PS/SS, 6 Revisit: Unintentional Muggles

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is episode four hundred and sixty seven of Aloha
Mora for August thirtieth, twenty twenty five. Welcome, welcome to

(00:39):
another episode of Aloha Mora, The Phantom's original Harry Potter
Book Club. I'm Semani Willis.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm Josh Cook, and I'm Jeff Hutton and our special
guest for this episode today, wearing a very stylish Herbology
T shirt. By the way, is Andy of Andy's Spectacular Corner. Hello, Andy,
y Show.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you for having me Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Have you ever been with us on the show before.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
No, this is the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh well, welcome. Thank you for choosing to spend this
time with us. We can't wait to hear what you
have to say about this chapter. Since this is your
first time, why don't you go ahead and give us
your fandom, I D your house, petronas wand whatever whatever
you want us to know about you.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Okay, So I think Andre, but everyone calls me Andy,
and I'm a raven crow through and through. It really
messes me like I have a massive collection of books
and my patronus is actually it's a borzoi. It's a
type of a dog. It's like the w take with

(01:44):
you for hunting. But like in British English is borzois
the kind of for sure. I had to google it
because I didn't know, and I discovered it very very cool. Yeah,
and uh that my favorite subject is that fintly care
of magical features. I think I have a bit of
young ha Hagrid in me, you know, besides the rook

(02:07):
with the hair and the build and everything. I really
just love everything that it's magical features. And then the
second favorite is Viga Nation one. I perspent everything, astrology,
Phillips three being palmistry. It just has something that astucts me.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
We do, we do get a bit of Hagrid in
the chapter we're talking about today, so he kind of
comes in at the end.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Though. What's your favorite book in the series.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, favorite book?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I will let you in like I will long
story short. Had it tried several times to enter my life,
which is very weird. Firstly tried when I was young
and I was like no, I don't you know, I
don't want to read it. I read five chapter I
was like no. And then later on Mum bought me
something and it was with Harry Potter and I was like,

(02:57):
this is weird. I kept it the journals and then
I was watching the first movie on and on, you know,
all the time and nothing. And then when The How
Blood Things came out, I put to the first two
chapters is I didn't even know about you know, the rest,
like I did know the story and everything, and it

(03:20):
just caught me and I was like, Mom, I think
I need to buy all the books right now, like
right now. Luckily, one of my best friends was a
massive Herry Porter fan, and I went to her place
and had rooms, you know, and then she introduced me
to the world and she had this book that was
like a guide to the world of Hery Porter, and
I just got so much into it. But The How

(03:41):
Blood Things was the book that started it all, and
that's my favorite book as well. I just love that
we get to find out so much about all the
most past and it really goes very deep into the
character building. So yeah, I think that's pretty much like
it's an amazing thing to know how to do. I
love writing myself, and I don't mind world buildings that

(04:05):
I have big issues with character developing and character writing.
I find it very hard to write the character and
I don't know why even describing them interesting hard.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I relate to that because my big block when it
comes to especially with all the fantasy literature that I consume.
You think I would have gotten a handle on this,
but learning character names, especially when I'm watching like the
adaptations of the things that I read. You would think
I would figure out how to memorize character names. But no, no,
we just started on squid games. I can't. I have

(04:41):
to give names to all the characters. Because I can't,
I need to give the numbers. They hardly say their
names at all.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Ye if yeah, femal will offer you to read a
book together, it becomes a lot of the.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Person that did that thing? What's there? You know? You
know who I'm talking about the name?

Speaker 5 (05:00):
I don't know their name if they did the same
though not yet, like yeah, with the names.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Like I don't mind, but really like when it's coming,
it comes to like describing them, like even Okay, that
person had I don't know short hair, was tolen and
so on, and I don't know why I find it
happened And when we get the personalities don't happen. But
I guess because BS people we are kind of complex,
so it's not really easy. That's why, for example, C. S.
Lewis never characterized any of the places like don't you

(05:29):
know that the dead names? You know, the and so on, Ina,
But it's not really described very much into details about
how they are really so I know that this is
some some of the like particular thing about Maya.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Huh. I never actually noticed that before. I think I
need to go back and reread it now from that perspective,
that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, And I'll tell you, Grace Candido Beacher is going
to be pleased as punch when she hears note that
you love half Blood Prints because of Voldemort's backstory. Because
because Tommy Riddle is her number one trash boy, she.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Absolutely loves him.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
She calls him Tommy trash boy.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yes to me, the trash boy I was.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
I don't think I was on the episode when we
first called him a trash boy.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yes, it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Oh my, all right.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
You know what else is really cool to go back
and reread it is a Philosopher's Stone or Sorcerer's Stone,
Chapter six, the Journey from Platform nine and three quarters,
which is what we're going to talk about today. This
chapter was originally covered all the way back on episode
number two from.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
May of twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
It was taught It actually covered three chapters four or
five and six, and the name of the episode was
Vernon Dursley Wizard. So go back and listen to that
find out why they thought maybe Vernon was a wizard.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Possibly, I don't know, he's not sure, wondering.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
The hosts on that were Noah, Cat, Caleb, and guest Meg.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
So go back and listen to that episode. I'm sure
that it is. Uh, it is a good time.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh the days when we were covering more than one
chapter per episode, can you imagine it?

Speaker 4 (07:19):
It stopped pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, because even for even for chapters in this first book,
where the chapters are maybe a little bit on the
shorter side, this chapter is kind of one of the
longer ones.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
Actually this is Yeah, this is the long one, like
thirty eight minutes on the on the audiobook.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
But you would hope that because you know, we'll get
into it. But this is the first time we go
onto the iconic platform and see the train and travel
to the place where most of the stuff happens. You
would want, you know, that bit of world building to
be Yeah, you want that to be a little bit longer,
take a little bit more time, right the platform.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
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Speaker 6 (09:00):
Return should do it chapter revisit soror chapter six platform
non and free quarters.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, so check it Harry spends a whole month being invisible,
which is funny if you think about it. He asks
for a ride to the train station the night before
he's supposed to go to his new school and gets
met with a bunch of attitude and offensive jokes. His
relatives abandon him in a train station as far as
they know, and then the day is saved by the

(09:50):
magic of eavesdropping, which is how Harry meets his real family.
Though Weasley's Harry walks through a wall because magic is
fun and definitely makes sense, which gets him onto the
namesake of this chapter, Platform nine and three quarters. Fred
and George blow Harry's cover, and Harry learns that maybe
eavesdropping isn't so fun after all. The Weasley's gossip about

(10:14):
him behind his back or possibly under his nose because
he's up on a train. It's complicated. After Fred and
George promise in front of their mother to vandalize a
school bathroom, the kids are off to school. Ron and
Harry become besties, Neville loses his beastie bestie. Hermione bests
both boys with a display of magic and knowledge, and

(10:34):
Draco tries and fails to bully Harry and Ron after
trying and failing to befriend Harry by bullying Ron. And
when they get to school, a voice tells them to
ditch their stuff. Don't get used to that because it
will never happen again. And the first year students take
a boat trip separate from the other students because wizards
can't resist showing off. And this is how you introduce

(10:56):
magical children to their new home away from home by
singling them out wow, and discuss.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
A lot happens here like wow.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Like I like I said, you you want this chapter
to be one of the longer chapters you need.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
That must have been, like there was so much happening,
Like of course there was that mom which I think
it was kind of hard for him being completely left
on the side after he was marginalized, but not as
much I would say.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
The start of the chapter, starting out with Harry just
basically being treated like he's invisible, is one of those
things where you're like, is this better or worse than
what he was getting before? Like you know, they say
any publicity is good publicity, Like is any attention really

(11:55):
good attention? Or would you rather be ignored?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Harry goes his literal his entire life, not wanting any
of the publicity, but getting all of the publicity. That's
kind of his entry point into this universe, which is
you know, what I would think would be what he
remembers about this moment, Like in the moment he's probably doing,

(12:21):
he's probably questioning it, just like you said, like is
this really better? Because on the one hand, they're not
bullying me or making me do stuff, but at the
same time, it's like I don't exist. But then he
would think, you know, when he looks back on this moment,
especially considering where he's going to be one year from now,

(12:43):
where they're putting bars on his windows and feeding him
through a cat flap and not letting him leave and
telling him he's never he's probably going to look back
on this time and say, you know, there was a
time where I was walking around here being invisible and
I didn't even have to put on a cloak. Starting
to miss that, Yah.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean Harry even calls that out, Like the
last sentence of that paragraph of the first paragraph is like,
while being treated as if I'm invisible, maybe in improvement,
it did start to get him like depressing after a while.
So even Harry struggling was like, would I'd rather be
treated poorly or poorly?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean? And maybe also the fact that you know,
like in a year from now, he also has everything
hidden in the cover and the states. Right, so now
this period he was able to, you know, to go
through all the books that he bought, and he never
knew about you all the magic and stuff and so on.
But then I yes, so now he was not even

(13:42):
able to do his homework because everything was locked away.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's like high key. My favorite part of the chapter
is the fact that Harry is so interested in reading
his books. Yeah, he doesn't have any, he doesn't have
Eddie Hobert yet, which just proves that Harry is destined
to become one of those Harry actually reminds me of me.
If I was told to read a book for an

(14:06):
assignment when I was a student, I would not do it.
I could not do it. But if I found a
book that I wanted to read because I wanted to
read it, you couldn't pry it away from my hands.
So at this point, he's reading the books because he
wants to. I think he's also maybe a little bit
like trying to prepare himself for this world because he

(14:26):
got a taste of it, a very intense taste of it,
over one day, and now he's thinking, Okay, I'm going
to be living in this world now, and people obviously
know everything about me, and I don't know anything about
them apart from what I've seen on this one field
trip that I took to a very specific place. Maybe

(14:47):
I should try to figure out how to be a
wizard before I go to school to learn how to
be a wizard.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
So we think that that's the motivating factor. He wants
to learn about the world, and because it's something new,
he's interested. Because when I was reading this, I was
thinking about do we ever get any information about Harry
and Muggle school? And I know he tells Hagrid, you
know he knows like math and stuff, but do we

(15:15):
ever get like information I guess on how Harry is
as a student.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean just a little bit. I mean, one
we know Harry in the series. He's not a he's
not a great student, but like.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
He's intelligent and he does get hogmarchs. Now, when I
guess when as a it's it's early in this in
this book. I mean, it's one of the first chapters
when Hagrid is talking to the Dursleys and like giving
Harry his like card.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
For Hogwarts or his letter Hogwarts.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
When Hagrid realizes that Harry doesn't know anything about his parents.
I think he says something about, well, you don't know anything,
and he's like, well, I think that's a little harsh.
I do know some I know some things.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, I can do math and stuff.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, And then Harry, Harry says his marks
weren't bad, like he wasn't getting bad dreads in school
at least.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
He just got into trouble because you know, the weird
things you were doing, like when they go back to
his memories, like when Hagrid is like, haven't you ever
done something you know, unexplicable, something that you know when
you were in danger or your self threatened, And then
you know, it's like to explain when he just the
wings to him and to him on the school and

(16:33):
stuff like this. So he got into trouble for stuff
like this. But I think that as a student probably
to be like that normal kind of student. Of course,
not her mind because her mine is.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Her mind is not normal. But so it seems like
this is the case that it's kind of like, Jeff, oh,
let me learn all the things that I can because
I want to, not because somebody is telling me to.
So I'm guessing that that's probably why I, he and
Ron are so bad at schoolwork, well not bad at
school work, but they're so resistant to doing their school

(17:06):
work later is because they're being told to do it.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
See. I was wondering about that too, because I somehow
never really thought about this before. And this might be
an American thing, but I remember there were a lot
of times when I was growing up where we would
be asked to write an essay or we would be
asked to write a book report, but we would be
given a very broad assignment. We would say, like, write

(17:31):
an essay about what you want to be when you
grow up, or we want you to read a book
about a dragon, and you write about Those are just
things I'm coming up with off the top of my head.
But the point is they would allow us some latitude
in what we actually choose as the subject for what

(17:52):
we're writing. But every time we hear about an assignment
at Hogwarts, they're being told. They're not just being told
choose your favorite component from a potion and write an
essay about why it's important. They're saying the properties of
moonstone and its uses in potion making. So they're being
given very specific topics for their assignments. They're being told

(18:12):
what to read, what spells to practice. They're not given
any kind of latitude as far as you know, how
they engage with the subject. They're told exactly what they
have to learn.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well, and what makes that hard to do? Like anything
with is that then that doesn't that doesn't give the
student any leeway to like, oh, maybe I am interested
in this over here, let me go find this out.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
It's hey, we're telling you what you have to be
interested in.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, because in the end, you know, when it's about
the we have no problem in the library, and you
know they really have no issue. But then when they
are given the assignment write about this ingredients or write
as long as say about the way, well, then they

(18:59):
haven't barely gone to do it.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Actually, imagine from like a teacher perspective, though, that method
has got to be pretty boring for them because there's
only so many ways you can write on the same subject,
so everyone's pretty much writing the same thing. So they're
reading the same thing over and like, that's got to be.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I feel like maybe what we don't know about the
Hogwarts Library, Like we know it's big and it's full
of books, but I think we're meant to assume that
it is full of many different books, when in fact
it is probably about fifty books, and there's maybe hundreds

(19:49):
of copies of each of these fifty books. Because I mean,
think about it. The only time we ever really get
like a specific indication of that kind of thing is
in the next book when Hermione says all the copies
of Hogwarts of History are checked out, but she doesn't
say how many there are. But I'm also thinking, if
you expect an entire class full of students to read

(20:12):
a book that was not given on their book list
at the top of the term, then that means X
number of students are all expected to go to the
same library and get different copies of the same book
because they're all supposed to read it. So there again
you have everybody has to learn the exact same things.

