AI, Co‑Hosts, and Keeping It Human

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Dave Jackson (00:00):
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Yeah, I can we the chat room is all saying, yes,
we can all relate to backproblems because they suck.
And my favorite is I I oncebent over, because I used to
think it was when I was pickingup things that were heavy, and I
once bent over to pick up aguitar pick, and my back just
went and I was like, okay, it'snot the heaviness, it's there's

(03:31):
something wrong with my back.

But no, no, yeah.
I'm gonna do I've been doing alot of stretching, been doing a
lot of you know, a lot of a lotof Pilates.
No, I know we're not supposedto admit that, but a lot of
Pilates, a lot of that kind ofstuff.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I Ralph says, Are you gray,Dave?
Yes, I think that's what it'syeah, it's called getting old.
And it is always the fun ofthat.
We're still here on Saturday,we're still making it happen.
So that's it.
Buckle up.
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If you want to jump in, also weare I I'm we remember how David
Letterman used to have theworld's most dangerous band was
the name of Paul Schaefer'sband.
And I'm trying to come up witha name for the chat room because
I can't call it, you know, Ithink I called it today the
funnest chat room on theinternet.

Okay, there I think I think that's pretty
accurate.
They're they do they do prettywell.
Yeah.

Well, here's the the question that uh came up,
and I was like, maybe we'll openwith this one.
Have you heard what Gary V hassaid?
Because you know, did it havethe F-word in it?
Or uh probably back to lastweek.
Yeah.
No, Gary V is not because youknow, Gary V is a podcast uh
guru, and he's you know he knowseverything about everything.
Oh sure.

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Yeah, he says the next kind ofcrop of podcasters will have an
AI co-host.
No, yeah, I I I almost agreewith that in some ways.
You can't do that.
I could see it being done.
The question is, does anybodywant to hear that?
And I think it's a little bitlike audiograms, where at first
it'll be like, oh, this isdifferent.

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Look, he's he's got a you know,AI co-host, and then when
everybody has an AI co-host,we'll all kind of go, eh, I'd
rather just hear him talk to aperson.
I don't know.

What do you think?
Uh I think there'll become atime you won't be able to tell,
to be honest.
If either or the whole group.
You know, it may make you know,AI hosts might make round table
discussions tolerable.
Because you know, there'salways that round table where
there's the one guy, and thatwas usually me, who talked too

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much and didn't give anybodyelse the right amount of time in
the round table.
Or, you know, I I I think therecould there could be a day when
we we don't see the difference.
I'm I think we're really,really close.
I mean, you know, I talk to AIevery day.
It's a it's a debrief session.
I do it.
A lot of people think I'mweird, and I kind of am, but I
do it because I want to see, Iwant to see where the AI is at.

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Like I I keep wanting to try,so I've I've tried the you know,
the Googles and thePerplexities and the Rock and
Copilot and Chat GPT.
I try them all the time.
And the voice pieces on themcontinue to get better, Dave.
I I don't like I said, I Ithink I think that's a very I
I've thought about that.
I mean I I went solo this weekand I thought, oh maybe this is

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another week I bring in, youknow, I call him Mick, my my
co-host.
Maybe, maybe Mick joins metonight.
I I'm I'm gonna do it.
I would have to get the the theRodcaster Pro if I was gonna do
it right.
You showed me how that that'sjust drop dead simple.
So I think for what I'm gonnado, I'd have to get some
equipment to do it.
Yeah, I think I think there's aday.
What I'm uh not a big fan of,and I want you to respond to

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this one, is the L the notebookLLM stuff.
Yeah.
Where you give it, you give itsome content and then it makes a
podcast for you.
That doesn't have anyspontaneity, doesn't have any
feel of humans, there's nobreathing, there's no and then
they're I think they're addingsome of that stuff in it.
There's no it's it's toopredictable.

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It's too that's why I think onehuman co-host or one human host
is kind of the way to go.
So you at least to have some,you know, uh what would you call
it?
Spontaneity, I guess.

Yeah.
Well, there's there's also alittle bit of I wonder what it's
going to say to it.
If a listener knows that theco-host is is AI and you're
like, well, what do you think?
What was the thing on BuckRogers?
Remember I had that weirdlittle thing that would go beep
beep bee.
Tweaky.
Tweaky.

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What do you think?
Tweaky?
I don't know.
Tweaky, I thought was the beta,beta, bitter, beta, beta.
That one?
Yeah.
Yeah, that one.
It was Tweaky.
Tweaky sounds like a nicknamefor that guy on Coke at the end
of the street.
You know, it's like but uhanyway, you know, it was always
you have that aspect of I wonderwhat the robot's gonna say.

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Tweak.
Danny Yeah.
Twiggy was a she was in the 60son Laughing.
I'm sure it was Tweaky.
Maybe it was Twiggy.
Yeah, I think it was.
No, I think it was Tweaky.

Yeah.

I'm gonna look it up.
You keep talking, I'm gonnalook it up.
Well, Danny Brown says somepeople might prefer AI co-host
as opposed to some of thepodcast gurus in quotation marks
peddling their crud.
Yeah, there's I heard adiscussion.
They were who was I listeningto?
That they were saying, Oh, itwas podcasting 2.0, yes.
Chris from castahead.net, bittybitty, bitty, biddy.

(08:42):
Yes, of course.

And there's a heat it is tweaky, by the way.
Tweak W I K.

T-K-I, yeah, there we go.
Jeff C says, I would love loveduh notebook LM in college.
I'm an audio learner, so havinga personalized podcast to study
with would have been awesome.
I I've used that in the past.
I remember once I had aninterview and I hadn't read the
person's book yet, and I waslike, oh, great, because I

(09:08):
always like to read the bookfirst.
And so they'd given me a PDF ofthe book, so I just uploaded to
it, and it wasn't so much theKyle and Sheila show that I
listened to, but it came up withquestions, it summarized it, so
I felt like I, you know,obviously I hadn't read the
book, but I had a pretty goodgist of what it was, and I could

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ask the questions that myaudience would want me to ask
from this author.
So as a research tool, I waslike, man, that just saved me
just a boatload of time.
Danny says, why do we even haveto consider AI taking part in
everything?
Creativity is human emotion.
AI has its place for solutions,but I can't see true human

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emotion ever being replicated.
That's a good point.
You know, there are some thingslike do we have to put AI in
everything?
I I I think it was last weekand I mentioned that you know,
we put AI into Canva and theprice went up.
We put AI into script and itdid the price went up.
And it's like, you know, AI isnot cheap.
That's one of the things thatthey're when I listened to No

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Agenda, they talk, they are orno, it was podcasting 2.0.
They're talking about all thepower it takes to power these
data centers is kind of turninginto a problem.
And so that was kind of theirtheir part was like, do we do we
really need to stick AI ineverything?
You know, Frosted Flakes, notwith AI.
And Dan from Based on a TrueStory Podcast, uh, in my honest

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opinion, human listeners willconnect to human emotion.
So there should be at least onehuman host for that connection.
Yeah, that's yeah, it it Ithink it depends on.

I've been talking to them longer.
I think they're getting Ilisten, I wouldn't say it's
human like, but I think they'reunderstanding how to relate at
least from a conversationallevel, how they're how they're
you know, they're they're justrelating a little bit better.
And and I think that even thatwill eventually go away.
Like I I there's gonna I thinkat some point there's gonna come

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a time, and we're close, butit'll be hard to differentiate.
Like you'll just be like, wasthat was that real?
Who is that a real thing?
Yeah.
You know, it's gonna get it'sgonna get more difficult.
We're not there today, butyeah, we're getting closer for
sure.

Rich Graham points out, I forgot about this.
You can interrupt uh NotebookLM, you know, good old Kyle and
Sheila, and ask them a question.
And it's kind of funny becauseif you keep doing it, they start
to sound a little annoyed.
Like, hey, we're we're talkinghere.
Hey, could you stop botheringus?
Yeah.
Ralph says, I recently startedtaking my podcast daily plan and

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putting it into you know LLMand listen to it as prep.
Yeah, I've I've done that inthe past.
I I fed it a episode and said,What could we have done better?
And it it and so again, not somuch on an emotional level, but
on a technical level, it's like,hey, you guys use a lot of
jargon.
And I was like, Well, yeah,that's a good point.

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But for our target audience,that's not jargon, that's just
the way we talk.
So you have to kind of you knowdo that whole nine yards.
Yeah.
Ralph says, I just released ashow about that very AI, oh it
thing, AI topic last week.
And so far on YouTube I've had110,000 views.
There you go.
So some people seem to agreewith you.

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Yeah, it's it's it's gonna betricky to see what happens.
I know somebody came up theytook like you know, i i they
took every 13-year-old boy'sdream and said, Hey, if you
could design a female, whatwould it look like?
And it's Tilly somebody, uhthis AI person, and I guess
they're I I think somebody saidshe has an agent and she wants

(12:54):
to be an actress, but it's an AIperson.
And I was like, uh I don'tknow.
John Jamay.
Now this I gotta see.
I just saw Mr.
Rogers and Tupac sitting on acouch talking to each other, and
it looked very real.

Yeah.
So yeah.
Yeah, we're gonna have a hardtime in the future, we're gonna
have a hard time figuring itout.
I mean, it's that's it's gonnabe this will be a crisis at some
point.
This identity, this idea ofidentity.
This I this idea of what isactually real.
You know, we when the matrixcame out in 1999, I mean that's
like the premise, right?
Like what's real and what'snot.

