhere,
and Harry's in hiding. You have to remember too, that

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nobody knows about Horcruxes, nobody knows about Tom Riddle, nobody
knows what Dumbledore was looking into other than the small
amount of people who do. And those kids could neverver imagine, never,
in their wildest dreams, couldn't imagine the lengths that Voldemore

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went to to become immortal, and the journey that Harry
is on, Like, they could never think, They could never
think that up. So why would they ever even remotely think, Oh,
Harry's here doing something on that crazy journey that he's on,
because he's trying to like find piece of Boltemore's soul.
And as Shamani said, Hogwarts is their entire world. It

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is their entire world. And when you're a teenager, you
tend to think. Not everybody, but most you tend to
think a bit smaller, a little bit more selfishly. So
I do think it's funny because us as readers Hindsight
twenty twenty, we get the bigger picture, we know all
the details, but that it, you know, it makes sense
to me, and I think it's also a really valid

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first step because Baltimore is we have talked about this,
a terrible batty. He is a terrible villaine. Sure he is,
like he wants to take over this tiny like he's
trying to take over the Wizarding World like, which is microscopic,

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but he's focused on a school in Scotland first. I mean, like,
sure he's been at the ministry or whatever, but it
now I'm gonna draw some parallels because yes, the education
of the community in tearing down that is always a
first step when it comes to the F word, right,
that is always one of the first steps you have

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to stop educating the masses. But Baltimore is a bad
villain and putting so much steak in Hogwarts. I feel
like so early was a bad move. But that's you know, well,
that's another conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
The kids also might be thinking this because they've heard
that Harry's been to the Ministry, They've heard that Harry
went to Greenots, right, so they've heard that he's been
at these places. So I guess it kind of would
to them be the next logical step of Hogwarts. And
I mean, if we also think about it all, pretty
much all the kids in Britain, all the wizards in
Britain have been educated at Hogwarts. Right, it really is

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an institution, a cornerstone of this community, so it would
make sense for that to be kind of the next place.
And it could be a stronghold as well. Right, It's
a big old castle with a lot of protections. So
maybe that's what they were thinking too, is like this
is going to be the base of operations for everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And so reclaim this as our safe space. Yeah, yeah,
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
That would make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah. So as these people are coming in and they're
like chatting about what happens next, Harry all of a
sudden gets this pain and he turns around and he
is transported to Voldemore, who is staring down to floorboards
in the Gaunt Cottage in Hangleton at the box where

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the ring is The ring is missing, and Harry manages
to pull himself out and he tells Ron and Hermione
like we need to get going, like let's go. And
I wondered if you all thought so Harry's thinking, well,
is he going to go here? Or is he going
to come to Agwarts? What are his next steps? And
do you think that there is a rhyme or reason

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as to the order in which Voldemor goes to check
and his horse cruxes. Because I think it's telling that
he went to the Gaunt shack first. Maybe it was
the cl to where he was. Let's just pretend that
locations don't matter. But I think it's telling because I
think the different hoorecruxes means something different to him. You know,

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each one has holds a different significance, I would imagine.
So I wonder what you thought about that, because he
goes to he goes to check on the ring first,
and then he goes to the cave and then he
comes to Hogwarts. Right, it's just those yeah, because he
knows he knows Gringots has been stolen, diary's already gone,

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and he's gotten a guinea. Yeah, he's so what do
you think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
It's because I was thinking about the same question too,
and what I came to is, I think it's the
order that he is afraid that they can be tied
to him or that they are protected, right because he
he I think he's he thinks at one point, and
Harry thinks like, here's it, or like sees it that