(20:34):
It's all incredibly standardized and specific. There's no leeway.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
That that's that is interesting.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
I don't I don't recall a specific time where a
book that wasn't on the book list was called out
to use.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
But I definitely, I definitely think that there are more.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Than more than one copy of of whatever book because
of exactly what you said.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, well, well there there there are a couple, like
she doesn't mention exactly what they are, but there's one
point where Hermione's listing off how many assignments she has.
She indicates several books and she says, I have to
read all these by Wednesday. And there is one point
where for Flitwick's class, they have to read a book

(21:19):
called Quintessence a Quest whatever.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
That is so.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Very very occasionally we get these these these hints that
they're supposed to be reading books apart from what they're assigned,
which to me just kind of calls into question, why
are you giving them these books on their book list
before the term starts but not these other ones. But
Harry's got all the books that he needs for now,

(21:44):
I would think at this.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Point, Yeah, it's interesting because I remember like when we
would do book reports, you know, in school, and like
this age it was you went to the library and
everybody picked a different book and you did a book
report on whatever book you picked, you know, so that's
that is that is different. I was never I guess
I never really thought of it like that.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
But maybe they also have like novels. You know. I
think that the VISITABI worlds should be like an you know,
they can go in some necessarily be like, I don't know,
this is an encyclopedia like one thousand Magical herb and Phony. Right, Okay,
maybe they have like no fifty copies of that because
at some point they will all get the assignment to
write about the plant that is there. But I think

(22:25):
that they also have some other like novels. I would say,
probably there's some way that decided to write something.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
When when you when you said that there's like novels
in the Hogwarts library, all I could think is like,
what if you can have the same book in a
Hogwarts library that would be a nonfiction book, and then
they could be in a Muggle library under fantasy or fiction.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and you could do it the other way around too,
you could. I would think that if if I I'm
the professor teaching Muggle studies, one of the things I'm
definitely going to cover is these are the kind of
books that you grew up reading because you're a magical child.
These are the kinds of books that British Muggles end

(23:15):
up reading as they're great, like this is, this is
and and that's how I would, you know, actually try
to incorporate some of what I was just talking about,
is this is an example of a popular book in
the magical world. I'm going to give you a list
of popular works of fiction in the muggle world. Choose one,

(23:36):
Read it and tell me how it compares.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Bim.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it does the job. But it gives the kids
some you know, a little bit of room to choose
for themselves what they're going to find stimulating.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
For example, study Empires and then will be okay, so
we know how muggles in the Empires to check. Well,
you know Twilight.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
We have done it. We have inserted Twilight into the
magical universe. Obviously, Harry's not going to read it because
Harry's you know, gone from Hogwarts and Voldemort's defeated before
Twilight was published. But that's beside the point about that.
You can do it now, there's something wrong with me,
See I tell you like and read the minds.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Can you think there's something wrong with you?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (24:30):
I don't have the strength to stay away from you anymore, don't.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, before we can read any books, we have to
actually get to Hogwarts, guys. So the thing that came
up for me when Harry goes to ask his uncle
uh the night before for a ride, he says that
they have to go to London anyway to take Dudley

(24:59):
to the hospital to get the tail removed. And the
thing that occurred to me was, what in the world
did they tell the doctors about this tale? Now I
will preface this with in this lovely book here everyone
can see it. So her Lovely Companion. We do find
out that from an interview they actually told the staff
a wart had gotten out of control. But if we

(25:21):
didn't know that, what would you think he told he
told the doctors.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Surely skin tag skin Yeah, but it's rather big though.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well yeah, well, see that seems to be a bit
of a thing with the you know, I trying for
a moment to set aside the author's you know, tendency
to associate people of a certain size with badness. But
the Dursley's, like especially Vernon and Dudley, the way they're

(25:53):
described they seem to kind of push the limits of
the human physique, and most of the time we just
think of them as being particularly heavy in that regard.
But I would think that it's not entirely outside the
realm of possibility that they would have some kind of

(26:13):
vestigial appendage that needs to be taken off at some point,
because Vernon definitely strikes me as the kind of guy
who would have something weird going on with his medical chart,
but he's going to try to ignore it because he
doesn't want to go to the doctor. Because Vernon Dursley's
definitely one of those guys. He's the guy who will
make any excuse not to go to the doctor, in

(26:35):
spite of the fact that he might be one of
the only guys on the block who can actually afford
to go to the doctor. He just doesn't want to
hear all the other stuff the doctor's going to find
wrong with him, Like, yes, we removed your your son's tail,
but at the same time, we also noticed that your
son has all of these other things. You might want
to consider doing this for his health. And Vernon's going
to say a lot of doctors doesn't know what he's

(26:55):
talking about, and to that end. I think that when
they got this tail removed, I think Vernon Dursley would
have bribed the medical staff to burn the paperwork afterwards,
because he doesn't want any record that they ever had
to do this. Like he he definitely slipped like an
envelope full of cash. Yeah to the to the nurse

(27:19):
has said if you could somehow take my son's chart
and just throw it in the furnace, yeah, we will
be back here.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, maybe they went to some illegal affairs. You also
seek the kind of person that you know, it's up
to front of everything as long as his name remains
impact and so few and he's you.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Know, it was some like back alley place.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, Like he says he's going to the hospital. But
it's maybe because ooh you know what, maybe this is it.
Maybe it's because do you think maybe he just said
out loud they're going to a hospital in case they're
still being spied on. Because they tried running away from Hagrid.
It didn't work, So now they've got this thought in

(28:02):
their heads that wizards can follow them everywhere and are
watching their every move. They only care about Harry. They
don't care about Dudley. But still now that they know
they're being watched, that I think is why they've been
ignoring Harry because they're they're they're scared of them, so
they're trying to mind their p's and q's until they
figure out what is going to get a giant to

(28:23):
knock down their door the next time. Oh oh, yes,
we're taking our son to the hospital. Everything is fine.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Can we just point out that Shamany started talking about
a wart and then Jeff said skin tag and Shalmaney said,
it's way. It's awful big for a skin tag, so
it's helpful, big.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
For a wart. What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
That's true, that's very true. I mean I have no
experience with either, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it's got the little springy on the end.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, whenever it becomes a magical pigtail, that's that's where
it's a little.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Funky ool.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
But you know what, what does happen that is pretty
normal though, is that Harry is procrastinating on asking or
preparing to leave to go anywhere. He asked Vernon to
take him to King's Cross the day before he needs
to go, which is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's so wild.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, it's like you have to get to the train
you have to get to the train station tomorrow and
SHAWMANI I'm glad you pointed this out because I did
not realize this. They're three and a half hours from
the train station.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah all right, Yeah, I've only recently noticed this, and
I was like, wait a minute, because when they start
talking about what time Harry woke up, and then what
time they left, and then what time they actually arrived,
I was like, wait a minute, that's a long trip.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Just as a point of comparison, a few days after
we're recording this, I'm going to be at Enchantacan in
Saint Louis with a whole lot of people, and that's
about how far it is to drive from where I
live to Saint Louis. It's it's a four hour drive
from here to to the Saint Louis airport.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, I mean the traffic in London is really so
I think like she really wanted to be very specific
and it really takes a lot of time from London
to central London to Surrey. Really yeah. Yeah, yeah, I
mean I used to work in central London and I
lived in London. I took two hours by that. Oh wow,
the traffic is just Wyoh.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I never realized. Well, now we know.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yeah, I just mapped it from Surrey to London. Now
it says it says about an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, so with traffic in the morning, Shaman is not going.
I'm not absolutely not no, But I do think it's
sweet that Harry is up so early in the morning

(31:04):
and he's so excited and it's probably like Christmas for him,
and he gets up and gets all of his stuff
ready to go and he's just sitting there waiting for
everybody else to wake up, and I think it's really cute.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Well, he's even like marking the day off or right,
like he's checking the days off before going to school,
not like the day's left of school. He's marking days
off before he goes to school, which is really like,
I don't know, it's just fun. It's fun to see
a kid get excited about.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's like waiting for the books to be released. Right
of the movies. It was the same, like we were
checking off the picks one day he had the next
adventure is going to be on. So I don't think
I would just sleep like a you know, finding out
that's such a magical world and everything.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, well, in the movie, it's kind of implied. I
think that Hagrid comes to pick up Harry, takes him
to diagon Alley, they spend like one night at I
assume the Leaky Cauldron because they're having dinner very late
at night in what looks like a pub. And then

(32:11):
the next scene, after Hagrid says you're the boy who lived,
is them at the train station. So to me, it's
implied that Harry goes to school on the train the
next day and Hagrid's actually the one to drop him off,
which got me thinking, if I'm Hagrid, I'm gonna be

(32:32):
kind of bugging Dumbledore about this and saying, Hey, I
told Harry he could write to me if he needed to,
but he hasn't. And I'm just kind of wondering, do
we really like they tried to take him to a
hut on a rock in the middle of the sea
just to keep him from finding out the truth and
getting his letter? Do we really expect these to be

(32:54):
the people who are going to get him to that
train station on time. Also, by the way, we haven't
told him how to get.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
We'll get we'll get there. We're all I know about that.
But I mean, Jeff, you're right, I mean okay, So if.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
If Dudley didn't have a tail, does Harry get to
go to King's Cross? Probably not, Like I don't think
they're gonna go out of their way to drop him
off at King's Cross. So like what happens if the
if the Dursley say no, we're not taking you.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well, I think like maybe mispeak. We know she's dead,
like since the very beginning, because there was something yeah
to her, but he didn't like it because she had
a lot of cats and everything and the cake was
always fasting funny uh and in the you know, in
the Door of the Phni, it's even mentioned that Harry

(33:54):
when she when he asked me to speak, like why
didn't you tell me earlier that you know all about
this and you're known, and she said, well, if they
would know you would like it, they would not allow
you to come. So maybe she's spying from the very
beginning right on everything, So they should be like, okase,
you know, thanks for the boy to leave to go
for school, but there is no move once you know,

(34:17):
no one is eaving.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, this is a good point. That's a really good point.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I like it, Andy, Andy crackt It, and Missus figg
is on the case. At first, I would have thought
this would have been the moment where Harry remembers, Oh,
Hagrid said I could send him a letter by owl
if there was an emergency, and maybe that's what he's
doing the night before, if he asked Uncle Vernon for
a ride and Uncle Vernon said no. But then I

(34:41):
also remembered that a few books down from this one,
he was supposed to use that mirror to get in
touch with his godfather if something ever happened and he
didn't do that. Yeah, he had a lot more going
on by that point in his life than he does
right now. But still there is ample evidence that Harry
he forgets stuff like.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
That well, and especially by that point, I mean, Harry
has at least some experience with being able to trust
some of the adults in his life. At this point,
he has no experience with trusting anybody. So I I
think that he would have thought about sending an out
to Hagrid, But I don't know if he would have,