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And you know, if you if you ifyou're always in a dream and you
can't wake up from it, is itany different than reality?
I mean, that's kind of theconcept of the matrix.
Yeah.
And so if you're if your wholeworld is based on AI, is it
could could you could you tellthe difference?
Right?
And so I think uh we're we'rewe've got a lot more excess

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existential conversations tohave about this.
What I think some of theinteresting things, you know, I
think Elon is working on someconnectables to your to our
bodies, to our brains that youcan plug some things in and and
you know, get a digital assist.
That could be interestingbecause you know what what makes

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us what makes us great humanbeings doesn't necessarily make
us the best fastest thinkers,right?
Like the way our brains aremade, or they're not designed
necessarily to be to thinkstraight logically or however
like computers think and speed.
They also we also don't havethe ability to consume calories
to speed them up like computersdo.

(14:35):
I think this is a lot of youknow a lot of folks don't
realize.
Like you you need, I mean,those computers, they're not
doing this for free.
They're burning, you know,they're burning calories, so to
speak.
And we can't continue toreplace things in our body that
allow us to go faster because wedon't have the physical plant.
You know, our body isn't aphysical plant.

(14:55):
But imagine if we could strapon a battery, right?
And on our back and then haveimplants that help us do some of
that, speed up some becausethat's what would have to
happen, right?
You can't get you can't getsomething for nothing or your
chicks for free.
I mean, you just can't, youcan't do that.

(15:15):
Now you're gonna have sting inyour head all afternoon.
You're welcome.
Yeah.
So it's so it's just uh I we'regonna have to solve for for us
and thinking and some of thosethings for human evol as we
evolve in that, we're gonna haveto fix an energy problem, which
is yeah, you know, withcomputers, we just keep adding
more power to them, but thehuman body can't do that.

(15:38):
Right.
So we're gonna have to solvefor that problem as well.

Yeah, Ralph says, if you want to have some fun,
ask AI to give you their bestanswers, then ask them to tell
you why their answers suck.
He said, I did that and it wasfunny.
Some other AI things here.
Randy said, My favorite hasbeen WWE AI videos people have
been making where it's big bossversus Mr.
Rogers and a table and laddersand chairs match.

(16:03):
That looks interesting.
Stephen Hawking on the halfpipe at the X Games is
hilarious.
Rich Graham says, I'm playingwith the Sora app.
Yeah, that that came out andimmediately people are like,
wait, you're using copyrightedthings that it said it wasn't
gonna do.
To which Danny says, Yeah,nope.
Yeah, Dan has a great point.

(16:23):
Humans have to learn to talk toeach other more to have those
conversations, though.
We're getting worse and worseat that as a society.
And I can say when I was atLipson, one of the reasons I got
promoted was I know how totalk.
And, you know, we had otherpeople on our tech support team,
which are great and they'revery knowledgeable and they're
really great at tech support,but they also play a ton of

(16:46):
video games, and that doesn'tmean, you know, but what I mean
by that is they don't spend alot of time talking to people.
Not that if you're a videogame, you don't know how to
talk.
Yeah, and then Jason's like,no, no, that was dire straits.
It wasn't Sting, but it wasSting going, I want my MTV in
the back of that.

Well, and he sang the money for nothing.
He's the feature on that song.
Yeah, that's the I mean that'sthe amazing thing on that song.
He he made that song.

Yeah, yeah, and then Danny says, Yeah, we used
to learn from each other, livedexperiences, now we push that
off to a bot, you know, a weekold.
Yeah, it's it's gonna beinteresting to see.
Yeah, I see here.

But it's not a week old.
Here's the thing I mean, it hascollective experiences, yeah,
right.
I mean, it has millions ofcollective experiences that it's
taken from us.
That's the thing, right?
You know, it's it's beentrained on all the stuff that we
put out there, so it's not likeit's a baby.
I mean, it's got a lot, it hasa lot of knowledge, a lot of a

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lot of shared experiences, and alot of opinions.

Yeah.

I mean, um yeah, so it has been established.
Sting sung the hook, to whichJason Bryant says, Look, man, I
was six when that song came out.
But this, I thought this was amistake.
Dan Lefebv says, RobinWilliams' daughter publicly
asked people to stop making herdad in AI.
It's too heartbreaking for herto see.
And I'm like, man, you don'tknow how internet trolls work.

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You just basically said to theworld, please make AI things.
And I was like, oh, yeah.
Well, speaking of that, I gottroll, not so much trolled.
Well, yeah, kind of trolled.
And this is where I always tellpeople, don't feed the trolls.
And on Reddit, this guy, I foreven forget what his question
was.
Oh, my show has gotten bigenough to where I can get big

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guests, but these big guestswant to have interviews when I'm
working during the day at myday job.
To which I originally said,Well, this is why I do solo
shows.
To which he said, That's nothelpful.
And I was like, you know what?
You're right, I'm sorry.
Here's what I used to do.
I would take a microphone towork and interview people on my
lunch, to which he then cameback and said, That sounded very

(18:57):
copied and pasted.
You're not very helpful, blah,blah, blah.
He just kept being a dick.
And I I here's the problem.
If you have an educationalbrain, you think everything can
be fixed with education.
For sure.
And it looks like you're tryingto get the last word.
And what it is, is I think, oh,uh, he just needs to hear this.

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And then the light bulb willcome on, and we will both see
the errors of both our ways, andand communication will happen.
And I would throw it out.
And even the last one, thiswent back like three or four
times, and I was like, hedoesn't feel heard.
Like, okay, that's the problem.
So I replied and I said, youknow, it sucks that you've
worked this hard to get the showthis big.

(19:38):
And that and that nobody thatthat you're now being hindered
by your day job, that's got tobe really frustrating and blah,
blah, blah.
You know, and I just wish youall the best in whatever you do.
And I so that was it.
I didn't even say what to do.
I just said, hey, that sucks.
I'm right.
And his reply was, please quitreplying.
I'm not even reading these.
And I was like, oh, this nowthat is troll.

(20:01):
That's like you hear you likeoh yeah, that's that's and I was
just and that at that point,and he said, please quit
responding.
And it took everything I had,because then I was triggered to
not put gladly, just so I couldget the last.
And I was like, no, no, thisguy doesn't so don't yeah, don't
feed the trolls, and also noteverything can be fixed because

(20:24):
some people don't want to beeducated.

Well, we have this in in our podcast, we have this
where you know we've talkedabout this with you with uh
listener feedback, and you know,you'll get uh you'll get a
listener who really wants toturn your show into their show.
And it's like so you keepgetting advice from them, hey,
could you do this, could you dothat?
I'm gonna do that.
And at some point you're like,you know, no, I'm not gonna.

(20:48):
And it's okay.
Like, it's okay if you go.
You know, we don't we don't allhave to be it, you know, if
you're even as a listener ofsome things, if you're if you're
doing something and it's notlike what you want, go do
something different, friends.
Right, yeah, go find someonewho is meeting.

(21:09):
Doing that, yeah.
Yeah, those kinds of things.
But it it's a it's a weird, uh,weird's the wrong word.
It's an interesting dynamicthat we have.
That this is back to the AI andthe humanness of it.
This is definitely a humanthing that we do.
It's like, no, but I want youto listen to me.
Like, and then you're like, Iam listening.
And then at that point there'sa rift, and it doesn't nobody's

(21:30):
listening to anybody anymore,you know, kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, AI would definitely notdo that to you.
AI would have said, Of course,Dave, I love everything.
Everything you're doing.
Yes, it's amazing.
For being you, you had me athello, Jerry McGuire.

Going back to everybody's favorite song, what
is the name of that song?
Money for nothing, I guess.
Money for nothing.
Yeah, money for nothing.
Sting was vacation,coincidentally, at the Caribbean
island where Dire Straits wasrecording.
He showed up and Mark Knofflerasked him to sing I Want My MTV
with the same melody as the withthe same melody as the police,
Don't Stand So Close to Me.

(22:05):
Oh, yeah.
I never knew that.

That might have put Dire Straits back on the
map, by the way.
Oh, I think that's the one.
They were right, they they wereon the way out, right, for for
the most part, and that songprobably brought them back.

Well, they had some song about Roller Skate
Girl or something, I forget whatit was.
And I just know because I atthat time in my life, it was
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, OzzieOsborne, and here comes along
Mark Knoffler, and his sound isso clean, and he doesn't even
use a pick, and I was he'sactually a really good guitar
player, but at the time I didn'tsee it.
I just know it wasn't people,you know, singing like they just

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got, you know, bit by a pitpull, so I wasn't into it.

Well, it's it from a podcasting standpoint, it is
a good point that you there maybe a time you have to kind of
keep your your head on a swivelwith your guests.
Like there may be a momentwhere you get this opportunity
to interview or to yeah, tointerview someone or have
somebody on your show andthey're out of your league.
Right.
Right.
Or they they are they're thenew and the the the better the

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better analogy is probablythey're the up and coming
because at that point direstraits was on their way out and
and the police and Sting wereon their way in for sure, right?
And so it would have been easyfor the old guys, so to speak,
to be like, oh these young kids,I don't know about these kids
singing this new fangled music,you know, and and in some I mean

(23:29):
like that was a that was Imean, there's some yeah, that
was amazing.

Well, the the king of that is Carlos Santana.
Carlos Santana was you knowfamous in the 70s at Woodstock
and things like that, but laterhe teamed up with the guy from
Matchbox 20 and did that thing,and then for a while he just
kept uh Madonna's another onethat's done duets.

(23:54):
Right now, it's funny they'recalling it Aerosmith, but
apparently it's just StevenTyler and Joe Perry from
Aerosmith just did a song withthis guy named Youngblood, what
his nickname is Youngblood, hisreal name is Dom something, who
got a big boost because it turnsout he was friends with Ozzie
Osborne and got to sing at hislast event.