(01:04:01):
He's like, well, Dumbledore may have found the connection to
the Gaunts, so that one may not be a safe
and he's like, well, the cave nobody knows about that. Well,
but Dumbledore was at the Orphanage. Maybe somehow that got
to him. Wait a second, he has this exact thought.
I just remembered. I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
No, he does, You're right, because then Ravencloth flashes through
his mind and then Hogwarts, and that's how he figures
out that the raven cloth thing is at Hogwarts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Hold on, hold on, okay, find the quote. Nope, there's
there's a whole quote. There's a whole quote.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, because doesn't Dumbledore say in Half Blood when they're
talking about the Ring that he like, there was almost
no protections around it. He just sort of threw it
there because he didn't care about it really at all.
So it would make sense if on that line of thinking,
that he goes there first because it's the least protected.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Was the ring the first one he made? It's either
a ring or the diary, because I'm wondering if he's
going in order of when they were created, like the
ones that are left, because we know the diary is gone,
so that one is out of the picture.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Why do I never remember what order these were made?
Is the ring first or is the diary?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Do you hear the ring or the diary?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I feel like it's a ring, ring because he has
the ring when he's at Hogwarts and then look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
While Allison's looking up the thing. Just look up the thing.
We're just going to spend three minutes here chatting Shamanie
and Tracy. What's going on with your day?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
And now, folks, we are source checking.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Your reference.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Okay, okay. The ring was definitely first. The ring was
definitely first. That he murdered them in July and made
the first horn crux the ring August nineteen forty two,
and then moaning Myrtle's death was June nineteen forty three,

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and he made the Diary of horn Crucks in September
forty three excellent. So it was ring, diary, Lockett, cup, diadem, Neghini.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Why am I just realizing his childhood was going?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
So then that's what Tracy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
I was just realizing that it was the woring World
War two. That's interesting, I wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Anyway, So they were essentially destroyed then in the order
that they were made almost close, so it seems like
he is visiting them in a particular order anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
So in just a couple chapters before this, Baltimore finds
out that they've broken into Grengotts and they've taken hulf
Apuff's cup, and that's when he figures out they're going
after horcruxes. So he says, but he must know, he
must be sure. He paced the room, kicking aside the
goblin's corpse as he passed, and the pictures blurred and

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burned in his boiled brain. The lake, the shack, and hogwarts.
A moticum of calm cooled his rage. Now, how could
the boy know that he had hidden the ring in
the Gaunt shack? No one had ever known him to
be related to the Gaunts. He had hidden the connet.
The killings had never been traced to him. The ring
surely was safe, and how could the boy or anyone
else know about the cave or penetrate its protection. The

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idea of the lock of being stolen was absurd. As
for the school, he alone knew where in Hogwarts he
had stowed the horcrucks, because he alone had plumbed the
deepest secrets of that place. And there was still the
guinea who must remain close now, now no longer sent
to do his bidding under his protection? Which should he
visit first? Which was in most danger? And old unease
flickered inside him. Dumbledore had known his middle name, Dumbledore

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might have made the connection with the Gaunts. Their abandoned
home was perhaps the least secure of his hiding places.
It was there that he would go first. The lake
surely impossible, though there was a slight possibility that Dumbledore
might have known some of his past misdeeds through the
Orphanage and Hogwarts, but he knew that his horcrucks there
was safe. It would be impossible for Potter to enter
Hogwarts without detection, let alone the school. Nevertheless, it would

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be prudent to alert Snape to the fact that the
boy might try to re enter the castle. Yeah and
then he says, so he would visit the Gaunt Shack
first then and take the GUINEI with him. He would
not be parted from the snake anymore. And then he
goes there. So why is Harry like, I don't know
where he's going first, because he definitely just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Is that is that quote that you just read, Like,
is Harry in Boltimore's mind at the moment?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Is yes?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Huh Okay, Well that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
I mean, maybe he forgot because that was about the
time that they were It's it's in the chapter the
final hiding Place, so it's when they're like on the
dragon just got out of green Gots, craziness is happening.
So maybe he just forgot. I'll give him some.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Grace there, but it's a terrible thing to forget.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, really, it's kind of important real.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Oh this is where he's going. Let's keep that one outline.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah yeah, especially since you're at the third and final place.
Yeah yeah, okay, Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I mean maybe his more concern was how fast he
could get there or if he was seeing things in
real time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
But yeah, who knows. But this is the moment that
Allison you hinted at before, where Ron is like, okay,
trying to figure out a way that he can use
everybody without using everybody. And I think it is so
clever how they sidestepped Dumbledore's instructions just enough. They didn't

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actually tell anyone what was going on, but they told
them without telling them. The quote is Dumbledore left the
three of us a job we weren't supposed to tell.
I mean, he wanted us to do it, just the
three of us. Then Neville says, we're his army, We're
Dumbledore's army. We're in it together, and we've been keeping
it going while you three have been off on your own.
One Neville standing up to them amazing, beautiful, parallel to