(35:23):
because I don't know how much Harry actually expects Haggard
to help because he doesn't expect anyone to help if
he needs help. Okay, so let's let's actually get to
King's Cross. Now. They do end up taking him spoiler,
he makes it. The Dursleys take him.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
And they also just like dropping him off.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
They don't know if he actually can get on the
train or not, because they're just yeah, because they're laughing
about the platform nine and three quarters and they laugh
as they drive away.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Which what yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And by the way, why did Harry tell them that?
I know that Harry is he's a young and this
is his first time stepping into this world. I get that,
But still, at this point, the Dursleys have never given
him any reason to think that they are safe people
to tell information to, and they obviously think all this
magic stuff is dangerous nonsense. Why would he even name

(36:20):
the platform he's supposed to get on? Just tell them
what time you have to be at the train station.
Of course, even then, we don't know that they wouldn't
have just shoved him out of the car. They since
he mentioned the platform number, they brought him inside. And
it even mentions it in the book. Uncle Vernon is
being nice and putting his luggage on the cart and

(36:42):
wheeling it into the station for him. But it's just
so he can turn around and make this big show
of well, here you are, this platform is imaginary. Have
fun at your magic school. And they're laughing as they
drive away from Harry.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I feel like he doesn't have a whole lot of
experience with the train station. Maybe his first time at
the train station, so maybe he didn't know that they're
not numbered like that, so he just said it and
not knowing that it sounded ridiculous. Yeah, And my thing
about the whole thing and them driving off, why has
Hogwarts not sent somebody to meet him.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Like yeah, or even all first year students who have
never like, he's not the only like you have. You
have people like Hermione. They can't take it for granted
that Hermione has already learned everything in Hogwarts a history.
You are the only children. Yeah, they're not the only children.
Somebody should be there to keep an eye out for

(37:38):
all of the muggle Born children who have no idea
how to get through a Platcorse for that matter, How
did Hermione get through the platform onto the train, How
did Dean get through the platform on to the train.
How like how how how how did they.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Know Dean's mom is a witch?

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Sorry it was instead he's dad. Sorry okay, so okay,
so sorry, yeah those my fault.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, sorry, sorry, I thought Dean was a muggle Born.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
It's all the same case, right, So, like I talk
a lot about how I think that the like the
underage wizard, like the underage magic use like in houses,
like well, the trace, the trace in general is a
is a systematic, systematically racist law because they can't trace

(38:27):
who did the magic.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
They just know that magic happened.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
So like, really, when Hagrid performed magic on the island,
the trace should have been triggered then because it was
underage magic. Now they the ministry would have let it
go because Harry would have never had had never gone
to Hogwarts. But like all of the things here, like
the letter that gets sent to muggle borns, you're not

(38:54):
helping muggle borns here, you're giving them.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
You're giving them.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
The information that that people in the world know and understand,
but no one has any idea.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
And Jeff, to.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Your point, how did her mind they get on the platform?
How how could she is there a book that says
this is how you get onto the platform book it's
especially what do you think it was unlikely?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Maybe it's in Hogwarts of History, like I would imagine
there's a chapter in there about how they actually got
the train and started using it and other methods of
getting the kids to the school. But apart from that,
I can't I can't see them writing a whole book
just about the train.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean she yeah, she mentioned at some point a book.
I don't know. They were talking. I think it's wrong something,
and she said patents they had, How could they know that?
So it feels that they are completely unaware, or maybe
they just got cut by someone as well, So it
seems yeah, unlikely. And to just how other people arrived

(39:57):
there because there are so many, right, there's so many kids,
and Harry just met the Weasley that was it on
the platform. There was no one else. He met everyone
else on my Natree coaches already, so hurried everyone else.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Well, it's also irresponsible to not like tell how you
get on there, because Harry's walking around essentially like breaking
the statue of secrecy to these muggles, going hey, I'm
looking for this, I'm looking for that have you heard
of Hogwarts?

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Like al yeah, like there's all these things going on.
It's irresponsible on Hogwarts is.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Behalf of hey can we how about you just tell
them how to go so we don't have to ask
a bunch of muggles and potentially, like have one muggle
talk to enough muggle borns over the years that works
at King's Cross put it all together, you know, I
mean it's possible.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
He likes maybe he was like you know what kids
lifestyle from from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I mean, and to your point, like that seems like
a reasonable solution to kind of have a plant in
King's Cross showing students how to get on the platform,
or like some kind of I don't know, welcome crew,
like I don't know for the muggle Borns, like a

(41:27):
student ambassador, like we've talked about this before, some kind
of ambassador comes to your house before you leave for
the train to explain how everything works, like.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
From the letter notes the plasms nine and.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Ten exactly simple.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
So I mean, Seanan, you you had mentioned the plant.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
There is there is a theory that the Weasleys were
the plant for Harry though, you know, I mean that
there's been a theory for years about dumble Door pulling
the strings of Weasley's be here because because there's no
reason for Missus Weasley to be actively telling the students

(42:13):
or like her kids, about platform nine three y quarters
how to go through it.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Like I think she maybe remember she asked for the
number again? Right, she doesn't she ask?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:23):
So like they're Missus Weasley's not dumb, even in book one,
She's not dumb, So like there, I think that feeds
into the when you see the little boy with the
lightning bolt on his forehead, just mentioned nine and three
quarters and just guide him in there, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
So like but they don't know who he is though,
because later when Fred and George find out.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
The kids don't know who he is, Missus Weasley could
know who he is and then play dumb on the
platform when they come over into interesting and.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
He has right they have the initials of their fronts.
I don't think it's mentioned in the book, but in
the movie it's HP there. So you know, when you
look at this, like, okay, HP, how many students? Leporter
is kind of like she would make the connections maybe interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Do you think, Jeff about the theory that Molly knew
who Harry was and that Dumbledore asked her to keep
an eye off for him. Yeah, if that is the case,
which I suppose, I could see, she should get an
award for her acting skills, because she really just because

(43:41):
I'm thinking, I'm more concerned about her using the word
muggles where anybody can hear it. Case in point, Harry
hears it, because that's the trigger word that's packed with muggles.
Of course, Harry hears that and says, ooh, someone who
knows what muggles are. I shall follow this group of people.
And when she gets there, it is telling that she

(44:05):
asks all of them, now, what's the platform number? Because
the only two who have never been through this before
are Jenny and Ron, and Jenny's not going and Genny's
the one to answer. She says, you're not old enough, Jenny,
Now be quiet.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Well, it's not that they haven't gone through it before,
they just haven't gone through it to become a Hogwarts student.
So like the case can be made that they have
done it every single year of their lives.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Noose, I suppose you're right.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
There.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, Genny does go through with her mother and she's
she's standing there looking at the train and that's when
they say they'll send her a toilet seat.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Which okay, so I will step back. You know, Jenny
is nine ten years old here. Yeah, she goes to
Hogwarts next year.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
So like there is a case that.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Missus Weasley is just doing some parenting here of you've
you know what this is, child of mine, like you
have been a part of this.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
We've talked about nine and three quarters before, child of
my child of mine.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
You know, parents, we ask our kids questions that we
know they know the answer to, just to make sure
they know the answer to it, you know what I mean,
Like like we asked, Hey, what house number are we?
You know, like what like what's what's Daddy's like big
person name?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (45:38):
So like they're all in case something happens, they can say, hey,
where's my dad?

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Well that doesn't help anyone, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Right, who's your dad?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
At this point, my son is twenty months old, So
every day I ask him how big he is and
he puts his arms up because he's so big. We
do that because we're just making sure because he's starting
to actually learn what specific things are now so we
just ask him little buzz questions like that so that
we can make sure he can distinguish between when we're

(46:10):
asking him this versus a different thing. But we're not
expecting him to learn his house number at this point.
When it gets there, we'll we'll we'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Okay, I can buy that, because I mean that question.
It's always kind of bothered me because I'm like, ma'am,
why are you at? You have been to Hogwarts? However,
many children of yours before this have been to Hogwarts?
Why are you asking this question? But it makes sense,
So maybe it was a reinforcement exercise for Jenny.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Maybe it was, but because you know, she doesn't reprimand
Jenny for answering the question. It's when Jenny says, Mom,
can't I go that? She says, you're not old enough, Jenny,
now be quiet. She doesn't say that when Jenny's the
one to answer, what's the platform number? So I think
with this fan theory, like with most fan theories, it's

(47:02):
not a question of whether or not you can make
the case for it, because a good Harry Potter scholar
like Josh can make a case for pretty much just
about anything. So the question is do you need this
to be true? And in this case, I like this
theory because it actually demonstrates that there is a greater

(47:23):
amount of care and thought into looking out for Harry
than there might appear to be. So therefore I would
I would find this theory plausible.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
What I find more annoying about it is that it's
more special treatment for Harry whenever other mocal borns are
in the exact same position as.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Harry is in here.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
I don't like the theory, but it's because I'm so
partial to Dumbledore. I think that I think that if
Dumbledore did this, it is a is a check in
a good box for Dumbledore that he needs more growth.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, to kind of branch off of that theory a
little bit, we don't know for certain that this conversation
isn't being staged so that all the muggle Born children
will hear. All we know is that Harry is the
only one to follow the Weasleys and talk to them directly.
We don't know how many other muggle Born children might
be there with their parents, hearing this conversation and seeing

(48:21):
what's going on. Right now, we just know that Harry's
the one to respond directly to it, because this is
a setup. This is Harry being introduced to the people
who are going to become the closest thing to a family.
He's really got.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Well, And we know for sure that Harry really had
zero idea why second her mindy knew or at it
so many teams, So even if she didn't know how
to do it, but she knew about my platform, the platform, right,
but she didn't know how to do it. But then
Harry had neal idea about absolutely anything that happen.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
That's true. Well, either way, it's it's very sweet that
missus Weasley takes Harry under her wing and acts as
the adult motherly figure in this situation and explains to
him what he needs to do.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
The question I have here is because they always say
run if you're nervous, you know, don't stop. What happens
if you do stop? Like, if you get nervous and
you stop short of the barrier, are you just going
to crash into it like they do in Chamber of Secrets?
Are you going to get stuck like halfway through if
you don't have enough momentum, Like what's going to happen?

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Well? Both, that's just something big.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I think, see they obviously this we're talking about the
entrance to the platform where they get on the train
to go to the school, and this is this is
the only time where this really comes up, apart from
when they crash into it, because Dolby seals the gateway,
which isn't supposed to happen. So this is where we're
still getting that fun, whimsical, comical type of magic in

(49:56):
abundance because a lot of the dark, more a gritty
adult stuff hasn't happened yet. So I would imagine what's
going to happen is if you run into the wall
and you stop part way through, then it basically becomes
a kind of elastic where it's like nearly and then
it kind of catapults you backwards and it's like nope,

(50:17):
you got to try again. You got to break through
that bubble.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
So that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
So actually my Samny likes it.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm just I'm picturing it happening.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
My thought is very similar to that, without the dramatics
of it.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
I guess I've kind of always thought that the reason
you do a run or like a you.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Know, have some speed to go in is because you
have to be really committed to want to need to
go to platform nine and three quarters, because we know
muggules can go. Lily's family goes, they're all muggles, they can.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Go to go to the platform.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
So like there's nothing in that barrier that stopsuggles from
going through. So I've always thought that it's a it's
a solid wall that like if a muggle were like
to lean up against the wall and you just to
like take a break in between platforms nine and ten,
that they wouldn't go through because there's not enough force
to go through the magical barrier. So that the reason

(51:18):
you have to like really commit is that you have
to you have to because it's being done with intent.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
But maybe the magic is just with the intent. But
I think that because.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
We're always told that you have to be moving at
a at a pace to go through, I think that
that that has more to do it has more to
do with a force implied onto the magic than it
does anything that way, like if somebody tripped or leaned
up against the wall, they wouldn't just go on the
platform now three quarter by accident.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Well, but I under seeing the chamber of species that
the after you know they pa, it's kind of like blocking,
so basically for the entire it until they come back
to Meslocks and then so obviously nothing's going to happen
for the rest of the year because it's love and
its period. Also, I was thinking that the running, I