(24:16):
And here's a fun thing nobodyannounced him.
I was just watching aninterview about that.
He goes, the guy before you issupposed to announce the guy
coming on, whoever it is.
So it's like, ladies andgentlemen, hailstorm, and ladies
and gentlemen, Metallica,whoever.
And he goes, the guy just wavedhis hands and walked off, and
he goes, and I'm going on atthree o'clock in the afternoon,

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and he goes, Oh, and I'm singinga ballad.
And he's like, So, and I wentback and re-watched that, and he
really took that song and kindof made it his own.
In fact, towards the end, he hekind of made up his own little
melody, and everybody's like,Who is this guy?
And it's interesting becausewhoever does his PR is going

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like they're like, Okay, we gotto strike while the iron's hot.
Like, I just saw him on likeGood Morning Sunday or
something, you know what I mean?
It's like one of those, and I'mlike, he was on Bill Maher, and
I finally went and listened tohis music, and I'm like, well,
nobody's playing.
Usually they'll be like, youknow, and I was on tour and I
was doing this, and then they'llplay a clip of him singing
something.
Nobody's doing that.

(25:20):
I'm like, do you not want tohave to pay to play the
10-second clip of his song?
And he's not bad, but I justthought uh I was like, oh,
there's the Aerosmith doing theCarlos Santana thing with hey,
we're not relevant anymore.
Let's find because he has liketwo billion people on Instagram
or something.
It's some ridiculous Santana?
No, this Youngblood.

(25:41):
This Youngblood clid, yeah.
So yeah.
Yeah.
But listen, Carlo.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.
So yeah, Jeff says every guestI have is on my league.
And then Youngblood, DannyBrown says, is super talented.
Yeah, that's what I'm findingout.
And he seems to be wiser thanhis 28 years.
He seems to understand thatthis this is this whole thing
that I'm in right now isprobably gonna chew me up and
spit me out, but I'm gonna do mybest to ride the wave I have.

(26:10):
So and he's already gotten, youknow, the minute he I guess he
was on the MTV music awards, andthen people were saying he was
just riding Ozzy's coattails,and it's like, you know, anytime
you get up in the top, all theother crabs are gonna try to
pull you down, and it wasinteresting.

So but Carlos Santana's an interesting guy
because he I think he's had ahit in every decade for the last
four decades, right?
And he's a guy who he refusesto to change his who he is.
Like yet he's he he has inthese four decades, he's created

(26:48):
hits that have been very, verydifferent, but he's still Carlos
Santana.
Like I listen, the the onlyreason like this is obscure, but
we have I have a Pandorachannel that's just Santana
stuff.
Wow.
And yeah, it's his guitarplaying is amazing.
Yeah, and it makes the greatestdeck music.
Like, you know, if you'resitting there, oh I bet it's

(27:11):
it's it's the most amazingmusic.
So and whenever we're out, whenthe kids are over and around on
the deck and we're enjoying,you know, enjoying time
together.
Oftentimes Santana's playing inthe background, and he's got
such a variety, and yet youalways know when he's playing
the guitar, you know it'sSantana.
Like you're like, that's Carlosfor sure.

That to me is the sign of a great guitar player.
I was listening to some channelonce, and this guy comes on,
never heard of him, and I go,Man, somebody is doing a really
good Neil Schoen, who is theguitar player for Journey, who
got his start at the age of 15in what band?
Santana.
But and I'm like, somebody'sdoing a really good Neil Schoen

(27:53):
imitation.
And so I go over and I'm like,who is this band?
And I look at it, blah, blah,blah.
And oh, by the way, specialappearance by Neil Schoen.
And I'm like, it wasn't animitation, it was him.
And I was like, Man, that'sthat's when you know you've got
your own thing going on.

Well, but this is there's a there's a principle
here, right?
And and when you find yourthing, go for it.
Like lean into it, use it toyour advantage, like become
known for it.
Uh, don't don't shy away fromit.
Don't, you know, oh,podcasting's moving in this
direction, so I need to change.
Well, you need to change some,right?
But you you do the best of youall the time.

(28:29):
You be to be honest, uh to behonest, there we go.
I had a little stroke there fora second.
To be honest, that's what youraudience, sorry, that's what
your audience is waiting for.
They're waiting for you.
That's why they're there.
They want you, they want theauthentic you.
They don't want some, you know,somebody with a radio voice, or
they don't want, unless you dothat all the time.

(28:50):
They don't want somebody, youknow, some goofball when you're
not really a goofball.
Like they want you, be theauthentic you.
And all these, all these reallytalented folks, you know,
there's a lot of the key totheir success for long term is
they were just they theycontinue to be true to who they
were.
And so be true to who you are.

That's it.
And continuing on with the sixgames or six, what how's that
six degrees of separation fromRich Graham says, My wife's
uncle married Santana's sisterback in the 60s.
Carlos played the wedding, andthe wife's dad bartended.
That would be awesome.

Yeah, that would be dream come true to have
Santana just play at any eventwould be would be that'd be
great.

So uh here's a here's a counterpoint.
So what you're saying, Ralphsays, people always tell me that
I'm an a-hole, so I will justlean into being an authentic
a-hole.
Gotta be known for something.
I mean, that that was HowardStern for many years.

For sure.
For sure.
You know, and he just and Yeah,just be ready for the backlash.
Right, you know, this is thisis some of the, you know, when
when we take a controversialopinion or when we take you know
when we go that route.
I mean this is I I don't likelike who's the money guy?
Why am I Dave Ramsey?
Dave Ramsey.
Dave Ramsey's kind of gotten alittle cremogeny.

Yeah.
I don't I don't I'm losing mypatience with you.
You're about as dumb as a boxof yeah.

That's just not my style, right?
I I kind of quit listening tohim because of that.
So don't don't expect you knoweverybody's gonna love that.
But yeah, I mean if that's whatyou want to do.
I know you're joking Ralph butor maybe not.
I mean if that's what you wantto do, uh jump in the pool.
Just know what you're gettingyourself into.
You know if you're gonna a lotof folks want to be a troll on
the internet but don't want tobe trolled.

(30:43):
You ever trolled a troll?
That never goes well.
Like they lose their collectivestuff, right?

I I was you know I was tempted the guy that
trolled me I had copied hisquestion for this show and I was
like oh there's his name Iforgot what his name was and I
was tempted to go follow him andI'm like you know what there
are better things to do withyour time.
Dan Lefebv says Gordon Ramsayright there's a guy not known
for his patience and subtletiesright and so if you want

(31:14):
somebody to yell at you GordonRamsay if he's not available
Simon Cow you know these arepeople that Gordon Ramsey's an
act I think he's actually afairly nice guy.

Like I've seen him in just regular interviews and
he's just normal I think he'sfigured out this persona to that
uh to be this way.
Now I don't know I could bewrong.

Right but but you know Danny Danny Brown says
being Scottish helps you'reexpected to be a grumpy a-hole
if it's not a Scottish it wascrap remember this language was
designed to be angry I'm prettysure it was first used just to
be angry.
Morton Downey Jr had a latenight show where people loved
him and he was a real jerk butit seems to yeah yeah and then

(32:00):
after a while it's funny becausewhat makes you you you're gonna
get your audience and there'llbe a time when you go to grow
your audience and the peoplethat like that stuff have found
you and that's it.
Like you either like me or youdon't you kind of drew I
remember when Leo Laporte likeone of the earliest podcasters

(32:22):
and one of the first big waveswas tech shows because you had
to be a nerd to to make themthat was me.
I came in and those days no Iwas listening to Leo back in the
day and then there came a pointwhere Leo was like hey I I
think podcasting isn't growingwell no Leo you're not growing
like all the nerds have foundyou and they love you and you've

(32:43):
got this audience but then camethe serials and all the other
the comedians and all that andit continued to boom right but
like Leo I think everybody who'sgonna find you has has found
you at that point.
So that's the the thing aboutthat I mean Andrew Dice Clay is
another guy right that youeither loved him or you hated
him but he was offensive if youdidn't like him and he was

(33:03):
amazing if you know you weren'tso well and mark mark Barron is
a good example of this too rightand I think he's he's call he's
calling it right but he he'smade his run that's it you know
he's done his thing it's it atsome point too you're kind of
like I've kind of done my thing.

Unless you know even at some point you know
Carson went said okay I think II think I'm done here.
Now he's he's an example of ahe he picked a format he was he
definitely Carson definitely hada persona that he was on the
air like so this this isprobably this is probably an
example where it kind of provesme wrong.

(33:41):
Carson on air and Carson inperson are two different people
right I mean they're similar forbut they're pretty different.
I mean he was he was prettyclean and he was pretty not
controversial at all and youknow pretty mainstream and
that's what he chose to be forhis persona.
His personal life was notnecessarily no that clean not

(34:02):
known for that clean that soberand and kind of an a-hole yeah
amazing he could keep that goingas long as he did right because
usually that doesn't thatdoesn't work.

No social media back then for sure yeah for sure
so yeah well you mentioned MarkMarin you didn't even know this
was one of the questions sothanks for the teeing this up
you're you're welcome.
Is it time to quit 200 episodeslater I have a parenting
podcast that I started inFebruary 2022.
So he's been going a littleover you know three years.
It's almost at 200 episodes andI'm discouraged by the lack of

(34:37):
growth in downloads.
On average there are about 1700downloads monthly about 250 per
episode so he's above averageabout 28K listeners all time I
know that the podcast brings insome new clients but mostly it's
a resource for my currentclients as a tool for
reinforcing the parent uh theparenting approach I teach.