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the first book when it's like it's hard to stand
up to your friends, never enemy. Is whatever that quote is,
but just perfection on Ron's part to be like we
can tell them, we just don't have to tell them.
Let's tell them, but not tell them. It's beautiful. I
love it again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I think is again Ron showing his type of leadership right,
which is like we can we can still have them
help us even if they don't have all the information, right,
like we they still have value almost not that Harry
doesn't think they have value, but like in a different way,
you know, like they can still be useful.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Well, and as Ron is saying this, Harry is thinking
to himself, well, no, wait a minute, like Dumbledore said,
and it's us. And there's this other quote, so many
good quotes in the chapter Secrets and Lies. That's how
we grew up in Albis. He was a natural. And
that's Harry, of course, thinking about something Aberford said to them.
Was he turning it to Dumbledore, keeping his secrets clutched

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to his chest, afraid to trust? But Dumbledore had trusted
Snape And where had that led to murder at the
top of the Highest Tower? What a parallel? What a parallel?

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Just going back to the Ron thing for one second,
I do you think that like Hermione gathers in information,
Harry interprets the information, Ron is the one who like
executes it or makes it or the vice versa. Do
you think just because it's like, you know, like they
don't mention from Hermione, but like Ron, by him being
like this is the slight way we can do it,
but not do it, it is like him maybe he

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doesn't want to interpret it his information.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Well, I was gonna say, I think Ron interprets and
Harry is more of the action. Always.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Well, Harry is the impulsive one here, period, point blank, forever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Ron is typically the one that's like, hold on, let's
like yes, hermione obviously of course, but Ron is like,
let's let's try and come up with let's pause a
minute here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Pal sometimes because sometimes he's also the hype man and
he's like, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
But well that's true, yeah, yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I find this whole Harry's whole thought here of you know,
keeping afraid to trust. Because we've talked about before how
Harry's for so long is a to trust adults. Right,
Harry doesn't trust adults throughout this whole series, and he
kind of does the same thing, right, He already kind
of is in this place of like Dumbledore, he's going

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to keep everything kind of close to a certain extent
and not trust because Harry's experience has always been you
tell someone, especially an adult, these things, and like he says, Dumbledore,
trust is snap and where did that lead murder on
the tower?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
That's always been Harry's experience too, And so it does
really kind of take Ron to be like and Hermione
because Hermione straight out says that you don't have to
do this alone, Harry, right, It takes them to remind
him that he doesn't have to do everything alone, and
in fact, that he is stronger when he has others
around him, and that that is what Dumbledore's kind of

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failing was, by not trusting others, by not having that
support system around him. That's why Dumbledore fails, right by
not telling Harry what was going on with Snape, things
blew up, right, Yeah, by not you know, it's it's
just a fascinating reflection again, a very character driven reflection

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for all of them here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Well, and it's nice that we get that the culmination
of it and the King's Cross chapter when Dumbledore is like, basically,
I always knew you were a better man than me, Harry.
I always knew you were better, and here Harry is
proving it right here. But he's better because of his friends,
not solely because of his choices, but because of the

(01:13:39):
people in his life who help him be better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It's definitely I think in this particular moment it shows
more of Ron's character because I feel like Ron is
the type where he has an inherent need to be
needed and to be useful, and he can see that
the other people who were here in the requirement also
have that same need. They want to be helpful, they

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want to do something. So I think it's brilliant that
he has the presence of mind to stop and think
about it and figure out the way to make them
feel useful while like Katsa, not telling them the whole story,
like telling them what's going on without telling them what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Mm hmm. I mean Ron can relate to feeling left out,
He can relate to feeling like nobody can need stuff,
like nobody wants him there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Yeah, Which is why I think he's he's such a
good leader in this way, is that he does have
that more of that connection with people, and so he's
going to be like, I'm going to do for you
what I would have wanted in that space too, write like,
if I'm gonna lead, I'm going to make sure that
I don't forget what it's like to be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Right, can't forget the little guys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Well, so they do decide to say something and Harry says, Okay,
well we're not here to do this, but we we
are here for this. We're looking for an object of
raven clause. We don't know what it is. And is
it no the movies it is it Luna? Oh yeah,
because she says, oh, it's the diadem, you know, like