(52:11):
always spelt it in a way that it makes so
much sense what you said, because until now I was
thinking of, Okay, well he's running because he's nervous. That's
what mister says, right, Just you have nervousness, it's going
to make you feel.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Better, like a band aid, like ripping it off like
a band aid, like run through like if you're nervous.
I really liked the idea of the elastic. I'm still
sitting here picturing it in my head and I can
see them like running into the wall and then bouncing back.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Like maybe even Fred and George like that was there,
that that was their first time. Their mom said just
run straight through, don't stop. That's very important. And Fred
and George are like, let's find out why. And then
they run in and they get caught and thrown back
like we And then they run in again and they
get thrown back. We will you stop mucking about and

(53:09):
come through the barrier.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
And the reason I don't think that that happens is
because of that, because there will be too much fun
happening and the muggles will be able to see it.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
What's going on over there.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, magical trampolines.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
Even if the barrier locks when you know, except for
on September the first and the last day of Hogwarts, Like,
even if it looks it's still there, still has to
be something to stop unintentional muggles from from going through there, and.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Then they will get to us and they'll I think,
I'm gonna have to do somewhere. It's like around them
for something.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Is this the only time that we are on the
platform that Arthur is not here?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
See I was thinking about that he's not there in
Goblet of Fire. I know that because Missus Weasley has
to manage all of the trunks and the animals and
the kids herself, and she's really anxious about it, and
he wishes the kids a good term. And I want
to say it's the same thing the next year for
Order of the Phoenix that Tonks and Arthur had to

(54:18):
go to work or no, not Tonks, but Arthur and
Bill like they couldn't get off work, so maybe missus
Weasley had to have everybody else go. I know he's
not there and Goblet of Fire, but no, he usually
is there, and his presence is usually pretty important because
he drives the car in one and he warns Harry

(54:41):
about serious or he tries to in the other, and
then Harry tries to warn him in Half Blood Prints
about what's going on with Draco. So he's usually there
and his presence is usually pretty significant. But why he's
not there this time, we don't know. We don't actually
meet him for a whole other book.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
He's solving like the mass that was the visual cup.
I think that's what he says, need to go to
work exactly.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
He's mentioned in this book, but he doesn't show up
until Chamber at the beginning when I get does he
can visit? He comes and visits Ron or what happened
in the beginning of Chamber whenever Arthur says Harry, Harry.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Who that's when they're having breakfast at the borough after
they rescue here.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Yeah, he was at work all night. He meets Arthur
and Chamber and diagon Alley.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
Yeah, well I think sorry maybe she was playing with
his electrical clubs in the first.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
That's the one. He's like, yeah, Molly, I'm going to
work and he waits for them to believe and slips off.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Arthur plays hooky from work so that he can play
with his plugs.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Oh wow, tell me about the platform moving on good night?
Everybody moving right along there. So we have a great
shift in mood after Harry finally crosses the barrier and
he's on the platform, and I just love the way
he's looking around and he's seeing all these cool things

(56:28):
he's never seen before, all these animals, all these other students,
and then we see Neville and Lee Jordan, and it's
just it's so exciting, Like I wish we could go
back and read this for the first time again. And
because you know this is our first time saying it too,
we're stepping in with Harry as reader. We're just as excited.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I just love it.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
All of a sudden becomes very magical, right, But like
what's funny is like you only hear about why. It's
like it's so magical because it's cats going in between
people's legs and al it's like it's.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Very real stuff. It sounds like fun.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
It does, and so like we don't really we don't
see any magic being done, but it seems very magical still.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It's in the air. It's like a it's like a
magical atmosphere. I think it's like excitement and all of.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
That is in the air Renaissance fair.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, and it just seems like he's like, Okay, this
is a dream. This is not a dream. Like maybe
until I was thinking it's a dream, but it's not
a dream anymore. It's happening. I'm going my leg I
left everything behind.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
And something about I would think also like the school trunks,
Like the trunks are literally packed with magic. You got
school uniform, school books. I would imagine wands are probably
in there for some people who know they can't do
magic anyway until they get there. So you you literally

(58:03):
have these trunks that are packed full of magic that
are getting loaded onto the train. And just for me,
that's one of the most exciting parts about traveling, Like
when I go to the airport, like I I just
love seeing everybody like with all of their bags and
their different luggage and just thinking, Okay, we're all getting
on the same plane going to Atlanta, but I've got

(58:24):
a guitar with me, and that guy's got a bird cage.
That guy's just got a Doffel bag with you know,
all kinds of stuff on it. Just like we're all
going to the same place, but we're we're we're all
going to be doing a lot of different kind of
things when we get there.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, it's a place, so I wait, most of them

(59:03):
make sense, right something sort? Oh, so yeah, I think
that's that's the vibrating measures happening. That's train is just.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Like that'll stop anybody in their tracks, this big, beautiful train.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Yeah. I remember when I started the studio, so it's
was it really South Areal.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I've got to do the studio. True, it seems like
everyone has been except for me, Like I've I've got
to go see this for myself. I need to know.
I need to see this train in person. So AnyWho. Yeah,
So there's a couple of little cameos. We see Neville
and Jordans and whatever Jordan has in his box. Yeah,

(59:52):
whatever that.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Has gotten Spooter, he's got a giant scooter in a box.
And again it's like that voice announcing that they're going
to be arriving. It's Hogwarts in you know, five or
ten minutes. Don't get used to it because it's not
going to come up again. And I'm kind of wondering,
was Lee Jordan just a very irresponsible pet owner and
did he let his spooter die? But I don't think

(01:00:15):
that's what happened. See what I think happened is Lee
Jordan gets this giant spooter, takes it to school, right,
and the spooter finds out that there's all these fancy
talking scooters in the woods, and he decides to scurry
off and find himself a lady friend, or if it's
a girl scooter, she scurries off to find herself a
male spooter.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I don't think that this I don't think that this
spider was ever a pet. I think that this was
a discussion that Lee and Fred and George had about
see if you can find the biggest spider and bring
it to Hogwarts, and we're going to do a prank
with this spider.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Great, So now we're objectifying the spooters.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So was this an experiment?

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
I think it's a prank.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
A prank for what because I've had that prank once
somebody put a tarantula on my face while I was sleeping.
I never forgave the person who thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
No, I don't mind spiders. There are many here because
of the nature. But uh like I can't take it
over my hand, but I need to know I need
to do to there and a definitely I'm talking about
you know this siders.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
No, no, thank you. Yeah, magical spiders like regular muggle
spiders are bad enough. Magic giant magical spiders.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
And it was the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I don't remember the ones from the fourth movie the
crabs right exploding, Yeah, blessing expectedly. Maybe it's just the
bag one, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
At this point, Fred and George discover that Harry is
Harry was. When they're helping it with the strong Harry
kind of pushes his hair back and they see the
scar and they're like, are you Harry Potter? And this,
to me is it shows a lot of Harry's character
in this moment because this is so not a big deal.

(01:02:11):
He's like, yeah, so what. But then he starts to
hear the Weasley's overhearing here in a little bit, or
he overhears the Weazy's one a little bit talking about him,
and I think that's the first time he starts to
realize this is gonna be a very different life at
Hogwarts for him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
I mean, so, first of all, cannot believe Fred George
would help.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Someone like this, Like I guess, I can't believe they
went and do it. But it is like I don't
know if.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
If I knew who Fred and George, if I were
seeing this happen, okay, and I knew Fred and George,
I would immediately go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
What are we gonna do to that boy? What are
they putting inside his trunk? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah? But also I think that they are raised by
Molly Son. Forget this, So although you know they're background
of being from a full family compared to Dracow, which
is from an extremely rich family, they are thought to
be manners and to help is in need. And they
he had it being kind of terrified, which I know
they love pulling friends or never for example, who is

(01:03:18):
always tertrified, but they don't care. But I think that
here maybe it's just to show that no matter the background,
and no matter how you know much they loves to
joke and everything, they are manners, while for example, Draco,
who's from a respectable kind and everything you would expect
him to be, but he's only when his parents are

(01:03:38):
around more or less, let's say, not behaving badly. But
that's my idea of trying to make them look a
bit more like saints than George.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I think right as Molly would have like slapped them
around if they saw if she saw them see him
struggling and not help.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
The fact that you know, she immediately says much and
I get on the train and see him, She's like,
oh my god, you need to stop them.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Yeah, So what like we we've talked a lot about,
like what would make the trip to platform nine three
quarters a little bit easier for students in general, Having
like I guess, like a like a bellboy. I don't
know what they're calling on on a train, but like
someone to like help load the luggage would make sense

(01:04:30):
to me because it's a simple. When Guardian lebiosa it's
on the train, it's on the train. We don't have
to worry about like you know, Harry drops on his foot,
hurts his foot like it's very heavy. They don't do that,
but it's I don't know, I just feel like that's
something that Hogwarts could do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I didn't think though.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Maybe the reason they don't do that is that they're
trying to avoid students bringing too much stuff, like you
can only bring what you can carry, and what you
can carry is what is in this trunk, you know,
So it may be like, uh, don't bring too much
junk into the school. But at the end of the
at the end of the series, we also found out

(01:05:11):
that we have like bottomless bags that we can have
and you know kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
So maybe not, but.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Yeah, you know I found that. I found that funny
of like we can do magic, but we're still not
doing magic.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
It's a good point the questionally when you think about,
you know, two years forward, then you are on the
nightclass and stand it's putting the luggage himself, like you know,
like no, no, no, I get this, you get that.
And you know, like Kerry gets to help Oldo. He's
already much older, so he can carry it without any problem, yeap.
But now on the Hopo sectors, they're like, no, eleven

(01:05:46):
year old, you can just do that just some you know,
you are going to work out for the future trunk and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
They're so like they're so little too, Like Harry is
Harry is little at this point, Like, like you said,
I mean, it was a decent thing to do, so yeah,
but what's what's weird and not really decent is Jenny
and her Oh mom, can I go on the train

(01:06:13):
and see him? Like what what was she going to do?
Did she just want to get on the train stand there,
stared him for a minute and then get off Like what?

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah, yes, well he's he's a celebrity, like this is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
I guess, like the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
Way that like he is incredibly famous has been told
like he essentially saved.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
The entire Wizarding world. And Jenny has been told about.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
This person, regardless of whether it's a brutal person or whatever.
Has been told about this since she was born when
Harry died, when Harry, well, not when Harry died, when
when when Harry when Voldemort was defeat Jimmy may have
been born, but barely so like at I mean, she

(01:07:07):
has heard about this person, the same thing with Ron
has heard about this boy since they were essentially born
or you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Could have any definitely could have any memories.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
And so like I don't know, I don't insert any
celebrity name here, don't like Cat Miller for instance, Like
you tell me Cat Miller somewhere, I'm gonna go see her.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
You know, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I mean, I'm not gonna like because I don't know
a trained situation. That's like a different situation because it's
more of an intimate setting. So you would have to
get on and walk into his compartment, look at him,
and then turn it out and walk out.