(35:00):
So it's it's got a purpose theformat is primarily a 30 minute
lesson on a topic with apractical strategies to apply
about once a month I have aguest the interviews don't do
better or worse than thenon-interviews I get a lot of
interview requests.
Yes welcome to podcasting withthe with the market saturated
that's the one I'm like okayespecially in my niche of

(35:23):
parenting I wonder if it's timeto let it go and so number one
I'm not buying the saturatedthing I I don't know it's maybe
right because I know there's alot I mean a lot of golf
podcasts and I remember a guyonce at Libson that started a
show about golfing he launchedit he built a website and then

(35:47):
wanted to know when he went toGoogle and typed in golf he
wasn't the number one result.
And that my friends is a wholeother episode on how SEO works
and just because you're on theinternet doesn't mean oh look
Jim's the the last person thatthat published something about
golf he should go right to thetop I'm like that is not how

(36:08):
that works but everybody kind ofsaid I I went over to that
Reddit and I kind of said thesame thing.
I'm like wait a minute is it ifit's bringing you clients like
why are you doing this?
That's really the the thingbecause anytime somebody says
should I quit I'm like what wasthe purpose of the show and if
they go I don't know I justeverybody thought I should start

(36:30):
a podcast okay that's notreally a reason to start you
know but like how are youmeasuring your success but
everybody said look if if youdon't want to do this anymore
like if you're not having funstop you know so but to me the
fact that it's bringing himclients he's got you know 250
people an episode that's uh Idon't know 15 something like

(36:53):
that uh classrooms you know it'sa lot of people you know that's
one of those where you want togo to a theater that holds 300
and like I was in a theater lastnight I went to the movies and
that probably held I don't knowprobably 300 maybe that that's a
lot of people that are therebut if you're not having fun
then yeah then either take abreak and let people know you're

(37:15):
coming back in two months orsomething like that.
But why haven't you quit Jimlet's go that route like with
home gadget geeks you've had ohman you you had some spells
there where where you know yourco-hosts and everything you had
some really you know sadsituations and things like that.
What what what keeps you going?

That's a good question.
I I don't know I don't want toI get to the point where I'm
like I think we're done here andthen I can't do it.
I can't pull the trigger tostop.
I'm like we record anotherepisode or somebody contacts me
and says hey I'd love to youknow I'd love to come on and
talk about this or I mean theother night my you know
Christian Johnson was on and wejust had a really great episode

(37:55):
and I'm like this is what I loveabout podcasting.

Right.

You know and I just get reminded how much fun
it is for me the joy is in theis in the interview not in all
the production stuff.
And so I mean I do it because Ihave to but honestly some
points I'd like to just be ableto do an interview and just
leave it.
Like not do any any productionany podcast stuff just leave it
on YouTube.
It's fine.

(38:20):
I don't really care about thatstuff.
I did it for the interview nowthe guests expect a little bit
of promotion.
So you know you got to do someof that.
But yeah it's a good it's agood question Dave I I I keep
questioning myself it's been 15years I've done everything that
needs to be done but then I looklike I I look at a franchise
like CSI and you're like they'vedone everything they've that
could be done and yet they stillcontinue right I mean there's

(38:43):
still these CSI crime shows keeppopping up and people keep
consuming them.
You know and you're like wellokay the the key is I think is I
do it because I love I mean Ilove the interview.
I love to do that part.
The other things I just dobecause that's that's the that's
part of the business.
But you know and I'm I listenI'm there's some it's

(39:04):
interesting at work I'm doing2026 I'll do less podcasting at
work than I've done in the past.
But the podcast style of what Ido is not going away we're just
deploying it into a differentinto a different medium that
won't technically be podcasting.
But it's still me doing thatwork which is me interviewing

(39:25):
people.
That's what I love to do.
I mean I just love to haveconversations with people.
So it's why it's why you and Iget along so well is because I
love to have these conversationswith you on Saturday mornings.
I mean you know I just I I loveit.
So anyways I I think the shortanswer is I still love to do it.

Yeah that's it.
Well that's it.

When you don't like doing it then you know no
thank you you know it's never itthings are never perfect.

You're not ever gonna love the whole process
right no there's always gonnaright there's gonna be some time
when something you like somepeople love to talk into the mic
other people well hopefullythey love to talk into the mic
but then other people like I'mweird.
I love editing I think it's funI think it's creative other
weird that is weird other peopleare like no thank you you know

(40:13):
so that's why this show worksbecause I hate editing and you
do all the editing.
That's it.
Well and now Buzzsprout isdoing a lot of the editing I'm I
turned on their automatic umremoval thing.
Okay.
So yeah Danny says one of thebest advantages or biggest
advantages of being an indiepodcaster no major stakeholders

(40:34):
yes to satisfy I don't know thatI ever want to work for another
publicly traded company.
So if something isn't workingquit and go again with no
pressure to return a money ofbrand investment.
And then later he said he's sotired of hearing there are too
many podcasts do people thinkthere are too many books, movies
and TV shows?
Yeah that's where I'm like golook at blogs kids go see how

(40:57):
many blogs are on the internetand nobody says well I was going
to start a I was going to writea blog today but there are too
many.
Nobody says that so why is itthat we think you know and I
realize there's a study thatcame out that said the average
listener listens to has like ashelf they called it a shelf of
podcast of around three shows.

(41:19):
So like you might listen tofive episodes a week but it's
coming from these three shows.
And I'm like well okay but Aone of those shows is going to
quit eventually and so you knowin the same way that people
still you know played theposition of quarterback when Tom
Brady was still playing it'slike well I can't play because

(41:40):
I'm never going to be Tom Bradywell you're not gonna be
anything if you don't play youknow so yeah I I think because
if you think about it how manyfitness books are being scrubbed
right now right that they'reworking on the final thing
because in three months they'regonna release a book on how you
can not change the way you eatand not exercise and lose weight

(42:05):
that is coming because it comesevery January it's the whatever
it's the it's the jerky dietjust eat beef jerky you will
drop weight you don't have toexercise you don't have the only
thing you have to do is eatbeef jerky and that it's you
know and every year people buythose so I'm with Danny there's
still you know I can I hot takehot take oh here we go for this

(42:30):
again do we have do we havemusic I don't think music no I
thought you were I was looking Iwas I was like I got I got rim
shot I'm like that doesn'treally fit in yeah we go the hot
take horn we'll figure it outyeah the hot take horn I think
there are too many books and Ido think there are too many
podcasts but yes I said that Ithink there's too many podcasts

(42:53):
but it not from a sense of oflike we shouldn't stop doing it.

You need we need we need as many people doing
what they're talented at doingit to get some of those to rise
up right and there's listenthere's value in the turkey diet
but there really isn't so thethe you know the the we we need
everybody doing their passionand some of those things will

(43:20):
rise up to be popular.
Now popularity is not alwaysthe the the best we I've talked
about that a lot before like ifyou get a popular podcast you
have a whole new host ofproblems that come in with that
you better be ready for thatright but but there are for for
the space what I think and thereason I say too many books and

(43:42):
too many podcasts is I think theaverage podcaster comes in and
says if I create a podcast allmy dreams are going to come true
and that's just that's just notthe case.
I I work with a lot of folkswho write a lot of books and
they you know they have thesehigh hopes for these books and
then they sell a hundred andthey're like yeah but you know
if they're lucky yeah if they'relucky oh I got oh okay I can't

(44:04):
I can't show that I can't showthat on TV the the so you yes
we're we're we're there are alot and there are too many but
we need that many out there andthe expectations of people
writing books or creatingpodcasts need to be set
accordingly is strive for yourbest see what you can do see how
far you can go a few of us aregoing to hit the magic you know

(44:26):
the get on the magic road ofsuccess I'm putting that in air
quotes whatever that is but thesheer volume of what's out there
is going to guarantee that mostof us are just going to be
average right we're just gonnahave you know a hundred to a
thousand downloads and andthat's just the way it is like

(44:47):
you can't we couldn't have ahundred thousand shows all like
Joe Rogan that just doesn'thappen.
It's just it's not gonna workthe the the media doesn't work
that way.
So but I think it's good thateverybody's trying right this is
the thing you know continue westill need everybody using their

(45:07):
talents to make great stuffbecause you never know remember
when uh I'll go back to CSIremember when the first CSI came
out and it was just amazing thethings like the the way they
would solve crimes in 15 minutesand they had all these cool
tools and like it was it wasincredible right and then was

(45:28):
that the guy with with thesunglasses no that's Miami that
was CSI Miami remember the onehe'd be like I'd call that a
hole in one and then the whowould come on it's like you know
yes yes I forget his name butbut we we we need that kind of
creativity because we didn'thave crime shows like that up

(45:49):
until that point right listenthe the the crime no true crime
right the true crime genredidn't take off until we got
cereal yeah right we neededserial but we needed thousands
of people trying to create thatthat that bright spot in the
space to to lead the way soothers could be oh oh okay this

(46:13):
is now a genre right we needed aLeo Laporte who would start a
podcast in a bar right and andfound the Twit network to really
get some of this going.
Even before that we needed JohnC.
Dvorak on make creating crankygeeks I don't know yeah nobody
remembers cranky geeks for themost part but yeah him and and

(46:33):
Patrick Norton and you know andhe would lead these things and
have these guests on that goesway back right but we needed
John C Dvorak to be doing thosekinds of things so I never want
to discourage anybody fromgetting into this just know your
know your place in this in thisworld you may listen you may be
the next thing but we wouldn'tknow that if you didn't try so

(46:55):
you gotta try yeah Chris fromcastahead.net says this guy
named Dave Jackson once said onmy podcast anyone can make a
podcast not everyone can make agood podcast which is still true
I believe good even even listeneven good I don't think Rogan's
podcast is good.
No I don't I don't either I I Idon't I don't find it like a

(47:17):
good podcast.
Now there's some interestingmoments in it.