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the one that Daddy's got at home. Yeah, and Ron's
line in the movie though I love it, He's like,
what that bloody hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
But I mean if they say that, they basically say that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
In this book to he does basically say that. And
so they're all talking about like what a diadem is
and they're like, oh, it's the lost a diadem of
raven Claw. It hasn't been seen for centuries. And then
Harry's like you can almost hear it in the narration.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
It yeah, shucks, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
You know. My question is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Why do all these raven Claus just accept it's lost?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Like, I feel like a raven Clau should be more
curious and more eager to be like, but I want
to be the one to fight, right, So why they'll
like it's lost and nobody knows where it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Is, okay, like whatever, Like I don't get it. I
don't get that either.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Well, Claus, help us.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
I was gonna say, as one of the two raven
Claws on this panel, I that's an adventure. That's not
out of curiosity, that's an adventure. I'm not up for
an adventure. I'm going to stay at home and read
my books with my kiddies.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
And I feel like there's no point, there's nothing you
really gained. I mean they don't know that it would
help them find defeat Dumbledore, I mean Dumbore Bvoldemore. But
it's like, why would I look for that when I
can just read my book with my cat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah, that's an adventure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Sorry, I'm too guffin door because my little my little
brain went to that Indiana Jones. Let's go like fame
and glory, Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And glory, Like, what do you mean? It can't be lost.
It has to be somewhere, So it's gotta be somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Yeah, Listen, if anybody were to ever find that, it
wouldn't be a raven.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Claw, okay, because I'd be like, I want to be
the clever Like my thought was the Raven Club, being
like I want to be the clever one who like
tracks it down and like finds the secret hidden information
that shows us where it's at But okay, maybe that's
me think.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
I mean, that is your pride and glory and yeah,
all of your.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Things speaking, I could see wanting to find out where
it is just by the riddle of it all, but
to actually go and do it now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
I'm going to get it, like what to prove that
it's not like it's lost. No, it's not. I can
find it. Like so here, Allison and I are going
on our little quest. We're going to get it, y'all
are reading.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
And Indiana Jones time, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
We will hold down your whips. We will admire it
when it ends up in a museum once you find
out exactly how about that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
It belongs no museum, do you Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
But yeah, this moment, this next moment is fantastic. They're
talking about the diadom and and uh, you know, Luna's
going off about the the raxpurts or whatever, and here
is like, shut up, Luna, I love you. And then
Joe was like, oh, there's she's wearing one in the
bus that's in the raven clock Cormer room. Harry, do
you want to go like like you can almost hear

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she's like batting her eyelashes.

Speaker 8 (01:18:17):
Adamy's like, Luna, take it right, Luna, And I love
how Luna's like, yes, I will way to be a
girl's girl, Luna.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
We love this also, Ginny like, what you're worried about, girl,
What you're worried about?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Girl? Listen, she hasn't seen her man for far too long.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
And she's goings not today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Yeah, She's like no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I also love that Luna, like all the Raven Claws
are pretty much sitting in one spot, but Luna is
like sitting on the edge of Jenny's chair and they're
just chilling together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
I love that best friendship. It's so cute.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
It is so cute. So they head on their way.
They leave, they like head up the pathway or whatever
to the little cabinet. It's a cabinet, right, I think
they call it the cabinet that has the hidden door
that will get them out to Hogwarts. And I just
wanted to say, the two of them step out. They've
got the cloak for book one, the map for book three,

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and Harry's got Luna from book five.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
That's all I'm just saying. It's a little bit of
a little bit of you know, and those were like
the quote unquote good years at Hogwarts too, So like,
you know, he's taking everything with him that's precious.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
But I also love I mean, because this is really
the beginning of once they get back to Hogwarts, here
we start getting those callbacks and droves, right, Yeah, and
so it is kind of the beginning of here comes
every single callback from every single book that you can
think of. Basically, we're just gonna start piling them on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
We're gonna start wrapping it up. We're wrapping it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Yeah, here comes the battle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I pulled this comment, so this is not an original question.
I pulled it from the throwbacks. A lot of people
asked it, so I didn't want to credit it to
one person. However, Harry specifically mentions as they're creeping through
that they he's listening really hard for Peeves because they
don't want to run into Peeves. One is Peeves even
still in the castle? I mean he is because we
see him at the battle, but like what is he