Speaker 8 (01:07:44):
Like all you need, all you need to do is
go go on, go on a video service like like
YouTube and just type in response to Backstree Boys or
n Sync at t r L, and I think that
you will exactly what Jimmy is thinking here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I think would like you know, that's all you know,
that's all and then just leave.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
That's all I want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Oh it is you, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
And that's what Rond does when they're on the trad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
You got the point to the forehead mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
I was just talking to my herapist about this yesterday
while I was getting my head and she was asking
what was the face? Yes, my herapy, Yes, these are yes.
These are words that I have that I that I
that I am fond of using. I have a therapist.
I have a herapy appointment once every two weeks because
it's it's a very calming, very gender affirming activity, so

(01:08:52):
I refer to it that way. She she loves it.
My my actual therapist loves it. It's it's a thing
I do. So anyway, I was at my herapy appointment
yesterday and I mentioned that I was going to Enchant
to Cohn and that the cast of the Magicians is
going to be there, and that through the different conventions
that I've worked for and that I've attended, I've had

(01:09:13):
the opportunity to meet some really amazing people who are
known for, you know, making the stuff that I really like.
And she asked me who my go to celebrity would be, Like,
who would be, you know, the famous person that I
would really want to meet? And I had no idea
what to say to that, because honestly, there's people that
I think would be cool to meet. But when you've

(01:09:35):
been to as many of these events as I have,
in all the different capacities that I've been there as
a staff member of volunteer attendee, what have you you know,
fellow guest, I've learned that most celebrities are just people,
like most of them, Thankfully, most of the ones I've
come across. They go there, they do the meet and greets,
they do the autographs and the pictures with the fans,

(01:09:57):
and they carry it well because they they're they're grateful
for the chance to know what you know, what they
do means to other people. And it just there are
a lot of events out there where the point of
the event seems to be to spend a bunch of
money to stand in line, to spend a bunch of
money to meet celebrities. And I'm sorry, I just don't

(01:10:20):
feel like that's something I need to do, just to
have a face to face meeting with the people that
I know. And for the most part, when I see them.
On the rare occasions i've seen people who are well
known out in public, my instinct is to leave them
alone because they're just Especially I hate stories. I hear

(01:10:43):
this on podcasts a lot, where celebrities are at lunch
and somebody will walk up to them and say, excuse me,
are you the guy who played Dwight on The Office?
Because it han'ts Straightederson a lot, and I'm thinking, why
would you do That's like they're they're having their lunch,
they're with their family.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
They're they're trying to buy pants.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Leave them alone. Let let them let them have, you know,
their downtime, Like there's a time and a place for that.
But as it pertains to Harry in this moment with
Ginny wanting to, you know, go and see him on
the train, for Harry to hear that it just because
I mean, on the one hand, at least she's asking

(01:11:22):
because remember like the chapter before this, where Harry is
having all these strange adults just coming up to him
wanting to shake his hand, saying I've always wanted to
meet you, Harry. It's nice to have you back, and
Doris Crockford keeps coming back for water, which is a
troubling sentence. It's like, at least Jinny asked, Missus Weasley

(01:11:47):
was right to say no and to forbid them to
ask about the scar and say as if he needs
a reminding of that. And you know, it's a lot of
credit to Missus Weasley for for caution her children against
bothering Harry too much, because at least but just to
bring it back to Genny one last time, at least

(01:12:08):
she said, can I go and see him? Because in
a few books she's probably she's going to be rebelling
a little bit against what her parents are trying to
tell her to do. But for the most part, with
the exception of Fred and George, and I would say,
to a certain extent, ron the Weasley kids mostly do
what their parents say. And I give a lot of

(01:12:31):
credit to Missus Weasley for being the disciplinarian in that house.
But I've always kind of admired the respect for listening
to their parents that most of the Weasley children seem
to have. That might also be a little bit of
wishful thinking, because I'm just kind of we do pretty
good with Avery for being as young as he is.
But I just hope that when he grows up, I

(01:12:54):
Am not going to be great about like breaking down
they have her out of because that's just not my
That's not my thing. So I'm just I'm banking on
him being a good boy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Well, there's ever trouble, just call me. I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Okay, we now have a record, We now have a documented,
you know, of profer of discipline for my kids, So
thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
All is here to help. So what's pretty awesome here
is we get to see some of the Weasley kids
and get a little bit of characterization, which it's interesting
because there's Percy, of course, and his pompous attitude of

(01:13:41):
I'm a prefect, We're sitting in the front blah blah blah,
we have a carriage to ourselves, YadA YadA, all that Okay,
Percy great. And then we see Fred and George and
we get kind of the relationship between them when they
start kind of making fun of him, and this is
where we kind of get the idea that Fred and
George are pretty unserious people and they're they're jokesters, and

(01:14:03):
it's it's nice to learn a little bit about these
kids before we really get into the story.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
Yeah, this read through was like the first time I've
really thought about character development of the Weasley children at least,
Like well, while I'm not a fan of the Percy character,
I do think that we see Percy change over time.
Now this takes book seven completely out, because we see

(01:14:33):
a lot of changes in all of the characters in
book seven, because that's what happens when you're in an
award situation, and you know, the battle Hogwarts and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
I got really disappointed in.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
I don't think that the friend and George's character changes
at all. I don't think there's any real character development
throughout the series, and we understand like they become business
owners and all these kinds.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Of things, but I don't think that they I think that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
They're the exact same person in book number five. Definitely,
definitely four and five.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Maybe they have changed some in six.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
So maybe we can discuss here, But I don't think
there's much of a difference between Book one Friend George
and Book five Friend George.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
I think maybe that was their way to, like because
you see, like first is trying to kind of so
that it can be better right from the previous brothers,
because they were all already kind of like good jobs
and everything, and then he wanted to proceive the best,
no perfect, no long hair, no nothing. He's just absolutely
going for the ministry job and so on, while President

(01:15:40):
George are exactly the opposite. They are trying to prove,
you know, like that's how we are and we are
just going to be hid. But also I think in
a way, you know, it's because for what's going to
happen later on when one dies and so on, you know,
it's easier to maybe go through these kind of things
and agreeing if you are a person that to joke

(01:16:00):
and we make fun. They were making fun in all
difficult situations all the time. It didn't matter. So so
their mechanism of coping with everything, and maybe even with
the fact that they were too in a way then
psychologically and maybe I'm analyzing them too psychologically.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
No, it makes a point, and to both of your points.
Of all the Weasley children, the one that we spend
the least amount of time with is Charlie. We don't
really get Bill until later, and then he doesn't really
need to develop as far as the characters because of
the role that he plays in the narrative. You don't

(01:16:40):
really need that growth from him. You obviously, if we're
ranking which Weasley's we actually kind of want to see
that growth from. I would say Ron's definitely top because
he's he's Harry's best friend. We spend so much time
with him and with Percy. I think actually has a

(01:17:03):
fascinating growth as a character because this is our first
introduction to him. He has actual like not so much authority,
but he has responsibility for the first time. I'm guessing
in his life and it makes me wonder what it
was like having Percy as a student at Hogwarts before

(01:17:27):
he was eligible to be a prefect, like there were
other prefects that he was being taught and guided by,
I would assume. But now this is actually our introduction
to Percy. Is him finally getting something that I'm guessing

(01:17:48):
he probably had his eye on from day one at Hogwarts.
So yes, he's basking in it. He's showing that he
can live up to his prefect badge. And then the
next year it's more of the same. In the third
year he's head boy. The fourth year he gets way
into his job at the ministry too much. Yeah, I
would say, yeah. And then fifth book is where everybody

(01:18:11):
hates Percy. Sixth book we get him for like a minute.
But then last book is when he redeems himself. But
you know, to Josh's point, we don't really need a
whole lot of growth or development from Fred and George
because I think Fred and George are the most divisive
of all the Weasley children. Because I know that I

(01:18:32):
don't care for the pranks. I know that Grace Candido
beachers with me on that does not care for the pranks,
because what the pranks represent is the removal of consent
on the part of the person who's receiving the prank. Now,
for the most part, you know, never mind, I'm not
going to get lost in the weeds trying to analyze
the whole prank thing. One thing I do want to

(01:18:52):
say about this moment that I never thought of until
this reading, though, is the fact that Percy got an owl.
We know that person he got hermes for being made
a prefect. But it's when Fred and George point out,
or Fred, I think, is the one who points out
how come Percy gets new robes anyway? And his mom says,
because he's a prefect. Now, when Ron becomes a prefect,

(01:19:13):
he doesn't get new robes. He does get a new broom,
but he doesn't get new robes. And the year before
that they had to buy him great Aunt Tessie robes
for the Yule ball. So I'm thinking somebody owes Ron
a new set of school robes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
He did get a set of dress robes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Do because Harry made that was that was that was
a condition of the investment that Harry made in their business.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Yep, that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
That wasn't from his parents.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
So is your point that Percy got an al and yes,
Perce is getting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
The broom.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Yeah Percy. Yeah, Percy gets a lot of perks for
being made a pre In fact, Ron just gets the one.
And maybe maybe I don't know, maybe it's because the
broom is more expensive than the combination of an owl
and robes.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
And that's that's the only explanation I was going to provide.
Was possibly because he doesn't he doesn't get like he
doesn't get a Nimbus or anything like that. He gets
like kind of the yeah, clean sweep, Well you've got
you've got fire Ball, the Nimbus series, and then I

(01:20:29):
don't really know, like it's not on top of the
line broom obviously, So that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
But you know, I'll tell you this, Ron, it's a
good thing that Ron ends up working in the joke shop,
because he sounds like he'd make a heck of a
salesman to me when he goes on and on about
that broom. I wanted a clean Sweep seven based on
that pitch.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
And maybe he didn't get the new ropes because I
don't forget.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Well that that was two books before though, like that's
that's Prisoner of Azkaban is when he gets the new
wand and he beats pre effect and technically.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
He does have an owl already because he has pigwidgeon.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
So yeah, but still, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I would think though he would need new robes at
this point because they've all gotten taller. So at some
point he maybe he got new robes, like over the
summer or at the end of the last school year
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Yeah, but like speaking as a person who grew up
with two brothers, there's a big difference between you. You
can tell the difference between I got this fancy new
outfit because I achieved a cool thing, or I got
a new outfit by because I don't fit into the
old outfit. Yeah, you can, you can as especially Ron's
not in the smack dab like middle. He's like second

(01:21:51):
youngest to Jinny. But still, when you've got, you know,
some siblings that are older and younger, you you can,
especially you're sensible to that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Yeah, that makes sense, Like I try to with my kids.
One of them is a little bit bigger than the other,
and it would be easy to say, oh, well, you
can just wear your brothers once he's outgrown them, because
you know, you'll fit. But that's really terrible. So we
always try to make sure he has new things of
his own, just because he deserves new things too. So

(01:22:21):
I mean, I get what you're saying, like Ron deserves
to have some new things.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yeah, and Ron gets hand me down so that you
don't expect he gets He even says, so he's got
Charlie's old wand he's got Percy's old rat. Even his
tools for school tools tools for school. That's fun to say,
tools for school, new band name I called it. Yeah,
his tools for school and in his pet, like even

(01:22:47):
those things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Are crazy, like a pet has a hand me down,
but that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
But on the one hand, yes, But on the other hand,
I do I do feel the need to point out
that they aren't doing this to these kids because they
don't don't want to get them new things. They're just
they're doing the best that they can. They have a
large family and they have to look after a lot
of these kids. Now, yeah, every couple of years or so,

(01:23:12):
I would think it would get a little bit easier
because they don't have to pay for stuff for Bill anymore.
They don't have to pay for stuff for Charlie anymore.
Percy is now the oldest of the Weasley kids going
to the school, so you have and then when he's
gone after a couple more years, then it's Fred and George.

(01:23:34):
So one would think that eventually it would get easier
with the kids getting a little older because Bill and
Charlie aren't at home, but Percy stays at home for
another year.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Yeah, but next year is going to be the first
is going to be the year that they have the
most students in Hogwarts. I think so, yeah, next year
when Jimmy starts, you're going to have Percy the Twins.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
You're on five of them, five of the seven.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
So that's that's incredibly expensive. When we see that come
out whenever, like they're they're struggling because I'm pretty I'm
pretty sure that there's in Chamber of Secrets when they're
talking about, well, we need to get flop.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Out er Lockhard books.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Yeah, all the Lockhart books, you have all that kind
of stuff, and they specifically call out, well, we're gonna
have to get a lot of Jenny stuff secondhand, so
like going back to the Rogue Piece Geminy, Yes, me,
I think Ron is probably getting newer robes semi frequently
because he's also tall. He's he's already he's already as

(01:24:34):
tall as the twins are, and he ends up being
the tallest. And in Chamber of Secrets we see one
we see Jenny and Missus Weasley go into a secondhand
robe shop. They didn't go into Madame Malclins for robes.
They went to a second a thrift store for the clothes.
And then at the end of Chamber of Secrets, Tom
Riddle talks about how Jenny put that into her diary,

(01:24:55):
about like how uncomfortable that makes her, you know, like
so Jimmy has some of the same things that Ron
does with the second hand that at least this at
this age, plus it's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Only one salary, right, because it's that that's easy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I say, yep, how about we hop on this. Yeah,
let's get on this train and let's let's get up
to some some Harry and Ron's stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
More an hour and a half we haven't even taken.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Okay, yes, this is this is This is a huge,
huge moment. You know it was you realize because this
is the moment where Harry Ron this is the assembling
of the Golden Trio. But at first it just feels
like a duo because it's mostly once they're on the train,
it's mostly just Harry and Ron vibing and making friends.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
And this is the part that I love the most,
where they just fall into this instant comfortableness with each other.
Is that a word comfortableness? Comfortable?