That's it and that's why he does really good
on YouTube.
I don't watch his show becausethe bet here's the thing I don't
think people are realizing andI gotta find this study because
James Cridlin said that there'sa study that shows this that if
if you do a three hour show andout of that you pull three clips
that are each nine minuteslong.

(47:41):
So now we've got a half houryou know show of clips I kind of
it's like how many times haveyou seen a movie trailer then
you see the movie and you'relike oh crap the best parts were
in the trailer I didn't reallyneed to see the movie.
So I don't really listen to Joeunless it's somebody I really
want to hear every word comingout of their mouth because most

(48:01):
of the time the good stuff's inthe clips and even that I don't
they just you know occasionallyYouTube will throw it at me but
yeah Chris says I don't think weneeded CSI Chattanooga.
That's they didn't make CSIOmaha I was so hoping we would
get CSI Omaha I thought it wasjust going around the country
CSI Portland that's right CSINewark you know it's like Newark

(48:27):
my dad referred to Newark asthe armpit of America and I'm
like excellent yeah Craig fromAI Goes to College don't forget
about the intrinsic rewards ofpodcasting to put that in a less
geeky way something making thepodcast make sometimes making
the podcast is the payoff yeah Iwas sure they made a big point
of that at the Charlotte event Iwent to the empowered

(48:49):
podcasting conference they saidsometimes we get so focused on
the downloads like that's ourgoal I need more downloads that
we forget to enjoy the journeylike that was one of their
points like no like look you'reyou know you're enriching
people's lives you're growingyour network you're having fun
you're being creative and youkind of skip all that because
you're too busy going oh it onlywent up by you know I always

(49:13):
love the and at in the pod pageFacebook group if you don't
agree to the terms you don't getinto the group and it's kind of
a bummer every week I have todo a report on how do we do on
YouTube and how do we do on thisand I always go Facebook.
We add whatever it is you knowX amount of people and this week
we still have X amount ofpeople we have people sign up

(49:33):
but they don't agree to theterms and every time I do I let
them in because hey they've beenon Facebook for four years they
look like a real person youknow within weeks they're
spamming the group so if youdon't do the terms but you know
but so why do we still have aFacebook group?
Because part of it's really funand it's you know it's not all
about the numbers.
Danny says a quick way toreduce the too many podcasters

(49:56):
ask celebs to do all theresearch production and editing
yeah he made a great point hesaid a lot of the the kind of
where'd it go popularity inpodcasting is very skewed
towards the not the best yeah sothere you go.
Yeah I I I go kind of crazywhen I watch Joe Rogan and it's
not very often is because thewhole time I'm going why why is

(50:20):
this still in here?
Like why did they you know whenmy favorite is I just watched
one where they oh it was LionelRitchie talking about Michael
Jackson growing up and he and itwas weird because he said you
know here's when things startedgetting weird and I was like ooh
I didn't expect Lionel Richieto to say anything negative
about Michael Jackson and theywere showing a video and for

(50:43):
some reason they couldn't showthe video or parts of it so
there's a lot of the show wherethey're like you hear Lionel
Ritchie going watch he's gonnaspin here watch yeah that's okay
that's and like if you're notseeing that and even when I was
watching it they weren't showingthe video I was like why is
this in here?
And then finally he explainedthat his brothers did something

(51:06):
where they because he was thelittle kid and they had told him
that girls were coming to gethim and so he would run and hide
and that's when Lionel's likethat's when things got a little
weird he's like when the youknow like you find him in a
closet like why are you in thecloset?
He's like because the girls arecoming and it's like okay well
what's wrong with girls mybrother said that they're coming
to get me I'm like okay JohnJamango who's from New Jersey

(51:30):
says I call New Jersey the skintag of the United States I can't
I can say that because I'mbored and living in in New
Jersey.
Craig from AI Goes to CollegeSteve Jobs he thinks said the
journey is the reward yeahalthough I'm pretty sure he got
that saying from others thenalso he had you know billions in
the bank that's that I thinkthat's been said for a hundred

(51:52):
yeah a hundred thousand yearsright from that standpoint.

It it is listen there is a great there's great
value and great benefit into theprocess of things right and it
it always boils down toexpectations what do you what
are you trying to do here andwhat are you you know if if if
we take Hollywood as the exampleyou fail more than you succeed.
Oh that's just the and thensometimes you get hot right you

(52:18):
know back to CSI real quickJerry Breckheimer is that how he
pronounces it Breckheimer thatguy.
Like that guy everything hetouches for a while everything
he touched turned to gold rightand so you know you just he was
just a talent I mean he workedsuper hard during those during
you know the 2000 90s too I meanhe the the dude's been amazing

(52:42):
but he you know you just and youjust never know and there's
lots of failures in there.
And for every CSI there's 17shows that never made it that
were probably just as good butfor whatever reasons that didn't
have the right money didn'thave the couldn't didn't have
the right people to grease theskids didn't have you know
weren't it was the wrong timeyou know you you you start to

(53:06):
think like for things thatweren't ready you know you it's
just sometimes that's just luckyou know so there is a mod of
that that is just luck in someways.

For sure for sure you know let me see here.
We did that I'm trying to catchup with the uh chat room here.
Yeah Danny says his podcasterswill never know whose life was
made better at a time when theyneeded it you know just by
something we said that's ourlegacy and the success right
there.
Very much true.
Chrissy from creating greatgrooming dogs says uh

(53:41):
researching an episode is anexcellent for personal
development.
Yeah absolutely that's half thefun in my book.

Yeah and for us old guys it staves off dementia.
So you know there's that's itexactly there's that in there.
So gentlemen keep yourpodcasting going we we want you
to remember who we are so youcould show up on Saturdays.

That's right and for the old people it also helps
stems off dementia get it okayand also it helps stems off
dementia.
Okay so I mentioned it stemsoff dementia you know who
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(54:43):
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yeah are these people I've neverseen this slide before are they
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A gentleman in our space there's been a lot of
talk health wise about how doyou how do you there are things
you can do to prevent that asyou get older in in so there's a
lot of conversation about thatas well.
But if we if we did offend youwe we apologize for that that's
it's a very serious thing.

Yeah anyway I heard eating McDonald's helps
fend off the is that not true?

No I don't think that's true at all God it tastes
it tastes good for like 15seconds.
It's instant regret like if youever wanted to feel instant
regret Big Mac.

That's it that's why the word big is in there.
It's a big regret it's a bigregret big regard I think I
think we're still on season oneepisode 500 I think this is 548
if I remember right becausesomebody asked here hey all I'm
transitioning my podcast toseasons I have about 60 episodes
published can you share yourexperience doing this what do I

(59:07):
need to keep in mind I'mthinking of my first 60 episodes
will be season one and the nextbatch will be season two.
So to this I always ask whylike what is the benefit of
seasons and if we go back youbrought up serial we've talked
about it before that was reallythe first show I know of where
they said you know we're takinga break and they had a team of

(59:31):
like 19 people that was flyingall over the world and so
consequently they're like weneed a break and so I get it
that's why they made seasons andif if the idea is I need a
break, okay I get it.
But I just I'm of the weirdthing that I never take a break.
I just plan ahead.

(59:52):
So if like when we were when Iwas in Charlotte I just well
actually on this show we do takea break but on the school of
podcasting I haven't And I thinkpart of that is ego, and part
of that is it's fun to say I'venever missed an episode in a
thousand and five or whateverI'm up to.

Jim Collison (01:00:07):
Crazy Dave Jackson.
That is crazy.
Yeah.
So a thousand episodes andyou've never missed a week.

Dave Jackson (01:00:12):
No.
And I think part of it too islike I listened to Podcasting
2.0, although I I think I willstill listen to that show, but
it doesn't do what it did in theearly days.
I still love Dave and Adam, butit's more the let's talk
programming show now, not somuch podcasting 2.0.

(01:00:32):
And I'm just not getting muchout of it because I'm not a
programmer.
But every Friday I go toWalmart to grocery shop, and
that's the show I listened tobecause they released on Friday.
That's one of the few showsthat, hey, it's out, I'm going
to listen to it right now.
And when they like theyweren't, there was no show last
weekend.
Well, did I not grocery shop?

(01:00:53):
Did I somehow, you know, no?
I just found another show tolisten to.
And so to me, if that show isbetter than the show I'm
listening to, they might, goingback to that reference, they
might take your spot on theshelf.
Like, not that I'm never goingto listen to that show again,
but I might, that might not bemy first string go-to anymore

(01:01:15):
because you gave them a chanceto fill your spot.
So that's what one of thereasons why I try not to miss,
because it's not like, well, I Iwould listen to Dave in the car
on the way to work, but there'snothing here.
So I'm just going to listen insilence.
So that might just be my owninsecurity of being replaced or
what, but no, I think you havegood reasons.

Your show is thematic in the sense that
you're always talking aboutpodcasting.
And I think where seasons makesense, uh, one of them is
themes.
So you know, we have at Gallup,we have this Clipton Strengths
tool.
It has 34 themes.
We've created podcasts abouteach one of those themes each
year for the last 10 years.