(01:20:15):
he he cannot be being treated well under the death theater,
or maybe he's just become a menace because they're like
do whatever that they want. I don't care, but well,
he's probably gotten stronger with all the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Like, yeah, the chaotic energy, yeah, but and fear.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
A lot of the commenters pontificated if Harry was afraid
of finding Peeves because Peeves can see through the invisibility cloak.
And I thought that was a very interesting question because
it is a hello. It is a hello. And I
tried to think if there was any proof of Peeves
or Harry running into Peeves when he's under the cloak,

(01:20:54):
and I without doing the research, I didn't do the research.
I couldn't think of any that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Well, there's not, because we actually we do have one
that that proves it's not, because there's the one time
they run into him under the cloak, and Harry says,
the bloody Baron has his own reasons for these and
they pretend like they're the bloody Baron to get him
to leave him alone. And so I think it's more
so obviously he can't see because if he could see

(01:21:23):
through it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Then he would have he would have known.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
So so Peeves can't see through it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
But I just think it's the it's the possibility because
I think Peeves could hear them all because in that yeah,
and because in that in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
That moment that one I just mentioned, he does hear
them because he's like, I can hear you, right like,
are you ghosty or Goblin or we student Beastie right like?
And so I think it's more of just if we
run into Peeves, he's gonna cause chaos, he's going to
cause noise, and he's going to try and block our
way and we cannot do that right now, right, So
I think it's more of that. Then he could see

(01:22:01):
them makes sense because he can't see them. That's been proven.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
It makes sense. I forgot about that bloody Barren moment so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Good until right then I was sitting there. I was like,
is there?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
And I was like, and you pulled the quote right
out of thin air. That was impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Peeves's quotes are funny because they rhyme.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Also, you know my brain, I have the weirdest things
in my brain that I remember, and I don't remember
what I did five minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
So it's okay, I get it. My mother can't remember
how to attach things to an email, but she could
tell you what happened in nineteen seventy nine at at
three o'clock, So I get it. I get it. So
they make it to the Ravenclaw Eagle Knocker and they
get the riddle which comes first the Phoenix or the Flame,

(01:22:52):
and Harry's like, wait, there's not a password, and I
was like, oh, well, you have answer the riddle and
he's like, what do you mean, I do not have
time for this. I'm sorry, But.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Do you think Luna would have answered the knocker differently
if Harry hadn't been like, we're in a hurry, right,
like say something?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Hm?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
I feel like if you were using it to get to,
you know, and to go between classes, he would also
try to be a faster about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah, And that seems like one of those answers that
could work for several questions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
It's a non answer, I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Mean, yes it is. I mean mcgonagall's that comes up
in the next chapter is also a non answer, although
it is one of my favorite sayings into nothing, which
is to say, or into non being, which is to
say into everything, or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
I mean, I do like Luna's too, right, like a
circle has no beginning. Yeah, which is also kind of
sweet because earlier I just saw of this earlier in
the book, right we have they see Luna's ceiling where
she has all her She's painted all her friends, and
she has a circular chain around them all, so almost
like their circle of friendship has no beginning really either,

(01:24:06):
no beginning and no end.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Adorable.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
I love her.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Okay, there are very there are a lot of precious
moments in this chapter, for sure. But you know, and
I know we've talked about this on here too, and
I know Tracy and I agree on this that we
are both terrible at riddles and would be sitting outside
that room like late for class, somebody let me in.
I wonder if you could just open it from the
other side. Can you just like open it from the

(01:24:33):
other side and like let people in?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Probably, Okay, just leave it open all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
That's that's so unfortunate. Yeah, just sitting there waiting like that,
that would be so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, yeah, Tracy and I, yes,
we agree, that would be terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Could I get a password? So, because I'm a gryffin door,
I don't have to worry about that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Well, we're smarter than you. But we get into the
common room and this was such a beautiful moment for
so many readers. Sorry hufflepuffs, sorry, but such a beautiful
moment because we finally get to see, you know, this,
this beautiful blue and light and airy and windows everywhere