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yes, comfortableness, instant comfortableness.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
And Harry doesn't seem bothered at all by Ron asking
him questions and they just fall into this conversation and
it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Towards friends, Like it's so much sure for them. They're
just sleeping too. It's like in their life and miss
someone and you just get you know each other.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Oh, it's like meeting an old friend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah. And I what I love about Ron's approach as
opposed to how other people have approached Harry since he
re entered the Wizarding World, Like just now is he's asking.
It's almost like he's asking if he can ask, because
he doesn't just say, oh my god, you're Harry Potter. Hi,

(01:26:50):
my name is Ron. Can I see your scar? Can
I touch it? Like he's just saying, are you really Harry?
Is that the spot where they did the thing? It's
like Harry's says, I can't remember it, and Run says, no, really,
And it's like he's being very, very cautious, And I
think it helps that Run's a little bit nervous because

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he's talking to somebody all on his own. It's his
first day of school, it's his first time away from home.
We haven't even really touched on this yet. Is that
for these first year kiddos, this is the longest they've
ever been away from their home, away from their parents,
and now the only you know, the closest thing to
family that they're going to have immediately surrounding them until

(01:27:34):
the holiday is Yeah, dorm they you know, hope, hope
you get along with the kiddos that you stay within
your dorm room because guess what they're it for the
next several months.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I could not have been away from my from my parents.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah, Harry and wrong get really you know, lucky in
that situation too, because I mean they do have good
dorm mates. I mean the only issue they have is
in book number five and Seamless, is you know, I
mean Shamus makes a mistakes obviously, spies into q on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yes, and when you think about it, it's they did
really look out, because it's pretty unlikely that to end
up in a dorm with what what are there? There's
five of them, five of them, that all five of
them get along and actually like each other like that
doesn't really happen very often.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
In real life. I can tell you so because I
stayed like seven months in the dorm and then I
couldn't have to I was expected forul to commute to
school and we were only three. But of course an experience,
it's unlikely, you know, like you because from three we
became eight at some point, because we can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
That's crazy, Thank you, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I can tell you for the first year and a
half of college, I lived in a dorm. In the
year and a half that I lived in a dorm,
I had three roommates. Guess how many of those roommates
I'm still in touch with zero. I wasn't completely incompatible
with my roommates. It's just you move in for a

(01:29:18):
couple of weeks, you're being friendly with each other because
you're trying to figure each other out. But it really doesn't.
I mean, granted we were in college, we weren't eleven
going to a boarding school. But still when you live
in those close quarters with another person, it really doesn't
take that long to figure out if you're going to
be compatible or not. So good for these boys that

(01:29:43):
except for that one year that they all got along
so well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Like when I went to college, I purposely roomed with
one of my best friends from high school because we knew, like,
we're not dealing with outside people here, I mean. And
even that was kind of a challenge because you know,
we never lived together before. We were best friends, but
we never lived together before, so getting to know each
other's habits and living together, yeah, there were some hiccups

(01:30:10):
here and there, but it was nothing I imagine it
would be like with complete strangers, Like we at least
knew each other like some complete strangers. That's that's wild
to me. And eight no way, Andy, No Way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Especially, you know, it's not the school I was studying it.
It was completely separate because my school was not having
a drums, so you can imagine I was. And they
were all different ages on top of that, like I
was fourteen, not fifteen. And then I was with some
guys they were like turn to something because they were
a human and they were there as well. Wow, And
then there was also a guy and he was eleven

(01:30:46):
one because she was studying the school. It's just such
a mix. It was wild, right, the things they were doing.
And I'm generally I'm very calm and I don't like
conscious and kind of thing. So you're gonna mention this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Now. Something else I notice about this conversation with Harry
and Ron on this first meeting is that when you
look closely at the interactions that Harry has during this
first year of magical Education, the people he develops the
closest bonds with are the ones who are as willing
to give him information as they are to request information

(01:31:29):
from him. Because the first person is Hagrid, now it's Ron,
and then Hermione shows up and she's gonna she's gonna
deliver a different kind of knowledge and information because she
does it with everybody, but still the fact that she's
here to really help fill in those gaps that is
she's she's gonna have a lot of answers to offer.

(01:31:50):
And then by the end of the book it's Dumbledore.
But the people that Harry is really getting close to
in this first year are the ones who are actually
taking the time to explain things to him. Maybe not
all things, and maybe not completely dissatisfaction, but still a
lot of people that encounter Harry are wanting him to

(01:32:14):
tell them about himself because of his part that he
played in Wizarding history that he can't even remember. But
that's not what Harry needs right now. He needs people
who are going to be answering his questions first, and
these are the people who are doing that for him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
This is one of the things I appreciate the most
about Ron here is seeing him kind of step into
that role where he kind of takes the lead and
he can shepherd Harry into the wizarding world and give
him information about how things work. And you know, what
are these cards? What do they do in telling him
about making him feel more comfortable because there's mugglebornes there

(01:32:51):
when Harry's worried that he's going to be the worst
one in the year, like, it's just it's a really
it's a really good conversation like quidditch.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Mm well, well, I think Ron does such a better
job of it than than Hagrid does, because when Haggard
takes Harry to diagon Alley, it's like, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
You really don't know anything, do you know? You don't
know that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
But Ron Ron like says things and go, oh, sorry,
this is it, and then yeah, exactly, that's andy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
I know you said you like Haggard.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
At all, but I love seeing us have a Ron
because it's Ron going let me explain this to you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah, I mean I think he's also feeling so good.
You know, he's like, oh my god, you finally it's
my tense to shine in a way, like I can,
you know, tell him stuff and he's suious about and
the yeah, he's very man and he really is like
what the real friend would do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Oh yeah. Because that's even when the when the trolley
witch shows up with the sweets. Harry is even reflecting
on that, thinking he never had anything to share, or
indeed anybody to share it with. But that's probably how
Ron feels about him too, because Ron probably babbles about
quidditch all the time at home, and his siblings probably

(01:34:13):
tell him to shut up because they already know all
this stuff and they don't need to hear Ron's constant
quidditch commentary. But now you have a new friend who
doesn't know anything about quidditch and who's genuinely interested, and
Ron has somebody to share his knowledge with. Harry has
somebody to share his suites with. So they're they're doing

(01:34:35):
it for each other in different ways.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
Well, and and Harry and Ron relate to each other
so much in the situation too, because, like Harry, I guess,
Ron says something at least about like not having money
to like boss weeds or whatever, and Harry's immediate response is,
I mean I've never had anything until like a month ago. Yeah,
I mean, like he never had bucket money up until

(01:34:58):
like a month ago. So like there is there is
some commonality there of like, hey, just because I can
do this right now doesn't mean that I don't understand
right not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
He's from corn beef sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Well, which, by the way, like back in the day
before I became a vegetarian, I would have sandwich. I
would have I would have smashed the corn beef sandwich. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
Well not like obviously, but well, and that's the other
side of it too, is like when's the last time
Harry like had something I don't know, I guess made
with care that was given to him from like a
family or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
I bet corn beef sandwich would have been great.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Yeah, you know, it's nice to see him with a
little bit of pocket change. I say a little bit
of pocket change, like he doesn't have a vault full
of gold, but with some money.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah, but he well, he still has. Hagrid explained to
him briefly the conversion for you know, how much each
canut goes into a sickle, and a sickle into a gallant.
But still, he's been on one shopping trip in the
Wizarding World. He has no actual concept for how much
money he actually has. He just knows that he's got
a vault with a lot of coins in it. He
doesn't know what any of that stuff is actually worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
And it's nice that his first instinct is to share
and to buy something for both of them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
I guess that's It's such.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
A beautiful moment. I just this is one of my
favorite moments of the first book.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Just can just stood, you know what. And he's kind
of related to wrong, so he was like, a you know,
just share everything right now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Yeah, And I would imagine at some point that might
even come up. Ron lives in a house where they
are all on the struggle bus as far as being
in poverty. Harry was forced to live in this tiny
little poverty bubble in the center of a privilege, you
know world. Because the Dursleys have got money they can have,

(01:36:56):
they seem to, within reason, have pretty much everything they want,
and Dudley gets anything that you know, he asked his
parents for. Harry's the one who has nothing. So imagine
being the only person. Imagine living in a house full
of very comfortable people and it feels like you're the
only one who's actually living below the poverty line. That's
gotta suck.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Oh yeah, now about these sweets. Now, this is the
trolley witch who is selling sweets to students who aren't
allowed to use magic outside of school. So obviously this
would not be the time to sell a lot of
those more impressive, spectacular suites that do fun things anyway.
But still, this is a great way to introduce the

(01:37:39):
fact that confections seem to be a pretty great indication
of what magic is really like, especially in this first book,
where there's a lot more of the whimsical side of magic.
Because here we get chocolate frogs, which, as far as
we know, they don't hop in the book like they
do in the movie, but still they're shaped like frogs.

(01:38:01):
They come with the collectible cards, which are a whole thing,
the birdie bots beans, you know, you you never know
what you're gonna get until you're eating it. And then
you've got the cauldron cakes, which are the thing that
I want to try the most because cakes are kind
of a weakness of mine. But yes, exactly cake. And

(01:38:22):
it's not until you know, a few books down when
we get the ones that they make you smoke at
the mouth, they make you levitate, all this all this
other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Yeah, turn into an animal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Oh, speaking of all the boys in the dorm, that's
one of my favorite, like movie scenes that's not a
book thing where they're eating the different sweets that make
them make the animal noises. That'd be a kind of
a fun thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
No, I would be kind of bothered if the chocolate
frogs did hop likely doing the movie, Like you know,
I'm mad. I would be if I'm sitting there trying
to eat my chocolate and hops out the window.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
And do you know how hard it would be for
me to eat a chocolate frog and take it seriously?
If it looks like it's looking at me like, can
I take a bite out of an actual frog?

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Now, it's just like, hey, Jeff, what's up? And then
you buy the space off Freedom.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Like the car that matters. It's not like I always
I always got Kinderregs when I was because it's not
about chocolate. They inside the chocolate was sumwhere left there
and I was like, oh what joy I would be
the same with the Chocolate Pro cards. Honestly, like I

(01:39:45):
love that those cards. Unfortunately we didn't get money, but
I loved what they did in the is in our
Vestband game. That was cool when we got like one
hundred cards and they were even explained. That was even nice.
You know that you got to click on the check
that uh as so as you what they was doing.
But yeah, we didn't get much in the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:40:07):
Yeah, it's really neat to see like these uh these
collectible trading cards come out, so like I really just
wanted to read some of them, like the names of
the cards that we know, because I think they're fun names. Honestly,
we get we get the Dumbledore card, we got more
Gonna the Hangist of Woodcroft, Albaret Grunyan, Cercy Para Para Para.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Paracelsus, and Merlin.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
So Merlin is always an interesting one that comes up
because like, yeah, we hear about like Merlin's pants or
Merlin's beard or you know whatever like that, and then
we see a chocolate frog card. Merlin seems like it's
a very I don't almost like theological type of uh
person I get in in in this wizarding world. But

(01:40:58):
then like, we also have a chocolate pro card that's Merlin.
I don't know, it's just interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Now you mentioned a name, and when this name comes up,
I can't help it. I have to ask this question,
and then I have to drop a fun fact. Do
you know, offhand without looking it up, who Hangust of
Woodcraft is?