(01:01:55):
And so it gives me anopportunity to say, oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, in season three of ThemeThursday, we covered this topic
for all themes.
And it just makes it easier tobreak down, you know, we created
theme pages for each one ofthose, where it was like season
or season pages, season three,season four, season five.

(01:02:16):
It broke down similar contentto to to into logical order.
So I think there's some momentsor some kinds of podcasts where
seasons are are very applicableand they make they make sense.
I don't think you need them totake a break, friends.
I mean, just take a break.
I mean, if you want to do itthat way, that's fine.
If you want to say, hey, thisis the I'm ending season one,

(01:02:37):
I'm gonna take a break for twomonths and come back for season
two.
If that makes sense for you andfor your audience, by all
means, but you can take a breakwithout having to change your
seasons.
You can just take a break, justtell your audience we're gonna
be gone for a while, we'll beback in November.
Like whatever.
But they're the seasons arereally good.
I mean, we've taken advantageof them.
Also, Dave, you know, we'vebeen podcasting, you know, we

(01:03:00):
had we've had enough podcast atGallup for 12 years.
And uh, and back through, youknow, at season or year three, I
thought, you know, we betterstart breaking these down by
something.
Otherwise, it's just gonna beone big giant pool of podcasts.
So we began, we went back andre-seasoned everything, a little
salt and pepper, re-seasoned itand and put put them together

(01:03:23):
in seasons.
And it also gave the abilityfor me, because we didn't use
episode numbers, to to havesomething to identify for me to
quickly identify that podcast.
Oh, that's season 12 episode.
Well, we did use episodenumbers, but they were in the
seasons, so you could say season12, episode 8.
I kind of knew where that wasin the mix.
So there's another reason, youknow, to to use seasons if you

(01:03:47):
if you think you're you're goingto.
It's not hard to do, and youjust have to decide, do you want
to do it?
The hardest part for mesometimes was not remembering to
put the season information inthe podcast when we published
it, right?
You know, you're like, oh yeah,that's right.
This one's got seasons.
So I think there's some I thinkthere's some logical and some
beneficial reasons to useseasons for you.

(01:04:09):
It doesn't, you're you'rethat's not I love that you have
a thousand episodes.
Like we have uh we're probablysix or seven hundred in over
those 12 years, and it'd begreat to say, yeah, here's 800.
So you you definitely use nothaving seasons to your advantage
by saying, I have a thousandepisodes.

Yeah, right.
Well, Danny says, as I did morepodcasting and recording, I
learned to make certain shows inseasons due to the research
needed, guest booking andrecordings.
And he says it's so nice to beable to switch off, unwind, and
see what's working and what'snot.
I'm waiting for the nextepisode of In and Around
Podcasting or anything featuringMark Asquith.

(01:04:48):
I love Danny's oh crap.
It's something one-minutepodcasting tips.
I think I got that right.
I just it's to me, it's theDanny short show, which is
getting longer.
I I know he said he was goingto start doing that, but yeah.
So tell Mr.
Asquith he has missed.
I always uh enjoy hearing histake because he's just got a a
wide range of history that uhand he usually is uh he's

(01:05:12):
another kind of without being ana-hole, a very much a straight
shooter kind of guy.
Yeah, Chris says, uh I'mrealizing that I have a few
favorite shows and a bunch ofbackup shows that I listen to.
Yeah, I have my first string,and this is why I usually was
not a fan of podcast apps thatmade a cue, but I now have I'm

(01:05:33):
using Pocket Cast.
And if you're kind of a firststring, it it automatically adds
you to the queue.
So I just keep listening andit's and then if I go in and I'm
like, oh, this is my last one,then I'll actually go in and
I'll go into my marketing showsand I'm like, oh, and then that
this is where titles really comeinto play.
And I'll like, oh, okay, thatlooks good.
Add it to the queue, add it tothe queue.

(01:05:55):
So I kind of have my do you doyou have any of that like that,
Jim?
First string and second stringpodcasts, or oh, for sure.

Yeah, no, for sure I do.
But lately I've only been ableto get with the time restraints,
I've just been able to get totwo of them.
You know, one of them are15-minute podcasts daily.
So those are the quick ones Ilisten to every day.
It's news related.
And then I've got a long formone that takes up the rest of
the time.
And so I don't get, I don'tnecessarily get a lot of time to
listen to other podcasts inthat way.

(01:06:22):
But it's just kind of based onmy now, maybe that now that I
have these new AirPods, maybe atwork.
I couldn't, I don't know aboutyou.
I can't work and listen topodcasts at the same time.
That's frustrates me, right?
I get I get frustrated becauseI'm trying to, you're trying to
do two things at once, and thenall of a sudden you realize, you
know, I haven't been listeningto this thing for like 25
minutes.
Yeah.

(01:06:43):
I have no idea what they'resaying because I was
concentrating on something else.
Contrary to belief, you wedon't multitask very well,
right?
Especially in that kind ofsituation.

Yeah, I thought at Pod Page I might be able to,
because there are some thingsthat I don't really need to
think too much to do, but it'sit's like you said, we think
we're multitasking, we're not.

No, it's okay.
It's background stuff.
It works, it just frustratedme.
When I used to run, I ran a lotin my 40s.
I couldn't listen to music whenI ran.
I was because running was sohard for me, I had to really
concentrate on it.
Yeah.
And the music just threw thatoff for some reason.
I know I'm weird.
It just was the way it is.

Well, my problem, I'd I'd probably want to run to
the beat.
So all of a sudden Metallicawould come on and I'd have a
heart attack.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I always loved running withother people.
I'd kind of do podcasts while Iwas running.
Like I'd run with other people,and all I do is ask them
questions.
You know, hey, so what's youknow, tell me a little bit about
this, and then they talk and Iwould be dying.
But I kept running with thembecause I wanted to, you know,
wanted to be in that crowd.
Yeah.
Um, and so yeah, it was it wasa it yeah, it's it's just I I do

(01:07:50):
like cues.
Like I I use those prettyheavily.
And then every once in a while,maybe the long form one I'm
listening to, they're uh they'relike, oh, I've heard too much
of them.
They they actually are like us,they repeat the same things
over and over again.
So I'm like, okay, I've hadenough of this.
I'm gonna go down to the thirdstring and pull pull one in that
I haven't listened to in awhile.

Yeah, Danny brings up a point.
Something I don't see often nowis the, and we will just say
Lexi, Lexi flash briefing beingused for latest episode feeds.
Is that still a thing?
It still is.
Mine is set up to kick off theweather and acronym.
There's like a daily Bibleverse, and then it's James
Cridlin.

(01:08:30):
I used to listen to thenewsworthy, but she quit doing
it because something yousomething to do with her
advertising.
But she quit it.
I'm here to tell you Lexi isgetting less and less useful.
Because I used to be able togo, hey, open up Pocket Cast,

(01:08:52):
and she'd say, Do you want tolisten to the latest episode?
And I get I would.
And then it's kind of funny.
She would say the whole name ofthe show.
So playing the latest episodeof Home Gadget Geeks, tagline,
tagline, tagline, tagline,tagline, tagline, tagline,
episode number it's like justgo, you know?
And I don't know what's goingon.

(01:09:12):
I she told me, well, first ofall, it's now Lexi Plus.
You gotta pay to get her to bebubbly and fun.

Well, it's included, isn't it?
It's included in the prime.

In Prime, right.
So if you have Prime, and butit just seems like there are
times like the other day, I'mliterally standing from me to
the teleprompter here, and Isaid, Hey, play 92.3 the fan,
because that's a sports stationI listened to.
And she played it from theliving room.
And I was like, Hey, why didyou play that from the living

(01:09:43):
room?
I'm standing right here.
And then the only thing I canthink of is it's under the
cupboards, and maybe theacoustics weren't great or what,
but I just it just seems likethere's more and more.
The only thing I use it for ismy grocery list and to tell me
what time it is when my handsare busy.

I don't know.
Are you do you use yours asmuch as you used to?
Oh, use it all the time, yeah.
But mostly timers and music,like it's a cooking, it's a
cooking aid, you know, whenwe're in the kitchen and you're
like, you know, hey, set a timerfor seven minutes.
Or the the the really nicething, like so on on Saturday
mornings, I get the coffee goingupstairs, you know, this this

(01:10:19):
for the coffee pour.
And then I set a brew timer andI and I put the timer uh from
it's I say it from the kitchen,but I put the timer on this
device right behind me.
You just say, hey, set a timerfor seven minutes, put on the
studio show.
And so then it comes down hereand the alarm comes off, it goes
off down here.
So some helpful, those are somehelpful pieces.

(01:10:42):
I just upgraded to the plus.
You know, I kind of held off.
Yeah.
I don't know why, but I kind ofheld off.
So we're still kind of figuringout some of those some of those
pieces.
I don't find it a particularlygood home automation assistant.
Home assistant, the theapplication home assistant is
much better at that.
But yeah, it has its place.

(01:11:02):
I mean, there's some thingsthat I can do.
If you're an Amazon Primesubscriber, you might as well.
Right.
Um you know, it's it's it's ithas its place, right?
It's one of those things thathas its place.
For some, I can see it, youknow, very, very handy.
If I had home automation forshades, you know, in your if
you're if you're if you're inyour home, if the shades were

(01:11:23):
home automated, you could say,hey, bring the shades down 50%
or the lights.
We use it a ton for lights,right?
You know, turn turn this on.
All the studio lights here,everything, almost everything is
on there.
Um my shed power is on there,so I can say, hey, turn on the
shed power, and it'll it'll turnthat on out there.
So yeah, there's it's it can behelpful.