(01:25:22):
and at you know, just gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous sunroom.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I will say it's beautiful. Yeah, all got lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
All of the renderings that I've ever seen of it
are just like, build me a turret so that I
can live in that, please, please, and thank you. And
Harry goes up and he looks at the bus and
he's looking at the Diadem and he says, oh, it's
not unlike the tiara the floor wor to her wedding.
And I wanted to ask you all, do you remember

(01:25:50):
when the prevailing theory was that Auntie Muriel's tiara was
the Diadem? Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I do remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I don't, but that is quite genius, actually.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yeah, because the it was you know, it's old, it's
goblin made, it's been around for centuries, like it's loss.
It was a huge it's loss, but really it's been
sitting there the whole time. Yeah, it was a huge,
huge thing because people were like what is what? What
point does Flora have to the story otherwise, basically like

(01:26:24):
she was introduced specifically to bring the tiara slash diadem
into Harry's sort of atmosphere. So Allison's not buying it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
No, because I'm just like, why does that? Why does
she have to have a point to be there?

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Like misogyny, that's why exactly. That's what I was like, Yeah, no,
that's why. But he reads it. Harry reads it and
it says wit beyond to measure is man's greatest treasure.
And then all of a sudden, a voice behind him says,
which makes you pretty skint witless?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
And I have to say I laugh a little bit
every time because it's like Harry turns around and he
falls off the plane smooth, like it's a serious moment,
but it's also just really funny to just picture him
being like because.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
If you were in the room, you'd laugh smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
But the which makes you pretty skint witless, that's not
actually part of it, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Okay, that's saying like, right, because man's greatest treasure. If
you have wit, skint means like you have no money, right, right,
you have no treasure? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Like you're poor, so that's yeah, right, like if that's
your greatest treasure, you're poor and stupid dummy exactly, ary
wit dumb dumb, You're dumb dumb, Yeah, which is ironic.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
It's pretty ironic, but.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
It is pretty ironic. But that's it. I mean, like
we said, short chapter, quick chapter, lots of action, tons
of beautiful character moments. It's a really it's a really
nice it's a really nice chapter.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
And it really is it's our transition into this final
this kind of like final act of this book, right
where it's you we're back at.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Hogwarts, breaks loose and it gets real.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Real is the calm before the storm. I mean maybe
a little bit, right, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
It's it's the it's the stepping off point into that
that final final.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Battle, because the next chapter is the sacking of several
Snape right y.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Which we just didn't I feel like I remember talking
about it recently.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Probably probably the way our random chapters ended up being
was like not where we are not totally random?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
What? No, Like I I don't I never remember where
we are? Like what did we just talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Ye? Anyway, friends, our next episode, we are going way
back way back, all the way back, all the way
back to chapter.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Sixth Visit to Good Going to Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Yes, the first visit cha last arrival of Hogwarts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
This is our first sure, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
It's almost like we planned it, but we didn't. Chapter
six of Sorcerer's Stone Philosopher's Stone, the journey from platform
nine and three quarters. What a jump that's going to
be from this to that. Yeah, going to be amazing though,
can't wait all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
If you want to keep up with us until then,
if you didn't know by now, you can follow us
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Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Make sure you're following our Instagram because next week from
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Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Heay, can't wait for that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
And with that, this has been episode sixty six of
the final one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
I'm Shamani, I'm Kat, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Tracy, and I'm Alison.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Thank you for listening to episode four hundred and sixty
six of Alomra. There's a few more people coming through
abs so make sure you open the double door.

Speaker 9 (01:30:22):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Catherine Lewis. Alohamra was co created by Noah
Freed and Kat Miller and is brought to you by ap.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
W B d LLC.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
I'm sorry, I was gonna go on my two people
that have really loved Lord of the Rings that I've known,
I've not had good endings in that relationship with.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Oh no for me, Oh no, that's a bummer anyway. Anyway, Indeed,
so they get to the Room of Requirement and everybody's
hang on, how are these organized?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
I don't know because you did this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
I didn't do this. I put my notes in first,
and you all put notes around it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Oh, I thought you're okay. I tried to arrange it. Okay, whatever,
it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Hang on, I just take a second and take a
bite of my sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Yep, go ahead. I just don't want to like get
into the thing until we're into Yeah. I no, you're
right the thing, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
I think that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Yeah, I don't remember what the last thing was that
I said, But why don't you just jump into because
I think I said something like yeah, they get into
you know, I don't know. Just go for it.

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