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
He's the founder of Hogsmead Village.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Oh how about that? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
The reason I've never forgotten this For one thing, A
few years ago, my friends did a show called puff Cast.
I was a guest on that show, and they said
I could pick any topic I wanted. We took a
close look at the village of Hoggsmead, so I learned
a little bit about Hangus of Woodcraft. That was also
around the same time that the off Broadway play Puffs
was huge on Amazon and everybody was watching it and

(01:41:47):
talking about it. And the cast and the creators were
being interviewed on all the shows, and now there's all
these really great productions of it that are being done.
But what this has to do with Hangist of Woodcraft
is that apparently the actor who originally portrayed Wayne, who's
kind of the Harry Potter stand in for the Trio
of Puffs in that play, the only other character he

(01:42:11):
was supposed to play in that show was they had
this bit where he was the portrait of Hengist of Woodcraft,
and apparently this bit where they're trying to explain about
the village and they have him talking and the portrait
is it was apparently so funny that they couldn't get
through it without cracking up, so they ended up having

(01:42:33):
to cut it from the show.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
So that was the closest to seeing Hangues of Woodcraft
we were ever going to get, and unfortunately we couldn't
because it was so funny the actors couldn't get through
the scene. Maybe maybe I think we're at the point
where Neville comes in looking for his toad.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Yes, Neville. We get a proper, a more proper look
at at Neville, and we kind of get an idea
of who he is a little bit, a little bit scattered,
a little bit flustered, and we meet his well, we
meet him, we hear about his toad, we don't actually
meet his toad. And then we meet Scabbers. And this

(01:43:17):
is the iconic scene where Ron is going to attempt
the spell that Brett and George gave him to turn
Scabber's yellow. Now, I know this has been discussed before,
but I had to get Andy's thoughts on this. Do
we think the spell did not work on Scabbers because
Scabers is not really a rat? Or is it a

(01:43:37):
bogus spell and just given to Ron as a prank?

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
I think it's didn't work because he's like, he's not
the rest. Because if you think about like magic in general,
like we get to see the lesson magic right for words,
but generally when we look at witch Trust, you know
how it used to be they were rhymes. Like I
think that the huge inspiration for Rolling was the worst

(01:44:03):
to reach. I don't know if you know about that book.
It's very similar. For example, there is a ocean feature
and she literally is the female version a snake, Like
even if you look the way she looks like and
everything and there in this book series and in the
TV show they are using this kind of like rhymes
to make a spell. Therefore, I think it is the

(01:44:24):
combination of the fact that it's a wizard not a rat.
But also Ron is not really that experience, like of
course he threw up in a family and had magic
around him all the time, but we already know he
kind of like it took him a while even to
learn regarding the riosa. So yeah, or it might see,

(01:44:44):
I mean, we can expect anything from travential Jundia. They
were telling him that the sorting ceremony is something very difficult, right,
so they were trying to switch him from the beginning.
But I think at a Hogos they would have learned
from rhyme spells.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Yeah, that's that's my face for me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
That's fair, it's a spell.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I think the author just wrote this weird little poem
and wanted to work it in here somehow, So she
just said, hey, what if we made Ron this really
gullible kid who thinks he's going to use the magic
of poetry to change the color of his rat. If
you can, if a human can turn into a rat,

(01:45:31):
then a rat can be turned yellow regardless of whether
he's a human or not. Because let us not forget,
Harry dies one of his eyebrows bright yellow in a
transfiguration class.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
So I don't think the fact that he's not a
real rat matters at all. I think it's just that
it's not a real spell. It's just a silly little poem.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
Reasons that the spell is not real One not Latin.
Two Rahm's three came from friend George.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
Well, I think I think I could. I think I
could convince.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
That jurors of our peers that is pale based on
those three facts.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
We are a jury of our peers. Are we convinced?
I'm convinced anyone else?

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
I mean, I guess I'm convinced.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
You know what they say. The prosecution has to get
twelve votes. The defense just has to get one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
You're right, so not real. So Fred and George were
messing with him all right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
So far outside of their realm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I know they would never do that. I don't know
how you guys came up with that. But whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
We do get, we do get a pretty proper introduction
to Hermione here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Oh good, Yes, if any character ever let you know
on day one in their opening scene who they are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
It's reminding, busting in, taking charge with her bossy attitude
and letting everybody know I have already member all the
school books, that's everything we need to know about Hermione,
and that she's already tried some spells. Yeah, but I
find it interesting her approach to Harry is a bit

(01:47:11):
different from what Ron did. Ron was more comfortable asking
questions and more hesitant. Hermione just busts right out of
the gate with the information, Hey, you're in this book,
this book, this book, and you know you did this?
How do you not know? And Harry's just like, wait
a minute, what slow down?

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
I don't she's academic, but it's not really.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
Actually, I guess it's funny that Hermione knows more about
Harry than Harry does. But honestly, everyone on this train
knows more about Harry than Harry does.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Yeah, and I think her money knows everything better than everything. Actually,
remember what I told the books that she proba believe
it knows how to do to go and just you know,
I don't know, do it like the foot sub probably
because so why not? She will love about it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
See, I would say, based on especially this and a
lot of other markers of how well she does in classes,
that she has an idetic memory. But on the other hand,
she still has to study quite a lot in order
of the phoenix. But then again, would it seem like

(01:48:24):
to would it make the character seem almost too perfect
to the point of being broken if she learned all
the stuff, memorized all the stuff. But then when everyone
else is stressing out about studying and reviewing for owls,
she's just kind of sitting there like, hmmm mmmm, I
know all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah right, Oh, but I think that anyway, people that
tend to study this much with not would definitely be
as anxious as she and should always second guess everything
even they know there they know everything, but saving the
question himself, like thinking about when I was learning some

(01:49:03):
memorizing something, because she's memorizing more than learning most a
lot of times, right, And when I was trying to
memorize something and I was doing the best, that was
second guessing, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's this is a really cool piece of
seeing the beginnings of the dynamic of the Golden Trio
here where like you know, Harry, Harry is just kind
of there going through going through it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
Ron.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Ron has like a I'll almost call it like a
street knowledge, like a street smarts knowledge of Harry and
the Wizarding World because he's lived in it. And then
Hermione comes in like with this scholarly knowledge of the
world that she doesn't hasn't experienced. It's like she's an
expert in a world that she's never lived in, she's

(01:49:54):
only ran about. So like it's we see the we
see the formings of how this dynamic is gonna work
throughout the series right here, and just who they are.
I think I think something that something that I picked
up on here, uh that was really cool about Harry.
I thought was like when uh, I guess when Ron

(01:50:15):
is talking.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
About what.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
Like talking about his family and and and you know
them graduating and leaving Hogwarts, Harry almost immediately asked about
the jobs that you do after Hogwarts. And I don't
know if that's kid curiosity. I don't know if that
is ambition coming out of like, you know, looking into

(01:50:38):
the future. It could also be what, you know, what
Jeff had talked about earlier, you know there there when
we were kids, like you're you're asked, what do you
want to be when you grow up?

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Did Harry have anyone that was that interested in him?

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
Hopefully some school teachers would ask his questions for assignments
but also take interest in in Harry as a person,
But we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
We don't actually see that, so yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:04):
It's just I thought was interesting that Harry immediately brings
up what kind of jobs are there?

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
I think Harry's trying to do some world building for himself,
because this is, like I say, he's had one field
trip to diagon Alley, where you have a lot of
different kinds of people, and he saw a lot of
different types of jobs. There's people who work in pubs,
people who own shops. Obviously you have professional quiddits players.

(01:51:33):
They have a school, so some people become teachers. Only
goblins work at the bank, which we don't even have
time to get into that today. But the point is
Harry has had some idea of what kind of work
you can do in the Wizarding World, but he has
no concept of how you decide, like you say, what
you want to be when you grow up? And what

(01:51:55):
I find really cool about the Weisel children is that
except for the part where Ron leaves the Auror office
and then goes to take Fred's place at Weasley's Wizard Weezes,
but that's in the Apocryphate, it's not mentioned in the
Cannon series. Each of the Weasley children ends up taking
a completely different career path. None of them wants to

(01:52:18):
do the same thing, because there's there's families where you
go into the family business or everybody ends up. They
may not do the same thing, but they do different
versions of, you know, something very similar, but each of
the Weasley kids does something completely different. You have a
curse breaker, a dragon trainer, a ministry official, a business owner,

(01:52:42):
an aurr who ends up going to work for said business,
and then Ginny. I think Ginny was a quidditch player,
but then she becomes a quidditch correspondent for the Daily
Profit after they have a family. So you have a
lot of pretty much almost with the if any of
them had become a Hogwarts professor at any point, you

(01:53:04):
would have had pretty much every different kind of job
you can get in the Wizarding World.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Now, as for the meeting between Hermione and Ron and
Harry for the first time, my favorite part of that
meeting is the foreshadowing that comes with the line whatever
house I'm in, I hope she's not in it now
I am. I am a very I've made this very plain.
I am a Crimione shipper. I have a whole song

(01:53:34):
about that, but just I can't help it. I just
love that because because how typical does this seem when
you meet when you're kids and you're like, ew, you're
a girl, girls have coodies. I'm gonna pick on you,
and it's not because I like you and I don't
know how to express it. And then several books later,

(01:53:55):
they're they're jealous of each other's dates, they're sniping at
each other when the chips are down there there for
each other, and then they end up married with a family,
because of course they do.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Of course, then then they end up leaving the house.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
That's that's a good point. I was just thinking about schoolhouses,
but that's a good catch. They literally live in the
same house.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
You know, when we were young and I didn't want
to be in the same house and buying the house together.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
I kind of love it. I kind of love the progression.
Like from the oh Hermione is irritating annoying bossy girl
to Ron being head over heels for her, Like, I
just I kind of love it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
I look like she's that's not a real of for example,
but she that attitude is just so it's annoying a bit.
But in the same time, you know, I really know
my thing and then I'm going to go for you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Oh that's me. Oh. So they're continuing their conversation and
Ron gets to take the lead yet again and school
Harry on quidditch. Which is interesting to me that Ron
is the one who introduces Harry to the thing that
basically is going to become his life in such a
huge part of his identity while he's at Hogwarts, And

(01:55:27):
I just it's great that Ron plays such a pivotal
role in Harry's development in the Magical world. Like I've
never really considered until this reread how big of a
part Ron actually did play in Harry's introduction to all this.

Speaker 5 (01:55:44):
Well, and and in the same vein, I mean it's
our introduction to it too, I mean, Ron, Ron, Ron
is there to give us the information that we need
to continue to build our world.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Same yeah, same for Harry.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Now I really want it for a lot of reasons.
I want to know what Harry heard from Ron about
quidditch because, on the one hand, Ron is a quidditch superfan,
and hearing somebody who's a super fan of anything be
the one to explain it to you, which happens in
my circles a lot. I always look forward to hearing

(01:56:21):
those kind of conversations, which is why I generally like
I can google things. I say this a lot. I
know how to google things. Things have artificial intelligence. Now
you have information at your fingertips. I want to learn
this stuff from people who are passionate about it because
I want them to not only give me the knowledge
that I need, but I want them to give me

(01:56:43):
a good example of why it matters so much to people,
because you can only get so much of that from Google.
And at the same time, this is the second time
quidditch has come up for Harry, and the way it's
presented to us here I think says a lot. Ron
goes on and on about different games he's been to

(01:57:03):
in the positions of the seven players, but in a
few chapters when Harry gets this information from Oliver Wood,
he's repeating it back to himself like he's hearing this
for the first time, So I'm thinking Ron is giving
him a pretty good amount of knowledge of how quidditch

(01:57:23):
is supposed to work. But because of how excited he's getting,
he's kind of babbling on and going off on tangents,
and he's just Harry's not really taking it in, like
he's just letting this info dumping just sort of wash
over him.

Speaker 5 (01:57:41):
Well, and you're exactly rot because Oliver is explaining how
the game is played. Ron is explaining there are seven players,
there's four balls, and look at all these really exciting
things that have happened in history. Yeah, Like the paragraph
says and he was all explain all about the four
balls players and then describing famous games, and then what

(01:58:06):
he'd done with his brothers, and then what Broom thinks
he would boy he had the money. So like he's
not getting an end depth saying of like quiddage strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
He's getting an end depth history of quiddage.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
It's like an overview.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
Yeah, but and Harry has no way of knowing at
this point that any of this is going to be
in any way relevant to his own life, so he
starts paying very close attention to what Oliver is saying,
because he has to learn how to apply that once
he steps into his first quidditch match, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
Definitely I think ron got sidetrack, Like I know myself,
So when I speak about something I'm passionate about, you
speak about this guy when we are going to end
up after three hours talking about you know what happened
in the grietithology, because you know, there is one thing
that words connect. So I think that's Ronnie's very exciting

(01:58:56):
is something like he's good at.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
So he goes off the rails a little bit. Yeah,
I can see that happening.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
Just a little bit. So we're getting we're getting ready
to have Draco come in.