It's great, Rich points out, until the internet
goes out.
Or nothing works.
Yeah, I got home last night andmy my the ATT was having a bad
day, and all of a sudden I waslike, I went and I'm watching
YouTube in the living room, butit's on like 480, like like the
the lowest like DPI possible.

(01:12:04):
And I'm like, what is going on?
And then I pulled it up and Icould see where it was like I
had a stream, but it wasn't muchof a signal, so I rebooted my
router and it came back on.
Speaking of fun toys and notyou know, hardware, you have a
new piece of hardware.

Yeah, a couple couple new pieces.
I think I talked about lastweek.
Uh I picked up the the iPodPro, no, Air AirPod.
AirPods, there we go.
AirPods Pro 3, uh, so thenewest version of this.
I bought them because I wanted,they're not that much different
than the two, but they do havesome enhanced translation
abilities, right?
So put them in your ears, turnon the live app on your phone,

(01:12:43):
the live translation app on yourphone, and Bob's your uncle,
you're off to doingtranslations.
The the bummer thing was, andlast week I realized you have to
have a phone with AppleIntelligence for that thing to
work.
And I've been nursing my iPhone12 along.
I've I like that, I loved thatphone, and it worked perfectly
for me.
And I was gonna hold on to thatthing till it's death.

(01:13:05):
Like I was gonna nurse thatthing along and and get another
six years out of it, probably,but I was gonna get uh nurse
that thing along.
Well, this encouraged me tomake the upgrade to 17, and I
went with just a regular 17, sotwo, two cameras, 256, not
orange, it's black.
You know, the new the pros arelike orange and gray, some weird

(01:13:28):
colors from that standpoint.
If you're certainly if you'rethinking about making an
upgrade, the 17 Pro is a nice,nice rig.
You'll pay 1300 bucks for it.
But yeah, they're they've thisis this is real money now.
When your phone is moreexpensive than your computer,
like my my phone was moreexpensive than the Mac Mini,
like you're like, oh man, it'sjust didn't used to be that way,

(01:13:50):
but it is it is now.
But this week, so what was coolabout this, Dave?
So put the earbuds in, and thenat work I use the Audio
Technica uh uh T T P oh what'sthe the one to TRS?
No, I've said this a thousandtimes, and for whatever reason,
it's the over-the-earheadphones.
I I have over-the-earheadphones that have the big

(01:14:13):
mic.
Yeah.
BPH1.
There we go.
BPH1 from Audio Technica.
So earbuds in, livetranslations on headphones over
the the earbuds.
And then I called two friends,one who speaks Portuguese in
Brazil and one who speaksSpanish out of Mexico City.
And I just surprised him andsaid, Hey, let's have a

(01:14:34):
conversation.
I don't want any English.
And they were like, You sure?
Like, yeah, let's do thisthing.
And Dave, that's kind of alife-changing experience from a
translation standpoint.
Like, still not, this is notStar Trek universal translator
stuff, right?
But go ahead.

Well, so the this is where one guy was in
Portugal, the other guy waswhere?

One one in Brazil speaking Portuguese, okay, and
then one in Mexico City speakingSpanish.

And they all can understand each other.

No, no, no.
We these were separate.
These were separate.

Oh, okay.
Oh, I see.
But nonetheless, you canunderstand them.

They're speaking to me in Portuguese or Spanish.
I'm replying in English, butthey both know English, right?
Obviously.
If they're they were callingme, they they knew some English.
They could have done it theother way on this.
Right.
One of the interesting thingsabout this, so it's not Star
Trek Universal Translator goodyet.
Like it's not like you'respeaking and then all of a
sudden it kicks in, right?

(01:15:34):
It translates on your phone.
So I put the phone up in aplace where I could see it and
watch the written translationsfirst.
And those are those are prettygood.
There's it's right now AppleIntelligence is supporting five
languages by the end of themonth.
So it mostly like Portuguese,Spanish, French, German, and
English.
And then at the end of themonth, I think we're gonna get
Mandarin, Chinese or Mandarin,Japanese, Korean, Thai,

(01:15:58):
something along those lines atthe end of the month here.
So some some pretty biglanguages.
And then what was interesting,you can download little hints to
your phone so your phone canprocess it a little bit little
bit faster.
The written translation'spretty good.
And and then it starts speakingit to you in your ears, which
is super cool.

(01:16:18):
Now, Apple's not the first todo this.
Okay, so you can if you're notan Apple fan, you can do this.
I think you can do this on thelatest Google ones or Bows or
whatever.
This they're not the first, butI'm just saying it was pretty
good.
The Dave, the interestingthing, and I was telling you
this in in pre-show, theinteresting thing is not that it

(01:16:38):
can do it, but it's interestinghow our brain shifts to
listening differently when we dothis.
So as they were talking, I wasreading um what they first
started saying.
So you would see thetranslation come across.
By the way, about 15 minutesinto the conversation, they
totally forgot we were doingthis and they just started
talking.
Like it was not, you know, itwas not, they weren't trying,

(01:17:01):
you know.
Sometimes you know, when you'reyou know you're being
translated, you slow down, youspeak more clearly, you write
those kinds of things.
They're just they were theykind of forgot, and we were just
talking.
But in a in my in in our mybrain, what would happen is I'd
read their sentence coming in,and generally we get the gist of

(01:17:22):
what they're saying in thefirst part of the sentence.
So I still I would startthinking about what I was gonna
say back.
When they ended, I could startsaying something, and the last
part of their sentence was beingplayed in my ears.
So I could hear kind of whatthey said in the last sentence,
and then I it it that odd,awkward translation problem that

(01:17:45):
sometimes we have where you'rethere's this silence, right?
It's like the the satellitecommunications, you know, the
old news guys that just standthere for a second waiting, you
know, the weather guys that areout in the storm.
Tell us how it is, Bob.

Coffee Jingle (01:17:57):
Yeah.

And then Bob's just staring at the camera, and
then he's like, Oh, hey, Nancy,you know, and it's like it's
just this long, awkward pause.
That kind of broke the awkwardpause to be able to have those
conversations in two twoconversations, about 45 minutes
long.
We had some interesting, Imean, it was not just you know,
the the canary is yellow.
No, I mean, these were likelong conversations about

(01:18:21):
significant things, them only inSpanish or in Portuguese and me
only in English, and it seemedto work out pretty well.
So, some really cool technologycoming.
I think this is gonna fit inthe podcasting space somewhere.
And I and I think like youknow, for most of us today, we
can only interview people in ourown language for the most part.
And imagine when this gets alittle bit better, the the

(01:18:45):
ability to, you know, you youcould be interviewing somebody
in Spanish.
And you know, imagine beingable to have a couple different
tracks.
Like, so you could have a trackwhere you're in English and
they're in Spanish.
Let's say it's a Spanishperson, you're in English,
they're in Spanish.
And for people who know bothlanguages, they could get that
track.
For people who want theSpanish, you're in Spanish and

(01:19:07):
they're in Spanish.
For people who are in English,you're in English and they're in
English.
Like, imagine how cool thatcould be.
Now, there's a little bit ofthis going on on YouTube, right?
There's a new, if you haven'tnoticed, there's a new language
option inside of YouTube.
So if you go to YouTube videos,most channels I think have been
enabled for it now.
Instead of subtitles, it's nowcalled languages.
You can click on that andthey're dubbing, and it used to

(01:19:29):
be 13.
I was looking at my accountthis morning.
It's like 20 some now, 20 somedubbed languages that are out
there.
I think we're getting superclose to this being very, very
functional across languages.
But how cool would that be?

Richard wants to know does it give you does it
give you text so you can replyin their language?

Yeah, wait, let's see.
I if I knew it, I could.
It does, it does in a tran inthe in the app, it does
translate what I'm saying backto them in their language.
So I think it's like amessaging app.
So I think they could go in andbe watching what you're saying,
and because this is the wholeidea, right?
The whole idea is they didn'tmake these for podcasting.
They didn't weren't thinkingabout podcasting.

(01:20:13):
They were thinking about you'reout in, you know, you're out,
you meet somebody IRL, andyou've got these things in, and
you can have this conversation,and you could both be looking at
the phone and it wouldtranslate you for them and them
for you, right?
But this is a kind of aninteresting hack on the
podcasting.

Well, then eventually it'll be in that
person's voice.
So it'll be going inequilibrios tiempos instead of
back in the day.
Yeah, no, right.
Very good, Dave Jackson.
That was nice.
Thank you.
Thank you, Google Translate.
Otherwise, I'd be like, I don'tknow how to say back in the day
in Spanish.

Well, and the dubbing things too on YouTube,
eventually they're saying willbe our voices.
Today there it's somebody, it'syou know, it's a it's a voice
actor, so to speak, right?
Well, but eventually they'lltake samples and it will be our
voices being dubbed.

Yeah.
Todd wants to know is Siri andApple Intelligence, is that two
different things?
Or he said, I'll ask Siri forstuff and thought it was
integrated.

Oh, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to thatquestion.
I know the app.
I know the app, when you gointo the settings, it says Siri
and Apple Intelligence.
So they're governed by the samething.
I I I think Siri is using someApple Intelligence stuff, you
know, not well.
Siri's not very good, to behonest.
But no, she's not.
This part of it is get is goodand getting better.

(01:21:33):
And then I think Jeff mentionedthat there's a firmware update
coming for older iPod pros.
It'll work if you have AppleIntelligence on your phone.
So 15 plus on your phones.
If you have an iPhone 15 plus,the 15s won't work.
It's got to be 15 plus ornewer.
So 15 plus, 16 series, 17series, the new 17 series just

(01:21:54):
came out a couple weeks ago.
Certainly not, if you're notdoing this, not a reason to
upgrade.
I wasn't going to, but I wantedto, I wanted to use this.
I'm gonna use the heck out ofit.
Yeah, but imagine being able togo to a conference in Spanish
and put them in and heareverything.