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
But before we talked about that, I wanted to bring
up something that that happens just before and and it's
kind of an offhanded it's an off handed line that
Harry makes about you know, he's been saying Baltimore's name.
He doesn't know not to say it, but ron continually says,
you know, don't you don't say the name, it's you

(01:59:31):
know who or you know he must not be named.

Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
I think I think he says you know who.

Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
But Harry makes the comment that like he's getting more.
He's more scared because Baltimore didn't seem like something to
worry about, but you know who seems like someone to
worry about. And it's exactly what Dumbledore continues to say
throughout the series, as Oien says at the in.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
The very first chapter here, second chapter, first chapter of
this book of.

Speaker 5 (02:00:07):
Yeah, he's telling McGonagall, don't be scared of the name.
If we have to say the name to make sure
people aren't scared of anymore, all that kind of stuff.
And we see that, we see it happen here where
Harry's not scared of Boldemort's name. He's scared of the
fear that's placed on Baltimore's name.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
That's why, fear of the name of that particular thing.
Next later on later.

Speaker 5 (02:00:34):
Yep, exactly, And now everyone's favorite platinum blonde.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Did someone say Draco Malfoy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
H little snot nos Draco Malfoy. Here he comes with
his his goonies, as thugs, his his backup crew, whatever
you want to call them.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
Yeah, like, can we still say posse is that one
of the ones we can see? Can we can we
still use that one? His cronies, his henchman, Henchman bodyguards
his backup dancers.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Because we know that Draco is going to run his mouth,
but he's actually not going to do anything, so he
needs the muscles to actually take the fight for him.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
Surprisingly, he does not mention his father. That's usual. That's
that's his home run swing. My not that it ever
really does him as much good as he thinks it does.
It's more like a bunt. But still he tries. He
now that he knows who Harry is, he tries like, Oh,
I'm so impressive, I'm Draco, Ladie Dah. And then he tries, oh,

(02:01:53):
I'm going to bully you because you're a weezlee. And
then he offers Harry a hand, which is the name
sake of one of my favorite Wizard rock songs, Why
won't You Shake My Hand? By Draco and the Malfoys.
But just he tries. It's the it's the fact that
he tries with a hand. How many eleven year olds

(02:02:14):
do you think? Like, it's like he's forming an alliance.
It's like, you want to make friends with the right
kind of people. I can help you there, hand goes well.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
That's exactly what he was trying to do.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
But eleven year olds don't talk this way.

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
But he was reading that. I mean, imagine his father,
the influence he had on the ministry, the influence he
had everyone bribing everyone. You know, you always go and
shake the him and be like, you know, I'm this
important person and I'm influencing absolutely everyone, and I go
uneds to do what. So I think that's where it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Comes from, exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:02:49):
I think a lot of that cut, A lot of
that comes up from, you know, Draco being around Lucius
or Lucius, I definitely would put don't don't put a
pass Lucius to really go to Draco and say, hey,
this is how we became rich, and this is how
we stay rich.

Speaker 4 (02:03:11):
You know, it's by it's by exerting our influence.

Speaker 5 (02:03:14):
It's by you know, you know, bribbing and conniving and
doing all the things that rich people mostly do.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
So that begs the question here, do you think is
there ever a universe where Harry and Draco actually become
friends to say that Harry had Harry say that Draco
approached him differently back in Madame Malklins and he was
kind to him, and then he comes onto the train

(02:03:42):
and he's like, oh hey, Harry, and they're talking like
you know, because they've already met, do they become friends.

Speaker 4 (02:03:48):
Or yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:50):
I didn't know that you were asking the question as
if Draco was a completely different person.

Speaker 4 (02:03:55):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:03:59):
If Draco if Rica was a completely different person. Yes,
the second path there.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
So maybe they become friends before Draco's mask slips, because
we all know that ultimately that mask will slip and
he'll turn and he'll turn back into the arrogant ass
that he is here. But is there a moment where
they might be friendly with each other?

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
I think Erry, and what would that look like? Very
smells immediately because of the training training that does live
provided for all those years. Or if not, then they
would defend I think Cherry immediately. Would you know, if
if Draco would I think that no matter how they
would see Draco, he would always know he hate nice

(02:04:46):
to long M. I think maybe to her mindy, I mean, okay,
she's not sure blood, so that can be an issue,
but still her Maney comes from a good family, which
for Drake I think is very very important. Lit when.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
So M, Jeff, Yes, you look very inquisitive.

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
That's just my face. Oh, okay, I have a very
very quisitive face.

Speaker 5 (02:05:18):
No, there's no way Draco and Harry become friends unless
Draco or Harry are completely different people.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
I kind of feel like that's sort of the whole
point of a certain play that makes people very angry.
Is that's one of the questions that I think, that's
one of the questions that's actually being answered in that
play is what if Harry and Draco had ended up
making friends on the first day, what would that have
looked like? Because these two those two boys are supposed

(02:05:52):
to be albuson Scorpius there, they're supposed to be stand
ins for their dads, and they make that abundantly clear. Yeah,
they're trying to live down their father's reputations for very
different reasons. And they immediately are like, Okay, our dads
didn't get along on day one at school, so now
we can either do exactly what they did or we

(02:06:12):
can go the other way.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Right, Also fair, I always leave that information out of
the equation.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
But because of to put it very simply, because of
the very simplistic way that the house representatives and their
personalities are presented to us, we are not supposed to believe, until.

Speaker 6 (02:06:39):
The end of this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
Series that it's possible for a Slytherin and a Gryffindor
to get along. They're supposed to hate each other. We
are beat over the head with nothing but proof that
Gryffindors or Gryffindors and Slytherins, or Slytherins and Gryffindor, or
the good guys in Slytherin's or the bad guys and
the heroes are in Gryffindor and the villains are in Slytherin.

(02:07:06):
They just keep throwing that at you. So at what
point are we even supposed to entertain the idea that
a Gryffindor and a Slytherin. Now, they're not sorted yet.
That's it's true, they're not sorted yet. But Draco made
it very very clear he's going to be a Slytherin
the moment we meet him. Yeah, that's I don't think.

(02:07:26):
I don't think anybody ever saw Harry going anywhere other
than Gryffindor, So why that was even a concern, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
Yeah, if would behave nicely history, So he was still
slithering because his true self would be his yourself would.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
Have been interesting to see. But yeah, yeah, I think
you were right. Like, anyway this goes, they're going to
end up in those two rival houses. And I mean,
even if they had been friendly at this point on
the train, it's still would have gone south pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
But what I do love and what doesn't go south
is the fact that Harry Ron and Neville and Hermione
get to take their trip across the lake to see
howkwarts for the first time, and it's just it's it's
fun to see the building blocks of the story and
the characters that are going to play such a huge role,

(02:08:21):
how they started out.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
Why do first years go a different route? I love it.

Speaker 5 (02:08:26):
I think I would prefer the second, the first route
then the second. I think it's very magical going across
the lake and say.

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
But wah to give them the say, look, this is
the tree where you're going to study, Like, this is
where you're going to be Like it's just so magical
and it shows the immensity of the world. Right, But
that's school and how important this is. It's like the
only stool in the UK, right that it's teaching magic

(02:08:59):
to keep and also to maybe the kids be a
magical out of space. It's impressive, right, I wouldn't want
to just trust.

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
I think it's just and what is the word not
shock factor? Not like bad shock though there's another word.

Speaker 4 (02:09:19):
Yeah, all inspiring.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
See I think about it like this. I'm one of
these people because I've heard a lot of people describe
it this way. The first time they saw the film
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, that scene where all
the first years are coming across in their boats. You
get that iconic moonlit you know, view of the whole

(02:09:43):
castle and you just feel like wow, Like that's when
you really feel it. For some people, it's when they
cross the barrier, they get on the train, they're like,
oh my god, this is really happening. But then you
hear about this school your whole life. But the first
time you actually see it, and it's this great, big,
giant castle and you're about to be paraded into the

(02:10:03):
Great Hall and decided where you belong based on your
personality because a hat is going to read your mind
in front of everybody. That's it's a lot, you know,
to take in. But I think the reason they put
them in these little boats and they take them across
the water and they show them this view of Hogwarts.

(02:10:24):
Hagrid even says, you'll get your first view of Hogwarts
in a sec I think they want their first time
encountering this castle to be this beautiful front view through
the night sky, not this. You know, you get in
these carriages that pull themselves and they just let you
in the back door and you go in with all

(02:10:46):
the others. And they also they have to separate the
first years somehow, Yeah, because they have to explain to
them how this sorting thing is going to start. Sure, yeah,
so I think it's just part of the show. I
think it's this whole you know, song and dance, this
presentation that they put on because they want these first
year students to have an impressive first encounter with the school.

(02:11:10):
I think that's why they put them in the boats.
That's why McGonagall has to wait for Hagrid to knock
on the door, because it's not like she doesn't know
they're coming. And I think that's also why the ghosts
have their conversation and then just happen to run into
the first years. Because the ghosts have been in the
school for hundreds of years. It's not like they don't

(02:11:30):
know when the first day of term is, and it's
not like they don't know that the students are going
to be sorted if it's their first year, so they
know all this is going to be happening. I think
it's I think it's a show. I think they put
on the show to impress the first years in it works.

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
Yeah, I mean boted the best. When they released the
last movie, they made something on YouTube the fifty best
scenes and actually number one when they are crossing the
late in the all the movies, Like that's the best,
and we're still what we were saying with you know,
heck with knocking on the door. I the it is
like the same, Like you know, if they would arrive

(02:12:10):
and there would be already open, they might have seen
the Grateful, But then we're gonna closed the great past
doors after everyone was in and then go pick up
the students and then reopen the doors. So they literally
are imployed by all the doors and the handles and everything,
so like that grip, that breath taking moments that would
be iconic in their lives once in the that time.

(02:12:34):
It's like reading the books for the first time.

Speaker 4 (02:12:36):
Mm hm, Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
So they're saving that special moment for everybody to experience together.

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
Yes, breath taking. That's that's the way that I was.
I was trying to think of that. That's the breaking exactly.
They they want, they want their first view and their
first experience encountering Hogwarts to be breath taking, and it is.

Speaker 4 (02:12:59):
Do you know what else is breathtaking? This episode was breathtaking?

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
Whatever do you mean?

Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
This chapter was breathtaking?

Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
Oh, that's great, it was, and and and somebody else
who was particularly breathtaking in this episode was our excellent guest.
So thank you Andy so much for taking the time
to be here and to share your knowledge with us
and being a part of this episode. We very very
much appreciate it. And if anybody would like to keep

(02:13:35):
up with you online, is there any particular place that
they should look for that?

Speaker 3 (02:13:40):
Yes, sure, thank you very much for inviting me. This
was magical And if anyone wants to reach out, I
am and the Speculiar Corner and you can find you
on Instagram and also on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
I want to set us a magical picture videos about
books and magic.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
That definitely sounds like Mike kind of my kind of following. Well,
speaking of magical following, that was really bad. But that's
the best I've got anyway. Our next episode is going
to be a chapter revisit to Order of the Phoenix.

(02:14:17):
We're going to chapter seven, the Ministry of Magic.

Speaker 5 (02:14:21):
And if you would like to support our show, you
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with your friends. And with that, this has been episode
sixty seven of the final one hundred.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
I'm Josh, I'm Shamini, and I'm Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
Thank you for listening to episode four hundred and sixty
seven of Aloha Mora. Hagrid raised a gigantic fist and
knocked three times on the dumbleedoor and then he opened it.
I'm just kidding McGonagall opened it, but still it was good.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (02:15:13):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Patrick Muselek. Aloha Mora was co created by
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Speaker 6 (02:15:23):
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Speaker 5 (02:15:38):
All Right, Jeff do you want to talk about the
types of sweet Selici.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
Or I already did.

Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
Oh sorry, I was you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
He was off looking for Lee Jordan's missing scooter.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
Ah oh, that's great, all

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