Where is Jeff said that he did that and he said he
was able where did it go?
But he said he basically didthat.
He said it wasn't perfect, buthe was able to kind of, yeah.
I just used the translationfeature for a Spanish-only
speaking gig I just did inOrlando, not perfect, but it
allowed me to follow alongdecently.
So for sure it does.

Yeah, and you could read or listen.
I would recommend you don't doboth because your brain is super
confusing to your brain to bereading and and listening at the
same time.
Although I think it's one ofthose things that the more you
do this, the better you'll getat it.
Like I'm interested incontinuing to try this out in
certain situations.

(01:22:49):
I mean, if I could have anysuperpower, it would be to speak
all languages.
I I don't need strength orspeed or whatever those things
are.
See-through walls.
I want a superpower of alllanguages.
That would be awesome.

Yeah, Uncle Marv says Apple Intelligence is
separate.
It's a separate background, butupgrades how Siri works.

Yeah, so Siri's taking advantage of it.

Yeah.
I know when they came out withthe latest phone or whatever,
they've been saying AppleIntelligence is coming, is
coming, is coming.
And I I've yet to install it onmy phone.
I kind of don't really care.
Like, I what do you have?

What's your phone?

A 16.
Yeah, okay.
And I'm like, I've not heardanybody going, oh, you have to
install this.

I would install it because I think it makes it
could make Siri a little bitbetter.
Uh, because Siri will use it,and you could download it.
And if you haven't, it mighthave already been downloaded, to
be honest.
You may have it not even it'sthere.
Check it, go in in the generalsettings, and there's a Sirius
of Sirian Apple Intelligence.
You can check it out and see ifit's there.
I'd have it just on an iPhone,just because I think it's gonna

(01:23:53):
make the iPhone for those kindsof things a little bit better.
So some interesting, and I'llbe excited to see the new
updates at the end of the month.
We also have I also havepartners in Korean and in
Japanese, and that's likeMandarin, that I'm excited to
try this with.
Those the the English to Asianlanguage transfers is hard.

(01:24:15):
That's uh, you know, German,which is you know, German and
English, were derived from thesame language.
So, you know, Dutch and Germanand English, all of those very,
very similar.
That's a little bit easier.
Uh French, French, a little bitdifferent, right, from that
perspective.
But when we get into the Asianlanguages, those are much harder

(01:24:36):
translation problems to solve.
So it'll be interesting to seehow well they do in that space.

Danny said he's still waiting for something that
can handle a Scottish brogue.
That's uh they haven't figuredthat out yet.

You know what?
Beer, beer handles that reallywell.
Just drink a whole bunch ofbeer and then just laugh a lot.
That's that's the way youhandle Scottish.
Yeah.

Randy Black says the full version of Apple
Intelligence is coming, butisn't really here yet.
They've delayed repeatedlytheir new voice assistant that
is fully AI powered.
Yeah.
So PowerPoint will translatethrough captioning.
Yep.
Let me do a presentation toMexican academics who didn't
speak English.
You already mentioned YouTubeis dubbing.

(01:25:19):
So pretty soon we'll just beable to talk to everybody about
everything, and that'll be uhthat'll be wild.
Be interesting to see.

Yeah, the days of the universal translator are
coming.
I mean, we saw that in the 60sand in Star Trek, right?
And you'd be like, oh, that'skind of cool.
And it's taken us a long timeto get there.
Yeah.
Last five years for translationshave been big.
Mike, the Microsoft translatoron your phone is pretty good.
You set it down, hit play.
It's got, you know, it's likethe old, it's like table tennis.
On one side is you and theother side is them, and it's

(01:25:48):
listening in both languages, andyou know, so you could put your
phone across.
Some of them assume, you know,you're gonna hold that phone up
and look at it.
The smart ones are like, hey,I'm gonna lay my phone down on
the table, and the person'sgonna sit across from me and
we're gonna have thisconversation and read it.
Some of them are playing backaudio too.
You can turn on the audio partof it and say, play the audio in
this language or whatever.

(01:26:09):
We had a Japanese foreignexchange student here, a high
school student a month ago, andwe almost exclusively use the
translator.
Like it was pretty amazing.
For podcasting, this could beuh it needs to be faster for
podcasters.
Like imagine if you and I weredoing this.
But and I don't actually Idon't know why we haven't seen a

(01:26:29):
podcast service do this yet.
Why we haven't seen StreamYardor uh Ecamm or OBS or whatever,
where they offer in-eartranslations on based on
channels.
So, you know, say I speakSpanish, why couldn't why can't
that be embedded in this whereyou're hearing me back in

(01:26:51):
English?
You could turn that on, and I'mhearing you in Spanish when I
turn when I enable that and turnit on.
I I think that's got to be thenext thing in podcasting.
I mean that opens so many doorsto so much today.
Listen, the not not to listen,today the podcast world is
dominated by English.
It just is.
Now I know there's some it'sgetting bigger in other areas

(01:27:13):
and you know in Spanish spaceand in in in Mandarin and and
you know, some of those kinds ofthings, but it's so dominated
by English.
Dave, imagine the world thatcould open to you if you could
have guests that didn't speakEnglish.

I mean, yeah, that would be cool.
Randy says, Is anyone headed toPod Indy?
I did not know Pod Indy wasgoing on this year.
That's weird.
I know Brad.
I would have helped promote.
Really weird.
Okay.
I'm not at this point.
It's a month away.

(01:27:47):
I got a month.
I might go.
Wow, that's really weird.
I've not heard a peep about PodIndy.
Um I never remember this one.
Boomcaster.
I know Danny uses Boomcasterfor live streaming.
Does live closed captioning,not sure if it's multilingual,
but the option is there.

(01:28:07):
So yeah, because I always I'venever tried Boomcaster, and I
know Danny uses it and loves it.
I tried Riverside this week atPodpage.
It kicked me out of the at atminute one and a half, and then
halfway through, the guy I wastalking to, whose video just got
really soft and then turned toZzz.
That was it.

(01:28:28):
So he jumped out, jumped backin, and we were able to finish.
He was on his built-in mic,which was a bummer, but to their
credit, I was able to go intotheir text editor and remove all
the stuff where it messed up,and then I was able to I had to

(01:28:49):
apply their what in Descript iscalled studio sound, so their AI
editing polishing tool, becauseit it made his when he was
using the built-in microphone,it made his stuff sound much
more presentable, but then Iwasn't using the AI stuff to
polish my sound because itsounded okay, but it made him

(01:29:12):
much louder than I was, and Iwent to export and say, hey,
level out the volume on thisstuff, and it said we can't
because you're using the youknow audio polishing on the
guest.
So I then had to go into mytrack and polish my audio, even
though it didn't need polishing,just to make it as loud as he
was.
So in the end, it worked, but Ihave used Riverside.

(01:29:36):
Now, also keep in mind theyjust rolled out new features.
That now you can say, like,remove the boring parts of this
show and it will do it for you.
And I was like, Oh, I alwayssay that.
As soon as they roll out newnew features, what is followed
is called bugs.
And that's what I had.
And so give them another twoweeks, they'll probably work out
the bugs.
And I also need to email themand say, hey, this was not.

(01:29:59):
handy to have people kicking meout and that whole nine yards.
So yeah.
So Yay Riverside, I love thetechnique it was like I say,
their technology helped clean itup, but it was not when yet it
and that was for PodPage.
So you know your your crappyyou know technology makes my
brand look not great.
And you know, luckily Brandonwas like, no, as long as we were

(01:30:21):
able to get through it.
But anyway, what is coming upon Home Gadget Geeks?

Yeah, you got a little you got a little preview
of it here just a second ago.
So we talked about the the theuh the AirPods we talked about
the 17 and I moved from T-Mobileto visible.
I never thought I'd go on oneof those you know visible as a
Verizon sub I don't know whatyou call them right say cricket
some of those other things.
So I made that switch from fromT-Mobile to visible which the

(01:30:49):
remember the old days ofswitching phones Dave when it
was like a whole day.
Oh yeah right not so muchanymore.
Anyways we'll talk about thatif you like that kind of stuff
homegadgetgeeks.com it'savailable for you right now.

I see I went over to podindie.com he's calling it
AI for content creators which iswhy Craig is there.
Craig does AI goes to collegeum yeah it's all AI.
So it's not really pod indiealthough it kind of is but uh if
Craig's gonna be talking allday I might go listen to that

(01:31:24):
because if I'm gonna listen tosomebody talk about AI it's
going to be Dr.
Craig van Sleyke.
Very cool.
On the school of podcastingit's question of the month time
I totally forgot that last weekwas the last week of the month
and totally forgot it.
But uh we were talking abouthow long did it take you to go
from idea to launched podcastand I have yet to even hear the

(01:31:46):
answers so uh I'll be doing thatlater on this afternoon.
And uh of course we're hereevery Saturday 1030 Eastern ask
the podcastcoach.com slash liveI if I get brave I might try
Riverside for this one week justto it's you know the live
streaming part was pretty easybut on the other hand if it
ain't broke uh don't fix it souh and I'll just do all my

(01:32:10):
things that are driving me crazyon the pod page side but who
knows but uh thanks as always tothe chat room to uh Mark over
at podcastbranding.co and basedon a true storypodcast dot com
we'll see you next week

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